In a New York Times commentary, self-described “fervent pro-lifer” Eric Johnston makes an interesting argument that pro-choice, nonreligious Rudy Giuliani could be the means to a U.S. Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade: “Only a constitutionalist who supports abortion rights can create an anti-Roe majority by explaining that the end of Roe means letting the people decide, state by state, about abortion.”
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Yeah, a candidate who supports Federal funding of abortions is a threat to Roe vs Wade.
Give me a break Eagle. Your Liberal Socialist Democrat agenda is showing – again.
Next your gonna write about Rudy raising taxes, which is just as likely as Rudy getting Roe vs Wade overturned.
you’re so overly impressed when bush tells you how he cut taxes for the rich.
at the same time he wastes $12,000,000.00 an hour in iraq.
at your home, would it be smart to spend $25,000.00 a week when you earn $2,000.00 a week?
Max, as a neo-con buddy, and someone younger than you, may I suggest you learn to relax before you have a heart event.
Max, maybe you need a Maxi-Pad.I think it is your time hon.
“Your Liberal Socialist Democrat agenda is showing – again.”
Danger!!! MadMax is on the loose again labeling those with different views than his own as “Liberal Socialist Democrat”. All you labeled people should be made aware that you are now marked, and will now be unable to hold down jobs, raise kids, vote, buy any item made in America, drive on city streets, get a library card, eat at fast food restaurants or listen to CNN.
Dang: I’m a scared man!
That is about the dumbest thing I ever heard. Roes is not going to be overturned. Even Supreme Court justices that don’t agree with earlier decsions almost always respect precedents that the nation has come to rely on. That is why they upheld the Miranda rule last year even though several justices disagreed with it. There is no way in hell that the court is going to cause the political and social unrest that would certainly follow a wholesale overturning of such a monumental landmark ruling. In fact, I almost wish they would try some crap like that. It would certainly hasten the demise of the Republican Party!
I am not as confident that Roe would another conservative appointment to the S.Ct. But with the Democrats in control – and hopefully will remain in control after Nov 2008 – future S.Ct. appointments will have a more difficult time being confirmed in the Senate.
Oh, Max? Yoohoo…
As I recall, Congressman Tiahrt gets The Eagle’s endorsement in every election. Are you saying old Toddster’s a socialist?
Roe will not stand if another neocon judge gets put on the bench, Kev. It’s questionable if it would remain with the group we have now. Even those on the front lines of the choice movement know this. And we already have a plan in place IF that happens.
“There is no way in hell that the court is going to cause the political and social unrest that would certainly follow a wholesale overturning of such a monumental landmark ruling”
Like when they overturned Brown Vs Board of Ed…
Like when the Republicans removed Habeus Corpus?
I almost think sometimes we need to lose the rights we have and see the fallout once again. People born since Roe was ok’d don’t know what it was like before…they take it for granted that they’ll always have the freedom to choose. They haven’t lost a friend, they haven’t seen the bad things that will come.
Rudy will be Rudy’s undoing.
“the end of Roe means letting the people decide, state by state, about abortion.”
A-FREAKIN-MEN !!!
Dang, what a concept. If you are pro-choice, live here. Pro-life, live there.
No brainer.
Israel gives Rudy Giuliani their highest rating and Rudy is so used to sucking-up to the New York Zionists, no wonder why, as he will be giving Israel the key to our Treasury and our military to attack Iran.
Rudy Giuliani is, by far, the most dangerous treasonous turncoat we have to offer Israel, as he probably edges-out Israel-first Joe Lieberman.
“But with the Democrats in control – and hopefully will remain in control after Nov 2008 – future S.Ct. appointments will have a more difficult time being confirmed in the Senate.”
Oh PUL-EEEEEEZE!!!
We SAW what a brave fight they put up with Alito and Roberts. They didnt even use the tools they had then, why would we think they would use the tools they have now?
Tweedle dumb and tweedle dee. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
But next time, the dems will get’em. Really. They really, really, REALLY mean it this time!
::big eye roll::
All is well though for the anti abortion crowd. Phil has announced he isn’t going to run again for Johnson County attorney or any office.
Full-time with Operation Rescue maybe?
Wonder what he has lined up.
Maybe an orange jumpsuit Dennis?
Whatever happened to the investigation of his misuse of church money?
Or his unlawful release of medical records to fux news?
I think philllllll would look quite fetching in orange…
“Rudy is so used to sucking-up to the New York Zionists,..”
ed- Rudy hasn’t seen the light like you and I have. Damn dirty Jews! Christ killers! Money lenders!
I love the smell of orange jumpsuits in the morning…
It’ll never happen. He’ll skate.
Unfortunately.
But….we can hope
“constitutionalist”
Well we certainly know who’s not going to get repub nomination.
Roe is bad law.
It will, eventually, be overturned.
Doe V. Bolton is actually as big a problem as Roe V. Wade.
They will BOTH be overturned.
It might take awhile, but these laws/rulings do NOT meet the standard requirements for honoring “precendent.”
They are NOT widely accepted.
They do NOT meet modern needs. (There is no clear cut “trimester” demarkation, for instance.)
Anyway, the radicals on both sides of this issue don’t really want Roe to go.
Putting this issue BACK into the political process is the ONLY way it will ever go away.
The radicals on the right want a Human Life Amendment with no exceptions. I should qualify that, the radicals on the right will be happy with nothing LESS than an Human Life Amendment.
The radicals on the Left, who keep telling us that there is a “Pro-Choice Majority” will have to sell underage third-trimested taxpayer funded abortions without parental knowledge or consent.
Tough sell, on both sides.
Change is comming.
KFG – you left out one important fact from your latest rant about the Democrats in the Senate. When ALito and Roberts were confirmed, the Democrats were NOT in control of the Senate calendar.May I assume that you need me to PROVE that statement?
No Kelly, I know they didnt have a MAJORITY in the house or senate. But, as I pointed out, they didnt even use the tools AVAILABLE to them. They rolled over like the corporatist dogs they are.
And in case you havent noticed, that dog doesnt hunt very well these days.
So, if you dont have a majority, you just sit on your hands and whine?
Funny, that’s not what DEMOCRATS say now days. They blame the minority repukes for everything. I guess the repukes in the minority are just smarter and harder working than the democrats were in THEIR minority days?
I guess that is why the repukes are sucessful at throwing a monkey wrench in everything. When the dems were the minority, they greased the freakin’ WHEELS for bushco.
And they still are…
habeus corpus anyone?
So kelly, do you ever apply critical thinking to what the democrats say and do?
Or do you just think blind party loyalty will do for you?
And that would make you different from the thirty percenter republicans, um, how?
Hey, Ed, do you think that Hillary and the Osama Obama are any less pro zionist entity than rudy?
JOIN THE GNOSTIC LIBERATION FRONT TODAY!!
You’re a joke, KFG. I am quite satisfied with my analysis.
…just like the DLC…
“blind party loyalty”
True dat. Way too much of it these days.
Kelly,
How long did it take you to analyze….. nothing?
Heh, Sol.
Talking points are talking points, whether from the left or the right.
But whining about when dems were the minority, and then whining that repubs just have too much power when THEY are in the minority is, well…
PRICELESS!!!!!!
KFG – I agree with your analyst. You cannot make decisions as elected officials based only on party affiliation.
When ALL voters finally wake up to who is really running this country we may not have a vote any longer. Big oil, big pharma, big military / industrial complex, CORPORATIONS have bought our politicians without many of us (WE THE PEOPLE) seeming to notice or care.
Kansas Gnostic
Obama might slip one to the Israelis as they have him last on their preferred choice list, while Giuliani is right-up-there-on-top.
Giuliani is the Zionist’s “First-Boy” and Hillary is their “Second-Boy” Pantsuits and all }.
Giuliani looked like he was going to kill an interviewer as the man critiqued Israel.
fleettwood, even your sweat stinks, you worry too much { it’s funny watching you change tactics }.
ed-I’m with you buddy.
Kill ‘em all!!
Great post Linda!
Ditto Linda
Whether your conservative (no mayo) or liberal (lots a mayo) those guys ain’t giving you nothing but lettuce anyhow.
Yeah. Where’s the beef?
When ALL voters finally wake up to who is really running this country we may not have a vote any longer. Big oil, big pharma, big military / industrial complex, CORPORATIONS have bought our politicians without many of us (WE THE PEOPLE) seeming to notice or care.
Posted by: lindainks55 | September 20, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Oh yes lindainks55, remember that next time you step up to a voting booth. Your vote doesn’t count.
I detect arm flailing and hysteria here.
Oh yes lindainks55, remember that next time you step up to a voting booth. Your vote doesn’t count.
I detect arm flailing and hysteria here.
Posted by: Kansas | September 20, 2007 at 02:11 PM
It doesn’t. Only your right to do so counts.
Just ask the Florida voters in 2000
Just ask the Florida voters in 2000
Posted by: KnutKase | September 20, 2007 at 02:40 PM
Which was proven by several independent News Paper researching the votes that Bush indeed won the Florida vote.
Never, never, never trust a RINO. Abolition now.
Parkay – When the GOP nominated a “RINO” will you vote third-party?
Which was proven by several independent News Paper researching the votes that Bush indeed won the Florida vote.
Posted by: Kansas | September 20, 2007 at 02:46 PM
This is true for the tally of votes THEY COUNTED. Not all actual votes were counted. The independent reports are speculations on what was probable, but not actually counted.
When Dan Rather called Gore the winner in Florida, the long lines of Republicans standing in lines ready to vote in the panhandle of Florida went home without voting.
Had it not been for Dan Rather, there would have been a clear victory for Bush in Florida.
Had we all known what Bush was, he’d be hanging from a tree in Florida.
Can’t you just see Bush slowly twisting from a Palm Tree silhouetted against a night sky?
Priceless.
“Dang, what a concept. If you are pro-choice, live here. Pro-life, live there. No brainer.”
So, if you’re a woman and you want your civil rights- live somewhere outside of America.
Don’t you realize that the anti nuts will target anyplace that allows abortion?
Where are all the anti-organizations stationed?
You know, I get aggravated that the Dems don’t do enough too, but they’re still more in line with my beliefs and I’m not going to bitch at them all the time because they don’t always toe my beliefs.
So why, KFG, do you keep shooting yourself in the foot with the party that MOSTLY supports your beliefs by constantly putting them down?
Yes, complain, but don’t dis the whole.
“”"”the end of Roe means letting the people decide, state by state, about abortion.”
A-FREAKIN-MEN !!!
Dang, what a concept. If you are pro-choice, live here. Pro-life, live there.
No brainer.”"”
We are not going back to the days when poor and working class women were forced to have babies while the upper class women would fly off to New York and get an abortion. That will NOT happen.
“”"”Roe will not stand if another neocon judge gets put on the bench, Kev. It’s questionable if it would remain with the group we have now. Even those on the front lines of the choice movement know this. And we already have a plan in place IF that happens.”"”"
You need not worry. While Roe may be chiped away at the fundamental right is going nowhere. It will never be overturned by any court. Not unless you get 5 Clarence Thomas’ which is not likely since most people know he is about the dumbest person to ever wear a robe (besides Klan members anyway).
KevClarence Thomas is far smarter than you.(Or me, for that matter.)
Roe was poorly decided.
If we have a “pro choice majority” why do we even need Roe?
Roe will be overturned.
That will NOT make abortion illegal.
It will simply start the process of making abortion law more rational.