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- By Phillip Brownlee
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George W. Bush’s marital problems have just taken another turn for the worse.George Bush’s marital problems have just taken another turn for the worse.
June 3, 2006-A Mayflower Hotel staffer has confirmed that First Lady Laura Bush spent at least one night this past week at the hotel. Mrs. Bush reportedly moved out of the WH after a confrontation with with President Bush over his on-going affair with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.June 3, 2006 — A Mayflower Hotel staffer has confirmed that First Lady Laura Bush spent at least one night this past week at the hotel, which is four blocks north of the White House. Mrs. Bush reportedly moved out of the White House after a confrontation with President Bush over his on-going affair with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The Mayflower’s official position on the story is that they can “neither confirm nor deny” the identities of their guests. Because it’s penchant for security and secrecy is well known to the Secret Service, the Mayflower has become a reliable hotel for U.S. and international VIPs.
Posted by: He’s a bad boy, a very bad boy | September 30, 2007 at 06:34 AM
1)”Just taken a turn from the worst”? 6/3/06 Over a year ago.
2)No source cited, though you at least put a phony date on this creative writing piece of yours.
3)Even if it was true, so what? OK for Clinton to sexually harass staff and get BJ’s from Lewinsky, but Bush can’t fool around?
June 3, 2006 eh?
The same day that President Bush made the radio speech on the marriage amendment.
Coincidence? I think not. Someone has an agenda.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060603.html
2)No source cited, though you at least put a phony date on this creative writing piece of yours.
Is that a Weblog rule that I have to site a source or your rule?
If it’s not true, don’t worry about citing a source.
June 3, 2006 eh?The same day that President Bush made the radio speech on the marriage amendment.Coincidence? I think not. Someone has an agenda
——————————–Hotel staffer has confirmed that First Lady Laura Bush spent at least one night this past week at the hotel.——————————-What does that have to do with Bush , Laura is the one that stayed at the hotel.
Condy is HOT! If George was doing her, I’d be jealous!
Sigh. . .I see things are back to “normal.”
Any chance we can cancel this stupid thread before it goes any further??
Signed,A seriously insomniac Rage
P.S. Kansas–do you ever sleep?
Yes, this thread is not meeting the approval of Rage, let’s consider cancelling it.
If it’s not true, don’t worry about citing a source.———————————You mean there is truth here on the internet?
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6268
I confess this is the first I’ve heard of marital problems, so I did a google search. Snopes has it but doesn’t grade it, at least the part I read.
It would make for lots of fun if Bush were outed for boffing Condi, but to me, it sounds like tabloid stuff.
But if Mrs XXX ever saw me in a picture like this:http://wonkette.com/politics/white-house/the-bushcondi-rumors-an-update-182711.php
There’d be hell to pay.
Then Bad Boy must like this story too:
Hillary Clinton outlines Democrats’ big business agendaPosted in the database on Wednesday, April 19th, 2006 @ 18:56:29 MST (217 views)
by Bill Van Auken World Socialist Web Site
The economics of militarism
New York’s Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton delivered a speech last week to the Economic Club of Chicago that served as an introduction to the right-wing economic platform upon which she and her party intend to run in the 2006 US midterm elections, as well as her own agenda in an expected bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008.
It is a program that begins with the needs of big business and the defense of the wealth of the top 1 percent of the population, to which she and her major backers belong. It reveals, moreover, the economic foundation of the support provided by Clinton and the Democratic leadership for the ongoing war in Iraq and the threat of new wars against Iran and other countries—acts of aggression that are bound up with a policy of global militarism conducted in the interests of America’s ruling elite.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=5770
Or this one:
Hillary Clinton, War GoddessPosted in the database on Monday, January 23rd, 2006 @ 11:50:36 MST (567 views)
by Justin Raimondo AntiWar.com
She wants permanent bases in Iraq – and threatens war with Iran
As the war in Iraq metastasizes into what General William E. Odom calls “the greatest strategic disaster in United States history,” and the cost in lives and treasure continues to escalate, we are already being set up for Act II of the neocons’ Middle East war scenario – with the Democrats taking up where the Republicans left off.
The Bush administration, for all its bellicose rhetoric, has shown little stomach for directly confronting Tehran, and this has prompted Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton to take on the Bushies for supposedly ignoring the alleged threat from Iran. Speaking at Princeton University on the occasion of the Wilson School’s 75th anniversary celebration, Clinton aligned herself with such Republican hawks as Sen. John McCain and the editorial board of the Weekly Standard, calling for sanctions and implicitly threatening war:
“I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations. I don’t believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines. But let’s be clear about the threat we face now: A nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel, to its neighbors and beyond. The regime’s pro-terrorist, anti-American and anti-Israel rhetoric only underscores the urgency of the threat it poses. U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot and should not – must not – permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In order to prevent that from occurring, we must have more support vigorously and publicly expressed by China and Russia, and we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations. And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran – that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons.”http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6384
or:
While Clinton’s Saturday movements are ambiguous, we know where she was on on Tuesday.
She was being roundly booed by her own usually sycophantic left-leaning audience at the Campaign for America’s Future conference. Clinton, a supporter of the Iraq invasion from day one, was heckled and cat-called for again publicly backing the Bush administration’s reluctance to withdraw troops from Iraq.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6384
Rupert Murdoch backs Hillary Clinton: by their friends you shall know themPosted in the database on Wednesday, May 10th, 2006 @ 13:21:30 MST (164 views)
by Bill Van Aucken World Socialist Web Site
By Bill Van Auken, Socialist Equality Party candidate for US Senate from New York
The billionaire media magnate Rupert Murdoch changed his nationality from Australian to American some two decades ago in order to further his aim of gobbling up US media for his global empire. In both countries, he projected an image of a super-patriot and nationalist.
When it comes to politics, Murdoch, known in media circles as the “dirty digger,” is equally adaptable in pursuing his personal gain. The most loyal right-wing Tory and friend of Margaret Thatcher during the 1980s, as he built up his media holdings in Britain, he switched his loyalties to “New Labour” when he saw that Tony Blair could provide a fresh face for even more reactionary politics and was more than willing to further Murdoch’s interests in return for editorial backing. He made similar swings in his native Australia between the Labor and Liberal parties to further his efforts at monopolizing the print and broadcast media.
So, it should really come as no surprise that Murdoch is now emerging as a prominent backer of the Democratic US Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton. The Financial Times of London reported Tuesday that Murdoch will personally host a July fundraiser for Mrs. Clinton on behalf of his News Corp.
CBS News reported on the upcoming fundraiser with the provocative headline “Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton.” It stated, “The mating ritual of the unlikely allies has been under way for months.”
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6005
Who’s the Bigger Hawk, George or Hillary?Posted in the database on Thursday, February 09th, 2006 @ 06:08:37 MST (182 views)
by Joshua Frank AntiWar.com
There aren’t many elected officials in Washington who want to throw the gauntlet down on Iran more than Hillary Clinton. The New York senator believes the president has been too soft on the militant Islamic country, claiming that Bush has played down the threat of a nuclear-armed Tehran.
“I believe we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations,” Clinton told an audience at Princeton University on Jan. 18. “I don’t believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines. … We cannot and should not – must not – permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons,” Clinton added. “In order to prevent that from occurring … we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations.”http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=4927
Has this topic been discussed on Weblog?
Revealed: Saddam ‘ready to walk away for $1bn’By Leonard Doylein WashingtonPublished: 29 September 2007
A transcript of an eve-of-war conversation between President George Bush and former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar has revealed a previously undisclosed initiative to avert war in Iraq by spiriting Saddam Hussein out of the country.
“Yes, it’s possible,” Mr Bush told the Spanish leader. “The Egyptians are talking to Saddam Hussein … He seems to have indicated he would be open to exile if they would let him take one billion dollars and all the information he wants on weapons of mass destruction.”
One of my favorites:
The Clintons, the Doles and the Dubai port deal: political duplicity and class interestPosted in the database on Sunday, March 05th, 2006 @ 17:46:54 MST (128 views)
by Bill Van Auken World Socialist Web Site
While Senator Hillary Clinton, Democrat of New York, was attacking the Bush administration over the Dubai ports deal, her husband Bill was advising United Arab Emirates officials on how best to smooth over the controversy and push the deal through.http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=5280
MoveOn.org Surrenders: Silence is ComplicityPosted in the database on Tuesday, January 10th, 2006 @ 15:25:21 MST (129 views)
by Joshua Frank Dissident Voice
It’s a good thing for MoveOn.org that George W. Bush was reelected. If he hadn’t been, the liberal troupe would have nothing to contest. Even if the bloody occupation had continued under a John Kerry presidency (it most certainly would have), the cowering office-chair activists would have ducked behind their computer screens awaiting the return of another brutal Republican administration. Activism should never be partisan, but Moveon.org isn’t about to hold the Democrats’ accountable for supporting Bush’s war agenda.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-930.html?cid=84576578#comment-84576578—–
Now on a personal note if I were to want to have sex with a SOS, Powell seems a nice guy and I guess not bad looking in a manish way. But now Condi….. OK there would be one decision the “decider” would make I could understand! LOL
The Mayflower Hotel is often used to gather the security contingent for the First Lady. Why?
On June 2, 2006, Laura Bush gave a speech at the U.N. in New York at the 3 day Aids Conference that ran from 1 – 3 June 2006.
Woopsies, rumor spreaders and shame.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/03/world/03aids.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fB%2fBush%2c%20Laura&oref=slogin
“June 2 — The General Assembly adopted a strongly worded declaration on Friday aimed at pressing the nations of the world to strengthen their battle against AIDS, a global pandemic that Secretary General Kofi Annan called “the greatest challenge of our generation.”
…His dark tone diverged markedly from the upbeat speeches by world leaders at the start of the three-day session on Wednesday, and from the positive speech given Friday morning by Laura Bush, the first lady.”
PHOENIX — It sounds like science fiction but it’s true: A killer amoeba living in lakes enters the body through the nose and attacks the brain where it feeds until you die.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/28/AR2007092801041.html?hpid=sec-health
And we worry about Zebra Mussels.
The thought of a Rhoads scholar and concert pianist boffing Bush is– is — is.
An air warfare conference in Washington last week was told how American air chiefs have helped to co-ordinate intelligence-sharing with Gulf Arab nations and organise combined exercises designed to make it easier to fight together.
Gen Michael Mosley, the US Air Force chief of staff, used the conference to seek closer links with allies whose support America might need if President George W Bush chooses to bomb Iran.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=WNMKCRWPXDVX1QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/09/30/wiran130.xml
Here we go again…..
The man at the back of the Metro bus was older, wore glasses and apparently drew the attention of a group of alleged gang members who reportedly began harassing him.
But when one of them tried to take the man’s glasses, he pulled a knife and fought back, Seattle police said.http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/333727_stab30.html?source=rss
SURPRISE!!!!
The Phoenixville Police Department is investigating a freak accident in which a borough woman ran over both of her legs in the drive-through lane at McDonald’s, 651 Nutt Rd., Friday afternoon.http://www.phoenixvillenews.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=/PVN/News&r21.content=/PVN/News/ContentTab_Feature_715762
The article doesn’t say whether the woman is blonde or not (sorry Mrs XXX).
Hee hee hee. A quick scroll through of last night’s open thread reveals that kansas republican got his ass handed to him. Again.
No wonder his meltdown spilled over into today. It’s predictable. Show him for the fool he is, he’ll melt faster than a Hershey bar.
And the sock puppet parade continues…
OMG, this is just TOO funny!!!!
Remember, Trego county abolished a working and effective economic development board that was independent of the county.
In one of his first acts as a county commissioner Lanny Fabrizius spearheaded the demolition of economic development, and then replace the effective board with a bunch of shills, pals and cousins to get control of the economic development sales tax money.
And now? heheheheh. Also remember, Trego county’s attorney, along with the city of Wakeeney attorney, former mayor, chief of police and various city council members and employees are CURRENTLY under investigation by the Kansas AG office for corruption. Misuse of pensions, misuse of public property for personal projects… etc.
SO now? Lanny wants to hire his “good friend”, the city councilmember who sparked the AG investigation as… wait for it… the NEW director of economic development?
hehehehhhheeee. I’m tellin’ ya, ya just CANT make this stuff up. I think the state of Kansas should just take OVER the government of Trego county and the city of WaKeeney to fix the damn corruption.
Economic development is just a slush fund for Fabrizius and his merry band of greedy bastards to use public money for their own purposes.
No WONDER county government in Kansas is such a joke.
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/tregoecodevo093007
Graffiti Troll–
We hard-core leftists hate Hillary almost as much as you reich-wingers do.
But it is not true that MoveOn.org supports Dems “no matter what.”
How did Lieberman get defeated by his OWN party’s primary and have to run as an independent?
Republican wannabes are rife in the Democratic party. The State party just had Harold Ford–a DINO if there ever was one–at the Demo-fest, prompting me and a number of others to lose any interest in attending.
So far however, I haven’t found a BAD Dem who is as bad as a GOOD Rep.
Hillary for all her faults would be a million times better for our country and the world than WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER. and the party of sychophants . . .
Mornin’ CapN!! Sure hope this thing doesnt get as bad as it did yesterday…
Oh look, I’m still here!
Yay! “Kansas”"\ didn’t get his editor friend from the Eagle to boot me like he threatened last night.
Thank you good and merciful “Kansas” for sparing me.
Today’s lede at nytime.com:
Ethanol’s Boom Stalling as Glut Depresses Price
By CLIFFORD KRAUSSAn oversupply of ethanol is suddenly plaguing farmers, in part because distribution of the fuel has not kept pace with new distilleries.
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As a native Kansan, I know a lot of farmers and I like ‘em, respect what they do, and appreciate the challenges they face every year.
But they tend to be fools when it comes to business.
As soon as the price of wheat goes up, they all plant wheat and the market plunges. As soon as soybeans go up, they all plant soybeans and the market plummets. As soon as there’s a market for corn, they glut the market and don’t realize ethanol is an artificial commodity that cannot sustain itself.
Let’s not get into the baseline absurdity of corn-generated ethanol. Even cave men knew better than to *burn your food for fuel!*
It’s our legacy, I guess, that Kansas government is heavily weighted toward giving farmers far more politcal clout than their numbers or economic contributions warrant. But with federally-subsidized crop subsidies and insurance, farmer have become the biggest welfare recipients in the world.
JR,Kansas is pretty much full of crap. He’s been threatening to have several people kicked off the blog lately (as if). Obviously, he’s one of those “free speech” republicans.
The editorial staff may pull posts for profanity or racism. Otherwise, they’re not much interested in what goes on here as long as the hits stay high.
Poster Kansas is squealing like a mashed cat now that he’s getting a dose of his own medicine.
Church over at 10:10?
Good morning, JR. Glad to see the Sock Puppets didn’t come for you in the night, lol!
Nice hatchet job on Kansas last night. He has it coming.
How come it’s ok to do a hatchet job on the troll (he deserves it) and I get ctiticized for going after kswolverine?
“Snuffy Smith” –
Yup. Poor, sad ol’ “Kansas” spent most of yesterday getting bitch-slapped by facts, logic, and intelligent argument.
It was a hoot last night when “Kansas” announced that he was retiring for the night then all of a sudden a bunch of first-time posters (i.e., sock-puppets) showed up in this forum singing the praises of “Kansas.”
Fact is, there are sometimes some valid arguments for causes and issues “Kansas” advocates. But even the most true believers of conservatism must cringe when they see that “Kansas” is taking up their cause. It’s like when Britany Spears expressed her support for George WMD Bush. “Damn,” they must think, “we don’t need *you* on our side!”
Hey X
I can’t hurt that guy with anything he doesn’t give me to hit him over the head with. I aint sure I can lift everything he gives me to hit him with. But I’m open to trying!
Yawn JC over at 9 LOL
What’s more, Troll JC, it’s none of your business!!
An interesting take on the new information from the Azner PM of Spain’s memo.
by Juan Cole
Quote–
The second claim that I made was that Bush was aware of, and rejected, an offer by Saddam Hussein to flee Iraq, probably for Saudi Arabia, presuming he could take out with him a billion dollars and some documents on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. Both provisions were intended by Saddam to protect him from later retaliation. The money would buy him protection from extradition, and the documents presumably showed that the Reagan and Bush senior administrations had secretly authorized his chemical and biological weapons programs. With these documents in his possession, it was unlikely that Bush would come after him, since he could ruin the reputation of the Bush family if he did. The destruction of these documents was presumably Bush’s goal when he had Rumsfeld order US military personnel not to interfere with the looting and burning of government offices after the fall of Saddam. The looting, which set off the guerrilla war, also functioned as a vast shredding party, destroying incriminating evidence about the complicity of the Bushes and Rumsfeld in Iraq’s war crimes.
The claims by some pundits that Saddam’s reported desire to take documents on his WMD programs out of the country proves he had such programs in 2003 or that he wanted to somehow retain specialized knowledge involved in them, are silly. Saddam had destroyed his chemical, nuclear and biological programs and stockpiles, which we know from the most extensive postwar inspections in the history of mammal life. Almost certainly, he wanted to keep with him the documents that showed precisely that– that he was in fact in compliance with UN resolutions (which he was) and so could not on those grounds be subject to extraordinary rendition and delivered to the Hague. Also, as I say, he may well have wanted to keep with him documents with which to blackmail the Bush family, which in the 1980s had been involved in winking at and enabling his WMD capabilities.
(The objections of some observers that Saddam could have avoided the war by just admitting he had destroyed his WMD and providing the documentation ignore what we have since found out– that Saddam was afraid that if the world knew he had no chemical weapons left, the Shiites, Kurds and Iranians would finish him off in no time. He could not hope to stay in power if he came clean on this matter, but once he left power he knew that his actions of the 1980s could get him convicted at the Hague and so he needed to keep with him documentation on his Reagan/ Bush partners in crime as a hedge.)
Aznar asked Bush if he would grant Saddam these guarantees, and Bush roared back that he would not. (That is the answer to those who want to know where in the text Bush declines Saddam’s offer to flee. Nobody in his right mind would flee without guarantees; by declining them, Bush scotched the deal.) END QUOTE
http://www.juancole.com/2007/09/bush-aznar-transcript-war-crime-of.html
Bush said repeatedly that he was going to invade Iraq “to take out Saddam, the dictator” and for awhile pretended to give Saddam the option of exiling himself.
But after he met with Blair in the Canary Islands (?), he admitted that the US would invade even if Saddam fled.
Another lie.
The Aznar documents show that Bush was determined to invade and occupy Iraq under the pretext of “terrorism.”
Soooo When is CNN/MSNBC et al, going to AIR this conversation, or at least the transcript?? This could advance the attempt at impeachment, if it made headlines…
Beware of the Sock Puppet Parade… I think I hear the sound of the cacophany now!! LOL
If y’all didn’t have Kansas around, you wouldn’t have anything to talk about.
If Fox News didn’t exist, y’all would be holding hands, swaying to the music, and singing Kumbaya.
I guess you had to dream up the JR character to be assigned to guard Kansas all day and all night.
Keep bangin away Kansas, I didn’t see where anyone kicked your tail last night. They sure look stupid trying all the time though.
Anti-war protestors have blockaded Constitution Avenue in Washington, DC.
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/141001/index.php
The new message is “move from protest to resistance.”
How come it’s ok to do a hatchet job on the troll (he deserves it) and I get ctiticized for going after kswolverine?
Posted by: Apophis | September 30, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Apophis,I know there’s been a couple of times we’ve disagreed, but I sure don’t remember criticizing you for going after anybody.
Am I having a senior moment?
If the Republicans won’t pull US troops out of Iraq, and the Democrats won’t pull US troops out of Iraq, protests likely will increase.
Who’s your favorite political party?
Which one ya going to brag about?
“I guess you had to dream up the JR character to be assigned to guard Kansas all day and all night.”
Max,there’s just no way we could have dreamed up JR. He is his own creation, one of a kind so to speak. The thing about JR? He has as much time as Kansas to spend on this blog. By the time JR gets done with Kansas, there’ll be nothing but a quivering mass of sh*t left. That boy is like a junkyard dog. Once he gets hold, ain’t no shaking him off.
Keep bangin away Kansas, I didn’t see where anyone kicked your tail last night. They sure look stupid trying all the time though.
Posted by: Max | September 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM
It’d be in your best interest if Kansas does stay around for a while. I notice you got JR’s attention, too. You only have 3 interests on this blog, guns, SS, and Hillary’s campaign finance. By the way, we know the campaign finance thing is double-speak for you don’t want a woman for president.
Smell a rat at the Dallas Morning News?
http://dallasmorningviews.beloblog.com/
Yikes X, I gotta choke back a blush.
Well, I’ve not entirely the time that “kansas” has to make trouble here. You can find him or some incarnation of him at all hours.
Thing is? I would think that those of a similar politics to him would help police him. He makes you all look bad.
Oh and Max? Rest secure that I’m no construct.
That’s true Max… I have met JR, and he is definitely a real person… not a figment of anybody’s imagination….
Here let’s see if stuff from the night can stand the light of day.
What I don’t know is the why. Why would anyone seemingly need to use so many nics?
Posted by: J R | September 29, 2007 at 10:34 PM
It’s an anonymous blog, get it?
I’m not JM Walker!
There is no sign in.
There is no requirement to use a real name.
There is no requirement to use the same name.
Stop focusing on the people in this blog and try to focus on the issues.
That’s why I’m here. Why are you here?
That’s from last night. He has made the same case before.
Well gosh folks, I know opinions are like assholes and everyone has one. But that guys style of blogging is like the aftermath of a dinner party of a bean buffet. Any obnoxious or even agreeable issuance can come from….anyone. It’s a costume party! I can be you or me or anyone. If he says something that brings his credibility or even his mental balance into question?
Voilla! Presto chango, he’s someone else!
Max, maybe you wern’t blogging when “Kansas” was famous for calling the vietman vets on the blog baby killers, Nic Stealing, and trashing groups like the patriot guard.
Oops didn’t quite get it all.
That cut n paste is from “kansas”. Oh and I did not accuse him of being J M Walker either. I accused him of being one JM.
Max asks, who are the anti-war warriors going to protest since the Dems seem to back the war too?
Answer: we’ll resist any policy to continue the war no matter from whom it comes.
Remember, in 1968, the protestors disrupted the DEMOCRATIC national convention in Chicago because LBJ had increased the war.
While I disagreed with their tatics then (I was just a kid) and I disagree with them now — they BLEW a great opportunity to effect real change in this country — the point is that the anti-war movement opposes the illegal and immoral war in Iraq. And we’ll oppose anyone in a position of power who chooses to continue it.
For clarification, the anti-war movement has not opposed the war in Afghanistan for the most part.
True, it was and is badly run — Bush is Bush after all — and hasn’t met its objectives of knocking out Bin Laden, but no one (well, very few) will argue that we shouldn’t retaliate against groups that attack us.
The Taliban gov’t of Afghanistan was complicit in terror attacks against the US, and they had to be taken out.
That’s why the entire world rallied to join the coalition of invading Afghanistan, unlike Iraq.
By the way, we know the campaign finance thing is double-speak for you don’t want a woman for president.
Posted by: XXX | September 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM
No, I oppose her for all the reasons I listed yesterday on the open thread.
I have no problem voting for a woman, if at some point a qualified woman runs for President.
XXX, I saw you even now criticize Hillary for her Iraq position. (Her latest position that is)
1. Record increase in income taxes.
2. Record increase in Socialist government programs.
3. Hillarycare! will control our health.
4. Guns will be banned. (That will control our ability to live – just in case Hillarycare! doesn’t kill us off fast enough)
5. She will surrender US troops in Iraq OR not.
6. She will do nothing to increase US Energy Independence.
7. She will sign a Kyoto type treaty that will send even more US jobs overseas.
8. After taking a weak position on National Defense and cutting Defense spending, Hillary will crap her dress when Iran drops a nuke on San Francisco and NYC. Then she’ll blame Bush. Then she’ll go to the UN and cry for help. Then she’ll hand over control of our military to the UN.
The USA will be totally screwed.
8. After taking a weak position on National Defense and cutting Defense spending, Hillary will crap her dress when Iran drops a nuke on San Francisco and NYC. Then she’ll blame Bush. Then she’ll go to the UN and cry for help. Then she’ll hand over control of our military to the UN.The USA will be totally screwed.
Posted by: Max | September 30, 2007 at 12:52 PM
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Max — you watching too much 24??? Hillary cant turn control of the military over to the UN!!
Thats only in Hollyweird, an in Hannity ans Savage’s warped minds!! Get Real at least… You have absolutely SANE reason to make such a statement!!
88 — correction — NO SAN E REASON!!
Looks like you been drinking too much of that Iowa Corn, dude!!
“XXX, I saw you even now criticize Hillary for her Iraq position. (Her latest position that is)”
Max, unlike you, I really am an independent. I realize you’re a newbie here. But I’ve ripped into Democrats and some liberal posters here before, and some conservatives on this blog are my friends.
Now show me where you’ve ever voiced an opinion on this blog that doesn’t identify you as a republican shill.
Would that be a Shill, or a Shrill, XXX??
Hey, XXX — you and the Mrs. recovering OK still???
To those of you new to the WEBlog, we thought it might be nice to provide you an intro to the many posters here. Some of these are multiple personalities and two NIC’s or more cover the same human being at home behind a PC.
Welcome new posters:
Capn: Jimmy Durante with his nose stuck up the ass of a donkey.
Chas: Barney Fife, with one crucifix in his pocket. Or Barney the dinosaur. Or Church Lady from Saturday Night Live.
Nathan: Andy Griffith reminding Barney to keep his crucifix in his pocket.
Hank: Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke (James Arness)
Eagle Beak: Thinks he is John Wayne (Sands of Iwo Jima)
WSClark: The Donkey (with Capn up his rear)
XXX: Peter Fonda (Easy Rider)
PoliticalMom: Rosie O’Donnell typing with a donut in one hand and another in her mouth. Or, The WHINER (Saturday Night Live)
Mary Caruso: Barney’s girlfriend Thelma Lou (Betty Wire) or, Phyllis Diller
Max: Sam Shepard as Chuck Yeager (The Right Stuff), Charlton Heston (responding to those in favor of gun control, he proclaimed they would have to pry it “from my cold, dead hands”.)
GMC70: F. Lee Bailey or Fred Thompson (Law and Order)
Vaughn: Richard Dysart as Leland McKenzie (LA Law)
Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker: Peter Lorre (The Raven)
JR: Rob Reiner the Meathead (All in the family), the perfect liberal meathead or his ego: Masi Oka in “Heroes” as Hiro Nakamura , he is also the 1968 spelling champion of the US.Cosmos: Carl Sagan (Billions and billions of stars….) or Jerry Lewis (The nutty professor)
Kansas: Gregory Peck (Moby Dick, limping around on his peg leg chasing the great white wale)
KSfarmgirl: Actually more like Kathy Bates in bib overalls, but wants to be believe she is the author of . Dykes to Watch Out For comic strip writer, Alison Bechdel http://www.unt.edu/ally/h_ally_pics/alison_bechdel.jpg
Don’t worry, folks.
Pretty soon an overworked nurse will wheel Max back in front of the television so he can watch “The Lawrence Welk Show” along with the other folks there in “the home.”
Don’t forget to take all the pills in the little paper cup, Max.
We don’t want to have to call over the orderlies to hold you down again . . .
You don’t want that either, do you, Max.
Hey, XXX — you and the Mrs. recovering OK still???
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 01:20 PM
Thanks for asking Chas, yes we’re doing fine. Mrs XXX has a quarter size scar on her knee. Such a shame to mark such a fine pair of legs.
I continue to regain motion in my shoulder and the feeling has come back to most of my leg.
Posted by: Blog Welcoming Committee | September 30, 2007 at 01:25 PM
BWC, thanks for the positive comparison! I always liked Peter Fonda in Easy Rider. Very kind of you.
He? forgot to include himself in the cast of characters.
blog welcoming committe:anonymous toady for the right.
Oh come on JR,You’re just mad because you don’t get to be Peter Fonda, LOL!
Sagan, Reiner, Jerry Lewis
I think he MEANT to insult me. I am honored to be compared to such men. Even if it has to come from a mad bomber.
I am honoredPosted by: J R
We considered excluding you J R because we knew it would go to your head. But the committee voted to include you because you will be here like stink on s-it, until you get another day job. The compromise was the spelling comment.
Well Max, or JM, or whoever is posting now..
Rosie O’Donnell eh? Oh lets see, not that it bothers me, I like Rosie just fine. She’s farther left than I, she’s gay and I’m not, she’s louder than I am, and I’m a blonde.
But I do like donuts.
“Any obnoxious or even agreeable issuance can come from….anyone. It’s a costume party! I can be you or me or anyone. If he says something that brings his credibility or even his mental balance into question?
Voilla! Presto chango, he’s someone else!”
Kind of reminds me of what the John Lennon said:
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.I’m crying….
I am the eggman, they are the eggman.I am the walrus, goo goo gjoob.
“goo goo gjoob.” Steven Davis
Of course I am not old enough to have listened to it on scratched up 45’s, but I’m not sure those are the words or how they were pronounced.
That’s true Max… I have met JR, and he is definitely a real person… not a figment of anybody’s imagination….
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 11:46 AM
How’d you manage that Chas? You’ve only been here a few months and J R has been gone since Feb March.
How would you have met him before if you aren’t using a new “nic” instead of your old one?
How would you have met him before if you aren’t using a new “nic” instead of your old one?
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 02:54 PM
You’d know the answer to that if you’d been paying attention. It’s been explained earlier.
Numbnuts.
I was here before 9 a.m., haven’t read the blog since then.
Well are all the libs now staunchly in Hillary’s loving arms? I don’t see how you can support her after her changing position on the war.
Hell, I liked her better when she flat out said she would bring the troops home (withdrawal). At least that was strong and to the point – and even though I don’t want her as president, I felt sure there would be some end to the Iraq mess.
Bring the troops home!
Wouldnt you like to know, eh Kansas?? Not gonna tell you, cause it isnt any of YOUR business, or any of your troll sock puppets either!!
Just stay out of my way on here, oK??? Youre totally worthless!!
I’ll verify that Chas met J.R.
I was there.
Just stay out of my way on here, oK??? Youre totally worthless!!
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 03:17 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot Chas or the big bad J R come and get me.
Like he tried to do the last time and failed. Went home crying that his friends had forsaken him and ran off to the Wichita Voice Blog.
J R got his butt kicked by me and doesn’t remember it. How cute. :)
I noticed a distinct absence of KANSAS in that lengthy, if not somewhat inaccurate description of the Cast of Characters… Maybe thats cause he was too busy running the Blog Committee LOL
And here, I thought everybody was out of Troll food today…
No Chas, it’s Sunday…I go to Sunday School, Church then have lunch, watched some TV and showed up here.
Which by the way, I see once again that Chas the Minister wasn’t in Church.
Now I know Kansas is a liar… JR doesnt get his butt kicked by ANYbody, so far as I can tell…
I’m still here aren’t I? He still has an identity crisis solution doesn’t he?
He lost and lost badly.
Well, there you go again…. Somebodfy already ASKED me about church… long time ago!! and YOU MISSED IT!!! I went to an EARLY service today… of course if that doesnt meat with your supposed master control issues, then just STUFF IT TROLL!!
Don’t play stupid Kansas. You admitted last night that you were “khan” and Republikhan. The latter was the nic you were using before my absence from the blog.
But keep up the entertainment of the sock puppets.
Bloggers who have met me and can confirm that I am, indeed, a real person. I’ll even put in order I met them as best I remember.
XXX, JM Walker, Mary Caruso (damoon), kansasfargrrl, Hank Price, Nathan, Steven Davis, mrcontroversy, Ben, Julie, writerdog, CF, Rage, Jed, Rox, gster, political mom, all the Eagle edittors, outlander, Joe Williams, Mrage, GMC, Vaughn Tolle, Capn America, and Chas.
I apologize for anybody I missed.
“Don’t play stupid Kansas. You admitted last night that you were “khan” and Republikhan.”
duh!
It’s in my typepad name.
Furthermore, if I dont want to attend a service, so what?? One doesnt need to attend a service to worship the greatness of Creation, and the Creator!!!
LOL stupid TROLL
And I have met .morg, JWink, CF, Doug, Tom, Steven D., and Chas. and J.R.
Who have you met on the WEBlog, Kansas?
Is there even ONE other person?
This is FALL… Why would anybody want to waste a day of the Creator’s annual art gallery, by spending it in a box with colored windows???
Wanna know what is cool about a blog “Kansas”? It has an archive.
So
If you EVER “kicked my butt” in the more than a year you have been posting here under various nics? Well it should be a simple matter to provide a link or a cut n paste.
I’ll start the clock now. There is no time limit.
GO!
BW, Kansas… I’ve been hanging around the Blogs since at least the time Terry Shaivo case… Wow, what a bunch of crap I saw being posted here then…
oops ** BW = BTW
Who have you met on the WEBlog, Kansas?
Is there even ONE other person?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 30, 2007 at 03:31 PM
No one that I am aware of meeting. I have met the Publisher of WE Blog a couple of times, maybe three. Don’t really know him, just met him.
AND… no — I dont use another nic either!! sorry, ding a ling
BW, Kansas… I’ve been hanging around the Blogs since at least the time Terry Shaivo case… Wow, what a bunch of crap I saw being posted here then…
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 03:33 PM
That’s a good line Chas, I believe you, maybe.
SO, Kansas — IF you have never met anybody on the blog, then STOP POSTING THNGS AS IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW PEOPLE!!! GOT IT??? And that means all of your crap about what I do for a living… and all of your other trash….
Oh yeah, I met .morg too. And I was in the same room with but had no desire to meet KsGolfnut.
So Kansas has no independent verification that anything he says about himself is true.
How conveeenient!
Take a chill pill Chas and check your blood pressure.
I guesss I must have started watching the Blogs about August, 2004… when I was up in Sioux City…
Two years before me Chas. I thought you said you came from the Houston area.
THERE YOU GO AGAIN, you crazy Blog Freak…. I dont HAVE a blood pressure problem… and I dont take pills for it either!!
STOP SAYING THINGS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!
And DITTO what CapN just said too!! LOL
“… but I’m not sure those are the words or how they were pronounced.”
I don’t have a recollection of that song being on a 45. It came after the Beatles stopped playing live and then devoted themselves to album music.
This is the site I got the lyrics from:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/i+am+the+walrus_10026521.html
Nope… see, thats more of your LIES Kansas… I never said I came from Houston…
I came from right here in Wichita… born and raised right here in this not so bad city…
You wouldn’t be from Batumbe – Matumbe – Latumbe – Rotunde Iowa would you Chas? Don’t remember the spelling.
Oh and I met Jwink..
Find that “butt kicking” you supposedly gave me yet Kansas JM?
Maybe I’ll get one of your earlier greatest spits.
NO Kansas… can you not read???
I am from W I C H I T A!!! I typed slow, cause I know you cant read fast!! LOL
Radar O’Riley was from the little community of Ottumwa, IA… Just ask Troll Max… he can tell you all about that…
You just said you watched the blog from Iowa and I asked you what city.
It’s irrelevant what you asked, because I already posted what city… Idiot!!
Okay Chas, chill now, everything will be okay. :)
No, it wont be OK, until you go find your rock, and crawl back under it… where you belong!!
I am evil Chas, don’t you know. I will be with you always.
That’s the thing about trying to make a list. You leave somebody out.
I also met lindainks
Well, finally you admit it!! LOL Thats a step in the right direction!!
That last post was not directed at JR… but at Kansas/Khan/Republikhan/etc., etc.
Ya know what? Come to think of it, I think I’ve met more of the bloggers in person than anyone else here. Lucky me.
JR you have met a lot more than I have — very nice!!
You forgot “Belial” Chas, I’ve been in your dreams.
I would wonder if J R does hold the record. I think I have met all that he lists except Rage, Rox, and Chas.
Also, I distinctly recall that J R did not join the boycott that Kansas mentions. So, would that be another fib? Surely not!
Also, I distinctly recall that J R did not join the boycott that Kansas mentions. So, would that be another fib? Surely not!
Posted by: Steven Davis | September 30, 2007 at 04:02 PM
“Like he tried to do the last time and failed. Went home crying that his friends had forsaken him and ran off to the Wichita Voice Blog.”
Kansas wouldn’t dare show his face at a meet-up. That’s why he doesn’t know anyone on the blog.
Kansas wouldn’t dare show his face at a meet-up. That’s why he doesn’t know anyone on the blog.
Posted by: XXX | September 30, 2007 at 04:09 PM
You’re probably right there XXX, I wouldn’t want to have you arrested for assault.
Steven… What town do you live in??
“kansas”?
Don’t you EVER get tired of embarrassing yourself?
While I respected and admired those who boycotted the blog this last March, I was not entirely in agreement with them. I supported their reasons (dealing with a heavy hand with posters like YOU) but not the solution they were seeking. I continued posting as normal until my web access device failed about a week before the boycott ended. I’ve been infrequently off and on the blog since then. The archives bare that out.
Are you still looking for any instance where you “kicked my butt”?
Kansas, XXX wouldnt assault anybody, except for somebody who tried to run him down on his motorcycle LOL
“web access device failed”
Web TV as I recall.
So J R, are you still living off the government or staying at momma’s?
“Kansas” JM
You’re collecting a government check aren’t you?
I am not.
Oh and dipshit? If I lived at my mothers, I would not have been absent the blog. That is where I occasionally posted from these last 6 months. Where do YOU live? In a mineshaft?
Yes, I get a government check and I ask most of it to be taken out of Capn’s paycheck directly.
You had a job then J R? Why isn’t you couldn’t afford to buy a used computer and fix it up?
How exactly does that Vision Card work J R? I need some education on that.
Never having had one, I wouldn’t know. Seeking to bilk more out of the treasury than you do already? Sorry, I’ve no help for you. And I wouldn’t help you if I did.
Your a burden on society “Kansas” JM. You are fortunate for the compassion of the liberals you so fight. In cultures past, you would have been deemed not fit to live.
Thank a liberal
You’re welcome.
“You are fortunate for the compassion of the liberals you so fight. In cultures past, you would have been deemed not fit to live.”
Well, thank you for my life J R. I wasn’t aware of your omnipotence in that regard.
Perhaps I will visit you in your dreams and we can exchange ideas.
I have a plan I want you to execute.
In your dreams is the only place you’ll ever meet me pariah.
Aren’t you supposed to be posting the proof that you ever “kicked my butt” in some way or other? You go get that done. Then I’ll play with you some more.
I will visit you soon.
Uh huh
While I wait (go outside to enjoy a beautiful day) let’s play a game.
Not you “kansas” you’re the ball.
It’s an open forum. Anyone here put any credibility at all in anything “kansas” posts? Does anyone think he is anything more than an annoyance?
Weigh in now the subject is “kansas” thumbs up or down?
I have Caesar’s thumb for doing that. It is fragment of bone now though.
WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats have chosen an unlikely source to pay for the bulk of their proposed $35 billion increase in children’s health coverage: people with relatively little money and education.
The program expansion passed by the House and Senate last week would be financed with a 156 percent increase in the federal cigarette tax, taking it to $1 per pack from the current 39 cents. Low-income people smoke more heavily than do wealthier people in the United States, making cigarette taxes a regressive form of revenue.
U.S., Iraqi Forces: More Than 60 Insurgents Killed
Sunday, September 30, 2007
* E-MAIL STORY* PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
BAGHDAD — U.S. and Iraqi forces on Sunday reported killing more than 60 insurgent and militia fighters in intense battles over the weekend mainly in the north of the country, with most of the casualties believed to have been Al Qaeda fighters…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298664,00.html
J R,
Two thumbs down re Kansas. He has zero credibility.
Cool.
We’re back to the “body counts” now.
I remember them well.
If the body counts in Vietnam had been accurate, we would have killed everybody in the country several times over, heigh ho . . .
JR–
Down, of course.
Capn,
Not to mention that we’re making new enemies faster than we’re killing them.
The first poll series has closed. There will be more.
http://7-oops-7.blogspot.com/2007/09/second-poll-series.html
“Went home crying that his friends had forsaken him and ran off to the Wichita Voice Blog.”
I was wrong, I mis-read your post as implying J R ran off to the Wichita Voice Blog. Your wording is somewhat ambiguous, but I think you meant that his friends had left. So, I take it back about this being a falsehood. Wouldn’t want to falsely accuse when there are so many examples where you are nailed dead to rights.
I have no idea who this “das” is and thus will decline saying what town I live in.
Poor people can quit smoking, too. To claim that the tax is regressive is just bull shit. But consider the source.
Kansas has no credibility to anyone here except maybe Max. But again, consider that source.
Kansas’s behavior can be shaped; the problem is, that is not worth the trouble. It is usually best to ignore him and I have failed at my “best practices” recommendations on him before.
Steven, Das is a friend of mine, that gets on the blog between making presentations…
He was using my computer for a few minutes while i made something to eat
BAGHDAD — U.S. and Iraqi forces on Sunday reported killing more than 60 insurgent and militia fighters in intense battles over the weekend mainly in the north of the country, with most of the casualties believed to have been Al Qaeda fighters…Posted by Kansas
Most of the casualties believed to have been Al Qaeda fighters.
How do they know they are al Qaeda fighters, do they carry membership cards?
They must have name tags, or a tattoo on their foreheads LOL
Steven, I see from the post, that das didnt post what i told him to post… i told him to say that Chas. wanted to know what town you are in…
So Chas has a make-believe friend now that posts from his computer.
(wink wink)
COL
ORADO
The problem is that all Arabs names look alike. I don’t think anyone has a cue who is dying over there.
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Military Reports It Has Killed A Senior Leader of Al Qaeda In Iraq, But Was He Killed A Year Ago?
The U.S. military announced today that it has killed a “senior leader of al Qaeda in Iraq.” Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson “identified the man as Abu Usama al-Tunisi, a Tunisian described as a close associate and likely successor to Abu Ayyub al-Masri, Al-Qaeda in Iraq’s Egyptian leader.”CNN quickly jumped on the story, reporting that al-Tunisi was “killed Tuesday south of Baghdad.” CNN’s Jamie McIntyre reported:
[The military was] able to zero in on this al Qaeda leader in a series of operations that began in early September, and it’s really a textbook of how the U.S. military is operating. Each operation, they capture somebody who’s a little bit closer to the guy they’re looking for.
CNN said the death was confirmed by a hand-written note from al-Tunisi that was found in the aftermath of an airstrike “in which he says he’s surrounded and desperate for help.” “The main thing here,” McIntyre reported, “is the U.S. military insists this was a dangerous terrorist” and it deals “a serious blow” to the al Qaeda leadership.
But terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann issued a “global terror alert” last year stating that al-Tunisi had died in July 2006. Kohlman’s report quotes a release from a terrorist group:“The martyrdom of Abu Usama al-Tunisi [from Tunisia], the commander of [Al-Qaida's] Aeisha Brigade [tasked with air defense missions]… I announce the news to the Islamic nation regarding the martyrdom of one of its heroes and true men.”While it’s possible that there could have been two different Abu Usama al-Tunisis, it is the responsibility of news organizations to resolve these kinds of questions and double-check the facts before reporting them.
Moreover, there is reason for skepticism. In July, the U.S. command in Baghdad “ballyhooed the killing of a key al Qaeda leader but later admitted that the military had declared him dead a year ago.” Also in July, the military announced the capture of a “top leader of al Qaeda in Iraq” who had been captured weeks ago.
They are doing anything they can to make us think the surge is working!! LOL
No Kansas, my friend is very real… stays with me when he is in town…
Anyone else see this very interesting Washington Post article? It is about the unexpected effectiveness and tenaciousness of IEDs in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/29/AR2007092900750.html?hpid=topnews
My favorite line from the article:
“Or, as an officer writing in Marine Corps Gazette recently put it, ‘The Flintstones are adapting faster than the Jetsons.’”
You can guess who the Flintstones and Jetsons are.
good one steven!!
Chas, Kansas wouldn’t understand that since he has no friends.
JR, Thumbs down on Kansas. He’s a creep.
Yes, good one!
We Democratics love to make fun of our military. Buncha losers.
You’re probably right there XXX, I wouldn’t want to have you arrested for assault.
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 04:11 PM
Wouldn’t dirty my hands.
Yep, XXX youre right on that… and i give it a “thumbs down” too
Well, time for dinner… das has to leave for a presentation tonite… and flies out at 7 a.m. for Nw York and Boston tomorrow… sooo, I need to fix dinner, and get some sleep… be back later…. have a good evening!!
“Or, as an officer writing in Marine Corps Gazette recently put it, ‘The Flintstones are adapting faster than the Jetsons.’” Posted by: Steven Davis | September 30, 2007 at 06:04 PM
That is very true. I read a year or so ago the the insurgents were adapting faster than we were. I have read articles by terrorist experts that we can not win using our military. When I we going to adapt?
Sorry for the mistakes, I was in a hurry and didn’t proof read.
That is very true. I read a year or so ago the the insurgents were adapting faster than we were. I have read articles by terrorist experts that we can not win using our military. When I we going to adapt?
Posted by: kscitydude | September 30, 2007 at 06:18 PM
I’m sure the terrorists are overjoyed with all their cheerleaders in the U.S. Perhaps a pen pal relationship may start?
Im sure Kansas is an expert on terrorists too… why not?? he thinks he is an expert on everything else!! LOL
“We Democratics love to make fun of our military. Buncha losers.”
To clarify, I was not making fun of our military, merely quoting a Marine who apparently has first hand knowledge of the situation. A Marine not afraid to speak the truth – an action too many dead-ender Republicans are afraid of.
Steven, I once lived in a teeny tiny little town out by Dodge City… nearly 30 years ago now… I thought you might know some folks out there??
I’m sure Chas is an expert on mind reading too… why not?? he thinks he is an expert on every one else!! LOL
I lived in Ellis and Hays [Volga-German country] in the late 70’s early 80’s, but have never lived in Southwest Kansas.
I’m sure the terrorists are overjoyed with all their cheerleaders in the U.S. Perhaps a pen pal relationship may start? Posted by Kansas
=======================You are differently in denial. We are spending billions, they are spending thousands, we have over 160,000 troops, they have a few thousand fighters. We are not adapting to win, they are.
differently should be definitely–spell check doesn’t work if you use the wrong word. It’s been a very, very long day.
We are not adapting to win, they are. Posted by: kscitydude | September 30, 2007 at 07:09 PM
Way to go! You’ll have that repeated as the National Mantra of Al Qaedacratic party in no time!
repeat it now…
“We are not adapting to win, they are.”
“We are not adapting to win, they are.’
“We are not adapting to win, they are.”
Yay Al Qaedacrats! Go team!
I have a proposal.Every day we should have a thread called “The ring”. All the drama and stuff can be reserved for that thread. Originally, the open thread was a great way to post interesting articles that weren’t covered by the WEBLOG. These days, such articles are scrolled over, or perhaps a single sentence is thrown at it, in order to continue the pointless bickering. Both sides, liberals and conservatives, are to blame for this. I’ve been watching the blog, posting occasionally for over two years now, and I’ve never seen it as clogged up with crap as it is now. I wonder if the reason some of the most thoughtful posters are rarely found anymore is because the blog is overrun with trolls and those who are trying to out them.
I would have loved to see more discussion on the talks between Bush and Jose Maria Aznar, unless I missed it in another thread. “The time has come to get rid of him. That’s the way it is. We’ll be in Bagdad by the end of March.”
Well, I am way too young to be lecturing all of y’all, so here is kind of a funny article for you: CIA and U.S. Army officially declared terrorist organizations: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdVphwtHPpy9Q9tjjJ_nrCbbPG3gD8RVCR2O0
Aaah, whenever someone disagrees with out tactics in Iraq, label them a terrorist coddler or a traitor.
Didn’t that go out of vogue in 2003?
Yay Al Qaedacrats! Go team!
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 07:13 PM
I know it is asking too much of SOME brain-dead, dead-enders, but you should at least read the article, so that you might comment semi-intelligently. I know it is scary to try new things, but surely you can give a shot once in your pathetic life.
I wonder if the reason some of the most thoughtful posters are rarely found anymore is because the blog is overrun with trolls and those who are trying to out them. Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Here here!
If the libs would just shut up about everyone being a troll and just discuss topics like I’ve requested many times, it would be a much better blog.
Evidently, they didn’t get their pound of flesh when they were younger and feel they need to take it out now.
Delayed puberty…
but surely you can give a shot once in your pathetic life.
Posted by: Steven Davis | September 30, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Well, with those words of encouragement, how can I not?(smirks)
Yup, I’m with you, Tara.
One or two questions directed at Kansas, and the whole thread becomes all-Kansas, all-the-time.
We all need to take some “personal responsibility” as the Repukes say and
WALK
ON
BY.
Nice try. I knew there was no chance you’d read anything that might contradict your set way of thinking. Can’t blame me for your self imposed ignorance – that responsibility (you know the “r” word) would belong exclusively with you.
Aaah, whenever someone disagrees with out tactics in Iraq, label them a terrorist coddler or a traitor.
Didn’t that go out of vogue in 2003?
Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Well Tara,
I posted how U.S. and Iraqis took out a great number of insurgents.
So, what followed by the Liberalcrats? You know the usual, the mistaken identity of a terrorist. How terrorists are so much smarter than the U.S. military can adapt.
Instead of acknowledging the news of success in Iraq, they tear it down, milk it for subtle and subversive political agenda and infer the U.S. military is incompetent.
If that’s what you call discussion , then so be it.
I call it lack of principle.
I guess believing anything except “The U.S. is winning the war in Iraq” makes you a cheerleader for Al-qaeda.
Since brute force doesn’t seem to be working, what is the next step? Surely there has to be another way besides pulling out altogether. Or maybe not. I don’t know, since we broke their country it feels like we’re obligated to fix it, but if they don’t want us there…
I wonder how we can work on hearts and minds without empowering the enemy.
Yup, Capn,
That is the “best practices” with that fellow.
Kansas,I believe it’s called being realistic, not having a lack of principal. When you look at a situation and say “hmm, this isn’w working, HOW can we fix it”.
Since brute force doesn’t seem to be working, what is the next step? Surely there has to be another way besides pulling out altogether. Or maybe not. I don’t know, since we broke their country it feels like we’re obligated to fix it, but if they don’t want us there…Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:26 PM
So you believe that General Petraeus is a liar and the surge is not working?
The construction in the country is on going. Saddam Hussein kept most of Iraq’s income for himself and his cronies, the Iraqi people got nothing. Or do you not remember that Tara?
So Tara, there is nothing positive you want to say about what is happening in Iraq. The military are just a bunch of incompetent buffoons according to you right?
Notices the “ganging up” by the libs every time I try to have a discussion with one person.
And DITTO on the Aznar memo.
This is explosive stuff, folks.
It shows
1. Bush was lying to the American people and the world when he said in February that he “hadn’t made up my mind.” He told Aznar he was going in by the middle of March (he wanted March 10th) with or without a UN resolution calling for force. (The UN did not give Bush a resolution justifying force.)
2. Bush threatened potential coalition members with “retaliation” if they did not support us. Although both Germany and France sent troops to Afghanistan, both refused to be intimidated into a war of choice in Iraq.
3. Bush lied again when he said that war could be averted if Saddam would agree to exile. This now public information shows that Bush was not willing to forgo war even if Saddam fled the country.
He also stated as much after he and Tony Blair met in the Azores IIRC–they were going in whether Saddam left Iraq or not.
4. Bush assured Aznar that the oil fields would be well-protected (as opposed to the first time when Saddam set fire to the oil wells) and that the Saudis had already promised to make up Iraq oil shortfalls.
This is strong circumstancial evidence that controlling the oil was key to Bush’s hard-on for war, as if it isn’t obvious . . .
Nothing to discuss there Capn – yet another “Bush lied” topic.
yawn…
“The military are just a bunch of incompetent buffoons according to you right?”
I think this is where I employ that “walk on by”. I’ve never stated anything like that, nor have I posted anything disrepectful about those serving.
(Except maybe Marines are pretty touchy-feely at the clubs here–but they’re really generous with the drinks)
I find it difficult to imagine exactly what a victory in Iraq looks like. Continue to blow up insurgents as they are being created, resulting in more and more Iraqi casualties, resulting in more people wanting revenge….
I dunno, I am just having difficulty seeing the light right now.
Of course, my opinion of Iraq will always be bittered with the fact that it had nothing to do with 9.11 and we went in for absolutely no reason and I was opposed to it from the beginning.
I’m trying to let that go, but it’s hard sometimes ;)
Yes! The Aznar memo is very serious. I wish people would just READ the damn thing and realize just how serious it is. Our president lied and manipulated us into the war and it is HIS fault that so many innocent lives have been lost.
Nobody likes to read things that go against their opinion, though. It’s just nature.
But Jesus, READ the article, it’s infuriating. How can you still support him after that?
“Bush lied, yawn”.
“Nothing to discuss”
No, it’s a bit more serious than a “yawn”. Think of all the people who have been killed, and to accomplish what?
This is damning, even more so than the Downing street memo.
But of course nobody’s going to DO anything about it, and that’s infuriating as well.
Hi Tara!
The blogger who actually drew Nathan a picture.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. This is the essence of a bush supporter. In a diluted way, it is fundamental to conservatism. Something either is, or it isn’t. Conservatives also have trouble with the concept that they could ever be wrong.
Perhaps you have never been shot at by Saddam Hussein’s forces Tara?
I have and have little appreciation of a missle and a wink thrown in my direction.
This happened all through the 1990s when Saddam was supposed to be compliant.
Our allies, the French and Germans were smuggling in replacement weapons parts in exchange for oil. The same weapons fired at us then and later.
Saddam Hussein had his eyes on controlling Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. I suppose that would be okay with you right? Or would you think that an evil dictator needed to be stopped.
When Senators and Congress peoples of both sides of the aisle supported the invasion and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, then changed their “speech” when it became politically expedient. That’s okay right?
It is always the easy way out to point out fault rather than to stay concentrated on goals. The Democratization plan was not written by George W. Bush, it was written and signed by William J. Clinton.
It was Clinton’s plan that was included when the formal resolution to invade Iraq began.
You do know what Democratization encompasses don’t you?
It involves sacrifice, steadfast courage and commitment.
Aznar memo…oh brother.
Another Liberal extravaganza story.
When are you Libs going to stop running the country by press and start running it on principle.
Perhaps you have never been shot at
by Saddam Hussein’s forces Tara?
I have and have little appreciation of a missle and a wink thrown in my direction.
WHAT??? When did you also become an Iraq war veteran??
SO, Kansas — IF you have never met anybody on the blog, then STOP POSTING THNGS AS IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW PEOPLE!!! GOT IT??? And that means all of your crap about what I do for a living… and all of your other trash….
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 03:36 PM
Temper Temper…
WHAT??? When did you also become an Iraq war veteran??
Posted by: J R | September 30, 2007 at 07:52 PM
Always have been, the first Gulf War and the times there after.
Kansas,I believe it’s called being realistic, not having a lack of principal. When you look at a situation and say “hmm, this isn’w working, HOW can we fix it”.
Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:29 PM
So you are saying General Petraeus lied to Congress when he told them the surge was working.
Should the Congress be seeking for his courts martial and removal from Iraq immediately?
Or is there most likely some empty rhetoric going on here?
Which do you think it is?
Was Petraeus lying? Why hasn’t anything been done to remove him then?
Tell me?
That is very true. I read a year or so ago the the insurgents were adapting faster than we were. I have read articles by terrorist experts that we can not win using our military. When I we going to adapt?
Posted by: kscitydude | September 30, 2007 at 06:18 PM
I’m sure the terrorists are overjoyed with all their cheerleaders in the U.S. Perhaps a pen pal relationship may start?
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 06:22 PM
And the Libs read Terroist web sites. Big Brother is watching, I hope.
We are not adapting to win, they are.
Posted by: kscitydude | September 30, 2007 at 07:09 PM
Libs must hope for defeat in Iraq. It’s the only chance they have to win the election in 2008.
Since when is it illegal or “giving aid and comfort to the enmey” to read a website.
Talk about wingnutia paranoia!
“kansas”?
seek professional help. You are batshit, multi personalied certifiable nuts.
Aaah, whenever someone disagrees with out tactics in Iraq, label them a terrorist coddler or a traitor.
Didn’t that go out of vogue in 2003?
Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:20 PM
Disagree with them, that’s one thing. Routinely review the terrorist web sites, hope for US Defeat, and take the side of the terrorists, that’s treason.
Hey Tara,
The Aznar memo is only a very small piece of the puzzle. People look at facts and ignore the ones that don’t fit their world view.
I would submit to you that the Anzar memo adds little to the big picture and that what it does add can either vindicate or convict depending on your political bent.
http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/09/bush_aznar_memo.php
Hank
PS I’ve read “the damn thing”.
So, what followed by the Liberalcrats? You know the usual, the mistaken identity of a terrorist. How terrorists are so much smarter than the U.S. military can adapt.
Instead of acknowledging the news of success in Iraq, they tear it down, milk it for subtle and subversive political agenda and infer the U.S. military is incompetent.
If that’s what you call discussion , then so be it.
I call it lack of principle.
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 07:26 PM
Kansas hit the bullseye! Jr & Co will now claim they kicked your a**.
Hi Tara!
Now do you see why there’s very little reasonable discussion anymore?
How can we even HOPE to have a reasonable discussion when you’ve got a psych ward escapee using multi nics and even taking on other personalities to atta boy his own posts?
I wonder how we can work on hearts and minds without empowering the enemy.
Posted by: Tara | September 30, 2007 at 07:26 PM
Anyone watch the Ken Burns series The War, about WWII?
Outstanding.
Don’t see a lot about how the US was winning the hearts and minds of the Japanese, Italians, and Germans.
Now do you see why there’s very little reasonable discussion anymore?
Posted by: XXX | September 30, 2007 at 08:14 PM
Because the Libs back down wimpering with their “press releases” and “polls” and instead of argue their points of principle they come back with “walk on by” or ad hominem.
It’s an established pattern here on the blog by the Libs and can be proven easily. Just examine any day and you will find it the same.
How can we even HOPE to have a reasonable discussion when you’ve got a psych ward escapee using multi nics and even taking on other personalities to atta boy his own posts?
Posted by: J R | September 30, 2007 at 08:17 PM
J R just verified my point at 8:18 post.
Kansas,Here I am breaking my usual procedure, I would like to send you information that I think you would be interested in that pertains to your participation on this blog. I also have a question related to the foregoing. Indicate if you are interested or not. I have a “throw-away” email address for this purpose; you can easily get one, too.
P.S. I am offering this alternative as a way of saving you public humiliation. Your blogging content here may suggest that you are not that concerned about such, though.
Well, since nobody else who is liberal here will say it, I WILL… Our military is a bunch of incompetent boobs… We cant stop assasinations, we cant stop IED’s, we cant control Baghdad… We cant even control Al Maliki, who walks around hand in hand with Ahbendoinmajob… We have a bunch of incompetent boobs calling the shots in the White House, and especially since Rove is gone….
And all that gets out of this friggin Blog, is a bunch of darned sock puppets on parade… And the conservatives wonder why they have no credibility left????
Good Lord, help us!!
And since when is it so damned GAY to have an old friend visit when he is in town… REMEMBER all you idiots with your heads up your butts… I HAVE A WIFE HERE TOO!!! STUPID SOCK PUPPETS!!
If I were you Kansas, I would take Steven Davis up on that offer… or you are going to be humiliated beyond belief — and not by ME either!!
How can we even HOPE to have a reasonable discussion when you’ve got a psych ward escapee using multi nics and even taking on other personalities to atta boy his own posts?
Posted by: J R | September 30, 2007 at 08:17 PM
What the Libs read as Trolls are posters like me, who use the Libs own words against them. The Lib response: It must be a troll.
(Sorry Kansas, you are just a casualty of war, getting in the crossfire of the Lib confusion. I know you can take it though. I hope you enjoy it some too.)
When if the Libs would simply rebut the rebuttal to their own stupid words (which they can’t) then the discussion would progress along the lines of the topic at hand.
Instead, it becomes a defend the Lib position by labeling a poster a Troll – when the poster uses the Libs own words against them!
When the Libs learn Rocket Science (debate 101) then discussion might occur.
I doubt it.
How is it treason , rove?
Seriously JM Kansas. I am saying this with every bit of human compassion. I really think you need help. I know whereof I speak here. We had a couple of posters similar to you before. One was a self admitted “very troubled young man” I don’t know what became of him. The other was a very angry and bitter woman. It was my misfortune to be the one to find out why she was the way she was. In the process, I shattered her. I’ve always felt bad about that. She did write to me later that she was going to seek some help. I hope you will not take this wtong. I just really think you need help that is not available here.
And since when is it so damned GAY to have an old friend visit when he is in town… REMEMBER all you idiots with your heads up your butts… I HAVE A WIFE HERE TOO!!! STUPID SOCK PUPPETS!!
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 08:23 PM
Sounds sortof paranoid and gay to me.
Rove SHOVE IT Go spend time with your family and friends, if you have any!!! I will post what I like… If Kansas cant take it, then he can stop dishing it out… him and his whole closet full of sock puppets!!
Elton, Troll, whoever you are… YOU are a piece of CRAP!!! If you werent, what friends visit at my home would be totally irrelevant to you and anybody else on this Blog!!
You know, come to think of it, maybe the entire Blog needs a lawsuit filed against it, for allowing this stalking and attempted defamation of character!!
But alas, such lawsuits cost lots of $$$$ which none of us here would have…
Rove IS Kansas Chas.
He isn’t even trying to vary his posting style to cover his tracks. Note the short cut n pastes followed by his remark. “Kansas” is responsible for every con post the last several minutes except MAYBE for Hank. Or he may be playing him too.
“Because the Libs back down wimpering with their “press releases” and “polls” and instead of argue their points of principle they come back with “walk on by” or ad hominem.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 30, 2007 at 08:18 PM
Gee Kansas… you still haven’t found those Congressional Record and Justice Department links to support the (false) levee claim you made FOUR months ago???
Did you find those “bottomland hardwood forests”, and black bears in the Industrial Canal section of New Orleans???
You know, come to think of it, maybe the entire Blog needs a lawsuit filed against it, for allowing this stalking and attempted defamation of character!!
But alas, such lawsuits cost lots of $$$$ which none of us here would have…
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 08:35 PM
Stalking? By posting your own words to clarify the argument against you?
I think not.
You afraid of your own words Chas?
And Libs can’t afford lawyers? Oh, we need HillaryCare! to cover attorney fees now too!
Closing the pod bay doors now.
Stop with the multi nics JM. I mean it.
Ya know? I’m gonna say something nice about you. When you first came here you used to post the little cartoons. They weren’t very funny. But it made you sorta unique.
Now you are just a unique idiot.
Stop with the multi mics. Now.
Ok
I tried to be nice.
You’re gonna go JM. Tomaorrow I am starting a petition to the editors to find your IP and get you banned.
Sure Steven Davis,
Send it to GPartical@yahoo.com
I’ll wait.
You’re gonna go JM. Tomaorrow I am starting a petition to the editors to find your IP and get you banned.
Posted by: J R | September 30, 2007 at 08:43 PM
Ahhhh J R.
Someone who doesn’t agree with your ideology, so you gonna get rid of them.
That’s so Liberal of you.
So much for freedom of speech!
It doesn’t exist in Liberal Land!
Think like us or get destroyed!
(puts on old Soviet Union National Anthem)
JR, go cry to your Mommy.
Hopefully you’ve resolved the bulldog problem now, and your Mommy can help you.
What a wimp you are JR!
With such a following and reputation too! You’ve resorted to calling for Mommy in your first week back!
WIMP!
(waits for the day for J R to eat crow and not liking it.)
Keep it up JM. Put all the evidence up there. Use MORE nics.
The troll is going off the deep end tonight isn’t he?
All you do Kansas(and all the other fake trolls) is post what people say to/about you, and make rude, disgusting comments…
I think maybe JR has the right idea this time… I might join him in the complaint… I used to like this place, where there was some modicum of discussion…
I dont much enjoy this garbage that passes for a Blog at this point in time!!
Why are you so bitter JM?
Am I remembering right? Didn’t you say once your wife ditched you and took your kid? Quit taking it out on everyone else. Pick a nic and stay there. Your opinion isn’t right because you put it under multiple identies.
You know J R, you are going to be very embarrassed when you find out I only post under this typepad account.
Of course, I won’t even get a hint of an apology from any of you because it’s not in the Liberal code to do it with any sincerity.
So go ahead BOY, make my day and embarrass yourself.
Keep putting it up there JM. Get it all out. Invent lives and careers for all your nics.
JR he could use Kansas on a type-key or type-pad, and use who knows how many other computers, to post on the blog with any old name he wants… Cause there is no required sign in, and nothing required but a name, and an email address… that’s all… and i am not even sure about a name… since once in a while, the poster “blank” shows up…
JR, he is always telling people he has never been married, and has no kids… So, maybe you are thinking of another poster…??? Just a thought… I have seen Kansas deny having a wife and children numerous times… of course, since he knows nobody on the Blog, nor has he met any, who knows what is true, or false, or imaginary??? Who knows?? Maybe he isnt even a veteran for all we know!!
Now Chas, didn’t you know there are medications to prevent delusions?
Perhaps Steven Davis could direct you in that direction. He appears to be a Mental Health professional of some sorts.
Hi Tara!
You see what happens when serious discussion is attempted.
Fun huh!
His original nic is JM Chas.
He had a meltdown of epic proportions back in Feb. He’s been 3 dozen different people since.
Ahh yes…. JM Jimmy, I think… and last name starts with an M… and I do believe I could post that, but I wont do it
Must be a long document! No email from Steven Davis yet!
Shoot, JR, he’s 3 dozen people nearly every day/night LOL
It’s M as in Manson, Chas.
Just call me Charlie, we can be friends.
Or, maybe a phony email address too who knows??? And no, I dont want it posted again… I have no need to use it… ever…
I made it up special for Steven Davis.
I have NYMS. I’ll let you non technical people look up what that means. :)
I have plenty of friends Jimmy boy… dont need you…
NYMS — New York Mets Syndrome…
The disease that believes that the ‘69 Mets are all going to come walking thru a cornfield, and win the world series… Yes, I have heard of that… most interesting ailment… usually found in baseball fans from Queens, NYC…
By the way, I’m saving this thread and URLs and will be forwarding it to Phillip Brownlee and the publisher on how the Liberals on this blog are trying to out some one on an anonymous blog.
I’m very sure they will not be pleased and very concerned about law suits.
And are you going to include all of the accusations you have made about my vocation??? And all the attempts you have made to insinuate that I am Gay??? And all the times you called people “hitlerite but buddies” ??
I dont think you want to let the publishers know about all of those posts that YOU have made, now would you???
I dont care one lick about Outing you Kansas… I want you to either shape up, or get off the Blog… its that simple…
MANY people are very tired of all your crap… and all the blasted sock puppets!!
Are you that bad off??? really???
Still no email from Steven Davis.
(drums fingers)
Now Chas, When J R started this last night, I requested that we just have discussion.
Did J R agree? No
What J R wants to do is cause mayhem on a Public blog for some unknown reason.
As soon as I start discussing with Tara, guess what happens?
The Liberal “hit” team comes out with derogatory remarks and that’s that.
Check out that large piece of lumber in your eye Chase, before you make accusations. There are hundreds of your posts where you accuse, deride, curse at, belittle, accuse and etc.
Nothing squeaky clean about you Chas at all. So, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
There you go with your stupid threats again… See, the beauty of this is, you have no idea who any of my contacts are in this town… much as you would like to know… you wont… Let’s just say, there are some who have clout, and some who dont…
I do… nuff said… I wont say that again… ever….
Oh, and, BTW, URL’s are totally meaningless on here… in case you didnt already know that…
URLs are useless? :)
Right click on the date at the end of each post Chas.
I can record each one of those for future use in one click of a button. :)
you have no idea who any of my contacts are in this town.Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 09:16 PMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-930.html#comment-84635258
Cool Chas,
I could care less who you know in Wichita or Sedgwick County.
My family has been in Kansas since the late 1850s before it was a State. I think there’s a few contacts there as well. :)
Well, Steven Davis hasn’t delivered.
So, time for a shower and a movie.
How much Repukes care about our troops:
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/188384.html
“Troops get boot, not care
The military has been discharging thousands of soldiers, labeling their mental health conditions “pre-existing” and disqualifying them from government treatment.”
But I guess as long as a Repuke has a magnet on his SUV everything is fine.
Could be Steven Davis tracked an IP address or something???
Just read the afternoon’s posts to see if there was anything of interest to me.
All I can say is tisk, tisk.
This blog has really degenerated into a waste of time.
Have a nice night roasting one another (mostly one).
Well, I think there are better things to do, than try to find any good discussions here…
Good Night; good luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive Got to be!!
Blessings all!!
Ben,
Indeed. Or a ‘W’ sticker on their SUV.
Wait, that reminds me of an old classic from our LAST imperialist war:
Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore© John Prine
While digesting Reader’s DigestIn the back of a dirty book store,A plastic flag, with gum on the back,Fell out on the floor.Well, I picked it up and I ran outsideSlapped it on my window shield,And if I could see old Betsy RossI’d tell her how good I feel.
Chorus:But your flag decal won’t get youInto Heaven any more.They’re already overcrowdedFrom your dirty little war.Now Jesus don’t like killin’No matter what the reason’s for,And your flag decal won’t get youInto Heaven any more.
Well, I went to the bank this morningAnd the cashier he said to me,”If you join the Christmas clubWe’ll give you ten of them flags for free.”Well, I didn’t mess around a bitI took him up on what he said.And I stuck them stickers all over my carAnd one on my wife’s forehead.
Repeat Chorus:
Well, I got my window shield so filledWith flags I couldn’t see.So, I ran the car upside a curbAnd right into a tree.By the time they got a doctor downI was already dead.And I’ll never understand why the manStanding in the Pearly Gates said…
“But your flag decal won’t get youInto Heaven any more.We’re already overcrowdedFrom your dirty little war.Now Jesus don’t like killin’No matter what the reason’s for,And your flag decal won’t get youInto Heaven any more.”
http://www.jpshrine.org/lyrics/songs/jpflagdecal.html
Some things never go out of fashion: cheap patriotism and the willingness to do wrong by those who are worse off for having served in the military.
We are not adapting to [win], they are.Posted by: kscitydude | September 30, 2007 at 07:09 PMLibs must hope for [defeat]in Iraq. It’s the only chance they have to win the election in 2008.Posted by: Rove | September 30, 2007 at 08:08 PM
I write “win” Rove comes back and says “Libs must hope for defeat.”
When did the spelling of win get change to d-e-f-e-a-t?
I have never heard one liberal say that they want us to be defeated in Iraq.
Who the hell are you guys listening to that tells you liberals want to loose in Iraq? It’s like we say white and some how your brain is hearing the word black.
They are all Limbaughtimized
Or else Savage-ly mentally hijacked..
I see Ben and acknowledge your comment.
However, I have a relative that’s been to Iraq on three tours. He came back with a concussion injury from an IED and is getting the help he needs.
Oh and his wife gave me a ribbon to put on my car which I freely and proudly put on there.
Service to this country this since the American Revolution as military members. Military Service members all without a break in any generation.
But you don’t care about such things, right Ben?
“……cheap patriotism and the willingness to do wrong by those who are worse off for having served in the military..”
I don’t think I know how or what you mean by that?
I retired from the AF after 20 years —- I am better for it,
The military has been discharging thousands of soldiers, labeling their mental health conditions “pre-existing” and disqualifying them from government treatment.”Posted by: Ben | September 30, 2007 at 09:31 PM
========================The only “pre-existing” conditions they were suffering from was the belief that their government would take care of them if they were hurt fighting for their country.
This is sad, very, very sad.
“Resale baby. It’s all about trade in value.”
It’s okay Chief, I probably won’t live long enough to sell it. heh
The military has been discharging thousands of soldiers, labeling their mental health conditions “pre-existing” and disqualifying them from government treatment.”Posted by: Ben | September 30, 2007 at 09:31 PM
Are these boot camp drops or are we talking seasoned soldiers? There is a difference.
I probably won’t live long enough to sell it. heh
Posted by: Kansas
Talk about a conversation stopper. But I always was the one to ask the inappropriate question:
Is it because you fear one of the liberals on this blog will hurt you?
So you believe that General Petraeus is a liar and the surge is not working? Posted by Kansas
I don’t think he lied, but I see some difference in the reports that came out before he testified before Congress.
I do know that the part of the surge that pertained to the Iraqi government failed.
Is the reasoning at the Pentagon, that if they were crazy enough to sign on for bush’s war, they couldn’t have been well before going to Iraq?I guess for a repub. they are just damaged goods, which need to be disposed of in the Capitalistic fashion of the least cost.Support the troops, buy a yellow magnet ribbon.
Support the troops, buy a yellow magnet ribbon.
But I’m telling you man, be careful before you stick it on your car. Check it out – it’s been documented since the 911 beginning of these magnets.
Want to paint your whole car?
Support the troops, buy a yellow magnet ribbon.=======================Better yet, send them a care package.
http://anysoldier.com/
God Bless President Bush:
President Signs bill to make college more affordablePresident Bush has signed the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, which will increase funding for Federal Pell Grants by more than $11 billion. The Pell Grant program helps ensure low-income students have access to higher education by providing need-based grants to help students meet education costs. The bill the President signedwill expand this program by increasing funding for Pell Grants by$11.4 billion over the next five years and allowing the maximum Pell award to increase from $4,310 in 2007 to $5,400 by 2012. The legislation also helps ease the burden on our men and women in uniform who have taken out loans for a higher education. Those on active duty military will now have new flexibility to defer payments on their loans, and service members who are leaving to return to civilian life will be able to defer their loan payments for over one year after they return home.Pell Grants helping expand access To higher education. According to one study, 80% of the fastest-growing jobs in America require some sort of education after high school. To seize the opportunities of this new era, more American citizens need skills they can only get through a post-secondary education. One of the best ways to expand access to higher education is to increase financial assistance for low-income students through the Pell Grants, which are the most effective way to target Federal aid to those who need it most.
Hey Kansas!
Did you get your personal email yet? You gonnna post it fer all to see?
No Chief, no fear, just not in very good shape. Lot of medical problems. :)
I seem to remember seeing your posts a couple of months ago about being gone for some medical reasons (the libs made fun of you as usual).
This may come across as corny. But when white man come to my village, long before we had casino wampum, one of your traveling missionaries traded us their King James for some fake Indian scalps.
In it I read a passage which truly applies to anyone who believes:
“Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health”. 3.John 2
Of course, my ancestors only read it because the books thin indian paper was much smoother than corn husks. In olden times they did not have charmin to squeeze. So, while squatting they looked at the pictures of long hair hippie and read the words on next available page. I do not think they had red letter edition in those days, but these words are by Paul, not the long hair in the photo’s.
I wish to share them with you, even as your soul prospers.
Sorry Chief, but I do believe those words are from St. John. You might want to check that reference.
And, why would you steal the name of the Great Blackhawk of the Illinois People? You speak with forked tongue, I believe.
Kansas,Sorry, I was watching a football game (you know, one of those things normal people do). Have sent you the email you were wanting.
Wow Steven Davis,
There was nothing in the email but accusation and it was all from today.
Shrugs.
Please, J R,
Don’t bother. It is not worth the time or effort.
The only person that will be humiliated will be you, J R.
So pathetic…
“Wow Steven Davis,
“There was nothing in the email but accusation and it was all from today.”
“Shrugs.”
Ohh… sounds like the sissy (I was thinking a different word) way out to me, would you like for me to post more to all here?
Shrugs…
Since we all know that Kansas, Kahn, etc. is a liar the following is what I sent to him:
“Sorry I did not conform to your time table, Mr. Kansas. I have info that the people at the Wichita Eagle have tried to ban you, but you have found ways around their meager countermeasure efforts. They did not ask you to be a ‘good boy’ and continue posting as you have claimed. Would you like to see this proof? And if Phillip Brownlee were to ask you to not post anymore, would you do that? Thank you.” Steven Davis
You must think I’m stupid Steven Davis.
You wanted me to email you back, so you could try and figure out who I was.
It wouldn’t work as I previously mentioned. It’s a fake email with a fake name and an IP address that is not mine.
As you requested…temporary
If you want to waste your time go ahead, just don’t waste mine.
Just don’t post any names on the blogs as you will for sure get in trouble. I don’t want some poor sap to get his name besmirched by a bunch of wannabe blog vigilantes.
With that, I’m heading to slumber.
So Bush increased Pell Grants? Doesn’t this put them back where they were before he decreased them a year or so ago?
Since when is progress moving backward?
Why bother with a thumbs up or down for “Kansas”? He’s irrelevant.
Libs think a Blog makes something of them.
It’s a blog, it’s electronic bits and pieces.
There is no reputation here to be built or broken.
No one outside of the blog could care less who is who and what they do.
If you haven’t figured it out, we are a tool of the Wichita Eagle Editors. They look at what we write and what they write and try to get a feel for what kind of attitude and reaction is going on.
So try not and get a swollen head about your importance on a blog. The Wichita Eagle could care less, you are just another pencil on the desk.
And so the plot thickens on the WE Blog. Tune in tomorrow for another chapter in the continuing story of “As the Blog Spins”
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070930/hollywood_s_greening.html?.v=3
Hollywood Sending Mixed Climate MessagesSunday September 30, 2:24 pm ET
By Gary Gentile, AP Business Writer
Hollywood Sends Mixed Messages on Global Warming With Hybrid Cars but Energy-Guzzling Sets
LOS ANGELES (AP) — From “green carpets” at awards shows to organic fruit served to actors on sets, Hollywood is going all out to promote itself as being environmentally hip. But is it all just show?No amount of public service announcements or celebrities driving hybrid cars can mask the fact that movie and TV production is a gritty industrial operation, consuming enormous amounts of power to feed bright lights, run sophisticated cameras, and feed a cast of thousands.
Studios’ back lots host cavernous soundstages that must be air-conditioned to counter the heat produced by decades-old lighting technology. Huge manufacturing facilities consume wood, steel, paint and plastic to build sets that are often torn down and tossed out after filming ends.
The energy guzzling continues on the exhibition side, too, with multiplexes drawing millions of kilowatts to power old-school popcorn makers and clunky film projectors that cash-strapped theater owners are reluctant to replace.
A two-year study released last year by the University of California at Los Angeles concluded that special effects explosions, idling vehicles and diesel generators make the entertainment industry a major Southern California polluter, second only to the oil industry.
Still, financial and public pressures have resulted in many studios expanding their environmental efforts, doing everything from using a biodiesel fuel mixture to run the generators on the set of the Fox show “24″ to converting Warner Bros.’ enormous set-building facility to solar energy.
“Public consciousness on this issue has changed dramatically,” said Kyle Tanger, a principal at Clear Carbon Consulting. “The talent themselves are requesting it from some of the studios. And a lot of these things make economic sense.”
Economic benefit can come to studios directly, by switching to more efficient lighting or cooling systems or driving hybrid cars on location, which can save gas. Other projects, such as installing solar power, can take decades to pay off.
But there are other benefits that are harder to quantify. Besides the public relations angle, many performers and other employees want to work with eco-friendly companies, so it also helps in recruiting and retaining employees, Tanger said.
Form and function merged at this year’s Primetime Emmy Awards show.
To symbolize its commitment to energy conservation, Fox had wanted to replace the traditional red carpet with a green one.
The tradition-bound Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, which gives the awards, politely said “no.”
But the carpet that ended up cushioning the heels of such stars as Sally Field and America Ferrera was made from recycled plastic bottles and later cut into pieces and donated to several local schools.
“No doubt some efforts have been window dressing. But I actually think Hollywood is doing far more than people are giving it credit for,” said Terry Tamminen, who served as an adviser to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger before starting his own environmental consulting company.
One convenient yet controversial method is the purchase of carbon credits by studios and producers to offset the greenhouse gases from their production activity. The credits attempt to counter such pollution by investing in environmentally friendly projects such as planting trees or funding wind power.
Studios and a growing number of other industries calculate their emissions, then write a check to one of several brokers who funnel the money to projects around the world. The goal is to become carbon neutral by funding activities that reduce an equal amount of emissions.
The 2004 Fox film “The Day After Tomorrow” and last year’s Al Gore documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” offset all or some of their pollution. This year’s “Evan Almighty,” from Universal, donated money to the Conservation Fund to plant 2,000 trees, enough to “zero out” the greenhouse gases produced.
But the practice has come under fire by some who say it is an easy way to avoid the hard work of directly reducing pollution. Others question whether carbon credit payments are actually going to projects that make that much of a difference.
“If you’re going to drive around in a big ol’ Hummer and then buy carbon offsets to mitigate that, that’s like getting drunk on the weekends and throwing some money through the window of an AA meeting and thinking you’re doing something,” said Ed Begley Jr., who was a poster child for energy conservation long before Al Gore made it trendy.
The Federal Trade Commission, meanwhile, has begun examining claims made by the nascent multimillion-dollar carbon credit industry.
Warner Bros., which bought carbon credits for the 2005 film “Syriana,” has also become more aggressive at reducing emissions during all phases of production.
In addition to solar-powered set-building, the studio is recycling sets, using recycled plastic lumber in the construction of some buildings, and printing double-sided scripts where feasible.
Pieces built for the 2001 film “Ocean’s 11″ now sit in the Santa Monica offices of the National Resources Defense Council. Sets from this year’s sequel “Ocean’s 13″ were donated to decorate the halls of local community colleges.
“You have to start by measuring your own footprint, then reducing it, whether through using alternative fuels, reducing electrical loads or combining trips,” said Shelley Billick, vice president of environmental initiatives at Warner Bros. Entertainment. “It’s too easy to write a check, pay thousands of dollars and say, ‘I’m climate neutral.’”
Last year, Fox parent News Corp. set a goal of being carbon neutral by 2010.
To further that goal, Fox Broadcasting chose its popular “24″ series as a case study and to serve as a model for other television productions.
Diesel generators that power the show’s lighting were switched to a mixture that uses 5 percent biodiesel fuel. That percentage will be increased in coming years. The show also has secured energy from solar and wind generation from a local utility for its soundstages.
But News Corp. has a more ambitious goal than simply reducing its own carbon emissions.
“We knew from the beginning that if our goal is to make as many carbon reductions in the world as possible, probably the best way we can do that is through our audiences,” said Rachel Webber, director of energy initiatives for News Corp.
The company concluded that worldwide, it produced the equivalent of 641,150 tons of carbon dioxide. But a rough estimate revealed that the people who read its newspapers, watch its TV shows and browse its Web sites use about 7 billion tons.
“That’s the greatest potential to reduce carbon, but we have to get our own house in order first,” Webber said.
To reach the wider audience, Webber and a climate expert from Harvard University met with show writers and executive producers earlier this year to brainstorm on ways to integrate environmental messages into show plots.
But Webber said Fox is not forcing “tacked on” messages into its shows, but rather offering resources should writers choose to address the issue.
“We can’t use this in a way that doesn’t fit into the show,” Webber said. “It can’t be Jack Bauer driving in a car he otherwise wouldn’t drive in.”
Ultimately, any steps Hollywood takes, big or small, to reduce emissions are positive, Begley said. “There are different shades of green.”
Sounds like Mr. Kansas has something, or things, to hide, or he wouldnt be so paranoid of Steven Davis’s letter. The letter looks fairly straight forward, and to the point.
Appears to be written in a totally candid manner.
I dont care one lick about Outing you Kansas… I want you to either shape up, or get off the Blog… its that simple…
MANY people are very tired of all your crap… and all the blasted sock puppets!!
Are you that bad off??? really???
Posted by: Chas. | September 30, 2007 at 09:10 PM
Notice to all who disagree with Chas:
Get off of Chas’ blog now! Or else!
(He has lotsa important friends around town you know!)
God bless and good nite to all!
BTW, way to go Kansas!
You were almost surrounded for a time there.
Where were you when Custer needed you?
I’m not sure if this is when Kansas got back on after being banned, or his usual lies.
“I suppose whoever complained about me and asked for me to be blocked was successful for a little while. ;) ”
Posted by: Republikansan | July 17, 2007 at 03:25 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-717.html#comment-76187738
Plus some rants, etc.
Do a “find” on the word “banned” down thru the thread, for more.
“Just don’t post any names on the blogs as you will for sure get in trouble. I don’t want some poor sap to get his name besmirched by a bunch of wannabe blog vigilantes.”
You posted enough of my name to be identifiable earlier this year — burn baby burn ….
Like usual Kansas, Kahn, etc., etc. puts on his victim suit. I was trying to get his identity — I could not give a sh*t less about who this loser is. I do have evidence he is not wanted here and what really happened with his “temporary” ban. Of course, I don’t expect him to own up to the truth. That would be completely out of character for this troll.
And the attacks on Kansas continue.
These are supposedly adult posters?
I have never heard such a bunch of whiners. Crybabies, and unfortunately liberal democrats. Is this the best you have?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
The editors must think they are dealing with small children.
Crybabies.
From the Bush thread: If you want to find my posts, just look for the typepad entry “Kansas.” I’m the only one on the blog that uses that nic and i don’t post under any other nic. I have reformed, I’ve stuck to that nic and will continue to do so.
So, how about giving it a rest and just discuss the issues?
Posted by: Kansas | October 01, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Hey, wait a minute.
Kansas said that he NEVER posted over any other nics.
How can he “reform” unless he did what he said he never did?
Admit what nics you’ve been posting over, Kansas, if you expect to be believed . . . this time.
Kansas writes, “It’s a blog, it’s electronic bits and pieces.
“There is no reputation here to be built or broken.”
*****
Using that logic, contracts mean nothing because it’s just ink scratches on paper.
Telephone conversations are meaningless because they’re just electronic impulses sent over wires.
Kansas is trying to justify his need for disruption and attention.
And btw, answer the question above.