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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20047.html
Blackwater guards killed 16 as U.S. touted progress
By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007
BAGHDAD — On Sept. 9, the day before Army Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. military commander in Iraq, and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker told Congress that things were getting better, Batoul Mohammed Ali Hussein came to Baghdad for the day.
A clerk in the Iraqi customs office in Diyala province, she was in the capital to drop off and pick up paperwork at the central office near busy al Khilani Square, not far from the fortified Green Zone, where top U.S. and Iraqi officials live and work. U.S. officials often pass through the square in heavily guarded convoys on their way to other parts of Baghdad.
As Hussein walked out of the customs building, an embassy convoy of sport-utility vehicles drove through the intersection. Blackwater security guards, charged with protecting the diplomats, yelled at construction workers at an unfinished building to move back. Instead, the workers threw rocks. The guards, witnesses said, responded with gunfire, spraying the intersection with bullets.
Hussein, who was on the opposite side of the street from the construction site, fell to the ground, shot in the leg. As she struggled to her feet and took a step, eyewitnesses said, a Blackwater security guard trained his weapon on her and shot her multiple times. She died on the spot, and the customs documents she’d held in her arms fluttered down the street.
Before the shooting stopped, four other people were killed in what would be the beginning of eight days of violence that Iraqi officials say bolster their argument that Blackwater should be banned from working in Iraq.
During the ensuing week, as Crocker and Petraeus told Congress that the surge of more U.S. troops to Iraq was beginning to work and President Bush gave a televised address in which he said “ordinary life was beginning to return” to Baghdad, Blackwater security guards shot at least 43 people on crowded Baghdad streets. At least 16 of those people died.
The Eagle is owned by McClatsky, but strangely a lot of these stories critical of the war never seem to appear in our paper.
Must be that “liberal media.”
http://www.dailyhowler.com/
Special report: Russert happens!
PART 1—WELCH’S BEST PURCHASE: We lost a bet on Tim Russert last night. We predicted that Russert would, at last, conduct a debate without inserting his standard bull-roar about the perils of Social Security. In part, we thought this would happen because of the death of Bush’s privatization plans. And in part, we thought this would happen because of the way Alan Greenspan broke Tim’s heart on Sunday’s Meet the Press:
RUSSERT (9/23/07): Do you believe either political party has stepped up to the crisis we face with Social Security and Medicare in the coming years?
GREENSPAN: I do not.
RUSSERT: How big a crisis will that be?
GREENSPAN: Social Security is not a big crisis. We are approximately 2 percent points of payroll short over the very long run. It’s a significant closing of the gap, but it’s doable, and doable in any number of ways…
Owwwwwww! “Social Security is not a big crisis,” Greenspan told Jack Welch’s best boy. But nothing stops Jack Welch’s best boy from pushing his views about this vast crisis.
Russert really got this analysts’ goat when he did the thing he was purchased to do—-when he went after fake/phony Candidate Edwards for (good God!) those over-priced haircuts! Let’s face it—you’re watching pro wrestling, not political journalism, when a store-bought multimillionaire plays it as stupid as this:
RUSSERT (9/26/07): Senator Edwards, you mentioned candor with the candidate—president with the American people. Your campaign has hit some obstacles with revelations about $400 haircuts, $500,000 for working for a hedge fund, $800,000 from Rupert Murdoch.
Do you wish you hadn’t taken money in all those cases or hadn’t made that kind of expenditure for a haircut?
Store-boughts like Russert just won’t stop fainting at the thought of Edwards’ vile haircuts. Once again, thanks to Welch’s Best Boy, all Americans could say it with pride: As a nation, we were all with Stupid at this point in last night’s contest.
Russert, of course, is a multimillionaire. Watching him poke at the price of those haircuts is a study in journalistic pro wrestling. Could be possibly offer such bilge in good faith? We don’t know, but just for a moment, let’s remember who Tim Russert is, and how Tim Russert got here:
In 1981, Jack Welch, a conservative Republican, became CEO of General Electric. Five years later, GE purchased NBC. To all appearances, Welch began assembling a news division made in his own wondrous image.
In Russert’s self-glorying book, Big Russ & Me, he describes the way Welch lured him to NBC, then smoothed his rapid rise up the ladder. During this same period, Welch began paying millions to other East Coast Irish-Catholic “Reagan Democrat” hires, including Chris Matthews and Brian Williams. The trio proceeded to kick the sh*t out of Bill Clinton all through the mid- to late 90s. And then, in 1999 and 2000, this trio of store-boughts went after Gore in a truly disgraceful manner.
No! If their IQs are even in double digits, they did not do this work in good faith.
It was interesting to see Clinton and Obama not commit to ending the war before 2013. You should be so proud of your candidates CAP!
Heh,heh,heh,heh,heh
The only reason they won’t commit to having all troops out of Iraq by 2013 is because they don’t know what kind of new chaos and disaster might be created by Bush/Cheney in the next 15 months, and dumped into the laps of the new president. It would be irresponsible to make promises in a vacuum right now.
Did everyone notice that expanded SCHIP funding passed the Senate with 67 notes yesterday, and that Sen. Roberts voted for the funding, but that AWOL Brownback didn’t vote at all? Can a Senator be recalled? Do we want this guy representing us for two more years after his windmill-jousting is finished?
Poster Kansas got handed his head last night by Cosmos on the Open thread. Go check it out.
Okay cosmos, since you continue to call me a liar, we’re done forever.
You can post all you want and will get ignored.
Keep it up and I will report you for harassment though.
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Cosmos made Kansas squeal like a little girl.
Hey Kansas, you forgot your trademark emoticon. Let me help you out.
:)
Watch it, people, hall monitor whatever will report any and all written forms of harassment. I presume these reports will go to, shoot, I don’t know, uhh, phred phelps maybe? . . . or ann coulter . . . wait, I know . . . O, heck, never mind. I forgot; nobody cares.
What is happening in Iraq is nothing compared to what is coming to America.
Black Racism
Rampant In AmericaBy John Perazzo(Excerpted)9-27-7
Nor did they seem at all cognizant of the fact that there are mountains of evidence which entirely contradict their contention that black youngsters routinely get a raw deal from the juvenile justice system. To cite just one example: A mere five weeks before the Jena incident, a gang of perhaps 30 black teenagers brutally assaulted three white women — 21-year-old Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith, and 19-year-old Loren Hyman — in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, California. Hyman suffered 13 facial fractures that required extensive facial reconstruction surgery. Schneider suffered a concussion after one of the attackers yelled a racial slur at her, smashed a skateboard against her head, and continued beating her after she was already unconscious. In February 2007 the four main perpetrators, all of whom were aged 16 to 17 at the time of the attack, were each sentenced to serve a mere 60 days of house arrest — which they were permitted to break in order to attend school and church — and 250 hours of community service. The judge also ordered the lead attacker to attend an eight-week racial tolerance program at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Not much of a penalty for crimes that could easily have resulted in a death or two. And of course the ACLU, NAACP, Sharpton, and Jackson were nowhere to be seen or heard….http://www.rense.com/general78/blakcr.htm
All I know is my favored nickname Hoof Hearted is rejected by the fascist Eagle editors in newstory comments.
I’m not sure what to think of our top three candidates supporting the continued war in Iraq. I thought just months ago they were voting to pull our troop out by this fall. How can they be so wishy-washy?
And now I fear, another generation of Americans will have to serve in that God-forsaken place.
How can they so flippantly change their minds? Lives are at stake here. We want to crucify Bushy for over zealous conduct in pushing the war. Now I am seeing the same thing from the party of peace.
“It took some courage for Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to come out firmly against a proposal to expand a coal-fired power plant in western Kansas.
But in riding the fence for months on the issue and waiting until what may be the 11th hour before weighing in, Sebelius didn’t do herself any favors in terms of perceptions of her decisiveness and leadership ability.– Topeka Capital-Journal”
Exactly right.
That’s why out here we call her governor “leadership”. Funny, Topeka is just now realizing this?
“GREENSPAN: Social Security is not a big crisis.”
Who cares what he says? He is history, he has had his fame. Gee, everytime the old man farts, are you going to react?
Economic and accounting professionals have the figures. For a rich man like Greenspan, “one or two percentage points” is nothing. For the rest of us, it is going to mean higher taxes or less benefits. Unless you want to increase the national debt you whine about Bush screwing up.
“The only reason they won’t commit to having all troops out of Iraq by 2013 is because they don’t know what kind of new chaos and disaster might be created by Bush/Cheney in the next 15 months, and dumped into the laps of the new president.”
Good one kelly. Darth Cheney and the preznit are loose cannons and VERY dangerous. Hell, if they do as mccain suggests and bomb iran, all bets are off.
And Joe Scarborough, the darling of the wingnuts, says this morning stagflation is here, and getting worse, and could be even worse than in the Carter administration.
Heckofajob bushy!
I’m not sure what to think of our top three candidates supporting the continued war in Iraq. Posted by: Closet Lib
I’ll tell you what I think of it – they are all two-faced liars! And now I worry my grandchildren will be going to Iraq!
The only reason they won’t commit to having all troops out of Iraq by 2013 is because they don’t know what kind of new chaos and disaster might be created by Bush/Cheney”
Funny, just a few months ago they were CERTAIN we could pull out by this fall. In fact they VOTED to do so.
And the reason is suddenly important? I thought there was NO REASON to keep our boys in Iraq for Bushy’s war?
“For the rest of us, it is going to mean higher taxes”
What I heard was taxing ALL income at the same rate for social security. You wont pay more in taxes unless you make more than $97,000 a year under that plan, and there is no provision for lowering benefits in that plan.
Why shouldnt everyone pay the same tax on their income for social security? Why should income above $97,000 NOT be taxed for social security?
Trickle down? Hehehehehhe…
More welfare for the weathly?
Whatever happened to just a few weeks ago on this very blog:
“And it’s 1,2,3,4,what are we fighting for?Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn.My next stop………l.”
“Funny, just a few months ago they were CERTAIN we could pull out by this fall.”
Duh. If we pulled out by this fall, bushco wouldnt have caused anymore chaos. If we dont pull out before 2009, that leaves LOTS of time to create new horrors.
Remember, bush said this week he and his are setting up things so the next president HAS to stay in iraq.
He wouldnt want to face the Hague alone, now would he?
Why shouldnt everyone pay the same tax on their income for social security? Why should income above $97,000 NOT be taxed for social security?
That’s well and fine – as long as I receive MORE in benefits based upon my higher contributions. That’s the way it works now.
Duh. If we pulled out by this fall, bushco wouldnt have caused anymore chaos. If we dont pull out before 2009, that leaves LOTS of time to create new horrors.
That’s bullshit and you know it. It doesn’t make sense.
“I’m not sure what to think of our top three candidates supporting the continued war in Iraq.”
That is just a flat LIE! Big surprise here at liar central.
ALL of the top three said they wanted out of iraq as soon as possible. But they cant promise to be out by 2013 because the boy king might light up the whole world before he leaves.
Until the new administration takes over, they wont know WHAT kind or how BIG of a mess from bushco they will have to clean up.
Hell, it took georgie almost eight years to phuck things up this badly. You think ANYONE can fix it in five years?
Of course, it would help if the democrats in congress would quit peeing their pants everytime the repubs threaten a fillibuster…
They could actually start now if they too were not totally owned by the military industrial complex.
Duh “pat”.
If the troops were gone from iraq right now (this is fall ya know) then bush would not be creating MORE chaos in iraq.
The new administration would be dealing with a known quanity. The situation right now.
Give bushco another 18 months, and they could make things MUCH worse for the new administration. So how can they make promises when the boy king could make the situation WAY WORSE?
Like I said. Duh. There’s none so blind as those who will not see.
Ha, you clowns think that your vote really matters in this “two party” system? You all really think that there is lick’s worth of difference between the dummycrats and republicrooks? hehehehehehehehehehehe
WHOOO!!!!!!!!!
Republicans eating their own:
Who cares what he says? He is history, he has had his fame. Gee, everytime the old man farts, are you going to react? Posted by: Common Sense | September 28, 2007 at 08:11 AM
What will the far left do now that Hillbamwards say that they could not guarantee withdrawal from Iraq, even within the next presidential term (2013)?
Will they migrate to another candidate? Just wondering.
It’s been too long….
I see and have seen in passing many if the same enemies of my country and it’s future…
I see also many friends still keeping up the fight.
And I am not unaware that many of those friends did or wanted to do anything they could to get me back in the fight.
Well? Thanks to one of those very good friends?
I’m baaaaaaaaack!
To all my friends and readers, I’m sorry I’ve been away. It will take me some time to catch up.
But you’ve my word. I won’t let you down again.
We’ve got a country a future and maybe world to save.
“Chief Beasley Denson told Jackson County supervisors Thursday that Choctaws will give 4 percent of the gross gaming revenue from a proposed casino to local governments, the same amount commercial casinos pay.”
And the state wanted to give us a pittance in comparison. Guess they did not do their homework.
To all my friends and readers, I’m sorry I’ve been away. It will take me some time to catch up.
But you’ve my word. I won’t let you down again.
We’ve got a country a future and maybe world to save.
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 08:47 AM
Hey, boy, you might want to step back in off the ledge. Wow, talk about delusions of grandeur, yikes.
“We’ve got a country a future and maybe world to save”.
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Look, up in the sky… it’s a nerd, it’s a pain, no it’s stuper JR.
Just kidding JR, welcome back.
Jonas?
Don’t know who you are.
I was here when the lights went on.
Since Shrub keeps saying that things are better in Iraq who can honestly say what the situation will be in ‘09 when Hillary takes office. Hell, I don’t even know if I will be alive tomorrow.
Appears that XXX swallowed an extra does of bitter pills this morning.
cosmos didn’t win anything, this is an opinion blog not a race and there are no objective judges.
If you judge by name-calling, then yeah, cosmos won for calling me a liar several times a day for the past three months.
However, I don’t want to win with what conduct calls discussion conduct.
Personal update.
The Wichita city councils regs for pit bulls are entirely reasonable (micro chipped, only two, and fixed) In fact, they do not go far enough.
Two days ago, my mom was walking her dachsund. Her neighbor was along walking her bulldog. A pit bull, untehtered and in a front yard with a group of men, charged my mom and her friend. The pit grabbed my moms dog by the throat and shook it. It took 5 people beating and screaming at the pit before it would let go. Mom and her neighbor were both injured in the process.
Fortuately, mom’s little dog will be alright. The odds of her recovering the $500 in emergency vet bills is not so good though.
In addition to the city councils other rules, pit bull owners should be required to take out some sort of insurance should their time bomb of a dog go off.l
As it seems both parties want to perpetuate the war in Iraq it is time for the American People to come together in active protest against this war. We are not out to win the hearts and minds of the muslim world. We are not fighting under the domino theory.
Please encourage students from across the land to join theStudent Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and join forces with us against the inhumane war in Iraq.
“Hey, hey Hillary, how many kids have you killed today!”
I agree with you JR. I had a pit bull that put stitches in a child’s face. I fully believed that if you trained them correctly and they lived in a good home, that these kind of things would never happen. I was WRONG.
My vet worked with us tirelessly to make sure that dog had all it needed to succeed, and all that work ended with putting her to sleep anyway. I guess maybe this is a lesson that I needed to happen because I’d have been on the opposite side of the fence arguing against pit bull regulations.
Good advice Ella and good to meet you.
Here is another bit of advice.
A hidded provision of the “no child left behind” act allows military recruiters access to your kids records. Too? The JROTC is enrolling kids without noifying parents. Well, they did it with my
kid anyway. Be aware of this and other things going on in the schools.
In addition to the city councils other rules, pit bull owners should be required to take out some sort of insurance should their time bomb of a dog go off.l
Posted by: J R
Pit Bulls only cause 25% of the fatal dog bites from 1979-1998.There are other breeds you could just as easily brand “dangerous”.
By singling out the breed, you are doing nothing to prevent the other 75% of deaths due to dog bites.
Instead, the focus should be on the owner – who is responsible for the animal. Hold a human responsible for the conduct of their property.
In the 1960’s, the fear was of German Shepards. In the 1970’s it was the doberman. In the 1980’s it was the Rottweiler.
What breed is next?
http://enhs.umn.edu/6120/bites/dogbitefatal.html
When it just comes to dog bites, the most common dog which bites is not a pitt bull. It is the common mixed breed (any dog).
When it just comes to dog bites, the most common dog which bites is not a pitt bull. It is the common mixed breed (any dog).
Posted by: Big Dog | September 28, 2007 at 09:50 AM
You are correct, the mixed breeds are the most unstable and prone to violence, it’s a fact.
My rotty, Hermann, is a big baby who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
Yes well…
My shih tzu and shih tzu/lhasa mix are incapable of killing anyone.
Passing a breed specific law is only the first step. The most important step is enforcement.
How many people is the city going to hire to ENFORCE theLaw?
Imagine a police officer or animal control officer doing their normal jobs and now you want them to identify pitt bulls on the streets. Heck we cannot get them to enforce the laws we already have on the books.
Can you identify a Pitt Bull if you saw one?
I challenge any of you to get it correct the first time:
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html
I see Pitt Bulls are not even a breed. It is a term to describe three different breeds of dogs.
American Pit BullAmerican Stafford TerrierStafford Bull Terrier
Which one did they ban?
Well AN, that’s a good question.
I’d also like to know if the new law applies to “mixed” Pitt Bull dogs.
Maybe they plan to test each animal they suspect of being a Pitt. So first you have to send out animal control. Then do they have to observe “dangerous” behavior? Then they capture the dog. Then they transport it to the city pound (where taxpayers get to pay to maintain the animal). Then they can perform a DNA test to verify the breed.
Very expensive proposition. $100.0 per test kit.
http://www.doggiednaprint.com/Order.aspx
Now, when the DNA results come back, which dog is in violation?
Does it have to be 100% of whatever breed the city banned?What if it is only 80% whatever a “Pitt” is?
And we can’t get drunks off the streets.
Well..
The guy who had the dog that attacked my mom took his dog and ran.
He better HOPE it is animal oontrol that gets his dog. If I see it, I will blow its head off.
He better HOPE it is animal oontrol that gets his dog. If I see it, I will blow its head off.Posted by: J R
JR I can understand your concern and your have every right to be upset. But even if you know FOR SURE it truly was a Pit Bull, it is the dog owner who is responsible for the conduct.
Fear is overcome by knowledge. It is not the breed that needs to be banned. Please research this. If anything, it is a certain type of owner we need to worry about. Facts reveal ANY dog can be trained to hurt and cause injury.
Why shoot the dog?
Who is qualified to identify a dog as a “Pitt Bull”.
What many people don’t know is that a dog’s breed can never actually be proven, not even through DNA. Genetically speaking, a Chihuahua is a wolf is a Labrador is a “pit bull”. The determination of breed is somewhat subjective, especially when the dog’s parentage is unknown.
There have been dogs that looked exactly like a typical “pit bull” who we know have no “pit bull” in them, whatsoever. Crosses like Lab and Rhodesian Ridgeback or Chesapeake Bay Retriever and Boxer could throw puppies that look like “pit bulls”, for example.
I spoke with a member of the AKA, who is also a judge of big dog shows. She said even with all her experience – she has trouble identifying Pitt Bulls.
Why shoot the dog?
Posted by: Big Dog
Shooting the owner would probably get you less jail time and you could argue a mental illness defense. I am not advocating shooting the owner. Throw the owner in jail and make them do hard time, break big rocks into small rocks or chain gangs as they contemplate their stupid choices.
There are a few who are working to gentle this breed.
Good on them. This was successful with English bull dogs.
But it is only with greater regulation that the largely irresponsible owners of these animals can be weeded out.
“Hillary, Hillary, stop the IraqKiller-y!”
Hell no, we won’t go”, “Make love, not war”.
We need a NEW candidate for the democrat nomination. We need a candidate who will STOP THIS NONSENSE STOP THIS WAR!!!
How much campaign money did Hillary get from the defense industry?
Out in 2009 not maybe 2013
Throw the owner in jail and make them do hard time, break big rocks into small rocks or chain gangs as they contemplate their stupid choices.
Posted by: PETA rocks
As someone with experience “inside” the walls at Leavenworth (home of the US Disciplinary Barracks, State facility in Lansing, the private CCA federal inmates prison)
Inmates no longer make little rocks oun of big rocks. That is inhumane. In many facilities, they watch TV and play pool. In fact at the State – they watch CABLE TV courtesy of the Kansas taxpayers. Not so much at CCA (US Dept of Justice inmates).
But hard labor is a thing of the past. (sad face)
Hey J R,
Good to see you back. If you recall my throw-away address, send me an e-mail with your new address.
Hey J R,
Good to see you back. If you recall my throw-away address, send me an e-mail with your new address.
As someone with experience “inside” the walls at Leavenworth (home of the US Disciplinary Barracks, State facility in Lansing, the private CCA federal inmates prison)
Inmates no longer make little rocks oun of big rocks. That is inhumane. In many facilities, they watch TV and play pool. In fact at the State – they watch CABLE TV courtesy of the Kansas taxpayers. Not so much at CCA (US Dept of Justice inmates).
But hard labor is a thing of the past. (sad face)
Posted by: Correctional Specialist
I know they get all sorts of advantages and I do not see hard labor as inhumane. It is inhumane for them to enjoy such luxuries while their victims are dead, permanently injured or otherwise suffering. Maricopa County’s system works well. Our old justice system worked well. Our new system stinks. Many prisoners have a better life inside jail than outside. They may not be able to leave when they want to, but they face a similar inability in their own neighborhoods.
They need to pay for their crimes and spending 23 hours a day doing nothing or playing pool is not paying the debt.
My neighbor spends more time in jail than out. He said he gets three meals a day, gets plenty of privileges he would have to pay for on the outside and his wife gets a government check when he is not at home. Sounds like a screwed up system.
But it is only with greater regulation that the largely irresponsible owners of these animals can be weeded out.
Posted by: J R
I wish you luck on this. It is highly unlikely to happen. Do a web search on breed specific legislation. American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said that breed-specific legislation tends to be ineffective.
The AKA and most professional dog organizations are against breed specific regulation, for a wide variety of reasons, but a common thread is it does not work.
Ever watch the dog whisperer on TV? Awesome show and Cesar Millan is amazing with dogs. He is also against breed specific legislation.
Breed specific legislation is a knee-jerk reaction to an emotional citizen.
Good to see you Steven.
Hoo boy have I got lots to learn. No email yet. But soon.
From JR:
“To all my friends and readers, I’m sorry I’ve been away. It will take me some time to catch up.
But you’ve my word. I won’t let you down again.
We’ve got a country a future and maybe world to save.”
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I see the ego is still supersized. Gee . . . I don’t know HOW we functioned without you!
So now it’s “The Great JR, Savior of the World.” I gotta let that roll off the tongue . . . . nah, doesn’t fit. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, whatever.
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“I was here when the lights went on.”
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Wow. That and a buck will get you a cup of coffee. Congratulations.
I don’t know if the bandwidth available will hold all that ego. But we’ll just have to do.
Welcome back anyway, JR.
Ego shoes GMC?
Those your toes or mine?
Hey nobody loves dogs more than me. Dogs are what we have MADE them. But surely everyone ac knowledges that their are bad actors. I can’t imagine that anyone defends their…freedom. If you could call it that.
The American Veterinary Medical Association and several state veterinary medical associations oppose breed-specific legislation.
In fact, several states have actually banned breed Specific legislation. Cities in CA, CO, FL, IL, ME, MN, NJ, NY, OK, PA, TX, and VA cannot enact such screwy legislation. In Ohio, the state supreme court threw out breed specific legislation against pet bulls. (lawsuits are another potentially expensive problem).
All of this, because you want to control a few dogs. Instead of attacking the problem, you want legislation to control dog ownership for EVERYONE, to take care of the few.
I had a recent scary run in with two free roaming pit bulls. The problem with pit bulls is that they can kill you. They are extremely powerful. They are more dangerous and have killed more people and caused more serious injuries than any other breed.
Sure most pit bulls are fine. I’m not worried about those. The problem is that you can’t tell the difference until something bad happens.
I wouldn’t be against a ban.
Maybe we should ban toys. More children are killed with toys every year than all the pit bull bites over the last 30 years.
Actually imo, certain breeds of dogs should not be allowed in the city because of their size. Seventy plus pound dogs leave a nauseating pile of droppings and it stinks up the neighborhood.
If you want large animals, move to the country.
People don’t take care of their pets which includes picking up the waste they deposit. Leaving it laying around to rot causes all sorts of problems.
My solution is that anyone with a dog fifty pounds or bigger should be required to have a certified training certificate for canine discipline. The owner should be required to sign a statement acknowledging city ordinances regarding animal control. Also, the owner should be required to carry liability insurance and have a properly constructed and maintained fenced in area.
Domesticated animals becomes an irrelevant term when owners become irresponsible.
Sadly, we have to legislate and make ordinances to force responsibility on these slackers.
“cosmos didn’t win anything, this is an opinion blog not a race and there are no objective judges.”
Both babies
Maybe we need to arm ourselves with stun guns when walking our dogs. Use it first on the dog that attacks and then use it on the owner who broke the leash law.
They are more dangerous and have killed more people and caused more serious injuries than any other breed.Posted by: outlander
Your statement is not exactly factual. Most dog injuries are by a mixed breed and family owned dog.
“the majority (80%) of dog bites incurred by persons aged <18 years are inflicted by a family dog (30%) or a neighbor’s dog (50%) (9). During 1997–1998, a total of 75% of fatal dog bites were inflicted on family members or guests on the family’s property (10).”
Please read what the Center for Disease and Control says about breed specific legislation. Facts and stats. Not emotion.
“”Dangerous” dog laws focus on dogs of any breed that have exhibited harmful behavior (e.g., unprovoked attacks on persons or animals) and place primary responsibility for a dog’s behavior on the owner. Because a dog’s tendency to bite depends on other factors in addition to genetics (e.g., medical and behavioral health, early experience, socialization and training, and victim behavior), such laws might be more effective than breed-specific legislation (7). These prevention strategies require further evaluation.”
http://0-www.cdc.gov.mill1.sjlibrary.org/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5226a1.htm
Well JR!
It’s good to see you back, bro. It’s been WAAAAAy too long.
Use it first on the dog that attacks and then use it on the owner who broke the leash law.
Posted by: kscitydude
You have every right to defend yourself. But unfortunately, you are more likely to be attacked by the larger population of other breeds nationally, than a true pitt bull.
A better approach would be a strong “vicious” dog ordnance. And KEY to the law is ENFORCEMENT. The goal being to get all vicious dogs off the streets. “Vicious” can be defined and covers any dog. I know of two cities which have adopted this approach in Kansas: Leavenworth and Lawrence. Both have success stories. The law provides for a citizen to REPORT a vicious or mean dog. The beefed up animal control is dispatched to OBSERVE the dog. They are TRAINED in state by a company that teaches you how to identify a DANGEROUS dog (as opposed to breed which is difficult and does nothing for 90% of dangerous dogs). The dog is then taken to the pound. A court date is set. The owner can prove otherwise, or the dog is destroyed.
Much better than killing an entire breed of dogs over an emotional reaction.
Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Calif.), indicated yesterday that he plans to fight a Justice Department subpoena for 11 years of records that is part of the Jack Abramoff bribery investigation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/27/AR2007092701526.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Another one bites the dust.
With a little luck, all republican politicians will be in prison where they belong by ‘08.
Hillary you turncoat! You were for the war, then against it, now you are for it again?
We all said the war is wrong! We all said we were tricked into it!We all agreed that we elected the new congress to END THIS UNJUST WAR!!!
And now, even before you are ordained into office, you are telling us you will continue to kill Iraqi women and children – until your term is over?
Hell NO we won’t………………………………………………………………. VOTE FOR YOU!!!
Pitt Bulls? Ban them. Ban the breed. If they’re part-Pit, ban them.
If a person owns a Pitt Bull, search their house. 90% of the Pitt Bull owners I’ve known were involved in drugs.
Hey X!
Wall to wall tree top tal with powers and abilities far more than I can even begin to explore. Compared to webtv this is like….sheesh it was like using a stome hand axe to build an airplane.
I am certainly grateful to those responsible and also to all who had kind wishes for me in my absence.
As to pit bulls? I would THINK that those who truly love the breed would embrace efforts to improve it.
Or? Do they maybe in some way enjoy the…..stigma?
Do any of the city / county parks have fenced areas set aside for dogs to roam in. Lots of cities seem to be doing it. Owners are required to pick up after their dogs messes. ,,,,,, and they (Chicago) enforces a leash law. You can be ticketed by park police as well as city police —- seems like a good compromise ….
XXX
“90% of the Pitt Bull owners I’ve known were involved in drugs.”
It was the same with Dobermans in the 80’s.
Different decade, different weapon of choice.
If a person owns a Pitt Bull, search their house. 90% of the Pitt Bull owners I’ve known were involved in drugs.Posted by: XXX
Wow! Stereotype? But Bush is a bad guy because he pushed laws allowing the government to search for terrorists?
Right, Heck.
I have my suspicions about Rots…
…Hell NO we won’t………………………………………………………………. VOTE FOR YOU!!!Posted by: Not going to take it anymore | September 28, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Our legislature doesn’t allow Kansans to have a primary. So you can’t even vote against her.
If she gets the Democratic nomination I will vote for her. A Republican would be the death of America, as I see it.
If a person owns a Pitt Bull, search their house. 90% of the Pitt Bull owners I’ve known were involved in drugs.Posted by: XXX
It begs: How many Pitt Bull owners have you known and how many drug users?
Or are you just spouting shit?
Who cares about the primary? Heck, the only way you will see the candidates in Kansas if you look up and see their jets flying over to the big populous states with electorial votes.
Don’t be so die-hard brainwashed as to believe the crap about republicans being the devil. You are limiting the scope of learning and listening. If you listen closely to Hillary, you will see she is wishy-washy on just about everything. For it, against it, for it, against it.
Listen closely and 2013 makes for a nice reelection campaign to include ending the war.
STOP IT NOW LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD!!!
Uh Big?
Dog?
I fail to see how anything you are postimg as to this works to any benefit of the breed. You just wanna paddle in a circle.
See? I know where of I speak here. Aside from the attack I mentioned abovw, my son was once almost attacked by a pit bull. Half a second of difference and the outcome could have been tragic.
But Bush is a bad guy because he pushed laws allowing the government to search for terrorists? Posted by: Amazing Grace | September 28, 2007 at 11:48 AM
No Bush is a bad guy because he allowed a program to conduct wiretaps without warrants. Last time I checked, that was against the Amendment IV:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
“However, I don’t want to win with what conduct calls discussion conduct.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Well… why doesn’t Kansas win by posting some credible links to back the claims he made 4 months ago???
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787370“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports.”
Posted by: Republican | May 26, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Kansas, please give us some Congressional Record and Justice Dept links explaining how a project 100 miles away caused the New Orleans levee failures.
Some links from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, re the N.O. levee failures AND the 1996 lawsuit.
Some links describing the “bottomland hardwood wetlands” in the Industrial Canal section of New Orleans — and the # of “Louisiana black bear” there.
Kansas has claimed that he represents “Kansas values”.
Brownback could find the time to return to DC to vote to condemn an ad but couldn’t find the time to vote for health care for uninsured children.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344
Glad to know where his priorities lie.
“Don’t be so die-hard brainwashed as to believe the crap about republicans being the devil.”
Aren’t the republicans brainwashed into thinking the Democrats are the devil. They call us traitors, un-American, commies, socialist, and troop haters, why would I want anything to do with people who think that about me.
JR is back!
You better duck, wing-nuts.
*****
Listen to the outlanders whining about “the Dems won’t go on record to pull out.”
First, they damn us for wanting a date certain and then they damn us for not having a date certain.
It’s true. Hillary’s NOT my first choice. She talks like a lawyer, always hedging her position. My feeling is that she’s more interested in the career of Hillary than anything else.
That said, she’s LIGHT YEARS better than Bush or any Republicans (with the possible exception of Ron Paul, who’s also uneven to the extreme).
You can’t compare Bush and the Cons who lied us into war and lie to continue the war with Democratic candidates who had very little to do with the war.
Obama wasn’t in the Senate when the vote was taken. Edwards has apologized and warned against giving Worst. President. Ever. any power at all.
Just remember, wing-nuts. All the special powers you gave to Bush have been given to President Hillary or whoever the next president is . . .
See? I know where of I speak here. Posted by: J
And so do I and banning the breed will not stop another child from becoming a victim. If you really want to do something – enact legislation to weed out vicious dogs. Then, support a strong and active animal control department to enforce it.
I can’t help it if you can’t read. I’ve presented quite a bit of evidence and links. Of course, that is most of the problem with pit bull legislation – people act on emotion instead of facts.
Damn good point Doug. Maybe he had a conflict between his religion and the republican party line.
Visit any lower income area. Pit bulls are the rage. Good for fighting, good for protecting your stash.
Sad to say, I’m now weighting my investments to foreign investment funds. The dollar is going the route of the Confederate money, losing value every day, and as it does so speculators bid up the commodities like oil. So mr. average guy gets it from both sides, devaluing buck, and paying more for energy needs.All you chumps who cheered the few bucks that all the bush tax cuts gave you have been f’d along with the rest of us.
Democratic candidates who had very little to do with the war.
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress – 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate H.J.Res. 114 A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
EXCEPTION: ALL THOSE WHO CASTE YEA VOTES WHO HAVE NOW CHANGED THEIR MINDS ARE EXONORATED AND NOW ARE COMPLETELY FREE AND WITHOUT BLAME OR TARNISH.
(ho-hum, more of same from the koolaid crowd)
Sad to say, I’m now weighting my investments to foreign investment funds. Posted by: The Phantom
Where have you been? You have missed the boom in international stocks. It should have been a valuable part of a diversified portfolio long ago.
Visit any lower income area. Pit bulls are the rage. Good for fighting, good for protecting your stash.
Posted by: The Phantom
Now if I said this about the ethnics of people living in these areas – you would be outraged.
Nah. They’d just think you were being a sily wabbit.
God Bless our Environmental President and his party:
In his address, Bush called on “all the world’s largest producers of greenhouse gas emissions, including developed and developing nations,” to come together and “set a long-term goal for reducing” greenhouse emissions.
“By setting this goal, we acknowledge there is a problem, and by setting this goal, we commit ourselves to doing something about it,” he said.
Re the AUMF votes,
‘Words of Mass Destruction’http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
“In the section below where we highlight these quotes, we’ve tried to provide sufficient surrounding material to make clear the context in which the quotes were offered as well as include links to the full text from which they were derived wherever possible.”
Just heard the comedian, Limbaugh, say that the Democrats are the most dangerous threat to America.
Why dont the Democrats fire back at that big bag of wind? Geesh!
It is time for the Democrats to forget about playing nice-nice, and go on full attack. Hit Limbaugh where it hurts. The bank book.
Graffiti Troll posts the votes of Senate. Wow! Impressive. The man can google.
Thing is that the vote reflects the Senator’s decision to give the President the AUTHORITY to go to war, not to go to war.
Senators were told this vote would pressure Saddam into compliance.
It was a lie, but a plausible lie at the time.
BTW, Senator Obama did not vote YEA because he was not in the Senate at the time.
Dumbass.
Meanwhile, Edwards has apologized and admitted he was wrong.
*****
JR–
Jonas Outram is our resident racist facsist, filling the void of the banned Ian.
He takes his name from this novel, “The Serpent’s Walk,” a Nazi tract published in 1991 and authored by one “Randolph O. Calverhall.” Published by National Vanguard Books, which also published “The Turner Diaries,” the book is purportedly a “novel” about a Nazi takeover of the United States in the middle of the twenty-first century. After the President and Vice-President are killed in a biological warfare attack that utilizes genetically-engineered viruses (of ostensibly Russian origin), the Speaker of the House (”Jonas Outram”) becomes President, declares martial law and invites the Nazis into a governing coalition, which then takes over the United States.”
http://www.spitfirelist.com/f090.html
Nice, huh?
Why dont the Democrats fire back at that big bag of wind? Geesh!
Posted by: sugar
Sugar,
How? Democratic talk-shows aren’t bankrolled by the big corporations that own the airwaves.
Never forget: freedom of the press belongs to the man who OWNS ONE.
Wow! Stereotype? But Bush is a bad guy because he pushed laws allowing the government to search for terrorists?
Posted by: Amazing Grace | September 28, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Gracie,I was clearly talking about my experience. I didn’t even mention Augustus Stupidus.
What did I say that rattled your chain?
Was it the drugs?
BTW, Senator Obama did not vote YEA because he was not in the Senate at the time.
Dumbass.
I never said he did.
Dumbass.
And your EXCUSE does not give salvation to the vote they made freely with full knowledge.
THEY can lie after the fact and make ANY claim they want.
They are still r-e-s-p-o-n-s-i-b-l-e for the president sending our men and women to an unjust war.
dumbass.
How? Democratic talk-shows aren’t bankrolled by the big corporations that own the airwaves. Posted by: CapnAmerica
I think it’s more a matter of “ratings” than who owns the station.
Nobody listened to liberals.
All need to do regular backups of your computer information to avoid the following. 15 years and no complete backup? I am sorry he lost the pictures and writings.
The chic neighborhood is less safe?
Coppola says robbery cost years of data
By BILL CORMIER, Associated Press Writer
25 minutes ago
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – Francis Ford Coppola says in an interview broadcast Friday that he lost 15 years of computer data, including writings and family photographs, when robbers raided his Argentine studio.
ADVERTISEMENTSpeaking with Argentine broadcaster Todo Noticias, Coppola appealed to the bandits to return the small computer backup device, which was taken along with computers in the raid Wednesday night.
“They stole our computers; they got all our data, many years of work,” said Coppola, who apparently was not in the studio at the time of the robbery.
The director of “The Godfather” said the backup that rested on the floor in his offices at the Zoetrope Argentina studio was just “a little thing … but the information is (worth) much time.”
“If I could get the backup back, it would save me years — all the photographs of my family, all my writing.”
Coppola said the robbery would not prompt him to leave Argentina, where he plans to shoot a feature film: “Argentine people are very nice.”
Nonetheless, he said he was thinking of relocating his studio from the chic Palermo neighborhood to a Buenos Aires district where he felt safer.
Four robbers, at least one brandishing a knife, broke through a front door, tied up four employees and took four computers, cell phones and other valuables, apparently picking the studio at random, the newspaper Clarin reported, citing unnamed police sources.
The Noticias Argentinas agency said one of the stolen computers contained the 68-year-old director’s script for “Tetro,” a story about Italian immigrant artists set to begin shooting next year and starring Matt Dillon.
Although Coppola did not discuss the script in the televised interview, his publicist Kathleen Talbert said in an e-mailed statement that copies were saved elsewhere.
One studio employee was reported slightly cut by a knife while resisting the attack.
Well, if Limbaugh, and others, could be challenged to back up their pack of lies, say, with a press conference(?) or some kind of event, then when they refuse, or take to more name calling, then it will be more public than it is now.
Graffiti Troll writes:
“And your EXCUSE does not give salvation to the vote they made freely with full knowledge.”
Uh . . . “salvation”?
Actually, the Senators most certainly DID NOT have full knowledge. They did not know for instance that Bush had told the PM of Spain in Feb. that he was going to attack no matter what.
The Senators DID NOT KNOW that Bush had been told by the CIA that there was a lot of good evidence showing that no WMD’s existed.
The Senators DID NOT KNOW that Bush was going to hurt with reprisals any countries who did not join the “coalition,” as the PM of Spain also revealed recently.
Besides, Bush would have gone in no matter how the Senate voted. It was just a pressure ploy to try to make the Democrats look bad (quislings if they do, traitors if they don’t) which succeeded beautifully btw.
No way can you compare the cowardly Dems who voted “yea” to the ratf*cking b*st*rd Repukes who put them in this no-win situation and drove the country to war.
Maybe somebody could fire up the old rumor, about how Rush ate himself into obesity, in order to avoid the draft during the Nam days.
And maybe fire up the other rumor that Rush is being funded partially by the RNC, and other right wing groups?
And maybe somebody could do some investigative journalism as to who financed the recent “gatherings” in the Oval Office, of right wing talk radio hosts, to meet with Bush and presumably Rove, about how to deal with issues. (Isnt that some kind of violation?)
And why wasnt the judge that intervened in Rush’s illegal drug case called an “activist” judge?
Ask any American without knowing their political affiliation and you will find they will be hard pressed to name just one Liberal Talk Show host.
I don’t listen to Talk Radio myself, but have listened to it in the past.
The biggest difference I’ve noticed that Liberal Talk puts more emphasis on talking about people “good or bad.” Conservative talk radio does the same, but tends to spend more time talking about issues in depth.
This significance difference is that people can make up their own mind on what people are or aren’t.
However, they may have difficulty understanding issues and this fact of discussing issues is what separates Conservative from Liberal Talk radio.
Since I’m not an aficionado of either, just my humble opinion and observation.
Good ideas sugar…. But who would want to go up against the Right Wing fire power to do it???
Olbermann can only do so much to these guys, and he does try… But it takes more than Olbermann… no matter how GOOD he is…
Kansas has obviously not listened to the personal attacks, and direct inuendo’s aimed at Democrats and Liberals, attempting to fire up the Republican Base, against them by dragging out old threats of Communism, and hatred for the U.N. — and calling Democrats Socialists…. and racists…. and anything they can find to build up the Right Wing base…. People who are gullible readily believe all of that crap… And its time that the Liberals and Democrats start to take them head on… in debates… interviews… and anywhere else they can….
Well, if Limbaugh, and others, could be challenged to back up their pack of lies, say, with a press conference(?) or some kind of event, then when they refuse, or take to more name calling, then it will be more public than it is now.
Posted by: sugar | September 28, 2007 at 12:46 PM
So Sugar, you want to regulate the first amendment?
attempting to fire up the Republican Base, Posted by: Chas.
And is that so bad? It it against some law? Is it any different from you on this blog?
Maybe somebody could fire up the old rumor, about how Rush ate himself into obesity, in order to avoid the draft during the Nam daysPosted by: sugar | September 28, 2007 at 12:51 PM
Sugar, it’s much better than that. Rush got defered for anal lesions and ingrown Butt hairs.http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp
Like I said Chas, I don’t listen to talk radio unless it has something to do with science or history. So, that is usually on Public Radio.
I find I don’t like others forming my opinion for me, so I don’t listen to them.
I used to be the token liberal on a right-wing talk radio station in Kansas City.
When I was fired the producer said(and this is a direct quote), “You’re making the conservatives look bad.”
The conservatives helped.
See, I talked about issues and the natural consequences of what was conservative dogma.
If you want to deport all “illegal” aliens, then who’s gonna pick your onions and butcher your pigs? Probably anybody, if they’re paid a wage the job is worth. But if you don’t want to pay that wage and can get some Central American who’s living in poverty in Guatamala to come north and work for substandard wages, you can sell a steak for 5-cents less a pound and pay managament enough to afford McMansions in gated communities in the suburbs. It’s the American way.
If you want to solve the “illegal aliens” problem, put the people who hire them in the pokey. (But that would preclude the option of killing brown people, and that’s not the conservative way, now is it?)
If you want to eliminate public education and replace them with vouchers, then every voucher should be worth not a dollar amount, but one year’s tuition at the students’ choice. Maybe every kid in town would sign up for Kapaun-Mt. Carmel in Wichita or Pembroke Country Day School in Kansas City… and let’s see just how that works out when private schools can’t pick and choose their students.
Imagine how irrelevant Middle East Oil could become if America spent $12 Billion a month to develop fuel alternatives to oil. Yeah, it might cut into Exxon and Halliburton’s profits, but a lot of Americans wouldn’t be dead or maimed.
Conservatives have a knack for compartmentalizing issues and not looking at the implications for their spur-of-the-moment prejudices. The “Every Sperm is Sacred” crowd thinks a cluster of cells in a lab is worth more than a living-breathing, educated, trained, courageous soldier who’s gonna die today in Iraq.
And for what?
George WMD Bush has killed more Americans in Iraq than Osama bin Laden killed at the World Trade Center on 9/11.
And for what?
If you judge by name-calling, then yeah, cosmos won for calling me a liar several times a day for the past three months.
However, I don’t want to win with what conduct calls discussion conduct.
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Crybaby!
Here, you forgot this::)
The most popular radio talk show host in the country before Rush Limbaugh was a Jewish LIBERAL named Alan Berg in Denver. He pioneered the confrontational “shock jock” style.
He was shot to death by a group of neo-Nazis called “The Order” in 1984
I guess XXX wants to play the fool today.
It is allowed to act like a fool, so carry on XXX.
George WMD Bush has killed more Americans in Iraq than Osama bin Laden killed at the World Trade Center on 9/11.Posted by: Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker
I didn’t know it was a numbers game. So maybe we should have quit when we equaled those killed on 9/11? Maybe a few more for those who died in the other terrorist attacks?
Sounds like a great way to defeat an enemy who has sworn to kill all Americans. (not)
Now wait just a cotton pickin’ minute here Nothing But The Truth.
You can’t go comparing the Iraq death count to the 9/11 death count.
Afterall, we are not in Iraq because of 9/11. That would be an Afghan death count. Iraq is an unjust war by the bushies.
You have to find something else to compare numbers to.
Maybe we should have stuck to going after those involved in 9/11 instead of going after the hijackers’ enemies for them.
Alan Berg puts the lie to the idea that liberals “can’t get ratings.”
What it shows is that after Berg was shot and killed, the corporations made sure that the message broadcast loud and long was going to be THEIR message.
It is allowed to act like a fool, so carry on XXX.
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 01:33 PM
Crybaby!
Keep it up and I will report you for harassment though.
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
Tattletale!
Cutting and pasting from other threads not directed at you XXX is childish XXX.
Just what is your problem?
You always comment on how big you are and imply you could thump me.
Come on over and try it, I would oblige to send you to prison on assault and batter charges.
Hank, get a handle on your pet gorilla, he is making himself look bad on the blog.
Hey “Kansas”?
Did ya miss me?
Now, I don’t know Hank well. But I don’t THINK he would welcome you offering his suggestions. Your history here and all.
That’s my 2cents. Go buy a clue
Come on Kansas… just post some FACTS that support your opinion.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-928.html#comment-84405360
Glad you got a computer J R. I offered you one, but I’m pretty sure you didn’t want to accept it.
Hope you learned a few things while you were “blog-less.”
The personal attacks by the Libs on this blog is getting very tiresome.
If you want to participate in ad hominem like cosmos and XXX, then be my guest.
However, the consequences you create will be of your own design and intent.
True ‘dat “Kansas”. But anything I post here will be under one and only one ID.
“Capn” –
Re: Alan Berg in Denver.
“He was shot to death by a group of neo-Nazis called “The Order” in 1984.”
—
Yup. Alan was a courageous voice.
Back when I was the token liberal on a right-wing talk-radio station, I parked in one of those concrete underground garages in downtown KC.
It was cheek-pucker time after a show about gun rights.
And the thing is, I support exactly what the 2nd Amendment assures American of the right to keep and bear arms. It just, the NRA and other outfits have so distorted the 2nd Amendment — to the point of opposeing taggants in potentially explosive fertilizer, that lead to Oklahoma City’s carnage; — to the extent of opposing a simple Quality Control step in the manufacture of handguns that would put the gun barrel’s lans-and-grooves profile in a database associated with the gun’s serial number; to the extent people were objecting to a background check of paranoid schizophrenics who wanted to buy assault weapons at gun shows — that I often thought about Alan Berg when I walked through that parking garage alone.
And, in an odd way, I have a modium of respect for those neo-Nazis who assasinated Alan Berg, if only because they were so motivated and so threatened by him they took some action. Ten years later, the internet has reduced us to “Kansas” and “Max” and “Nathan” and… (well, I guess I have to admit it… me) who sit behind a keyboard hoping we won’t actually have to *act* on our firmly-felt beliefs.
Alan Berg showed up on the radio every day and worked for common sense. The neo-Nazis who murdered him showed up in the parking garage with the only-est argument they had left against him.
“If you want to participate in ad hominem like cosmos and XXX, then be my guest.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 28, 2007 at 01:57 PM
My asking Kansas to post FACTS to support his opinions is NOT an “ad hominem” attack.
“Cutting and pasting from other threads not directed at you XXX is childish XXX.”
Whatever
“Just what is your problem?”
You’re everybody’s problem.
“You always comment on how big you are and imply you could thump me.
Come on over and try it, I would oblige to send you to prison on assault and batter charges.”
Sissy!
“Hank, get a handle on your pet gorilla, he is making himself look bad on the blog.”
I look bad on the blog? according to who? You?
Kansas, I’m dissapointed. A few days ago, you threatened me with your “sack of toys”. Is this it?
“If you want to participate in ad hominem like cosmos and XXX, then be my guest.”
Show me where I’ve “ad hominemed” you.
So are you giving up your foolish little emoticon?
:)
What it shows is that after Berg was shot and killed, the corporations made sure that the message broadcast loud and long was going to be THEIR message.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Give me a break! It’s a vast right-wing conspiracy. EwwwWWWEEEEEEeeew!
So I guess all those tried and failed liberal talk shows since then were risking their lives?
You need help sir.
LTPFTL,
For too many of our conservative friends, your post above should be required reading:http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-928.html#comment-84415188
IMHO, the best post of the day.
Rage — What’s really unfortunate is that The Order is still alive and well… more undercover than ever… but still alive and well… in this “land of the free, and home of the brave?….
FTP, I’m certain that’s why they keep Colmes around, because he makes liberals look bad on Fox. If they had someone who could actually take on Hannity, well they couldn’t have that now could they?
Too bad you lost your job for being…well…intelligent.
Interestingly, my grandmother thinks Colmes is mean! I asked if she was sure she was listening to the right one since she’s blind.
It would appear that Nathan is either gone, or lurking somewhere… Have not seen anything on the Blogs lately…
Interesting too, that KsGrm is also gone… I wouldnt want to suggest anything…. but….
ksgrm said she was going on vacation. Don’t know about Nathan, he’s probably busy with other stuff.
LTP, and your excuse for not being a Liberal Talk Show Radio Host today is?
“Kansas” –
No one in corporate talk radio wants to hire me.
I “make conservatives look bad,” y’know?
Sure pisses ‘em off.
But they help.
Good to see you here again, JR!
True ‘dat “Kansas”. But anything I post here will be under one and only one ID.
Posted by: J | September 28, 2007 at 02:02 PM
Cute! If intentional.
You forgot the “R” to your “J” on a comment about ID’s. :)
Same here, JR. Didja know that GMC was still grumbling about you in your absence? LOL!
Hey “Kansas”?
Did ya miss me?
Now, I don’t know Hank well. But I don’t THINK he would welcome you offering his suggestions. Your history here and all.
That’s my 2cents. Go buy a clue
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 01:53 PM
True ‘dat “Kansas”. But anything I post here will be under one and only one ID.
Posted by: J | September 28, 2007 at 02:02 PM
(so which is it? “J” or “JR”?)
Awww poor Hannity…. griping about how poorly republicans are treated… It’s not the neo-cons that come up with racism, according to Hannity…. It’s the Democrats, and then they blame it on the Republicans… He’s gone after almost everybody except Truman… (Truman might be the one he needs to go after LOL)
(so which is it? “J” or “JR”?)
You neo-sock puppets would be so much more fun if you understood nuance or had a sense of humor.
Hey Rox and Rage!
Gang’s all here.
Sue me. I dropped an R. New keyboard.
J R,
No need to keep retyping your name if you don’t need to change it that is. :)
Just check the little box after you put your information in and it will remember who you are each time you sign into the Blog.
I’m sure you knew this, perhaps you have forgotten? :)
Unless of course you don’t wish it to remember “J R” when you post on the WE Blog. :)
Ah Kansas, I see you’ve restored your little emoticon.
Now that’s the Kansas we all know and love.
(BLEECH!!!)
I was going to say something, too, XXX. But you did it better than I could have and with more class.
That’s me, Steven, a classy guy!
LOL! LOL!
But Kansas still has not posted any facts to support his opinions.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-928.html#comment-84405360
Where there any “bottomland hardwood wetlands” in the Industrial Canal section of New Orleans in 1996? Any “Louisiana black bears”?
Laura Hope Smith, 22, of Sandwich, MA died on September 13, 2007, during a botched abortion committed by Rapin Osathanondh at Women Health Clinic in Hyannis, MA, at 13 weeks gestation, apparently from cardiac arrest.
The media is attempting to cover up this botched abortion death.See news pagehttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1903663/posts- – -
“Black people must wake up to the fact that abortion facilities are purposefully placed in minority and inner city areas. Abortion has become the number one killer of African Americans, killing more black people than heart disease, stroke, crime, accidents, HIV-AIDS – and all other deaths COMBINED! Therefore, I am especially happy at the closing of the Atlantic City abortion mill. We must understand that the abortion business makes millions and millions of dollars every year drenched in the blood of black children.”. . . former Miss Atlantic City Day Gardner, now president of the National Black Pro-Life Union, anchor for Daily Life News and on staff at the National Pro-Life Action Center in Washington
She was an adult, she made a decision, and there was an obvious reason the woman didn’t want to tell her parents or she would have- the article says what wonderful christians they were, I’m guessing that’s why her daughter felt the need to hide her pregnancy from them huh?
One young person changed their mind about abortion….woo.
“”My daughter was 22, healthy, and alive when she walked into that clinic,” Smith said. “She didn’t even have a cold.”
I thought that she didn’t know she was going for an abortion? Did the story change somehow that the mother knew how she was when she walked in there?
Yes, every death is tragic, but COMPLICATIONS HAPPEN. This mother says there was no hemmorhage but she wasn’t even there. Come on. They tell you there is a low risk of complications and death. She probably did die on the operating table. And that makes a difference how?
See, you people make no sense whatsoever.
The responses to that article are also equally as interesting. You’ve got Christians badmouthing all of them, and then you have this gem:
“There is none more pro-life than I am…My2SonsAreMarines”
Isn’t that an oxymoron? How can you be soooo pro-life, but then send your sons off to kill?
Why shouldnt everyone pay the same tax on their income for social security? Why should income above $97,000 NOT be taxed for social security?
Trickle down? Hehehehehhe…
More welfare for the weathly?
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | September 28, 2007 at 08:08 AM
The comparable payout for someone contributing 2x in Social Security taxes is not 2x the benefit. This is purely a Socialist program.
AND, within 10 years there will be MEANS TESTING, so those who have paid in to SS their entire life, were successful and were able to save some of their own money from the Socialist, will have their Social Security benefits cut by 50% or 100% depending on the MEANS TEST.
So, yeah Socialist, keep taking as much tax money as you can from those who are successful. Promise them something in return for 50 years, then admit you lied to them, and take away all their benefits.
That’s fair – for SOCIALISTS.
But you’ve my word. I won’t let you down again.
We’ve got a country a future and maybe world to save.
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 08:47 AM
PLEASE JR, Save the World!
Pmom is your name Rox now?
Guess you didn’t sign up on Capn’s team.
In addition to the city councils other rules, pit bull owners should be required to take out some sort of insurance should their time bomb of a dog go off.l
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 09:31 AM
We need a law to protect your Mom’s wimpy dog.
Save the world JR.
Why don’t we just outlaw wimpy dogs? Then we won’t have the problem that JR’s mommy had.
I hate to say this JR, but maybe, just maybe, your mom should get a cat.
Wimpy dog vs cat, is there a difference?
My vet worked with us tirelessly to make sure that dog had all it needed to succeed, and all that work ended with putting her to sleep anyway. I guess maybe this is a lesson that I needed to happen because I’d have been on the opposite side of the fence arguing against pit bull regulations.
Posted by: political_mom | September 28, 2007 at 09:39 AM
I see nothing wrong with Pit Bulls. Owners just need to be responsible and keep them leashed or behind a fence.
While on a business trip, I went running in Salt Lake City, on the way up to Ensign’s Peak. On the way up that early morning, a pit bull ran up to me, wagging his tail and tongue hangin out. I first was cautious (runners get used to sprinting away from dogs), but this pit bull just thought I was there to play that morning. He followed me for several blogs just running along by my side. On the way back down, he was waiting for me, and we ran back down several blocks.
Nice dog. No problem. Though he wasn’t leashed or fenced in.
If a person owns a Pitt Bull, search their house. 90% of the Pitt Bull owners I’ve known were involved in drugs.Posted by: XXX
I’m glad to see JR here to save the world. Starting first with a racist attack on pit bulls. Yes racist, apply the same standards to humans (as PETA does) and you are banning certain breeds of dogs, that’s racism.
Now XXX says the pit bull owners he knows are druggies. What kind of friends you have XXX?
Next, the world will be saved by JR by banning military recruiters from our school children.
Can’t wait to see the next hot agenda item for saving the planet.
I can’t believe global warming hasn’t come up yet.
I used to be the token liberal on a right-wing talk radio station in Kansas City.
When I was fired the producer said(and this is a direct quote), “You’re making the conservatives look bad.” LURKER
Lurker, you brought this CRAP up months ago. You didn’t lose your job because you made conservatives look bad. You lost your job because of your assinine comments, that made YOU and the RADIO station look bad.
I can’t believe you are bringing this up again. You want to rehash the threads from months ago, make my day.
I didn’t know it was a numbers game. So maybe we should have quit when we equaled those killed on 9/11? Maybe a few more for those who died in the other terrorist attacks?
Sounds like a great way to defeat an enemy who has sworn to kill all Americans. (not)
Posted by: Nothing But The Truth | September 28, 2007 at 01:33 PM
How many Al Queda have we killed? How many more attacks have their been on America?
Hey max an shhhhit?
Perhaps you will have an encounter with pit bull as my mom did. Pretty sick blaming the victim of an attack like that.
But….that’s conservativves for ya.
Ok, I agree, let’s move the UN from NYC in the USA.
And let’s also cut our funding down to our fair share.
There are 192 members of the UN. The USA should contribute 1/192 of the budget for the UN. That is 0.5% of the total budget.
The US, the taxpayers of the US anyway, are currently funding 22% of the UN budget.
Let’s play fair with the rest of the world and let the other countries pay their fair share.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2007/09/morales-down-wi.html
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Morales: Down with capitalism; move the U.N.; give Iran a chanceBolivian President Evo Morales welcomed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Bolivia on Thursday, sparking an outcry in Bolivia, where the leftist Morales is a hero to some, a divisive demagogue to others. He’s seldom short of words.
The visit came a day after Morales, speaking at the United Nations, called for the end of capitalism and moving the U.N. headquarters away from New York. Delays in obtaining U.S. visas and clearing customs and immigration really irked Bolivia’s first indigenous president, leader of Bolivia’s coca-leaf growers.
Ok, I agree, let’s move the UN from NYC in the USA.
And let’s also cut our funding down to our fair share.
There are 192 members of the UN. The USA should contribute 1/192 of the budget for the UN. That is 0.5% of the total budget.
The US, the taxpayers of the US anyway, are currently funding 22% of the UN budget.
Let’s play fair with the rest of the world and let the other countries pay their fair share.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2007/09/morales-down-wi.html
« Even senators in Brazil got rhythm — or try | Main | Bill Clinton: I’d vote for Evo too »
Morales: Down with capitalism; move the U.N.; give Iran a chanceBolivian President Evo Morales welcomed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Bolivia on Thursday, sparking an outcry in Bolivia, where the leftist Morales is a hero to some, a divisive demagogue to others. He’s seldom short of words.
The visit came a day after Morales, speaking at the United Nations, called for the end of capitalism and moving the U.N. headquarters away from New York. Delays in obtaining U.S. visas and clearing customs and immigration really irked Bolivia’s first indigenous president, leader of Bolivia’s coca-leaf growers.
Double post, sorry. WE Blog must be doing some special scanning of my IP.
Make My Day.
Hey max an shhhhit?
Perhaps you will have an encounter with pit bull as my mom did. Pretty sick blaming the victim of an attack like that.
But….that’s conservativves for ya.
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 06:33 PM
As a former paperboy as a 11 yr old kid, I have no more problems with Pitbulls vs any other breed of dog. German Shepard on Glenny threatened me every day. Little ankle biter a few blocks down gave me more of a hassle. Was somewhat troubling to have to kick the ankle bighter while the owner watched and did nothing, but I was just defending my ankles.
Ever see Cold Turkey, where the frustraighted ex-smoker drop kicked that cute little mutt wearing the ribbon on his head? Well, if it’s biting you, large or small, I learned the lesson from my older brother, kick the SOB in the jaws.
Bad dogs are of every breed. Owners fail to control every breed. As a former newspaper boy, I consider myself an expert.
Well Max, my mother is 70 years old. I’m afraid she is little match for a close to 200 pound dog bent on attacking her pet.
We’ve since found out the dog is female and carrying pups. Something of an explanation but not an excuse for the attack. The dog must be put down pups and all. If I have anything to do with it the owner will be sued.
A topic that is slightly more important then bad dogs and bad military recruiters is here.
Iran wins a battle with the impotent UN today. No big surprise. But given the statements from the President of Iran and his nucleur threats to the rest of the world, this should highlight the fact that the rest of the world cannot be counted on to defend the world from future Hitlers.
The US is not the world policeman, but who else is stepping up to the plate?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298492,00.html
Iran Wins 2-Month Reprieve From New U.N. Sanctions Over Nuclear ProgramFriday, September 28, 2007
E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
NEW YORK — In a setback for the United States, Iran won a two-month reprieve from new U.N. sanctions over its nuclear program on Friday. The Bush administration and its European allies ceded to Russian and Chinese demands to give Tehran more time to address international concerns.
200 lb dog? My ass!
Any 200 lb dog would be draggin so low and so slow, it could barely open its mouth and lift its head above the food bowl.
JR, you think I’m a pain, just wait until you see the 3 bigger Billy Goats. I’m the smallest of 4.
Make our day!
My grandmother when she was 70 years old got bit by a rattlesnake in her back yard.
She went an got the hoe and killed that SOB.
Only then did she go get Grandpa to take her to the hospital to take care of her wounds.
The Liberals will make us a nation of wimps, dependent on Government for doing everything including wipin our own tails.
JR, sorry to see there are no gonads in your family.
Oh? Are all the “billy goats” arrogant boobs as well?
Go sell that it is good when pit bulls attack old folks.
What kind of pills you on today Max??? A little bit over aggressive, eh???
I see that dog or its owner again you’ll see gonads fella. I’ll kill the damn dog and make the idiot hold her for me.
Oh? Are all the “billy goats” arrogant boobs as well?
Go sell that it is good when pit bulls attack old folks.
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Hell JR, I don’t claim to be able to save the world. And you call me arrogant?
Go comb your hair and stair in the mirror for awhile. I gotta life and will be out living it for the rest of the night.
You’ll still be staring at yourself after I get back I bet.
I’m glad I have a chihuahua and a fox terrier…. And they’re OLD!!
I see that dog or its owner again you’ll see gonads fella. I’ll kill the damn dog and make the idiot hold her for me.
Posted by: J R | September 28, 2007 at 07:12 PM
What are you waiting for? If it attacked my mother the problem would have been solved by now. If not by me, then by the 3 bigger billy goats!
Thought you were off for an evening with a pit bull maxie.
Late update. The dog is in custody. Maybe she is Max’s date for the evening.
J R I hope your mom’s little dog is going to be ok…. Darn pit bulls are dangerous critters!!
Buy American, bring the jobs home.
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/mikeluckovich;_ylt=AhH8YedUPI9EVCetf.ZyeetQ_b4F
The Liberals will make us a nation of wimps, dependent on Government for doing everything including wipin our own tails Posted by: Max | September 28, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh, don’t tell Max that there are Liberals in the military and more than likely in Iraq or Afghanistan at this very moment.
Double post, sorry. WE Blog must be doing some special scanning of my IP.
Make My Day.
Posted by: Max |
Double posts from my experience occur for only one reason.
People don’t seem to understand that hitting the “post” button more than once doesn’t make it post faster.
It’s just a laggy website.
No need to keep retyping your name if you don’t need to change it that is. :)
Just check the little box after you put your information in and it will remember who you are each time you sign into the Blog.
*****
I haven’t found that to be true from any computer I’ve used, whether on high bandwidth or low.
After two posts, I lose my TypeKey link and if I log on and come back, it NEVER remembers me.
But, hey, what do you want for nuthin’?
After two posts, I lose my TypeKey link and if I log on and come back, it NEVER remembers me.
But, hey, what do you want for nuthin’?
Posted by: CapnAmerica
The TypeKey requires identity back to your PC. You should congratulate yourself for having software to protect your identity!
‘Video: Thank you for being a friend Mr. President’http://www.desmogblog.com/video-thank-you-for-being-a-friend-mr-president
“President Bush assured the rest of the world today that he takes climate change seriously and vowed that the United States “will do its part” in crafting “a new international approach.”
He’s only had close a decade to take the issue seriously. What’s been the hold up you ask? This video we made might just be the explanation.”
Good LOL’s (and sad truth) in link at above DeSmogBlog page,’Bush Seeks New Image on Global Warming’http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/28/AR2007092800079.html?hpid=topnews
“Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), chairman of a House global warming committee, said Bush’s only commitment to the environment is to “recycling rhetoric.” Markey, who attended the speech, added: “For these countries meeting with the president, this must have felt like attending a prayer session led by an atheist.” “
Max what the hell are you smoking? Rox?
What a total POS you are.
XXX I’m not a druggie.
Shhh, you’re lucky.
Udall to introduce ‘Rush’ resolution on Monday.On Monday
Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) will introduce a resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh’s comments that troops who support withdrawal from Iraq are “phony soldiers.” In a dear colleague letter, Udall says the resolution will honor “all Americans serving in the Armed Forces” while “condemning” Limbaugh’s “unwarranted attack.”
*****
The arrogance of that gas-bag: calling troops that came home in one piece, or those that didn’t, “PHONY soldiers” for opposing the Neo-CON war for oil.
There you have it, folks, the fake “support for our troops” of the right-wing.
We support you but only if you say what we want you to say. Pull a John Kerry, and we’ll make you pay like John Kerry.
“Hell JR, I don’t claim to be able to save the world. And you call me arrogant?
“Go comb your hair and stair in the mirror for awhile. I gotta life and will be out living it for the rest of the night.
“You’ll still be staring at yourself after I get back I bet.”
Here I am downstares in my basement stairing into my mirror, but I am here to tell you, when they say in Kansas City that “Iogewians are as dumb as dirt”, _and_ if Maxine is a representative sample, they were being waaayyyyy too kind.
Good coverage of Limbaugh today at http://mediamatters.org/
For example, he selectively edited “phony soldiers” clip, then claimed it was “the entire transcript”.
if Maxine is a representative sample, they were being waaayyyyy too kind.Posted by: Steven Davis | September 28, 2007 at 08:45 PM
Interesting that you thought of Max while you were admiring yourself in the mirror.
For example, he selectively edited “phony soldiers” clip, then claimed it was “the entire transcript”.
Posted by: cosmos
There is hope for you yet cosmospolitan if you are listening to Rush.
Rush says Media Matters is a Leftist Communist organization, funded by George Soros… He was really mad today that they were twisting his words… and claiming he never said “phony soldiers”
He must be taking some REAL heat over this Guffaw!!
Chas,
While riding my ten-speed bike thru a neighborhood years ago, a pack of four, maybe half-grown chihuahua puppies tried to chase me.
It was very funny — and odd, compared to other times with (big) dogs, that could’ve caused me serious injury.
“Interesting that you thought of Max while you were admiring yourself in the mirror.”
In case you missed it, humor challenged, mine was a take-off on the Max’s serious spelling problems.
In case you missed it, humor challenged, mine was a take-off on the Max’s serious spelling problems.
Posted by: Steven Davis
Then you haven’t really read your friend J R (or is it J) postings.Let’s be even in our laughter.
Note the date:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=17§ion=21&d=29&m=10&y=2004&mode=dynamic§ionlist=no&pix=interact.jpg&category=Interact
Yeah, that’s interesting Ed,
“Microsoft VBScript runtime error ‘800a000d’
Type mismatch: ‘cint’
/common.asp, line 32 “
Hit number 2
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=otis+g+barlow+ed+friedemann
Try this one, Kansas >>>>
http://www.arabnews.com/
*********Top Secret***********
From: Blog CentralTo: Bloggers “In the Click”
Subj: Re-Introduction of J R
It is critical that we re-introduce the nic “J R” with adequate fanfare to establish cred. as a valid long time, and independent poster.
We must not let anyone infer that this is anything but a return of a long time poster, and not a second NIC for an existing persona.
We must, using our great blue and liberating liberal strength, ensure that J R is supported and joined by all those expressing the kool-aide view on life.
That is all.
Maxwell
Oh gee, isnt that cute… the sock puppet ballet makes its weekend debut….
Friday, 29, October, 2004 (15, Ramadhan, 1425)
On Sharon’s Win Offering Hope to Progressives, Palestinians
With all due respect Mr. Freedland, sir, are you nuts? Do you actually think that this so-called “pull-out plan” is anything more than an election ploy for Bush? A plan to dangle to a naïve world? A reason to extract even more money from the US Treasury? These people are Likudists, remember?
They don’t do nice things or any things that don’t have an ulterior motive. If they don’t get money, get to murder, get to steal Arab land, get to cause someone misery, get to bulldoze somebody’s house, get to kill Arab kids, then, sir, they don’t do it, understand? What planet do you live on? When you go back to your home planet, will you take the Israelis with you, please? Thank you very much.
All the Palestinian children who haven’t been murdered yet also thank you. And, sir, from the bottom of my heart, I also thank you. Have a wonderful trip. But please, sir, please don’t bring those things back. Sir, please don’t do that. I’m begging you.
Ed Friedemann published 29 October 2004—–
The Israelis put Bush back into the White House in 2004.
What is a “Likudists”?
Let’s be even in our laughter.
Posted by: Pat Herron
When there is anything even about us, I will let you know. Don’t count on hearing from me ever again. :) (that was for you, master of sock puppets). Are there actually dumber people than Max posting here now? Heaven forbid!
What is a “Likudists”?
They are nudists with lisps.
Hit number 2Posted by: Ed Friedemann
In the immediate future we must pay more attention to traitors like you. Defamation can occur by even the least bright of the klansmen. Even a Shmegegge like Fred is dangerous to the nation.
The Israelis put Bush back into the White House in 2004.
Posted by: Ed Friedemann | September 28, 2007 at 09:32 PM
Here I thought it was Floridians all along. Silly me…
Yeah Steven.
That fella Max acts like he is the he bull or goat of the blog. He made me feel positively unwelcome! Wonder if he’s an incarnation of someone I already know.
JR, Is that you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004
Just look at all those red districts on the map for the 2004 elections. :)
When there is anything even about us, I will let you know. Are there actually dumber people than Max posting here now? Heaven forbid! Posted by: Steven Davis
Oh please. Your dear friend J R who is going to save the world. Did you grab him out of special ed classes? Or did you model his NIC intentionally to be dumb as dirt:
Instead of “Dachsund” try “Dachshund”.Instead of “untehtered” try something else.Instead of “Fortuately” try “fortunately”Instead of “alright” try using “all right”.Instead of “A hidded provision” try using “A hidden provision”Instead of “noifying parents” try using “noifying parents”Instead of “oontrol” try using “control”Instead of “working to gentle this breed” to make this breed more gentle”Instead of “Good on them” try “Good for them”Instead of “lots to learn” try using “ a lot to learn”Instead of “stome hand axe” try using something in English like “stone hand axe”Instead of “Your history” try using “you’re history” when making the contractionInstead of “I dropped an R. New Keyboard.” Try the truth. Anyone typing knows this.Instead of “with pit bull” try “with a pit bull”Instead of “Oh? Are all the “billy goats” arrogant boobs as well?” The guy should take a basic English class on grammar.
(The above is just one page of his many posts.)
If you remove all of the Dead people voting, Bush would be back in Crawford and most soldiers and Iraqis would still be alive.
New Jersey? { for starters }
And 3 gasoline wouldn’t be costing everybody their jobs.
Yup Ed it’s me.Well HI there Pat!
We haven’t met….I don’t think.
New keyboard dontcha know. you wanna critique spelling and grammar? Seek out one Paul F Rosell aka Econ 101. He’s one of yours. Save your “help: for him.
Oh and Pat? You’ll soon learn better than to cross me dear.
It is dear isn’t it? Or…are you a guy with a girls name?
Oh and Pat?
Paul is a journalism graduate. I can write and spell circles around him. I think you’ll find his company more to your liking.
If you remove all of the Dead people voting, Bush would be back in Crawford and most soldiers and Iraqis would still be alive. Posted by: Ed Friedemann | September 28, 2007 at 10:04 PM
But Ed, all those dead people had proper identification and established residencies. :)
If you remove all of the Dead people voting, Bush would be back in Crawford and most soldiers and Iraqis would still be alive. Posted by: Ed Friedemann
Wrong again bozo. Look at who really committed election fraud and were convicted!
There is evidence from just about every state in the union:
Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), Acorn pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic Party.
Associated Press ^ | Jul 26, 2007 | Associated Press
SEATTLE (AP) – King County prosecutors filed felony charges Thursday against seven people in what a top official described as the worst case of voter-registration fraud in state history, while the organization they worked for agreed to keep a better eye on its employees and pay $25,000 to defray costs of the investigation. The seven submitted about 1,800 registration cards last fall on behalf of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which had hired them at $8 an hour to sign people up to vote, according to charging documents filed in Superior Court. Secretary of…
Seattle Times ^ | 1/27/5 | David Postman
TUKWILA — The state Republican Party said in court papers filed yesterday that it has found 300 illegal votes and more than 400 that can’t be verified in the governor’s election. With Christine Gregoire winning the governor’s race by 129 votes, Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance says he now has found far more than enough evidence to persuade a judge to nullify the election and call for a rematch between Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi. Lawyers and Republican staffers are continuing to look county by county for votes cast by felons, in the name of dead people or by people…
Kansas City Star (Missouri) ^ | Tue, Nov. 21, 2006 | staffA federal judge has dismissed charges against a Kansas City woman for alleged voter registration fraud, court records show. Senior U.S. District Judge Howard Sachs on Monday dismissed a two-count federal indictment against Stephanie L. Davis at the request of the office of U.S. Attorney Bradley Schlozman. In the request, the office said Davis claimed she “was not the person who did the acts charged” but that her “identity was used without her permission.” The office said the claims were true.Davis was one of four people indicted by a federal grand jury for allegedly submitting false voter registrations while working… (They arrested the WRONG ACORN worker)
Belleville News-Democrat, IL ^ | 10.25.2006 | AP
CLAYTON, Mo. – St. Louis County Election officials claim hundreds of fraudulent voter address changes have been turned in by ACORN, a group that’s been criticized for its voter sign-up work in Missouri. St. Louis County’s Republican elections director Joseph Goeke said if a county voter does not get a polling-place notification card in the mail right before the election, the address could have been changed behind their back. Election Board employees estimate hundreds of fraudulent address changes were submitted. The address changes included forged signatures and are among questionable or fraudulent voter registration cards submitted to the county within…
STLtoday.com ^ | 10/25/2006 | Jo Mannies
Hundreds of bogus address changes have surfaced at the St. Louis County Election Board, which is warning voters to make sure they get a polling-place notification card in the mail next week. If the card doesn’t show up, a voter’s address may have been fraudulently changed without their knowledge, said Joseph Goeke, the county’s Republican elections director. Voters who don’t get a card can call the election board or bring valid identification and proof of residence to the polls on Nov. 7, Goeke said. “If you’re at the correct polling place for your (correct) address, then you can vote,” Goeke…
RedState.com ^ | October 5, 2006 | RedState.com
RedState.com has a video on their website where unpaid, ACORN workers let the cat out of the bag that they were sent out to go to 148,000 doors soliciting votes for an increase in the Minimum Wage but, they were also instructed to push McCaskill for the U.S. Senate. This is a violation of campaign law. ACORN is not supposed to endorse any candidate. See the video here: http://www.redstate.com
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Apr 04, 2006 | Terrence Scanlon
How does a dog vote? It’s a question to ponder. Dogs do end up on voter lists from time to time — one was registered in St. Louis in 2000 — and I worry that today’s polling places are not dog-friendly. Can a dog operate a touch screen election machine? Are owners permitted into the voting booth to help their pets? Seriously. Nowadays dogs, the deceased, convicted felons, illegal immigrants and imaginary people are registered to vote. This shouldn’t be. But to hear some liberal groups, any rules and restrictions on the franchise are intolerable. One liberal group seems to…
Madison.com ^ | February 9, 2006 | Pat Schneider
(Residents urged to join group…) ACORN, a national community organizing group, is struggling to attract members in the Allied Drive area, but is winning support from two key neighborhood groups. Members from the Allied-Dunn’s Marsh Neighborhood Association and the Dunn’s Marsh-Allied Drive Landlords Association urged neighborhood residents to join ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, at an organizing meeting Wednesday. “We need to get these lazy people out of their houses to come out and see what we’re talking about,” Greg Wright, a member of the Allied-Dunn’s Marsh Neighborhood Association, told the group of about 35 gathered
9NEWS.COM ^ | 10/5/2005 8:35 PM MDT | Marc Sternfield
DENVER – One of several defendants profiled in an I-Team investigation into widespread voter registration fraud has avoided jail time. A Denver District Court judge on Wednesday sentenced Monique Mora, 20, to six months probation and 100 hours of community service.
Posted by mn-bush-manOn News/Activism 12/07/2004 8:02:07 AM PST • 36 replies • 1,341+ views
wcco.com ^ | Dec 7, 2004 | AP
Man Pleads Guilty To Voter Registration Scam Dec 7, 2004 6:38 am US/Central Minneapolis (AP)A 19-year-old St. Louis Park man arrested this fall with hundreds of filled-out voter registration cards in his car told authorities that he forged some signatures to make extra money. Joshua Reed pleaded guilty Monday in Hennepin County District Court to two felonies. He will be sentenced next month. As part of the plea deal, prosecutors said they would recommend 60 days in the county workhouse, plus 15 days of community service. County Attorney Amy Klobuchar said Reed admitted he failed to promptly turn over the…
Man Pleads Guilty To Voter Registration Scam
Dec 7, 2004 6:38 am US/CentralMinneapolis (AP)
A 19-year-old St. Louis Park man arrested this fall with hundreds of filled-out voter registration cards in his car told authorities that he forged some signatures to make extra money.
Joshua Reed pleaded guilty Monday in Hennepin County District Court to two felonies. He will be sentenced next month. As part of the plea deal, prosecutors said they would recommend 60 days in the county workhouse, plus 15 days of community service.
County Attorney Amy Klobuchar said Reed admitted he failed to promptly turn over the voter registration cards to the Secretary of State or a county auditor, and he admitted he forged signatures on 18 voter registration cards.
Klobuchar said Reed never intended to use the forgeries to allow anyone to vote twice. Instead, he wanted to increase his earnings — he told authorities that ACORN paid him $1.50 for each new voter he registered, she said.
“He was trying to get some extra cash for registering voters,” Klobuchar said. ACORN, known as Associated Community Organizations for Reform Now, was one of several groups that hired canvassers to register new voters this year.
An ACORN official previously said Reed was paid $1 per registered voter.
Posted by Tumbleweed_ConnectionOn News/Activism 10/31/2004 2:08:24 PM PST • 6 replies • 1,303+ views
NRO ^ | October 31, 2004 | Meghan Clyne OhioReports of voter-registration fraud are tiresomely commonplace. From the 6,000 ineligible felons listed on Colorado’s voter rolls, to the cocaine offered in exchange for registrations from Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy in Ohio, this year’s swing states have already seen unprecedentedly corrupt get-out-the-vote efforts. This is especially true in Florida, where the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is the subject of a state investigation for potentially criminal voter-registration activity. THE MONEY TREE Although ACORN’s projects run a wide gamut, the group claims as its purpose helping low- and middle-income Americans — through initiatives ranging from improving urban…
Miami Herald ^ | Oct. 30, 2004 | Natalie P McNeal
Several South Florida residents are suing a nonprofit agency, saying the group conducted a voter registration drive, paid workers for each application and purposely withheld applications until after the registration deadline. The lawsuit against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now says the nonprofit group asked several South Florida residents to register to vote during a summer petition to get a minimum-wage amendment on the ballot. The lawsuit, which has 11 plaintiffs, was filed Friday against ACORN in Broward County Circuit Court. ACORN is the nation’s largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families. Solicitors were paid $2 per…
Oh and Pat? You’ll soon learn better than to cross me dear.Posted by: J R
Bring it on asshole. I love rolling in the mud. (big evil smile)
But you can try to joke about your useage of the English language all you want. You can’t get “you’re” from “your” by blaming your keyboard.
And please remember – once you are a liar, always you are a liar.
And everyone on this board knows the truth.
I see Hillary is busy buying votes by proposing every child born in America be given $5,000.
Nothing like using public money to buy votes.
Hill, I could use some new furniture for the rec room.
While Pat contemplates a retort…
I am enjoying the hell outta google maps.
This is interesting…
I can see the White House. I can see it right down to the scale of people and cars.
So….I decided to go looking for bin Laden. You know, since bush kinda stopped doing that?
Thing is? That region between Pakistan and Afghanistan where he is supposed to be?
No images available.
Huh.
Oooh a challenge.
Hey “Pat”? Do I know you by another nic?
See I just have the one.
Sir? Ma’am…whatever, can you enlighten me and the blog as to just where I’ve lied?
Check out Area 51 J R. Just a bit from Groom Lake in Nevada. You can take a base tour with Google Earth. :)
Likudist = member of the Israeli Likud Party
Ah, makes sense now Chas, ty. I’ve heard it spoken (Likud Party) but never have seen it spelled.
J R,
This Pat character is one crazy dude/dudette. Ignore him/her, they will go away – none too soon, I might add.
The number of sock puppet/hit & run posters has increased exponentially since you were last here. They are all really boring like this “pat” clown.
Welcome to the new WE blog, much worse than the old WE blog. A trend that keeps on happening in this country under the current administration [sic].
Uh huh.
“Pat” insults me, calls me a liar, then skates.
Hey Pat? It’s been done.I’ll give he/she all night to make good on its posts.
Oooh a challenge.Posted by: J R
Hey J R (or J) whatever you are. The blog is an opinion blog. People post their opinions here and discuss them. This is not a forum for deciding who has the biggest dick.
The idea is a free exchange of ideas, thoughts, and impressions.If you have business thereonto pertaining, please post. I don’t care if you go back toAdam. If you have an opinion post it. We don’t’ need more posters who turn this siteinto a shooting gallery of ego’s. Just post your opinion (if you have one) on the issuesof the day. Do you think you can restrict yourself to that?
Additionally, the days of “friends” running this website are history. It’s a brand new world and anyone ANYone from around the world can freely post here, without intimidation from the good ole boys (and girls).
Suck up to your old friends.
But Pat, opinion is supposed to mean something sometimes…
Chris from Mactown?
“We don’t’ need more posters who turn this site into a shooting gallery of ego’s. Just post your opinion (if you have one) on the issues of the day. Do you think you can restrict yourself to that?================ — Pat Herron –
Looks like you dont like taking your own advice much, eh, Pat??
Ohhh Pat DOES know me.
Too bad Pat is hiding out under a new nic. I got lotsa folks wanna trash me. Some of them I even miss beating up on.
Shooting gallery? Who called who an asshole and invited a roll in the mud?
Oh and I’m STILL waiting for the part where I lied.
Looks like you dont like taking your own advice much, eh, Pat??
Posted by: Chas
Go back to the days beginning (and beyond). I post opinions and follow on to others. But if I am attacked by the pack of wolves who think they control this blog, I will respond in kind. If you look, that’s how we got to where we are.
If everyone sticks to opinions, instead of insults, this blog would be more worthy of world attention. Until then, we are just ants.
Hey “Pat”?
You have me at a disadvantage. I kinda like to know who I’ve forced into an obsessive grudge against me.
You have me at a disadvantage. I kinda like to know who I’ve forced into an obsessive grudge against me.
Posted by: J R
Don’t worry about what people think about you. Just post your opinion on the days events.
Uh Yeah Pat.
That’s what I do. It was you taking it to the dirt and inviting me along.
“If everyone sticks to opinions, instead of insults, this blog would be more worthy of world attention.”
Posted by: Pat Herron | September 28, 2007 at 10:55 PM
Opinions should be based of facts.
If a poster bases her/his opinion on a falsehood, then her/his opinion is probably also false.
Pat writes, “But you can try to joke about your useage of the English language all you want.” and later “Just post your opinion on the days events.”
It’s “usage” and “day’s,” jeenyous.
Please, tell me you were homeschooled.
Capn America I would like to tell you those were “keystroke” errors, but alas, I cannot tell a lie.
I used the wrong words.
Yeah I saw that Capn and Cos.
Also? If you’re anal and wanna go scroll, my use of “your history” is correct.
But I’m more interested in what lies Pat can catch me in.
Wasn’t Pat Herron some NFL guy in the ’70’s?
Opinions should be based of facts.
Posted by: cosmos
No, I’d disagree. Opinions are based upon personal experience and acquired knowledge.
I may believe the government should not rob Peter to pay Paul. You may believe in a socialist state where the government meets the needs of all the needy using Peter’s funds.
That is opinion. No facts.
Dropped my R again.
Crucify me Pat!
People who say they’ve never lied . . . it’s how corporations spot liars on personality tests.
Honest people admit they have told lies . . .
You called me a liar Pat.
Let’s see your proof or your humble apology. I am not without mercy.
Oh, he’s one of these, “stop SOCIALISM now, before it destroys America” dudes.
Pathetic.
Gross
Pat is a he?
I was sure it was an anal retentive conservative womanwho I had made fall in love with me,
Socialism as a political movement died in the United States about 70 years ago.
Now, we only have socialism for the rich. See Halliburton, Enron, and the Wichita arena if you don’t believe it . . .
Socialism as a political movement died in the United States about 70 years ago.Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 28, 2007 at 11:20 PM
I was curious what that smell was.
The smell is your upper lip.
You really should go outside and knock the stink off from time to time, Kansas . . .
We learn by doing “Pat”
Ya lost today. You’ll just have to come back next time with somthing more than lies and insults.
I don’t THINK that is gonna make this blog a “world noticed” thing or whatever you said. But it is a start.
HEY Kansas,
Where there any “bottomland hardwood wetlands” in the Industrial Canal section of New Orleans in 1996?
And BTW: The levees that failed in 2005, and flooded New Orleans, were COMPLETED.
The 1996 lawsuit, re a project 100 MILES and farther north, caused no delays to those levees that failed.
Even if it had, it’s IRRELEVANT — because the construction of the levees was DONE when Katrina hit.
Socialized medicine isn’t something that happened 70 years ago.
You really should go outside and knock the stink off from time to time, Kansas . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 28, 2007 at 11:22 PM
I was outside just two weeks ago.
You called me a liar Pat. You said the whole blog felt the same.
Now….I have been away since March. Perhaps someone has been playing me?
I’m genuinely interested in enlightenment as to this.
What lies have I or someone pretending to be me posted here Pat?
Ya lost today. Posted by: J R
Hey J R (or J typeo), I wasn’t keeping score. If it makes you feel better, keep score. I could care less. I noticed your thoughts (and keystroke errors) on other links today. I didn’t see a lot of support for your opinions. But your “old friends” surely welcomed you back. BTW, have you bothered to research the facts on Breed Specific Legislation yet? I think you will find your emotional distraught over grannies attack is not grounds for banning any breed.Have a nice night.
Yeah you sleep good too “Pat”.
Come on back on where I have ever lied. Maybe it will come to you in a dream.
I eat posers like you for lunch.
We have socialized medicine, now, Pat.
The costs for big Pharma are socialized and the profits are privatized.
A lot of the drug breakthroughs drug companies and medical technologies patent and profit from are paid for on the taxpayer dime at universities and research institutions.
Then there’s also the special arrangements that gov’t gives drug co’s, like agreeing to protect them from re-importation of their own drugs from Canada or letting Medicare negotiate drug prices.
Socialize costs, privatize profits.
Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
By Timothy BallMonday, February 5, 2007
Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn’t exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don’t pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. “It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species,” wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970’s global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990’s temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I’ll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.
No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.
I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?
Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn’t occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.
I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, “State of Fear” he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen’s. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology – especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.I think it may be because most people don’t understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.” A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.
As Lindzen said many years ago: “the consensus was reached before the research had even begun.” Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky’s book “Yes, but is it true?” The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky’s findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky’s students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.
I eat posers like you for lunch.
Posted by: J R
That’s nice J R (or J). I hope it gives you a sense of fulfillment.
“No, I’d disagree. Opinions are based upon personal experience and acquired knowledge.”
Posted by: Pat Herron
But if your “acquired knowledge” is inaccurate, then your opinion will also probably be inaccurate.
I eat posers like you for lunch.
Posted by: J R
BTW, was posers another keystroke error?
Gotta be love Pat.
You were going to bed right?
What you couldn’t stop thinking ’bout me?
I’m …uhhh…honored.
Geez…2 years almost I was on this blog. Conservatives never changed, never got any better. Six months I’m gone and they’ve only descended further.
I think he meant “poser” as in someone pretending to be someone they aren’t. I hear it sometimes when kids talk.
If he meant poster, then his left index finger is in need of physical therapy.
I would suggest QWERTY exercises with timed sequences. :)
But if your “acquired knowledge” is inaccurate, then your opinion will also probably be inaccurate.
Posted by: cosmos
Not necessarily. “inaccurate” is not the word I would use.
You are trying to box in different belief systems based upon some mathematical formula or measure of truth. Belief systems are based upon a life time of acquired knowledge. It’s a matter of perception. It’s not 2 + 2 = 4.
Yup, a spell checker would be great too.
But not as good as an “ignore” feature.
Mozilla Firefox browser has a spell checker.
Climate Extremism: the Real Threat to CivilizationBy Dr. Timothy Ball and Tom HarrisFriday, July 20, 2007
There is nothing particularly unusual about current weather and climate change – it is generally well within long-term normal patterns. However, the public believes otherwise due to a combination of the way in which people have been taught to view nature, political exploitation of science and the hidden motives of environmental extremists. How did this happen and where are we headed if climate change hysteria continues unchecked?Skewed View of NatureWestern education automatically assumes a ‘uniformitarian’ view of the World, a concept that change is gradual over long periods of time. As a consequence, sudden or extreme changes are considered abnormal by most of society. Yet even a cursory examination of climate records reveals variations in centuries past that are far faster and more severe than anything we are experiencing today.
Humans are naturally selective in what we notice. For instance, selectivity occurs when, after being introduced to someone, you seem to meet them frequently. They were always there, but just not part of your “noticing.” Similarly, the media and the public have started to “notice” extreme weather, glacier melting, sea level rise, etc. more because alarmists tell us that an increase in such events is a precursor to the coming ‘climate crisis’. Since people are on the lookout for such trends they seem to be accelerating even though recent quantitative studies demonstrate they are not (NRSP ‘allied scientist’ Dr. Madhav Khandekar has shown this clearly in his studies for the Alberta government, for example).
Phenomena such as severe weather events are now often presented as unusual or unique: it was the highest or lowest temperature, rainfall, etc., ‘ever.’ What is referred to is the barely century-old instrumental data-based official weather record, an inadequate sample of the Earth’s five billion year history. Long term geologic records indicate much greater and more rapid changes occurred long before civilizations started.
Besides the public’s lack of awareness of our planet’s dynamic climate history, a difficulty in comprehending long time frames has made them susceptible to the propaganda of Al Gore and David Suzuki. Echoing Suzuki’s myth of nature’s “gentle rhythms”, then Canadian environment minister Stéphane Dion told the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development on October 4, 2005, “Climate change is a new phenomenon, a very worrying one, but a new phenomenon.” Dion’s total ignorance of the issue is revealed by simply noting one historical fact – half of North America was under a vast ice sheet just 22,000 years ago.
Political Exploitation of ScienceThe exploitation of climate science for purely political goals is occurring throughout the developed world. For example, politicians inCanada have started to ban inexpensive and convenient technologies such as light bulbs, coal fired electricity generation and used oil heating to “stop climate change.” They can’t show how the alternatives being promoted will actually help the environment – we are expected to simply believe that such sacrifices for the climate will benefit us all, even if real pollution levels rise, food prices increase as agricultural land is converted to biofuels production and millions of birds are cut to pieces by wind turbines. ‘Believe’ is the key word here, not ‘think’.
Even the United States, previously one of the last bastions of common sense in climate wars, is being swept up in this dangerous movement. Besides the rise of ex-Vice President Al Gore to the status of climate change ’superstar’, rhetoric has reached a fever pitch in the U.S. Senate now that an environmental extremist, Senator Barbara Boxer of California, has taken over as Chair of the powerful Committee on Environment and Public Works. Exposing her extraordinary naiveté Boxer maintains, “The American people have the will to slow, stop, and reverse global warming, and they sent a new cast of characters to Washington, and people are really hopeful that this new Congress will be able to do it.” Claiming Gore as her hero, Boxer has even initiated an “online thank you card to Al Gore… — thanking him for everything he has done to stop global warming!” To date, it has attracted over 77,000 endorsers.
Along with Vermont Senator Bernard Sanders and a handful of other Democrats, Boxer is promoting the ludicrously titled “Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act”, also referred to as the” Sanders/Boxer bill, S.309″. The phrase ‘global warming pollution’ is wildly inappropriate but is used repeatedly by Gore, Boxer and others in the hopes that the public will look upon their actions as honest attempts to help the environment by reducing pollution. In reality, the major target of the act, Gore’s crusade and other futile attempts to ’stop climate change’ (e.g. the Kyoto Protocol) is carbon dioxide (CO2), a gas essential to life and in no way a pollutant. Using the sweeping and more threatening sounding term “greenhouse gases” (of which CO2 is only one), environmental alarmists clearly hope the public don’t wake up to the fact that they are really speaking mostly about the benign gas CO2. While many politicians know very well that CO2 emission reduction is pointless and will have little if any impact on climate, some truly don’t know the difference between CO2 and pollution – witness the Boxer-like statement of Canadian Liberal MP Joe Volpe before entering the House of Commons to vote in favour of Canada’s ratification of Kyoto in 2002, “For all intents and purposes, there isn’t anybody that I know that doesn’t want cleaner air and a cleaner environment, so why would you vote no?”
Divorcing themselves entirely from science, political opportunists proceed to claim the moral high ground by appealing to our natural instinct to protect children. Combining such sentiments with religiosity and an adolescent ‘we can do anything’ approach, they end up with assertions so removed from the real world as to be laughable, were the consequences not so serious.
“Just as we lift our children up to feed them, and we hold them close to comfort them, and to protect them from any manner of harm, just as we would never, ever leave them trapped in a locked car in the hot sun, we must protect them from global warming.” Boxer told an April 14, 2007 National Press Club audience. “The ancient religious writings say, “See to it that you do not destroy my world for there is no one to repair it after you.” Today for us, it should be simple. Working Together we can reverse Global Warming! We must lead on this issue, not follow; its our job. I truly believe when we do our job, our country and our families will be better and stronger and the world will be safer.”
Of course we have no chance of “reversing global warming” (and why would we want to? Global cooling is far more dangerous and climate is never constant). Boxer’s rhetoric is simply an appeal to emotion over rational thought. Such an unscientific stance is bad for society and, ultimately, bad for the environment as well, but political spin doctors seem to have concluded that it still attracts many voters. As the public learn more about the issue, this will eventually backfire politically. This is why groups like the Natural Resources Stewardship Project focus so strongly on public education. Once a majority of the public recognize that many of the assertions of Boxer, Gore, Dion and Volpe have no basis in reality, politicians will have little choice but to radically alter their approach – either that or be voted out of office in disgrace.
Besides ignorance and political opportunism, what is driving this movement?The principle target in all this is fossil-fueled based energy sources. Boxer summed it up neatly in her introduction to the June 28 Senate committee hearing, “reducing emissions from powerplants is a fundamental part of any solution to global warming.”
Besides vote-seeking politicians, who else would want to dismantle our fossil fuel-based economy? Some beneficiaries of such an agenda are obvious – alternative energy providers are already reaping financial windfalls from the scare. Nuclear power companies stand to make significant gains as well, provided they are not shut down entirely by environmentalists who oppose them even more fiercely than they do fossil fuel corporations. Many scientists and engineers who support nuclear power for its real benefits understand how today’s climate scare is largely groundless and so do not boost nuclear power as a means to avert a climate crisis.
However, some spokespeople are not so careful. John Ritch, Director General of the London-based World Nuclear Association, uses language even more extreme than Gore and Suzuki. At the October 2006 Pacific Basin Nuclear Conference in Sydney, Australia, Ritch said,
“The fact of this planetary crisis should no longer be a matter of psychological or political denial. For our best Earth-system scientists now warn, with ever increasing certainty, that greenhouse gas emissions, if continued at the present massive scale, will yield consequences that are – quite literally – apocalyptic: increasingly radical temperature changes, a worldwide upsurge in violent weather events, widespread drought, flooding, wildfires, famine, species extinction, rising sea levels, mass migration and epidemic disease that will leave no country untouched.
If these predictions hold true, the combined effect would be the death of not just millions but of billions of people – and the destruction of much of civilization on all continents.”NRSP scientists immediately sent Ritch solid evidence that his assertions were out of touch with modern climate science and expressed the hope that his “remarks are greatly tuned to a more realistic stance if the topic is brought up again in the future.” NRSP continued, “Nuclear power clearly has important benefits to mankind but “stopping global climate catastrophe” is surely not one of them. [We] fear we undermine the whole effort when such extreme arguments are presented.”
Ritch did not respond. Instead NRSP was answered by Jonathan Cobb, the association’s “climate change advisor”, who dismissed our concerns saying, “I can assure you that Mr Ritch pays close attention to the scientific discussion on climate change and he will continue to accurately report the overwhelming scientific consensus.” That a climate change advisor would simply brush aside evidence that his employer had little need of his services is perhaps not surprising. However, that Ritch continues to use precisely the same language as above in his most recent speeches (June 2007) is inexcusable.
The specter of industry-caused “climate chaos” – a ridiculous term used by Canadian Green Party Leader Elizabeth May – ultimately leading to the ‘destruction of the planet’ is a perfect vehicle for people who want to radically alter, or even dismantle, western civilization. Chief among these is Canadian Maurice Strong, head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and until recently, Executive Officer for Reform in the U.N. Secretary General’s office. His comment, “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized nations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” speaks volumes about what is really going on in the minds of some environmentalists.
Industry runs on energy, but you cannot directly attack the energy source because this would alienate the vast majority of the public who benefit from industrialization. The easiest way is to show that the byproducts of industrial activity are causing a planetary collapse. Even though untrue, this claim provides another popular moral high ground for activists. Demanding carbon dioxide reductions provided the vehicle and the United Nations supposedly provided the science for the theory that human addition of CO2 would lead to uncontrolled global warming. The theory quickly became fact, and the scientific method of testing, and accepting or rejecting, was effectively thwarted. Scientists who tried to pursue a normal scientific approach to the issue were quickly branded as pawns of the energy sector.
There are negative side-effects of industrialization of course, but eliminating industry also eliminates its exceptionally beneficial impacts on quality of life. Besides ignoring the natural evolution of the human species, in the extreme, today’s climate alarmism is decidedly anti-human. Human progress is seen, not as a natural evolution, but an unnatural aberration.
The following quotes illustrate the dangerous anti-human nature of cells within the environmental movement, many of whom have adopted today’s climate crusade as their primary raison d’être:
Biologist David Graber (U.S. National Park Service): “They [natural things] have intrinsic value, more value – to me – than another human body, or a billion of them. Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. Somewhere along the line – about a billion years ago – we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth. Until such time as Homo Sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.”
Philosophy Professor Paul Taylor, City University of New York in “Respect for Nature: A Theory of Environmental Ethics”, p. 115): “Given the total, absolute, and final disappearance of Homo Sapiens, not only would the Earth’s community of life continue to exist, but in all probability, its well-being would be enhanced. Our presence, in short, is not needed. And if we were to take the standpoint of that Life Community and give voice to its true interests, the ending of the human epoch on Earth would most likely be greeted with a hearty “Good riddance!”
Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!: “Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.”
Earth First! Journal editor John Daily: “Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.”
An equally extreme case is Peter Singer, a ‘bioethicist’ at Princeton University. He maintains that the suffering of a crippled ant deserves equal consideration to that of a crippled human child. If we could only save one, he says, we should decide by the flip a coin or else we would be “speciests”.
And of course the macabre “ Voluntary Human Extinction Movement ” is apparently alive and well with its “volunteer” class members agreeing that, “All of us should voluntarily refrain from reproducing further, bringing about the eventual extinction of Homo sapiens.” Asserting that “Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth’s biosphere to return to good health”, the group’s motto is “May we live long and die out.”
In the extraordinary book “Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” written 150 years ago by Charles Mackay, is written, “Men … think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
Let’s hope that Mackay’s pessimism is no longer quite so applicable in a world where instantaneous and inexpensive mass communications is a fact of life – certainly society cannot afford to continue to sleep at the switch while eco-activists rapidly come to dominate governments. Environmental extremism is the real threat to society, not the miniscule contribution human-emitted carbon dioxide might make to global climate. It will take time for the general public to finally recognize this but, when they do, expect the whole environmental movement, its good aspects included, to be set back at least a generation. That will be the sad legacy of Al Gore, Barbara Boxer and David Suzuki.
Poser is what I meant. I do that. I write what I mean.
Wanna pose for me some more “Pat”? Hey I’ll make you a star.
You were going to bed right?Posted by: J R
I don’t believe the poster said that.
I’m thinking Pat maybe a woman now too, JR.
It’s those general statements that suggest more than they say . . . like a badly-written romance novel: “Love Me, With Fury” or “Deceive Me With Desire.”
It sounds like it means something, but then one realizes that it can’t mean anything.
Yeah? “nothing”?
He she it said good night. What? I’m too assume Pat was turning into a bat and making rounds?
Sheesh I missed this. Cons are such easy prey.
LOL capn
I amke stars here. I made GMC.
Sorry ’bout that.
Maybe our poser Pat wants to do some different kind of posing?
US President George W Bush has said every country must set its own targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Well what do you know, our president is concerned about the environment after all. To the disappointment of liberals around the nation, our President is concerned. This is a great mark upon our republican party and should be noteworthy in the upcoming election cycle.
The sp on make in my last was intentional. Feeding that anal retentive fire ya know.
Interesting spin, Dildo, I mean Dilbert.
Since Bush and his people has been saying for about six years now that there’s no such thing as Global Warming and they’ve even re-written scientific reports to cut out the references to observed data that supports the warming model.
Should be plenty of laughs watching RushBo explain that he didn’t say what we heard him say for the last twenty years . . . .
Well what do you know, our president is concerned about the environment after all.Posted by: Dilbert
I don’t know if you are joking or not, but Bush has always been concerned. He didn’t like the Kyoto Accord as it was restrictive to US business expansion. At a time when US jobs are going overseas, he saw additional pressures on US business as unfair. Additionally, developing countries, such as China were getting a free ride. It is good he held out.
Interesting spin, Dildo, I mean Dilbert.Posted by: CapnAmerica
I don’t recall calling you names Capn. But I do have a bad memory.
At any rate, the president has taken a stand on global warming and that is significant, don’t you think?
Still waiting for you to bust me in a lie “Pat”
Or hey bust a move. Move your bust. Get out the webcam!
Because just look at all the jobs he saved by rejecting the Kyoto Treaty.
It’s true that our grandkids will curse his name and ours forever, but praise Allah, he made the world safe for big coal and oil companies.
“Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.”
Posted by: Palm Trees for Sale | September 28, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Why “few listen” to Dr. Ball, except for the VERY gullible, like “Palm Trees”.
The University of Winnipeg did not have a “climatology” department when Ball was there.
‘Ball Bails on Johnson Lawsuit’14 Jun 07http://www.desmogblog.com/ball-bails-on-johnson-lawsuit
“But Calgary Herald satisfied itself as to the accuracy of Dan Johnson’s letter, and rose in defence. In a Statement of Defence filed with the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench, the Herald dismissed Ball’s “credibility and credentials as an expert on the issue of global warming,” saying: “The Plantiff (Dr. Ball) is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist.”
In the face of this rebuff, and of the earlier Statement of Defence filed by Dan Johnson, Ball discontinued his lawsuit.”
See also,http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball
Sorry, couldn’t resist, Dild . . . Dilbert.
OUCH!
The man is a LIAAH.
Nicely done, Cosmos.
Now watch, three months from now, some reich-winger will post the same information from the same discredited source.
They just don’t care. Winning is everything.
It wasn’t just Bush who refused:
What Is US history with the Kyoto Protocol? : Vice President Al Gore was a main participant in putting the Kyoto Protocol together in 1997. President Bill Clinton signed the agreement in 1997, but the US Senate refused to ratify it, citing potential damage to the US economy required by compliance. The Senate also balked at the agreement because it excluded certain developing countries, including India and China, from having to comply with new emissions standards.
Congress also saw the problem. You can’t have it both ways – you can’t cry about American jobs going overseas, and then say you want to protect the environment. Any changes in emissions would have resulted in job cuts at home. The difference today is Bush is drawing China into the fold, and that great and growing economic engine will now have to play too. Made in China bother anyone?
‘Video: thank you for being a friend Mr. President’http://www.desmogblog.com/video-thank-you-for-being-a-friend-mr-president
Too Much Hot AirGlobal warming is agitating our minds, particularly after the report of the Inter- governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Four issues are under debate. Is the earth warming in an unprecedented manner, hitherto never seen in history? Are industrialisation and higher lifestyles responsible for this warming? Which countries and regions are the highest emitters of global greenhouse gases? And, can massive technological breakthroughs curtail future emissions to acceptable levels?
Instead of having a dispassionate debate, global warming has suddenly taken on an alarmist hue. Dissenting views are looked upon with suspicion or disdain. Doomsday ayatollahs are nothing new to human history.
In 1798, Thomas Malthus predicted that population will outrun food supply, bringing famine, pestilence and death to a large proportion of the human civilisation.
History proved Malthus wrong because he failed to include the ingenuity of the ultimate resource, the human mind. Similarly, top scientists and social leaders met in Rome in the late 60s and formed the Club of Rome. Their sponsored study by Dennis Meadows, Limits to Growth, predicted that economic growth will eat up our natural resources rapidly and create catastrophic conditions. It never happened and Club of Rome itself has long disowned Meadows’ work.
We must not fall prey to extremist positions. A large number of scientists disagree with the view that a climate catastrophe is looming and that economic development and industrialisation are the cause of it.
In a letter to the Canadian prime minister, 60 of the world’s leading climate scientists wrote, “Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise’”. Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of the Harvard- Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics concluded that the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climate period.
A period of extreme climate was the mediaeval warming period between 800-1300 BCE; the Little Ice Age of 1300-1900 BCE occurred worldwide, much before industrial emission of greenhouse gases. Using data from NOAA and Goddard Space Flight Centre, WSI-Intellicase Meteorologists conclude that the “coverage of ice in the Arctic has been virtually unchanged since 1979, while ice in the Antarctic regions has actually increased”. According to Richard S Lindzen, Alfred P Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT, “We don’t have any evidence that global warming is a serious problem”.
Against the so-called ’scientific consensus’ drawn from Naomi Oreskes’s study of 928 articles, all of which suggest that greenhouse gas pollution has caused most of the warming of the last 50 years, Benny Peiser, who drew on 12,000 articles on climate change, concluded that the vast majority of abstracts do not even mention human activity as a cause of climate change.
Of course, we need to know who emits maximum of harmful carbons into the atmosphere. The US topped the list in 1999 with 5.60 tonnes of emission per person, Russia followed with 2.72, EU 2.40, Japan 2.40, China 0.53 and India close to 0.25 tonnes per person. The developed world has to be aggressive in controlling carbon emission, while we too must do our bit for our own sake.
The IPCC’s own Working Group III Report lists a range of greenhouse gas mitigation technologies which are commercially available today, and more would fructify by 2030. Such technological breakthroughs in energy supply include fuel switching from coal to gas, nuclear power, hydropower, solar, wind, geothermal and bioenergy. By 2030, we would have commercialised tidal and wave energy too, says IPCC.
In transport, hybrid vehicles, cleaner diesel vehicles and biofuels are already in use. We are aware that coal will be available for 200-450 years, and here the integrated gasification combined cycle (IGCC) is so relevant. IGCC is used in two plants in the US, where carbon dioxide is extracted out of the coal and sequestered deep into the ground while hydrogen gas and steam powers the turbines to produce electricity.
India, with its huge coal reserves, can benefit from IGCC or from other alternatives, including underground coal gasification. We need a strong technology partnership with the West. The M2M (methane to market) partnership between FICCI and Environmental Protection Agency of the US is a humble example of emerging possibilities.
Imagine the impact of large-scale adoption of solar thermal power plants, the first of which goes on stream in Spain (PS10) in Seville by the year end. It will produce 11 megawatts, powering 6,000 homes and preventing 18,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emission. Developing countries along the equator, which are expected to face the brunt of global warming, could become global leaders in energy production with a solar energy breakthrough.
It is little known that India has at least 31 per cent of world’s thorium (RAR category). Given the keen interest of many countries, including India, in fast-breeder reactors using thorium, India could become a supplier of nuclear fuel rather than a recipient. Switching significantly to nuclear power with our own fuel source would put us in the big league on clean power production.
Let us not be swept away by the alarmists in the global warming debate. We must take a cool and hard look at global technology partnerships and engineer tectonic shifts to beat the Malthusian and Club of Rome syndrome.
We could be on the cutting edge of alternative energy technology if Bush and Repukes spent one-ten thousandth of the 5 billion A WEEK we throw down the rat hole of Iraq, heigh ho . . .
That’s where the jobs are. To hell with making toys.
‘Video: thank you for being a friend Mr. President’http://www.desmogblog.com/video-thank-you-for-being-a-friend-mr-president
Posted by: cosmos |
Cute post, but inaccurate. Will we see the same of Hillary with all her campaign donors next year? At any rate, there were sound reasons both the congress and the president voted not to join the kyoto accords.
Holding out for the best deal for our workers was important for American jobs. Without a level playing field, any agreement was not going to work.
We could be on the cutting edge of alternative energy technology
If it was out there, business would have found a way to exploit it. Unless of course, you believe the dastardly big oil industry prevented any research.
Things that make you go, hmmm . . .
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/20060.html
Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn., and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States.
The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery.
The Mexican attorney general’s office said the blue and white Gulfstream II crashed on Monday in a remote jungle area on the Yucatan Peninsula. Authorities seized 132 bags of cocaine weighing four tons. Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however.
“The difference today is Bush is drawing China into the fold, and that great and growing economic engine will now have to play too. Made in China bother anyone?”
Posted by: Pat Herron | September 29, 2007 at 12:02 AM
China disagrees with Bush’s voluntary approach.
‘Europeans angry after Bush climate speech ‘charade’· US isolated as China and India refuse to back policy’http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/29/usnews.climatechange
“One of those present said even CHINA and India, two of the biggest polluters, accepted that the voluntary approach proposed by the US was UNTENABLE and favoured binding measures, even though they disagreed with the Europeans over how this would be achieved.”
Global warming has been getting a bad rap lately. But what’s so terrible about having more oceans, no winters, and year-round sun tans? Before you write off the coming climate change, check out 24reasons why there’s nothing like a nice warm globe.
1. Minnesota can change its license plate slogan from “Shit hole” to “The State with Two Coasts.”
2. Kansas will finally get what it deserves: a hurricane.
3. Saying “I hate winter” will be like saying “I hate Father’s Day”, cause it only lasts 24 hours.
4. No more penguins.
5. The hotter it is, the colder beer’ll taste.
6. “Sunny Alaska” will replace “Burny Florida” as the new winter vacation destination.
7. It will take a lot less time to boil water.
8. You’ll finally get some use out of that ark you got for Christmas.
9. Hot Tubs will be replaced with Ice Tubs—which will mean lots and lots of hard nips.
10. Everyone will be so tan that we’ll all look like Arabs. And then there won’t be any more racism.
11. One word: Waterworld.
12. Another great excuse to hang out in your underwear 24/7/365.
13. Mexicans will start heading south instead of north.
14. You’ll be able have engine block eggs without starting your engine.
15. The Olympic torch will never go out.
16. Due to the lack of ice, hockey will finally become the the sport it was meant to be: a bunch of guys hitting each other with sticks under water.
17. There’s no forest fires in the ocean.
18. The phrase “hot as hell” will no longer be hyperbole.
19. You’ll be able to roast your nuts without an open fire.
20. Since they’re called the “Boys of Summer”, baseball will be played year round.
21. You’ll be able to really put your Degree deodorant to the test, just like in the commercial.
22. It’ll be as hot as the south everywhere, so naturally, everyone will become as funny as Jeff Foxworthy and Larry The Cable guy. We’ll laugh ourselves into world peace.
23. You’ll be able to give hot rock massages to ladies you just met in the park.
24. If the entire world floods and we’re forced to live underwater, maybe we’ll meet Poseidon.
…but the US Senate refused to ratify it, citing potential damage to the US economy required by compliance….
It’s all about protecting Corporations. Heaven help us it they cared more about the pollution they are pouring into the air then the all mighty dollar. I also wonder how much has been added to the cost of healthcare because of peoples respiratory problems.
….4 No more penguins…
I don’t want to live if there are no more penguins.
If it was out there, business would have found a way to exploit it. Unless of course, you believe the dastardly big oil industry prevented any research.
Posted by: Dilbert
TOTAL B*LLSH*T, Dilbert.
Big oil killed the electric car in ’90’s. They made a movie about it.
GM started a little electric car program just to go through the motions of making California happy . . . they wanted the electric car to fail, and, doggone it, the damn thing sold like hotcakes.
They eventually recalled all the cars and crushed them just to make sure.
The market is there. The technology is there. Big business is making sure we don’t get what we want because they want to maintain the status quo at all costs.
BTW, where do you think all those new wind turbines are coming from? F***ing NORWAY!
It’s all about protecting Corporations.
It’s about jobs secret writer. President Bush was protecting American jobs.
I have read posts by liberals on this blog about how bad it is that US jobs are now going to China.
Here was someone sticking up for those American workers. But libs gotta drag him down.
Next up? HILLARY!!!
Can’t wait.
This guy just doesn’t give up.
Ted Stevens’ $84 million ‘ferry to nowhere.’
“Following on the heels of Senator Ted Stevens’ failed ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ project is an $84 million ferry to allow 40 people to save a 2-hour plus drive.” The USA Today writes that Stevens is pushing for a high-speed ferry that will connect Anchorage to Port MacKenzie, following “the same route as one of the two ‘bridges to nowhere.’”
BTW, where do you think all those new wind turbines are coming from? F***ing NORWAY!
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Well they sure as hell are not coming from Kansas. Apparently it would clog up our view space. Apparently, there is a lot of hot air in Kansas.
Posted by: My Opinion
Pssst. The bridges to nowhere were axed by the State of Alaska some time ago.
Oops, “Bikini Chain Gang” is on SkiniMax.
Gotta go . . .
PRESIDENT BUSH’S AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Abortion & Traditional Values1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton’s move to strike Reagan’s anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton’s policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.
Budget, Taxes & Economy1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton’s “ergonomic” rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe’s ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA’s from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.
Character & Conduct as President1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:
Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: “War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing.”
On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: “I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.” The crowd roared with cheers and chants of “USA! USA! USA!” Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.
Education & Employment Training1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced “Jobs for the 21st Century,” a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachersEnvironment & Energy1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton’s CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.
Defense & Foreign Policy1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime’s senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden’s second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD’s without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists’ funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian “Roadmap to Peace,” along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.
Globalization & Internationalism1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren’t interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: “The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?” We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, “America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country.”
Government Reform1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.
Health1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:
A 10-year privatization option.
Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.
More health care choices: As President Bush stated, “…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What’s good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.
New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you’ll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.
Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush’s leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create “one face at the border.” This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America’s ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.
Judiciary & Tort Reform1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA’s unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.
Politics1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court’s Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual’s wishes.
Second Amendment1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined “collective” right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.
Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism1. Endorses and promotes “The Responsibility Era.” President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, “In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you’ve got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you’re responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you’re responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you’re responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you’re responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself.”
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration’s belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court’s Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6.Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year’s worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, “No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity.” As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles
Ah, okay, Dilbert.
Sorry.
I didn’t know you were “special.”
Well is JR still going to shoot that dog, or did he finally realize it wasn’t the dog to blame?
Had to work today, tired now and ready for a beer. But thought I’d check back before having one. It will be bed time right after that. Old age I guess.
Anyway, I hope J R saw the light and realized there are other ways of dealing with dangerous dogs than trying an ineffective ban on a specific breed.
Hey Big Dog
When J R walked by did you experience the nauseating, noisome, objectionable, obnoxious, odious, off-putting, pig, pugnacious, repellent, vile and revolting smell of smegma ?
You will not coerce me into any kind of childish name-calling.
Chas.
YOU BIGOTED LIAR!!! What kind of nuts you got Golf nut??? Golf Balls???Posted by: Chas. | August 25, 2007 at 10:37 PM
YOU ARE A SHAMELESS BIGOT!! AND YOU ARE A BLATANT LIAR, YOU ARE BOTH GOOD CANDIDATES FOR THE HITLER GOON SQUAD!!! THATS ALL YOU ARE GOOD FOR!! Posted by: Chas. | August 25, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Now the idiotPosted by: Chas. | August 25, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Be gone, Devils!!!Posted by: Chas. | August 25, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Holy One, Let my prayers rise before you as incense… And may the Demons of the WE Blog be cast down to the bottom of the Pit!!Posted by: Chas. | August 26, 2007 at 12:19 AM
BTW Kansas… Ahole… IPosted by: Chas. | August 26, 2007 at 12:22 AM
What a bunch of Cripps and losersPosted by: Chas. | August 26, 2007 at 12:30 AM
I guess it’s time for my beer and bed. Too little content to stick around here tonight.
Did Pat just imply that 2 + 2 /= 4??
“In a letter to the Canadian prime minister, 60 of the world’s leading climate scientists wrote,…”
Posted by: I will get my Palm Trees for Sale | September 29, 2007 at 12:05 AM
Does Palm Trees STUPIDLY believe that these people are among the “world’s leading climate scientists”?
‘Who are the sixty?’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1272
Does Palm Trees STUPIDLY believe that Tom Harris is a very credible source re climate change?
Type “tom harris” in the search box at DeSmogBlog.
Well, time for bed… So…
Good Night, Good Luck; and God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
Sock Puppet nightly ballet!!
Cosmos, thats the wrong “Palm Trees” that one is a sock puppet Troll!!
Chas,
IIRC, Palm Trees posted that same copy/paste on another thread(s)… and also has used different “Palm Tree” nics.
“Earlier poser”
Oh THAT is a hoot.
Honey? I’m open minded. I’m damned forgiving. If you have somthing you MEAN to say why play at it here? Just shoot me an email.
Dilbert, you must have had constipation in your typing fingers to sqeeze off a post that long.
First day back and I busted somebody.
Or found somebody.
Geez Pat, that last rant. What are you one of my old girlfriends?
JR–
I’m guessing that Pat is a woman. No self-respecting man when asked their gender says, “I’m not telling.”
Of course, s-he may be a self-loathing man which would explain why s-he is a CONservative. “Daddy, tell me what to think–tell me what’s wrong and right. And spank me hard, please, when I fail.”
Kansas–
For the record, I never promised you anything.
Feel free to do a bone-dig and post where I made some kind of a promise.
The burden of proof is on you for having made the claim.
Yeah I’m pretty sure Pat is a gal
Capn.
I’m also a little concerned that she’s falling in love with me. Look at that screed up there decrying all my supposed masculine misbehaviors.
Hi
G’night
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