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- By Phillip Brownlee
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sugar,
This probably best describes who/what Kansas is.
“I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :) ”
Posted by: Kansas | September 26, 2007 at 01:16 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-925.html#comment-84074244
Evidently cosmos is overly obsessed for me as he is quite concerned what I write and just can’t help himself to make comments that no one cares about but him.
SORT AND DEPORT !!!
ABC News’ Ann Compton and Jennifer Duck report: Never before has the White House released a draft version of the President’s speech to the annual United Nations General Assembly.
But this year, a glimpse of how the President sees his speeches was accidentally placed on the UN website along with the speechwriters’ cell phone numbers.
Perino said it was “not unusual” to include phonetic spellings for various countries in the speech though when asked if the president had a hard time pronouncing some of those country names Perino declined comment saying,
“I think that’s an offensive question.”
is this the new tony snow?she gets offended easily doesn’t she.
when bush/rove described mccain as a bad pow, did mccain think that was offensive?
And STILL Mr. Kansas cannot prove his first false allegation that Sugar is a lib poster, using a fake nic.
And he cannot prove his second false allegation that cosmos is sugar. And still he will not admit that he cannot prove either false allegation to be true.
And his credibililty keeps getting lower and lower. At this rate, Mr. Kansas will have proven himself to have NO credibility.
The Blog has almost returned to its rightful place.
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 02:49 AM
Come in Sock Puppet Command! Fearless Leader Kansas took a direct hit from poster Sugar! Gather the troops!
I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.
cosmos is all talk – no action.
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 09:08 PM
Ok big mouth. Back that up. Prove it.
I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.
cosmos is all talk – no action.
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 09:08 PM
Ok big mouth. Back that up. Prove it.
Has Couric kissed her career good-bye?
http://www.examiner.com/blogs/Yeas_and_Nays/2007/9/26/Couric-weighs-in-on-Iraq-Rather
Excerpt:
Her take on the news
Speaking at the National Press Club Tuesday evening, CBS “Evening News” anchor Katie Couric pulled back the curtain on her personal views of both the war in Iraq and former “Evening News” anchor Dan Rather.
“Everyone in this room would agree that people in this country were misled in terms of the rationale of this war,” said Couric, adding that it is “pretty much accepted” that the war in Iraq was a mistake.
“I’ve never understood why [invading Iraq] was so high on the administration’s agenda when terrorism was going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan and that [Iraq] had no true connection with al Qaeda.”…………
OH! His Trollyness our leader Kansas has taken a double hit by the evil XXX! Calling all sock puppets! Come in Sock Puppet Comand! We must defend our master!
“”"”This probably best describes who/what Kansas is.
“I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :) “”"”
The very word Kansas can have many meannings. It can refer to the state itself. But it can also refer to 2 cities, a brand of marijuana that is domestically grown or a band that was popular in the 1970s (don’t know if they were from Kansas).
“I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.”
Posted by whatever.
XXX, I think what he meant to say was he has a lower IQ and can prove it, which is kind of a redundant statement when you think about it.
I love Denny’s breakfast menu
Kansas: you like rancid grease?
No, Kansas IS rancid grease.
On a trip to Great Britain while he was President of theUnited States, Bill Clinton had a meeting with Queen
Elizabeth. During that meeting he asked her, “How doesone manage to run a country so smoothly?”"That’s easy,” the Queen replied, “You surround yourselfwith intelligent ministers and advisors.”"But how can I tell whether they are intelligent or not?”
asked Bill.”You ask them a riddle,” she replied, and with that she
pressed a button and said, “Would you please send TonyBlair in?”When Blair arrived, the Queen said, “I have a riddle for
you to answer for me. Your parents had a child and it
as not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was
this child?”Blair replied, “That’s easy. The child was me.”"Very good,” said the Queen. “You may go now.”Sizing up his wife’s chances in her presidential bid, and
thinking back on that meeting, Bill Clinton spoke to Hillary.
He said to her, “I have a riddle for you, and the answer isvery important. Your parents had a child and it was notyour sister and it was not your brother. Who was that child?”Hillary replied, “Yes, it is clearly very important that we
determine the answer. Can I deliberate on this for awhile?”"Yes,” said Bill, “I’ll give you four hours to come up with the
answer.”So Hillary called a meeting of her campaign team, from top tobottom, and asked them the riddle. But after much discussionand many suggestions, none of them had a satisfactory answer.She was quite upset, not knowing what she would tell herhusband, the former President.As Hillary was leaving her meeting she ran into her most
formable challenger to her presidential nomination, Barack
Obama. So she said, “Mr. Obama, can you answer this riddlefor me? Your parents had a child and it was not your sister
and it was not your brother. Who was the child?”"That’s seems pretty easy,” said Obama, “I think the child
would be me.”"Oh thank you,” said Hillary. “You may just have ensured mynomination for the democratic candidate for the Presidencyof the United States!”So Hillary went back to Bill and said, “I think I know the
answer to your riddle. The child was Barack Obama!”"No, you Dummy!” shouted Bill, “The child was Tony Blair!”- – - – - – -The bottom line… guess where we’re headed if the two of
them would again run the country!
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 02:49 AM
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 03:14 AM
I guess Sugar didn’t get enough attention posting it the first time, so needs reassurance with the second.
What’s the matter Sugar, didn’t your mother hold you enough when you were a baby?
And so the supporters of the Troll, Kansas, come out their sock drawer, and start the morning parade. And the Blog doesnt like it one bit.
Kansas has STILL not been able to prove his allegation from late last night that cosmos is sugar, or that sugar is a regular lib poster hiding behind the nic, Sugar.
Since Kansas cannot prove those false allegations, he has once again called on the Sock Puppets to step up to the plate (perhaps the plate filled with rancid grease from Denny’s).
This probably best describes who/what Kansas is.
“I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :)”
Posted by: Kansas | September 26, 2007 at 01:16 AM
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Kansas hereby shows what total lack of credibility He/She/It has, by stating he doesnt have to prove anything, and yet, He/She/It is constantly demanding proof of things from the rest of the Blog.
Bloggers: Demand that Kansas provide proof of his many false accusations and allegations, before providing Kansas PROOF of anything. This is how the Blog can be returned to normal.
Please note that Kansas uses the little “:)” to pretend that he is making a joke. But that is merely a misdirected “:)”
Dear Republican racists,
Bob Herbert’s got your number.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/opinion/25herbert.html?_r=1&n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Bob%20Herbert&oref=slogin
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The Ugly Side of the G.O.P.
By BOB HERBERT
I applaud the thousands of people, many of them poor, who traveled from around the country to protest in Jena, La., last week. But what I’d really like to see is a million angry protesters marching on the headquarters of the National Republican Party in Washington.
Enough is enough. Last week the Republicans showed once again just how anti-black their party really is.
The G.O.P. has spent the last 40 years insulting, disenfranchising and otherwise stomping on the interests of black Americans. Last week, the residents of Washington, D.C., with its majority black population, came remarkably close to realizing a goal they have sought for decades — a voting member of Congress to represent them.
A majority in Congress favored the move, and the House had already approved it. But the Republican minority in the Senate — with the enthusiastic support of President Bush — rose up on Tuesday and said: “No way, baby.”
At least 57 senators favored the bill, a solid majority. But the Republicans prevented a key motion on the measure from receiving the 60 votes necessary to move it forward in the Senate. The bill died.
At the same time that the Republicans were killing Congressional representation for D.C. residents, the major G.O.P. candidates for president were offering a collective slap in the face to black voters nationally by refusing to participate in a long-scheduled, nationally televised debate focusing on issues important to minorities.
The radio and television personality Tavis Smiley worked for a year to have a pair of these debates televised on PBS, one for the Democratic candidates and the other for the Republicans. The Democratic debate was held in June, and all the major candidates participated.
The Republican debate is scheduled for Thursday. But Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson have all told Mr. Smiley: “No way, baby.”
They won’t be there. They can’t be bothered debating issues that might be of interest to black Americans. After all, they’re Republicans.
This is the party of the Southern strategy — the party that ran, like panting dogs, after the votes of segregationist whites who were repelled by the very idea of giving equal treatment to blacks. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. (Willie Horton) Bush, George W. (Compassionate Conservative) Bush — they all ran with that lousy pack.
Dr. Carolyn Goodman, a woman I was privileged to call a friend, died last month at the age of 91. She was the mother of Andrew Goodman, one of the three young civil rights activists shot to death by rabid racists near Philadelphia, Miss., in 1964.
Dr. Goodman, one of the most decent people I have ever known, carried the ache of that loss with her every day of her life.
In one of the vilest moves in modern presidential politics, Ronald Reagan, the ultimate hero of this latter-day Republican Party, went out of his way to kick off his general election campaign in 1980 in that very same Philadelphia, Miss. He was not there to send the message that he stood solidly for the values of Andrew Goodman. He was there to assure the bigots that he was with them.
“I believe in states’ rights,” said Mr. Reagan. The crowd roared.
In 1981, during the first year of Mr. Reagan’s presidency, the late Lee Atwater gave an interview to a political science professor at Case Western Reserve University, explaining the evolution of the Southern strategy:
“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger,’ ” said Atwater. “By 1968, you can’t say ‘nigger’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”
In 1991, the first President Bush poked a finger in the eye of black America by selecting the egregious Clarence Thomas for the seat on the Supreme Court that had been held by the revered Thurgood Marshall. The fact that there is a rigid quota on the court, permitting one black and one black only to serve at a time, is itself racist.
Mr. Bush seemed to be saying, “All right, you want your black on the court? Boy, have I got one for you.”
Republicans improperly threw black voters off the rolls in Florida in the contested presidential election of 2000, and sent Florida state troopers into the homes of black voters to intimidate them in 2004.
Blacks have been remarkably quiet about this sustained mistreatment by the Republican Party, which says a great deal about the quality of black leadership in the U.S. It’s time for that passive, masochistic posture to end.”
I love this place. I enjoy to see what people can agree and argue about. In a way it can be quite funny at times. Keep up the hard work of posting your opinions. They will make someone’s day!
And Remember-
JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ALWAYS!!!
Except Jesus is dead.
Wow Door King, you are observant!A real genius at work. But it doesn’t take much to be a bar bouncer anyway.
I have noted early today that a number of Talk Radio shows are beginning to call for armed insurrection against illegal immigration, and Democrats, who they are now calling Communists.
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie: Go Wolverines! From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
I have noted early today that a number of Talk Radio shows are beginning to call for armed insurrection against illegal immigration, and Democrats, who they are now calling Communists.
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie: Go Wolverines! From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
I have noted early today that a number of Talk Radio shows are beginning to call for armed insurrection against illegal immigration, and Democrats, who they are now calling Communists.
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie: Go Wolverines! From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
I have noted early today that a number of Talk Radio shows are beginning to call for armed insurrection against illegal immigration, and Democrats, who they are now calling Communists.
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie: Go Wolverines! From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
I have noted early today that a number of Talk Radio shows are beginning to call for armed insurrection against illegal immigration, and Democrats, who they are now calling Communists.
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie: Go Wolverines! From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
Well Sugar, I mean Cosmos, you may want to buy all the guns you can before Hillary takes office. She will ban automatic weapons, like her husband. There is basis in fact.
Would you like to prove your allegation, YYY? O do you just want to fill Blog space with drivel?
Would you like to prove your allegation, YYY? O do you just want to fill Blog space with drivel?
Posted by: sugar
Oh god no, I don’t want to do that – you have done enough of that with Kansas to fill two blog pages!
Mr. Kansas already failed to prove that allegation. Do you think you can do so, YYY? If you cannot, the shut up.
…. oh my…. another groundhog day on the blog ……………
They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie:
Go Wolverines!
From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 09:09 AM
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I heard that too, sugar…. I cant believe that there are actually people wanting to take up weapons against our own government… This is simply seditionist behavior on the part of these Ultra Right Wing Talk Shows!! And not only that, they try to do it with a flair of comedy!!
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/Llego/momento/deshacerse/Sadam/elpepunac/20070926elpepinac_1/Tes
“El Pais,” the “New York Times” of Spain has published a transcript of a conversation with Presidente Bush and Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar which took place on El Presidente’s ranch in Crawford, Texas on February 22, 2003.
Bush said that he planned to invade Iraq in March “if there was a United Nations Security Council resolution or not….We have to get rid of Saddam. We will be in Baghdad at the end of March.”
Remember, this was at the same time that Presidente Liar was saying to Congress and the US public that he hadn’t made up his mind about invading Iraq and that he was going to let the inspectors “do their jobs” etc.
LIAR.LIAR.G-Damned LIAR.
Well, CapN, you know what the idiot said about the Constitution… just a G-D piece of paper… Guess we can only expect that kind of pompous behavior from one related in ancestry to kings…
BTW, Good Morning!! I noted yesterday or day before, that somebody on the Blog outed your Name… I thought that was in bad taste!
“I cant believe that there are actually people wanting to take up weapons against our own government… ”
And they are afraid of GAYS?
No wonder some folks wanting “common sense” regulation get their words twisted by the gop into “ban all guns”.
Fear and smear. The gop fingerprints.
It’s sort of scary, KFG… I dont know quite what to make of it… The idiots are calling for an armed revolution…
Hehe, that’s why they do it, Chas.
That’s why they do it . . .
Oh, and they do seem to live in constant fear of GAYS…. Back later… got to run errands!!
I figured that CapN… there should be a way to stop such things… but, alas, it seems nothing can be done…
BTW, Good Morning!! I noted yesterday or day before, that somebody on the Blog outed your Name… I thought that was in bad taste!
Posted by: Chas.
People deserve to know the truth about Brad. No bad taste at all. Unwise people post real names or shortened names on the internet. Unwise people brag about how they are posting from work.
Unwise people threaten others on a public forum.
Hey, wing nuts–
How do you like the proof positive that your boy Bush LIED to you and everybody else in the country.
From now on, I will refer to him as the Liar-in-Chief. He has earned it.
Unwise people threaten others on a public forum.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
I not threaten anyone and you true in the statement unwise people do threaten on public fora. Show me how I threaten any people on this forum. Truth is no threat, it is truth. KS makes point about no way around trace. Eagle wants to trace your IP address bad enough, they find you and no anonymous programs or IP hiding can stop them. A coworker believed he could stop tracing with his illegal music downloads until RIAA busted him. He used every trick in the book and a few not in the book and he was still caught.
“Eagle wants to trace your IP address bad enough, they find you and no anonymous programs or IP hiding can stop them.”
OH MY GAWD, Phillip Brownlee is after me! HALLLLP! HALLLLLP!
Rage-
In the words of someone else–”Now that’s funny, I don;t care who you are!”
Far from demonstrating their faith, fundamentalists’ demonstrate their deep-seated fear that what they profess might not be the truth.
It’s true regardless if you’re a fundamentalist Muslim, an orthodox Jew, or a twice-born-roll-on-the-floor-yellin’-thank-yuh-Je-HEEEEE-Zus fundamentalist “Christian.”
If they really believed in the omnipotence and omniscience of their “all powerful” god, heretics wouldn’t matter a whit. If your “God” is everything you claim to believe “He” is, some piddling little non-believer isn’t worth bothering with.
“Don’t belive in Me?” God would say, “you’ll get yours.”
But “God” apparently isn’t good enough for fundamentalists. No, *they* have to attack non-believers because their “God” somehow doesn’t know better.
I am a lapsed agnostic; I’m not sure what it is I don’t believe in.
But the fundies — of every stripe — appear to me to be the greatest threat imaginable to the human condition. Because when mere human beings, under the guise of being devout, start claiming that *they* speak for “God,” they’re admitting that their “God” somehow doesn’t have what it takes to do it right.
Go ahead and believe in “God” or “Allah” or Joseph Smith or whomever strikes your fancy. If whatever god story cooks for you, solid. Take your belief and live your life and sin no more.
If your “god” is all you fundies proclaim “He” is, “He” will take care of it. That’s His job.
“OH MY GAWD, Phillip Brownlee is after me! HALLLLP! HALLLLLP!”
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!
Looks like the economic wizards are putting the chances for another bush recession at 50 percent, what does that make, his third?
A QUESTION FOR HILLARY:
You base your healthcare proposal on the need to cover 47 million “uninsured Americans.” Since about a third of them are illegal immigrants and another third are eligible for Medicaid right now and just don’t apply for it, aren’t you overstating the problem?
(As a follow-up to No. 5) In 2005 you co-sponsored legislation to provide health insurance to the children of illegal immigrants who have lived in this country for five years. In other words, their children would get subsidized healthcare under the State Children’s Health Insurance Program as a reward for dodging the cops for five years. Do you still support that proposal?
“They are telling people to get their guns ready, and using a rally cry from an old movie:
Go Wolverines!
From the old movie, “Red Dawn”.
Will you Democrats fight for what you believe? Will you fight for your rights and your freedom?
As I’ve pointed out before, the republicans have all of the guns.
As I’ve pointed out before, the republicans have all of the guns.
Posted by: XXX | September 26, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Except for Senator Webb – he’s packin’
They can’t run from bush or hide.Bush will only be useful as a big corporation donation getter, and for the 28%’ers.What to do with Bush on the 2008 campaign trail? By Steve Holland
Wed Sep 26, 7:16 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – His poll numbers are in the doldrums, he is presiding over an unpopular war and he is promising to campaign vigorously for Republicans in next year’s elections.
ADVERTISEMENTBut will Republicans want President George W. Bush’s support on the campaign trail?
The answer is yes in many cases, but a certain amount of caution will be in order, according to Republican strategists and political experts.
Bush is seen as a prodigious fund-raiser who will be able to bring in millions of dollars for the fight against the Democrats.
But with many Americans up in arms about the Iraq war and looking for change, Bush’s public appearances may be limited to targeted Republican areas where he can rally the party’s base.
“Bush will have a large role, after there’s a nominee, to help unite the party,” said Republican strategist Scott Reed. “And he will still be a strong fund-raising draw with segments of the party. His real strength will be in helping turn out the hard-core base of the party.”
The key Republican candidates for president, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson support Bush’s current strategy in Iraq but tend not to mention his name a lot in their stump speeches.
Indeed, at a Republican conference at Mackinac Island, Michigan, last weekend the candidates largely avoided talk of Bush while frequently mentioning conservative Republican hero Ronald Reagan.
“Let’s face it, you’ve basically got a president who is radioactive,” said Norman Ornstein, a political expert at the American Enterprise Institute. “I’m sure he’ll be active, as he said, on the campaign trail. But frankly he’s not going to be very visible on it.”
If this election has any resemblance to the past, Bush’s role will be limited, because the Republican candidate in the November 2008 election will need to escape the shadow of the president.
“I think the instruction will have to come from who the nominee ultimately is,” said presidential scholar Stephen Hess of George Washington University.
SUPPORTING ROLE
Former Bush press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush recognizes the need to play a supportive role because the Republican nominee “is going to have to define himself on his own terms.”
Charlie Black, a Republican strategist advising McCain’s campaign, said Bush will likely help state parties raise money for get-out-the-vote efforts.
He said the real question will be how to use Bush after Republicans nominate their candidate next September.
“That’ll just depend on what the political circumstances are then. With any president, you have to see what his popularity is, which issues he’s popular on and which issues he’s not. Some states are better than others for him,” Black said.
Ron Kaufman, a senior adviser to Romney’s campaign, said Bush absolutely will be needed on the campaign trail.
“Today’s polling numbers mean nothing to tomorrow’s polling numbers. I am absolutely convinced the president will be a more popular president than he is today. And he’s always strong among the base,” Kaufman said.
A year ago, when Bush was campaigning for Republicans in mid-term elections, he argued strenuously for sticking with the Iraq war, a strategy that backfired when Democrats ousted Republicans from control of the U.S. Congress.
Democrats would not mind playing that movie again.
“The guy’s numbers are at Nixonian levels,” said Democratic strategist Chris Lehane, referring to Watergate-tarred former President Richard Nixon. “Whether you do or do not do events that are public, I think any connection to him by the Republican Party is a major problem in the general election.”
Having not listened to talk radio, I’ve not heard any calls for armed resistance, citing Red Dawn or anything else. If said calls are being spread, they are at best ridiculous and irresponsible , and at worst, treasonous.
Shut the hell up. At this point, such a call is asinine. Even should Hillary! be elected, such calls are asinine, under nearly any circumstances I can imagine.
As Rage put it yesterday, there are indeed four boxes of democracy: Soap, Ballot, Jury, and Ammo. But NEVER open the fourth until the others are exhausted. As long as we have a functioning 1st amendment (as evidenced by this blog), as long as the election process is in operation (yes, with its faults), as long as the courts operate (again, not perfect, but beats summary execution), ANY talk of armed insurrection is, again, ridiculous and irresponsible at best, treasonous at worst.
Shut the hell up.
We may get there, someday, though I pray not. But we’re nowhere near there now. Leave the “sky is falling” hysteria to others. Shut up.
As I’ve pointed out before, the republicans have all of the guns.
Posted by: XXX | September 26, 2007 at 11:28 AM
You know that’s not true XXX.
And that’s why I’m somewhat surprised that the Top 3 Democratic candidates for President oppose the individual right to bear arms.
Even if you are NOT a one issue voter, this is a big issue.
GMC70, at some point, do the gun banners not need to know what the outcome will be if they get their gun ban laws passed?
They pass their incremental laws using their lofty arguments of reducing crime, school shootings, and saving the children, without disclosing their long-term agenda.
Isn’t it better to fight their plan both in the short-term (every incremental law proposed), and in the long-term (their end goal)at the same time?
Hats off to CapnA, who posted the first link I read on this issue, maybe even in this forum.———————————MADRID (AFP) – US President George W. Bush threatened nations with retaliation if they did not vote for a UN resolution backing the Iraq war, according to a transcript published Wednesday of a conversation he had with former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070926/pl_afp/spainusiraqwar_070926143404;_ylt=AoYOs4i1PqQVKNnighHU2Oys0NUE————————————
LOL
I guess it wasn’t the Coalition of the Willing after all.
More the Coalition of the Coerced.
I guess the invasion *was* unilateral after all.
LOL
Max:
As one who agrees with you on this issue, I’ll point to the earlier post.
Fight the “gun banners?” Absolutely. In the arena of ideas, in the legislatures, in the courts. IF the time comes that they begin to show up door to door to seize weapons, I’ll cross that bridge then. Likely, millions of firearms will magicly “disappear,” as well they should. I suspect that law enforcement would be very reluctant, and would in many places outright refuse, to enforce such an order. But even then, I’d be VERY hesitant to advocate armed resistance, though some would do so at that point.
That’s a genie that quickly goes out of control, and is very difficult to put back in the bottle. And by bandying about such use now, you reinforce the stereotype the banners worked so hard to create.
I fully understand the ultimate purpose of the 2nd amendment. We agree on this. For now, however, Parker is likely headed to the SCOTUS, and we face, potentially, a hostile Congess and President. We should win Parker on the law, and we know what happened to the Dems the last time they tried aggressive gun banning legislation; I don’t see them trying it again, at least overtly. And millions of us see the incrimental steps for what they are.
Max: history, the law, logic, and common sense is on our side here. Many of the new Democrats who came in the last cycle (i.e. James Webb) are with us here too. So too is the vast majority of the public. Let’s use those resources to fight that battle without “sky is falling” talk about some coming revolution, knowing full well it may come to that (God forbid). It’s a tactic that plays into the other side’s hands.
Max, to quote one of your idols…
Well, there you go again.
“…the Top 3 Democratic candidates for President oppose the individual right to bear arms.”
Please prove. Switching threads does NOT change anything. Prove it.
Arm flail much? EVERYBODY PANIC!
Hey Hillary!
After all the bad experiences you had with Johnnie Chung and Charlie Trie and their campaign donations in the 1996 election cycle, why were you not more careful in vetting the donations generated by Norman Hsu? Didn’t you learn your lesson in 1996?
After you found that you had to return almost a million dollars to the donors bundled by Hsu, you said you would be more vigilant in examining the backgrounds of donors. Why didn’t you come to that conclusion before the Hsu scandal, based on your 1996 experiences?
A QUESTION FOR HILLARY:
•You say that your healthcare proposal will leave alone those who are happy with their current insurance. But if you provide health benefits for close to 50 million new people, thereby generating huge new demand for medical care without any increase in the supply of doctors, nurses or hospitals, it will drive up prices radically. Won’t that force you to institute cost controls by limiting the care those now on health insurance can receive?
Max- An interesting question. If the uninsured only use Emergency roooms for care, I suppose it might free that area up somewhat if this plan flies. You can bet the the drug companies will fight like hell to stop the shift from their high priced drugs to the more affortable generic variety. After all, their hearts are in their wallets!
Agreed GMC70.
Though it’s sometimes difficult to fight the incremental battles without painting the entire big picture. And many do not understand history and the issues enough to see the end objective.
Thanks, Pedant.
I didn’t see the bit about “revenge” on countries not wacko enough to join W. in his dive into the tar pit.
Not a single wing-nut will rise to defend the LIAR-in-Chief.
They’re too busy stroking their guns . . .
Anyone interested in Hillary Clinton and how (if) she thinks, the workings of her inner mind:
THESIShttp://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillaryclintonsthesis.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Madame-Hillary-Dark-White-House/dp/0895260670/re
Anyone interested in Hillary Clinton Posted by: Max
Max, why bother? The libs have their koolaid fed to them so they will not read it and conservatives already know she is slime.
CF2K,
In response to your “anti-racist” whine and in regards to the denizens of D.C., I have only this to say: CRY ME A FREAKING RIVER!
Armed rebellion against our government wont work and in 200 hasn’t succeeded. Confederacy came close but even with a large part of the military defecting to the Southern cause and a large armed population they were still crushed, their cities burned and economy wrecked. Whiskey rebellion, native American revolts, the weathermen, Tim McVeigh, David Koresh all failed in standing up to the government with violence. In fact just to use Mcveigh as an example he effectively discredited the militia movement just because of a vague association with it, and his use of violence made him a villain even among people who share his political views. There’s too many people and interests in the satus qou to support an insurrection big businesses and government are intertwined most businesses aren’t going let bottom line be effected in a negative way. People like GMC who work for the government have careers and mortgages to pay aren’t going to throw that all way to become outlaws/rebels/crimals whatever
Well, what’s all this about then? It seems we have yet another, cowardly minority pack attack on a White person and again the “authorities” have deigned not to file any “hate crimes” charges. Our so-called “justice” system is quickly becoming as irrelevant as “our” political system.
Police investigating videotaped attack on Ocean View teenBy MATTHEW ROY, The Virginian-Pilot
© Sept. 25, 2007
UPDATE: Five youths will be charged with misdemeanor mob assault
Edited video of the attack. NORFOLK
In the video, the 13-year-old boy struggled to stay on his feet as several youths punched and pushed him from all sides. When he finally went down, the blows didn’t cease; he tried to protect his face and head with his hands. As he pleaded for them to stop, he was kicked in the face.
After the weekend beating in Ocean View, which lasted less than 40 seconds, the boy struggled to his feet, his face bloody.
The youth, Damin O’Rourke, who only recently moved to Norfolk’s West Ocean View from North Carolina, was left with bruises and scrapes. Police have identified several assailants – juveniles who they said could face misdemeanor assault charges.
Once again, the city is facing questions related to an assault involving several young assailants.
Damin is white; his assailants are black. Still, police said in a news release: “The assault does not appear to be racially motivated according to information gathered by investigators that we are unable to release.” The city’s Gang Squad was investigating, said Officer Chris Amos, police spokesman.
In July, a group attacked three men in East Ocean View; one died. Police charged seven people, ages 15 to 29, in that case. Police do not think the two attacks are part of a larger pattern, Amos said….http://media.hamptonroads.com/media/content/pilotonline/2007/09/oceanviewattack.htm
Hey Hillary!
After all the bad experiences you had with Johnnie Chung and Charlie Trie and their campaign donations in the 1996 election cycle, why were you not more careful in vetting the donations generated by Norman Hsu? Didn’t you learn your lesson in 1996?
After you found that you had to return almost a million dollars to the donors bundled by Hsu, you said you would be more vigilant in examining the backgrounds of donors. Why didn’t you come to that conclusion before the Hsu scandal, based on your 1996 experiences?
Posted by: Pat Herron | September 26, 2007 at 12:37 PM
A QUESTION FOR HILLARY:
•You say that your healthcare proposal will leave alone those who are happy with their current insurance. But if you provide health benefits for close to 50 million new people, thereby generating huge new demand for medical care without any increase in the supply of doctors, nurses or hospitals, it will drive up prices radically. Won’t that force you to institute cost controls by limiting the care those now on health insurance can receive?
Posted by: Max | September 26, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Why don’t you send those to Hillary? Your wasting blog space here because she never comes here — she’s busy finding ways to take your guns, deactivate all the military, create a cabinet position called “Secretary of the Rainbow”
Now go hurry now get you’re ammo boxes filled —-
The only people I know that are as paranoid as the cons here, are dope smokers —– but they have a good point — just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean THEY are not watching.
QUESTION: Do the Republican candidates know EVERY contributor to their campaign?? If not, then WHY is Hillary supposed to know each and every contributor to HER campaign?? Let’s hold EACH candidate, Rep. and Dem. to the same standard you want to make Hillary hold to… If not, then you are female bashing, and Clinton bashing…
Did GWB know each contributor to HIS campaigns for President?? If not, WHY not?? Did Cheney?? If not WHY not??
Indeed why would ANY Candidate KNOW their contributors individually??? That is not their job… They HIRE people to do the finance work… Go after those people if there are problems!!
And criminies, it’s not a conspiracy!! And NO, “White River” (see upthread) has NO BEARING on this election… That is OLD news, and no legal problems were identified in the money making of the investment in the Cattle Futures!! Get OVER that stuff… And NO Vince Foster was not murdered either… Move on with it already!!
In reality, NO funds have been returned to anybody… They have been frozen by a Court, because of Mr. Hsu’s probation violations… And if I was Hillary, I wouldnt even think for one minute about keeping the Interest earned on that money…Just to shut up the Republican detractors…
With any luck, you people may have Nader to vote for (again).
“A job advertisement on the Des Moines Iowa Craigslist.com is calling for eight experienced organizers and 12 field interns living in Iowa and “committed to progressive change,” for the Ralph Nader Democratic Caucus Draft Committee.”
Attention! While you may notice that Mr. Kansas has only two posts on this Blog so far, the number of sock puppets is numerous in his absence. Isnt that amazing?
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/
I would bet that every candidate is aware of every bundler who has brought in more than $250,000 to their campaign.
And Hsu brought in $850,000 and Hillary didn’t know? Right.
You really think Hillary doesn’t know every bundler on this list who brought in $250,000 or more?
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/candidate.cfm?CandidateID=C0008
She would be too stupid to be President if she didn’t.
(On Que – bash Bush now for being too stupid to be President. But we are talking Hillary here.)
Amazing Sugar. Kansas must be working behind the scenes on every one of em. There can’t possibly be more than 3 or 4 conservatives here!
Chas:
Surely you are not suggesting that Hillary! is unaware of the bundler who brought in $800,000+? Pleeeeeease!!!!!!! That’s not chump change, even in Hillary’s! well-financed machine.
And what makes this even more incredulous is that Hillary! has been down this road before, in her husband’s campaign.
Deja Hsu all over again.
But, as noted before, the public figures they all do it (and they’re largely right) so it is probably only an issue for the political junkies and such.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HILLARY!
In Arkansas, you achieved fame by urging mandatory testing for teachers and demanded that those who failed the competency tests be dismissed. You and your husband did this and implemented this policy. As a result, he was denied the endorsement by the Arkansas Teachers Union during his time as governor. Do you still support your proposal of 1983 and 1984 for mandatory teacher competency tests for current teachers — not just for new ones?
Abortionist quack Alan Kline shut down his filthy, unsafe Alternatives abortion mill in Atlantic City, NJ, rather than clean up and comply with a 116-page health department violations report, the result of the first inspection in 6 years, and moved his slaughter business out of the rented building.Meanwhile, Kansas abortion mills are NEVER inspected, although Wichita’s late-term abortionist quack Tiller in particular is known to commit flagrant violations of several state laws and medical regulations. The breakdown of law enforcement in Kansas abortion mills continues to foment a national crisis, as out-of-state mothers by the dozen contract the killings of their children, illegal in their own state, and illegal by the Kansas post-viable abortion ban.In 80 cities, including Wichita, and 33 states, a 40-day spiritual assault on America’s abortion industry now begins. Godspeed.
Don’t you fear hell for lying Parkay.
‘The Bush Administration’s Sideshow on Global Warming:
It’s Time to Join The Rest of The World, says Science Advocacy Group
Statement by Alden Meyer, Union of Concerned Scientists’http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0925-20.htm
“The vast majority of world leaders at yesterday’s U.N. meeting were in agreement that the world must sharply curtail global warming pollution emissions by mid-century and that such reductions must be mandatory for industrialized nations such as the United States.The cost to make these reductions is small compared with the mounting costs of global warming-induced damages to both human communities and natural ecosystems.
“If the president fails to make specific proposals for both long-term global and near-term U.S. emissions reductions, it will confirm the fears of some that his summit is merely an effort to delay, or even derail, meaningful international progress on confronting the climate crisis.It will make it abundantly clear to the entire world that President Bush is continuing to fiddle around while the world burns.”
4:32 PM post of http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0925-20.htm is only the first and last paragraph… more at link.
LAST HILLARY CLINTON QUESTION! (FOR TODAY!)
In Arkansas, you pioneered the idea of testing students to ascertain their progress and holding schools accountable for any shortcomings in their test scores. Now California Democratic Congressman George Miller, chairman of the House Education Committee, wants to change the No Child Left Behind Act to substitute graduation rates for test scores as the measure of a school’s performance. Opponents say this is injecting a non-objective standard and undercuts the whole purpose of the legislation. Do you support Miller’s proposal?
“It will make it abundantly clear to the entire world that President Bush is continuing to fiddle around while the world burns”
I guess its up to Bush to save us. What are the “specifie proposals” that are needed reduce emissions to levels that are not going to cause Global warming?
Hmm..Bush was elected in 2000, Is that when human aided global warming started?
Cosmos, have you dumped your car yet?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-925.html#comment-84108058Perhaps instead of blaming Bush, you should focus on the reality of your own Carbon footprint.
Cosmos,
just give your car to me. I promise that I will not drive it more than you do all ready. I don’t want you to have to live with the reality that you are causing the icebergs to melt by living like everyone else in an industrialized nation. Have you done any research into how people who do not live in industrialized nations live? Perhaps, you can start by making a shift to that lifestyle.
Granted you consider yourself a human,you would do that if:
1. You really believe that humans are causing GW
2. drastic measures need to be implemented by humans in industrialzed nations.
3. You have too much integrity to demand others to do what you are not willing to do yourself.
And rfl knows what kind of vehicle cosmos drives… how???
If you dont know what he drives, your post is worthless!!! Duh!!
rfl — your entire premise is false, and what’s more…. you KNOW it is false…. therefore, it has NO credibility to it!!!
Fantastic, overwhelming, and convincing Chas is!
Muhammad Wept!
I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.
cosmos is all talk – no action.
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 09:08 PM
Ok big mouth. Back that up. Prove it.
Kansas says he can “prove it”.I’m waiting for the proof.
Crickets chirping….
XXX, you can’t believe Kansas has enough hot air in his house without his furnace?
I already posted XXX, too bad you were “tippin the nozzle” a bit too much and missed it.
Pace’s comments on gays elicits loud protests.In March, Joint Chiefs Chairman Peter Pace declared, “I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral.” Today, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) called them “very hurtful comments, very demoralizing comments.” Harkin then offered Pace, who was attending his final hearing before resigning his post, an opportunity to clarify his remarks. But Pace only caused more anger with his explanationSo I would repeat. My upbringing is one that says, sex, other than between man and a woman inside the bonds of marriage, is a sin. … We should respect those that want to serve the nation, but not through the law of the land condone activity that in my upbringing, is counter to God’s law.Pace’s response created such an outrage from the audience that Chairman Robert Byrd (D-WV) was forced to temporarily adjourn the hearing: “Let us clear the room!” he shouted, as chaos erupted.
I think we need to have congress vote on a resolution condemning this.
rfl,
Tell me what my carbon footprint is.
And don’t forget to include part of the reductions at some of my neighbors and friends homes — caused by my free advice and help to improve energy efficiency.
And our carpooling, and … well you know everything I’ve done, so I don’t need to make a list.
rfl: “Have you done any research into how people who do not live in industrialized nations live? Perhaps, you can start by making a shift to that lifestyle.”
Obviously rfl did not read the links I suggested yesterday
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php
http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid113.php
http://www.smallisprofitable.org/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 03:56 PM
Cosmos — rfl was still in the sock drawer when you posted that LOL
Chas,
rfl was posting then, and had asked me for “practical solutions”. I suggested those 5 links, and also this one.
http://www.austinenergy.com/Energy%20Efficiency/Programs/Green%20Building/index.htm
Lot of info in “Sustainable Building Sourcebook” and other parts.
She will ban automatic weapons, like her husband. There is basis in fact.
Posted by: YYY | September 26, 2007 at 09:11 AM
Uh, gee, Graffitti Troll–
Fully automatic weapons have been banned since 1986 when Reagan was in the White House.
Chairman Robert Byrd (D-WV) was forced to temporarily adjourn the hearing: “Let us clear the room!” he shouted, as chaos erupted.
I think we need to have congress vote on a resolution condemning this.
Posted by: ???????????? | September 26, 2007 at 05:36 PM
You would think that Byrd was still with the KKK and had utterred the N word! Oh my! A general expresses his opinion and YOU want Congressional hearings?
For what purpose? Is this a national crisis?
Congress hasn’t even met its deadlines for passing a budget yet!
Look ???? if you are not comfortable with who you are, that’s your problem.
In my home country, there are no homosexuals.
You are protected by the same, not more, but by the same rights as anyone else.
The Government Accountability Office is out with a report on problems with the medical care provided to injured U.S. soldiers this morning, and the grades it’s giving aren’t particularly encouraging.
The GAO says that nearly half of all returning soldiers aren’t getting personalized care that the Army said it would provide in the wake of revelations about Walter Reed; that the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs still don’t have a good system for sharing soldiers’ medical records; and that the government has, in the words of the Associated Press, “no apparent solution” for reducing delays — they average 177 days — in providing disability payments to wounded soldiers.
“Delayed decisions, confusing policies and the perception that DoD and VA disability ratings result in inequitable outcomes have eroded the credibility of the system,” GAO investigators say in their report. “It is imperative that DoD and VA take prompt steps to address fundamental system weaknesses.”
I’m quite sad “Door King” that you posted what you did. I will be praying for you!
And Remember-
JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU ALWAYS!!!
Sounds like DoD and VA dont really support our Troops… Shame on VA!!!
Well, well…. Sounds like every one of you right wing hate and fear mongers has been TOTLLY WRONG about what YOU all call Hillary Care…. I just heard her talking about it in the Debate… She didnt say ONE WORD about forced use of Doctors from a list — she said exactly the opposite… Anybody needing the provided health care would be FREE TO CHOOSE their medical provider…. just like now…. AND, she didnt say she was inventing NEW HEALTH CARE…. She said she wants to provide the Uninsured, and Underinsured, with the same Health Care plan that EVERY MEMBER of Congress has now…
Now… Where all you Right Wingnuts get all of your CRAP about Hillary Care this, and Hillary Care that, I dont know… but you SHOULD be getting it from HILLARY…. Not Hannity…. From the lady herself… not from the Talk Mogul detractors… They are SCARED TO DEATH of her Health Care, because it means the end of Republican control over Health Care plans….
WAKE UP WING NUTS!!!
I see that Mr. Kansas has STILL not been able to prove the allegation he made last night, namely that cosmos is sugar. He also has not been able to prove the allegation he made before that, namely that sugar is one of the regular lib posters, using a different name.
Mr. Kansas should not make allegations he cannot prove. He so much likes to demand proof of others, yet he himself cannot prove what allegations he makes.
Mr. Kansas needs to be totally ignored on this Blog. He has absolutely zero credibility.
Please watch carefully what happens next.
Take your pill Chas.
When you WRITE IN ALL CAPS, that should be your clue to take a deep breath settle down, take your happy pill, and know that all is well. God takes care of the sparrows after all, how much more care will he take with us?
Sierra Club and their Lawsuits Part I – How it is costing the American Taxpayers Billions of Dollars
Sierra Club sues to block new Stillwater bridgeby Dan Olson, Minnesota Public RadioJune 5, 2007
The Sierra Club has filed another lawsuit to try stop construction of a new four-lane bridge across the St. Croix River near Stillwater.
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The l995 pricetag for the new bridge over the St. Croix was $120 million. Two years ago the estimate was more than doubled to $350 million, to include money for some additional farmland acquisition in Wisconsin, bigger roads leading to the bridge and environmental mitigation costs.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/06/05/stillwaterbridgesuit/
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 2
For Immediate Release Contact: Rodney MallettSept. 7, 2007 Telephone: 225.219.3964Judge dismisses LEAN, Sierra Club lawsuit against DEQBATON ROUGE – US District Judge Sarah Vance dismissed a lawsuit against DEQ Secretary MikeMcDaniel on Thursday, saying the plaintiffs “failed to establish standing.”The lawsuit was filed by the Louisiana Environmental Action Network and the Sierra Club alleging that the emergency orders McDaniel issued after hurricanes Katrina and Rita allowed waste to be disposed of in a waythat would endanger public health and the environment. The plaintiffs alleged that the orders were pre-empted by the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act. DEQ contends the emergency orders were issued to ensure that public health and the environment were protected whileexpediting cleanup activities.
The Court found that LEAN and the Sierra Club did not have standing because they could not prove injury orthat there was any harmful waste going into the landfills mentioned in the emergency orders, which have been updated numerous times since first issued on Aug. 30….
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deq.louisiana.gov%2Fportal%2Fportals%2F0%2Fnews%2Fpdf%2FLEANlawsuitdismissed.pdf&ei=Hhn7Rt6CCpmGeo2QjNYM&usg=AFQjCNHyqUByQAkvdbEWYY99FPSdtcYTvA&sig2=klJQDalazaFoTzGvX01R-w
‘Lower St. Croix National Wild and Scenic Riverway’http://northstar.sierraclub.org/campaigns/open-space/greenGuide/lowerStCroix/index.html
“From the Gordon and Namekagon dams in northern Wisconsin to Prescott, the St. Croix National Wild and Scenic Riverway system forms a ribbon of federally protected waterway. The 2.7 million residents of the Twin Cities metro area can make a day trip to enjoy this area.
STATUS: ENDANGEREDA new superbridge could slice through this National Wild and Scenic Riverway.”
‘The full 18-point Sierra Club Riverway Proposal.’http://northstar.sierraclub.org/campaigns/transportation/stCroixPlan20030630.html
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 3
The Unbridled Hypocrisy of the Sierra Clubhttp://www.atlasblogged.com/archives/2005/09/the_unbridled_h.php
Earlier today Michelle Malkin pointed out a National Review article about the now-infamous Mississippi River levees.
In his article, Greens vs. Levees, John Berlau writes that the Sierra Club “was one of several environmental groups who sued the Army Corps of Engineers to stop a 1996 plan to raise and fortify Mississippi River levees.”
And why was the Sierra Club suing the Army Corps of Engineers to stop the fortification of the levees?
For the birds and the bears, of course.
“The lawsuit stated, “Bottomland hardwood forests must be protected and restored if the Louisiana black bear is to survive as a species, and if we are to ensure continued support for source population of all birds breeding in the lower Mississippi River valley.””
“The unmistakable conclusion that must be drawn is that America remains at risk not only from terrorist attacks and natural disasters, but also from our own federal government’s unwillingness to put public health and safety first in its response to such national emergencies.”
And who will hold the Sierra Club responsible for their unwillingness to put public health and safety before the Louisiana black bear?
Their unbridled hyprocrisy knows no bounds.
http://www.atlasblogged.com/archives/2005/09/the_unbridled_h.php
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 4
Justice Scalia Shoots Down Recusal Motion
Duck hunting season in Louisiana ended in February with quite a bang. Not because of the number of hunters and waterfowl the region attracted, but because of the media attention surrounding one hunting trip in particular — the early January expedition of Vice President Dick Cheney and U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.
After news reports surfaced of Justice Scalia’s duck hunting trip and an earlier dinner engagement with Vice President Dick Cheney, flocks of media and Cheney opponents called for Justice Scalia to recuse himself from a case being considered by the Court this term, claiming that his personal relationship with the Vice President will unfairly influence his decision in the pending case. In Cheney v. USDC for District of Columbia, the High Court will decide whether Vice President Cheney, in his official capacity, may keep secret the minutes of his energy task force meetings with energy executives…
In the 21-page Memorandum, worthy of a 21 gun salute, Justice Scalia shoots down any doubt about whether the Sierra Club’s recusal motion is worthy of further debate. Answering his critics bluntly, Justice Scalia announced that “[s]ince I do not believe my impartiality can reasonably be questioned, I do not think it would be proper for me to recuse.”
…The only thing unclear from the Memorandum is exactly how many ducks Justice Scalia managed to bag on that infamous trip. With no opportunity to appeal Justice Scalia’s refusal to recuse, what is clear is that the Sierra Club failed to bag what some thought would be the biggest prize in its most recent political manhunt.”
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legal_issues/legal_updates/us_supreme_court/scalia_sierra_club.htm
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 5
Speaking of flood control. You did know, didn’t you, that in 1996 the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was going to raise and strengthen the very levees that failed in New Orleans. They were going to, but they didn’t. And why not? Because of a lawsuit, that’s why. The plaintiff in the lawsuit didn’t want the work done until extensive and expensive environmental impact statements were prepared by the Corps of Engineers and approved by the EPA. And who filed that lawsuit? Why .. it was the Sierra Club. The very same Sierra Club, by the way, that listened with rapt attention in San Francisco on September 9th while Al Gore told them that the leaders of this country ought to be held accountable for the flooding in New Orleans. Now, some of us might be so twisted as to think that the very Sierra Club that was so enthralled by Gore’s rantings should bear some of the blame here … but that’s only because we just don’t realize that it was all Bush’s fault. Oh .. and by the way. Why haven’t we heard more about this Sierra Club lawsuit in the mainstream media? Remember the template.
In March of this year — that’s about five months before Katrina — FEMA was asking for the return of $30.4 million that the federal government had sent to Louisiana for emergency planning and preparedness. Most of this money was sent to some state office called the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. Wait .. it gets worse. According to the Los Angeles Times, much of that money was sent to Louisiana under some federal program called the Hazard Mitigation Grant program. That is a program that is, in part, supposed to help states improve flood control facilities. Flood? Did someone say flood?
…You see, the Louisiana officials say that they awarded that money to subcontractors for 19 major hazard mitigation programs, but they just can’t seem to find any receipts to account of 97% of the funds. Ninety-seven percent of $15.4 million, my friends. No receipts. That’s $14.94 million .. gone, and nobody can trace it…
On the Saturday before the hurricane New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin received a call from Amtrak. There was a passenger train sitting in the New Orleans station with 900 empty seats. Did the Mayor want to put some evacuees in those seats? No thanks. The train left nearly empty. You cannot blame Mayor Nagin for this decision, that clearly would be racist. It just has to be Bush’s fault.
http://www.letsplay.net/josday/getdonday.cfm?id=850
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 6
“Judge Rules Against Sierra Club in Second Part of Forestry LawsuitBrandt Mannchen
The Sierra Club lost the part of the Sierra Club vs. Jacobs lawsuit that deals with the requirement to inventory/monitor management indicator species (MIS) in Sam Houston National Forest (SHNF) on Tuesday, December 5, 2007, when Federal District Court Judge Vanessa Gilmore ruled against the Club and for the U.S. Forest Service (FS). A MIS is a plant or animal species whose health is an indicator of the health of other species or habitats.
Sierra Club vs. Jacobs is the lawsuit that covers timber sales in the Sam Houston National Forest including Compartments 28/37 Project (959 acres) and the Boswell Creek Healthy Forest Initiative Pilot Project (over 7,000 acres). Earlier in 2006 the Sierra Club won the part of Sierra Club vs. Jacobs that covers the requirement to inventory/monitor Proposed, Endangered, Threatened, and Sensitive (PETS) species in SHNF.
Judge Gilmore said that the FS can collect data from all the National Forests and Grasslands in Texas (Sam Houston, Davy Crockett, Angelina, and Sabine National Forests), even though they are scores of miles apart, and combine the data together to determine whether there are viable population trends for MIS (for example, Pileated Woodpecker) instead of establishing a population trend for MIS in each national forest (for example, Sam Houston National Forest).
The Judge ruled that the FS had done all the inventorying/monitoring it was required to do under the National Forest Management Act. The only data that was not collected was for snags (standing dead trees). Since snags are not a plant or animal species (even though the FS listed them as a MIS) the court dismissed the point…
http://houston.sierraclub.org/news/2007/0105.htm
One thing I liked about sporting events growing up, whether it was football, wrestling, or track, is that you would always shake hands with your opponent at the end of the event.
(Though in wrestling, we had to shake hands before and after the match.)
One year, in the only wrestling match I lost that year, I gave the other guy, Scott, a black eye, and lost 6-7. He was the cousin of a friend of mine, and after that match we made friends that day. (I made him show me the move that beat me though)
In the timeline of life, 6 billion of us are all here together for such a short time, in the scheme of things. We are here on this Earth together.
We can choose to make friends or make enemies, whether we agree or disagree.
And if we can’t get along on this blog, how do we ever expect the USA to be united, and how do we ever expect Countries to be united, and how do we ever expect wars to end?
I see more dribble by Sugar tonight wastin’ space.
Would you like to prove your allegation, YYY? O do you just want to fill Blog space with drivel?
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Would you like to prove your allegation, YYY? O do you just want to fill Blog space with drivel?
Posted by: sugar
Oh god no, I don’t want to do that – you have done enough of that with Kansas to fill two blog pages!
Posted by: YYY | September 26, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Please check out Kansas’s sniveling on the 09-25 open thread. It’s enough to break your heart.
Anyone else wonder if Max has a future as a folk song writer? Nah, I didn’t think so, either.
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 7
Frivolity, Thy Name Is GreenpeaceSierra Club Sues over “Skiing Rights”
Frivolous lawsuits negatively impact all of us; especially those of us who are not lawyers. Multimillion dollar lawsuits filed by people who didn’t realize that the all-cheeseburger platter “diet” might induce weight gain do nothing more than tie up the legal system and demonstrate to the world the litigant’s own lack of intelligence.
Both of those characteristics certainly apply to the leaders of Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, and the International Center for Technology Assessment (CTA), who, in 1999, filed a lawsuit against the EPA for not stopping the emission of greenhouse gases from cars. In the normal course of our daily lives, the best course of action when someone says or does something blatantly stupid is to ignore it (and then, perhaps, make fun of them behind their backs). This is no doubt how the EPA responded to this frivolous lawsuit: They ignored it. But not wanting to allow their ignorance of matters environmental to go unrewarded, the litigants recently filed another complaint claiming that, by the EPA’s inaction, they have actually suffered damages
How, you might ask, have these people been damaged by greenhouse gas emissions since 1999? Well, among other things,
…the Sierra Club’s and Greenpeace’s alleged “diminished opportunities to enjoy winter recreation, including skiing….” A recent article by Canadian researchers Daniel Scott, Geoff McBoyle, and Brian Mills directly addresses that issue. Not only have the litigants not suffered loss of skiing opportunity since 1999 (not that they could link such losses to greenhouse gases even if they did ski less often), but furthermore, the litigants will not suffer such damages in their lifetimes.
The authors used a range of climate models and examined their forecasts for monthly temperature and precipitation in grid cells over southern Ontario. From these data, they generated daily weather scenarios to run a snowcover model. (We have discussed the “merits” of such an approach numerous times in past issues, and we’re not going to rehash those again today.) They first tested their model using data for a ski resort outside of Toronto and demonstrated that it does a very nice job of replicating observed snow depth.
But the key to this research is not the approach or even the validity of the climate model downscaled results. What’s interesting is that the authors directly considered snowmaking technology in their impact assessments. It seems that Ontario ski operators had been adapting to climate change back when everyone was more concerned about the coming ice age. In 1977, only half of the ski areas had snowmaking capabilities. But after taking economic hits in the winters of 1979–1980 and 1982–1983, the resorts added snowmaking technology; today, all the skiable terrain at Ontario resorts is covered by snowmaking systems, a fine example of simple adaptation driven by free market forces.
We could easily quibble (and in the past, we have) about the improper use of climate model output at such a local scale, about downscaling methods, about unrealistic emission scenarios, and so forth. These predictions could very well be quite wrong. But we commend the authors for actively incorporating adaptation into their impact appraisals.
Without any prodding by intergovernmental agencies, the people who run Ontario’s ski slopes added snowmaking after a few snow-free winters in the early 1980s. They adapted. It’s high time for the folks at the CTA, the Sierra Club, and the Greenpeace to do the same.
http://worldclimatereport.com/archive/previous_issues/vol8/v8n14/hot1.htm
Kansas, WHERE are your Congress and the Justice Dept sources re the Sierra Club and levee failures???
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787152
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
And thank you for posting the levee lie again above.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-926.html#comment-84210900
It proves that you ignore facts, and have ZERO credibility.
It’s funny when the cons get their asses kicked they want to start singing Kum Bah Yah… You clowns are way too much.
Looks like the (un)patriot act is hitting a brick wall in the courts. If congress had done their job and defended the constitution, it wouldn’t be necessary for the court to have to intervene.Oregon judge knocks down part of Patriot Act 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
SEATTLE (Reuters) – An Oregon judge on Wednesday ruled that two provisions of the Patriot Act violated the U.S. Constitution’s protection against unlawful searches and seizures.
ADVERTISEMENTU.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled in favor of Brandon Mayfield, a lawyer wrongly arrested by the FBI in 2004 for possible ties to the Madrid train bombings, who challenged the secret searches of his home and office.
The judge said the amendments made by the Patriot Act to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allows the government to conduct searches and monitor American citizens without probable cause, which is typically required by the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
“The defendant here is asking this court to, in essence, amend the Bill of Rights by giving it an interpretation that would deprive it of any real meaning. This court declines to do so,” Aiken wrote in her ruling.
In Washington, Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr said, “We are reviewing the decision, and while we have no further comment, we are reviewing all our options.”
Aiken’s ruling is the second legal blow delivered to the Patriot Act in less than a month. A district judge in New York said a provision in the Patriot Act that requires people who are formally contacted by the FBI for information to keep it a secret is unconstitutional.
The anti-terror Patriot Act, enacted by Congress after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, expanded the rights of law enforcement agencies and eased restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering.
I’ve been saying this for some time, the Democrats are NOT going to pull US Troops out of Iraq! I don’t know why anyone would support Democrats who made promises to you in 2006, and now say they can’t fullfil this promise until 2013.
Y’all said you voted for Democrats last year BECAUSE you thought they would end the Iraq war.
Bunch of damn liars.
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Dems Discuss Iraq Withdrawal at New Hampshire DebateWednesday, September 26, 2007
HANOVER, N.H. — The leading Democratic presidential hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they cannot guarantee to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by 2013, the end of the next president’s first term.
“I think it’s hard to project four years from now,” said Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the nation’s first primary state.
“It is very difficult to know what we’re going to be inheriting,” added Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
“I cannot make that commitment,” said former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298173,00.html
‘THE EXXON FILES’http://www.exxon-files.eu/index.php
“Climate change is at the top of Europe’s political agenda but not everyone is happy about that. The world’s biggest oil company, ExxonMobil, is working hard to block internationally agreed policies designed to combat climate change. Take a look how ExxonMobil is twisting the facts and help put an end to their misleading advertising.”
Funny video… and more info at ‘Learn More’ link.
H/T to DeSmogBlog.com
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 8
How the Sierra Club Wastes the Supreme Court’s time – The transcript
“IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
ADMINISTRATOR, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, Petitioner v. SIERRA CLUB, ET AL.
No. 82-242
April 25, 1983
The above-entitled matter came on for oral argument before the Supreme Court of the United States at 10:00 a.m.
APPEARANCES:.
KATHRYN A. OBERLY, ESQ., Office of the Solicitor General, Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; on behalf of Petitioner.
HAROLD R. TYLER, JR., ESQ., New York, New York; on behalf of Respondent.
CHIEF JUSTICE BURGER: We will hear arguments first this morning in the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency against the Sierra Club….cont’d at
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1989/1982/1982_82_242/argument/
MAX… If you would maybe read what I said, instead of talking abougt something totally out of context with what was posted, maybe it would make you seem to be a little less stupid!!
And now Der Fuehrer Hillary is threatening a restaurant owner to take down a picture of Chelsea with the owner or face legal action. How is this photo (taken voluntarily I assume from looking at it) a Threat to Hillary or Chelsea?
What a petty tyrant of a woman.
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New York Restaurant Owner ‘Shocked’ Over Ex-President Clinton’s Demands to Remove Chelsea Photo
NEW YORK — The owner of a New York City restaurant is “heartbroken” over a letter he received from former President Bill Clinton’s lawyer asking that a photograph of daughter Chelsea be removed from his eatery — or face legal action.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298173,00.html
1983??? Are you for real, Kansas??? Twenty-four years ago, for crying out loud… Cant you do any better than that??? Geez, thats back in your ol’ buddy Reagan’s heyday… You remember, guns for hostages, Iran/Contra??? Edwin Meese… and that wonderful Sec’y of the Interior who wasnt interested in Environmental issues, because he thought Jesus was coming soon???
Like 1983 is SOOO relevant to what is happening NOW???
It’s funny when the cons get their asses kicked they want to start singing Kum Bah Yah… You clowns are way too much.
Posted by: Steven Davis | September 26, 2007 at 10:28 PM
Huh? When did Cons get their tails kicked?
And you see my last posts? Am I backing down on your favorite Liberal Girl? Never!
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 9
How the Sierra Club Makes the U.S. Dependent on Foreign Oil
Activist Groups Sue to Stop Oil Production in National Petroleum Reserve
Seven environmental activist groups have raised the stakes regarding their opposition to Alaskan oil recovery, suing the federal government to stop oil production in the National Petroleum Reserve. The suit, filed in February, claims the interests of caribou and other animals must take priority over oil production in the reserve.
“The administration is really bent over backwards to favor oil development over all other resource values in this area,” claimed Deirdre McDonnell, staff attorney for Earthjustice, one of the groups behind the lawsuit.
The National Petroleum Reserve is 23 million acres of land–about the size of Indiana–specifically set aside by the federal government in 1923 for oil production. The Reserve is located approximately 100 miles from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), whose prodigious reserves activists have successfully kept from oil production.
Earthjustice, commonly perceived as one of the more extreme environmental groups, was joined in the lawsuit by several self-described “mainstream” groups, including the Sierra Club, National Audubon Society, and Natural Resources Defense Council.
“Most Americans know that environmental organizations operate outside the realm of common sense and accountability, but this time Americans will see just how radical they have become,” said House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo (R-California). “Suing to stop petroleum production in a petroleum reserve is like suing farmers to stop producing milk from cows. If we can’t get petroleum from the National Petroleum Reserve, where can we get it?”
Dan Lavery, an Alaskan specialist with the Sierra Club, described the contested National Petroleum Reserve land as a “very sensitive” part of the environment.
In response, Pombo wondered if there is any land in the nation the Sierra Club would not deem “very sensitive” and upon which the Sierra Club would support resource recovery.
Said Pombo, “These groups say they are pro-environment, but it is clear that they are just anti-energy, anti-American jobs, and anti-economic growth. The more they halt production at home, the more we send American jobs and money overseas to make up the difference.
“Last year alone,” Pombo continued, “the United States sent over $100 billion worth of American jobs to foreign nations for energy that could have been produced here at home. As demand grows and so-called environmentalists continue to file lawsuits, Americans will lose more jobs and pay more for their energy. Given the choice, what taxpayer wouldn’t want to spend $100 billion here on jobs, safe energy development, and a stronger economy?”
“We import over 60 percent of our energy needs from foreign countries,” Pombo continued. “That’s billions in lost revenues and jobs in a time when the people of this nation need good jobs and steady income. … As supplies here at home dwindle, prices increase, Americans lose jobs, and our economy tanks. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan … cited increasing oil and gas prices as the biggest threat to continued economic growth.”
“Many expert studies, such as the 1999 Clinton administration report titled ‘Environmental Benefits of Advanced Oil and Gas Production and Exploration Technology,’ conclude that domestic energy production must be increased,” observed Barbara Cubin (R-Wyoming), chair of the House Resources Subcommittee on Energy and Minerals. “The Clinton report shows that domestic production is the key to economic growth, good jobs, national security, and global environmental safety. Nonetheless, radical environmental organizations continue their crusade against safe energy production.”
Cubin pointed out that at the same time the activist groups sued to stop resource recovery in the National Petroleum Reserve, “a faction of these groups filed a suit to stop the production of clean natural gas in Wyoming’s San Juan Basin, where roughly 41 percent of the nation’s natural gas reserves are located.”
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=14862
Max, looks to me like Mr. Clinton has a pretty much air tight case… If I am not mistaken, the picture would have been taken when Chelsea was a MINOR… and as such, he doesnt have the right to display it publicly in that manner… If he had it in his Office, it might be different…
Mercy sakes…. looks like Kansas still cant prove his allegations against sugar and cosmos that he made yesterday.. or the allegation that sugar is a regular lib poster…!!! But I see a whole LOT of whining by Kansas claiming to be under attack!!! Thats too funny!!! KANSAS the attacker, complaining about being attacked!!! Ha! Ha!
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 10
How Sierra Club Uses Legal Thievery to Steal Money from Municipalities
Sierra Club Sues to Block Flood Map
The Sierra Club has filed a lawsuit challenging a portion of the new Harris County (Houston) Flood Map, an action officials warn could delay adopting the maps countywide.
More from the Houston Chronicle:
If the new maps are delayed, flood-control officials say, developers will be able to build in flood-prone areas based on outdated, 30-year-old flood plain information. Flood officials want to adopt the new maps, then revise the one for the Cypress Creek area.
The Sierra Club has brought its lawsuit because it also is concerned about development in flood-prone areas. It alleges that even the proposed Cypress Creek flood map might allow development on 5,000 acres of wetlands in the Katy Prairie, home to one of North America’s largest flocks of wintering migratory waterfowl.Heather Saucier, a spokeswoman for the Harris County Flood Control District, which helped develop the maps, called the lawsuit “a disgrace to taxpayers.” Her colleague, Fred Garcia, said the lawsuit is “frivolous” because the district and FEMA will issue a corrected map of Cypress Creek shortly.
The map that the Sierra Club opposes designates more land around the creek as flood-prone than the existing 1985 map, which means development restrictions are stricter, Garcia said.
After Tropical Storm Allison struck the area, FEMA and the Harris County Flood Control District each chipped in $15 million to redraw the area’s flood maps.”
http://geocarta.blogspot.com/2007/04/sierra-club-sues-to-block-flood-map.html
That may be true Chas, but how many other pictures of the President’s daughter were taken over 8 years, and why is this particular picture a problem?
When you are the President’s kid, you are in the public eye no doubt, and when you POSE for a picture (if you looked at it), then isn’t the implied approval also given at the time the picture is taken?
Not clear on the Internet, but it looked ok to me. I didn’t see a boob, booger, or anything else embarrassing about it!
Geez, how can anybody post here, when Kansas sees fit to publish an entire pamphlet or something, in all of those parts, when just posting a link would do perfectly fine… What a waste of Blog space…
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 11
Sierra Club Cost Constuction Jobs and Take up Scientists Valuable Time In Courtooms
“A report highlighting flaws in the federal Endangered Species Act and urging reform to the 30-year-old legislation was recently released by the Committee on Resources at the US House of Representatives. The report, issued by Committee Chairman Richard Pombo (R-Tracy), finds that rather than protecting plants and animals threatened with extinction and restoring their populations, the law has created a population explosion — of frivolous lawsuits by extreme no-growth advocates and “Not In My Backyard” activists. The swarm of suits has consumed the time and resources of scientists who spend more time in court than doing scientific research. Court judgements also have cost jobs where construction projects of every type have been mothballed, delayed or caught up in red tape.”
http://www.rebuildca.org/eir_home.html
No MAX… permission is given to TAKE the picture… NOT to post it in a restaurant on the walls… BIG difference… And, as Daughter of the President, she is under the Secret Service Watch, along with her 30 friends who were also there… And did you notice the owner’s language??? Clintons “little girl” hmmmmm she was young, but NOT a “little girl” except maybe in HIS eyes???
You actually reading all that Kansas, or just hitting highlight, edit, copy, and paste??? WHY must you print out the whole pamphlet/article/book???
Well, its about that time… Early day tomorrow…
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
How the Sierra Club costs Taxpayers Billions – Part 12
Sierra Club Responsible for Massive Forest Fires by Not Allowing Clear Cut Fire breaks
I wish the Sierra Club would file an impact statement. They have destroyed more trees in the last 10 years than loggers have in the last 100.
I recall the big fight over the forest outside of the Calavaras Big Trees National Park. The Eco-weenies blocked all logging for a few years, till the forest burned down. Because the thinning was not done it crownfired. Now there is no trees to protect.
You know the difference between a clear cut and a forest fire?
Roast Bambi.
Besides of which, a clear cut is one meadow, where a forest fire is everything you can see for miles.
So enjoy your steel framed, non renewable resource house bought in the name of ecology, because the less wood we use, the less wood we have.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1044497/posts
Chas, I have a 21 yr old “little girl”. And she will forever be my “little girl” as long as I live.
If Hillary and Chelsea are so sensitive (I bet there’s a political angle) then heck take it down.
I wouldn’t want to take such a disgusting picture or display it either.
Max,In Kansas City, there is a saying that goes: “Iogewians are as dumb as dirt.” I didn’t believe it until I read your posts. I’ve concluded, since – they were way too kind.
Gee, for a guy who loves Clinton so much, he sure seems happy to try to hurt them huh?
No, I think this guy is using his celeb pics to promote his biz. If he told her he was going to put it up, that would be different.
Max anybody who takes your picture and posts it for purposes should have your permission to do so.
MAX, I have a 30 yr. old “little girl” too… But I wouldnt want some restaurant owner referring to her that way… LOL
Well, I am outta here…
Nite PMom… Nite all!!
Check this link:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/09/24/antarcticmelt_pla.html?category=earth&guid=20070924093000
Chad:
Unless NY has some particularly unusual statutes, I don’t think Clintons have any basis for suit, or complaint, at all. Unless one is in a private/personal space, one has almost no interest in one’s image; the papparazi(sp?) would be out of business almost immediately otherwise.
And why is Bill sending the letter? Chelsea is presumably a competent adult. The “threat,” as well, says nothing – “we reserve the right to exercise all our rights.” – uh, no kidding. The Clintons are smart folks, presumably, something so badly written would not come, hopefully, from them (or their staff). Why not a nice letter requesting removal first; that seems more their style.
Frankly, the whole thing smells like a hoax. And if the Clintons persist and it is indeed a coming lawsuit, the Clintons will come out looking very small and petty.
VT – whadda ya think? You’re the civil law guy here.
“And now Der Fuehrer Hillary is threatening a restaurant owner to take down a picture of Chelsea with the owner or face legal action. How is this photo (taken voluntarily I assume from looking at it) a Threat to Hillary or Chelsea?
What a petty tyrant of a woman. ”
Uh, bozo, it’s her husband doing the threatening, not her. You can’t even get a written story straight. Talk about your proto-typical neo-con:Take everything out of context, spin it with a good measure of bs, and serve cold. I’ll still be laughing when Hillary’s elected, and you reich-wingers go into meltdown mode.
GMC,
Just saw your query, and am as puzzled as you about this. I’m also not familiar with New York law, so cannot do more than speculate that there may be something there which might give a right of action to someone. The comments of the person identified as a lawyer in the linked piece hints that there is something upon which an action might be based. Other than that, I see no grounds for any civil action.
BTW, I agree this doesn’t sound like the normal Clintonian “style”.