Al Gore winning this year’s Nobel Peace Prize shows how much the world community is concerned about global warming — in sharp contrast to our own government. Gore’s citation lauds him as "probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted."
Rather than just being an environmental issue, the Nobel committee also considers global warming a threat to peace, because it "may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the Earth’s resources." It said that there were already "climate wars" occurring in the Sahel belt of Africa.
Gore shares the prize with the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which the committee praised for creating "an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming."
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HitlerMussolini
both nominees!
Then we have Yasser Arafat, he also won!
The Nobel Prize is a political con job by a country with no seat on the UN Security Council. This is how they try to make a difference for their liberal causes!
http://www.newsmax.com/lowell_ponte/gore_nobel/2007/10/10/39694.html?s=al&promo_code=3B49-1
“But recent decades have seen several dubious and joint prizes given to celebrate the illusion, not the reality, of peace.
In 1973 Henry Kissinger and Communist North Vietnam negotiator Le Duc Tho were given the Nobel Prize for the Vietnam peace accord that opened the way soon thereafter for the extermination of non-Communist South Vietnam.
In 1994 Israeli negotiators Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin were chosen to share the Peace Prize with terrorist Palestinian Authority boss Yasser Arafat. But Palestinian terrorism continues, and there has been no lasting peace.
The Peace Prize was becoming a debased, politicized currency. In 1990 it went to Soviet leader Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev but it was not awarded jointly to his partner in peacemaking former President Ronald Reagan.
In 1992 it went to Guatemalan Marxist activist Rigoberta Menchu, despite controversy over falsehoods in her self-serving autobiography.
In 1993 South African leader Frederik Willem de Klerk shared the prize with Communist Nelson Mandela, convicted by a racist Apartheid court of killing cops. The post-Apartheid government Mandela helped create now winks at rape gangs in city streets and has begun to imitate Zimbabwe’s Marxist dictator Robert Mugabe by breaking its past promises and confiscating white-owned property.
In 2002 the Nobel Prize was awarded to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, ostensibly “for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts.” In reality, as the socialist head of the Nobel committee said, Carter won as a way Europeans could “kick the shins” of Republican President George W. Bush for U.S. policies in Afghanistan and the Middle East.
Carter helped topple U.S. ally the Shah of Iran, which begat the Iran-Iraq War and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which launched al-Qaida and led to 9/11. Arrogant Peace Prize winner Carter has the blood of almost a million people, including nearly 7,000 Americans, on his hands.”
WELL DONE AL GORE!
Oh let the cons whine.
Maybe they can find some hero who won the “junior chamber of commerce” award.
A Nobel laureate for President?
Think on it Mr Vice President.
Please?
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Econo101. The Nobel Peace Prize does not ever go to those who constantly think about war and how to get the control of oil away from another country.
Gorbachev but it was not awarded jointly to his partner in peacemaking former President Ronald Reagan.
AGain, sour grapes?
And I thought Reagan took ALL the credit for taking down that wall.
Well done Al. Econ – want some cheese with that?
But what about my invention of the internet? And streamlining government with the internet?
RUN AL! RUN!
An equally important addendum to this is that Rush Limbaugh did not win.
Yes folks that’s right. Rush was nominated. Of course he was nominated by a stark raving idiot.
But he didn’t win.
It gives me hope. Maybe Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailles can’t buy everything like they have talk radio.
Sounds like the jealous neo-CONS are pouting again because President Gore achieved something chimp boy in chief will never get. Sure Hitler, Mussolini were nominated, so was George Bush and Reagan so what’s your point? It’s not a big accomplishment to get nominated. Paul is up to his usual moronic BS again. So Norway doesn’t sit on the security council, why should that even matter? Paul, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
If Reagan didn’t get the Nobel Peace prize for bringing down the Soviet Union, and the leader of the evil empire giving in gets it, the award has little credibility. Liberals and communists only.
But congrats to Gore for getting it. At least an American lib won.
It was travesty that Kissinger won. . but it was the right reasons. They just ignored everything Kissinger did BEFORE then.. .
Congrats, Al. Maybe we can save homo sapiens yet.
“But what about my invention of the internet?”
Never claimed! That is just another BushBot lie!
It is correct for the editors to
dedicate a thread in this matter.
In the interest of fairness, they should try and find a Republican who has accomplished anything positive and give them a thread.
Of course, such a person might be hard to find.
Nevermind
Although Gore shared it with the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Come on.Talk about cheapening the award.
Just points out is just a political statement by the Nobel committee, nothing more.
It’s a shame that whiners like Econ just can’t offer kudos to Nobel prize winner Al Gore. If that had been bobble head GWB he would be all over this page with nothing but praises for his honor(less)! Once again, the award does not go to a war monger who has done nothing to help the world! The defining word is WORLD. G-dub want to eliminate terror from the world. That is of his choosing! Not every country, even those who are our allies agree with that assesment! Gore’s battle is to elimnate globle warming that will be a benifit to the world. It’s not some political adventure! Surely Econ can see this! Uh, Maybe NOT!!!
This is interesting:
http://www.kansas.com/473/story/198636.html
What a joke.
The bigger joke is those of you who cant bring yourselves to admit what a joke it is.
Yasser Arafat ;>
Ben, meet JR.
JR, meet Ben.
JR insists that Gore brought us the internet.
Ben insists that Gore’s claim is a “lie” in that Gore never made such a claim.
Both libs.
Both don’t agree with each other.
Refreshing to see such “diversity” I say!
Kind of like the Dem Congress right now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12memo.html?ei=5065&en=1c7066d2e0c64e4e&ex=1192766400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
Gorbachev?Arrafat?
Al Gore is, at least, among his comrads!
“Ben insists that Gore’s claim is a “lie”"
That, Paul, is a LIE by you. Show me where I said that Gore’s “claim” was a lie. You are a liar Paul.
And while you are at it show me where JR said “JR insists that Gore brought us the internet.”
Typical Neo-CON lies from Paul.
Has the george administration been heard from yet? Have they congratulated this great American?
I mean it’s the least they could do. Seeing as how they live in his house and all.
Wingnuts to Everybody Else: things don’t count unless WE like them.
What the Wingnuts really hate is that the Nobel Committee’s award merely confirms what Wingnuts secretly know in their hearts: that nobody with any sense cares what they think.
Hence, they discredit or try to destroy anything they can’t control. For a textbook example, look at outlander’s post above.
That must be the reason Paul loves war so much, he never wants to win a Nobel prize. Don’t worry Paul, you’ll never win a Nobel in any category unless they have an award for dishonesty and pathetic whining.
All I have ever said is that Gore was a leader in the initiative that made the internet accessible to the public there Econ. And that is the truth.
Ben
When anyone says “Al Gore invented the internet” in a joking manor, you tell us that Gore never said that.
Blogging does not lend itself to precise histories of every occurance of this fact, without boring the hell out of everyone who doesnt care.
However, You and JR are NOT on the same page, when it comes to Gore and the internet.
That was my point.
I certainly was not trying to put words in your mouth.
Anyone with the time can surely go up thread and see what prompted my ammusement.
Paul, you are never on the same page with reality. I’m impressed that you still post here despite the fact that you have absolutely no credibility.
Aw ya can’t stop Paul anymore than you can stop a drunken teenager scrawling on a wall in a rest stop toilet.
Lend him no more credence than that though.
Limbaugh is thinking about demanding a recount.LOL
Doug
You have to do better than “Liar Liar Pants on Fire.”
Limbaugh is “just happy he was nominated.”
Of course he was nominated by a complete lunatic whose name I won’t even mention.
I give Gore credit for the vision of seeing which way the world was heading concerning the internet.
I will give him that.
However, thousands of social scientists and investment folks, outside of techie fields, saw it comming, as well.
That takes nothing away from Gore, it just puts his vision in perspective.
Econ–
Shut up.
Thank you,
Thinking people everywhere
“However, You and JR are NOT on the same page, when it comes to Gore and the internet.”
How do you know that? Gore WAS involved in funding the old ARPANet I used ‘way back when’; its development was, in many ways, precursor to the net.
I like to joke that I almost saved the world when I crashed the system three times one night.
By the way, the BS ‘invented the internet’ thing has been Snoped in the past and shown to be a deliberate lie by the BushBots.
The contrast couldn’t be starker:
On the one hand, you have a man who tirelessly crusades for what he believes in, nothing less than saving life as we know it on planet earth.
On the other hand, you have a man who has failed miserably at everything he’s ever tried, who was on a month-long vacation when terrorists struck, who flew over New Orleans after a major hurricane and didn’t even bother to land, who invaded and occupied a country that posed no threat to the United States.
The first is Nobel prize winner Al Gore, President-in-Exile.
The second is miserable failure George W. Bush, Worst-President-Ever.
Econ101,
I see your acknowledgement of Al Gore’s role in the development of the internet, and I raise you: here’s a fuller account, including Gore’s legislative offerings, both proposed and passed, and the comments of some of the principal architects of the internet. Notice also the stuff about the Greenhouse effect–back in 1986. Sorry for the long post, but it IS Al Gore’s day, after all.
“But Gore’s interest and support for U.S. high-speed networking begins much earlier than 1989. As early as 1986, Gore called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking:
Mr. President, it gives me great pleasure to support the proposed National Science Foundation Authorization Act.
MR. PRESIDENT, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION AUTHORIZATION ACT.
WITHIN THIS BILL I HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS, THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY AND THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT REPORT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED WITH SENATOR GORTON AS S. 2594. IT CALLS FOR A 2-YEAR STUDY OF THE CRITICAL PROBLEMS AND CURRENT AND FUTURE OPTIONS REGARDING COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS FOR RESEARCH COMPUTERS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO CONGRESS ON THE ACTIONS TAKEN TO ESTABLISH AN INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT.
BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS SEEK NEW INFORMATION ON CRITICAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT IS DESIGNED TO ANSWER CRITICAL QUESTIONS ON THE NEEDS OF COMPUTER TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE FUTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPUTERS IN TERMS OF QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF DATA TRANSMISSION, DATA SECURITY, AND SOFTWEAR [sic] COMPATIBILITY? WHAT EQUIPMENT MUST BE DEVELOPED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGH TRANSMISSION RATES OFFERED BY FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS?
BOTH SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE SPECIAL NEEDS OF SUPERCOMPUTERS AND SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SMALLER RESEARCH COMPUTERS WILL BE EVALUATED. THE EMPHASIS IS ON RESEARCH COMPUTERS, BUT THE USERS OF ALL COMPUTERS WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS STUDY. TODAY, WE CAN BANK BY COMPUTER, SHOP BY COMPUTER, AND SEND LETTERS BY COMPUTER. ONLY A FEW COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS USE THESE SERVICES, BUT THE NUMBER IS GROWING AND EXISTING CAPABILITIES ARE LIMITED.
IN ORDER TO COPE WITH THE EXPLOSION OF COMPUTER USE IN THE COUNTRY, WE MUST LOOK TO NEW WAYS TO ADVANCE THE STATE-OF-THE-ART IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS — NEW WAYS TO INCREASE THE SPEED AND QUALITY OF THE DATA TRANSMISSION. WITHOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THE TELECOMMUNICATION NETWORKS FACE DATA BOTTLENECKS LIKE THOSE WE FACE EVERY DAY ON OUR CROWDED HIGHWAYS.
THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS ALREADY AWARE OF THE NEED TO EVALUATE AND ADOPT NEW TECHNOLOGIES. ONE PROMISING TECHNOLOGY IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS FOR VOICE AND DATA TRANSMISSION. EVENTUALLY WE WILL SEE A SYSTEM OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS BEING INSTALLED NATIONWIDE.
AMERICA’S HIGHWAYS TRANSPORT PEOPLE AND MATERIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FEDERAL FREEWAYS CONNECT WITH STATE HIGHWAYS WHICH CONNECT IN TURN WITH COUNTY ROADS AND CITY STREETS. TO TRANSPORT DATA AND IDEAS, WE WILL NEED A TELECOMMUNICATIONS HIGHWAY CONNECTING USERS COAST TO COAST, STATE TO STATE, CITY TO CITY. THE STUDY REQUIRED IN THIS AMENDMENT WILL IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND OPPORTUNITIES THE NATION WILL FACE IN ESTABLISHING THAT HIGHWAY.[Upper case shown, indicating a contemporaneous insertion into the Congressional Record at the time of corresponding floor debate.]
That Gore wrote about a national “data highway” as far back as 1986 is extremely significant. It is important to make clear the context of the state of computing at that time. The IBM PC was only four years old. The Apple II computer was still in widespread use. The number of hosts on the Internet numbered, as counted by Mark Lottor’s Internet Domain Survey, was 5,089. Entire universities (such as Michigan State University) made their initial connection to the Internet in 1986. In order for Gore to make this kind of speech in 1986, he had to have been conversant with the thinking of computer scientists and Internet pioneers. Such pioneers included such as Vint Cerf, Steven Wolf, and Larry Smarr – then director of the National Center for Supercomputer Applications at the University of Illinois (NCSA), where Mosaic would be born some seven years later…
No less an authority than Vint Cerf, inventor of the Internet Protocol, has gone on record confirming Gore’s role in U.S. Internet development. On June 14, 2000, Time Magazine hosted a live Internet forum with Cerf. The (anonymous) moderator joined his journalistic wisecrackers by invoking Gore’s Internet inventor “claim.” Cerf abstained from the frivolity:
Timehost: Welcome to the TIME auditorium. We’re thrilled to have as our guest Vinton Cerf, one of the inventors of the Internet. Mr. Cerf has just written an article for TIME magazine, in which he says that the Internet will be everywhere. Even, literally, in our bodies! So send in your questions about the past, present and future of the Internet. Who better to answer those questions than the man who invented the Internet? (Sorry, Al Gore)
Timehost: Mr. Cerf is now with us. Welcome!
Vinton Cerf: Good evening, or whatever time zone you are in, hi!! While we’re waiting for questions, I’d like to clear up one little item – about the Vice President … He really does deserve some credit for his early recognition of the importance of the Internet and the technology that makes it work. He was certainly among the first if not the first in Congress to realize how powerful the information revolution would be and both as Senator and Vice President he has been enormously helpful in supporting legislation and programs to help further develop the Internet – for example the Next Generation Internet program. I get to see a lot of this stuff because I am a member of the President’s Information Technology Advisory Committee and we regularly review the R&D programs of the US Government and many have relevance to the evolving Internet.
On September 28, 2000, Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf released a statement to key Internet mailing lists stating their unequivocal belief that Gore played an important role during his congressional years in supporting the Internet:
I am taking the liberty of sending to you both a brief summary of Al Gore’s Internet involvement, prepared by Bob Kahn and me. As you know, there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice president for his assertion that he “took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.
Al Gore and the Internet
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.
No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.
Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: “During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” We don’t think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he “invented” the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore’s initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective…
The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.”
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
Look for Bush to go to the SCOTUS for a decision to have the Nobel taken away from Gore and awarded to Bush.
There’s got to be a hanging chad in there somewhere/
XXX finally we will see justice after they stole that other election. Yeah
CF2K
The INTERNET was FINANCED by capitalists.
Those who put their own money on the line deserve at least as much praise as those who simply enabled the legislation or the government programs and government money.
NO, not every scientist, researcher, scientific modeler and engineer is in agreement! There are growing voices of those who have found major statistical problems in the traditional models, and also have seen some major discrepancies in the data. Even the courts have started to rule against Mr. Gore and his film.
Al Gore’s film has errors?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101102134.html?wpisrc=newsletter
Scientific Fraud, even for Global Warming Scientists
I have worked with a lot of scientists for quite some time, including GW scientists. So people think that all Scientists (global warming included) are pure, untainted, and never have any hidden problems, issues, or agendas?
Misinterpretations of biological data:http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20040712/03/
Plagiarism in the Scientific World:http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040922/02
Scientific Misbehavior Is Common / Scientific Fraud cases:http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/28863.html
Problems with biological modelshttp://www.the-scientist.com/article/home/53306/
Other articles on bad ethics and practices among Scientists:http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/pdfplus/10.1525/jer.2006.1.1.43
Removing scientific Peer Reviews?http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/50084.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20051017/01/
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20050304/01/
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20050617/01/
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20051213/01
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/22927/
http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/22990/
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/15409/
http://www.the-scientist.com/2006/2/1/24/1/
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/daily/23520/
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/daily/23624/
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/daily/23568/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060110/ap_on_sc/skorea_stem_cell_16
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/15409/
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/23061/
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/23073/
OooooooI aint the one to do it, but I think ol’ Paulie Econ lobbed a real grapefruit up there with his last. Somebody undress him with it.
JR–
Yeah, it’s a lie.
But if we in the “reality based community” refuted every lie that Joe Williams, Econ, KSGrm, outlander, Kansas, Heckler, Hank and Nathan write on this WEBlog, we’d run out of hours in the day.
Suffice it to say that Hank believes that the earth is only 8,000 years old.
There’s no reasoning with that.
Go Gore… yea right!
Well JR what I think he said was that while Al is the one responsible for that line item tax (he introduced the legislation) we all (or most of us) have on our phone bills, the real heros are those risk takers who actually put something on the line to make the internet accessible to many.
Not that I need to help Econ out but knowing how you hate to see the more powerful walk (Al) on the back of the little people (the investors) thought I would help out.
Catherine,
How dare you interupt their Al Gore worship!
While you are all gloating over Gore’s sharing nobel prize, let’s not gloss over:
Al Gores relationship with Jorge Cabrera, the convicted drug smuggler whose contribution to and perks from the Democratic Party were criminal.
Here is their nice picture together Drug smuggler/woman slave trader and Gore:
http://216.177.7.126/RANCHO/POLITICS/CAB/document-10.23.1996.5.html
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/04/04/cabrera/
NoJoCo–
The jokes that fall flat. The irrelevancies that don’t matter. The attempted cleverness that shows nothing but dopiness.
We’ve missed you, man . . .
When is Al Gore’s acceptance speech? Anyone know?
Nic-switching trolls–
Walk on by, folks.
Walk on by . . .
“The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.”
He doesn’t deserve squat related to the internet. Talking about it and inventing it are two separate things. He can make no claim on inventing anything. Except, well maybe, the 11 fabrications in his movie.
WACKED.
Al Gore is now on the same page as these other ‘winners’:
2002 – Jimmy Carter2001 – Kofi Annan1994 – Yasser Arafat1990 – Mikhail Gorbachev1973 – Henry Kissinger
Al Gores relationship with Jorge Cabrera, the convicted drug smuggler whose contribution to and perks from the Democratic Party were criminal.
Here is their nice picture together Drug smuggler/woman slave trader and Gore:Posted by: Florida voter
That’s right and I remember that! The White House tried to cover it up (like bushy?).
But you missed the photo of the entire crime family and the hillbillies together:
http://dumphillary.com/chung.html
AW, the crime clan standing in front of a Christmas tree, no less!
How sweet!
“Talking about it and inventing it are two separate things. He can make no claim on inventing anything.”
HE NEVER CALIMED TO HAVE INVENTED IT. YOU KNOW THAT!
HitlerMussolini
both nominees
Really Econ, what year was that? or are you just pissed that no fascists have ever won, must stuck to always be on the losing side
“The INTERNET was FINANCED by capitalists.”
NOT THE BEGINNINGS PAUL! THE ARPANET WAS DoD.
Also,
2005 – Mohamed El Baradei who said that Iraq could not make nuclear weapons even though Bush said they were
1998 – Hume and Trimble, brought peace to N. Ireland
1997 – Jody Williams, banning and clearing land mines
1991 – Aung San Suu Kyi, nonviolent resistance against fascism in Myanmar (Burma)
1986 – Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and documentor
1984 – Rev. Desmond Tutu, anti-apartheid
1974 – Mother Theresa
1964 – Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
1962 – Dr. Linus Pauling, anti-nuclear weapons testing
1952 – Albert Schweitzer
1906 – Theodore Roosevelt
I haven’t read thru all of the posts upthread, but I think there is some concensus that can be had on these matters.
I hold these suspicions to be self-evident:
1) the Nobel is a politicized prize;
AND
2) Gore has done laudable work in getting the message out about global warming and its dangers.
Brought to you by the ‘Rodney King Moment’ Foundation. Thank you.
I think the political motivations in awarding the Nobel to Gore is to stick a stick in the right eye of GW Bush. If you can be honest for a moment, you have to admit Bush has asked for it repeatedly on this subject. Today, Bush got what he’d been asking for.
Steve Davis
An honest liberal.
(At least on your most recent post.)
;)
Steven Davis,
Admirable. But CF2K doesn’t feel compelled to concede anything about the ‘politicization’ of the Nobel to the worthless Repubican pricks who are smarting from having to watch Gore receive it.
Given that Repukes have tried to politicized and privatized EVERYTHING within their grasp–including the military and the Justice Department, to name two things–it’s disingenuous crybabyness on their part to snivel that the Nobel is tainted in some way.
Wingnuts, read my post upthread: nobody cares what you think. And the world thinks you’re assholes.
Econ101,
Ben just gave you a factual bitch-slapping. How’s that feel?
Bitch.
I don’t think Bush was holding his breath on Gore getting the prize.
It went to an American which Bush should acknowledge. I hope we all aren’t ultimately embarrassed by the mistakes/failures in the movie which distort the truth.Not to mention Gore’s seedy background with known criminals.
On a more judicious note, here’s Josh Marshall’s commentary on Gore’s victory, which seems highly appropos.
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10.12.07 — 10:05AM // link
On GoreFirst, before any other yapping and commentary, a big congratulations to Al Gore.
There are several layers of irony and poetic justice wrapped into this honor. The first is that the greatest step for world peace would simply have been for Gore not to have had the presidency stolen from him in November 2000. By every just measure, Gore won the presidency in 2000 only to have George W. Bush steal it from him with the critical assistance of the US Supreme Court. It’s worth taking a few moments today to consider where the country and world would be without that original sin of this corrupt presidency.
And yet this is a fitting bookend, with Gore receiving this accolade while the sitting president grows daily an object of greater disapproval, disapprobation and collective shame. And let’s not discount another benefit: watching the rump of the American right detail the liberal bias of the Nobel Committee and at this point I guess the entire world. Fox News vs. the world.
And not to forget what this award is about even more than Gore. If half of what we think we know about global warming is true, people will look back fifty years from now on the claims that “War on Terror” was the defining challenge of this century and see it as a very sick, sad joke — which rather sums up the Bush presidency.
But more than thinking only of what might have been, where can we go from here?
–Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Teddy Roosevelt won the Nobel Peace prize? Boy have times changed. Although the consumate domestic preservationist that earns him due praise, he certainly did not hide from any opportunity to expand American influence and control around the globe. That attitude today by an American would be an sure ix-nay on the nomination.
Psssst! who is Josh Marshall?
Never heard of him.
Thought the Swiss at CERN created the internet?
Wingnuts, read my post upthread: nobody cares what you think. And the world thinks you’re assholes.
Posted by: CF2K | October 12, 2007 at 12:39 PM
CFUK speaks for the World, while JR saves it.
Dynamic Duo they are!
Ben just gave you a factual bitch-slapping. How’s that feel?
Bitch.
Posted by: CF2K | October 12, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Now we know JR is not on top.
The prize was awarded for “How to put your country further into debt without really accomplishing anything when it comes to climate change.”
How’s that working for the European countries that bought into the carbon trading scams?
Have their CO2 levels gone down? Has it slowed Global Warming?
Have some people gotten rich buying carbon credits in other countries, then polluting their own country?
“Gore won the presidency in 2000 only to have George W. Bush steal it from him with the critical assistance of the US Supreme Court.”
Yeah, if only he had won his home state. Maybe the people in Tennessee knew exactly what the GORACLE stood for? That is, deceptive speech, practices and a glorified vacuum cleaner salesman.
JimmyLOLGood one.
Well, gee, folks, maybe we should have a thread on who really invented the internet.
Ya know, it was only about thirty years or so ago. It’s not like we have to decipher the Rosetta stone to figure this out.
Here’s the first sentence of the Wiki article on “Internet, Creation of”:
The ARPANET, developed by DARPA [Defense Research] of the United States Department of Defense, was the world’s first operational packet switching network, and the predecessor of the global Internet.
The initial ARPANET consisted of four IMPs. They were installed at:
UCLA, where Leonard Kleinrock had established a Network Measurement Center (with an SDS Sigma 7 being the first computer attached to it).
The Stanford Research Institute’s Augmentation Research Center, where Douglas Engelbart had created the ground-breaking NLS system, a very important early hypertext system (with the SDS 940 that ran NLS, named ‘Genie’, being the first host attached).
The Wilmington University New Castle, DE (with the Culler-Fried Interactive Mathematics Centre’s IBM 360/75, running OS/MVT being the machine attached).
The University of Utah’s Graphics Department, where Ivan Sutherland had moved (for a DEC PDP-10 running TENEX).
The first ARPANET link was established on January 14, 1969, between the IMP at UCLA and the IMP at SRI. By December 5, 1969, the entire 4-node network was connected [2].
Eventually, in July 1975, the network was turned over to the Defense Communications Agency, also part of the Department of Defense.
In 1983, the U.S. military portion of the ARPANet was broken off as a separate network, the MILNET. Prior to this there were 113 nodes on the ARPANet. After the split, that number was 68 nodes with the remainder moving to MILNET.
With so many different network methods, something was needed to unify them. Robert E. Kahn of DARPA and ARPANET recruited Vint Cerf of Stanford University to work with him on the problem. By 1973, they had soon worked out a fundamental reformulation, where the differences between network protocols were hidden by using a common internetwork protocol, and instead of the network being responsible for reliability, as in the ARPANET, the hosts became responsible.
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Vinton Cerf and others who developed the early internet wrote a letter in support of Gore’s claims that he provided critical funding for the internet’s early years.
Gore’s correct assertion that he supported and funded internet research and development is what the reich-wing exaggerated into “I invented the internet.”
Taking a candidate’s strength–in this case, Gore’s vision–and turning it into a liability with distortion and lies is the only thing the CONs are good at.
jimmy don <—-kansas
And, CF, I dont think I was the one being slapped by Ben, in particular.
But, let Ben speak for himself, as soon as he is available again.
(See upthread)
I wonder how many of us here ever dealt with the old ARPANet back in the 70s?
An old joke from ARPA days:
The connected all the big super computers at UCLA, Stanford, MIT, harvard, etc etc etc. Then they typed in the question:
“Is there a God?”
The computers all whirred; the lights in all the cities dimmed as the computers drew power to ponder the question. Then it printed out the answer:
“Now there is!”
jimmy don <—-kansas
Posted by: popup! | October 12, 2007 at 01:01 PM
popup! must get very tired of being wrong all the time.
Questions for both sides.
1. Specifiaclly how was the presidency stolen from Gore? Actual proof not conjecture
2. When specifically did Gore say he invented the internet? The actual statement please.
from wikipedia – on the GORACLE
“In 1999, various media outlets suggested that Gore claimed that he “invented the internet”[86][87] in reference to a CNN interview in which he said,
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”[88]
Thanks for posting that, Kansas.
It proves exactly what we’ve been saying, exactly what Vinton Cerf said in his letter that CF2K cited upthread:
“I took the initiative in creating the internet” is exactly accurate. He secured funding and was its most vocal supporter for the longest time in government.
He did not mean that he INVENTED the internet, and of course he never said that.
CON = LIAR.
Capn
It was a clumsy way to say it, if that is what he meant.
Bush is held accountable for his poor speaking skills.
Gore gets the same treatment and you folks go nuts.
I am stunned that Americans just don’t feel real good about another countryman getting an award from such a credible source, adding to the host of other Nobel prizes winners in various disciplines over the years. Do folks also get upset over literature, science etc., etc. awards? Just wondering
Hawkeye–
Florida law states that a legal vote is one in which the “intent of the voter” can be discerned.
According to an independent consortium of news agencies who examined the votes, many thousands of “overvotes” went to Gore. Overvotes are when a person votes for a candidate and then writes in the candidate’s name in the blank that says confusingly “write in candidate.”
These votes were not counted by electronic machines which considered them “spoiled.” However, they were legal votes under Florida law.
By stopping the recount, The Supreme Court made sure that those over-votes were never counted. If they had been counted, as they should have been, Gore would have won by many thousands of votes and all the other “hanging chad” crap would not have even mattered.
“Given that Repukes have tried to politicized and privatized EVERYTHING within their grasp–including the military and the Justice Department, to name two things–it’s disingenuous crybabyness on their part to snivel that the Nobel is tainted in some way.”
Agreed. I don’t directly speak to this issue, but I think this administration particularly, more than any I have ever seen, create partisan problems and then want to complain about the consequences. Sort of like the proverbial boy who kills both of his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan – AKA chutzpa.
I think I got at what you are talking about here:
“I think the political motivations in awarding the Nobel to Gore is to stick a stick in the right eye of GW Bush. If you can be honest for a moment, you have to admit Bush has asked for it repeatedly on this subject. Today, Bush got what he’d been asking for.”
The awarding of the prize was a condemnation of the Bush administration by a world body. Don’t expect that to have much effect on this administration, because they hold world bodies in contempt. >Insert snarling Cheney photo here<
“Bush is held accountable for his poor speaking skills.”
I thought the real problem is that Bush isn’t accountable to anyone for anything!
Econ–
You’re kidding me, right. Bush is NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the idiotic things that come out of his mouth.
When he said that Saddam Hussein was “six months away from an atomic bomb,” that was a blatant lie that the liberal media didn’t even comment on . . .
Actually no Capn -
What it shows that the GORACLE wanted to take credit for the Internet by stating he took some sort of initiative by supplying funds for research.
I used to moderate for COMPUSERVE back in the 1980s. Can I claim I am one of the early pioneers of the Internet or am I like the GORACLE in that I was piggy backing on the work of others.
The GORACLE showed up and took credit for something he really had nothing to do with other than voting on legislation.
The GORACLE wouldn’t know a TCP/IP protocol if it slapped him in the face.
I’m stunned that ALL Americans just don’t feel good abot a countryman winning such a credible award as the Nobel, adding to the impressive list of American winners in various disclipines over the years. Do folk get upset when the winner claims the literature, economics or scence award? Just wondering.
Northern neighbor–
The right-wing of this country have a false patriotism: only people like them are American.
Anyone on the other side of the political aisle are quislings to be hated and destroyed.
The most damning part of the SCOTUS decision in December, 2000 was the 5 to 4 majoritu explicitly stating their decision should not be considered a precedent.
Why not? Because they knew it was bogus and politically-motivated and against all aspects of their supposed “conservative” opinions regarding the soverignty of the states and the constitution right of states to operate presidential elections within their borders.
Although the conservative-dominated mainstream corporate media portrayed Gore and the Democrats as weak in accepting the SCOTUS ruling, I think it was an admirable act of patriotism. The SCOTUS ruled and even though their ruling was not one the 5 to 4 majority wanted to be held to as a precedent-setting decision, Gore and the Democrats accepted it. It’s like when an umpire makes the wrong call in a baseball game; you live with it. St. Louis Cardinal fans will gripe about Don Deckinger’s call in the ‘85 World Series, but the Royals have the trophy.
The Republic Party got its trophy candidate in George WMD Bush in 2000. And look how that trophy has tarnished. The Republic Party’s prospects in the future should be as dismal as the Royals’ has been.
Here was my point and my take
1. Gore may have said it clumsily as Bush does often but his intent was not “I am the sole inventor”, but rather I helped push the idea.
2. The election could not have been stolen as The Supreme Court issued the ruling and it is the law of the land. Also both sides availed themselves to the judicial process and it played out.
My point is these types of arguements are useless and frankly quiet a bit of posturing and a little bit of make believe from both sides.
You guys have a good day
Yup, Hawkeye–
Dred Scott and Plessy v Ferguson were the “law of the land” for a long time too.
Gore work is all speculative. It’s all about the ecology above humans. The Noble Peace Prize was suppose to be awarded to those who advance the human condition.
Gore said that the polar ice caps will be completely gone in 23 years, unless we do something (like what?)
But it isn’t going to melt away and in 20 years, Gore and the Goreites will take credit. The scam of the century.
Oh well!
Again! Ralph Nader is the superior environmentalist than Gore.
Well, lookee here.
Kansas knows more about what Gore did to help the formation of the internet than two of its most important founders:
Al Gore and the Internet
By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.
No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.
*****
Thanks for showing that you’re an idiotic slave to the right-wing cause once again, Kansas.
Okay, “Joe Williams,” you’ve written a lot of utterly ignorant things in this forum, but when you wrote:
“It’s all about the ecology above humans,” you outdid yourself.
Heh, yeah, MH.
Joe Williams is scroll over number one with me these days.
You wonder how someone can get so many things so wrong . . .
Why attack me and prove than I’m wrong. You leftist never do.
I made a point by point case why Ralph Nader is the better environmentalist than Gore.
You know this is just political. Gore, who is worth more than $90 million dollars won’t spend a single dime of his own money for Global Warming. He wants everybody else to do it.
Tell me were I am wrong?
The Nobel Prize is meaningless.
When they gave one to Arafat, I knew the entire process was a scam.
Arafat was one of the most war-mongering, lying cheater that ever walk the face of the earth.
The Nobel Prize these days is about political correctness, not on what is right.
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Hawkeye, your veiled attempt to prop up the GORACLE is seen through. Your assignment of GORE being “clumsy” is not only inaccurate it betrays what the GORACLE actually said. The GORACLE has such a large ego, he wants to take credit for things he had no hand in.
“The prize was awarded for How to put your country further into debt without really accomplishing anything when it comes to climate change.”
No that prize goes to George “Nine Trillion and Counting” Bush.
CapnAmerica! I often skip over you all the time, but you put my name is.
You’re an idiot and an anti-Semite. I have no respect for people who hate others.
The right loves to play semantical games…
Things like “clear skies initiative” “right to work laws”"no child left behind”etc etc.
What Gore said as to his role with the internet is entirely correct.
THink of it in this sense.
An obstetrician delivers babies right? He has a nurse or two help him.
Well, by the senanitics the right applies to Gore. That isn’t the case. The mother may or may not successfully deliver the baby on her own.
But the obstetrician sure helps!
Gore’s stated goal is to keep the earth’s climate habitable for humans. How is that putting ecology above people???
the radical environmentalists believe that HUMANS are the pollution.
At least, those of us who cant afford to fly around in private jets, like Gore.
“Joe Williams,” your post:
“It’s all about the ecology above humans,” is so ignorant on so many levels it’s so off the chart of right and wrong to be irrelevant.
To approach proving how you’re wrong, it’s necessary to correct your first phrase: “It’s all about the ecology…,” which frankly makes no sense whatsoever. Perhaps you would have transcended ignorance and moved closer to wrong if you’d written something like, “It’s all about the *environment.*” Because “ecology” is the study of of the environment. But even then, you’d be wrong, because your second phrase, “…above humans,” ignores that humans are part of the environment. And I do men, “ignores.” Which makes you ignorant.
You’ve contributed so much of your ignorance to this forum, it defies critique. You’re so consistently, dependably, and arrogantly proclaim stuff you’ve ignored about reality, the only case you’ve got is ignorance.
It’s constantly amazing to see what some participants in the forum choose to ignore just to suppore “conservative” dogma, George WMD Bush, or the Republic Party line.
Your *ignore*-ance, “Joe Williams,” shows itself just about every time you post.
Oh, wow. What an insult to the Nobel prize. A textbook report on global warming? Makes me glad I threw my vote away to Nader.
the radical environmentalists believe that HUMANS are the pollution.
At least, those of us who cant afford to fly around in private jets, like Gore.
Posted by: Econ101
Yeah, I bet you money he owns an SUV. Or at least a dozen expensive pollutant-mobiles he doesn’t need. I hate rich people with nothing to do.
“You’re an idiot and an anti-Semite.”
Okay, the idiot part is in the eye of the beholder, but anti-Semite?
WTF?
I’m an ANTI-anti-semite . . . and ever other kind of prejudice.
Click on my nic, then click on my link to “sites I enjoy.”
I rest my case.
What a dumbass you are, Joe Williams.
I feel sorry for you, man.
Amazing how much mileage these clowns can get out of a malicious misquote of an entirely defensible statement.
Among several things Gore did was secure considerable NSF funding to expand and improve computer networks, back in ‘86.
Next year WSU got its first Internet connection.
You be the judge.
“You know this is just political. Gore, who is worth more than $90 million dollars won’t spend a single dime of his own money for Global Warming. He wants everybody else to do it.
Tell me were I am wrong? ”
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 12, 2007 at 02:10 PM
Joe Williams is wrong. How about 7,500,000 “dimes”…
‘Gore says prize must spur action’http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7042423.stm
“[Gore] said he would donate his half of the $1.5m prize money to the Alliance for Climate Protection.”
Gore also gives all profits from his documentary and book to the Alliance for Climate Protection.
Florida voter – Gore had his picture taken with a drug smuggler you say?
George W. Bush had his picture taken, several times, with Jack Abramhoff but Bush denied ever meeting the man.
So, what’s your point? A criminal is a criminal.
The following is a terrific article written by Mountain Democrat columnist David Jacobsen:
“The Issue is Trust.
Let’s say the Associated Press or Time Magazine wants to consider me for a job. I’d have to whisk together a resume that might include the following: “My column appears regularly on the award-winning editorial page of the Mountain Democrat.”
Of course, I had nothing to do with winning the award, earned by Editor Michael Raffety. He did, though, let me park on his illustrious page. So nobody could fault me for basking in his reflected glory.
Unless, of course, I were running for president.
Exhibit A is Al Gore. People eager to lie about him continue to portray him as a liar. First lie, that he claims to have “invented” the Internet. Second lie, that he claims to have “discovered” the pollution of Love Canal. Third lie, that he falsely claims to be the model for Oliver Barrett IV, hero of Love Story.
Gore never claimed that he “invented” the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other. In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that’s how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of “inventing” for the actual language.
For a heady while we hoped that the Bush campaign would prove their man to be the champion of honesty and integrity that he pretends to be, especially for those looking for a squeaky clean new White House. A couple of weeks ago the campaign rejected a shoddy commercial showing Gore saying that Clinton never told a lie. Problem was that the clip showed an interview from 1994, long before Clinton ever heard of Monica Lewinsky.
To his credit, Bush scrapped the commercial before it aired. But as I write, his campaign is unloading a new commercial, featuring a sneer at the fragment from the Internet claim, again implying that Gore had nothing to do with the Internet’s creation. At least they got the words right; it would be dangerous to doctor the tape.
But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who’s been called the Father of the Internet, “The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator.”
The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore’s High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania’s Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet “would not be where it is today.”
Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore “was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?”
The Love Canal canard distorts a story Gore told to a high school class in Concord, New Hampshire. In answer to a question about how students could get involved in politics, Gore described a letter he’d received from a girl in West Tennessee while he was a congressman. Based on the girl’s complaint about a poisoned well, he organized an investigation, which in turn led to other pollution sites, culminating in the expose of Love Canal. Referring to the well in Toone, Tennessee, Gore said, “That was the one you didn’t hear of–but that was the one that started it all.”
The media was quick to misquote the line as “I was the one that started it all.” Seemingly dissatisfied with Gore’s style, the Republican National Committee improved the line thus: “I was the one who started it all.” When the Concord Monitor and the Boston Globe exposed what had really been said in that high school class, the New York Times, the Washington Post and U.S. News offered grudging corrections of their reportorial errors.
Some of the media’s stars had rare fun with the idea that Al Gore was the kernel for Ryan O’Neal’s most famous role; but no one seemed interested in finding out whether Gore was telling the truth or not. CNBC’s Chris Matthews chortled. “It reminds me of Snoopy thinking he’s the Red Baron.” But in this case Snoopy really is the Red Baron. Erich Segal, author of Love Story, corroborated that Gore and his Harvard roommate, Tommy Lee Jones, were indeed the models for the story’s main character.
Given that Gore was telling the truth, what’s the issue? We have an odd bit of trivia of no relevance to the election–except to those liars who want to portray Gore as a liar.
All of these malicious whoppers have been exposed for over a year and have received pusillanimous apologies, often mean-spirited and grudging, from the so-called “liberal” press that promoted them. But like a corrupting disease the lies simply refuse to go away.
Unless Bush gets out of the tank with the media bottom feeders, he’s not going to make it, especially in an election revolving around honesty and integrity.”
Among several things Gore did was secure considerable NSF funding to expand and improve computer networks, back in ‘86.Posted by: Rage | October 12, 2007 at 02:43 PM
How is a politician that secured funding analogous to claim he helped invent the Internet?
Lot of financial donations out there, but none of them claim invention like the GORACLE.
Only an over blown ego would take credit for work he has never done.
Did you hear something, folks? I thought that was troll-whine in the distance. . .
creating vs inventing??
Please tell me where I am wrong on this, but “Creating” is actually a stronger term than “Inventing”, is it not?
At the very least, not much difference, at most, a God-like complex in the person who used one of the terms.
Rage must get tired of being wrong on so many things.
Republicans refused to pass the HPCA bill that Gore had WRITTEN.
So Gore asked the GAO to make a report on the economic, educational, etc benefits that his legislation would provide — the Republicans then passed the “Gore bill”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Performance_Computing_and_Communication_Act_of_1991
Most browsers are based on Mosaic, which was developed with funding from the “Gore bill”.
Note Gore’s photo at this old demo page,’NCSA Mosaic — September 10, 1993 Demo’http://www.totic.org/nscp/demodoc/demo.html
You’re getting closer, Econ… now add the key phrase “in Congress” and you’ll have what he actually said. The Internet was created as a government program, one that Gore took the initiative in creating.
Or do you guys seriously believe the man thinks he invented TCP/IP? Because I would find that hilariously sad that for anyone to be so deluded as to believe that.
Frankly, I would feel better about the average intelligence of humanity if you guys were simply lying to score political points.
‘INVENTING INVENTED THE INTERNET! No one said Boo about Gore’s remark. Then, the RNC spin-points arrived:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml
“GINGRICH: In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is — and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a “futures group” — the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen.”
The Internet was in full swing long before the GORACLE showed up.
As I said before, just because you provide funding doesn’t mean you get to take credit for the work.
Did Carnegie invent/create Libraries because he donated his fortune to help build them?
As I said before, it’s about the GORACLE’s ego and his ability to take credit where none is deserved.
Really, Kansas? The Internet was in full swing in 1976? At that time it was confined to universities and government research facilities, and still running over phone lines. If that’s what you call full swing…
Did Carnegie invent/create Libraries because he donated his fortune to help build them?
Yes.
That’s why we call them “Carnegie Libraries.”
Geez, your own evidence proves our side.
Kansas, the proper analogy for libraries would be Ben Franklin, who established the public library system in Philadelphia. To say Gore merely “provided money” is incredibly obtuse.
Kansas thinks he was the first one on the internet.
Just like he thinks he’s the guy that first posted the 1896 8th grade exam.
I don’t know how he could have been the first blog moderator AND flying jet planes in war zones at the same time, but Kansas expects us to believe it . . .
I think the right wingers were better off when they insisted Gore said he “Invented the Internet.” Now that they’re trying to fit their myopic view to the facts of what Al Gore said and did, they can’t do it without creating a hundred other historical errors.
And no, when I say they are creating historical errors, I don’t mean they invented historical errors, though I can imagine how one might think that ;)
As usual, Capn can’t seem to stick to the topic and goes for the ad hominem. A person of shallow personality and no substance that Capn is.
1896? I don’t think I was born then
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. “
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. “
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. “
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. “
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. “
How did you manage to moderate COMPUSERVE in 1988 when you were stationed overseas at the time?
Kansas,
Don’t you use a Mozilla browser?
Gore’s legislation funded the DEVELOPMENT of the Mosaic browser. Mosaic caused the eventual development of the browser Kansas is using today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla#Codename_of_Netscape_Navigator“It was a contraction of Mosaic killer (that is, the slang “killa” leading to Moz+illa), referring to the hope that the project would unseat Mosaic as the web’s most popular browser, ”
And when someone claims to have taken the “initiative in creating” something, they are giving credit to OTHERS.Gore’s legislation passed, because others in Congress voted for it.
Harry’s letter is up to $5600.00 on Ebay.
RE: Gore quote.
Yeah, it means exactly what it says it does. He funded and supported research to bring the internet to what it is today.
Long story short, problem solved.
Now, YOUR assertion that you were wounded as an Air Force pilot in some posts and in a non-military injury in others has us all wondering which one is the lie.
Wow, Heckler.
We Dems got more than that for Obama’s tie in Topeka.
What the GORACLE said and there is no denying it.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. ”
cosmos does not understand that a Browser is not the Internet.
During the late 1980s, the first Internet service provider (ISP) companies were formed. Companies like PSINet, UUNET, Netcom, and Portal Software were formed to provide service to the regional research networks and provide alternate network access, UUCP-based email and Usenet News to the public. The first dial-up in the West Coast, was Best Internet[1] – now Verio Communications, opened in 1986. The first dialup ISP in the East was world.std.com, opened in 1989. wikipedia
cosmos
“took the inititiate” means he was the man man on the issue.
Perhaps, in Congress, that might be true. Newt gives him credit.
However, I think what got Gore into political trouble was this:
Eisenhower created the Interstate Highway system (That, too, was originally for Defense purposes.)
However, those in Congress would look silly if they tried to take credit for “inventing” or “creating” the Automobile industry.
Don’t like the anology?
Hey, it was not me who coined, invented, created the term:
Information SUPERHIGHWAY!
Again, if Gore had it to do over, we all know he would have phrased his response differently.
It comes off sounding rather arrogant, as if nothing happens in this country without the heavy hand of government, and that HE, Al Gore, WAS that hand.
main man
All the desperate spinning in the world and the CONs can’t deny it:
Gore won the effing NOBEL PRIZE and their guy won the title
Worst.President.Ever.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. ”
Kansas does not understand that Gore’s statement is accurate. Gore was the leader, in the U.S. Congress, on fiber optics, computers, and networking issues.
And Kansas… if “a Browser is not the Internet”, please UNINSTALL all browsers from your computer(s). Thank you. :)
Capn
The auction has a week to run.See ya next friday.
Capn
I notice you reference Jimmy Carter a lot. What gives?
From now on, I’m going to refer to Kansas as “I was / was not injured in the Air Force” Kansas.
Looks like couldn’t keep the lies straight, no matter how often he repeated them . . .
Heckler?
When, where, why, and how?
Don’t know what you’re talking about.
Might be time to quit taking what Rush is taking.
cosmos does not understand the difference between the World Wide Web (WWW) and the Internet.
His ignorance on the matter is make him look even more stupid than usual.
is make him = is making him
Oh, crap.
Here comes the lecture from Republican “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas.
How about you pretend to tell us and we pretend we care about your picking arcane nits.
Notice how the Capn is still posting off topic stuff that is purely ad hominem and he wonders why I bite back at him.
Capn doesn’t have a clue on the subject matter, so he does what he does best…attack other people.
I’ll make you dance later Capn. In the mean time try supporting cosmos on his “browser” theory.
Ask cosmos to load that browser without Internet access and see what happens. :)
Republican “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas really hates getting called out on his lies.
C’mon, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas, you’ve weasel-lied your way out of tougher ones than this before.
How about you can’t tell us because it’s classified?
That’s how Bush and Cheney play it, man.
Re the U.K.’s court case about Gore’s AIT documentary,
‘An ‘error’ is not the same thing as an error’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing.php
“So contrary to all the reporters’ claims Burton did not find that there were 9 scientific errors in AIT, but that there were nine points that might be errors or where differing views should be presented for balance.”
And Bob Carter was involved in the case,http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1557 “Carter “not a credible source” on climate change
In response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change uncovered no evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that “if he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.” “
Looks like Cosmos doesn’t want to play your inane little game of who-knows-more-arcane-computer-crap, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas.
Sucks to be you.
Sucks so bad.
cosmos refuses to admit his gross error about browsers being the Internet.
He post some inane argument about the credibility of people who he has no clue about.
cosmos, yet another Lib attack dog on people.
It’s true that cosmos is not a scientist as he admitted such. Yet cosmos spends 90 percent of his time attacking scientists, a profession in which cosmos has no background, training or a clue about.
He refuses to admit it because he didn’t make it, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas.
Lucky for you, I’m going to go jogging.
You can think about how you’re going to lie your way out of this most recent lie while I’m gone.
Good luck, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas.
Kansas,
Please uninstall all browsers from your computer(s).
Yeah, and you said you took courses in “Bio-ecological engineering” or something, didn’t you, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas?
‘Cause I’ve never heard of that course.
Maybe you’d like to enlighten us on it?
Hear that sound?
That’s the sound of “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas seething because he got his ass kicked and he couldn’t do a damn thing about it . . .
I am getting here late, but I thought ECP said recently that he was injured while active duty, and hence his claim to medical help from the government. I don’t recall reading the NOT INJURED claim.
This is the number of hits for “bio-ecological engineering” in a google search:
Results 1 – 7 of 7 for “Bio-ecological engineering”
If it exists at all, it would have to be a fairly arcane field.
Steven I have been in and out all day. Just got in out of the rain now and found out I lied about something – still not sure what it was. So I can’t help you out with any facts.
I think when I left today I didn’t tell Chas and Cap I was leaving. It really upset them. I’ll do better next time. I will be leaving in about an hour.
Hope your day was a good one. You and I disagree on several things but I always enjoy sparing with you.
ksgrmIt didnt rain EVERYWHERE did it?
So, what of the people reading this, where it was not raining?
LIAR LIAR!
Econ you are right about that. I was at Hillside and Douglas and it was sure raining there. I guess I had better qualify that. I am already in trouble with the Blogmaster for leaving without permission.
“If Reagan didn’t get the Nobel Peace prize for bringing down the Soviet Union,”
It’s ridiculous to say RR brought down the Soviet Union, he just happened to be at a long line of efforts to dissassemble the USSR …… it’s like saying I won the Cold War because I was on a missile crew for four years …..
We have had a great many in politics who did not think that the Soviet Union was an “Evil Empire”.
Yes, bringing down the Soviets was a group effort, but please do not pretend that all of our elected leaders were on board, with that goal.
Kansas,
Please uninstall all browsers from your computer(s).
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 04:41 PM
cosmos fails to admit he was wrong about browsers being the Internet.
cosmos, next time you install a new operating system like Microsoft Windows, try to access the Internet with your browser without an Internet Service Provider or setting up TCP/IP communication.
cosmos does not know what the Internet is.
And yes cosmos, I can access the Internet without a browser. I won’t bore you with the details, because obviously above your knowledge level on what the Internet actually is.
“Steven I have been in and out all day. Just got in out of the rain now and found out I lied about something – still not sure what it was. So I can’t help you out with any facts.”
I hope you’re not saying that I said you lied about anything, because I am not recalling that.
I remember reading something about the above, but I can’t remember what it was.
Hope these are not signs my memory is going… and instead is an example of my using my limited mnemonic resourses usefully.
Steven my office is in the basement and twice today I have gone upstairs and forgot what I went up for. I think it is because the atmosphere is heavy today. Thats my story and I’m stickin to it.
Thanks kansas – your quote agrees with me – that Gore helped get the GOVERNMENT funding that was involved in the early days.
Having been involved in research I understand the importance of funding such research. If I invent something i am happy to share with the guy who provided the support and agree that he, by doing so, helped initiate my work.
“… and twice today I have gone upstairs and forgot what I went up for. I think it is because the atmosphere is heavy today…”
Heavy atmosphere? It’s the smoke grm …… open a window and clean the bong ………
ksgrm – I’ve had many days like that! especially when the boys are around!
“Having been involved in research I understand the importance of funding such research.”
Posted by Ben.
And Al Gore’s photo is on the Mosaic’s demo page — Gore wrote the bill that funded Mosaic.http://www.totic.org/nscp/demodoc/demo.html
So cosmos, have you figured out what the difference between a browser and the Internet is yet?
Or are you going to keep on kissing the backside of the GORACLE?
What “Kansas” and the rest of the Cons hate to admit or can’t come to grips with is that Al Gore is a political visionary.
He has his shortcomings as a candidate and may be too smart for “Kansas” et al to sit down and have a beer with. But, unlike George WMD Bush, Al isn’t a drunk. And, perhaps to his detriment as a political candidate, Gore doesn’t believe in lying long enough to get elected and manipulate the presidency for the benefit of Halliburton and Big Oil.
Back when Arpanet was limited to selected universities and DOD connections, Gore promoted federal funding to establish an infrastructure and protocols for making the Information Superhighway something we today can take for granted. Even Newtie Gingrich long ago admitted that Al Gore made led the cause for creating what we now understand to be “The Internet.”
Gore never said he “invented” it. It was partisan Republic Party liars who put those words in his mouth and spun it into some sort of right-wing joke.
Gore is a visionary regarding global warming. His film, his books, and his work comprise a body of work that shares what all thinking scientists who aren’t on the teat of Big Oil recognize (and, in the height of irony, what George WMD Bush himself said — of course, he could have been lying — in that State of the Union address that declared that America must wean itself from its addiction to oil).
The only reason the Middle East matters is oil. The only reason there aren’t four or five daily bullet trains between Kansas City and Wichita is oil. The only reason 4,000 American men and women have died in Iraq is oil.
Hmmm. Suppose if the United States of America spent $3 or $4 Billion a week *not* trying to kill brown people halfway around the world we might be able to come up with a cure for addiction to oil?
A hundred and fifty years ago, the United States government helped creat a railroad infrastructure that helped us wean our then-current addiction to covered wagons.
Fifty years ago the Eisenhower Administration created the Interstate Highway System to wean Americans from the railroads (they were unionized, you see, and a threat to Republic Party interests). After all, “What’s good for General Motors is ‘good’ for America,” said Ike’s Secretary of Commerce.
Spewing hydrocarbons into the atmosphere is as self-destructive and suicidal as breathing tobacco directly into your lungs. Somebdoy’s gotta step up and warn people that, for all it’s addictive pleasures, cigarettes might not be a good idea. For all it’s fantasized “freedoms,” perhaps a 10-mile-per-gallon Humvie just might not be worth the cost.
Read a little Greek mythology and learn about Cassandra. She predicted disaster and was vilified for her visions. But she was always correct, and hated even more because of it.
Synchophants of the Republic Party hate Al Gore because they know deep down in their hearts that he actually defeated their stooge in 2000. They smirk that they pulled off a manipulation of the Constitution and got into power. But the ghost of Al Gore… of his failings as a candidate… of their *non-presedent-setting 5-to-4 SCOTUS decision… haunts those so-called “conservatives” who still have a conscious. And it bugs the hell out of ‘em.
Circumstances of reality have cornered just about all that constitutes what passes as “conservatism” these days. When a feral animal is cornered, it attacks.
It’s the instinct of a sub-human mind.
Eloquence Monkeyhawk
Masterful.
Thank you for your input CaptAmerica and I don’t want to get between a family fight, but I think the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to one who best epitomizes or brings awareness to the cause the Nobel Committee feels is important. Hence Arrafat for the plight of the Palestinains, Mother Theresa for poverty (not missionary work), Tutu for reconcilation and Gore for the awareness brought to the current cause celebre. I don’t think it was Gore himself, but the cause. Many years ago a diplomat at the UN was given the Nobel Peace Prize for the introduction of Peace Keepers, a new concept of getting the UN between two sides and avoiding bloodshed if possibe, a then current cause celebre of the committee. His award eventually made him Prime Minister. He may have been a good negotiator, but not a great leader. As an side, didn’t Alfred Nobel invent dynamite and other very high explosives thus giving war a new dimension? Anyway, perhaps the nominees/winners do have a lot to do with whatever the Nobel committee thinks is the most important cause not person at the time, hence a lot of what now appears to be rather strange nominees. But what the hell, it’s still a class act to win.
“Al Gore is a political visionary.”
That’s very true, the GORACLE is 100 percent politically motivated in everything he does. His visionary ideas are those which best lines his pockets with cash and feed his overblown ego.
“He has his shortcomings as a candidate and may be too smart for “Kansas” et al to sit down and have a beer with.”
Funny…I didn’t realize the GORACLE had a 4.0 grade point average like me in undergraduate and graduate. Didn’t the GORACLE fail like half a dozen courses in college? It appears to me, GORACLE would have a very difficult time understanding me as he is a mental lightweight with the gift of political gab and huckster tricks that keeps him in the limelight.
“Synchophants of the Republic Party hate Al Gore because they know deep down in their hearts that he actually defeated their stooge in 2000.”
Wrong again! Even the consortium of newspapers which including the New York Times and the Los Angles Times that do a post election count for the Florida votes concluded that Bush clearly won the election by popular vote. The fact that he won the election with the electoral college is much to the chagrin of the losing Democratic Party who wanted to change the rules of the game after it already started.
Ironically, Eisenhower got the idea of Interstate Highways from the German Autobahns which were built under Hitler’s regime.
Must be awful to be so wrong so often MonkeyHawk.
I don’t recall reading the NOT INJURED claim.
Posted by: Steven Davis
Yeah, it’s back in the archives there somewhere, Steven. I’ll bone dig sometime when I’ve run through my list of 2,039 other things I’d rather do first.
Chas remembers “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas writing it too.
*****
KSgrmalkin is being very disingenuous again: she claimed Chas was really WS Clark.
When JR and I and Chas all told her she was wrong because we had all met Chas, she said it was “a conspiracy.”
Man, where do the right-wingers get all that oxycontin? Does Rush send it out by Fed Express or something?
MonkeyHawk–
Dude, that post rocked!
I hope you’ve got a personal blog where you record all this and aren’t just wasting it on the ditto-heads here at the WEBlog . . .
Ah, yes!
“Kansas” had a 4.0 GPA.
On what? A scale of 1 to 10?
Ralph Nader! The True American Environmentalist.
Yeah MonkeyHawk, post that on your own blog. Then you can get posts from Historians who actually know the real truth without political spin like you constantly post here.
4.0 out of 4.0 MonkeyHawk…Haven’t you been to college to learn about GPA’s and how to calculate them?
So MonkeyHawk, how hard is it to constantly re-invent history like you do.
It appears to be a common Liberal trait. If it doesn’t fit the Liberal ideology, mash it-hash it-spin it-toss it up in the air- and reinvent history to wonder the popular consensus of the day is.
Ben,
Re funding research, an interesting speech Gore made in 1996, about ENIAC, ARPANET, NSFNET, etc.
‘The Technology Challenge: How Can America Spark Private Innovation?’http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/lazowska/faculty.lecture/innovation/gore.html
Has anyone else noticed the similarity between the republicans on this blog and their somewhat ridiculous interpretation of Gore’s words, and Clinton’s remarks about the meaning of the word, “is”?
I was going to go see “The Game Plan”, but the comedy I’m reading on these threads might save me a few bucks.
Interesting pov from someone who is so reckless with the truth he forgot he said he wasn’t injured in the line of duty before he said he was.
A liar is never believed, even when he tells the truth.
Isn’t that right, “I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas?
“Down to Mississippi,Down to Mississippi,Down to MississippiWhere I come fromDown to MississippiWhere I belong
I’m going down . . . “
cosmos, figured out what the difference between a browser and the Internet is yet?
Perhaps all those VOIP users like Vonnage and Cox Cable that have “Internet telephones” can get with you on why they can access the Internet without a browser.
Next time you email from outlook express cosmos, be sure and look for that browser so you can access the Internet.
Or cosmos, if you need to remotely control your computer with software, you might want to see if a browser will help you do that.
Perhaps some of those cameras placed around various spots in the world that have feeds to the Internet need browsers to work.
Watcha think cosmos?
Why does Gore refused to debate the issue with anyone? Why is he a such a coward?
He said he refuses to debate anyone because the issue is settled.
No Gore! We need to seriously debate the issue and what role we should take to reduce pollution. You don’t have any solutions, just rhetoric and a doomed world.
I would like to see Gore debate the issue.
I just got through listening to Gore on FreshAir. He had nothing to say about solutions, just these speculative problems we will face.
DEBATE! DEBATE! DEBATE! Prove to us that you are the master of environmentalism. See if you are man enough to debate Ralph Nader, especially when you refused him coming to the Presidential Debates back in 2000.
“DEBATE! DEBATE! DEBATE! Prove to us that you are the master of environmentalism. See if you are man enough to debate Ralph Nader, especially when you refused him coming to the Presidential Debates back in 2000.”
See what I mean? You can’t find this brand of humor at any theater, not even the theater of the absurd. . . priceless.
Glad I can entertain you. Now! Let me open your mind!
;)
Kansas,
I’ve known for a long time the differences between the Internet, WWW, browsers, email, etc.
The troll Kansas seems to believe that Internet phones, email, etc prove that browsers are unimportant, and not needed.
cosmos claim that the GORACLE’s funding of a browser is the the same as the Internet.
Kansas,
I’ve known for a long time the differences between the Internet, WWW, browsers, email, etc.
The troll Kansas seems to believe that Internet phones, email, etc prove that browsers are unimportant, and not needed.
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 07:13 PM
So you were lying then when you posted this:
“And Kansas… if “a Browser is not the Internet”, please UNINSTALL all browsers from your computer(s). Thank you. :)”
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 04:19 PM
cosmos is changing his story now to cover up his lies.
Re Kansas,
DNFTT.
“Why does Gore refused to debate the issue with anyone?”
Posted by: Joe Williams | October 12, 2007 at 07:03 PM
Joe Williams does not seem to understand that climate science is “debated” through scientific research.
There is no credible science that refutes the main points of human-caused global warming.
There is no credible science that explains the recent rapid warming, without including the human-caused factors.
Cosmos! I’m not talking about what is causing Global Warming. I’m talking about what to do to combat it. Al Gore hasn’t provided any solutions. Only that is needs to be done now and the expense of everybody.
Do what?
Somebody like Nader is way ahead of his time by initiating Legislation for the Clean Air Act and the Safe Drinking Waters Act when Al Gore was still sitting around waiting for his daddy to give him a leg up on a politician position.
Nader has been and is getting things done! Al Gore has not.
Joe?
Please tell me you saw Gore’s film.
‘Cause if you didn’t?
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
Joe Williams,
cosmos isn’t a scientist, but makes believe he is one.
He also believes that browsers are the same thing as the Internet.
“And Kansas… if “a Browser is not the Internet”, please UNINSTALL all browsers from your computer(s). Thank you. :)”
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 04:19 PM
Cosmos! Actually the question would be; What are you doing?
You never answered the question if you had a monster of a tank SUV sitting in your driveway. If you use a gasoline powered lawn mower, if you use energy saving light bulbs and so on.
Can you walk the walk?
As a liberal and an environmentalist myself, I walk the walk.
Kansas! The internet is basically the web browser, because it is the software application that allows you to interact on the Internet.
Sure there is another way, like BBS, but hardly anybody uses it anymore. What we know as the World Wide Web can only be access, viewed and interacted through a web browser.
I have at least a dozen applications on my hard drive right now Joe that I can access the Internet with – maybe even more – haven’t counted.
None of those are browsers.
Like which application?
Yes, whatever, please name these dozen programs with which you access the internet. Inquiring minds want to know.
Let’s see -
Net Meeting
Remote Desktop
Three games from CD which I forgot about that have direct access to the Internet
Wintdist (another Windows Application)
Visual Basic/SDK for updates and downloading utilities – programming routines
Procomm (for use with a modem)
Itunes
Telnet
etc. etc.
there are more, just some examples
I think this question shows how much sh** is in the brain of Kansas.
Just watch, he will vanish for the night!
Kansas made a garbage post about what I understand.
“cosmos does not understand that a Browser is not the Internet.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 12, 2007 at 04:09 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/10/al-gore-wins-ag.html#comment-86213610
Instead of replying to that, I made a sarcastic post re the importance of browsers, by using part of his garbage post to suggest that he uninstall it.
And also set a trap to see how many troll posts Kansas would make.
The troll Kansas refused to admit that browsers are important — and instead made more garbage posts claiming that I don’t understand the difference between browsers, and the Internet.
Lame repuke loser
“kansas” is an idiot
“And Kansas… if “a Browser is not the Internet”, please UNINSTALL all browsers from your computer(s). Thank you. :)”
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 04:19 PM
cosmos still doesn’t understand that a browser is not the Internet.
I cannot help all of you that think a browser is the Internet. It is merely an interface design to make surfing on the WWW easier.
Anyone who has programmed knows this very well and realizes you can put TCP/IP functions into any application you program.
kansas, give it up
you are full of crap
A web browser is a software application that enables a user to display and interact with text, images, videos, music and other information typically located on a Web page at a website on the World Wide Web or a local area network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser
That is why they call it a browser. It is an application that interfaces with connection protocols so you can see what is at a particular URL.
Similar protocols are used in office networks to communicate to each other in office settings. Users in a network setting use applications to communicate their work products.
In a lot of workplaces, browsers are not even permitted on desktops as they don’t want people browsing the Internet.
The browser is not the Internet nor is it an Intranet.
This thread is really revealing as to the mindset of the Dems today. After all, haven’t we been told since midsummer that the nomination of Hillary is in the bag. Why then the sudden clamoring for a Gore Presidential run? This is the same Gore who after blowing the 2000 election, couldn’t get arrested, until he made that “dumbass” movie a couple of years ago. For Christs sake, he grew a beard, got fat and taught college classes for a couple of years afterblowing an election he should have walked away with. Could it be that the Clintons really did torpedo the Gore campaign? Ask yourselves where Hillary would be today if Gore had won. 2008, (assuming a Gore reelection in 04) would mark sixteen years of Democratic control of the White House. Not even Hillary and her money and power juggeranught could overcome the Democrat fatigue that this Country would have.
Kansas does not understand that a steering wheel is not the car.
cosmos doesn’t understand that motorcycles don’t have steering wheels.
Chris from Mac Town:
He taught “college classes” at Columbia.
You couldn’t sweep the floors at Columbia.
The fact is, Gore won the flipping NOBEL PRIZE.
Your whining can’t take that away from him . . .
Actually all those programs you mention all use browsers to interact.
Any thing that deciphers HTML, XML, SWF, ASP, PSP and the list goes on, and translates it to you is a web browser.
But you’re right! The Internet is the network connection of computers. You can access computers through a number of interfaces, but what most people describe as the Internet is actually the World Wide Web, and that is only access through Browsers based on the specific and standardize language used to interface with it.
It’s semantics. But the consensus is that when people say the ‘internet’, they are meaning the World Wide Web.
“I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas can’t stop impressing himself with his own knowledge.
He can’t accept that no one cares except for him, and since he lies as easy as breathing, one has to wonder if he really cares or just wants to hijack the thread.
“I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas . . . heh, I’ve got it copied to my computer’s memory so I don’t have to type it–
I just paste it:”I was / was not injured in the military” Kansas
Actually all those programs you mention all use browsers to interact.Posted by: Joe Williams | October 12, 2007 at 08:39 PM
Actually Joe, no they don’t.
You need to educate yourself on what a browser is and what the Internet is.
HTML, XML, SWF, ASP, PSP.
HTML, XML are markup languages utilized in browsers and of course XML is now beginning to be used in other software interfaces.
SWF is a file format for ShockWave file which displays Vector Graphics in animation and/or still images.
ASP is a script based software. Basically an engine to drive dynamic web pages.
PSP – I believe you meant to write PHP, which is another script language for dynamic web pages.
I can display SWF on a player, it doesn’t need a browser. A player is just a container for viewing various formats for videos that require certain codecs or formats to run.
Windows Media Player is a container just like Itunes or a Quicktime player. Neither ones are browsers, but can incorporate browser content in their interface.
“Net Meeting”
A software solution for net conferencing. While connected to the internet, it does not actually access the internet per se, as in, try to load google from it.
“Remote Desktop”
A protocol used to control a desk top (computer) from another computer via internet or intranet. Technically connects to the internet, but, again, try pulling up google. It does so through your browser.
Three games from CD which I forgot about that have direct access to the Internet.
Limited to gaming only via internet. Again, pull up google from it.
Wintdist (another Windows Application)
hahahahahaha
Visual Basic/SDK for updates and downloading utilities – programming routines
Visual basic is a program for creating programs. You can write browers with it, but it is not, and does not access the internet without you writing a program in it to do so.
Procomm (for use with a modem)
Procomm operates under a windows environment and uses standard protocals for sending info over the internet. It uses phone lines for faxing, and ftp (file transfer protocol). It accesses the interner/intranet between two computers. Again, pull up google with it.
Itunes
see above
Telnet
see above
You have a point, however, for practical purposes, your list is basically another red herring. If you can sit there with a straight face and post crap about Gore inventing the internet, then post this crap, and have us believe those programs constitute the internet, then I suggest you delete all browsers and go for it.
Maybe you can keep posting here using procomm, or itunes, or windist, or visual basic, or “one of three cd’s”.
For the majority of internet users, well over 99.9%, the web is non-existent without a browser.
Your right! SWF is an Adobe Flash Player.
But! The mark-up language is what brings about the World Wide Web in translation to your browser. That is all your browser knows. You can embed active objects and other players to play and interact to other file software, such as SWF, but when it comes to the Internet a.k.a the world wide web, browsers can only translate them.
And that is what people are talking about. Time for you to get educated and quit using bullshit syntax as an stick to poke people with when it comes to your personal attacks.
If you remove all browsers from your computer, windows media player will not access the internet. In fact, if you delete all browsers from your computer, no programs, except maybe a fax program, if you’re hooked to a land line, will access the internet.
Very fitting that a Gore thread turns into geek contest!(No offense)
“Al Gore’s film has errors?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101102134.html?wpisrc=newsletter“
1) I wonder what sort of qualifications a British Judge has to make the prounouncements he made. Certainly, the judge’s own conclusions about what was claimed in the film are questionable.
2) Catherine, assuming that you did want to claim the judege as an expert, did you miss this comment?
“Despite finding nine significant errors the judge said many of the claims made by the film were fully backed up by the weight of science. He identified “four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC”.”
“Even the courts have started to rule against Mr. Gore and his film.”
Really, or are you just exaggerating for rhetorical effect(i.e., British Judge Burton = courts plural)?
Joe, J M Walker, cosmos…
You all are embarrassing yourselves.
I’ve used the Internet since the 1980s. I’ve gone through Unix servers to get it using UUCP and I’ve used LINUX computers utilizing SLIP or PPP.
Oh and J M Walker, I used Procomm before I used Windows (way before Windows 3.1) came out.
============================”For the majority of internet users, well over 99.9%, the web is non-existent without a browser.”
Posted by: J M Walker | October 12, 2007 at 09:11 PM
So far, that’s the most accurate statement that anyone has made on this sidetracked subject.=========================
When I update my ASP servers, I don’t use a browser, I use Dream Weaver or some other application to upload data and content. People don’t ever see the inner workings of an ASP server because it is not a Web Server.
Yet, it is utilize to dynamically update a Web page through server side scripts. There are no browsers involved on my side except to test the content for the Web page, video, image or player that will be requested by the user (meaning typing in a URL or clicking on a bookmark.)
==================Visual basic is a program for creating programs. You can write browers with it, but it is not, and does not access the internet without you writing a program in it to do so. Posted by: J M Walker | October 12, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Duh J M Walker! That’s what I use VB to do. I write script and programming routines that can make”calls” to invoke browser content if desired. I can put that browser content inside for example, a word processing program or a database.
Anyway, some people need to get some education on what things are. Since I work with this “stuff” all the time, I am quite familiar with it and I happen to know because of my long exposure and working with it what it actually does.
Catherine, I read your list regarding scientific errors. Please. This is the very essence of what philosopher Harry Frank meant in his book “On Bullshit”. Make any claim to support your point of view, find anything you can that you can possibly claim to support your point of view, without any thought or caring as to whether it is true.
You apparently executed a search for scientific fraud and error to advance the claim that “see, scientists make errors! Worse, some of them commit fraud!!” What a classic non sequitur. It does not follow that because scientists make errors and even some commit fraud, that all claims by scientists are therefore equally questionable. There is quite a difference between theoretical claims made on the basis of robust, multiple studies with in turn multiple replications, and the solitary study here and there, even if they are studies of apparently significant importance.
The scientific method at its best is based on the premise that scientists are human beings, prone to the errors and even sometimes the dishonesty. However, that is why scientists insists on replicable results and peer review. On something like global climate change, there are literally hundred of studies. Yes, there can be significant errors on specific results, even in major studies, but these errors (and in much rarer instances, fraud) tend to be found out, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE STUDIES CONDUCTED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE SAME FIELDS. The bulk of the climatological evidence evaluated by the IPCC is not published on online journals designed to avoid peer review, and the sheer amount of studies and evidence are going to wash out errors. Mistakes tend not to replicate, which is why replication is done in the first place. The bulk of climate scientists and practioners of related fields have come to firm conclusions about the relationship between increased global temperature averages and human activity. The idea that such massive amounts of scientific research, and such a massive consensus, particularly in the face of frequent resistance from some of their own governments, is anything less that the best available evidence is nothing more than the substitution of blind political wishing for reason. This isn’t a single bad study, these are multiple studies where if significant errors were to have been made, others replicating the study would have been more than glad to point those errors out.
Catherine should also read this page, re the U.K.’s court case about Gore’s AIT documentary.
‘An ‘error’ is not the same thing as an error’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/10/an_error_is_not_the_same_thing.php
“So contrary to all the reporters’ claims Burton did not find that there were 9 scientific errors in AIT, but that there were nine points that might be errors or where differing views should be presented for balance.”
But you can’t view Active Server Pages without a browser. Even using Dreamweaver (which I got) it is a engine for dynamic web pages using Microsoft’s IIS, and when you check it out through Dreamweaver it defaults to a web browser. It’s still web pages and the server has to activate it through the WWW.
You can’t use anything else to view ASP but a browser.
New evidence shows that if we clean the environment that it will speed Global Warming. Pollution is what has been slowing down Global Warming. Even Gore nows this fact and it looks like we have entered the era that there is a point of no return.
Although we should strive for a cleaner world and less pollution. We will be entering an era of heighten increase of temperature change.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
“Joe, J M Walker, cosmos…
You all are embarrassing yourselves.”
Posted by: Kansas | October 12, 2007 at 09:56 PM
I didn’t embarrass myself — I made a joke out of Kansas’ false garbage post.
Kansas continues to deny the importance of browsers.
I guess he would prefer to do that, instead of thinking about Gore and the U.N.’s IPCC sharing a Nobel Peace Prize award.
Sort of Joe,
ASP is a method utilizing code and content.
I can supply streaming video to a player which does not need a browser.
Or I can supply tunes or content to your IPOD which do not require a browser.
Or I can supply data for a bank’s computer that compiles and securely transmits purchase data for the purposes of daily business needs.
Or one can use an ASP server to actively and dynamically transmit data from a research station, radar or perhaps a collar on an animal to filter telemetry data and pass that on to an interpretive software on a server somewhere. No browser is required.
Again Joe, a browser is just one type of interface. It is not the only interface people use to conduct business, science, hobby or project.
The browser is what most people are familiar with and so they call it the Internet. A browser is not the Internet. To prove it to yourself, go to your browser and click on file then open. Call up on your own computer an image file, a text file or whatever and you can see that in your browser.
There is no Internet required as the browser is an Interface that allows you to see these types of files.
When you access the Internet, your browser is the Interface that allows access to files and data stored at servers. Today these files and data are often compiled to make much quicker access. You wouldn’t be able to directly access the server where the data is stored because it is not accessible via your browser.
Most likely it wouldn’t be able to read any of the files or data because they are compiled and probably encrypted.
I use Visual Studio more than Dream Weaver as I need to control how content is accessed. This requires dot net scenarios as described by Microsoft so Web pages can be dynamically built upon the customer’s access to that page.
Anyways, now I want to write some code now that this topic has reminded me of it. BBL
I didn’t embarrass myself — I made a joke out of Kansas’ false garbage post. Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 10:29 PM
“And Kansas… if “a Browser is not the Internet”, please UNINSTALL all browsers from your computer(s). Thank you. :)”
Posted by: cosmos | October 12, 2007 at 04:19 PM
This folks, is what you call denial and then making up stuff like “Oh I was making a joke out of..blah blah…”
cosmos still doesn’t know, but pretend that he does.
He does the same with GW material. Copy and pasting from blogs and op eds instead of quoting real scientific data from peer reviewed reports.
cosmos is using political interpretation of scientific data which stated in more familiar terms is called propaganda.
To be more accurate, it is ideologically and politically motivated propaganda.
Therefore, cosmos is a propagandist and will use all of the tricks and dirty deeds of a propagandist to promote his ideology which is not science. It is skewed, politically motivated rhetoric.
Well! The new thing is VB.net and the dot net technology that Microsoft is coming out with.
I agree with you. I understand where you are coming from now.
I tell you what Kansas. If you are a good web developer. I need to get with you. I need your help in a project I’m working on.
The problem I’m having is the web browser compatibility problems with FireFox and IE. I thought those days were over when IE blew away Netscape back in those days. But with these Mozilla browsers, there is compatibility issues and I seem to have a hard time making them equal. And I think this has to do with CSS more than anything. I think Firefox can’t recognize some CSS coding or interprets differently.
Oh, I don’t develop web pages, I write content for them in forms of scripts or actual image content.
Not very good with CSS and yes I know the problems you are talking about with the different types of browsers.
There are blogs that talk about solving CSS problems and how to solve them. I gave up making Webpages a long time ago and leave that to the people that do that full time.
I’m on the geeky hidden behind the water cooler type of Internet wall. No one ever sees me or my name on the Internet. I’m the invisible man. :)
Kansas, what good would your server be without browsers? You’d be stuck with basic ftp. That limits transaction protocols (i.e. you need to access http://www.whatever.com to set up your account). And Visual Basic, when written as a program to interconnect with the internet, does so via a browser the writer creates.
Browsers are not just IE, Firefox, etc.,it’s any program designed to access the world wide web. The world wide web is the internet. What the internet was in 1980 is totally irrelevant.
Keep thinking that way J M Walker. In just a few short years, you won’t need no stinking browsers.
Wait and watch. :)
I can’t even use firefox anymore, firefox had an software update, so I downloaded the updates and the browser hasn’t and won’t pop up since then. I tried un-installing firefox, then downloaded a new firefox program from their website, and it still dosen’t work. I’ve had to go back to Exploerer which sucks, anybody have any ideas what my problem might be?
Actually the firefox browser pops up, it just always says “Server Not Found”
“The problem I’m having is the web browser compatibility problems with FireFox and IE.”
Posted by Joe Williams.
Joe, I haven’t done html coding for a couple of years, but I recommend O’Reilly’s book, ‘html & xhtml, The Definitve Guide’. It covers compatibility issues, and has many good suggestions re web pages.
I posted that Al Gore wrote and pushed the very important legislation,
‘Title I: High-Performance Computing and the National Research and Education Network’http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d102:SN00272:@@@L&summ2=m&
The troll Kansas, who does not seem to understand that Gore’s bill did MUCH more than fund the development of the important Mosaic browser, posted,
“cosmos does not understand that a Browser is not the Internet.”
Kansas’ post was as brain-dead STUPID as saying:
“… a router is not the Internet”"… a fiber-optic link is not the Internet”"… a computer is not the Internet”
and so on…
But “Kansas values” Kansas is too brain-dead stupid to realize that his post was very stupid.
Joe, I think you need to tell windows that Firefox is your default browser… Of course, you have most likely already done that, I would assume…
I didn’t read all the posts up thread, so forgive me if I am repeating points already made: although Jimmy Carter has never been accused of humility, please give him his due as a deserving winner of peace accords. His accomplishments are pretty astounding:
–Enigineered the treaty between Egypt and Israel (Sadat and Begin) that has NEVER been broken
–Established diplomatic relations with People’s Republic of China
–Started and still works for Habitat for Humanity International
–Through the Carter Center, has engaged in conflict mediation in Ethiopia and Eritrea (1989), North Korea (1994), Liberia (1994), Haiti (1994), Bosnia (1994), Sudan (1995), the Great Lakes region of Africa (1995-96), Sudan and Uganda (1999), and Venezuela (2002-2003).
–Founded the Carter Center. Actively guided by President Carter, the nonpartisan and nonprofit Center addresses national and international issues of public policy. Carter Center fellows, associates, and staff join with President Carter in efforts to resolve conflict, promote democracy, protect human rights, and prevent disease and other afflictions. Through the Global 2000 program, the Center advances health and agriculture in the developing world.
–Under his leadership The Carter Center has sent forty-five international election monitoring delegations to elections in the Americas, Africa, and Asia. These include Panama (1989), Nicaragua (1990), Guyana (1992), Venezuela (1998), Nigeria (1999), Indonesia (1999), East Timor (1999), Mexico (2000), China (2001), and Jamaica (2002).
Many have said that Carter is the most effective former president EVER. I personally wish he would be less inflammatory about Bush and Cheney; though correct, it cheapens the generally diplomatic status of the former presidency and sounds too partisan. But that doesn;t change the fact that he is an amazing figure who was worked tirelessly and effectively to resolve conflicts around the world.–
Oh, and Jimmy still teaches Sunday School at his long-time church in Plains, Ga.
–Started and still works for Habitat for Humanity International======================
He didnt start it, but he has greatly contributed to its continuing presence in many nations… And he is a very good friend of the founder of Habitat…
I stand corrected–I thought he had beeb involved in co-founding, but not the case.
From Habitat’s website:
Jimmy Carter Work ProjectJimmy Carter’s involvement with Habitat for Humanity International began in 1984 …Each year, Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter give a week of their time—along with their construction skills—to build homes and raise awareness of the critical need for affordable housing. The JCWP is held at a different location each year, and attracts volunteers from around the world.
JCWP 2007 will be held Oct. 28 -Nov. 2, 2007 in Los Angeles, Calif.JCWP 2006 took place in Lonavala, India — Oct. 29-Nov. 3rd, 2006.
JCWP 2005 took place in Detroit and Benton Harbor, Mich., the week of June 19-24, 2005.
JCWP 2004 took place in two sites in Mexico—Puebla and Veracruz–Oct. 24-29, 2004,The Carters and more than 4,000 volunteers built 92 houses in Anniston, Ala., and LaGrange and Valdosta, Ga., during JCWP 2003.
The 2002 JCWP took place in Africa. One thousand houses were built in 18 countries, with the final 100 houses constructed in a five-day build in Durban, South Africa.
In 2001, JCWP built 136 houses at six sites across South Korea with more than 9,000 volunteers participating from around the world.Other recent JCWP builds have taken place in New York-Florida-Georgia (2000, 157 houses), the Philippines (1999, 293 houses) and Houston, Texas (1998, 100 houses).Older JCWP’s include: 1997, 1994-1996, 1990-1993, 1984-1989
Since leaving office, Carter has gained a reputation as a tireless champion for social justice. “Habitat has successfully removed the stigma of charity by substituting it with a sense of partnership,” Carter said. “The people who will live in the homes work side by side with the volunteers, so they feel very much that they are on an equal level.”
Econ and Max are right. Jimmy Carter deserves to be in the same dicsussion with Hitler and Mussolini.
(In that not-really-at-all sort of way.)
The reich-wing are so predictable, aren’t they.
Since they just can’t deal with their hated nemesis, Al Gore, winning the world’s premier prize, they degrade the discussion to “browsers vs. the internet” or how bad Jimmy Carter was.
Listen, I turn my computer on. When it hooks up to the internet, I post.
That’s all I care to know about how the internet works.
Kansas should work for Circuit City as one of their geek squad. At least then he’d be talking to people who give a damn.
“Keep thinking that way J M Walker. In just a few short years, you won’t need no stinking browsers.
Wait and watch. :)”
Posted by whatever.
But it is not the future, yet. Access to the internet requires browser technology now.
Hell, why not: In just a few short years, you won’t need no stinking cars; In just a few short years, you won’t need no stinking doctors; In just a few short years, you won’t need no stinking jobs. Easy to speculate, more difficult to make it reality.
‘Nobel Prize money benefits Palo Alto nonprofit Gore founded’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/10/13/MNR4SP5J8.DTL&type=politics
Some more experts that disagree with Al Gore:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22579885-663,00.html
Paul Rosell
Right wingers don’t count as “experts”.
Econ101,
What you need, but do NOT have, is some credible climate science.
You cannot refute the science that human-added greenhouse gases are causing global warming.
‘Gray and Muddy Thinking about Global Warming’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/gray-on-agw/
‘Global Warming Takes Center StageWith Al Gore’s Victory, the Fight Against Global Warming Has Only Just Begun’http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/TenWays/story?id=3726389&page=1
“Michael Oppenheim[er], Princeton climatologist, said he is excited about the publicity but said the recognition is a long-time coming.
“Al Gore is absolutely unique,” Oppenheim[er] said. “He is unique among political leaders for having focused on this problem for almost 30 years.” In that time, the movement to fight global warming has evolved with Al Gore from what seemed a fringe liberal cause to a cause celebre around him. “
Next trophy for Al Gore! Time Magazine person of the year. Guaranteed.
Ralph Nader! The True Environmentalist.
Al Gore is no environmentalist. He is a Political Activist. Not an Environmentalist.
Al Gore new nickname should be the “No Plan Man!” Since he offers nothing for solutions to the Global Warming Doom that will kill us all.
Nah, the next accolade for Al Gore will win a Tony Award for “An Inconvenient Truth…On Ice!”
(No, wait a minute. That might not work what with the 2nd Act melt-down. I’ll get back to you on this one.)
See, the problem with these kinds of forums (fora?) is that participants always want to take sides. It was *Al Gore* who had his presidency stolen by a Republic Party-dominated SCOTUS who returned to the core issue of his lifetime of public service and had the courage and audacity to declare that America’s interest in fossil fuels might be less important than the ultimate survival of the planet.
How un-Republican of him!
My god! If Al Gore got his way, the profits of Halliburton might suffer!
Oh lord! If Al Gore got his way, Mobil/Exxon might have to take a cut in profits!
Heaven help us! If Al Gore got his way, 4,000 American troops might be alive today!
WHERE IS YOUR PATRIOTISM, REPUBLICANS?!?!
George WMD Bush’s Reign of Error has jacked up the National Debt from around $3 Trillion to over 10 Trillion Dollars. Tell me, all you so-called “conservatives,” how that makes any economic sense to you.
When Shrub took (literally) office, the Euro was worth 75 cents against the dollar. Now every Euro you own gets a buck-fifty. When Dumbya took office the Canadian “Loony” was a joke currency. Now it’s equal to the dollar. Just who is loony now?
Perhaps the ultimate irony is how George WMD Bush in a State of the Union address declared that America needs to wean itself from its addiction to oil. Then he expanded an unprovoked war in the Middle East solely motivated by (as Alan Greenspan has told us) his belief that those dirty brown people in Iran and Iraw just happen to be living on land above *our* oil.
There’s absolutely nothing “conservative” about today’s “conservatives.” Conservation, for starters.
Econ101,
In AIT, Gore only said “if” Greenland melted, etc, with NO time frame given.
Why does your “expert”(sic) Lomborg falsely claim that Gore told the world “to expect 20-foot sea-level rises over this century”?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/10/13/an_inconvenient_peace_prize/
Did Lomborg not watch Gore’s documentary? Is he trusting someone elses false claim, or is he deliberately lying?
“Since he offers nothing for solutions to the Global Warming Doom that will kill us all.”
Posted by: Joe Williams
Joe Williams obviously has not watched Gore’s documentary.
Some solutions,http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/
Gore’s intro in his AIT book: “I also want to convey my strong feeling that what we are facing is not just a cause for alarm, it is paradoxically also a cause for hope.As many know, the Chinese expression for “crisis” consists of two characters side by side. The first is the symbol for “danger” the second the symbol for “opportunity”. ”
More solutions,http://www.climateprotect.org/explore
Will Little Al claim that he invented wind mills just as he claimed to have done with the Internet?
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
‘The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award: Former Vice President Al Gore’http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/specialwin.php
“Setting the record straight on one of recent history’s most persistent political myths, The Webby Awards will present Former Vice President Al Gore with The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award in recognition of the pivotal role he has played in the development of the internet over the past three decades. Vint Cerf, widely credited as one of the “fathers of the internet,” will present Vice President Gore with the award.”
‘INVENTING INVENTED THE INTERNET! No one said Boo about Gore’s remark. Then, the RNC spin-points arrived:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml
Cheating Is, is not Unacceptable!
A higher energy price is a sacrifice we have to make for cleaner fuels