Presidential candidates and pop culture references go together like, well, Al Gore and the macarena, Walter Mondale and “Where’s the beef?” and Fred Thompson and “Law & Order.” Still, it was surprising to see that Hillary Clinton, in a New Hampshire speech in which she invoked half a dozen past presidents, said this about the Bush administration’s way with science: “To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, that great philosopher, this administration doesn’t make decisions based on facts, it makes facts based on decisions.”
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Oh gee Rhonda!
Another thread bashing the administration…
How original. Please do keep up the good work on providing us psoters no where near a balance on ideas.
“psosters” Nathan?
Are you drunk? Well you’ve a right to be. Your dad and all.
Yes it is true. Bush/Cheney simply invent’facts’ for the religious right republicans.
Leave it to Nathan to turn this light-hearted topic into name calling fest. Darn you to heck!
Colbert may be a ‘fake pundit’ but he sure is right on the money!
Wooooooohooooooooo! It’s about time Stephen Colbert got some kudos!
Yes, Stephen and Jon are often so on the money, it’s ridiculous. That’s why so many get the satire.
If you’ve read “The Republican War on Science” you’ll know exactly what Colbert was talking about.
kelly, you might be interested to know that the author of “The Republican War on Science” will speak tonight at 7 pm in Hays. Chris Mooney will give a public presentation on his latest book, “Storm World: Hurricanes, Politics, and the Battle Over Global Warming” at the FHSU Robbins Alumni Center. Free and open to the public!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC6L0WFo1Go
Among other things the video talks about is the fortelling of the Iraq build up and how information is gathered. IN the video it talks about the idea of “Just because there is no proof does not mean it not true!”.
As long as we are looking at “facts” — quite a few Democrats got the facts wrong concerning Rush Limbaugh, and his “phoney soldiers” FACTUAL comment — and the public is laughing at them for it.
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rush-letter-for-charity
Limbaugh will give the proceeds of from the sale of this ignorant, uninformed, NONFACTUAL letter to a military charity which he has been involved with for many, many years.
“kelly, you might be interested to know that the author of “The Republican War on Science” will speak tonight at 7 pm in Hays.”
Well, knowing Hays and their incredible intellectual curiosity and openmindedness…
Who wants to bet a few university people and Bob Hooper will be the only ones to show up? They’ve got their own war on science going over there concerning water, ethanol and wind!
econ, the phoney soldiers comment seriously has already been proven exactly what he meant…he was talking about soldiers who don’t support the war. Unless you believe he actually changed topic right in the middle of a caller slamming another soldier because he didn’t support the war. But I’d expect you right wingers to lap it up and defend Rush. You neocons may be laughing that fake laugh, but the public still knows the score.
The attacks on Rush were merely a distraction from the Democrats’ attack on General “Betrayus”.
The Dem’s will never live that down, and not one of them has apolgized, not even Hillary or Barrack.
Isn’t General Petraeus a big boy? Can he not defend himself?
I agree that Moveon.org did a disservice to the General. But why is what Moveon.org said any more disrespectful than George W. Bush stating that he does not even think about Bin Laden anymore?
Bush supporters will defend Bush to this day about that remark and even going so far as to say the man never said it. I heard Bush on live television so don’t try to sweep this one under the rug.
So both sides have made stupid statements that do nothing more than keep the partisan bickering going on forever.
And why should Hillary and Barack Obama apologize for what Moveon.org does?
The Dem’s will never live that down, and not one of them has apolgized, not even Hillary or Barrack.
Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Whaaaat?!?!? Live what down? General “Betrayus” is nothing more than a political tool of the Bush administration. And his own soldiers were using the “Betryaus” monicker long before MoveOn got hold of it.
Apoligize? Never!
Will Bush and his supporters ever apologize for saying Democrats want the terrorists to win?
No? Then you can take what you dish out, whiners!
pmomNo, you are wrong, Limbaugh was talking about truly fake soldiers who have made false accusations against the military.
Econ,by ‘fake soldiers’ do you mean a civilian who goes to Halloween city, gets a GI Joe costume, then goes on the record claiming to be a military enlistee?
Hehe, Stephen will surely come up with some riffs on this one!
Yeah, he was talking about that kid…but long after his phony soldier statement about the anti-war soldier.
Political Mom,
You are little more than a liar.
Rush Limbaugh was not calling all soldiers who disagree with the war phony.
Roo-ster,
Are you blind? JR was the one who started the name calling here.
When are you on the left going to start policing you own?
Why don’t you just leave JR?
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Sure we can go back to the Betrayus article…like when Rush called Senator Hagel Sentator Betrayus too. Gee you wonder why nobody cares anymore?
I’m a liar Nathan. You’re a liar.
It’s so flipping obvious what he was talking about, I swear you’d refuse to believe your girlfriend was pregnant, even after she delivered.
Defend, Deflect, DENY…no matter what.
And his own soldiers were using the “Betryaus” monicker long before MoveOn got hold of it.Posted by: XXX | October 15, 2007 at 11:45 AM
That’s not surprising as military tend to give their leaders nicknames.
Regardless though XXX, how about a source for your claim.
It must be so hard to be you Nathan. You redefine ‘pro-life’ to deny that being a soldier and killing others isn’t part of it. You nod your head with the president no matter how obvious it is that he’s wrong. You blindly follow the bible how you choose to interpret it. I think if Jesus Christ himself appeared before you and told you you were wrong, you’d probably shoot him.
Political Mom,
It is obvious he was talking about one particular individual not everyone who disagrees.
That was the spin the left added.
You are so brainwashed into simply believing whatever George Soros tells you to believe that you would probably follow him off a cliff like the lemming you are.
Political Mom,
I am not the one redefining Pro-Life anymore than you redefine Pro-Choice.
One does not refer to one other individual in the plural.
“The PHONY soldiers”
Emphasis on phony and clearly in reference to more than one person.
When I refer to you I don’t say “the Nathans”
You are being silly with this Nathan. He said what he said and then altered the transcript. Then he left poor folks like you to twist in the wind defending him.
JR,
He was talking about people like that person.
That was why it was plural.
No one is twisting but you.
The proof here is that he altered the transcript.
No foul no edit. KNOWN foul go edit.
What proof is that JR?
Oh and by the way I heard it live.
Heh heh, If I had been online then I would have broke it here about 13 seconds after he said it.
JR,
I don’t care if you were in the studio and watched him say it.
You are still doing little more than spouting the media matters spin.
Hey I didn’t make Rush Limbaugh compare a wounded American serviceman to a suicide bomber there Nathan. He did that himself.
That’s what happens to people very full of themselves like Rush. They get careless.
He’ll outdo this last any day now.
What serviceman was that JR?
Quit being so vague and show me this proof you have to back up your claim about Rush Limbaugh.
If you can.
At home in Nevada, Sen. Reid’s favorable rating is below President Bush’s”Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s appeal among Nevadans has plunged dramatically in a new Review-Journal poll, which finds him viewed unfavorably by most likely voters in his home state,” the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports this morning. “Reid is still slightly more well-liked than Gov. Jim Gibbons. Both the Democratic senator and the Republican governor are less favorably viewed than President Bush.”
According to the newspaper, in Reid’s home state:
• Gibbons’ “favorable” rating stands at 30%.• Reid’s is 32%.• Bush’s is 34%.
“The attacks on Rush were merely a distraction from the Democrats’ attack on General “Betrayus”.
The Dem’s will never live that down, and not one of them has apolgized, not even Hillary or Barrack.
Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Max I think Reids approval ratings say it all. His state has seen him for what he is and they don’t like it.
Wonder if he will be writing any more letters anytime soon?
It wouldn’t matter to you anyway Nathan. Rush Limbaugh could eat a live kitten on the air and you’d be ok with it.*
* A quick search turns up no hits on “Rush Limbaugh does not eat live kittens on the air.”
JR,
You can’t do it? LOL
Whats wrong, media matters didn’t have the information for you?
The simple truth is that Rush Limbaugh has been a big supporter of the military.
He goes overseas to be with the men and women of the military.
He donates money to charities which help the military.
He has always had the highest praise for those serving.
He said one comment in reference to a proven phony soldier and media matters and the rest of their little lemmings try to turn it into something it was not.
It didn’t work. But like everything else the left and their little lemmings do, they keep repeating the lie.
Nathan the people didn’t buy it. Reids latest numbers prove that. Let the left wallow in this untruth as long as they like. Many more gaffs like this one and Chas will have to start watching for those falling elephants.
More and more troops and veterans of Iraq believe George Bush’s military policy has been a disaster…I am one of them,” McGough says in the ad, facing the camera with stern words for the radio commentator. “Rush Limbaugh called vets like me “phony soldiers” for telling the truth about Iraq.
“Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real,” he continues. “My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a “phony solider” to my face, stop telling lies about my service.”
Rush has 3 hours every day.
Why has he not had this veteran on his program? You know, to clear things up?
JR,
When did he call that man a phony soldier?
That did nothing to help back up your lies.
Perhaps Rush should have him on so that he can clear up the matter. That is not too mcuh to ask from a grievously wounded vet is it?
Huh, I guess it is. Since he hasn’t.
And he won’t.
If you did listen to the Rush Limbaugh show you would know that he has spent a great deal of time clearing up the lies that media matters and the lemmings have been spreading.
I know Rush doesn’t ususally do guests but you’d think he could make an exception for this wounded veteran.
Oh well.
JR,
Are you getting anywhere near a point or proof for that matter?
I gave you the wounded veteran’s words Nathan.
He would like to discuss the matter with Rush. Maybe Rush would rather avoid that. It sure looks that way.
JR,
Still no proof for what you claim huh?
Rush don’t like no Phony Pundits!
Isnt Ann Coulter the one who said the soldiers were just too stupid to work in the private sector?
Ann and Rush can kiss my fat ass. If I listened to Lamebutt I’d have to double up on my antacid. Just hearing his voice is like dragging fingernails across a chalkboard.
Rush is a “provocatatour” he said things not meant to be wisdom or informative but to cause contrary.I read both the transcripts, in fact all three there was one came out that was even more “cleaned up” then the one posted after the show dressed up it up.
Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly all shoot their mouths off and step over the line at time so far they just do not have a rope to grab to pull it back. Still waiting for Coulter to bring her ass back from the whole Christian and Jews thing? Limbaugh may or may not have meant what exactly he said, he did say in and it is not beyond his act to have meant it either way.
Writerdog,
You have no proof that Rush Limbaugh meant what the media matters lemmings acuse him of, but you are fine with insinuating that he did it anyway.
Nice.
It is common fact that Christians believe that you must accept Christ to be saved.
Why this seems to be news because Ann Coulter said it, I don’t know.
So does Ann accept Christ as her savior?
Yes.
That’s really funny.
I guess I can slam people, say the meanest things I can think of, and be a total asshole..all I have to do is just accept Christ as my savior and I’ll go straight to heaven when I die…who knew getting into heaven was so easy?
WWJB? New York Times building, or someone else?
WWJB? = Who would Jesus Bomb?
Well, the “Harry Reid and the Democrats” big hit: “Smear Letter” is now up to $50,100 on ebay. I predict this item will go for well into six figures.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4105QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I like the Catholics. At least they have purgatory and indulgences.
There seems to be an abundance of diposable income out there.
That’s good to know!
Can’t wait for a Democratic President and congress to get into it!!!
Purgatory is way overrated. It’s like a waiting room without TV. (I used to be Catholic, so I’m allowed to joke about it) I think?
You used to be able to buy indulgences. That really perturbed Martin Luther.
JR, I’m sure God will give your input the consideration it’s worth.
I got more than a few ideas for him/her/it outlander.
Did you even stop to see where the money was going JR?
Of course, you somehow think that you know what is best for everyone elses money.
Why is that?
I take it back.
I should have just asked you:
Why do you think the Democrats should take money from people?
Oh oh that’s the best…get the factions of Christians to start infighting. You think fireworks shoot when Atheists and Christians go at it, get a Catholic and a Lutheran….or a Baptists and…well any others.
Politcal Mom,
Some of my best friends have been from different denominations including Catholics.
“To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, that great philosopher, this administration doesn’t make decisions based on facts, it makes facts based on decisions.”Like the Eagle blog saying abortion rates are the same in countries where it is legal and countries where it is illegal. A stud by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, an arm of planned parenthood. Pot calling the kettle black?
If Ann is Representative of Christians; the Devil must love her!
Mary, I one better you can be Ted Bundy or Dennis Rader, or a Nazi Mass Murderer or a Mob Hitman and as long as you repent in prison all is forgiven your victims not so lucky(esp the Nazi ones). In fact Raders already saved he converted before he went to prison
Rev Jim,
As detestable as someones actions may be, nothing is beyond the forgiveness of Christ.
If you TRUELY repent of your sins and ask God for forgiveness he gives it to you.
No one deserves God’s forgivenss. Not you, not I, nor Ted Bundy.
Nathan, like you and Parkay? I’m sure you two would make great friends.
Did you have something constructive to add Political Mom?
ksfarmgrrl, yesterday: “Who wants to bet a few university people and Bob Hooper will be the only ones to show up?” [to hear Chris Mooney in Hays Monday evening]
Hope you didn’t bet your farm on that one . . . 197 folks turned out in Hays to learn about hurricanes, climate change and the role of science in policy-making.
Too bad you missed it!
Is anyone who willfully causes pain to others ever truly sorry for their sins? Are they even capable of being sorry? Do you really think Ann Coulter is sorry for the hurt she has caused others with her sick mind and acid tongue?I try not to judge others too much..but if Ann Coulter, Fred Phelps, Richard Roberts, and Dennis Rader stand a chance to be in heaven..then I’ll go the opposite direction, thank you.
Romans 3:10-18
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
“THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,”
“THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”; “WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;
“THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”
“THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”
Romans 3:22-24
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Mary,
By whose standard do you judge yourself to be more deserving of Gods grace?
Are you perfect? Shall we judge you by the things you have done wrong in your life as well?
Mary,
Are you the son who questions why your brother would be welcomed with open arms?
The Prodigal Son
Luke 15:11-32
11And He said, “A man had two sons.
12″The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me ‘ So he divided his wealth between them.
13″And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
14″Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
15″So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16″And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.
17″But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger!
18′I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight;
19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”‘
20″So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.
21″And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22″But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;
23and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate;
24for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
25″Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing.
26″And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be.
27″And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.’
28″But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him.
29″But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends;
30but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’
31″And he said to him, ‘Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours.
32′But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.’”
give it a rest marine-boy…………you do not impress me.
I dont hang little girls from water pipes so i can jerk off on her. Or fill the need to heckle and harass grieving family members, yet both those men claim to be Christian, and led or lead churches. I consider myself infinitely superior to such scumbags.
Tom,
The issue is not about thinking you are better than someone.
The issue is about thinking you deserve God’s grace more than they do.
Fake Pundit! My Ass!http://tv.yahoo.com/show/38498/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20071017:colbert_president__ER:45863
“Mary,
By whose standard do you judge yourself to be more deserving of Gods grace?
Are you perfect? Shall we judge you by the things you have done wrong in your life as well?”
Nathan, I don’t believe I deserve “God’s grace” any more than anyone else…and I judge myself by my own standards.
I’m not a perfect person..how boring if I was…but I don’t intentionally hurt people or put myself above them the way your Christian friends like Ann Coulter do. Like Fred Phelps, to watch her talk it’s amazing how you can just see the hatred in her eyes. The way I was raised, hatred and Christianity didn’t exactly go hand in hand. Humility and compassion were the real Christian values, not the arrogant and judgemental attitude so many of you embrace today.