Good luck getting disability benefits in Kansas

Kansas is the worst state in the nation for getting Social Security disability claims, the Lawrence Journal-World reported. Kansas has nearly 15,000 waiting for a decision about their disability claims, according to the American Association of People With Disabilities and Allsup Inc. In Wichita, the wait is nearly 17 months.
The Social Security Administration wants to try a pilot program in Kansas City that would close the Social Security offices to customers on Wednesdays so that staff could work on existing cases. But the idea doesn’t fly with Rep. Nancy Boyda, D-Topeka: “We are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to backlogs, and now you are going to tell the good people of Kansas that you are going to close offices one day a week.”
Posted by Phillip Brownlee

83 Comments

  1. Posted October 29, 2007 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    Closing the doors to get paperwork done is acceptable for the government schools. Why not other agencies?

  2. Kev
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Why not just hire more people? Run it like a doctor’s office- front office employees deal with people and back office employees deal with papers.

  3. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Boyda is RIGHT on this one:

    The people who process claims, at the customer service counters, are not exactly the same as the people who approve or deny claims, in the “back offices”.

    Will the number of people who become disabled in Kansas increase or decrease due to the business hours of the various offices?

  4. Mary Caruso
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    PLEASE, I have enough trouble trying to get hold of anyone in those offices on Mondays and Fridays…I stayed home from work this morning just so I can spend the better half of it trying to talk to a real human. Don’t make it even more inaccessable than it is now!Either hire more people or get a cattle prod and make the ones who work there already move a little faster and more efficiently.

  5. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Isnt this a federal agency?

    Then why is KANSAS performing so poorly?

    Where’s todd and pat and jerry and sam on this issue? I mean, since it is a FEDERAL issue.

  6. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Hey, I know, lets ask kansas/khan/republican/republikhan/JM/Eier, et al how to scam the system!!!!

    I sure wonder how he owns so many assets and has so much income and STILL qualifies for disability income?

    Is there no means testing for ANYONE?

    Or just more troll lies?

  7. time for change
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Boyda should address the problem instead of just complaining about it.

    Kansas pays individuals welfare benefits while they are waiting for their claims to be processed. So they do not do without during that time.

  8. You Ain't Seen Nothin Yet!
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Just wait till everyone has to WAIT on the Government run HillaryCare! process before you get medical treatment!

    Isn’t the guvment wunnerful!

    In August, Kansas topped the list as the worst state in the nation for backlogs of Social Security disability claims. According to data collected by the American Association of People with Disabilities and Allsup Inc., Kansas has nearly 15,000 people waiting for some kind of decision. The number is equal to 26.7 percent of the state’s beneficiaries.

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/oct/25/moore_boyda_question_benefits_social_security_plan/

  9. You Ain't Seen Nothin Yet!
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Kansas rocket scientist Democrat Nancy Boyda helps diagnose Social Security Snafu:

    U.S. Nancy Boyda, D-Kan., said the proposal to close offices to the public will do nothing to improve the backlog.

  10. Wahawk
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Too many lib loafers are bogging down the system.

    Record numbers of ‘diability’ fakers adds to the problem.

  11. ^^
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Ksfarmgrrl you must have been misinformed. Disabilty applicants don’t automatically qualify for SSI. That is means tested. Your only stipulation on SS disability is that you are unable to work in your primary field and unable to make a livable wage in any other. Assests have nothing to do with it. SS is something each worker pays into. It is like an insurance where you pay premiums and hope you never need it but if you do you are protected. If Kansas is on military disability he would be in the same boat.

    Just a little FYI.

  12. outlander
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    SSDI and SSI. There is a big difference between to two. Look it up.

    Certain folks should be embarrassed, because they didn’t even bother to look it up. But they won’t be. Because personal attacks are all they have.

  13. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    …and as for VA benefits, yes, there is obviously no means testing.

    I know a guy out here who is a multimillionaire…

    and he gets his $150 check from the VA everymonth.

    In fact, he moved back here from Arizona JUST so he could collect his welfare.

    American hero indeed.

  14. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Ok, I DID LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!

    heheheheh.

    Outlander, if that was NOT you, now would be the time to say so, since I’m fixin’ to make you AND jm look like the lying liars you are.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6524/is_n4_58/ai_18224652/pg_8

    “To be eligible for DI, a person has to satisfy the insured status and disability requirements. SSI eligibility requires meeting the means test and the disability requirement. Persons with qualifying disabilities who are disability insured but do not meet the means test are eligible for DI only, those who are disability insured and meet the SSI means test qualify for both programs (concurrent eligibility); and those who meet the SSI means test but are not disability insured are eligible for SSI only.”And as for the VA?

    Financial Assessment (Means Test)While many veterans qualify for cost-free health care services based on a compensable service-connected condition or other qualifying factor, most veterans are required to complete an annual financial assessment or Means test to determine if they qualify for cost-free services. Veterans whose gross household income and net worth exceed the established threshold as well as those who choose not to complete the financial assessment must agree to pay the required copays to become eligible for VA health care services.

    http://www.va.gov/healtheligibility/costs/

    YOU are busted kansas. And outie.

    Click the links if you don’t believe me.

    http://www.va.gov/healtheligibility/Library/pubs/VAIncomeThresholds/

    MEANS TESTING.

    It’s a wonderful thing.

  15. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    SSDI and SSI. There is a big difference between to two. Look it up.

    Certain folks should be embarrassed, because they didn’t even bother to look it up. But they won’t be. Because personal attacks are all they have.

    Posted by: outlander | October 29, 2007 at 10:35 AM

    So outie, I could say to you….

    “certain folks should be embarassed, because they didn’t even bother to look it up. But they won’t be.”

    Hypocrisy, thy name is…. LIAR!

  16. Tim
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    The system worked great for me. It took them less than a month to turn me down for benefits. It seems that there is some bullshit rule that you have to have so many work credits in the past ten years to qualify, even if your disability is the reason you were not able to work.
    I don’t know why they would be so far behind. All they have to do is screw over the other applicants and deny their claims.

  17. outlander
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    “To be eligible for DI, a person has to satisfy the insured status and disability requirements… Persons with qualifying disabilities who are disability insured but do not meet the means test are eligible for DI only….

    kfg, you just posted the correct answer. Thank you.

    There is no means test requirement to obtain SSDI. You can fail to meet the test and you still get it. Focus dear.

  18. CapnAmerica (boycotting, sort of)
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Right, Grafitti Troll “Just”.

    Because no one ever gets important life saving surgery denied by private health care.

    Thank God, we have big, for-profit corporations protecting our health instead of gov’t.

    We all know how caring multi-million dollar CEO’s and their corporate minions are when it comes to spending big bucks for life-saving medical procedures.

    Yeah . . . right . . .

  19. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    “Persons with qualifying disabilities who are disability insured but do not meet the means test are eligible for DI only, those who are disability insured and meet the SSI means test qualify for both programs (concurrent eligibility); and those who meet the SSI means test but are not disability insured are eligible for SSI only.”

    So… outie.. you were NOT being trolled?

    heheheheh. Being outie means you NEVER have to say you are wrong.

    Means testing. BOTH require it.

    And what are those “qualifying disabilities?”

    Look it up. Kansas doesnt meet it.

    But then, he’s a proven liar.

    And now so are you, outie.

  20. Herbert West III
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Kansas has manipulated and refused my proper checks for years. See http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=808 It explains all of this. Kansas is allowed steal and Extort Federal Money because the Local Feds get Bribes and Kickbacks. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com

  21. outlander
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    If you don’t qualify via a means test dear, and you still get it the benefits, it means that a means test is not required!!!

    And like so many others who have engaged you before me, who get tired of debating with a dishonest person (you), that is my last word on the subject.

  22. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Just follow the links and read the posts….

  23. ken
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Just want to clarify something,

    .. A military disability payment is different from a SS payment. It is first determined within the military health care system, then administered by either the VA or the Military retired pay system. It is not means tested from what I remember and can find on the net.

    For a long time retirees with service related disabilities were having their retired pay reduced by the amount of their disability check — they came from 2 different agencies — I think Congress changed that 2 – 3 years ago —–

    I agree with those of you who question his credibility / integrity —- the above is meant for some clarificatrion

    USAF (ret)

  24. CapnAmerica (boycotting, sort of)
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    A for-profit healthcare provider–

    Sir:

    Your flatulance three years before you signed up for insurance with CorporateGreed Protection, Inc. was a clear symptom of your appendicitis today.

    Since you fraudulantly hid that pre-existing condition, we can not approve your request for your elective surgery.

    And we are dropping you from our health care policy.

    Have a nice day,

    CorporateGreed Protection, Inc.

  25. CapnAmerica (boycotting, sort of)
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Ken–

    But JM-Kansas could have explained that himself if he was even aware of it.

    Most of us who have interacted with JM-Kansas long ago stopped believing that anything he posts is factually true.

  26. outlander
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    http://ezinearticles.com/?SSI-and-Social-Security-Disability:-How-They-are-Different-(Virginia-Lawyers-Perspective)&id=266932

  27. ken
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    so….. a person with a military disability may receive a disability payment from the VA, but not a SSI payment with out meeting a means test

  28. Heckler
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Someone pointed it out above, but it needs to be pounded in a little.

    Do you really want a bunch of government paper pushers like this running EVERYONES health care?

    Oh yes, you say, EVERYONE must suffer.

  29. ^^
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    “Persons with qualifying disabilities who are disability insured but do not meet the means test are eligible for DI only

    Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 29, 2007 at 11:25 AM

    Frmgrl you are either dyslexic or have multiple personalities. Stop arguing with yourself. You just showed us there is no means test for Social Security Disability. One of YOU is right.

  30. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Some FAQs with answers concerning Social Security Disability (the backlog of claims for which is what is discussed in the header).

    If one is disabled within the definition of the Social Security Act, and has the appropriate number of “covered quarters”, then one is eligible for SSDI. No means testing.

    If one cannot meet the requirements for SSDI, one may meet the requirements for SSI. This is a means tested program.

    Military disability payments, as has been posted upthread by Ken, at least, have different requirements, and are not means tested.

    http://www.nosscr.org/hallfaq.html#01

  31. awinters
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    We aren’t even on the topic posted anymore…

  32. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Are you guys calling this military guy a liar in his testemony before the senate this past August? DEPUTY COMMANDER Ron Fry?

    “The first step in determining a Veterans eligibility to receive health care
    through the VA is the completion of the VA Form 10-10EZ, ApplicationFor Health Benefits (Attachment 1). The VA collects financial information on
    the Veteran, the Veterans spouse and for some reason on the Veterans first child.
    The VA uses data on the Veterans income, property, and all assets and that of
    the Veterans spouse and first born. The information is then compared to theannually adjusted financial thresholds of the MEANS test to determine if the
    Veteran will have to pay for medical care as spelled out in the VA manualtitled Federal Benefits for Veterans and Dependents, 2007 Edition. TheMEANS test is a system applied by our government to force the Veteran
    to pay into the cost of his/her medical care. The Veteran has already earnedhis/her medical benefits through service to our Country.

    Snip

    The MEANS Test mustbe abolished! It is time our government made the people of the United Statesof America its number 1 priority instead of the putting so many other countriesfirst. We need to take care of America first.”

    But hey, don’t believe me, go to the link:

    http://veterans.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?pageid=16&release_id=11239&sub_release_id=11309&view=all

  33. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Yep, kfg, there is a means test for veterans’ health care; but what does that have to do with eligibility for receipt of the cash veteran’s disability payment?

    (Returning to the topic of the thread, as I understand the same):

    Why is there such a backlog of SSDI claims in Kansas? That’s the real question raised by the header. My questions are as follows: Are there more such claims being filed in this region than in other regions, given population density, etc.? Is the staffing in this region lower than in other regions, given the criteria (whatever they are) for such staffing? It would be helpful if there were answers to these questions made public.

  34. Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Ken was correct on VA disability payment, but I have also explained the same procedure myself, just no one cared to read it or comprehend it.

    They’ve changed the law somewhat on how it is dispensed though, if you were injured in a combat zone or under special circumstances in support of a combat mission. Haven’t applied yet, I need to as that portion would no longer come out of my retired pay, but straight from the VA.

    The SS Claims are probably higher now as there are lawyers that specialize in helping clients achieve those claims. I’ve seen the advertisements on TV.

  35. Capn Amen
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Good luck getting healthcare with Hillary care too!

    Just wait for the paperwork, get in line, wait your turn, MEANS TESTING, and cost share.

    We are from the government. We are here to help.

  36. Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    so….. a person with a military disability may receive a disability payment from the VA, but not a SSI payment with out meeting a means test

    Posted by: ken | October 29, 2007 at 11:37 AM

    In my case, the VA payment is taken out of my military retirement check and that portion that the VA would pay (if I didn’t have a retirement check) is tax free.

    So I don’t get anything extra from the VA, I just get a portion of my retirement, tax free.

  37. The Phantom
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I wonder which is the most abused percentage wise, disabled vets payments, or SS. I worked at the va, and heard one employee state there really wasn’t anything with her husband, who also worked there, but he had a 30% disability.

  38. Posted October 29, 2007 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how claims work today for VA, but when I was in, my medical records had to meet a board of reviewing active duty Military Physicians before it was approved.

    Then after the Active Duty Military Physicians approved it I had to apply to the VA and it goes through another board process.

    I have no clue how the SS process works. I’m not eligible for it anyway as my income makes me ineligible for it and honestly don’t need it.

  39. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Folks, here are the FACTS:

    http://www.ssa.gov/d&s1.htm

    SSI is means tested.

    SSDI is generally NOT means tested. It is considered an “insurance benefit”.

  40. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    As far as VA benefits go, and benefits to Veterans, in general, there are SEVERAL programs.

    Try not to generalize.

    Is the person on military retirement?

    Did the person serve during a “combat period”.

    There are programs that even millionaire vets can qualify to receive, there are other programs that are means tested.

    Also,
    IVAP, or Income for Veterans Administration Purposes, is a much different definition, under VA than it is for the IRS, Medicaid or any other government agency.

  41. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Paul.

    I believe I said in TWO posts above that I knew some VA programs were not means tested.

    And I posted links to other VA programs that were.

    And thanks for reinforcing the difference between SSI and SSDI.

  42. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    So, if you are getting SSI, there is DEFINATELY means testing to get those checks.

    Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 29, 2007 at 10:01 AM

  43. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    …and as for VA benefits, yes, there is obviously no means testing.

    Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | October 29, 2007 at 10:40 AM

    I guess I should have said CASH benefits.

  44. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Another Issue on VA benefits:

    Was the injury service related?

    Sorry, did not mean to leave that out.

    Also, there is something called a “VA Pension” that is means tested, but you can generally only qualify for this cash benefit if you are in a Nursing Home or Assisted Living.

    Spouses can qualify, as well.

  45. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    KFG

    De Nada

  46. Ben
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Wasn’t it Republican Fletcher Bell who collected a bundle when he hurt himself picking up his briefcase?

  47. gster
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Ben – Yes.

  48. Ben
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    But he was sure good at getting factory workers denied.

  49. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The workers’ comp settlement for former Insurance Commissioner Bell resulted in many changes to the statutes on comp; I don’t do comp work, but for the most part, I understand the changes were not generally favorable to the claimant.

  50. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    VTAgreed.”Hard cases make bad law” it is said.

    Unfortunately, the media jumped all over the Bell case without pointing out or admitting that his group insurance would require work comp to pay, for an on the job injury.

  51. parkay
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Babies diagnosed with Down syndrome don’t have to wait for disability claims. 90% are killed in abortion mills before their birth, because of baby-hating, eugenicist quacks who mercilessly prod the parents into filthy, unsafe abortion mills like that of George Tiller in Wichita, and Planned Parenthood in Overland Park.The parents then have to live with the regret, remorse, and depression caused by the contract killing for the rest of their lives, and often the resulting substance abuse and other psychological problems.Guess how they feel every time they hear how the parents of other Down syndrome children treasure their offspring.

  52. brian
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    “he ancient Greek colony of Cyrene at one time had an economy based almost entirely on the production and export of silphium, a powerful abortifacient in the parsley family. Silphium figured so prominently in the wealth of Cyrene that the plant appeared on the obverse and reverse of coins minted there…..As the Catholic Church gained control of European society, women who dispensed abortifacient herbs found themselves classified as witches and were often persecuted (see witch-hunt).”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortificant

  53. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Parkay, WHAT brand of paper towel do you use to wipe the spittle from your screen?

    Must be Bounty to absorb THAT much drool…

  54. Posted October 29, 2007 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m curious – who asked WEBLOG editors to delete the troll’s spew from earlier this morning, and all of the associated posts?

  55. Wiseman
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    I know three people who are now on SSDI.Two is legally blind and only had to wait three months.The other had a multiple of problems of arthritis; spinal injuries resulting in lost of mobility and had to wait those 17 months.The difference is the determination of disabilities, where one is out-right evidences and the other is more hidden.Maybe the reason that we are backlogged so badly in Kansas is the process is bottle necking because of lack of qualifying personnel.If you are comparing the performances of different states on the disabilities process, the most likely reason of backlog is poor management of SSA in this state; after all, why are the other states managing so well?

  56. Kev
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    “”"Hey, I know, lets ask kansas/khan/republican/republikhan/JM/Eier, et al how to scam the system!!!!

    I sure wonder how he owns so many assets and has so much income and STILL qualifies for disability income?”"”

    Disability is not related to anything other than being totally unable to work. Your assets and income do not matter as far as I know. They did not even ask my mother about that when she got it.

  57. Kev
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    “”"The system worked great for me. It took them less than a month to turn me down for benefits. It seems that there is some bullshit rule that you have to have so many work credits in the past ten years to qualify, even if your disability is the reason you were not able to work.”"”

    You must have 40 quarters of work credit to qualify for ANY benefit from social security. And 40 quarters is 10 years. You cannot draw a cent from them until you have the work credit even if you are 100 and disabled. The reason that they put this requirement into place was because immigrants- mainly Chinese and Russian from the old USSR were bringing their elderly relatives over here and putting them on Social Security and into government elderly housing without them so much as earning a dime in wages over here.

  58. Kev
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    “”"Just wait till everyone has to WAIT on the Government run HillaryCare! process before you get medical treatment!”"”

    I would rather wait a bit on non critical care than not get any care at all which is where we are headed under the system we have now. Employers more and more are not covering employees or families and the cost of private insurance is way beyond most peoples ability to pay for it. If you make $30K a year and have health premiums of $400 a month or more, you will be doing without food and clothing to pay them. And even then there is no certainty that your insurance will pay the bill should you or a family member fall ill. Often they refuse to pay and there is nothing you can do about it except go off and die. So I am for “HillaryCare” or whatever they call it. If she is elected, this should be one of her highest priorities.

  59. Kev
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Actually I would favour closing all government office one day a week more so they could have later hours on the other 4 days a week. Let’s say they are closed Sat, Sun and Mon but they are open until 7PM on Tues-Fri. Then I would not have a take time off work to go to the driver’s license office, tag office, tax office or whatever I need to do there. The employees might like the 4 day weeks too.

  60. Econ101
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Kev

    Do you not imagine that EVERYONE will try to do the same thing?

    I would guess that the lines from 5 to 7 would be pretty long.

    Try going online for your tags, it works great.

  61. Pat Herron
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    “than not get any care at all which is where we are headed under the system we have now.”

    Gotta source for the above, or are you just guessing.

    “Employers more and more are not covering employees or families and the cost of private insurance is way beyond most peoples ability to pay for it.”

    Where does this one come from? There are 253,000,000 Americans do have healthcare. Maybe, maybe 47 million (including illegals and those who decline it) do not.

    Many of us have great healthcare!

    You do not throw out an entire system, because less than 15 percent to DO have coverage.

    Instead, you examine WHY those few do not, and work to resolve that issue.

    You don’t make all 300 million Americans change to a social system of providing care.

    That would only make sense in a fantasy world. Like the Fairness Doctrine.

  62. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    253,000,000 Americans do have healthcare.

    Link please?

  63. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    The disability system needs a serious overhaul. They are refusing and not serving entirely too many people. These are folks who hurt themselves or wore out there body or ruined their health making money for some greedy employer. Get the taxes up and take care of these good folks!

  64. Pat Herron
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Get your taxes up JR. You are very quick to give up other peoples money. The disability system does need a check up. Need to get the druggies, alcoholics, and other deadbeats off the program. More camera’s filming the recipients carrying couches would work for me.

    What is the population of the USA JR? Now subtract the democrats pride and joy 47 million from that.

  65. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Need to get the druggies, alcoholics, and other deadbeats off the program

    Talking point. Baseless, tired cliche.

    That is unless you have a link?

  66. Mary Caruso
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I have good health insurance and I’m STILL trying to get them to pay a claim for an trip to the ER last Thanksgiving! We need Nationalized Health Care to cut out the bulls**t games that insurance companies play to keep from paying claims and increasing their bottom line.Everyone needs have equal access to healthcare, with a Nationalized program there won’t be anymore “I work for my benefits while you lay around expecting others to care for you” attitude. Wow, that would level the field a little now wouldn’t it? I wonder what the conservatives would resort to then in order to feel superior to everyone else?Funny how the most of those against government subsidized health care for the rest of us utilize either their Medicare or their VA benefits for their own health care.

  67. Pedant
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, if there are 47 million Americans without healthcare (I suspect the number is low), then there MIGHT be 47 million Americans who think their healthcare is stellar.

    And of that 47 million, how many have actually used it?

    Like Mary points out, just about every American I know with “great healthcare!” can afford that opinion because they don’t use the damn thing. Anybody who’s been unlucky enough to have used healthcare recently knows it’s sick, bad sick.

    The vast majority of Americans knows that US healthcare needs reform. The political party that manages to drive laws covering everybody with insurance against personal bankruptcy (due to healthcare spending) that’s portable and affordable will be the political party that becomes known for kicking the US economy in the *ss so hard the homeless are eatin’ off china.

    When enacted, those 2 changes in American healthcare — universal coverage that doesn’t depend on whether or not you’re employed — will cause the US economy to rocket upward, and rocket upward for more Americans.

  68. Posted October 29, 2007 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    There are 47 million with out health care insurance, it doesn’t mean they are all Americans.

    Approximately 20 million of them are illegal aliens.

    Several million of them are “yuppie” types who make adequate income to afford insurance but choose to buy “toys” instead.

    Look at the census records, do your homework before you make false statements Pedant.

    Unless you want to be another Michael Moore apostle, then by all means let him control your leash.

  69. ????????????
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    And who is holding your leash Kansas???

  70. outlander
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    “We need Nationalized Health Care to cut out the bulls**t games that insurance companies play to keep from paying claims and increasing their bottom line.”

    So Mary, are you sure you want the same folks in charge of the Social security disability fiasco (see thread) in charge of health care? Dictating what care you can and can’t have and who you have to go to? Not me.

    We need reform but it is best accomplished through the private sector with government incentives.

  71. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Outlander

    Why would you deny myself and my son basic health care?

  72. Pat Herron
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Why would you deny myself and my son basic health care?

    Posted by: J R |

    You reap what you sew JR. And if you don’t have a job, or don’t get a job with healthcare YOU will be without.

    The only limiting factor here is you.

    Join 253 million of us. We have healthcare.

  73. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Reap what ya sew?

    14 years serviceI at a company that destroyed my family and my health and then cut me loose when I wasn’t convenient anymore.

    My health destroyed,no employer with health care would touch me. That’s cool, I don’t need them either. I work for me.

    But there’s the rub aint it? Individual health insurance is sky high precisely because of HMOs and thier corporate clients.

    The only limiting factor is me?

    I’ve no problem with that. Get the corps and the franchises and the whole F’d up system outta my way. I still won’t forget about my fellow American.

    That’s the difference between a former conservative turned lib like me and a drooling Rushbot like you Pat. You care only about yourself.

    That and following me around.

  74. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Well you can follow me another day.

    A good friend of my family died just a few hours ago. Real sweet lady. Good union member and a devout Christian.

    I visited her in hospital just last Tuesday.

    Well with the insurance controlled medicine we have, they sent her home Friday.

    Saturday night, she collapsed. Family tried to administer CPR.

    A few hours ago, they removed this good lady from life support. A friend to my father and my family is dead.

    And THIS for a woman who DID have insurance.

    If they had kept her til they found what was wrong, she might be alive tonight.

    We have to fix health care in this country.

  75. Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    14 years serviceI at a company that destroyed my family and my health and then cut me loose when I wasn’t convenient anymore.

    My health destroyed,no employer with health care would touch me. That’s cool, I don’t need them either. I work for me.

    But there’s the rub aint it? Individual health insurance is sky high precisely because of HMOs and thier corporate clients.

    The only limiting factor is me?

    I’ve no problem with that. Get the corps and the franchises and the whole F’d up system outta my way. I still won’t forget about my fellow American.

    That’s the difference between a former conservative turned lib like me and a drooling Rushbot like you Pat. You care only about yourself.

    That and following me around.

    Posted by: J R | October 29, 2007 at 10:26 PM

    Poor health and you do landscaping and lawn care? One has to be in very good health to do that?

    What happen J R? Did you try to defraud the company by making a false claim, then got fired?

    Sorry to hear about your family friend.

  76. J R
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    I’ll share my story if you share yours Jason.

    Mine won’t change like yours does.

    And spare me your sympathy. You care nothing about anyone but yourself.

  77. Wiseman
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    “If you are comparing the performances of different states on the disabilities process, the most likely reason of backlog is poor management of SSA in this state; after all, why are the other states managing so well?”

    So can anyone explain why we are “RATED” the lowest to all the other states?Why is it that they are doing better then we are?Is it really the number of claimants or is it the way it is being manage?

  78. Econ101
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Pedant

    The US economy is AHEAD of every country that has socialized medicine.

  79. Econ101
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    JR

    YOU HAVE HEALTH CARE

    Health care and health insurance are NOT the same thing.

    The purpose of ALL insurance is to prevent bankruptcy or poverty of the loss of wealth.

    It is not the purpose of health insurance to “provide” health care, it is only there to help with the bills.

  80. Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    The US economy is AHEAD of every country that has socialized medicine.

    Posted by: Econ101 | October 30, 2007 at 06:13 PM

    INCORRECT!

    The US economy looks good because of the vast riches of the top .01 percent.

    The bottom 99.9 percent–the vast majority–are worse off than in Europe.

  81. Econ101
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    By the way:

    This thread began with a PROBLEM in a government program!

    Only a die-hard liberal could say that MORE government programs are the solution to this problem.

    Even if the government took over every aspect of health care:

    YOU would still have bills to pay.

    YOU will still die.

    YOU will still have family members die.

    YOU will still have some of your claims denied!

  82. Econ101
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Capn

    You just pulled that last post out of your ass.

    The unemployment rate, in every country is Europe is much higher than in the United States and has been for a very long time.

  83. Econ101
    Posted October 30, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t agree 100%, but this is a good background on European unemployment:

    http://www.nber.org/reporter/summer04/blanchard.html