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Open thread 9/9
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Sept. 9, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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To some, I guess, it must be comforting to know that Sedgwick County’s three holdover county commissioners, DAVE UNRUH, TOM WINTERS AND TIM NORTON are firmly committed to providing for the ENTERTAINMENT NEEDS of Sedgwick County citizens.
These county commissioners are seeing that some $300,000,000.09 of the citizen’s hard-earned tax money is being wasted on the new unwanted, unneeded white elephant, albatross downtown ice hockey arena.
In most counties across America, county commissioners devote their time to building and repairing the county roadways, expanding the county’s storm and sanitary sewers and treatment plants, inspecting and repairing the county’s deteriorating concrete and steel bridges and overpasses, providing sheriff’s patrol to protect the security, solving the homeless situation, upgrading county facilities, etc.
Of course, without available tax funds, most of these regular needs are not being met by county government.
SO, THANK YOU HOLDOVER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UNRUH, WINTERS AND NORTON FOR DEVOTING YOUR RESPECTIVE VISIONS EXCLUSIVELY TO OUR ENTERTAINMENT NEEDS AND DEFINITELY NOT TO THE NORMAL DAILY MUNDANE BUSINESS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
You know things are pretty screwed up when JEWS start a chapter of the NAZI Party in ISRAEL! Unbelievable! What next- blacks starting a chapter of the Klan down south?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_neo_nazis
http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/trailer.swf
I guess this morning I am trying to think out side the box, sometime ago I was of the mind that because the Shiites of Iraq bad been oppressed by Saddam they would be in total agreement with the Shiites of Iran.But it seem that one of the fatal fault of anything to do with Iraq is to assume that just because it makes sense to a western mind it will make sense to an Iraqis mind. Al-Qaeda is made up of Sunnis so it would be assumed that the Sunnis of Iraq would side with them. That has been proven to be wrong thinking that just because they are of the same church then they are of the same mindset.
So is it possible that though the Shiites of Iraq may welcome help and assistance from Iran, they would not want to be Iran West? To Al-Sadr’s credit in the past he has disagreed with Iran on different policies. One of the biggest points of disagreement is the location of the holy city of the Shiites. One holds it is the original city and the other holds the city that the religious base move to after being overran. This is the greatest point of contention between the Shiites of Iraq and Iran.
The Sunnis welcomed Al-Qaeda help when it came to fighting the occupation by the Crusaders, till Al-Qaeda started trying to enforce they hard line believes on the Iraqis. I wonder if the same is not true of the Shiites of Iraq?
“the Shiites of Iraq bad been oppressed by Saddam “Should read: the Shiites of Iraq had been oppressed by Saddam
Thompson Linked to Work for Libyans
A little over three years after Pan Am Flight 103 blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland, Fred D. Thompson provided advice to a colleague about one of his law firm’s new clients: The man representing the two Libyan intelligence officials charged in the terrorist bombing.
The involvement of Mr. Thompson, who worked part-time for Arent Fox as a lawyer and lobbyist from 1991 until shortly before his election to the Senate in 1994, never became public.
Thompson has faced questions about his work for two other Arent Fox clients. He initially denied working on behalf of a family planning group seeking to overturn an abortion counseling ban at federally financed clinics, but billing records showed that he spent nearly 20 hours on the matter. His work on behalf of Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the deposed Haitian leader — a phone call to John Sununu, then the White House Chief of Staff — has also become fodder for his rivals because of human-rights abuses during Mr. Aristide’s presidency.
….clients he brought into the firm, which included construction firms and a Texas chemical company embroiled in a case involving the illegal dumping of hazardous waste.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/politics/09thompson.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Oh, we have a real republican sweetheart here.
will Hillary Clinton protect us from these people instead of Alberto Gonzales?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/exclusive-us-st.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070808/NATION/108080088/1001
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070809/NATION/108090085/1001
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,358223,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/05/nterror405.xml
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-iraqis-bein.html
Fred Thompson is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a Visiting Fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, specializing in national security and intelligence.
AEI has emerged as one of the leading architects of the second Bush administration’s public policy.
More than twenty AEI alumni and current visiting scholars and fellows have served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government’s many panels and commissions.
Former United States Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz is a visiting scholar, and Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney and former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities, is a senior fellow.
Fred Thompson = ssdd = Bush
NEAH BAY, Wash. – An injured California gray whale was swimming out to sea Saturday after being shot with a machine gun off the western tip of Washington state, officials said.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20664162/from/RS.3/
Hey, we gotta respect tribal traditions.
Yes she will Catherine.
There should be a thread somewhere linked to the Eagle for Crowson cartoons.
He needs to start getting some feedback.
Does this exist somewhere? Anybody know?
Proudman, Crowson’s email adress is a link next to his photo.
???,
That is not the kind of feedback I’m looking for. An email can be ignored. A public posting is not so easy to ignore.
ProudMan,How about a letter to the editor? The Eagle has a hard time getting enough letters, so I’d think your chances of getting published would be pretty good.
Or, you could send an e-mail to Randy S requesting a thread here.
I thought Crowson’s cartoon today was excellent.
Since I basically like Crowson, I’m assuming that ProudMan wants to rag his a$$ about something.
Maybe the right-wingers can get him fired like they did Molly Ivins . . .
Pictures can speak a thousand words, and Crowson wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t making us think, and debate. If the truth hurts, well then . . .
Crowson is among the best in his field… Wichita would be a lot LESS without him… Keep the cartoons coming!!
GO CROWSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey PM, what’s the matter with posting it here? THIS is a public posting site.
Come on dude, post it here and send a LTTE. Then you’ll know how popular Crowson really is.
Truth. It’s not just for breakfast anymore…
Every candidate, on both sides, has sworn their loyalty to AIPAC and NOT the United States with the exception of Ron Paul.
Yet Tim Russert and Face The Nation never mentioned Ron Paul in all their interviews or discussions.
Which of the blogs.worst.posters had a letter in the newspaper today?
It doesn’t matter,Now that you mention it, any of those letters could have come from a blogger.
1. Which letter are you referring to?
2. Who’s “the blogs.worst.poster”?
Maybe the right-wingers can get him fired like they did Molly Ivins . . .
Guess that was way before my time. Can you fill me in?
will Hillary Clinton protect us from these people instead of Alberto Gonzales?……
I’m a little confused with your post. Are you saying that Gonzales kept us safe?
Multiple ?,I’ll assume you know who Ivins was. She used to be a syndicated Liberal columnist that was featured in the Wichita Eagle. They dropped her.
“Every candidate, on both sides, has sworn their loyalty to AIPAC and NOT the United States with the exception of Ron Paul.”
Are you so sure of that, Ed?
“Later that day, Dennis Kucinich made an appearance at Harvard, where he was asked the same question, the reason for removing the Iran provision. ‘AIPAC,’ I volunteered out loud. Kucinich looked my way and said, ‘Exactly.’ Again my chair almost failed to contain me.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh04172007.html
My humble advice to progressives–if you REALLY want to change things–give money to Paul AND Kucinich during the primaries.
Then prepare for the wild ride as the race inevitably narrows to the hand-picked “frontrunners.” Take your choice.
Good Point Rage. I love Dennis, but I could settle for Ron if he would just get off the “family values” crap.
XXX–Yes I do know who Molly was. So did the paper replace her column with another? Did the paper explain why?
“I love Dennis, but I could settle for Ron if he would just get off the ‘family values’ crap.”
Well, KFG, it’s not like either is likely to take the nomination.
For some time, I considered “strategic voting”–hell, Obama and Edwards seemed acceptable, and Richardson is popular in Arizona–but I see no reason to abandon democracy this early on.
“Well, KFG, it’s not like either is likely to take the nomination.”
True enough Rage. The corporatists wont have it and they control both parties and ALL the fundraising, not to mention the MSM.
Multiple ?,I don’t think they gave much of an explanation, but I think that was about the time they started Brent Castillio (somebody correct me if I’m mistaken on time line). Of course, that didn’t sit well with Liberals.
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm
“When Facism comes to America, it will come wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
Obama sold-out big-time to AIPAC and recited the entire “loyalty oath” point by point, war by war, billions to Israel, by billions to Israel.
Once a man has sold his honor, there’s really nothing left worth salvaging.
Ron Paul’s honor is NOT for sale, nor can it be bribed by power.
Ron Paul needs to be the next President of the United States and we all need him.
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Ooo ooo Dave Petraeus!
Ooo rock me Dave Petraeus!
What a sham. The White House is writing this non paper, unsubstantiated, distortion and then shilling it to the American people the day before Sept 11 in yet one more attempt to link that attack to bush’s goal of a permanent American garrison in Iraq.
Does anyone NOT feel their intellligenge insulted by this??
JR..Rage
Over 80% of the People of the United States are sickened by Bush’s being 100% dishonest, just like his Israeli buddies. The MSM isn’t allowed to say that Iraq is Israel’s war, despite how obvious it is.
Check this out:
“CHICAGO (AP) ? A DePaul University professor who has drawn criticism for accusing some Jews of improperly using the legacy of the Holocaust agreed Wednesday to resign immediately “for everybody’s sake.”University officials and political science professor Norman Finkelstein issued a joint statement announcing the resignation, which came as about a hundred protesters gathered outside the dean’s office to support him.Finkelstein was denied tenure in June after spending six years on DePaul’s faculty, and his remaining class was cut by DePaul last month.His most recent book, “Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History,” is largely an attack on Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz’s “The Case for Israel.” In his book, Finkelstein argues that Israel uses the outcry over perceived anti-Semitism as a weapon to stifle criticism.Dershowitz, who threatened to sue Finkelstein’s publisher for libel, urged DePaul officials to reject Finkelstein’s tenure bid.Finkelstein, the son of Holocaust survivors, said in the statement that he believes the tenure decision was “tainted” by external pressures, but praised the university’s “honorable role of providing a scholarly haven for me the past six years.”The school denied that outside parties influenced the decision to deny Finkelstein tenure. The school’s portion of the statement called Finkelstein “a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher.”Finkelstein called that acknowledgment the most important part of the statement.”I felt finally I had gotten what was my due and that maybe it was time, for everybody’s sake, that I move on,” he said at a news conference that followed a morning rally staged by students and faculty who carried signs and chanted “stop the witch hunt.”Finkelstein said, “DePaul students rose to dazzling spiritual heights in my defense that should be the envy of and an example for every university in the United States.”The professor would not discuss financial terms of the resignation agreement, which he said was confidential, but noted that it does not bar him from speaking out about issues that concern him, including “the unfairness of the tenure process.”He also said he doesn’t know what he’ll do next, but came to realize before Wednesday “that the atmosphere had become so poisoned that it was virtually impossible for me to carry on at DePaul.”Dozens of supporters wearing T-shirts that read: “We Are All Professor Finkelstein” wondered about the long-term affects on the school.”I think there’s just going to be a long standing sentiment of an injustice here,” said Thomas Bellino, a 22-year-old student who has taken classes from Finkelstein. “I used to consider the president of DePaul, Father (Dennis) Holtschneider, sort of like a friend, someone who was aligned with my beliefs on academic freedom. But now I don’t think that anymore and I think much less of the administration.”
Heh heh
I’m ALWWAYS in the fight!
Even when I can’t be here.
Our own Hank was on the radio yesterday. At least I am fairly sure it was him. The facts, his opinion, and my memory of his voice fits.
Radio call in show. National health care for a topic.
Of course, Hank and all the usual listeners to this biased call in hopefully soon to be addressed by the Fairness Doctrine station were four square against national health care. I listened. I debated on calling in. When I heard Hank on the air I did call in. Of course, I was not given equal time and the host talked over me. But I was there.
Maybe we do TV next.
The last I heard JR there will be “NO” written report. The “REPORT” will be his opening statement before the committee. Think the GAO report that came out had anything to do with it?
We wouldn’t want anything on paper now would we? There’s that old plausible deniability. Sheesh. bush post presidential library will contain his coloring books maybe.
Ya know? I don’t care how you stand on Iraq or bush. But we all should be concerned about what is happening to our military and civil command structure. The executive has to be accountable to someone.
JR The radio guys will ALWAYS talk over you, if you call in to disagree with them… And yes, we need a fairness doctrine of sorts, to put a stop to some of that nonsense…. especially when they just give away FREE radio time to their Right Wing Candidates — but never have on any of the opposition…
JR –
Do you have an e-mail account any more?
I want to tell you about an event coming up . . .
You can e-mail me by clicking on my nic-name and clicking again on “e-mail”.
You’d better e-mail me, JR. Otherwise I’ll call you on the phone, dude, hehe.
Hey capn!
Nope, no direct email to me.
For now….
I CAN be reached indirectly via the email attached here if anyone is looking for me.
I will be here for a bit capn. Send away.
I’d do that, JR, except you don’t seem to be “hot.”
(Avoiding the obvious, “but that’s what SHE said” joke.)
You know . . . as in your Typekey link is not hot?
Not registered from here with type pad. Actually, I never was. The email addy mmkr38@aol.com is correct.
Note to enemies. It is my mom’s email. Be nice and don’t bother her huh? Thanks.
“It is my mom’s email.”
What a loser. No wonder you’re a dem.
Sheesh I though you all would have sprayed for blogs dumbest posters by now. Go find a friend fleetie. Look for him behind the weapons of mass destruction….or under the nearest rock.
The fairness doctrine?
Why is it that seeing you guys whine about not getting to talk on the radio gives me a picture of the reason why Tag is banned in some schools?
*Leave me alone, I don’t want to play tag, you are faster than me, it’s not fair!*
*WAHHHHHHHHHH*
I realize your lifes must be so horrible with NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, TBS…etc… that you need to put a stop to the Republicans on talk radio now to.
Why is it that the “fairness” doctrine only targets the am radio waves?
That is really “fair” isn’t it?
Hey Nathan?
You cite for me one, just one example of ANY media that is as left biased as AM radio is right biased. Go ahead. You’ll find it around the same time ol fleetie finds someone who wants to email him!
There is none.
Thanks for playing.
Thanks, JR. Purple chicken alert.
Don’t mind Fleetttwood. Making fun of people is all he’s got.
He used to rag me because I didn’t have cable. Well, my daughter and son-in-law moved back until they close on their house and so we got cable.
Now I spend far too much time flipping through channels, but hey, that’s what slobs like Fleettwood do, so now I’m okay, I guess.
Fleettwood never did take me up on that seven mile race I offered him.
How about I bet I can run five miles faster than you can go three miles, Fleettwood?
Email recieved and answer sent capn.
“How about I bet I can run five miles faster than you can go three miles, Fleettwood?”
So you can afford cable now? Good on you. Did you or jr’s mommy help pay for it?
Nathan–
This was the Bible lesson in church today: Luke 14–
25Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26″If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
Since you believe that every word of the Bible is literally true without needing any interpretation, I just wondered if you told your dad you hate him yet?
Hey fleetie?
I don’t have to buy a computer. A friend (look it up) is building one for me.
I always COULD afford cable, you dumb ass.
I simply chose not to pay for something that I don’t really want.
Sheesh.
And how about that bet?
“I always COULD afford cable,…”
yea, right. You didn’t want CNN, MSNBC, Foxnews, History, A & E, Discover? You were happy with blurry networks and PBS?Not likely.jr- Is mommy paying for your computer?
P.S.- I’m not making fun for being broke, I’m making fun of you not being honest about it. Nothing wrong with being broke.
looks like fleetie got up on the wrong side of the couch… LOL
CapnAmerica,
If that was the Bible lesson today in church, you should already have your answer.
I have never said that I believe “that every word of the Bible is literally true without needing any interpretation.”
Except or Creation Vs. Evolution, eh?? ROFL!!!
Chas,
No.
Well, since you are in the mood to talk religion…
You never did answer my question about what being a Christian means to you?
Why do you consider yourself a Christian?
I must say that the word translated “hate” in that instance means something more like “set aside” or “put aside” Unless you put side family, etc….
Nathan, I am not going to answer that question… Do you go around asking everybody you meet why theyconsider themselves Christian??
Chas,
Only those who seem to make statements or do things which are contradictory to being a Christian.
What?? By YOUR standards??? Or by the standards of THEIR denominational understandings???
YOUR standards are for YOU… MINE are for me… Mine arent for YOU to try to break down, and show to be false… YOURS arent for me to do that… Dont you get that one simple little thing???
Hey Chas,
I think you are exactly right. Any time you study the Bible it is important to consider the context in which the particular scripture you are studying was written.
In Luke 14, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees I believe. There is great harmony in the Gospels and in Matthew 10, 27 there is a similar statement, more on the order of your interpretation.
Many study the Bible and see the harmony in the Gospels and their faith in strengthened. Others grasp a verse out of context and use it to reinforce their particular opinion at the time.
Hank
Hey Chas,
I think you are exactly right. Any time you study the Bible it is important to consider the context in which the particular scripture you are studying was written.
In Luke 14, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees I believe. There is great harmony in the Gospels and in Matthew 10, 27 there is a similar statement, more on the order of your interpretation.
Many study the Bible and see the harmony in the Gospels and their faith in strengthened. Others grasp a verse out of context and use it to reinforce their particular opinion at the time.
Hank
Hey Chas,
I think you are exactly right. Any time you study the Bible it is important to consider the context in which the particular scripture you are studying was written.
In Luke 14, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees I believe. There is great harmony in the Gospels and in Matthew 10, 27 there is a similar statement, more on the order of your interpretation.
Many study the Bible and see the harmony in the Gospels and their faith in strengthened. Others grasp a verse out of context and use it to reinforce their particular opinion at the time.
Hank
Chas you should be explaining this passage and not me. You after all are a trained theologian.
Cap we as Christians are suppossed to love Christ above all others and that is what this piece of scripture means.
Combine this to other commands and you will garner it’s true meaning. Love your neighbor as your self. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Honor your mother and father. In as much as you have done it to the least of these my brethern you have done it unto me.
I could go on but I hope you get the picture. Chas you could have helped out with this one but once again chose to sidestep the issue. ”
So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My…” “Many will say ‘Lord, Lord and I will know them not.” Do these sound familiar to you?
Hey Chas,
I think you are exactly right. Any time you study the Bible it is important to consider the context in which the particular scripture you are studying was written.
In Luke 14, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees I believe. There is great harmony in the Gospels and in Matthew 10, 27 there is a similar statement, more on the order of your interpretation.
Many study the Bible and see the harmony in the Gospels and their faith in strengthened. Others grasp a verse out of context and use it to reinforce their particular opinion at the time.
Hank
Yea, Grm, sounds like a bunch of bitching to me… I DID explain the verse, if you would read what I typed… But, NOOOO, you have to go trying to find something new to BITCH about….Somewhere, there is a verse that says you should not bear false witness against your neighbor… You sure have done plenty of that on here!!! And especially because we disagree on religious interpretations…. So, I dont know who is going to spit out whom!! ROFL
Oh, and besides, Grm, there was nothing to help out WITH… I do believe I stated what the more accurate translation of the word hate would be… Now, if you cant run with that, then I feel sorry for your brain… it must not be working in full gear…
And you know what else, Grm??? I dont really CARE if you agree with me or not… Cause we arent ever gonna be on the same page anyway…. So, what difference does it make???
What?? By YOUR standards??? Or by the standards of THEIR denominational understandings???
Posted by: Chas. | September 09, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Show me where in the bible we are suppossed to translate by the ‘denominational standards’.
So if I am Jewish and say Jesus Christ was the sone of God that is just open to translation? If I am atheist and believe that God and Jesus Christ are the figments of someones imagine, that is ok?
I won’t resort to calling your names because in your case that just bolsters the absurdity of your argument.
ksfarmgrrl
Nobody should rag you about your sex, and you don’t need to stick it in everybodys face.
Just do whatever you like without the grandstanding or parading, that’s what most people object to.
It’s not what you do, it’s the fanfare you seem to think needs to go with it.
Enjoy yourself and shut-up about it.
You remind me of an old-fart wanting to talk about his bowel movement.
Grm, apparently you felt a need to explain that passage, which is fairly clear to begin with… I believe in feeding people… I put food on my family’s table… But I sure dont chew the food for them… They can do that themselves… Good preaching is a lot like that…
was the sone=wasn’t the son
Chas that sounds good but when the food is uncooked and poorly prepared it doesn’t fit the bill.
“Yea, Grm, sounds like a bunch of bitching to me…”
Using “bitch” to one of our female bloggers is rude. You should apologize.
If you were an atheist, I would hope thats what you would say… Are you so narrow minded that you can only look at the world in ONE viewpoint???
If you are Jewish, and you say Jesus Christ is the Son of God, you have a problem being Jewish…
BE what you ARE… I come out of the Reformed traditions… I am not going to set that aside because somebody challenges me… That would be wrong, wrong, wrong…
It is just as wrong for you to sit there and try to pick apart MY understanding of MY faith… just because it isnt like yours!!
YOU, Ma’am are the one nit picking, and poking and prodding… YOU, Ma’am, are the one trying to put the things of the “world” first…
Look, I dont ask you to accept MY faith… So, stop trying to tell ME what MY FAITH is supposed to be!! That Ma’am is the height of absurdity!!
Thanks for the help fleet but I can handle chas.
What bothers me most about you Chas is that when someone on the blog starts a ‘down Christians’ thread you are the first to jump on that bandwagon.
You could have just walked on by but chose to insert you one cent worth.
“Except or Creation Vs. Evolution, eh?? ROFL!!!
Posted by: Chas. | September 09, 2007 at 05:57 PM”
It’s like ‘Look at me my new liberal friends, I can bash Christians too’.
When you dish it expect to get it back.
No one comes to the Father, except though me.
No one. Seems clear.
“Thanks for the help fleet but I can handle chas.”
I know. It was in reference to another tiff from before.
Nathan, I am not even going to give you the satisfaction of a response to that drivel…
http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/ancient-escape-tunnel-found-in-israel/20070909115009990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Fleet, didnt you say earlier that you arent even a believer??
“If you deny me I will deny you before the Father” (Mat 10:33).
Chas I don’t have a problem with Cap writing something like this but you have said you were a Christian. If you are a Christian it is full time and not part time. If YOU have as problem with that it’s your problem not mine.
And if I read that wrong, I apologize…
Ohhhhhhh so now you have decided in your great wisdom that Cap isnt a Christian??? Hmmmmm And I wonder where you might have decided to get that idea???
See, Ksgrm, I dont have to fit into YOUR little mold, to be a Christian… That is just plain absurd… Thats about like some denominations that insist if you arent one of them, you arent gonna make it… That simply doesnt work anymore… It SURE doesnt work with me…
I’m outta here… time for dinner… later all!!
Chas don’t try to read into my post that Cap is or isn’t a Christian. I made no determination on that. You can if you wish. I explained to you what my objection to your attitude is so don’t try to redirect the subject.
“Fleet, didnt you say earlier that you arent even a believer??”
That is correct. I’m agnostic.
YOUR OBJECTION to my attitude is that it doesnt match your little narrow minded image of what my faith IS SUPPOSED TO BE, and, as I said, I am GLAD that my faith isnt what yours is… Now, just leave me and my faith alone… Because we have drastic differences in our understandings of just about everything!!!
I dont want to convince you to be what I am… I expect the same respece from YOU….
Is that too difficult to grasp???
Bible lessons…
Just to think I wasted my time going to Church today. :D
Well, Fleet, if you are an agnostic, then isnt it a bit hypocritical of you to be quoting bible verses to ME???
I’m gone now… got dinner out of the oven… and time to eat…
Later all!!
Agnostic = not knowing as opposed to the Gnostics or knowers. They were heretics basically, into numerology and superstition, kinda like the 666 people.
If you believe in God, you are a theist. If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian. If you don’t believe in God, you are an atheist, not an agnostic.
Chas you got my point exactly. Don’t attack Christian unless you want your faith brought front and center. You see I know fleet is an agnostic so he can be on either side of the fence. You on the other hand have picked a side. If you attack those on the same side then expect it.
As far as Nathan saying I have never said that I believe “that every word of the Bible is literally true without needing any interpretation.”
I’m glad to hear it, but that doesn’t explain gay hatred and the Earth is only 10K years old . . .
CapnAmerica,
I only know of some very extreme individuals who preach gay hatred.
Fred Phelps.
I don’t hate gays and neither do 95% plus of Christians.
If you are going to keep making strawman arguments, what is the point of posting here?
Chas,
If I believe that god is actually a 3 toed frog and jesus was a fairy prince who wants to steal our souls for eternal damnation, could I still call myself a Christian and actually be one?
Chas,
Is there any standard for calling yourself a Christian and actually being one or can anyone who believes anything call themselves a Christian and be one?
I admire anyone who can read the Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek without interpretation!
Nathan–
Speaking of a straw man, I’ve never heard of a Christian who disbelieved basic tenets of Christianity.
As for your position on gays, denying gays basic civil rights is hatred.
And why do the words of Christ “hate your family and follow me” need interpretation but the much older oral tradition of the words of Genesis do not?
It says “seven days,” so it must be seven days, right?
CapnAmerica,
You didn’t answer my question.
What did your Bible lesson tell you about the verse?
That is not hatred either:
hatred- the feeling of one who hates; intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility
hate- to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
Sorry, but unless you are rewriting the English language, not supporting homosexual marriage does not equal hatred.
Oh, I am not conceding to your loaded statement that homosexual marriage is a “basic civil right” either…
I see Bush’s Homeland Security advisor is taunting Bin Laden by calling him impotent. Damn, these Repubs. are getting desperate for 9/11–The Sequel!
Notice how Nathan always attacks the minister on Christianity. Perhaps, Nathan, you should join the Seminary, and put your money where your asshole is.
Political Mom,
I am asking Chas questions.
I have yet to attack him.
will Hillary Clinton protect us from these people instead of Alberto Gonzales?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/exclusive-us-st.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070808/NATION/108080088/1001
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070809/NATION/108090085/1001
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,358223,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/05/nterror405.xml
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-iraqis-bein.html
Posted by: Catherine | September 09, 2007 at 07:37 AM
Catherine, some of those home grown terrorist, are probably gonna turn out to be, regular citizens speaking out about our government corruption, they will probably be sent to a secret prison to pacify their dissent.
So in other words, we need to keep a close eye on how our government is operating, because of lately they seem to champion money and war over individual rights. Look at all the cronies Bush let off the hook, basically illegally in our face, and Cheney has that, wtf are you gonna do out about, I’m untouchable attitude. He must be, to radiate that kind of attitude so publicly. Must have a lot of officials in his back pocket.
Nathan, I could also say that I don’t believe your right to believe in Religion as a basic civil right either.
Political Mom,
You could say that, but the Constitution is pretty clear on protecting me against any actions you would take legally to deny me…
Marriage shouldn’t even be a government contract, unless they give the same perks to the gay people who get married, because thats making another class of citizens to be looked at as scum.Besides that a Marriage is traditionally a religious contract, married couples shouldn’t get governmental benefits, thats basically the government endorsing religion, and the ones that aren’t religious and get married, only do so for the finacial perks the government offers, and they usually have a courthouse marriage which takes all the religious meaning out of a marriage.
“TURKEY yesterday summoned the Israeli envoy to Ankara to protest at the discovery of two fuel tanks apparently dropped from fleeing fighter jets during a skirmish with Syrian air defences near its southern border. Israel has maintained a media blackout since the incident early last Thursday, which further heightened tensions with Damascus and continue to fuel rumours of war. Israeli government sources said its defence force had moved to a lower level of alert along the Golan Heights on its northern border with Syria, in a move possibly tailored to placate Damascus.”
Gold just crossing into the $700 range and Crude Oil topped over 76 dollars a barrel, thanks to the Jews raising tensions in the Middle East, again today.
So why should some be more equal than others? Why can’t a gay person have the right to be in a committed relationship and take advantage of the same benefits as straight marriages?
Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior..therefore it’s as natural as being straight.
Murder has also always been a part of human nature and behavior too…………….
You’re comparing apples to oranges, Nathan.
I wasn’t comparing anything.
I was making a statement using the same logic as you.
I don’t think so…in a homosexual realtionship you have two consenting adults…no one is getting hurt or losing their life.What you’re talking about is one person depriving another of their life against their will. Apples and oranges.
Mary,
LOGIC.
x has always been a part of y therefore it’s as natural as being z.
Your statement doesn’t even make logical sense on it’s own.
On the Crowson cartoon thread subject:
Why not write to the paper? Many reasons. First, I would not get published if I wrote a letter for each cartoon he draws. Second, you cannot blog and write to the paper. If you notice upthread some of the privacy champions think they have linked a poster here to a letter. Bad news since the letter has your real name. Finally, the Eagle does not have to publish the letter. The editorial power is immense and allows them to squash opposing viewpoints.
A blog thread would benefit Crowson. Not only would he get a lot more feedback, but he could look at the other viewpoints of both fans and detractors.
Your Logic is flawed… Give it up Nathan!!
Nathan, Z is also a part of Y…
Guess you missed that part!! LOL
Z is lso part of Y…
Guess you missed that part… LOL
sorry bout the double post… first one said it timed out…
Mary,
I have advocated for many years for the government to get out of marriage licensing all together. The State has no business giving permission to any relationship.
In the past I have asked bloggers to give reasons why we need to license marriages. The only quasi-logical reason ever given was so that a record could be created.
In the ‘gay marriage’ debate everyone gets bogged down with the wrong problem. The problem is that some people cannot marry. The problem is that there is someone telling people that they cannot marry.
Chas,
Is there any standard for calling yourself a Christian and actually being one or can anyone who believes anything call themselves a Christian and be one?
Posted by: Nathan | September 09, 2007 at 07:27 PM
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Nathan — You should know… You do it constantly!!
Chas,
Z doesn’t equal Y unless you assume so. It was not proven in the statement.
Otherwise the statement could have read (which doesn’t nearly make sense):
Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior..therefore it’s as natural as human nature and behavior.
Which once again would lead us to an unproven statement that:
X has always been Y therefore its as natural as being Y.
That statement doesn’t prove anything.
P M — Actually, the reverse is what has always been true… The Government enters the marriage in the record book of the Community/State/County… The Church then gives its blessing to that marriage… That practice goes well back into the Middle Ages…
Chas,
What do I do constantly?
It was an either/or statement.
Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior… Heterosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior… Therefore, BOTH are natural to human nature and behavior…
X(homosexuality) has always been a part of Y(human nature and behavior) — Z(heterosexuality) has always been a part of Y… Therefore both X & Z are equal in human nature and behavior…
That is what was posted earlier… Dont try to change it around so it fits your scheme!!
I think you missed the point Nathan. I could say I don’t believe in your civil right to religion, but there’s not a push to ban it…or prevent you from your religious beliefs. If there were, it’d be wrong.
The constitution guarantees us rights that we should be equal and free. Gays don’t have that now, do they? And there is a push to prevent them from ever having those rights.
Led by…religious zealots.
So my next argument is…that if religious zealots want their rights…but at the same time want to limit rights of others. Shouldn’t we start limiting the rights of religious zealots?
Nathan, these special rights groups beget more special rights groups, soon you have something as ridiculous as kukluxklan members wanting to be recognized as a minority with special rights. Well, a government marital contract is no different, that gives special rights and perks people. The slate needs to be wiped clean, no government welfare, no government sponsored marriage and perks, or special rights to anybody, and our original natural born freedoms need to be reinstated, right to life, freedom of religion, freedom of communication, right to privacy, right to bear arms, freedom of responsibility meaning people are responsible for their own actions and should not be protected by authoritarian laws or rely on governmental welfare, and last, property rights.
People aren’t being treated equal with all the laws we have giving special rights to select groups. Marriage is no different. Plus our government sponsored marriage is in violation of separation of church and state. The In God We Trust printed on our green backs, is in violation of separation of church and state.
Nathan, you call yourself a Christian… Does that mean you are one??? You believe whatever it is you believe about being a Christian — Does that mean you are one???
I should of stated freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Chas,
Here is Mary’s EXACT quote:
“Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior..therefore it’s as natural as being straight.”
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 09, 2007 at 08:55 PM
Here is what you quoted her as saying:
“Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior… Heterosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior… Therefore, BOTH are natural to human nature and behavior…”
The only person changing anything around is you.
I was not QUOTING Mary, Geez… I swear you cant read boy!!!
Nathan, Mary’s quote says that being straight and being gay have always been a part of human nature and behavior… I just spelled it out in concrete terms… since it was obvious that you missed it
Chas,
“Nathan, you call yourself a Christian… Does that mean you are one???”
Yes. Not simply because I call myself one, but because I believe that Christ is the son of God and you must believe in him for salvation. I believe in Christs teachings.
That is what makes someone a Christian. The mere fact that you call yourself one does not.
“You believe whatever it is you believe about being a Christian –”
I believe what Jesus says and that makes me a Christain.
“Does that mean you are one???”
Yes.
Now answer my question:
What makes you a Christian?
Chas,
You accused me of:
“That is what was posted earlier… Dont try to change it around so it fits your scheme!!”
I just showed you that I copied her quote exactly.
So what did I change?
But Nathan, anybody can say what you just said… Does that make them a Christian?? THAT is what you asked earlier… YOU answer it.. I dont need to answer it… I know what I believe…
Nathan, what I said was posted earlier, was Mary’s formula… that you totally botched… NOT her quote from 8:55
WHY in heaven’s name are you so constantly obcessed with what it is I believe??? You know, that is getting a little bit old… for MANY people on the Blog… not just for me…
Only the most arrogant, self-righteous, narcissistic “Christians” take it upon themselves to decide whether or not another is a Christian or not. People like that disgust me.
Chas,
Mary didn’t post anything earlier than that.
What on earth are you talking about?
Thanks Tom… I agree…
Unless X and Z have different frequency over time, then it depends on the number of occurrences which can influence the frequency of the other.
In a confined set which has been given, frequency will often interfere with an occurrence event, because less frequency means the likelihood allow for less tension. High frequency causes high tension, but may reduce the amount of time the event occurs.
Marbles bouncing in a can. :)
Nathan, Mary posted her little X Y Z formula… that you tried to take apart… Is your memory going too???
Kansas — KEY word in the formula is “always” — ongoing… get it??
X has always been a part of human nature and behavior(Y) Z has always been a part of human nature and behavior(Y)
Therefore, BOTH X & Z are a part of human nature and behavior…
Has the feel of a bush “Bring Em on” statement. You know they’re hoping it’ll work!U.S. official calls bin Laden “virtually impotent” 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
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“This is a man on the run in a cave who is virtually impotent other than his ability to get these messages out,” Townsend said on CNN’s “Late Edition.” “It is propaganda.
“Based on our experience, we have never seen bin Laden use a tape to trigger any operational activity.”
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I am not going to sit here and split hairs over gay and straight… The simple fact is that Gay/Lesiban couples should the right to marry, with all the same benefits, that straight couples have… One day soon, the Constitution will be proven to show that… One day, the SCOTUS wont rule on the issue based on religious beliefs… but on the basis of basic human rights…
Chas,
Instead of constantly insulting me, why don’t you answer a simple question:
Where did Mary post her little X Y Z formula, quote it for me and the time stamp?
I am not insulting you… YOU found it before… YOU made some off handed response to it, trying to prove it wrong… and you couldnt do it… YOU find it!! I am not your blog secretary!!
Tom,
“Only the most arrogant, self-righteous, narcissistic “Christians” take it upon themselves to decide whether or not another is a Christian or not. People like that disgust me.”
It is not some awful thing Tom.
If you go around saying you don’t believe what Jesus said and you worship Satan all the while calling yourself a Christian, I have no problem saying you are not one.
If you say you are a Marine and you have never been to boot camp, I will say you are not a Marine either.
Oh well…
Chas still can’t answer a simple question.
Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior..therefore it’s as natural as being straight.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 09, 2007 at 08:55 PM
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Nathan, you tried to make that into a formula… which you then took apart…
You were wrong… because you forgot to finish the other side of the equation… which I then finished… and you still argued the point…
Is that clear now??
Chas,
Let me lay it out for you then, here are all of Mary’s posts in this blog tonight:
So why should some be more equal than others? Why can’t a gay person have the right to be in a committed relationship and take advantage of the same benefits as straight marriages?
Homosexuality has always been a part of human nature and behavior..therefore it’s as natural as being straight.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 09, 2007 at 08:55 PM
You’re comparing apples to oranges, Nathan.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 09, 2007 at 09:17 PM
I don’t think so…in a homosexual realtionship you have two consenting adults…no one is getting hurt or losing their life.What you’re talking about is one person depriving another of their life against their will. Apples and oranges.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 09, 2007 at 09:22 PM
So,
Please tell me Chas, out of the above quotes from Mary where she:
“Mary posted her little X Y Z formula…”
or
“what I said was posted earlier, was Mary’s formula… that you totally botched… NOT her quote from 8:55″
Try doing it without the insults if you can.
Chas,
Why do you bother arguing with this guy? He’s completely impervious to fact. At the age of 28, he’s already decided he knows all there is to know, has learned all there is to learn, about life, the universe, and everything.
I just feel sorry for his spouse, should he ever marry. If the little mind games he plays here are any indication, that poor woman is going to have a life of living hell.
Well it is pass my bedtime and I have had my laugh limit for today.
Chas. some advice for you. It will get Nathan off you a$$ for good by giving him a heart attack which will be so massive even God will be unable pull him out of it.
Simply admit you made a mistake.
Sorry, guys, the Fairness Doctrine is a violation of the 1st Amendment, not a protection of the first amendment. I don’t like half of those AM talk hosts (Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Levin) although I do like to listen to Boortz and O’Reilly sometimes. However, it’s the absolute right of the station to broadcast whatever the hell they want whenever they want as long as they want, as long as it isn’t indecent (we’ll not touch on censorship here, let’s stay focused.) Telling a radio station that they must allow “equal time” is the equivalent of censoring their right to purvey their point of view. Yes, they are biased, yes they’re going to talk over the top of people who don’t agree. It’s not a lawmaking process, it’s entertainment. ENTERTAINMENT. Paid for by ad dollars, for people who like that entertainment or are targeting people who like that entertainment. If you want equal time, you are absolutely free to start a radio program on any station that will have you, or start your own radio station. Then, you can broadcast whatever you want whenever you want. Telling someone what they can and can’t broadcast is a VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, and I don’t care if your feelings get hurt in the process. It’s unpopular speech that needs the most protection.
Nathan, where do you come up with your totally illogical stuff???
I havent seen anybody on this Blog, or anywhere else, for that matter, who is a Satanist, and claims to be a Christian…
And I cant imagine WHY anybody would claim to be a Marine unless they ARE one…
Those are two really pathetic arguments….
YOU are the one constantly badgering me about what I believe… (and you make it known you question my beliefs constantly) And THAT as Tom says, is disgusting!!!
And I AM MORE THAN TIRED OF IT!!
Take 4 “X” marbles and drop them into a can. You get lots of freedom and the X marbles can bounce higher and have a longer event time.
Take 40 Z marbles and drop them into the same can (minus the X marbles) and you have less freedom and a shorter time event but higher frequency of interaction between marbles.
Now drop the 4 X marbles and the 40 Z marbles into the can at the same time. The chances of X marbles having the same time event as they did without the Z marbe is significantly reduced because of the higher frequency of motion of the Z marble.
Which means, when combined, the X marbles are directly affected by the number of the Z marbles because their freedom of movement is restricted due to the number of events that happen.
It also means that if randomly dropped into the can, the X marbles have less chance to interact with another X marble because of the number of bounce events of the Z marbles. Therefore, the tension caused by the higher amount of Z marbles control what the X marbles will do.
The same with life.
Ways the X marble can increase their opportunity to have contact with another X marble is to:
1) skew the order in which they are dropped (affirmative action)2) increase the physical size of the X marble (louder voice equivalent)3) rename the X marbles as Z marbles (change the rules for identity – possibly physical[surgical/chemical] sex change?)4)Make a different declaration. From the point of dropping, all X Marbles will now become Z marbles. (From the point of contractual union, all sex type (gender) cannot be considered.)
Of course, under number 4, then we have changed the fact that a different name has been given, but the physical properties and effects of said action that actually occurs when the marbles are dropped, regardless of how they are named, will result in an artificial outcome. (i.e. – defies the laws of physics and nature.)
Sorry, was reading a sci-fi book. :D
Plays the silly little mind violin tune. :)
Postal — I dont totally disagree with you… However, I think the issue is not so much WHAT they say… which I dont much like either… BUT… I think the issue is a bit more involved… IF the talk show host has on a Candidate for public office… whatever the radio show… Rep. or Dem. — and gives that candidate basically FREE TIME on the air to spout their platform… and they DENY equal time to a candidate of the opposing side… Should they not then be required to count that air time as a campaign contribution… and should the candidate not be required to report that FREE TIME as a contribution???
IF that was the case, then the amount of time a Talk show host could give to a candidate would be limited by how much a person can contribute to a campaign…
I think that is what this issue is building up to… And it should be the same for Hannity, or Limbaugh, or the others, as well as for Hightower, and Air America….
And both side do it…
Hmm, I’ll name that the Brownback hypothesis. :D :D
Human beings are not marbles rattling in a can, being shaken about by some exterior force. Metaphors like this make me wonder about _your_ marbles, and how many may be lost.
Have you lost your marbles?
Kansas, yo u sure you havent lost some of your marbles there??? The discussion is about marriage???
Tom,
Perhaps you could add a bit more to the discussion besides the ad hominem?
Tom, you’re faster than I!
Fster than me too, Tom!!
Nathan,
You don’t like what I have to say? Tough. Scroll over it. Report it to the WEBlog owners. Cry into your tissues. Whatever creams your twinkie, you know?
Respect is earned. You’re running a negative balance.
Nathan, the entire Marbles story is nothing but an elongated Ad Hominem!! Good Grief!!
Sorry Tom, was just feeling silly and besides as humans we have to quantify ourselves to a certain extent or we’d never get anything done.
Legislative actions can be qualitative in nature, but their passage depends on quantitative counts.
Anyway..blah blah (mind wanders to the speed of light traveling through the great sewer pipe of the universe.) (quirk-snap-snap-snap-quizzle-pop)
I’m outta here…
Good Night. Good Luck.. And God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Nite all!!
Chas said elongated…
Molly Ivins died.It’s hard for dead people to write columns (which, I realize, doesn’t explain Cal Thomas).
gotta love mrcontroversy’s humor. :)
None of you seem to have taken a symbolic logic class, so I’ll put it together for you.
Axioms: (And, yes, I’m having to restate because the argument is phrased irregularly.)
A: Is part of human nature and behaviorB: Is natural (and by this, I assume Mary meant functional as well as natural)C: Is homosexualD: Is heterosexual
What we have is two implied Hypothetical Syllogisms, of the form C -> A (if C then A)A -> B (if A then B).: C -> B (therefore if C then B)
AND
D -> AA -> B.: D -> B
so….
C v D -> AA -> B.: C v D -> B
read If C or D then A, if A then B, therefore if C or D then B.
C and D become interchangeable, and therefore are logically of equal weight.
I omitted a step in the proof where you use modus tollens to achieve a contradiction to prove the final hypothetical syllogism, but I figure it’s unnecessary.
I guess my point here is:
Mary’s argument is logically sound, phrased as the disjunction of two hypothetical syllogisms. However, you can argue it into the ground anyhow, since you refuse to see eye to eye on the validity of the premises, since my proof assumes that atoms C and D are true.
An argument can have a logically sound construction, but be false due to the falsehood or truth of the premises.
I’m not touching that one, I just figured I’d clear up the whole mathematical logic.
Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality..all sexuality is on a continuim and everyone falls to one end or the other and some in between. Human sexuality is what it is…why should someone be denied the same rights as others simply because they are attracted to the same sex? What is less valid about the realtionship between two men or two women that that of a man and a woman? Every person has the right to love and to be loved and to enjoy the benefits of a committed, legal relationship..why should anyone be denied that? Nathan, you keep comparing hmosexuality to sexual perversion, which it’s not. When you have two consenting adults in a loving relationship, that’s just sexuality, nothing more. No one is being victimized, so it doesn’t belong in the catagory of sexual perversion.
Kansas,
Just as no two bills in their journey through the legislative process are identical, neither are any two or more humans identical (well, maybe SOME twins, but even that’s a stretch). Using “xyz” marbles in a can is limiting and confining, and ignores human nature.
Except C and C cannot naturally procreate. :)
D and D can naturally procreate.
Of course, contractual agreement between a C and D could occur via a certified laboratory, where C donates the appropriate portion in which D will either provide the impetus or incubation.
Thusly, we have created the future human hatchery experiment where fence jumping becomes legal and eggs no longer have a specified nesting area.
It’s time to change the straw farmer Jones.
I was using cateyes and striped marbles Tom, they were multi-integrated with different materials. :)
I think this pain med is way too strong, sleeping now….
Interesting Mary,
What would you call sexual perversion then? If anything that can be done by two or more consenting adults isn’t, what is?
Hank
A told B and B told C…I’ll meet you at the top of the coconut tree.
WHEEEEEEEEEEE
I’m getting nauseous. And not because I’ve lost 10lbs this week from some sort of awful allergic reaction.
I just want to point out that by Nathan’s own admission above, Jehovah’s Witnesses are actually Christians. Even though I believe he disagreed with that statement once.
Nathan does this simply to get under Chas’s skin. I think it says a lot about Nathan being an actual Christian. I don’t think Christ harassed people.
Hank, anything two consenting adults decide they want to do sexually…ISN”T PERVERSION.
If she wants to stomp on his pecker with high heels. LEGAL. If he wants to suck her toes. LEGAL. If she wants to tie him to the bed posts and whip him with black leather. LEGAL.If they wish to engage in…um…? LEGAL.
I can no longer procreate. Nor can a woman past menopause age. Does that mean they can’t naturally have sex?
I guess this means Hank and Kansas are SOL.
HA.
If she wants to stomp on his pecker with high heels…Posted by: political_mom
:::sigh::: Months of therapy, down the drain. Thanks, Pmom!
they=we.
Hey I got the visual in an email joke once. I need therapy after that one Tom. LOL.
LOL Pmom…um, don’t forward that one to me, okay? Thanks!!!
One for the road>>> There is no law as far as I know, that demands that marriage produce children… for those in Rio Lindo, that means procreate…
So, Kansas, you gotta take that one out of your list… There goes another phony argument down the drain!!
Now, nite all!! Have a good Monday!!
Oh, and Hank… nobody said anything about more than TWO consenting adults… There goes that perverse type thinking again!!
Darn it all, Tom. My husband saw it, and he was all “WRONG WRONG NO NO NO HELLLLLLL NO”.
You gotta admit, that should take tops in every single Iron man competition out there.
maternal housing unitsfrozen sperm from a bank
beakerspetri dishes
pipettes
call it mom and turn the bunsen burner off on your way out.
Perversion? It’s when someone victimizes another for sexual gratification. Rape, child molesting, abusing animals sexually, exposing your genitals to the Boy Scouts, masterbating on your front porch, grocery shopping in the nude …the list could get quite long..just use your imagination, Hank..you do have one don’t you?