Even as Hillary Clinton’s Democratic presidential nomination flirts with inevitability, a question nags: Do Americans really want a quarter century of nothing but Bush or Clinton administrations?
Asked Wednesday by ABC News’ Charles Gibson about the “Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton” issue, Bill Clinton said his wife would have to win on her own merits and shouldn’t be disqualified because she’s married to him, concluding: “No, dynasties are not good for America, but it wouldn’t be good for America to eliminate someone in consideration, because of what their last name was.”
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Regardless of who is elected President in 2008, it’s a slam-dunk that George WMD Bush has taken the name Bush out of the dynasty cycle, due to his incompetence and mismanagement of government, his abuse of the Constitution, and his sheer ignorance.
Imagine what it must be like to be Jeb Bush — the *competent* son — to see his idiot brother ruin all of Jeb’s political potential.
As for Senator Clinton’s contribution to a potential “dynasty,” it’ll be up to Chelsea to make it happen, one way or another.
But it’s not — as we learned from this week’s debate — as if a President Hillary Clinton would be a seamless continuation of her husband’s eight years of peace and prosperity. She’s her own woman and, if elected, will run the country her way, not necessarily Bill’s way.
There’s an old joke from about ten years ago: Bill and Hillary are in a limo in the backwoods of Arkansas and the motorcade stops at a gas station to refuel. When the grease monkey comes to the presidential limo he looks inside and sees Hillary.
“Hillary!” he says, “Remember me? I’m Jake! Your old boyfriend!”
And Hillary and Jake share old memories and the motorcade continues on. Bill Clinton says, “Just imagine where you’d be today if you had married Jake.”
Hillary says, “If I’d married Jake, *you* would be pumping gas.”
Senator Clinton isn’t my first choice to be the Democratic nominee for President, but I’m confident she’s up to the job. And realistically, she’s a frontrunner largely due to the political organization that’s built on her husband’s stellar legacy of eight years of peace and prosperity.
The ship of state is one big mo-fo of a historical ocean liner. It takes a while to turn it around. And whomever becomes President in 2009 is gonna inherit all sorts of consequences of George WMD Bush’s reign of error.
Even if Hillary had married Jake, she’s got what it takes to get America back on track to what America is supposed to be: the land of the free and home of the brave.
And, if she’s elected, we’d be assured of a president who wouldn’t say, “Childrens can learn” with a straight face.
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I agree with Bill, Hillary is the best person for this job, regardless of her last name. But it will and does make a difference. I agree wtih LTP, the name has certainly ruined Jeb’s chances. I think Bush pretty much ruined it for any republicans. Ok, that’s not entirely true, they did a lot to hurt themselves by continuing to support him.
Maybe we should consider ourselves lucky that maybe George has ruined it for Jeb. From what I’ve read, Jeb’s worst then George.
I think Hillary will be a fine president. If she uses the same economic advisors as her husband, maybe the U.S. will return to some economic sanity!
Hillary has no chance of winning.
Ok, she has a small chance of winning if she can somehow overcome the 49% of the voting population that would rather vote for ANYONE other than Hillary.
Curiously, what has she done that qualifies her for the job? What meaningful legislation has she introduced in the Senate?
I don’t like it….I mean her.
This just smells wrong. Two families holding the White House for nigh on to 30 years. Plus? The right hates her too much. I don’t mean their mindless drones like goofnut. I mean the instigators like talk radio. It feels way too Brer RFabbit and the Briar patch for my liking. I mean the woman started out as a freaking Goldwater girl.
In Kansas? My vote won’t mattter anyway. But if it is Hillary for the Dems, I’ll vote Green.
Perhaps it’s larger question” How do we get a clean election?
And once elected, keeping those members from being intimidated into going against the American People { the stench of AIPAC is in the air }.
I don’t see how the 2004 election could have been anything except rigged.
There is always a bit a fraud in every election, but the one that put GW back into the White House takes the cake.
And now the 06 election, which put the Dem’s in charge only to see an increase in “war” funding, additional troops, no repeal of the “patriot” Act, and 50,000 marauding Blackwater thugs committing genicide in Iraq, means our chain is being pulled.
Hillary would make a fine president and it is high time for a woman to be there. Women don’t take any crap and will get the job done. Her husband’s presidency were some of the best yrs this country has had. We would be back to peace and prosperity for all, not just the super rich. Taxes would be made fair again, with the rich paying their fair share. There just is no intelligent choice for President than a democrat, after what we have been through the last 8 yrs, and there are several fine candidates running, which any of them would be a good President.
I’m still waiting for “Her Royal Thighness” Clinton to explain how she turned $1000 into $100,000 in one year with cattle futures.
Inquiring minds want to know.
… probably the same way that Bush ran an oil company to the verge of bankruptcy and sold it at a huge profit to his friends in Saudi Arabia,
Going bankrupt and selling property/equipment/oil leases are not tied together with the conclusion that if one is bankrupt, the property is worthless.
It’s why companies liquidate if they go into financial debt.
Your house doesn’t lose market value if you declare bankruptcy.
There is no logical tie between the two.
I agree! People shouldn’t be out of the running for President because of their last name or who they are married to or their family circle.
But those same candidates shouldn’t be voted on strictly because of the family connections either.
Now it’s easy to say and it sounds all good that ex-President Clinton says that wife Wife stands on her own merit and the Democratic pundits say they same thing to. But the majority of the Democratic voters who are going to vote for her are going to vote for her strictly because of her last name. In fact, they believe they are voting in William Clinton again.
But I agree with ex-President Clinton. That his wife is on her own. She is quite a bit different than her husband in ideologies, view points, and policy. They have a lot in common that they share, but there is quite a bit difference, especially on economic policy. ex-President Clinton was a free-market capitalist. Hillary is not. There are quite a bit more examples that Hillary is much different from her husband. But for you Democrats that think that Hillary will be just like Bill, you have it wrong.
The Republicans do it too. Both parities vote on family names. Kennedy, Bush, Gore and on and on.
While I think that Hillary Clinton would make an OK President, because she’s intelligent, schooled in law, access and experienced in the political system, and very well politically trained.
I however, unless she convinces me otherwise by the General Election of next year, will not vote for her, because I find a couple of other candidates running for the position to be much more capable, experienced, knowledgeable and personable than Hillary. They are just much better suited for the job as President than Hillary is.
At least we don’t have to worry about Hillary’s 24-7 leadership. We know she will not be giving blow jobs in the Lincoln bedroom during the workday.
Today’s twelve year old’s could be fighting war in Iraq. I cannot believe the top three, including Clinton will not make a commitment to withdrawing our troops! This is ludicrous! They promised during the last election they would bring the troops home.
Maybe I need to find whatever candidate will end this nonsense and the killing. Folks this will not WAIT until 2013. The protests are here now.
First she is for the war, then against it, then for, then against. Now she says 2013. Probably because she has visions on the NEXT election. Four more years.
(smiles at the Libs for being so gullible)
I don’t know what you are smiling about Kansas. Which of your candidates, if elected will end the war now?
Maybe you like to think about today’s twelve year olds dying in a prolonged war in Iraq?
Closet Lib! So does, in the span of 3 months when 800,000 people were slaughtered in Rwanda count?
William Clinton did nothing and his administration refused to even call it a Genocide. Because if they did, they would be compelled to act. So they didn’t call it a genocide.
If you’re against the Iraq War and want the troops home now. Good luck! Because Hillary isn’t going to pull them out and we are in Iraq for a long, long time.
You r busto,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto“A friend of the Bush family, Philip Uzielli, invested $1 million in 1982 in exchange for a 10% stake in the company, at a time when the whole company was valued at less than $400,000. As it neared financial collapse again in September 1984, …”More at link.
Hillary giving a presentation on her health care program. Question from the audience “Will it cover treatment for STDs?”
“Sit down Bill”
Maybe you like to think about today’s twelve year olds dying in a prolonged war in Iraq?
Posted by: Closet Lib | September 29, 2007 at 12:34 PM
My my, your statement certainly comes out as dramatic doesn’t it.
I’m sorry, but the drama department is just down the hall and to the left.
ha! to the left! Joke! lol! (snickers)
If someone waved a magic wand and made me President of the United States tomorrow, I’d nationalize the nation’s airlines and airlift every last American out of Iraq. I’m sure there would be some dire consequences, but I’d get us out of that illegal, immoral war and then start to deal with the aftermath.
That’s probably as good an argument as any why I shouldn’t be President of the United States. The President of the United States (unlike the current occupant of the Oval Office) should consider and plan for the consequences of his/her actions. George WMD Bush didn’t consider the consequences of his unilateral unprovoked war against Iraq and look where it’s got us.
One of the earliest stories that came from the first days of the first Clinton Administration had to do with what they found after George HW Bush left office. That was the “It’s the economy, stupid,” election, you will recall.
I think it was George Stephanopoulos, I think, who said, “When we got into office we discovered the economy was in even worse shape than we ever imagined!”
Given the Shrub Administration’s record of deception, evasion, distortion, and mendacity, there’s a highly likely chance that whomever takes office on January 20, 2009 is gonna find an even bigger mess than any of us can imagine.
As a matter of practical politics, I think the Democratic candidates should promise to do as I would do and bring every American out of Iraq within forty-eight hours. Once they get in office and find out they can’t, well, it’ll be early in their administration and they’ll have four years to figure out something. But the difference between Democratic and Republic Party candidates is Democrats represent the reality-based community.
That is all LTPFTL?
Just get the troops out of Iraq? What else?
I say don’t stop there. Remove them from every county in the world that they are in and bring them back home.
Then what?
Two words on airlifting 160,000 with equipment in 48 hours.
PIPE
DREAM
It can be done. All you have to do is get every airliner in the world to participate. Pay them $10 million a plan load.
It will take about 450 planes to do it.
Feasible.
Maybe Joe, but the Air Traffic Control problems and the logistics of utilizing one Air Base in Baghdad would be the most significant limiting factor.
I remember the cargo and personnel carriers during the first Gulf Wars were “busting hump” 24/7 and it took them months. That was with leased 747 cargo haulers too.
Then there is some equipment that just doesn’t fit on aircraft and has to be moved out on ocean going vessels which requires trans-country trucking (which is a hazard with in itself.)
“Kansas” — Screw the equipment. We’ll build more.
“Joe Williams” — You sorta didn’t get LTP’s point, did you? Under the premise of his post, he became President of the United States tomorrow by the wave of a magic wand. And not considering the “then what?” question exactly addressed the Democratic candidates’ diffidence to promising a *total pull-out* of American troops by 2013.
I wish the Democrats were better liars. Lying, after all, has worked so well for Republic Party candidates.
Ah MonkeyHawk, true to form.
All rhetoric and nothing to back it up.
That’s why the candidates for the Democratic Party are having difficulty now.
The used campaign rhetoric to get their “jobs,” but when it comes down to the realities of performance on the job, they are suddenly figuring out they have to be realists and not make up “stuff” as they go along.
Welcome to the adult world of reality.
Curiously, what has she done that qualifies her for the job? What meaningful legislation has she introduced in the Senate?
Posted by: KSGolfnut
Funny thing, Nuttie, what meaningfuly legislatins has Guiliani, Rommey, McCain or Thompson has introduced in the Senate?
If you want to go by that measure, then McCain would be the ONLY one in the Senate that ever did anything. But now McCain has bent over backwards to kiss Bush’s ass, so not even many Republicans are supporting him anymore.
And Thompson, what has he ever done besides his television and Hollywood days? And wasn’t the mantra of the Republican Party that Hollywood is nothing but liberals and homosexuals? Why would you trust Thompson when he has had more years in Hollywood than he has in Washington, DC?
You mean like that “hayseed” Governor from Arkansas earning 28,000/year? You know, that “Bill” guy. :)
Oh I didn’t know your country cousin was the governor of
Arkansas earing 28,000/yr. But I wonder, did he still make more than you?
Bill Clinton and I related? Probably not and yes, at one time I made less than 28,000. :)
Ok, she has a small chance of winning if she can somehow overcome the 49% of the voting population that would rather vote for ANYONE other than Hillary.
Curiously, what has she done that qualifies her for the job? What meaningful legislation has she introduced in the Senate?
Posted by: KSGolfnut
FUNNY YOU ASK.
WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS THE PRESIDENT ALL YOU NUTTY CLOSET RIGHT WING HOMOS SAID…
HILLARY REALLY RAN THE COUNTRY.
YOU’RE SO FREAKIN DUMB, NO WONDER THE US IS GETTING SCREWED DAILY BY GEO JR, CHENEY, RUMMY, TENENT ETC.
realities of performance on the job, they are suddenly figuring out they have to be realists and not make up “stuff” as they go along.
Welcome to the adult world of reality.
Posted by: Kansas
LOLIT’S AMAZING A REPUKE WOULD WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REALISM IN REALITY ETC.
weeeeelet’s see, darn where to start.
no wmd’s in iraq?
tenent knew?
powell got screwed by bush/rove/cheney? that will teach powell to trust a christian white guy again.
clean air laws = less clean air?
mine safety = bush makes a mine lobbyist head of mine safety?
nclb = totally screwed up schools = vouchers for christian schools?
family first, moral majority, family values republicans found in city park restrooms in the middle of the night, republicans found in airport restrooms cruisin for homo paid sex?
the reality of repuke reality is $200 trillion wasted in the wrong country, 30000 dead and wounded kids for… ????
oh, right, for george’s reality.
We Dem men like Hillary because she is strong and bossy. Like our Moms. We are not very manly ourselves, so we like the idea of being ruled by an otherwise unqualified woman.
when rudy was begging the gay nra for support his cell rang and it was…
holy cow boys it’s a family values moment…it was rudy’s 3rd or 4th wife just callin to say hi honey.
laughable how rudy spun it so his wife who must have zero clue about where he is, or what ruby is doing on any given day was just callin to say howdy cowboy.
why would rudy stop speakin to ANSWER HIS CELL PHONE ??
it’s because of…911911911… !!!
see, everything rudy does is because of…911911911… !!!
rudy was mayor of new york city on…911911911… !!!
rudy totally screwed the rescue workers rosponding to…911no waitrudy was 911.
so back to the larry craig homo’s in the nra.do they love rudy cause he’s a big flip flopper on gun issues, or cause he likes wearin a dress?
rudy blows,
That’s some funny-ass sh*t ya got thar ’bout Rudy, ah tell yew WUHT…
I think Hillary will be a fine president. If she uses the same economic advisors as her husband, maybe the U.S. will return to some economic sanity!
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | September 29, 2007 at 08:00 AM
Is it possible for you libs, especially the women to even think? The “good” economy of the 1990’s was the result of greenspan keeping the monetary spigot wide open, the excess liquidity inflated the stock and housing bubbles and creating the illusion of prosperity. It was a fraud and unsustainable and the fraud clintion merely benefitted from greenspan’s monetary shennanigans!
Just stick to your faggy slogans and stop trying to think.