You say you are pro life.

PROVE IT.

Stand for repeal of welfare “reform” Stand for national health care.

Is it yours?

Pretty weak. Not worthy of you.

Those are your words.

When you set the unrealistic standard of what being pro-life means and then try to apply it to others of course they are not pro life.

I say I am Pro-Life.

I am not Pro-Life by your judgements and conditions.

You are not pro life.

You are “pro life” based on your own judgements and conditions.

As with your father, your arguement fails when you bring “crap” to it.

Once again with your crap.

YOU think that supporting life after abortion means having to support welfare and national health care.

I don’t.

So enough with your saying I support life provisionally.

You base that on YOUR qualifications on what supporting life is. Which in my opinion is total BS.

One either supports life or not.

You support life provisionally.

“beyond the scope of abortion”

your words.

Your focus and the extent of your comittment to pro life,

It is pointing out the fallacy of your statements.

Who said anything about being truly Pro-Life?

This topic is about abortion.

I do believe in the sanctitiy of life though.

You have a very narrow view of what being Pro-Life is beyond the scope of abortion. I don’t agree with it.

And I followed him there.

And here we still are.

Nathan do you not understand that to be truly pro life you have to be pro life beyond the womb?

You just made the topic us and not the topic.

I know you are instinctively defensive Nathan. Try to get past that.

YOU want abortion limited or gone. Maybe by legal fiat. You do not say.

I would like abortion unneccessary by a truly pro life society.

Here as on every thread Nathan, I am trying to understand and work with you.

I am merely pointing out that you seem to have a fixation on making things about the poster rather than discussing the topic.

When you attempt to set up your straw man argument by making statements about me which I have not said then that puts me on the defensive.

Then you sit here asking why I am on the defensive.

Are you really that incapable of seeing what you are doing?

Why?

I have my definition of pro life and you have yours. You seem to need to justify yourself to me.

Why?

Benjamin Franklin: “The sting in any rebuke is the truth”

I don’t like abortion Nathan. No one does. But I learned to look to cause and not effect. This was also your loss on the conceal carry teachers thread.

Open your mind.

Since we are taking the words literally instead of as terms used to describe our stance on abortion…

Since you seem to have a completely different definition of what Pro-life is that is your problem not mine.

Fine, I am not Pro-Life. I am against abortion.

Whatever you want to call it, my stance is that abortion is wrong.

All you crap about trying to say I am a hypocrite is just that. The typical JR more interested in labeling me and making this about me rather than actually debating the issue.

Here I thought you finally got it in the concealed carry for teachers thread.

Guess not.

You are a hypocrite because you are not truly pro life.

If you were, you would be in favor of government support for women with child. You would also be in favor of national health care.

You Nathan, by your posts here, are pro fetus.

It is a matter of perspective and semantics to be sure. I cannot square forcing a woman to carry a baby to term in a society that does not support her and her decision and her and her child. You concern yourself only with the pre partum fetus.

THAT is hypocrisy.

Ive asked you once to explain why I am a hypocrite.

I’ll ask you again.

How am I a hypocrite?

One which has been made before but needs to be reiterated more.

The epethet “pro-abortion” is a rhetorical device the anti-rights faction uses to demonize those of us who advocate the rights of a woman to choose what happens inside her body.

In fact, no one is “pro-abortion” anymore than someone is “pro-amputation.” But sometimes amputation is the only choice.

The bottom line in every abortion rights debate is that women are second-class citizens and cannot be allowed to determine what happens in their bodies. Anti-choice legislation constitutes the most sexist, authoritarian, and oppressive state policy imaginable.

That’s hardly “conservative.”

If it weren’t for me, they’d 1. Starve or eat spoiled food, 2. Get bad doses of medication if they got them at all, 3. Be bedridden some of the time laying in wet clothes and feces.

I want to know. I’ve spent 50 hours with them this week on top of my jobs, on top of my kids. If I’m the one who values life so little, where the F*** is everyone else?

See, I can play this game too.

I could go farther and say that I’m pro- quality of life….as I want women to choose when to have their babies at a time when they can provide good life.

So when did you become a supporter of the culture of death and despair?

Pro-choice is choice….I don’t tell women they have to get abortions. I say that option needs to be available to them legally. NOBODY is pro-abortion.

I wasn’t being coy. I went to sleep and you got MORE defensive.

I’m sorry if it hurts you to face your own hypocrisy. It’s really very simple. You are either pro life or you are not.

I was once “pro life”. I could not sqaure that with most “pro lifers” attitudes as to the poor and disadvantaged. Thus my switch.

Were you ever pro choice?