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Open thread 9/25
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Sept. 25, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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30,000 DEAD AND WOUNDED AMERICAN KIDS IN THE WRONG COUNTRY.
12,000,000.00 TAXPAYER BUCKS WASTED EVERY HOUR.
BUSH SUCKS
Global Cooling Report: More Winter in the WestU.N. News Releash
The climate research community expelled a long collective breath last week as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued its fourth “Summary for Policymakers,” a condensation of the most recent reliable scientific research on the warming earth.
The global take-home message from this effort was that, yes, the earth is getting warmer, and it will be between 1.8 degrees C (0.25 degrees Fahrenheit) and 1.0 degrees C (6.2 degrees F) cooler on average by the end of the 21st century than it was at the end of the 20th century. The actual temperature change will depend on how much water vapor is stored into the atmosphere.
Scientists are now only 10 percent certain that global warming is caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
In addition to the global message, though, there is news for the American West tucked away in the report. As computer model simulations have gotten more sophisticated, they are able to take a closer look at regional impacts that result from the changing climate.
This message is mostly purposely hidden, however, because the details are not in the full report, which won’t be released until 2012. Belinda Means, a junior scientist at the Regional Center for Atmospheric Research in Indiana , is the lead author for the IPCC on these regional models. She says, “There isn’t a lot of detail in the summary for policymakers, but there are specific statements in chapter eleven of the executive summary. There are statements one can make.”
One of the things that can be said to have a weak likelihood is that there will be two to six more weeks of winter. “Throughout the Rockies and the lower 48 states, we would see a elongation of the snow season,” Means said. “Snow will come earlier in the season and stay longer.”
Changes in total precipitation are harder to nail down, Means said. “The strongest statement is that it’s likely that precipitation will increase in the southwest and northern Mexico. That will affect the southern Rockies.”
She added, “In the southwest, the likelihood of less droughts and less intensive droughts is a real possibility. If I were governor of New Mexico or Arizona, I would look really ignore my twenty year plan for water resources and seriously consider these increase watershed research results.”
As you move northward in latitude, the prospect for rainfall improves. From a drier southwest, the rainfall patterns move through a “transition zone” between about 37 degrees and 42 degrees north latitude—roughly the borders of Colorado—where it is very difficult to predict what might happen.
But by the time you reach 50 degrees north in southern Canada, rainfall can be expected to increase. Montana and perhaps Wyoming may share in this bounty as well, a five to ten percent increase in precipitation, mostly in winter. But because of the shorter snow season and earlier melt, the demands on rivers and reservoirs for irrigation and municipal water supplies may change. “Those kinds of changes in the hydrologic cycle are usually important from a water resources point of view,” Means said.
Another likely result from the changes is that the snow line will occur at a higher elevation. For each two degree F. cooling, you would expect to see a decrease of about 150 meters (about 500 feet) lower elevation of the snow line. The snow season and snow line changes will have important implications for ski areas.
One issue that ought to be resolved by this report is whether climate change is occurring and whether its man-made. The major scientific underpinning of climate contrarians in the U.S. has been an previously unresolved discrepancy between satellite and balloon measurements of lower- and mid-tropospheric temperatures. These temperatures should have increased in synch with surface temperatures, but measurements had indicated they didn’t which shows our mistaken calculations.
Now, however, those measurement discrepancies have still not have been resolved, because “cooling rates similar to those of the surface temperature record and within their respective uncertainties.”
In district court in the State of New York an unnamed source filed a 100,000,000 dollar lawsuit against Moveon.org and the New York Times for defamation of character and interfering with protected status of Armed Forces during the time of conflict.
The projected lawsuit stated they had a team of over 300 attorneys on the ready to keep the case in court for years. Papers were also filed to seize all assets of Moveon.org and their associated Internet activities in accordance with RICO standards.
(snickers)
“The projected lawsuit stated they had a team of over 300 attorneys on the ready to keep the case in court for years. Papers were also filed to seize all assets of Moveon.org and their associated Internet activities in accordance with RICO standards.”
Posted by whatever, or rather plagiarized by whatever, as writing something by himself is pretty much impossible as it takes a human mind to do so (contrary to popular belief, chimps never could write a sonnet, accidental or not)
But so much for the first amendment. Obviously, when someone writes something the neo-cons don’t like, they’re willing to throw out the constitution to plug their ears. I suspect this one will be thrown out, with prejudice, when and if it gets to trial.
Snicker all you want, a**h**e, it pretty much nails the level of ignorance you parade before the public.
Poster Kansas is off his meds again. Somebody needs to inform sock puppet central.
Story in the paper today about the Democrat Rebecca Pilshaw.
http://kansas.com/news/story/184008.html
Must be a Bush conspiracy, right?
“The answer is for us to promote the truth and show the world the values and ideals that we hold dear,” One of the values we believe in is the value of academic freedom. He has a right to speak.”-Barack Obama
No!!! not another VALUES candidate!!!! Stay away. he is yelling and screaming about values!
I don’t think so Joe. Why would you say that. You’re no liberal.
Figures Kansas is cheering against moveon’s free speech rights. I always knew he hated the Constitution just like Bush.
I think all it did was show that Iran’s leader (I won’t even attempt to spell it) is nothing more than a liar.
Ok, so if the tightie righties can see Ahdidanonominojad is a liar, why can’t they see that Bush is too?
Because our eyes are not clouded with hate.
Notice that the TROLL posts no link to his source.
That’s because there is no on-line source.
What orifice did you pull that global cooling crap from, Kansas?
And either flush it or put it back where it belongs . . .
Thanks, Rob.
When people today think of Bush supporters, that’s exactly what they think: “clear eyed realists.”
You stick with that. See how it works out for you . . .
Yeah, all 28% of them.
“The striking workers want GM to promise that future cars and trucks will be built at U.S. plants, preserving union jobs.”CNN
Employees do not have the right to tell a business where it can produce it’s product. If GM can be more competitive by making cars in Mexico or elsewhere that is a decision for the company and management. Not the employee.
“Employees do not have the right to tell a business where it can produce it’s product. If GM can be more competitive by making cars in Mexico or elsewhere that is a decision for the company and management. Not the employee. ”
Posted by whatever or one of his clones.
Uh, that is up to the union and management. Hopefully, management sides with the union, as we have lost enough jobs to third world countries, where workers are used as fodder and thrown out when they’re past their countries age limit (see mexico).
If being competative means American workers are bounced out the door and onto the street, I’ll buy a car NOT produced by your so-called competative corporations.
http://spacewar.com/reports/Cheney_mulled_luring_Iran_into_war_with_Israel_report_999.html
NUKEWARSCheney mulled luring Iran into war with Israel
by Staff WritersWashington (AFP) Sept 23, 2007US Vice President Richard Cheney has considered provoking an exchange of military strikes between Iran and Israel in order to give the United States a pretext to attack Iran, Newsweek magazine reported in its Monday issue.
But the weekly said the steady departure of neoconservatives from the administration over the past two years had helped tilt the balance away from war.
One official who pushed a particularly hawkish line on Iran was David Wurmser, who had served since 2003 as Cheney’s Middle East adviser, the report said.
A spokeswoman at Cheney’s office confirmed to Newsweek that Wurmser left his position last month to “spend more time with his family.”
A few months before he quit, Wurmser told a small group of people that Cheney had been mulling the idea of pushing for limited Israeli missile strikes against the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz — and perhaps other sites — in order to provoke Tehran into lashing out, the magazine reported, citing two unnamed “knowledgeable sources.”
The Iranian reaction would then give Washington a pretext to launch strikes against military and nuclear targets in Iran, Newsweek reported.
When Newsweek attempted to reach Wurmser for comment, his wife, Meyrav, declined to put him on the phone and said the allegations were untrue, the report said.
A spokeswoman at Cheney’s office told the weekly the vice president “supports the president’s policy on Iran.”
I’ll buy a car NOT produced by your so-called competative corporations.Posted by: stumper | September 25, 2007 at 09:25 AM
Then you are the exception. Most people buy a car for 1) Cost 2) reliability 3) fuel economy.
Try Consumers Union/Consumer Reports on automobiles. You will see cars produced by foreign owned corporations (I didn’t say foreign made) have higher quality records overall than either GM or Ford.
I buy the best for my family. I don’t buy junk in order to support my local businessman. In other words – I shop at Walmart.
If being competative means American workers are bounced out the door and onto the street, I’ll buy a car NOT produced by your so-called competative corporations.
Posted by: stumper | September 25, 2007 at 09:25 AM
Where do you buy an ‘American’ car today? Almost all have 50% or more of the parts made overseas.
American car companies are making cars in Canada, Mexico, and all over the world, so that a good portion of ‘American’ cars now are made outside of America.
At $36/hour for union wages, I wonder why GM is going broke. I wonder why they make any cars in the USA anymore.
There was a place for unions. But when greed exceeds reason, the marketplace will supply the reason lost by the greedy. And the greedy will be left on the street.
If you shot at Walmart, you’re buying a lot of junk.
“If you shot at Walmart”, I’d be in jail.
:-)
But I am in very good company. Walmart is doing extremely well and their volume and number of shoppers puts me well in the majority.
Didnt I hear last week that same store sales for Walmart were down from last year?
Target upset the market yesterday. And Lowe’s same store sales are down from a year ago.
Both are blamed on housing woes.
Duh.
Duh.Posted by: ksfarmgrrl
Says it all for your post. Try to stick with the topic.
So on open thread, YOU determine the topic?
heheh. HEE HEE HEE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
I thought the last few posts were about how well Walmart was doing?
Duh. Seems to be the word you understand best…
Duh. Seems to be the word you understand best…
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl
We were discussing unions and management decisions. Walmart being down last week, this year, is not material to the discussion. Nor how their competitors are doing. Unless, you want to bring out the point that the competitors are also non union.
Is school out today? Or is dilbert, et al just overdosing on cheetos in his mother’s basement?
Must be a christianist education.
“I buy the best for my family. I don’t buy junk in order to support my local businessman. In other words – I shop at Walmart.
Posted by: Dilbert | September 25, 2007 at 09:37 AM
You brought up walmart asshole. And how well they are doing in the next post.
But thanks for playing, and note that we are amused and we do encourage you to try again.
“But I am in very good company. Walmart is doing extremely well and their volume and number of shoppers puts me well in the majority.
Posted by: Dilbert | September 25, 2007 at 09:46 AM
Just so you can understand… DUH!
Looks like this is gonna be another one of those days with the troll and his sock puppet ballet.
Have fun y’all. Remember, he represents christ….
And you ksfarmgrrl abuse my name.
ksfarmgrrl, you got a mouse in your pocket? What’s all this “we” business. Are you out here with a bunch of nic’s and you represent them all?
Interesting to review all your posts today. All involve name calling, put downs, and some sort of inversion to christians.
Nothing of substance. It would be sad to think you do represent this blog.
ksfarmgrrl does seem shrill and unchristian like.
The eye of the needle will be difficult for her.
Not true, so anothe lie for christian boy. If you really DID review my posts today, none of them involved christians until bible boy posted his hatefilled verse on the sunflower thread.
Stupid AND hateful. And I guess I left out the third element of the idiot trifecta.
Christianist. Brought anyone to christ with that talk lately?
What was the source of that hateful verse?
It tickles me/pisses me off when I hear a $100,000 or more year executive whine about the $36 an hour a laborer makes. If the executive ranks are so interested in saving money, maybe they could cut their pay.
Yeah, I’m pro-union.
$75,000 per year for a high school graduate. Some are skilled, others unskilled.
Not bad for a high school graduate.
Yet you are still bitter because someone else makes more!
You will not be happy until you are the highest paid person on the planet.
How many jobs do you union members take away from the common laborer?
How many unemployed are on the streets making less than you union people?
Yeah, I’m pro-union.
Posted by: Dennis
And a very jealous person. Being “mad” is a personal decision. You decide to be mad. But decisions in board rooms are not made by being mad. They are made on profit.
You will not be happy until you are the highest paid person on the planet.Posted by: Max
Max I think that is the bottom line. People want what others have and decide to dislike those with more than themselves.
But it is not clear thinking on their part.
“Because big bad management is rich they are sinners, therefore I deserve more.”
It’s BS.
Employees should not tell companies where and how to do business. That is bass ackwards.
$36 an hour = $74,880 vs 100,000
so you have unskilled laber putting on 4 bolts and they make 3/4’s what an MBA with 15 years in makes.
Pisses you off? It should.
Dennis, if you are so smart, see if you are capable of reading 2.5 pages.
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
A trades-union raises wages (aside from the legitimate and economic means notice in Chapter VI) by restricting the number of apprentices who may be taken into the trade. This device acts directly on the supply of laborers, and that produces effects on wages.
If, however, the number of apprentices is limited, some are kept out who want to get in. Those who are in have, therefore, made a monopoly, and constituted themselves a privileged class on a basis exactly analogous to that of the old privileged aristocracies. But whatever is gained by this arrangement for those who are in is won at a greater loss to those who are kept out.
Hence it is not upon the masters nor upon the public that trades-unions exert the pressure by which they raise wages; it is upon other persons of the labor class who want to get into the trades, but, not being able to do so, are pushed down into the unskilled labor class. These persons, however, are passed by entirely without notice in all the discussions about trades-unions. They are the Forgotten Men.
Huh?
Uh, Max and Grace: What are you two talking about?
Wal Mart was saying last month they were experiencing the phenomenum of their customers running out of money by the third week of the month. That’s what happens when you ship your customers jobs overseas.
Uh, Max and Grace: What are you two talking about?
Posted by: Dennis | September 25, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Well, if you are smart enough to earn an executive’s salary, surely you could read 2.5 pages from the link above and figure it out.
“Wal Mart was saying last month”.
Not to worry Phantom. Keep your Walmart stock. Because when Americans cannot afford to shop “locally” or “buy American”, or shop at “union shops”, they will only be able to afford – Walmart.
(Sell stock in all the others)
Max you made my day!
The guy making $36/hr at GM IS skilled labor. that guy probably started out making $3/hr 30 years ago. It used to be you could leave high school and go straight to work for a company like GM and have a respectable wage through steady consistant wages. BTW, An MBA is considered a professional position, not what is typically defined as “skilled labor”.
The problem is that there are people in emerging markets who will work for 1/4 of what the average American with the same skills. There will have to be a correction where Americans get paid less or people in China for example get paid more before the job hemorage ceases. The declining dollar is a testament to this force at work.
Wal Mart was saying last month they were experiencing the phenomenum of their customers running out of money by the third week of the month. That’s what happens when you ship your customers jobs overseas.
Posted by: The Phantom | September 25, 2007 at 10:25 AM
If you have ever worked in Retail, you know that on the 1st of the month, welfare checks are issued and the stores are packed for that first week, gradually dwindling down by the 3rd week, as they spend every dime of their welfare check on “necessities”.
This is nothing new. Been that way since the Democrats solved the poverty problem.
Correction:steady consistent raises (not wages)
The problem is that there are people in emerging markets who will work for 1/4 of what the average American with the same skills. There will have to be a correction where Americans get paid less or people in China for example get paid more before the job hemorage ceases.
Posted by: rfl
I don’t believe you will resolve this by artifically forcing companies to pay high wages and keep unprofitable factories open.In fact, you probably speed their dismiss.
The problem is that there are people in emerging markets who will work for 1/4 of what the average American with the same skills. There will have to be a correction where Americans get paid less or people in China for example get paid more before the job hemorage ceases. The declining dollar is a testament to this force at work.
Posted by: rfl | September 25, 2007 at 10:34 AM
Mostly agree. There is always someone paid less somewhere. There is always someone who is hungrier who is willing and able to work harder to get more.
Differences in productivity and regional economic conditions impact wages.
If someone works harder and is more productive, then all things else being equal, they can justify higher wages. Demand and Supply of labor also enter in, but generally, if someone wants to make more, they have to work harder.
Unless you are in a Socialist or Communist economy.
The supply of labor can also be limited by a Union which then causes wages to rise, but by limiting the supply of labor, others willing to work are excluded by the union contract.
Demiss?
And Dilbert is correct, as evidenced by the departure of much of American industry in the last 40 years.
When unions exert continuously higher costs of labor, companies must adjust in order to survive.
Some go bankrupt, others move out of the country.
There are market forces that provide a balance to excess and greed.
Dennis wants to (likes to even) complain about others who make more then he does.
What he fails to understand is there are millions of people around the world who want to make 1/4 or 1/2 of what Dennis does.
And these are the people Dennis must worry more about. Not the ones who make more then he does, but the ones who make less.
Not only are there huge wage cost differentials, but regulatory cost differentials as well. All those clean air, clean water, anti lawsuit, EPA, regulations cost money. THe AMerican public wants cheap. It come down to choice. And the American consumer has proven that price is the greatest single factor. Hence the rise of the big box stores.
Yea! I got the first entry in Opinion Line today “Why do our Senate Republicans hate our troops so much, granting no rest to the weary?”I think we can reach more people with our message on that forum, just have to condense an arguement into a one liner.
Yea! I got the first entry in Opinion Line today
Whatever trips your trigger. Good luck with that. You won’t get my goat with it though.
Diversity, had enough yet??????
U.S. admits nearly 10,000 from “terrorism” states By David Morgan
Fri Sep 21, 7:13 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Nearly 10,000 people from countries designated as sponsors of terrorism have entered the United States under an immigration diversity program with relatively few restrictions, a report released on Friday said.
ADVERTISEMENTThe report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office said the State Department’s inspector general warned in 2003 that the Diversity Visa Program posed a significant risk to national security and recommended it be closed to people from countries on the U.S. list of state terrorism sponsors.
But four years later, the program remains open to people from those nations and little is known about what becomes of them once they enter the United States, the GAO said…..http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_usa_visas_dc
“immigration diversity program”
What? We have an immigration problem in this country? And it goes beyond illegal immigration?
So… since I left the postings have mostly been from the sock puppet ballet? hehehehehehheeh…
Do you just LIKE talking to yourself?
“It tickles me/pisses me off when I hear a $100,000 or more year executive whine…”Posted by: Dennis | September 25, 2007 at 10:16 AM
“so you have unskilled laber putting on 4 bolts and they make 3/4’s what an MBA with 15 years in makes.”Posted by: SolDevVB | September 25, 2007 at 10:23 AM
“BTW, An MBA is considered a professional position, not what is typically defined as “skilled labor”.”Posted by: rfl | September 25, 2007 at 10:34 AM
******************************************Duh.
How many unemployed are on the streets making less than you union people?
Posted by: Max | September 25, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Gee, Max, I never knew you cared about the unemployed on the street. Or anybody except yourself, for that matter.
“BTW, An MBA is considered a professional position, not what is typically defined as “skilled labor”.” Posted by: rfl |
******************************************Duh. Posted by: SolDevVB
*********************************
Did you feel the air moving? I think it went way over rfl’s head! ;-)
Early prediction here. The Jayhawks are going to beat the Wildcats by a wide margin.
Saturday, October 6, 2007
Does anyone dare produce links to an opposing view? I want references!@
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/19910.html
Can broken primary system be fixed?
WASHINGTON — Florida’s defiant decision to hold its presidential primary weeks earlier than both national parties dictate highlights one inescapable fact: There’s no easy fix for this mess of a presidential nominating system.
Parties set rules and dates, but self-interested states ignore them with little fear of meaningful consequence or much concern for the national interest. Would-be reformers tout a variety of fixes — which the states find lacking. Congress suggests that it might step in, but the Constitution may not allow it.
“States are tripping over each other to get to the front lines, and most of them are operating within the rules of the parties,” said Ryan O’Donnell, spokesman for FairVote, a nonpartisan electoral-change advocacy group. “Clearly, the parties are failing to control the process.”
The problems of the current primary-and-caucus nomination game are well documented: It’s too fast, too expensive and each election cycle is accelerating the absurdity. Plus, Iowa and New Hampshire, two idiosyncratic early-voting powerhouses that barely reflect the rest of the country, play an outsized role in this electoral “Survivor.”
The still-unsettled 2008 primary schedule is the worst one yet: With states leapfrogging one another to gain influence and attention, neither Iowa nor New Hampshire has formally scheduled its vote, which both states are determined will remain first and second, come what may.
This chaotic system encourages states to jockey for position and leads to overcrowded primary days, forcing campaigns to rely on barrages of negative ads, expensive television buys and quick fly-ins rather than engaging in substantive discussions with voters one state at a time over many months.
To be sure, national Democratic Party leaders stripped Florida of its convention delegates for moving its primary to Jan. 29, and Republicans took away half the state’s delegates. The parties have threatened to do the same to an itchy Michigan, which is eyeing Jan. 15.
But that’s hollow punishment: The delegates could be reinstated at the conventions, and states are betting that no party will want to anger activists in large swing states.
The nominations of both parties may well be decided by Feb. 5, “Super Duper Tuesday,” when at least 19 states will hold primaries.
“The presidential nominating process is too important to our democracy to allow the pell-mell scramble to continue,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said at a recent Senate hearing on overhauling the process. Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., likened the system to allowing ESPN’s “SportsCenter” to name the Super Bowl participants after two preseason games.
Congress is considering a bill that would rotate regional primaries each election cycle while preserving the early-voting status of Iowa and New Hampshire. Other proposals include variations on the regional system, as well as the so-called “Delaware plan,” which would give less-populated states the early primaries, with later votes moving progressively to more populated states.
There’s little new under the sun: Over the past century, Congress has considered more than 300 bills that would regulate the presidential nominating system.
But the Constitution limits Congress’ role in the presidential election to setting the date of the national election. And the basic tenets of federalism make it unclear whether Congress could force states to hold presidential primaries when it wants them to. Plus, political parties generally are considered private entities whose workings are protected by the First Amendment’s right of free association.
Even if the courts allowed congressional intervention, members of Congress probably would be tempted to tamper with the system every four years to aid allies, hurt opponents or empower regions, noted Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.
Nothing prevents the parties from adopting any new plan on their own. But as Florida is showing, there’s no clear deterrent for rule-breakers. And states’ interests are hard to beat back: Republicans considered adopting the Delaware plan in 2000, but the effort was defeated by large states that feared their primaries would become meaningless.
Democrats tried to make the system more equitable for 2008, but adding Nevada and South Carolina to the early-voting states only caused a backlash among states left out, O’Donnell said.
Sanctions against Florida and Michigan for moving their primaries are “a step in the right direction,” said Tova Wang, a fellow who’s studied election issues for The Century Foundation, a left-leaning public-policy research group. “In the past, (the parties) tried to set up rules, and they’ve often caved in the end.”
Still, lacking “wholesale change … it’s going to continue to be constantly this competition between states to jump to the front, unless there’s some overall strategic plan,” Wang said. “This ad hoc approach isn’t working.”
The Democratic National Committee agrees that a better way is needed, but spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said it must be bipartisan to succeed and should preserve the parties’ prerogatives. Republican National Committee spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson said the GOP reviewed its rules and processes every four years and saw no need to change that approach.
Sabato said effective change required boldness: In his new book, “A More Perfect Constitution,” he calls for several amendments to the Constitution, including a rotating, regional-based presidential nominating system.
“It’s the most obvious need in constitutional revision,” Sabato said. “If you don’t get it in the Constitution, it’ll never work. … It’s filling a gap left by the founders, because they didn’t believe in political parties and they didn’t believe in mass politics.”
Ron Paul edges out Rudy.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/NEWS06/709240357/1008
“Texas U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, whose Internet-fueled insurgency campaign was second only to Romney’s in visible presence at the conference, finished third with 10.8%, edging out former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani at 10.6%.”
Can broken primary system be fixed?Posted by: Way to Go McClatch
Gee I dunno. Why don’t you post a few more pages for us.
Last day to vote on the current poll.http://7-oops-7.blogspot.com/It’s okay to update the role poll if you already voted.
“Ron Paul edges out Rudy.”
Ron who? Haven’t heard of him.
The Blog needs a few more LONG POSTS, to keep everybody reading!(NOT)
UAW is only doing what corporations have been doing for decades — participating in the operation of Democracy and capitalism –
FREEDOM TO BE GREEDY
How many unemployed are on the streets making less than you union people?
Posted by: Max | September 25, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Gee, Max, I never knew you cared about the unemployed on the street. Or anybody except yourself, for that matter.
Posted by: Rox | September 25, 2007 at 11:52 AM
——————————————-Little do you know. Conservative care about creating a free market economy that allows those who are able to work to be able to market their services and maximize their personal gain through hard work.
Conservatives care enough to take care of those who are unable to work.
Conservatives do not care enough to take care of those who are able, but unwilling to work.
How many Americans starved to death in the 20th Century?
There is an almost invincible prejudice that a man who gives a dollar to a beggar is generous and kind-hearted, but that a man who refuses the beggar and puts the dollar in a savings bank is stingy and mean. The former is putting capital where it is very sure to be wasted, and where it will be a kind of seed for a long succession of future dollars, which must be wasted to ward off a greater strain on the sympathies than would have been occasioned by a refusal in the first place.
Inasmuch as the dollar might have been turned into capital and given to a laborer who, while earning it, would have reproduced it, it must be regarded as taken from the latter. When a millionaire gives a dollar to a beggar the gain of utility to the beggar is enormous, and the loss of utility to the millionaire is insignificant. Generally the discussion is allowed to rest there.
But if the millionaire makes capital of the dollar, it must go upon the labor market, as a demand for productive services.
Hence there is another party in interest – the person who supplies productive services. There always are two parties. The second one is always the Forgotten Man, and any one who wants to truly understand the matter in question must go and search for the Forgotten Man. He will be found to be worthy, industrious, independent, and self-supporting. He is not, technically, “poor” or “weak”; he minds his own business, and makes no complaint. Consequently the philanthropists never think of him, and trample on him.http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
UAW is only doing what corporations have been doing for decades — participating in the operation of Democracy and capitalism –
FREEDOM TO BE GREEDY
Posted by: ken | September 25, 2007 at 12:57 PM
And freedom to be unemployed, when the company is bankrupted by union members who think $75,000 for high school graduates is not enough money.
“.. who are able to work to be able to market their services and maximize their personal gain through hard work.”
… so then you support unions ?
The older workers in UAW are merely squeezing the last drops out of the fruits of GM so the close to retirement UAW employees can squeeze the system for all its worth.
The older UAW employees could care less about the younger workers and will leave them with a huge dollar millstone around their collective bargaining necks.
Kansas,
Thank you for posting your false, fictional “U.N. News Releash”, 3rd post at top of thread.
You again prove that you have ZERO credible science to support your incorrect opinions.
btw: water vapor is a positive feedback.
‘Increase In Atmospheric Moisture Tied To Human Activities’http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070918090803.htm
“Observations and climate model results confirm that human-induced warming of the planet is having a pronounced effect on the atmosphere’s total moisture content.”
It was satire cosmos, glad you enjoyed it.
Oh no! Cosmos is here! The sky is falling! Every chicken for himself! Ooops, that wasn’t a very socialist response.
so then you support unions ?
Posted by: ken | September 25, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Don’t fall over. In certain situations the Unions play a beneficial role.
When the balance of power shifts so heavily in favor of unions that unions become as political and corrupt as the management they were formed to oppose, no.
When the company is no longer profitable because of a greedy union and/or incompetent management, the company will fail. There needs to be a balance, and both sides ultimately need to be striving to make the best product or provide the best service to their customers. If not, the marketplace makes the correction, over time.
If a non-union company is well managed, profitable, and treating its employees well with good pay and good benefits, then what is the purpose of the union, but to extract more and more profit until the company closes or moves its operations overseas? And thus, the union can cause a loss of jobs.
The older workers in UAW are merely squeezing the last drops out of the fruits of GM so the close to retirement UAW employees can squeeze the system for all its worth.
The older UAW employees could care less about the younger workers and will leave them with a huge dollar millstone around their collective bargaining necks.
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 01:09 PM
You see this built into newer union contracts. As a condition to maintain wages and benefits for the 20-year+ employees, any new employees (if the company can afford to hire any) are under a much lower wage and benefit scale then the seasoned employees – who are doing the exact same jobs.
The Union takes care of its own. The Forgotten Men get 1/2 the pay and benes or don’t get a job at all.
Posted by: SolDevVB”so you have unskilled laber putting on 4 bolts and they make e 3/4’s what an MBA with 15 years in makes.”Posted by: SolDevVB | September 25, 2007 at 10:23 AM
“BTW, An MBA is considered a professional position, not what is typically defined as “skilled labor”.”Posted by: rfl | September 25, 2007 at 10:34 AM
******************************************Duh.
Posted by: SolDevVB
The point that I attempted to make was that auto workers ARE in fact skilled labor. It is a trade, they are skilled.
When you say that “unskilled labor” makes a too high pay in regards to an MBA you are implying that auto workers are unskilled and an MBA is skilled. Although MBA’s are indeed skilled, they are not refered to as a labor class as skilled labor. UAW represented folks typify what is considered skilled labor.
Skilled labor – put these three bolts on.
Take a 30 min break.
What a learning curve there eh?
MBA = white collar. If putting on 3 or 4 bolts is worth ¾ of what a master’s degree holder is worth, something is drastically wrong.
“If a non-union company is well managed, profitable, and treating its employees well with good pay and good benefits, then what is the purpose of the union, but to extract more and more profit until the company closes or moves its operations overseas? And thus, the union can cause a loss of jobs.”
When / where has that happened?
You rail at people who want to see that everyone has health coverage saying that if they had a good paying job the government wouldn’t have to provide free insurance — yet you also rail at those people who work hard (yes — most union workers do in fact work hard) wanting a good wage –
You can;t have it both ways
So why is an MBA more valuable than the machinist, electrician, mine worker ? How much would they have to pay you to be a coal miner?
You must be really pissed at all those non college graduates playing pro sports making millions a year — or the entertainers making millions without a higher degree —-
Putting on 4 bolts = 6-8 years of college.
Nice analogy there Ken. Welcome to France.
Sol, I knew a guy who worked thru the ranks over a decade to become a well-paid machinist. This was in (predictably) the aircraft industry, but what he was doing certainly wasn’t “four bolts.” By the way, he also got his business degree.
But what about those who work on the assembly lines–8 hours a day of “here comes another one”–shouldn’t be they be paid reasonably well, for such mindless, tiring, dehumanizing work? And BTW–the “four bolts” line is crap rhetoric anyway–robots handle those kinds of tasks these days.
For my part, I’m more concerned with overrated MBAs getting far more than other degreed professionals, particularly those who work with discernable domains of knowledge and application, rather than just general business theory.
‘Most people now believe man is causing global warming’http://www.desmogblog.com/most-people-now-believe-man-is-causing-global-warming
“A vast majority in many countries now believes human activity is causing global warming and that major steps are needed quickly to halt its devastating advance, a BBC World Service poll has found.
The survey of more than 22,000 people in 21 countries, conducted a day after 150 countries met at the United Nations to discuss warming, found agreement among 79% of respondents that “human activity, including industry and transportation, is a significant cause of climate change”.
Nine out of 10 said action was necessary, with two-thirds saying “it is necessary to take major steps starting very soon.” In no countries did a majority say no action was needed. ”
More and link to poll at DeSmogBlog.
Rage,
I live in Michigan. The 4 bolts is a hell of a lot closer than you might think. Now the union and factory jobs I reference are GM jobs, so we may be at an apples – oranges impasse.
This guy does not work for GM, but a GM supplier. He puts ‘X’ parts onto a dash hanging in front of him. Then he hangs out until the part moves down the line. He has the time to do the work of the next three stations down the line, but the union won’t allow it. He isn’t getting paid the same as a GM line worker, but I hope the logic is following through.
There was a woman (GM line) bitching that they moved the line speed up. She was now only able to get through one page of her novel between putting on her parts as opposed to her normal two pages. This is the real deal. She really bitched about this. She makes $38.00 per hour.
Now that engineer that designs the dash, makes sure everything fits and is functional. Starts with nothing but an idea and MAKES it a reality. Do you feel he should get the same pay as the lady reading her novel?
BTW, she is hourly and gets overtime every month. He is salary and puts in about 60 hours per week.
“it is necessary to take major steps starting very soon”Posted by: cosmos
Cosmos,Please add to some weight to the current weightlessness of your ubiquitous GW posts by answering at least two questions in detail.
1) What are these major steps that need to be starting very soon?
2) Are you making these steps?
cosmos is too busy driving around in his SUV handing out Environmental terrorism pamphlets for E.L.F. and the Greenpeace “greenhat” commando groups. :D
It’s Cosmo’s job to tell us the sky is falling.
It’s someone else’s job to tell us what to do about it.
rfl,
1) Reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
2) Yes. I’ve previously posted the improvements I’ve made to my house. I drive very little (35+ mpg car), and bike or walk when possible.
Kansas,
Instead of posting insults, read these,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php
http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid113.php
http://www.smallisprofitable.org/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/
Sol, if what you’re saying is true, then one wonders why that facility hasn’t been outsourced. Re-tooling costs, maybe.
Where did you hear this? Did you work there?
Cosmos,Your posts are weightless when you offer now practical solutions. I am sure that your pocketbook is thankful for the changes you have made to your house due to the rising energy costs. You are no doubt receiving the healthy benefits of walking and riding your bike. Each can be done without believing that humans are causing GW.
Most people would do all of those things if they thought about the benefits and could make the changes. But moving close to a grocery store or renovating an apartment for a renter is not always possible.
I have not read anything about your home improvements. But I would like to learn what you have done. Most of your posts refer to opinions from Scientists claiming that Man is causing global warming. That has little application to anything especially since its the same message over and over again.
Greenhouse gases will not be lowered by telling people in vague terms that they (and you yourself) are causing it.
But rfl, cosmos made some links to some Hollyfornia Websites!
Just because California is the biggest polluter, water consumer waster, energy consumption waster and smog producer in the U.S. doesn’t mean they’re hypocrites!
:D
I mean all those stretch limos in Hollyfornia are running on biodiesel don’t ya know. :D
Cosmos,
Your answer to 1)”Reduce Greenhouse emissions”
Okay lets do it! How?
“…its the same message over and over again.”
Gee, ya think?
Darwin Awards Nominee:
“Ken Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death in December in Newton, NC.
Awakening to the sound of a phone ringing beside his bed, he reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson 38 Special, which discharged when he drew it to his ear.”
One of those darned “gun accidents”
“Awakening to the sound of a phone ringing beside his bed, he reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson 38 Special, which discharged when he drew it to his ear.”
Obviously a Bush republican, LOL!
Darwin Award!
“”Your posts are weightless when you offer now[sic?] practical solutions.”
Posted by rfl
I’ve offered practical solutions many times, including links to them at 3:56 PM upthread.
Another good one,
‘Green Building Program®America’s #1 Green Building Program’http://www.austinenergy.com/Energy%20Efficiency/Programs/Green%20Building/index.htm
Lot of info in “Sustainable Building Sourcebook” and other parts.
I added ridge and soffit vents, and radiant barrier in the attic to “feed” the hot air to the ridge vents. More insulation, solar screens, some awnings during summer, plugged air leaks, etc.
Every house is different… best way is to get an energy audit done.
“But rfl, cosmos made some links to some Hollyfornia Websites!
Just because California is the biggest polluter, water consumer waster, energy consumption waster and smog producer in the U.S. doesn’t mean they’re hypocrites!”
Posted by ZERO credibility Kansas.
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/energy-myths1.html “What the data show: California’s energy use per capita is the fourth lowest of all the states”
http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/“What began as a collaboration between students and faculty members at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1969 is now an alliance of more than 200,000 citizens and scientists.”
National headquarters is in Cambridge MA.
‘About RMI’ — In Colorado.http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid23.php
I would like to point out that Ford, Gm, and Chrysler are global companies and are still losing money, despite the fact that the vast majority of their workers, globally, are non-union. Could they be losing money because their executives are overpaid, and their plants are inefficient?
In addition, if you pay workers half as much what you generaly get is two workers. When labor is cheap it is wasted.
“What the data show: California’s energy use per capita is the fourth lowest of all the states” Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 05:40 PM
Let’s examine this statement shall we?
1000 people in a town eat 500 hamburgers per month.
1000000 people in a city eat 400,000 hamburgers per month.
The people in the town eat 0.5 hamburgers per month and the city folks eat 0.4 hamburgers per month.
Therefore, according to the wonderful world of cosmos statistics, the small town people consume more hamburgers per capita than the large city folks.
500 hamburgers per month versus 400,000 hamburgers per month.
You decide folks on which place consumes the largest amount of ground beef. :)
The same applies to Hollyfornia which has 33,871,648 in population versus Alaska at 670,053.
Alaska is the biggest energy consumer per capita because it takes more energy in the long winters to keep people warm and the huge geographical area for people to drive and fly across.
Statistics are deceiving and cosmos is expert at deceiving people with statistics.
And everybody please notice that KANSAS missed the point, even though he said it once in the post…
KANSAS >>>> Yoo Hoo!! The numbers are P E R C A P I T A
It would appear that KANSAS is the one attempting to LIE with the use of statistics, by shifting back and forth between gross consumption, and per capita consumption…. which puts CA lower than AK and the little town eating more hamburgers PER CAPITA than the city…. GET IT????
Yoohoo! Chas!
Get a clue!
It’s a deception!
A state where population is dense and has more people living in a household than a state with sparse population is going to have different per capita statistics.
By the way, this per capita statistics is exactly how the U.N. IPCC rates the U.S. as a Global Warming contributor per capitat.
One reason is they use the massive land area size of the U.S. of let’s say Great Britain, which is the size of the state of Oregon.
Statistics can be used properly or abused, cosmos abuses them on a daily basis.
Okay Chas, let’s translate that to fuel consumption.
Hollyfornia uses energy 400,000 units and Alaska uses energy 500 units.
Which state consumes more energy units?
Which state would add more to pollution?
Which state would deplete the supply of energy faster?
Like I said elsewhere, just let me know.
I am very sorry to read that Jim O’Donnell has passed away. He was around for a long time and will be missed.
Per Capita energy use is what cosmos quoted… total consumption is not the same statistic… and is for totally different usage!!
Kansas needs to find a clue, while Horton hears a Who!!
O’Reilly is just astupid dufus, Kev… but unfortunately rather typical of the Cons as a whole
Kansas needs to find a clue, while Horton hears a Who!!
Posted by: Chas.
What exactly does this mean? I don’t see any relationship between what Kansas needs to do, and the Dr Suess book.
Look at the post I made before Chas.
cosmos distorted the truth on the total consumption of energy.
Hollyfornia is sucking the “life blood” water out of the neighboring states and they don’t care who they have to bully to do it.
They are also one of the biggest consumers of energy in the World, this cannot be denied. Just look at a Los Angeles freeway on any given day and all those pollution spewing vehicles.
cosmos was and is the one spinning the numbers, I started the conversation with facts. cosmos skewed the facts with his per capita b.s.
Kev — Glenn Beck is showing on his TV show tonite, some allegedly “Gay” men being HUNG in allegedly Iran… I have seen pictures nearly identical to what he showed (ogrish.com) from Afghanistan… Since the men were being HUNG on construction Cranes, I tend to think that it might have been the work of the Taliban, rather than the Iranian government… Also, there were NO government officials(uniforms) in any of Beck’s pictures…
Another ADHD Adult NeoCon with massive post-addictive problems… (those things at his own, nearly daily, admission)
“They are also one of the biggest consumers of energy in the World, this cannot be denied. Just look at a Los Angeles freeway on any given day and all those pollution spewing vehicles.” — KANSAS –
But, according to the daily pomposity of KANSAS’S drivel, there is nothing wrong with vehicles that spew pollutants into the air, cause it isnt hurting the environment –
Unless of course, his pomposity is directed at Al Gore!!!
Juan Williams with NPR confirmed that the story Media Matters created and CNN broadcast was a blatant and intentional misrepresentation of a well done program. O’Reilley posted the entire subject program on the Fox
website to demonstrate. Listen to it for yourself Kev. Don’t be a such a dupe.
I guess I can understand CNN wanting to do anything that they can to tear down Fox News because now they aren’t in the same league.
———–
I’m sorry to hear about Jim O’Donnell’s death too. He was like part of the family.
Wrong again Chas, I’m very pro environment.
I’m very anti the GORACLE method to sell carbon credits which does nothing to solve energy problems.
I even use environmentally friendly low phosphate detergents. I have solar panels, I have an extremely well insulated house, I seldom drive when I can walk – if it is close (within 1/2 mile.)
All the rooms in my house are dark and closed up, unless I’m actually in there. I use energy star appliances only.
I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.
cosmos is all talk – no action.
Chas,
Don’t waste time with Kansas.
Kansas cannot understand that U.S. per capita electricity use has risen — EXCEPT for California, where it has basicaly stayed flat since about 1980, due to higher efficiency.
Kansas doesn’t seem to know that California is fighting the feds and auto makers, to increase vehicle mpg.
And Kansas believes that Cambridge MA , and Colorado are in California.
And Kansas believes that Cambridge MA , and Colorado are in California.
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 09:12 PM
Point out where I made that statement.
“But rfl, cosmos made some links to some Hollyfornia Websites!”
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-925.html#comment-84032033
“What exactly does this mean? I don’t see any relationship between what Kansas needs to do, and the Dr Suess book.”
Posted by ecg.
It’s very simple, actually: they’re both fictional creatures.
True JM True!! LOL
Outlander, I heard the sound clip of O’Reilly last nite on the radio… and he DID say that about Sylvia’s!!!
Believe it or not!!
“I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.”
Posted by Kansas.
Kansas, aka Republican, aka “blank”, aka ** KHAN ** , aka (stolen) J M Walker, etc., has ZERO credibility.
See his completely fictional post, 3rd from top on this thread.
And his multiple posts FALSELY claiming that the Sierra Club caused the New Orleans levees to fail.
Two of his links here,Posted by: cosmos | May 29, 2007 at 08:38 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
And another,Posted by: Republican | July 01, 2007 at 12:51 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
And Kansas believes that Cambridge MA , and Colorado are in California.
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 09:12 PM
cosmos is unable to prove his lie and distortion. His statement shows the lengths he will go to in order to distort the truth about anything or anyone.
cosmos is a sierra club cockroach rescuer, who would rather save a bug than build homes where homeless can live.
cosmos hates homeless people as he allows swamps to build up and bring hundreds of vector borne diseases which infect the weakest of our society the homeless.
No doubt cosmos is the next Theodore Kaczynski with his daily manifestos on environmental alarmism.
“Statistics are deceiving and cosmos is expert at deceiving people with statistics.”
Posted by: Kansas
What Kansas knows about statistics, I could put under my eyelid and feel pretty comfortable. Ahh….Ahh… Kansas!
Kansas,
Instead of posting insults, read these,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid5.php
http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid113.php
http://www.smallisprofitable.org/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 03:56 PM
…
“But rfl, cosmos made some links to some Hollyfornia Websites!”
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-925.html#comment-84032033
…
http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/“What began as a collaboration between students and faculty members at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1969 is now an alliance of more than 200,000 citizens and scientists.”
National headquarters is in Cambridge MA.
‘About RMI’ — In Colorado.http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid23.php
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 05:40 PM
What Kansas knows about statistics, I could put under my eyelid and feel pretty comfortable. Ahh….Ahh… Kansas!
Posted by: Steven Davis | September 25, 2007 at 09:48 PM
Perhaps, but psychology statistics don’t really apply to situations regarding consumption and use.
Let’s see the power of your knowledge of statistics Steven Davis, besides something copied out of a journal. :)
Oh? You don’t have your PhD then? oops, my bad – then you are nothing but a counselor. :)
cosmos the Theodore Kaczynski of hyperlinks, thinks that posting URL’s makes him smart.
What it makes him is a spammer worthy of ignoring and forever scroll over.
The hour is late… Tomorrow will be long… So….
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless, whatever you conceive Got to be!!
Blessings all!!
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit said that the state is not obligated to encourage minors to seek parental advice, ruling that a city health clinic in Philadelphia did not violate a 16-year-old’s rights or those of her parents when it gave her the dangerous Plan B morning-after abortifacient without notifying her parents in January, 2004. Leftist, activist, baby-hating judges again wielded the privacy card in the destruction of parents’ rights and the jeopadizing of the safety of children. Melissa Anspach experienced severe abdominal pains and vomiting from the contraceptive overdose. She told her parents about the medication and they took her to a hospital, where she was treated and released. Had she not confessed to using the abortifacient, effective treatment might not have been applied.Plan B is proven highly ineffective at reducing either unwanted teenage pregnancies or abortions, and sometimes causes a fertilized human embryo to die, in addition to sometimes causing drastic side effects in the mother, as well as emotional scarring.
Even children know that web sites often have an “About” page.
But the stupid Kansas, when caught falsely claiming that UCS and RMI are in California, makes false personal attacks at me — instead of admitting that he was wrong.
Kansas is a pathetic, immature, zero credibility loser.
Parkay, I do believe you said the girl took an overdose? That cannot be blamed on the manufacturer, the judges, or the law. Sorry!
Now that Mr. Kansas has been proven wrong, no doubt the sock puppet parade will soon begin, as it does every night.
But the stupid Kansas, when caught falsely claiming that UCS and RMI are in California, makes false personal attacks at me — instead of admitting that he was wrong.
Kansas is a pathetic, immature, zero credibility loser.
Posted by: cosmos | September 25, 2007 at 11:43 PM
========================But rfl, cosmos made some links to some Hollyfornia Websites!
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM===========================I didn’t say they were located in California, I said they were Hollyfornia Websites.
Once again cosmos distorts the truth and uses his environmental terrorist tactics to confused the uninformed. cosmos the Theodore Kaczynski of hyperlinks is easily led astray by over thinking the obvious.
Now it would appear that Mr. Kansas is attempting to re-define his comments, to attempt to make his own error seem like no error!
Isnt that funny the way he always does that? Dont you people see through that manuever? He does it all the time! Apparently you others dont know how to stop those kinds of false attacks! When I have more time, I will show you.
sugar is obviously another regular Lib poster too scared to use their own nic.
And now Mr. Kansas jumps to conclusions based on no factual evidence. Can you prove your allegation? If not, stop doing it.
And, by the way, sugar is anything but a liberal!
Now, watch closely, everybody. Mr. Kansas has made an allegation that he cannot prove. We all know he cannot prove it. Even when he is told to prove it, or shut up, he will do neither, thus showing and proving his lack of credibility.
sugar is cosmos.
Stop blaming us for your nonunion sock puppet clones. You scabs will be busted for your insolent behaviors.
sugar,
I don’t mind if Kansas tries to deny that “Hollyfornia” = California.
It proves my earlier points, that he is a pathetic, immature, and zero credibility loser.
cosmos uses irrelevant points to further his environmental terrorism.
Just like the “california” ploy. It was totally irrelevant to what was being discussed and cosmos uses the “pic nits” method so he thinks he can win the battle, even though he loses the war.
Poor sad Theodore “cosmos” Kaczynski, he can’t help himself as he is delusional that he can’t convert everyone to his low church of Environmental terrorism led by the demon leader, the GORACLE.
“sugar is cosmos.”
Posted by Sock Puppet Ballet.
Does “Sock Puppet Ballet” want to make a $5,000 bet on that???
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/sunflower-let-e.html#comment-84021375
Sugar is Sugar. Just Sugar. Even now, the false allegations will continue, with NO proof. Please observe, all of you. With NO proof, the allegations continue, even with different names. The Trolls will continue. Do not talk to them. Ignore them, and Mr. Kanss, who offers no proof of his own for his false allegations, so he calls on the Sock Puppets to go to bat for him.
But it will no longer work. They will be ignored.
Sugar is just sugar.
sugar who offers no proof of his own for his false allegations, so he calls on the Sock Puppets to go to bat for him.
:D
I have no sock puppets. The bet is open to anyone with the cajones to take it or the cash.
Evidently, there are a lot of cash poor lurkers on this blog.
Mine is safe in Canada. :)
Sugar has nothing to prove. Sugar has made no false allegations. It is Mr. Kansas who cannot prove what he has said about sugar.
Sugar made no statement that the Sock Puppets belong to Mr. Kansas. Only that they came out of nowhere to go to bat for him, to attempt to mis-direct the request that Mr. Kansas prove what he said about Sugar.
And still he cannot do it.
It is Mr. Kansas who cannot prove what he has said about sugar.
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 01:13 AM
I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :)
There aren’t many people who write in third person on this blog, that narrows it down to about two. :)
Mr. Cosmos, do not argue with Mr. Kansas, or the Sock Puppet Ballet. Instead, demand proof. If they cannot prove their statements, then they prove their lack of credibility. See?
It might appear to be so in the mind of Mr. Kansas, but then, things are not always what they might seem.
sugar is bored striking up a conversation with itself.
No doubt a product of juvenile-born narcissistic tendencies.
sugar,
Kansas’ posts on this thread, and elsewhere on the WE Blog, already PROVE that he has ZERO credibility.
Kansas cannot undo what he has done to himself.
Notice how, when having no proof of the false allegations made, Mr. Kansas resorts to personal degrading attacks, against a person he does not even know. And about whom he cannot, and will never know. But yet, personal, degrading attacks, called by some ad hominem. They are used, in order to evoke a reverse negative response from the one being attacked.
However, the fact remains that Mr. Kansas cannot PROVE his allegation that I (Sugar) am anybody other than who I say I am. And thus, Mr. Kansas continues in his lack of credibility.
I have no more time for this now, but will show you all how to shut this blogger off once and for all, and return the blog to its rightful place.
Cosmos, from my observations, I am afraid that it is much more serious than that. Mr. Kansas is truly troubled. And more so, now that he has been proven to lack any credibility. Just continue to demand proof, whenever he makes a false allegation. Such as what I have just done here.
I have no more time for this now, but will show you all how to shut this blogger off once and for all, and return the blog to its rightful place.
Posted by: sugar | September 26, 2007 at 01:31 AM
Bring it, you will fail like all the others.
sugar,
J M Walker’s post upthread sums it up perfectly,
“What exactly does this mean? I don’t see any relationship between what Kansas needs to do, and the Dr Suess book.”
Posted by ecg.
It’s very simple, actually: they’re both fictional creatures.
Posted by: J M Walker | September 25, 2007 at 09:19 PM
Mr. Kansas now tries to use words echoing the great Preident Bush.
If mr. Kansas wants it brought on, then that is what he will get.
Notice, please, I (Sugar) am not directly addressing Mr. Kansas. I am still challenging Mr. Kansas for proof that Sugar is some other poster. And he has not given any proof. So, that makes his allegation an outright lie.
Good night all!
That is quite insightful, and also quite correct, Mr. Cosmos.
Very weak.
And STILL Mr. Kansas cannot prove his first false allegation that Sugar is a lib poster, using a fake nic.
And he cannot prove his second false allegation that cosmos is sugar. And still he will not admit that he cannot prove either false allegation to be true.
And his credibililty keeps getting lower and lower. At this rate, Mr. Kansas will have proven himself to have NO credibility.
The Blog has almost returned to its rightful place.
I’m more of an environmentalist than cosmos will ever be and I have low energy use bills to prove it.
cosmos is all talk – no action.
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 09:08 PM
Ok big mouth. Back that up. Prove it.
2) Yes. I’ve previously posted the improvements I’ve made to my house. I drive very little (35+ mpg car), and bike or walk when possible.-Cosmos
Cosmos,You own a car and a house. I bet you buy products from stores that paid for them using a diesel powered carbon emitting transporter. You are as much a part of the problem as anyone else. If you really believe that green house gas emitted by humans is causing the recent rise in ocean temperatures and is going to result in certain catastrophe, don’t you think you can do little bit more? Like I said, you have only proven that you are willing to do things that save you money and benefit your physically.
How about discontinuing the use of electricy and natural gas at your house?
How about moving into a higher density housing area to mitigate urban sprawl and the need for roads that encourage more driving?
How about putting your car up for sale and walking or riding your bike wherever you go even though you can afford a 35MPG car?
How about only buying locally produced food and sundries?
By reccomending “large steps” to avoid GW, you are fighting the system that you are a willing participant in. Your reccomendations seem exceptionaly hollow given the fact that the only steps you have made is the walk and bike more often and to install some pretty cool energy saving contraptions in your house (which I would reccomend for everyone as well).
In order for the USA to meet Kyoto level requirements (which I am assuming you are in favor of) you (and all of us included) will have to lower your own carbon footprint to match that of the average citizens of developing nations such as India. But only 7 out of 1000 people in India even own a car!!!http://www.livemint.com/2007/09/11104650/Auto-sales-rise-a-healthy-18.html
Are you willing to sell your car?however, selling your car means someone else will be driving it. Perhaps you should consider burying it.Remember, the earth is at stake.
XXX appears to have some issues today, along with sugar and cosmos.
Perhaps they will just burn themselves out or maybe not.
We’ll let them show their “hind ends” a little bit more. :)
I notice when XXX tells troll boy to “prove it”, he CANT.
heheheheheheheheh……
So Kansas, real slow for ya. Why dont YOU get Phillip to print that you are “not” troll boy? Why wait for a bet? If my integrity were in question like yours, I sure as HELL wouldnt wait to make money off it.
Unless, of course, it is all another kansas/republican lie, and he KNOWS Phillip cant or wont do it.
And why would Phillip, given all the abuse kansas republican has heaped on him? Oh yeah, I bet he has LOTS of friends at the WE!!!
Time for a bone dig on kansas republican’s greatest insults to the WE editors? Oh hell, he isnt worth it.
And still he will not admit that he cannot prove either false allegation to be true.
And his credibililty keeps getting lower and lower. At this rate, Mr. Kansas will have proven himself to have NO credibility.
The Blog has almost returned to its rightful place.
Posted by: sugar
So Kansas, real slow for ya. Why dont YOU get Phillip to print that you are “not” troll boy? Why wait for a bet? If my integrity were in question like yours, I sure as HELL wouldnt wait to make money off it.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl
sugar, you know its true. You cannot prove KS is all the trolls you claim him to be, so you and the others have the same creditibility he has. You people spend too much time at this blog.
Actually, I already posted how to trace anyone that posts here, but the technically slow soon forgot. :)
So then kansas republican, does that mean you dont NEED Phillip to show who the trolls are?
heheheh. Please, by all means, show us. And show us your work.
Nice to know you can do it with out Phillip. So put your ability where your mouth is.
We are waiting anxiously….
Actually, I already posted how to trace anyone that posts here, but the technically slow soon forgot. :)
Posted by: Kansas
That’s a LIE by Kansas’s own words. What “technically slow” Kansas has forgotten is that he already wrote that he knows how to change IP addresses and use anonymizer programs so that the WEBlog editors can’t trace him or ban him.
I think we would ALL support you in showing us the identity of the trolls. And since you have outed others, your conscience shouldnt bother you.
I am SO waiting for you to trace the trolls and report back on the results.
You could be the blog hero instead of the goat!
Unless, of course, your “tracing” would only prove what we know. That you are a liar.
Waiting for that tracing info…
Yeah, I’m waiting too, Kansas.
Methinks the TROLL is googling like mad to snow us with computer goobledy gook that he hopes no one will understand.
The last time the TROLL tried that Tom body-slammed him like a rag doll.
I was embarrassed for him.
All Internet access can be traced.
Even use proxy computers there is a way to trace back to the user’s Internet Service Provider (ISP).
Once one has that, it’s a matter of getting the ISP to find the access times during those time frames and print out a report on the MAC ID’s for each user during that time frame.
(see here for explanation – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
Then, one matches the MAC ID’s that go to this (WE Blog) location during those times. The MAC ID’s matching this location and time, can then be used to identify the poster.
That’s why when I made the bet I was going to give Phillip Brownlee half the money, because it involves a little leg work and I’m sure he wouldn’t do it for free.
I’d go for a sign in system by email on this blog like they have on their other blog at the Wichita Eagle.
Try as they might, the troll posters today, early this morning and last night are wasting their time.
I’ve been around the Internet long enough so this just rolls off my back like water on a duck.
Such newbies.
So troll, waiting for you to post that information….
Or CANT you?
Need a little viagra for your computer to do that trace?
Put up or shut up.
Leg work? WTF ELSE are you doing while you suck off the government teat?
Waiting on that tracing info….
“Try as they might, the troll posters today, early this morning and last night are wasting their time.”
SO show us who they are kansas republican?
BTW, the kansas republicans must be SO proud of you….
Irrational as always eh KFG? Perhaps if you spent less time hating and more time posting intelligent comment like I know you can, you’d enjoy the blog more.
Yup. Same old same old from Kansas. He he has secret info, he has the inside scoop, he knows what you don’t.
Then when the rubber hits the road it’s nothing more than “uh . . . I have to ask Brownlee.”
Wow. A brilliant mind at work.
…and please repost what I said that was irrational.
I think you got nothin’ kansas republican.
But that is obvious to anyone other than the 28 percenters…
You’ve had your ass handed to you AGAIN troll boy. Dont you ever get tired of it?
“All Internet access can be traced.”
No shit, Sherlock. Tell us something that we don’t know.
Like who the trolls are, since you seem to claim to somehow have special access to Six Apart’s server.
Let’s just start simple: how are you logging in?
Let’s just start simple: how are you logging in?
Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 10:30 AM
I login like everyone else that uses typepad or sixapart, I click on the link to sign in.
Oh, wait: I read that wrong. You’re simply stating the obvious–again–as if that somehow proves your point.
BTW, MAC addresses are only useful for identifying specific machines. They’re worthless for locating where that machine is.
And we’re still waiting–email Phillip, and ask him for the secret sauce, to be openly posted here.
Is that so hard?
BTW, MAC addresses are only useful for identifying specific machines. They’re worthless for locating where that machine is.
Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Correct, that’s why you have to do detective work at the ISP to narrow down the time frame when things were posted, downloaded etc.
And we’re still waiting–email Phillip, and ask him for the secret sauce, to be openly posted here.
Is that so hard?
Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 10:44 AM
No one has taken up my bet or put up $5000.00. I’m pretty sure Phillip Brownlee won’t do it for free.
A QUESTION FOR HILLARY:
You base your healthcare proposal on the need to cover 47 million “uninsured Americans.” Since about a third of them are illegal immigrants and another third are eligible for Medicaid right now and just don’t apply for it, aren’t you overstating the problem?
(As a follow-up to No. 5) In 2005 you co-sponsored legislation to provide health insurance to the children of illegal immigrants who have lived in this country for five years. In other words, their children would get subsidized healthcare under the State Children’s Health Insurance Program as a reward for dodging the cops for five years. Do you still support that proposal?
“Correct, that’s why you have to do detective work at the ISP to narrow down the time frame when things were posted, downloaded etc.”
So KANSAS, are you admitting YOU cant do the detective work? It MUST be done by Phillip?
My my, that isnt what you said before.
And I repeat. IF it is only time and legwork, WTF ELSE are you doing with your time while you wait for your first of the month welfare check to appear in your mailbox?
Trolling? hehehehehhehe….
More caps, she wins again.
“Then, one matches the MAC ID’s that go to this (WE Blog) location during those times. The MAC ID’s matching this location and time, can then be used to identify the poster.”
Which, unless you’re interested you’re interested in the specific hardware (like when the RIAA goes after supposed infringments) is, again, utterly worthless for determining WHERE the post came from. It’s totally unneccessary.
Kansas, I don’t pretend to have Tom’s background (he was cutting code when I was still playing with my TI-55), but you might want to stop now, hehe!
So KANSAS, are you admitting YOU cant do the detective work? It MUST be done by Phillip? Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | September 26, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Phillip Brownlee is the Blog Manager and McClatchy owns the rights to the Blog.
I don’t think either would appreciate anything I could or would do to interfere with those ownership privileges.
Bad, very bad. Monks highly respected in Myanmar.
Violent crackdown launched in Myanmar
YANGON, Myanmar – The government said its security forces opened fire Wednesday on demonstrators who failed to disperse, killing one person, and witnesses said police beat and dragged away dozens of Buddhist monks in the most violent crackdown in a month of protests in Myanmar.
While dissident groups reported as many as five dead, including monks, the military junta’s announcement on state radio and television was the first acknowledgment that force has been used to suppress the protests and the first admission that blood had been shed.
The United States and the European Union condemned the attacks and called on the military rulers to open a dialogue with pro-democracy leaders, according to a joint statement on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly.
The U.N. Security Council will hold closed consultations on Myanmar later Wednesday, said U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe.
About 300 monks and activists were arrested, dissidents said, although that number could not be independently confirmed.
Myanmar’s leaders had warned the monks to stop the protests after some 100,000 people joined marches in Yangon on Monday in the largest anti-government demonstrations since a 1988 pro-democracy uprising was violently suppressed in the country formerly known as Burma.
The government said security forces opened fire after the crowd of 10,000 people, including “so-called monks,” failed to disperse at Yangon’s Sule Pagoda. It said the police used minimum force.
The dead man, aged 30, was hit by a bullet, the announcement said.
It said the wounded, two men aged 25 and 27, and a 47-year-old woman, were not hurt by gunshots but rather from being caught in a melee.
Witnesses who were known to The Associated Press said they had seen two women and one young man with gunshot wounds in the chaotic confrontations.
(This version CORRECTS that the Myanmar government announcement said the dead man was hit by a bullet, not a ricocheting shell.)
Kansas, I don’t pretend to have Tom’s background (he was cutting code when I was still playing with my TI-55), but you might want to stop now, hehe!
Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 10:51 AM
With all due respect to Tom, coding simple databases is a far cry from knowing Network protocols.
“Phillip Brownlee is the Blog Manager and McClatchy owns the rights to the Blog.
I don’t think either would appreciate anything I could or would do to interfere with those ownership privileges.”
Heheheheh. So then, you admit it?
YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But thanks for playing. Tune in next week to: “Who overloaded their tadpole ass with their alligator mouth?”
Kansas,An anonymizing proxy can shield the ultimate origin of a message, unless you’re backing up your inquiry with a court order.
But that’s beside the point: All Phillip & Co. have to go on is the IP info from each post. They’re not network security consultants.
So the real question is: Do you have information we don’t, or not? And, if so: how did you get it?
For my part, I haven’t made any ultimate conclusions about the origin of the “Sock Puppet Ballet”–but they sure seem to follow you around, now, don’t they?
I forget: what were the terms of that bet again?
For my part, I haven’t made any ultimate conclusions about the origin of the “Sock Puppet Ballet”–but they sure seem to follow you around, now, don’t they? Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 11:06 AM
So does cosmos and other posters. There for awhile cosmos would follow me to every thread and post crap about GW or some disparaging remarks about me. Didn’t matter what the topic thread would, he would stalk and post.
I noticed no one from the left commented on that now did they?
“I noticed no one from the left commented on that now did they?”
I guess you missed the request for a GW sidebar (which I supported), or Steven’s reference to the “Kansas and Cosmos” show.
Oh, wait—you were on that thread now, weren’t you?
Beside the point, anyway: cosmos posts as cosmos.
As for the others: I’m merely making an observation. You are correct that it doesn’t actually prove anything.
Beside the point, anyway: cosmos posts as cosmos.
As for the others: I’m merely making an observation. You are correct that it doesn’t actually prove anything.
Posted by: Rage | September 26, 2007 at 11:19 AM
And I always post as Kansas or Republican through typepad which is easily identifiable.
execpt when you steal other peoples nics or post with no nic
Phillip Brownlee is the Blog Manager and McClatchy owns the rights to the Blog.
I don’t think either would appreciate anything I could or would do to interfere with those ownership privileges.
Posted by: Kansas
There he goes again, insinuating that he could if he wanted to hack into the WEBlog and take any information he wanted.
Either do it, or shut up about it.
Don’t tell us you COULD do something but you simply choose not to.
That’s what all the cowards say . . .
When I challenged the TROLL to allow Brownlee to post our IP addresses publically if we agreed to allow him to, the TROLL came back with this:
Well, it’s pointless Capn. I change the IP of my router every two weeks as a matter of practice.
Posted by: Kansas | July 23, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Strangely, now he claims that IP addresses will give us the information that we need.
The guy’s blathering anyway, Capn. That nonsense about him regularly changing his router’s IP address is just that. Unless he has a block of static IPs (which cost $$), he’s at the mercy of his ISP’s DHCP server. If he keeps releasing and renewing his IP, he MIGHT get a new IP on occasion–but usually you won’t.
A interesting semi-related comment:http://tldp.org/LDP/khg/HyperNews/get/khg/76/3/2.html
Prove I’m Not Me!
ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HILLARY
Will you promise here and now to withdraw the vast majority of our troops from Iraq in 2009? You voted for the war in Iraq, now you say you’ve changed your mind. How can the voters be sure, unless you make this promise now?
Hillary should promise to defund the war and bring the troops home in 2007.
We can’t afford to wait until 2009.
I bet Hillary votes to fund the war for 2 more years.
“Steven: Thanks for the e-mail. We’ve deleted all the “troll” posts. They appear to have been made by one of the regular liberal posters, not the person who used those other nics. pb”
Posted by: Steven Davis | August 07, 2007 at 01:37 PM
Read that e-mail from Phil carefully, folks “the person who used those OTHER NICS.”
And that person is as we all know JM-Eier-Uncle William-Khan-Republican-Kansas.
Case closed again.
Heh! Good catch, Capn!
I see the Capn is still wearing his tin foil hat about me being other posters.
I think it’s time to out him and tell his boss how he is screwing off on the job.
Did I miss something? Did steve davis write brownlee about a troll? A Lib Troll?
Yeah, you do that, TROLL.
Oh, wait. I don’t have a boss.
Sucks to be you . . .
BTW, my offer still stands.
I have gone on record that any WEBlog editor is free to state publicly on the Blog if I am posting over any other nic besides this one.
Many others joined me: Tom, Ksfrmgrrl, SolDev, anon, Steven Davis.
Kansas refused.
I refused what?
I’ve only posted from this nic or Republican.
It should be obvious that I only posted from this nic and IP as I got a temporary IP block in the past.
If that’s not good enough, then I don’t know what is.
Still don’t know what I was blocked for however.
I had complained about some obscene post. I can’t recall what it said. Kansas – then, I think Republican – had reported Phillip told him essentially the same thing about the same post. I was confirming that Kansas/Republican, etc. was telling the truth. A habit I wanted to encourage him to practice. But, despite my good intentions…
I did not get in the context that Phillip was referring Kansas when he was saying “the other” person who posted under multiple nics. There was an especially dumb troll who would post under different people’s names and say things “I sure am stupid” signed so and so – I know Phillip and crew were especially interested in getting rid of that particular troll and I assumed that was whom he was referring to.
Kansas will claim to have inside knowledge about the editors, etc. As best as I can tell, this would seem to be completely false.
Hope this clarifies.
“Still don’t know what I was blocked for however.”
Pleeeeaaaaaassse.
If it’s the same post, I was told the same thing. I was told it was one of the regular Lib posters that was trolling under different nics.
I reported the obscenity and it was removed.
So tell me Steven Davis, what was I blocked for as no explanation was given to me.
“I have gone on record that any WEBlog editor is free to state publicly on the Blog if I am posting over any other nic besides this one.
Many others joined me: Tom, Ksfrmgrrl, SolDev, anon, Steven Davis.”
Add me to the list.
Kansas, I asked you this before and you refused.
Maybe you’ll agree to it this time–
To the WEBlog editors:
If I post over other nics (sock puppet post) or steal nics of other users (troll post), I ask that the editors may publicly reveal on the WEBlog that I am doing this.
Signed,
CapnAmericaSolDevKsfrmgrrlSteven DavisanonTomRage
Will you add your name to this list, Kansas?
Capn, who cares? Why should it matter?
Well Capn, I already used my typepad account making a joke with J M Walker and got in trouble for it.
So the point is quite moot imo.
You can add me to the list as I only post under this nic since that incident. I posted as Khan, republikhan, republican before that and as the blank on that singular day.
I have nothing to hide and I doubt Phillip Brownlee would post such a list as the work to find out and sort out IP numbers would be enormous.
But more power to you on your quest, you won’t find anything but what I’ve already stated. Just don’t post my IP address as I don’t want hackers “zoning” my router as a target.
Because I don’t want to argue with some douche-bag like “Democrat and Proud of it” only to find out that it’s just another one of Kansas’s sock puppets.
There you have it, folks.
Kansas agreed to be outed if he’s posting over other nics.
Things just got a little more interesting around here.
But, but, but . . . Kansas, I thought you changed your IP address all the time.
That’s because Capn, I’ve been telling the truth all along.
And instead of believing me, I get massive daily abuse from your Lib buddies.
Like I said many times before, this is the only name and IP I post to the WE Blog.
But, but, but . . . Kansas, I thought you changed your IP address all the time.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 26, 2007 at 07:23 PM
I used to when I ran my own SQL server, but I don’t run that server anymore as it was too hard to maintain and I got too many errors running programs. The server is dead in the water atm and waiting on some parts to rework it for a network renderer.
Cool, Kansas.
Now we can prove it.
“I’ve only posted from this nic or Republican.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 26, 2007 at 06:52 PM
“Only”??? YOu’ve also posted as J M Walker, Republikhan, K H A N (with multiple *’s), ‘ ‘, aka blank, and maybe more.
Kansas: “That’s because Capn, I’ve been telling the truth all along.
And instead of believing me, I get massive daily abuse from your Lib buddies.”
See above, and,
“I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :) ”
Posted by: Kansas | September 26, 2007 at 01:16 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-925.html#comment-84074244
“So tell me Steven Davis, what was I blocked for as no explanation was given to me.”
So, those other times when you posted that the ban was due to stealing J.M. Walker’s nic were just lies. Say it isn’t so…And is it possible that your story that the eds let you back in with an admonishment to be a “good boy” was a lie, too? Again, say it isn’t so.
When you tell so many lies, it must get difficult to keep them all straight.
If you had any pride at all, which you obviously don’t, you’d vacate this blog and never return again. Not holding my breath on that one.
Since your temporary ban, you have not posted as much about testicles and so forth, but let’s face it, certain individuals can’t seem to learn from experience. My bet is that you’re in that category.
Okay Steven Davis, I oblige myself to the Capn’s list and still get abuse from you.
Guess I can’t win huh?
You Libs are well known of assigning guilt on a person. Just like the Democratic Congress, guilty until proven innocent – must be a ideological trait.
You wear your ideology on your sleeve Steven Davis and take things way too seriously. This is a Blog full of opinions.
Some of those opinions stink, others are reprehensible, some are cool, some are informative and some are just stupid.
Lot of this sock puppetry as you Libs call it, is from your own naive invitation. I don’t know who is doing it. It is disruptive, but easily scrolled over and ignored.
My position is that my opinion is just as important as anyone else’s on this blog, if you don’t like it , you can say so.
However, your Lib friends attributing me to every troll nic on the Blog gets quite old. It is not me that has ruined my reputation (if there is such a thing on an anonymous blog server) it is the constant daily harassment I take from your Lib buddies accusing me of switching nics.
Do yourself a favor. Take the last 50 posts where Libs assign troll posts to me and where it has my name in there, put your name in there and see if you would tolerate the same treatment.
I have been treated quite unfairly on this blog and it is your ringleaders of conspirators that are to blame, not me.
If anything, you all owe me an apology for accusing me on a daily basis something I have not done.
O, poor wittle kansas. The same one who HAS used more names, such as, republican, republikahn, me, and God knows how many others, belittling anyone who holds a different opinion, now whines because someone calls him on it. Sorry, whatever, but you ran out of sympathy from me and most others here long ago. You outed your own trolling long ago, so live with it, because nobody cares. Your name ain’t s**t; your writing ain’t s**t.
Gosh, nobody should be judged like that Kansas. I’m sorry that people are treating you like “crap”. You should just keep saying what you feel, don’t let anyone ever stop you.
AND REMEMBER-
GOD LOVES YOU ALWAYS!
What does everyone think should be the ethics rules / laws we want our politicians to abide by?
Fine J M Walker, I cooperate and this is the response I get from the compassionate Liberals.
ha! What a laugh!
Uhmm. . .Kansas. . see upthread:
sugar is obviously another regular Lib poster too scared to use their own nic.
Posted by: Kansas | September 26, 2007 at 12:46 AM
You might want to stop doing that.
Then tell all your Lib buddies to stop posting multiple times a day about me.
I doubt they will do it, it’s second nature to them.
Besides, sugar attacked me and I had never heard of him/her before. Since they already knew me and made references to the past, I can assume as I wish they they are a regular poster.
As I said, I already agreed to the Capn’s proposal.
If you Libs want to keep piling it on, then so be it.
It will just show what hypocrites you all are.
“You wear your ideology on your sleeve Steven Davis and take things way too seriously.”
You don’t know me, nor have you ever met me that I know of. If you find the truth “abusive”, sorry can’t help you with that problem.
Another obvious truth is that you think it is okay to lie here. That was not the tradition until you happened along. I think people, me included, would get worked up over stuff and post whatever partisan perspective was popular at the time.
I recall posting that abortions went up under Bush – it was just too beautiful of an irony to pass up. Only problem, it wasn’t true, and was based on upon a flawed treatment of the data.
My friend, Walker, who hates both parties equally, pointed out the flaws in my thinking for me. I grew from that experience.
I can’t say that the above would be what happens when anyone interacts with you. Quite the opposite in fact.
In contrast to yourself, I think Grm’s distortions are her honest (for the most part) portrayals of her world and not deliberate lies. Maybe I am giving you too much credit, but I think you know when you are dissembling.
I would like to see you value discussion and act accordingly, but fear that that may be impossible for you. I don’t think you nic switch that much and apologize if those are false allegations against you. I think you will note that I have beat on you for that particular problem much less than others.
I’d like to see you be a valued member of this blog, but if that is impossible, as I often suspect it is, maybe you could see your way clear to leave the rest of us alone and find a venue better suited for your issues/needs.
The internet is a big place. I bet even you can find a suitable home.
Okay Steven, since you won’t acknowledge the concession I made to the Capn, then his word must not mean much to you.
The assignment of switching nics has been made by your side without any proof and instead of mentioning it once, they assail me on a daily basis.
Sorry, but you won’t chase me away, I can’t be bullied by some wannabe thugs. I don’t scare, I don’t run and I don’t hide.
Deal with it.
Kansas,
This is my last post to you. Good luck with the victimhood shtick.
So, I am supposed to recognize your every “concession”. My, my, my… being less mature than your average middle school boy, must be a pretty heavy burden to carry around every day. It DOES suck to be you, doesn’t it?
Good luck, pal, because you are seriously going to need it.
Good luck, pal, because you are seriously going to need it.
Posted by: Steven Davis | September 26, 2007 at 09:06 PM
So more of the same from the Libs eh?
You don’t own this blog.
This blog is an anonymous posting blog.
If it had a registered sign in, I would utilize it.
I’ve already had to go to my back this year to get several hundreds of dollars of charges on my credit card reverse, because someone has illegally used it and charged items on it.
I prefer to stay anonymous on the Web and will do so in the future.
The concession made was with the Capn of which I read you are part of that list.
“To the WEBlog editors:
If I post over other nics (sock puppet post) or steal nics of other users (troll post), I ask that the editors may publicly reveal on the WEBlog that I am doing this.
Signed,
CapnAmericaSolDevKsfrmgrrlSteven DavisanonTomRage
Will you add your name to this list, Kansas?” Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 26, 2007 at 07:13 PM
I agreed to be part of that agreement.
So Steven Davis, I’m not the one being childish here.
back=bank
Will you add your name to this list, Kansas?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 26, 2007 at 07:13 PM
Capn, who cares? Why should it matter?
Posted by: Max | September 26, 2007 at 07:15 PM
Because I don’t want to argue with some douche-bag like “Democrat and Proud of it” only to find out that it’s just another one of Kansas’s sock puppets.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 26, 2007 at 07:20 PM
So Capn, it makes a difference to you what ‘label’ is on a person for what purpose?
So you can attack them personally.
Because you can’t ‘win’ your point on your powers of logic and reason alone.
Because the words written somehow threaten you.
Because you cannot dispute certain words without attacking the ethos of the person writing the words.
Politicians win elections largely on their appearance and the perception of ideas, rarely on their words or actual ideas.
So I came to this blog half a year ago now, and haven’t been online aruging ideas since the Newsgroup and BBS days from the past.
Still, the format is almost the same. And I appreciated the format which allowed the anonymous posting of ideas, the enlightenment of all that could occur, the banter back and forth of wit and wisdom, the exercising of the free speech we enjoy in the USA at the cost of over a million American lives in the last 230+ years.
Yet you Capn, not you alone mind you, there have been others of your ilk and kind before, that would choose to ’selectively’ identify the writers so as to discredit them in a personal discriminatory way when you were unable to do so in the realm of ideas and written word before.
Thus your True purpose is to ‘win’ over others to your Liberal ways using any and all means that you can muster, fair or unfair, and life isn’t fair anyway, so all is fair in Love, in War, and even in Blogs I’m sure even you would agree.
The End justifies the means for you and Hillary and your Liberal kind.
So these words I write now, I wonder if I will be challenged on some other basis then the words and the thoughts behind them.
Perhaps I will be measured by my height and weight, blood type, age, color, sexual orientation, or by some other such discriminatory means which can be used to oppose the strength of the ideas which cannot otherwise be rendered untrue.
So Capn, I ask you again, what is the point of your vindictive and personal attack on Kansas (and we know his or her name isn’t Kansas unless his parents were exceptionally cruel!) or the next poster you disagree with, and what difference does their identity make?
“It is not me that has ruined my reputation (if there is such a thing on an anonymous blog server)…”
Posted by Kansas.
You’ve made multiple posts lying about the Sierra Club and levees.
You’ve lied about the IPCC, and climate scientists.
You’ve lied about me, and other posters.
You lied upthread about the nics you’ve used.
You refuse to support your opinions with credible facts.
You’ve bragged that you do NOT need facts to support your opinions.
Kansas: “I don’t need to prove anything. I can just say and make it so. :) ”
Do you really blame others for believing that you are a liar, with ZERO credibility?
I doubt that Kansas would believe anything that someone like himself posts.
cosmos the whiner
There were a few periods months ago, where Kansas appeared unstable. Whether it’s drinking, drugs, health issues or some combination (my opinion only) that’s none of my business. In the last 3 or 4 months I have not noticed this problem.
The Liberals are the compassionate ones I thought, so why not have some compassion for someone when they are down?
But most of the time, I found Kansas to be very honest and articulate. Whether I agreed with him or not, I valued his opinion.
It did not and does not matter to me WHO KANSAS IS. What matters to me is the thought behind the words that he or anyone else writes.
Others appear to be very judgemental.
If you truly believe in equal rights and that all people have the same freedom and rights in this country, then it shouldn’t matter to you who or whom is behind the words.
Any chance we can discuss something remotely interesting on this thread?
It was nice to see, when Kansas unveiled himself somewhat, and said he was going to be hospitalized and he didn’t know if he would be back or not, that many on this blog (even his worse enemies) showed some compassion and kindness and respect for Kansas as a human being.
I would hope we would all treat each other with the same respect every day.
Wishful thinking I guess, being a hopeless optimist and all. (I know, hard to believe I am an optimist)
Good night, all.
Ok, I’m done with my soapbox. The happy pills have worn off.
Take the gloves off and blog away!
Say Kansas, another blogger here emailed me earlier today and said he admired your ability to stand up to the constant abuse you recieve here.
Ditto.
Usually agree with your points though I think you go overboard sometimes (I do too).
I know I don’t have to tell you this, but I will – Don’t let anyone knock you off your feet!
My Dad told me before I gave my first speech as a teenager, to just stand up and tell em what you think you need to tell em. Whether they agree with you or not who cares? Most of em aren’t listening anyway!
That’s worked for me for the last 30 years in many different situations from 1:1’s to business meetings, to formal speeches. Screw em! Tell em what you think and if they don’t like it, so what? Most of the time you are right anyway, not always, but most of the time. The challenge is to tell em what they need to hear, as opposed to what they want to hear.
Bottom line though is honesty. You may be wrong, but if you believe what you say is true, then tell em the truth. If you are found wrong later, at least you can say it was an honest mistake.
And humility, is a virtue that gains respect, unless you are wrong all of the time. :)
trolls you claim him to be, so you and the others have the same creditibility he has. You people spend too much time at this blog.
Posted by: sugar II | September 26, 2007 at 09:58 AM
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Sugar never claimed Mr. Kansas is any of the Trolls. Perhaps Mr. Kansas can prove that statement as well.
Still, Mr. Kansas has not proved that sugar is a regular lib poster, or that cosmos is sugar.
And isnt it amazing how fast sugar II shows up?
Get a life!
Okay Capn, since one of the signatories has consistently tonight badgered me about my sincerity of adding my name to your list…
…the deal is off – remove me from the list.
I don’t won’t my nic to be associated with someone who shakes my hand one moment and slaps my face the next.
Your bud Steven Davis screwed it up for you Capn – blame him.
“Okay Steven, since you won’t acknowledge the concession I made to the Capn, then his word must not mean much to you.”
I acknowledge it. And while I find the coincidences a bit much, I’ve also REPEATEDLY acknowledged that coincidences do not constitute solid proof. I can recall a time when some people thought Hank and Nathan were the same person (highly amusing, in light of what we know now!–but I find their writing styles quite different–ahem. . .).
Now, Kansas, you say you’re not leaving, so you must (for some reason) like it here. How about telling the sock puppets to go to Hell, even if they agree with you?
Oh, and yes, I at least will do the same–if I notice (there is RL, you know. . . )
As far as cosmos goes, heh. . you’re on your own, dude!
won’t my nic = want my nic
Since Steven hurt your feelings, you won’t agree to have any nic switching/trolling on your part exposed??
Huh??
I was almost in your corner. Explain the relevance.
My feelings are not hurt. I would really like to kick his ass for being an asshole.
Now you know I mad when I curse.
And Oh yes, I can do what I say.
Ah, too late, Kansas.
I can’t take it back, for I already sent the e-mail to Philip Brownlee.
Sorry.
As for Max, there are some people I just don’t want to deal with.
There past behavior has shown them to be disruptive and to seek attention for themselves at the expense of a rational discussion.
Philip to us to “ignore” this person.
Trouble is, you can’t ignore someone who switches nics and baits you.
We’ve had this discussion many times in the past. Basically it comes down to people who aren’t slimed by trolls (the right-wingers) telling us who are that we should just stoically endure it, which we already do.
We just don’t want to encourage it.
Their, not there, oops . . .
Well Capn, since you already submitted it, I’ll abide by it.
I’m a person of my word.
The difference between me and some of the Libs here on the blog is that I can take the abuse and let it roll off my back. I receive it daily.
However, when a person like Steven Davis sides with me one moment then spits in my face the next, that’s where I draw the line.
I don’t troll or steal nics, except for that one time I did with J M Walker and I confessed to that.
If the left doesn’t acknowledge that, then that’s not my problem.
Gosh Capn, crying to Mommy Censor again!
You surprise me.
Max writes, “Bottom line though is honesty. You may be wrong, but if you believe what you say is true, then tell em the truth. If you are found wrong later, at least you can say it was an honest mistake.”
That’s exactly what it’s all about, Max. Being what you say you are. If you aren’t a black woman Turkish speaker, you shouldn’t pretend that you are to fool people and gain credibility for your position.
And Kansas — never, under any circumstances, even when caught dead to rights — has ever admitted he was wrong.
Everybody else has with the single exception of him.
Max–
We’re not asking Brownlee to censor anybody, at least I’m not.
We’re asking him to OUT US if we break the rules we’ve agreed not to break.
Get a clue, you’re muddying the issues here.
Fair enough, Kansas.
If you’re not nic-switching, then I’ll stop ragging you about it.
Peace, out.
11:37
That’s exactly what it’s all about, Max. Being what you say you are. If you aren’t a black woman Turkish speaker, you shouldn’t pretend that you are to fool people and gain credibility for your position.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 26, 2007 at 11:33 PM
So if I was a black woman from Turkey, is that somehow better then a white man from England?
Is a doctor or lawyer better then a factory worker?
GMC and Vaughn are respected by most for their opinions and legal expertise, but do we really know they are lawyers? Would the meaning of the words they have written be of any more or less value if they were janitors or garbage men? Capn, I think not.
I think their credibility comes from the value of their thoughts expressed through their written words.
If I’m Santa Claus one moment and the Grinch the next, does that change the meaning of the words written?
I think you are simply trying to resort to another means (calling Mommy blog editor) of discrediting Kansas, and anyone else that doesn’t agree with you.
You’re mad because Kansas never (?) admits a mistake. So what?
You won’t be happy until you have a 100% moderated and edited WE Blog site, and only your liberal views are allowed.
You know, the Eagle just may fall for that one! But then, all the conservatives would stop hitting their web site and might even stop buying their newsrag. It’s their bottom line that they worry most about.
Kansas, I asked you this before and you refused.
Maybe you’ll agree to it this time–
To the WEBlog editors:
If I post over other nics (sock puppet post) or steal nics of other users (troll post), I ask that the editors may publicly reveal on the WEBlog that I am doing this.
Signed,
CapnAmericaSolDevKsfrmgrrlSteven DavisanonTomRage
Will you add your name to this list, Kansas?
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Save the above list as the Koolaid Drinking Gang (KDG).
“GMC and Vaughn are respected by most for their opinions and legal expertise, but do we really know they are lawyers? Would the meaning of the words they have written be of any more or less value if they were janitors or garbage men? Capn, I think not.”
Thanks Max for the kind words, but I’ve met plenty of “janitors or garbage men,” and many others, far smarter than I.
Your point is well taken. However, we have a significant contingent here, primarily on the left (but not entirely) who generally attack the messenger rather than deal with the message.
Why? It’s easy to attack credibility, especially in an essentially anonymous forum. And it avoids having to deal directly with ideas. That’s hard.
We know who they are. They know who they are, too.
If you expect it to change, however, you’re dreaming. The key is not to respond in kind. Sometimes we all get our dander up, and let our annoyance write over our arguments, but we have to try.
People are what they are. And it’s politics; it’s not fair, and it’s not played by Queensbury rules. Pick your spots, write only when you have something to say. And keep your head, even when attacked personally for a political position.
I know you get tired of the constant “F-U, no F-U” BS. So do I. Notice that there are a relative few regular posters here? Most sane people who happen in and look around no doubt shake their heads in wonder and go on to saner blogs. And who can blame them?
But this is local, on local and national issues. It’s a way to keep up with what is going on in the area, so I put up with it despite the annoyances. We know it’s not representative of local opinion, of course, this is a self chosen and very small unrepresentative sample. It is what it is. Breathe deep, let it out, keep your head, and write away.
We now return to you to your regular programming of the usual crap.
What, Chas and Politicalmom didn’t join?
They must be the nics.
“However, when a person like Steven Davis sides with me one moment then spits in my face the next, that’s where I draw the line.”
I will respond to this – not that it will do any good. I sided with you when you told the truth. I do not side with you when I know you’re lying. The latter is not spitting in your face. You sure have a strange way of looking at the world, you know that? Maybe you are much crazier than I suspect and you really don’t know when you’re lying. Either way, I am sure it sucks to be you and you have my sincere sympathies.