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Calling someone a betrayer is indefensible, especially a General who has long and honorable service.
What move on dot scum deserves is a kick in their collective “nuts.”
Only scum would align themselves with an organization which make statements like that.
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 12:29 AM
OHHHHHHH KANSAS! And MAXXX!
I hope you’re prepared to boycott Rush Limpballs.
Rush Limbaugh has called the MoveOn.org “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” advertisement “contemptible” and “indecent,” but months earlier, on his radio show, he told his audience that he had a new name for Senator Chuck Hagel: “Senator Betrayus.”
Oh SNAP! I can’t wait to hear the backpeddaling. I wonder if it’ll be as good as when Kerry’s service was beaten like crazy.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709220003
What do you know?
Just another day of the WE blog posting the typical threads critical of the Republicans.
Maybe one day the editors will surprise us with some balance on this blog?
I won’t hold my breath.
I don’t listen to Limbaugh, don’t like his show, never did.
(whoosh)
That was the sound of nothing by air rushing by your head PMom. :)
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 01:43 AM
Since you posted yours twice PMom, so did I.
(whoosh)
From what I understand, the furor over “General Betrayus” was due to the notion that the integrity of U.S. military was under attack, and OF COURSE our military leaders would NEVER betray the American people, or the soldiers who depends on them.
Or. . would they?
How about knowingly sending them into combat with inferior body armor, to please a well-connected contractor?
From the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, some excerpts:
“COL. JIM MAGEE: In order to reduce cost in something that’s made of fabrics, you need to reduce the amount of fabric that’s in the item. And in the case of body armor, that’s Kevlar, which is why they went to, you know, shrank at the shoulders to this almost bra-strap-like thing they have now, a big scallop in the back of the body armor that makes no sense at all. I mean, it exposes your kidneys, but it took out 200 inches, and 200 inches translates to cost.
PAUL SOLMAN: Working within the cost constraints, Magee helped develop the Army’s Interceptor body armor, but has become a fan of its banned rival, Dragon Skin, a technology he says…
COL. JIM MAGEE: … is two generations ahead of anything I’ve ever seen.”
“PAUL SOLMAN: The debate was on with a vengeance. Were our troops being shortchanged, or weren’t they? The Army promptly questioned NBC’s test, released the data to prove Dragon Skin had failed Army testing catastrophically.
BRIG. GEN. MARK BROWN: We tested eight vests, four failed, 13 penetrating shots out of 48. All six of the current body armor producers of the U.S. Army in their employ passed this live-fire test protocol with zero failures. Zero failures is the correct answer. One failure is sudden death and you lose the game.”
“Engineer Nevin Rupert, for example, was the reigning Army expert on Dragon Skin for one of the military’s main test labs, yet he had been barred from the Army test at which Dragon Skin was penetrated ‘catastrophically.’ Why barred?
NEVIN RUPERT, Former Army Engineer: No explanation. He was my supervisor. He determines whether I can go or not.”
“Why fired? Well, he supported and still prefers Dragon Skin, thinks Army officials were trying to sabotage it to protect Interceptor contractors. And who was championing Interceptor? A then-colonel named John Norwood.”
“Meanwhile, Norwood, present at the test that failed Dragon Skin, retired last summer, immediately went to work for Interceptor contractor Armor Holdings, with $350 million in body armor contracts in the year since Norwood’s appointment. Norwood declined our request for an interview.”
“. . .in 2005, the Marine Times reported that Point Blank’s Interceptor vests had been failing quality tests for two years and were now experiencing actual penetrations by bullets they were designed to repel.”
” Point Blank had already been sued by several police departments accusing them of making defective vests. The Point Blank vests Patricio waived were recalled from Iraq, 5,000 of them.”
“Point Blank’s parent company, DHB, was at the time the subject of a Defense Department and a criminal investigation, still ongoing. DHB’s former president, who signed the waivers with Colonel Patricio, is under criminal indictment for accounting fraud.”
Get the idea?
The unedited trascript HERE:http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec07/armor_09-21.html
“Just another day of the WE blog posting the typical threads critical of the Republicans.”
I am heaving and crying deep sobs over this misjustice. How dare those WE editors prance around about how smart they are. Is it time to climb over the wall with our you know whats? Let us know, commander Nathan.
“Just another day of the WE blog posting the typical threads critical of the Republicans.”
Yup, I agree with (sadly) nameless (02:57 post). Has Nathan raised the status of the Party to be on equal footing of the popes, i.e., infallible, free of fault, not to be criticized, e.g., “Nothing to see here, folks!”
“Just another day of the WE blog posting the typical threads critical of the Republicans.”
Poor little Nathan! it must be awful for you and the rest of the mouthbreaders having to deal with all of this liberalism. But the balance here at WEBlog pretty much matches the nation, 28% deadenders and all.
Progressives own this blog and make up the vast majority of posters even when you count in pondscum Kansas and his horde of sock puppets.
Nathan, if you don’t like the way things are here, feel free to leave.
It does not matter which of the right wing airbags you listen to. They ALL get their talking points from Rush Limball. Listen to Rush today and you will hear the same crap on Hannity, Boortz, Savage, Beck tomorrow.
Actually, the Limbaugh talking points originate in Republican think tanks, and are destributed to the talk shows. You do know that Limbaugh et all are paid operatives of the Pukes, don’t you?
Despite opposition from Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, US security company Blackwater was back on the streets of Baghdad on Friday, four days after being grounded over a fatal shooting incident.
Maliki, meanwhile, was in the firing line over a damning report by the US embassy made public Friday detailing corruption plaguing his government, which called his office’s attitude to tackling the problem “openly hostile.”
Blackwater guards, whom a furious Maliki wanted replaced after they opened fire in Baghdad killing 10 people, were on Friday protecting US personnel on limited missions, US spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo told AFP.
*****
The duly-elected Prime Minister can’t even tell the Americans they can’t use Blackwater.
Why is that?
Let me think . . . why would Americans have more influence in Iraq than its democratically elected government?
Hmmm . . . such a conundrum.
It has nothing to do with the fact that our FREAKING ARMY OCCUPIES THE COUNTRY or anything would it?
Nah. We’re there to “stabilize” Iraq, not to control it.
Those tanks and guns are to help them. We only shoot them because we love them.
Will George Soros Buy the Presidential Election of 2008?
Monday, September 24, 2007
By Bill O’Reilly
E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
The real story behind the MoveOn smear attack on General Petraeus is far left financier George Soros. He has given millions to MoveOn and other Internet sites that smear conservatives and traditionalists.
If you want to know the full extent of Soros’ intrusion into the political process, read Investors Business Daily’s editorial today. Go to their Web site. It is downright frightening.
Now the far left billionaire has bought politicians, journalists, an Internet character assassins. He wields tremendous power in this country. So much power that 24 Democratic senators were afraid to condemn MoveOn for its outrageous attack on General Petraeus. Those senators include Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Christopher Dodd, and Harry Reid. Again, those senators would not vote to condemn the MoveOn ad.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297812,00.html
MoveOn’s leaders declared in a 2004 e-mail that its cash contributions ensure its control of the Democrats: “Now it’s our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”
With a slew of senators who won’t even condemn their worst excesses in a mere symbolic vote, it’s hard to dispute that statement.
MoveOn’s ad disgusted average Americans across the country. Even the Democrat-dominated Senate couldn’t halt a vote to condemn it. A quarter of the Senate, however, did refuse to condemn the attacks, and curiously, that included all Senate Democrats who seek to become the military’s next commander in chief.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd voted against the symbolic measure. Sens. Joe Biden and Barack Obama had other things to do that day and abstained from voting.
Investors Business Daily’s editorial
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=275267411712756
disgusted average Americans
The same “average Americans” who elected one of their own to the presidency? Why don’t you go have a beer with GWB?
Revamped WhiteHouseForSale Web Site Tracks 2008 Presidential Candidates’ “Bundlers”
Site Provides Clearinghouse of Information About Those Powering Billion-Dollar White House Race
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Public Citizen today unveiled a Web site that provides an up-to-date listing of the 2008 presidential hopefuls’ “bundlers,” the super-fundraisers who are powering the billion-dollar race for the White House. The revitalized site, an expansion of Public Citizen’s similar effort during the 2004 campaign and the only such clearinghouse for the 2008 campaign, is at http://www.WhiteHouseForSale.org.
Number of bundlers for 2008 presidential candidates: 2,035Number of lobbyist bundlers for 2008 presidential candidates: 115Amount raised by 2008 presidential candidates: $286,259,438
The Top Bundlers Bunglers:
CLINTONTotal Raised$62,532,868
Bundlers: 223Lobbyist Bundlers: 18—————————–
OBAMATotal Raised$58,495,873
Bundlers: 263Lobbyist Bundlers: 7—————————–
GIULIANITotal Raised$35,255,747
Bundlers: 134Lobbyist Bundlers: 27—————————–
ROMNEYTotal Raised$34,486,724
Bundlers: 307Lobbyist Bundlers: 13—————————–
MCCAINTotal Raised$25,895,764
Bundlers: 443Lobbyist Bundlers: 32—————————–
EDWARDSTotal Raised$22,955,566
Bundlers: 543Lobbyist Bundlers: 1
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/
How do the compare with the ‘Pioneers’?
Just by the fact that liberals can post so openly and not be drowned out with chants of Unamerican, terrorist sympathizes, traitors, love it or leave it, etc. ad nauseum, demonstrates that Kansas is wide open in the next election. Who could have imagined the above a few short (long) years ago.It’s small wonder Nathan longs for the Glory Days!
I didn’t see you going after Limpballs over his comment though Kansas. What’s the matter, cat gitcher fingers?
More good news about Hillary:
Clinton Donor Scandal Widens
Monday, September 24, 2007 9:09 AM
By: Charles R. Smith Article Font Size
Hillary Clinton’s donor scandal woes have widened to include links to Chinese mobs, scams involving the ex-first lady as a front, and required donations to her campaign. A Laguna Beach investment firm filed a lawsuit against Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu, claiming he defrauded investors out of at least $23 million and required them to donate to Hillary Clinton.
According to the lawsuit filed by Briar Wood Investmentshttp://www.newsmax.com/smith/clinton_donors/2007/09/24/35133.html
Notice Max ignored Limpball’s remark too? Wonder if O’Reilly will beat up on him? NOOOOOOOOOO.
Fux news has done nothing this morning except bash this into the ground. Get over it already. Find something important to report.
PROVE she knew about this Max. Or shut up.
Hillary either knew about the bundler donations or she is incompetent.
You decide Pmom.
If she’s as smart as y’all say she is, shouldn’t she have known?
Shouldn’t she have instilled her hard core beliefs in integrity, honesty, and accounting controls in her own campaign staff?
After all, she wants to control a $2 Trillion budget. How can she do that if she can’t even manage and control her own campaign staff and campaign finances?
Ignorance of the law is no excuse Pmom.
Ignorance will not keep you out of jail if you break the law.
Ignorance may get a candidate elected though.
Hey MAX,
Are you going to back up your claim about MoveOn’s “propaganda”?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-922.html#comment-83761857
Didn’t Max do any research, BEFORE attacking them?”
Conclusion: The MoveOn ad was ACCURATE.
Max-It’s called plausible deniability.The mandate to campaign staff:Get me the damned money. Do NOT tell me where it came from. I do not want to know. I don;t want to be beholden to anybody (wink, wink). Just get the damned money I need to win this thing.
You’re full of it Max, delegation is one of the main jobs of a President, they sure the hell can’t do it all.
This would be like me robbing a bank, and then giving a lovely donation to the United Way. Should the UW know I robbed the bank? Please. You’re grasping at straws here. And weakly too.
EVERY campaign is at risk for this. Hell you posted it yourself showing that’s true.
You’re full of it Max, delegation is one of the main jobs of a President, they sure the hell can’t do it all.Posted by: political_mom | September 24, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Doesn’t stop the Lib Crats blaming everything on Bush, now does it? :)
Pmom – Delegation does not relieve any Responsibility. She’s still the boss.
Or maybe moveon.org is the boss.
Maybe China is the boss.
Bottom line, Hillary has no ethical credibility whatsoever. Any Means to raise a buck is justified to her. That’s why she’s the top begger. (See the post above, Hillary is bought and paid for!)
“The real story behind the MoveOn smear attack on General Petraeus is far left financier George Soros. He has given millions to MoveOn and other Internet sites that smear conservatives and traditionalists.”
Anybody who smears “conservatives and traditionalists” has my full support and admiration.
“MoveOn’s ad disgusted average Americans across the country.”
No it didn’t. It upset the 28% 0f deadenders. I’m not upset at all. In fact, I think it’s a laugh riot watching all of you conservatives getting your panties in such a knot. Please go outside when you start wetting yourselves.
Max, take it easy, you’re going to have a stroke.
Oh, and Max…
You got nothing.
XXX, I hope you are right.
But, if Hillary get’s in the White House and hatches the Democrat Watergate, there’s a lot of “You got noghing” post out there to repost! :)
“MoveOn’s ad disgusted average Americans across the country.”
Posted by Max.
What disgusts informed Americans is the Bush administration and military leaders trying to con them with lies and spin.
Deflect the criticism from moveon.org by blaming Bush!
Classic Cosmos.
It’s called reality, Max.
Are free doughnuts a right?
MAHOPAC, N.Y. — It was just another morning at the senior center: Women were sewing, men were playing pool — and seven demonstrators, average age 76, were picketing outside, demanding doughnuts.
They wore sandwich boards proclaiming, “Give Us Our Just Desserts” and “They’re Carbs, Not Contraband.”
At issue is a decision to refuse free doughnuts, pies and breads that were being donated to senior centers around Putnam County, north of New York City. Officials were concerned that the county was setting a bad nutritional precedent by providing mounds of doughnuts and other sweets to seniors.
The picketers said they were objecting not to a lack of sweets but that they weren’t consulted about the ban.
“Lack of respect is what it’s all about,” said Joe Hajkowski, 75, a former labor union official who organized the demonstration. He said officials had implied that seniors were gorging themselves on jelly doughnuts and were too senile to make the choice for themselves.
C. Michael Sibilia said, “I’m 86, not 8.”
Foxnews
You’re full of it Max, delegation is one of the main jobs of a President, they sure the hell can’t do it all.Posted by: political_mom
Wow! And here I thought Bush was to be held accountable for every action by anyone in his administration. Now I learn this responsibility does not apply to democrats.
“Are free doughnuts a right?”
Well certain liberal posters here will tell you that, like healthcare, it was the intention of the founding founders that all elderly people have free doughnuts.
“But, if Hillary get’s in the White House and hatches the Democrat Watergate, there’s a lot of “You got noghing” post out there to repost!”
Max, if Hillary gets in the White House and does anything that approaches Watergate, I’ll be there right beside you howling for her head.
Of course, we’ll need to see some proof that isn’t from Rush or Hanitty.
The Liberal organization moveon.org took out a full page ad in the NY Times with a headline that read “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” The ad which cost the liberal group MoveOn.org approximately $65,000 and ran in section A of the paper.
The ad accuses the general of “Cooking the Books for the White House” and stated that “General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts,” citing optimistic statements the general has made about Iraq in the past.
You’re free to decide what you want about General Petraeus.
General Petraeus has volunteered his service to the United States Military for over 30 years, and has served in 4 wars.
Petraeus was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College – class of 1983.
He earned a Master of Public Administration (1985) and a PhD. (1987) in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.
He served as Assistant Professor of International Relations at the U.S. Military Academy, and also completed a fellowship at Georgetown University.
He has a BS from the U.S. Military Academy – class of 1974.
Before anyone here decides to comment, take a moment to reflect on yourself and whether you if given the Generals credentials, would choose to volunteer your service to the American people. General Petraeus could make 5-10x more financially as a civilian, he could spend every evening with his family, and he could go to work everyday without being tagged as “cooking the books” in the NY Times.
I am very grateful that there are people willing to look beyond personal gains for the betterment of our country.
This man Commands my respect, and those affiliated with moveon.org should be ashamed.
Are nutroots the liberal equal towingnuts?
“Now, anyone who has had the opportunity to meet the General, and anybody who has bothered to follow his career or his academic pursuits, knows that these are dangerous and unwarranted allegations. However, there might be a silver lining to this slander. Libel, really, because it was printed The New York Times. Now, all of America understands MoveOn.org and other groups like it are called the nutroots of our society. These people are nuts and they don’t care who they hurt, they don’t care who they smear they don’t care who they libel. Politics is more important than anything else and power is the most important anything of all.”
Senator Hatch
This shouldn’t be a shock to anyone but:
NY Times Liberal Bias Revealed Once Again
It’s getting harder and harder for the NY Times to claim objectivity – the New York Post has revealed that they gave MoveOn.org more than a $100,000 discount on their ad attacking General Petraeus. Also in the Post today, Ed Koch, who does not support the war but still found the ad repulsive, calls out the Democratic presidential candidates for not condemning the ad.
“I don’t have to prove anything cosmos.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 01:16 AM
To be more accurate, Kansas is unable to prove anything, and/or support his opinions. And that makes him look ignorant, foolish, and stupid.
How many Repukes condemned the smears against McCleland?
Bush attacked McCain’s war record dont remember any repubs condemning that either
“Anybody who smears “conservatives and traditionalists” has my full support and admiration.”
Ah. Blind devotion is a wonderful thing; it frees one from thinking for themselves. As long the targets are characterized as “conservatives and traditionalists” any tactic is fair game, any statement A-OK, any lie lovingly endorsed. The end justifies any means, in XXX’s eyes.
Says all I need to know about XXX.
To be more accurate, Kansas is unable to prove anything, and/or support his opinions. And that makes him look ignorant, foolish, and stupid.
Posted by: cosmos | September 24, 2007 at 11:59 AM
To demonstrate with precision cosmos uses deductive fallacy to falsify his argument.
cosmos is a partisan hack, nothing more as he can’t up with his own original ideas but relies heavily on the Internet for 99 percent of his mental acuity.
Compared to the free publication on the media for the ShitBoaters, Moveon paid a high price for their publication, in fact they have now paid full price for the ad after finding out the discount was in error.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Fallon calls Petraeus “an ass-kissing chickenshit.” And we all knows what happens to generals who don’t toe the Shrubg/Cheney/Wolfowitz neocon fantasy: they’re ushered out of the Pentagon.
Petreaus was merely acting out of a desire for job security.
Keep in mind, too, that the term “General Betray Us” came up from the rank and file frontline American soldiers serving in Iraq.
UAW calls nationwide strike against GM – first since 76 …. seems biggest bone of contention is GM not willing to guarantee jobs will stay in YS.
see:http://kansas.com/business/updates/story/183288.html
>…it was the intention of the founding founders that all elderly people have free doughnuts.<
Ha, ha…
Tell me, though, was it the intention of the founding fathers that we have a president that ignores the congress and does whatever he wants without oversight? Was it Thomas Jefferson’s and George Washington’s idea to “preemptively” invade a sovereign nation and occupy it, slowly but surely presiding over the slaughter of the entire population? Did they intend that this nation they built would one day be known in the world as despotic occupiers engaged in the murder of women and children in a foreign land?
LTP,
Sources for both of those comments?
Or is that more of the DU, Huffington or moveon dot barg rhetoric? I know…it was one of those “reported” stories that no one can confirm.
Fallon is not the Joint Chief of Staff Chairman.
If Admiral Fallon had said such a comment, he would have been asked to resign immediately, I doubt if that’s true.
If Fallon had stated such a remark and hasn’t been asked to resign, I’ll write the Chairman of Joint Chief of Staff personally and asked that Fallon be removed and forced to retire. That is conduct unbecoming an officer.
….in US
BTW GO CUBS !!!!!!!!!
Give the Wingnuts credit on this MoveOn Petraeus thing: nobody can top the Right in ginning up phony outrage and attempting to silence their opponents. If MoveOn hadn’t run the ad, the Wingnuts would have found some other distraction to seize upon.
God forbid anybody should call out Petraeus for his phony numbers and blatant Congressional pandering over the last six months.
Does Petraeus’ willingness to pimp his medals out for Bush to hide behind rise to the level of ‘treason’? Who knows. But CF2K CERTAINLY thinks that every Senator who caves in to grossly inflated claims of Executive power betrays his or her oath to defend the Constitution.
“UAW calls nationwide strike against GM – first since 76 …. seems biggest bone of contention is GM not willing to guarantee jobs will stay in US.”
It seems the UAW is not willing to admit that GM is going to go under if the labor union will not give up some perks so the company can stay competitive.
Damn right, CF2K.
And poor Move.On is really feeling the heat.
They raised half a million dollars in a single day, best day ever.
Ouch!
Note to self–send in a donation to MoveOn.org
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html
Yeah nek,
At an average wage of nearly $40.00/hour with benefits being on top of that wage, the auto workers are pricing themselves out of a job.
It’s time for the UAW to suck it in and become responsible and reasonable citizens in the realities of a global corporate climate.
Either that or lose it all.
While all you kansans are debating move on, you could instead be listening to right wing liars on about two dozen Kansas radio stations.
Kansas, IIRC, Adm. Fallon is currently the commander of CENTCOM, and, as such, is Gen. Petraeus’ direct superior. He is also the nominee to be the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, whose nomination has yet to be confirmed by the Senate.
With regard to the alleged dressing down he delivered to Gen. Petraeus, truly, I wasn’t there. It has been widely reported in a variety of arenas, and no one has to my knowledge directly contradicted the same, so FWIW, draw your own conclusions.
Actually the Admiral Fallon comments regarding the Gen can be found on Drudge
Door King,Radio talk shows are boring and mostly “infotainment.”
Amusing to listen to on occasion, but hardly worth basis one’s individual political decisions on.
I suspect Door King, you’ve been fed too much of the hype presented on both sides of the media wind-bagging.
With regard to the alleged dressing down he delivered to Gen. Petraeus, truly, I wasn’t there. It has been widely reported in a variety of arenas, and no one has to my knowledge directly contradicted the same, so FWIW, draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Vaughn Tolle | September 24, 2007 at 12:54 PM
It may have been reported as I said before, but this type of expletive ridden comment is something an officer never says about his subordinates or superiors.
If Fallon did say this, then I would demand that he be forced to retire and that his nomination for Joint Chief of Staff be nixed.
Yeah, Moveon.org is just a distraction.
Who’s side is Moveon.org on running ads defending Iran?
And Democrats support Moveon.org, or actually, vice-versa.
Ahmadinejad was welcomed with open arms today by Columbia University.
Columbia University, MoveOn.org, and Ahmadinejad all seem to be on the same side. Scary.
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/iranad.html
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/war_on_iran.pdf
http://pol.moveon.org/noescalationiniran/
http://pol.moveon.org/dontnukeiran/
(And who said I didn’t read moveon.org?)
If Admiral Fallon had said such a comment, he would have been asked to resign immediately, I doubt if that’s true.
If Fallon had stated such a remark and hasn’t been asked to resign, I’ll write the Chairman of Joint Chief of Staff personally and asked that Fallon be removed and forced to retire. That is conduct unbecoming an officer.
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 12:38 PM
So higher rank insulting and demeaning lower ranks is against the UCMJ requiring resignation of the offender. Then their would be no Gunnys, Master Chiefs or Sergeants
The president of Columbia pretty much called Iranian president a worthless cocksucker as it was live i doubt its on youtube yet
How many Repukes condemned the smears against McCleland?
Posted by: Ben | September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PMInteresting Ben,
Very adult of you too, by the way. You whine about a smear on McCleland and at the smae time smear rebublicans with your ‘repuke’ crap. Just wondering, do you have the balls to call me a ‘repuke’ to my face?
As far as McCleland goes, why don’t you refresh my memory. Exactly what smears are you complaining about and who said them? You can’t possibly include comments about his wonds that are true can you.
Hank
wonds=wounds
So higher rank insulting and demeaning lower ranks is against the UCMJ requiring resignation of the offender. Then their would be no Gunnys, Master Chiefs or Sergeants
Posted by: Tom Paine | September 24, 2007 at 01:00 PM
Although I never approved of it, there is such talk that goes on in the military.
However, the talk usually is in general and never attributed to an individual, but as colorful metaphor to get their point across.
What Fallon did, if true, is gross conduct attributed directly to a subordinate for purposes of assigning unfair and unauthorized attributes and is in direct violation of the UCMJ.
When one becomes a Flag or General Officer, you have to set aside personal opinions and judge matters objectively.
If Fallon cannot do this, then he no longer deserves to be a Flag Officer nor does he deserve a nomination to become the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff.
Well, I see the deadender’s tiny little minds are sufficiently occupied, until the next necessary distraction.
In the meantime:
http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/09/an_enduring_relationship.html
RE:”If Fallon had stated such a remark and hasn’t been asked to resign, I’ll write the Chairman of Joint Chief of Staff personally and asked that Fallon be removed and forced to retire. That is conduct unbecoming an officer”
I’m sure the Pentagn is breathlessly awaiting the opinion of a big hat, no cattle, Kansas gasbag!
Delusion, thy name is ………
Actually nameless troll,
(looks suspiciously at the “big hat, no cattle” comment as Texas slang)
the Pentagon takes complaints against Flag and General officers very seriously.
Sounds like Hank wants to kick someones ass. Typical Repuke response resort to violence when you dont like something. How very “Christian” of Hank but in Hanks view of Christianity its OK to post pornography links on your personal info
oops, too soon…
…because, if they don’t take the complaint seriously then they know a Congressional investigation will be next and they will be forced to answer.
Notes that “Rev Jim” is one of the regular Liberal Posters on WE Blog as confirmed by Phillip Brownlee.
This whole moveon.org AD thing has to be the most indisuptably MORONIC planned distraction I’ve seen in a while.
A general who defends an unpopular, life-threatening policy can’t be strongly criticized? Okay. Whatver. Last week’s news. It’s called free speech, and on an issue of extreme national importance.
Move on–hehe, how friggin’ ironically appropriate. Move on, folks. Get a life, people.
“If Fallon did say this, then I would demand that he be forced to retire and that his nomination for Joint Chief of Staff be nixed.”
Hahahahahahahaha . . . like anyone with half a brain would listen to you?
It’s called free speech, and on an issue of extreme national importance. Posted by: Rage | September 24, 2007 at 01:24 PM
Exactly Rage and it’s why those who disapprove the move on dot scum message as trash have the “free speech” right to do so.
A general who defends an unpopular, life-threatening policy can’t be strongly criticized? Okay. Whatver. Last week’s news. It’s called free speech, and on an issue of extreme national importance.
Move on–hehe, how friggin’ ironically appropriate. Move on, folks. Get a life, people.
Posted by: Rage | September 24, 2007 at 01:24 PM
While I think the ad was unseemly, who cares. They excercised their right to free speech. Getting all indignant once about it is one thing, going and and on is just stupid. I have to agree with Rage. Last weeks news. Move on
So Philip Brownlee passes on infomation to “Kansas”? I doupt it
Hahahahahahahaha . . . like anyone with half a brain would listen to you?
Posted by: stumper | September 24, 2007 at 01:26 PM
Watch carefully and keep your ear to the ground. :)
So Philip Brownlee passes on infomation to “Kansas”? I doupt it
Posted by: Rev Jim | September 24, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Worried are we? Especially with all that noise you made about trolls using different nics? :)
A correction; Admiral Mullen, current CNO, is slated to become CJCS on 1 October, replacing General Pace.
P.S. One source for the Fallon comment (The first hit on Google):
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235
Worried are we? Especially with all that noise you made about trolls using different nics? :)
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 01:32 PM
Ive never made a peep about people who use more than one nic which looking at the blog would be most people. So I doubt that I am who you think I am, so either Philip and your corresponce is a myth or he gives you false info.
And i believe that is you who partake in Nic Stealing.
If you are not worried “Rev Jim” (coughs) then you wouldn’t take the time to make any further comments on it.
You are a hypocrite “Rev Jim.”
And I would have to say that once again, you are irrelevant.
Hank Price,
I’ll call you a “Repuke” to your face, if you’ll tell me to “E.S.A.D.” to mine.
Dear CF2K,
I rarely write anything to or about anyone that I wouldn’t say to their face.
Hank
The president of Columbia pretty much called Iranian president a worthless cocksucker as it was live i doubt its on youtube yet
Posted by: Tom Paine | September 24, 2007 at 01:05 PM
Doesn’t matter what the President of Columbia called Ahmadinejad or how harshly he might have been ‘grilled’ by whoever questioned him.
Ahmadinejad scored a huge propaganda victory in Iran and the Mideast with the prestigious Columbia University giving recognition to and honoring Ahmadinejad with an invitation to speak.
Columbia thus helps give legitamacy to Ahmadinejad and his views that the Holocaust didn’t happen, that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, that it’s ok for Iran to supply arms to terrorists killing Americans and Iraqis in Iraq, and that it’s proper and right for Iran to pursue Nucleur Weapons.
And the links posted above show that Moveon.org is clearly on the side of Iran. Are the Democrats?
If Iran gets the bomb and a mushroom cloud is seen over Manhattan, I wonder if those at Columbia University will finally see the light.
‘Generals opposing Iraq war break with military tradition’http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20070923-9999-1n23generals.html
“… When their warnings were ignored, some came to believe it was their patriotic duty to speak out, even if it meant terminating their careers.
It was a decision none of the men approached cavalierly. Most were political conservatives who had voted for George W. Bush and initially favored his appointment of Donald Rumsfeld as defense secretary.
But they felt betrayed by Bush and his advisers.”
See comments by Retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was replaced in 2004 by Petraeus.
Max,
Universities house smart people who can make judgments for themselves. They try to be immune from scardey-cat fascism.
If Ahmadinejad wants to make a case before an informed audience, let him try. As a country, are we really such a bunch of wussies that we can’t deal rationally with views we may find objectionable?
Max’s hysteria leaves little doubt as to the question of whether he’s a wuss.
As for your links, stop LYING, Max: neither one says A WORD about supporting the regime in Iran. Not one word.
Hank Price,
The next time there’s a meetup, then, I expect you to tell me to “eat sh*t and die” to my face. Just as I told Nathan, at the second meetup and to his face, to go f*ck himself (or something like that–it’s been a while).
Well, what’s all this about? It seems that a dem actually has brains and balls, who knew!
PS: It was NEVER about he “oil”.
Dems slam Moran’s tying AIPAC to Iraq war
By: Josephine Hearn
Sep 19, 2007 07:30 PM EST
Democratic reps. are offended by Jim Moran’s statement that Israel lobby group AIPAC “pushed [the Iraq] war.”Photo: AP
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Sixteen of Democratic Rep. Jim Moran’s House colleagues rebuked him in a withering letter Wednesday for saying last week that the pro-Israel lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, “pushed [the Iraq] war from the beginning.”
It was the Virginia congressman’s latest dust-up over Israel — and one that brought a demand for a retraction by the House Democratic leader, Rep. Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland.
Moran’s colleagues — led by Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), a powerful committee chairman with close ties to the majority leadership — called the remarks of the Virginia congressman in the progressive Jewish magazine Tikkun inaccurate and “deeply offensive.”
“The idea that the war in Iraq began because of the influence of Jewish Americans is factually incorrect and unfortunately fits the anti-Semitic stereotypes some have used historically against Jews,” wrote the group of Jewish Democrats.
Moran, nonetheless, stood his ground.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5925.html
JOIN THE GNOSTIC LIBERATION FRONT TODAY!!
Universities house smart people who can make judgments for themselves. They try to be immune from scardey-cat fascism.
If Ahmadinejad wants to make a case before an informed audience, let him try. As a country, are we really such a bunch of wussies that we can’t deal rationally with views we may find objectionable?Posted by: CF2K | September 24, 2007 at 02:31 PM
——————————————Ok CF, then why was Columbia Univeristy afraid to let the Minuteman speak? Because they are Americans?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297823,00.html
The Iranian president addressed students and faculty at a forum only days after Columbia retracted a speaking invitation to the president of the Minuteman Project, a controversial citizens’ group that seeks to secure America’s borders from illegal immigrants, even going so far as to try building a fence along the border with Mexico.
Max,
It’s Columbia’s right to invite or not invite anyone they want. They’re a private institution.
Or do you support the government’s forcing universities to hold certain events?
P.S. One source for the Fallon comment (The first hit on Google):Posted by: Rage | September 24, 2007 at 01:33 PM
As liberal a site as you can get. You call that a “source”. (cough-cough, choke, gag!)
“And the links posted above show that Moveon.org is clearly on the side of Iran.”
It shows nothing of the kind, Max.
It shows only that Moveon.org doesn’t want to compounding one colossal mistake (invading and occupying Iraq) with another (invading Iran).
They’re a private institution.Or do you support the government’s forcing universities to hold certain events?Posted by: CF2K
Yes, a private institution which spends a lot of the taxpayer’s money.
And I do not believe in forcing them to hold certain events. But they do have a funny way of “expressing free speech”. Seems free speech only happens on their terms, as the Minuteman people will tell you.
It’s Columbia’s right to invite or not invite anyone they want. They’re a private institution.
Or do you support the government’s forcing universities to hold certain events?
Posted by: CF2K | September 24, 2007 at 02:45 PM
———————————————————
I agree with Fred Thompson on this. He said if he was President, he would not have allowed Ahmadinejad into the country. Ahmadinejad supports terrorism and supplies weapons to terrorists who are killing Americans.
As for Columbia, if they are stupid enough to let Ahmadinejad speak, yet too afraid to let the Minuteman speak, and they don’t care about giving propaganda fuel to Ahmadinejad, then they are free in this country to be anti-American.
Max,
And that’s what makes America great.
Here it is Max: Exactly as we have been discussing the issue all politicians up for election do NOT want to touch:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration said Monday the only way to permanently fix Social Security is through some combination of benefit cuts and tax increases.That was one of the key findings in a new paper on Social Security released by the Treasury Department in an effort to achieve common ground on the politically explosive issue.
“Social Security can be made permanently solvent only by reducing the present value of scheduled benefits and/or increasing the present value of scheduled tax increases,” the paper said. The Treasury paper said that while other changes to the giant benefit program might be desirable “only these changes can restore solvency permanently.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-09-24-social-security_N.htm
I fondly remember when the blog had hundreds of comments per day by numerous posters. Some were even thought provoking. Now it mostly seems reduced to a f you/no F YOU shouting match. It’s sad that adults can’t have dialogue without resorting to school yard bullying tactics. It’s more like reading the juvenile opinion line comments.
Naw Hotdog1,
Ted Kennedy and the other Dems all tell us Social Security/Medicare will be there forever.
It’s always been there, will always be here.
Doesn’t matter what the Financials show. Doesn’t matter what the Demographics show.
Ted Kennedy and the Democrats wouldn’t lie!
Wait a minute hotdog, we have plenty of money – just end the tax cuts for the rich.
There is plenty there for Social Security as well as new Socialized Medicine.
I’m told there are plenty of money trees. I have to go now. I am on the look out for the Easter Bunny.
Max,
Please. George Bush has never lied about anything, and surely wouldn’t lie about Social Security!
SS is solvent until 2040. Take the phony concern and panic mongering elsewhere.
Anyone notice the photo of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Reminds of Alfred E Nueman’s “What Me Worry?”
SS is solvent until 2040. Take the phony concern and panic mongering elsewhere.
Posted by: CF2K | September 24, 2007 at 03:15 PM
SS is in trouble and anyone with even little financial background knows it. I can provide independent sources, who are not Bushy’s.
Max has every reason to be concerned: The FIX TO SS WILL COME ON THE BACKS OF LATE BABY BOOMERS AND GEN X.
You will pay in more and receive less.
I suppose you don’t mind handing out more money?
Bush told the exact same lies told by the Democrats.
You have no high horse to ride CF.
Do I REALLY have to pull out those 100 previous posts with links to all the SS data again tonight?
What do you think Hotdog1?
I worry more for my kids and future grandkids then I do for myself.
Current SS recipients and baby boomers don’t care about their own kids and grandkids?
They must have the “Screw Them” mentality for their own family, and their younger neighbors too.
“I Got Mine, You Get Your Own!”
If CF needs reinforcing evidence, I suppose we have no choice but to post it.
And I do CARE about ME. My wife and I have worked hard our whole lives and saved for an early retirement. Like most people who PLAN ahead, we have computed our retirement needs and balanced our investments to meet those needs.
Now, at the last minute, someone is going to come along and say: “OOPS, SORRY 50 something, we have to cut your entitlement.”
Only problem is: It is too late for us to change course. No time to recover.
Hey CF2K,
Refresh my memory, I did use ESAD a while back, was it in a post to you?
If so, what disgusting, ignorant or childish comment was of yours was I responding to?
Ans what makes you think that as a Christian I meant the ‘S’ to stand for what you assume it to stand for?
Hank
SS is solvent until 2040. Take the phony concern and panic mongering elsewhere.
Posted by: CF2K | September 24, 2007 at 03:15 PM
Translation:”Block all attempts by a Republican to fix anything. Wait until Democrat is elected, and then lets get to work!”
Hmmm…this is why we have approval ratings in the cellar for all the officials WE elected.
I would have shaken CF2K’s hand and forgot to let go until he said “uncle.” :D
Max, if Hillary gets in the White House and does anything that approaches Watergate, I’ll be there right beside you howling for her head.
Posted by: XXX | September 24, 2007 at 11:51 AM
And if Hillary is President, then I expect in January 2008 to be seeing posts from you and the other Democrats, calling for the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.
Hillary would not require a majority in Congress to accomplish that.
Hillary and free speech
“Early this summer, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign for president learned that the men’s magazine GQ was working on a story the campaign was sure to hate: an account of infighting in Hillaryland.
So Clinton’s aides pulled a page from the book of Hollywood publicists and offered GQ a stark choice: Kill the piece, or lose access to planned celebrity coverboy Bill Clinton.
Despite internal protests, GQ editor Jim Nelson met the Clinton campaign’s demands, which had been delivered by Bill Clinton’s spokesman, Jay Carson, several sources familiar with the conversations said……….
…..And the offending article by Atlantic Monthly staff writer Josh Green got the spike.
Well, I guess Hillary doesn;’t believe in free speech. No surprise. ANd to those who point out the similar tactics of other politicians, that’s exactly my point. All the same. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
And speaking of free speech, have they released a DVD for “A Path to 9/11?”
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/homeentertainment/la-et-path5sep05,0,2302280.story?coll=la-home-entertainment
Ah. Blind devotion is a wonderful thing; it frees one from thinking for themselves. As long the targets are characterized as “conservatives and traditionalists” any tactic is fair game, any statement A-OK, any lie lovingly endorsed. The end justifies any means, in XXX’s eyes.
Says all I need to know about XXX.
Posted by: GMC70 | September 24, 2007 at 12:21 PM
GMC, you kind of fleshed that out, don’t you think? But lying and “fluffing up” the facts are ok if you’re a republican.
“Ah. Blind devotion is a wonderful thing”
Yeah, kind of like when you put your knee pads on to give Bush a BJ.
“any tactic is fair game, any statement A-OK, any lie lovingly endorsed”
Gee, did I say all of that? I read my post twice and I didn’t see any of that. You must be lying.
“The end justifies any means, in XXX’s eyes.”
I think you’ve confused me with your republican Nazi friends.
“Says all I need to know about XXX.”
No GMC, This tells you all you need to know about XXX (Holds up middle finger).
No GMC, This tells you all you need to know about XXX (Holds up middle finger).
Posted by: XXX | September 24, 2007 at 04:26 PM
Is that your age, IQ or how many friends you had before your dog died? :)
oh, I forgot one XXX, that must be your sperm count. :)
Or XXX’s D size.
In millimeters.
Come on XXX!
Are you out of your pain pills today? How come you’re treating us warm and fuzzy conservatives so badly?
Have you run out of decent ways to state your case? Or are you starting to realize you are more of a conservative than you’ld care to admit?
Read the average liberal post here XXX, are you sure you want to align yourself with these losers?
Hank
In just little over a year, Merck’s HPV vaccine for girls has been associated with at least five deaths, not to mention thousands of adverse effects, hundreds deemed serious, and many that required hospitalization. Propelled by Merck’s large donations to key politicians, from FDA approval of Gardasil in June, 2006, until May, 2007, there were 1,637 reports of adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine reported to the FDA, including 3 deaths, and 371 serious reactions. Of 42 pregnant women vaccinated, 18 experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal abnormities. Side effects reported include paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures, as well as typical non-serious side effects of vaccinations. Since May, 2007, an additional 1800 adverse reactions have been reported, including more deaths.Gardasil’s long-term effects remain unknown, as FDA approval was lobbied in without adequate testing, obviously, along with extensive political efforts to mandate the expensive series of dangerous injections for schoolgirls, particularly in Texas.We’re talking about millions of vulnerable schoolgirls being targeted for profit here, without regard to their risk, many as young as 11, some unknowingly pregnant.Sales of Gardasil are expected to quickly reach $1 billion.
Come on, Hank,
You know you’re the only warm fuzzy conservative I know.
“It’s time for the UAW to suck it in and become responsible and reasonable citizens in the realities of a global corporate climate.
Either that or lose it all.”Posted by whatever, or one of his trolls.
Yep, we gotta cut them paychecks back to mickyd levels, so’s we can compete with the rest of the world, and embrace that there “global corporate climate.”
Damn, whatever, you got it goin’ on, doncha? Why, with that attitude, blacks can just get back to the back of that bus again; women can just put up with that good ole boy, if she wants to git ahead; why, we’ll not talk about rosie and that back-alley abortion that kilt her; ya know, ole joe just about got his thirty in, if we fire him today, we won’t have ta pay him no pension.
That’s what we used to do, before the liberals drove it home that humans were all people, not just the privileged rich republican plantation owners. It’s kinda what a lot of the third world countries we’re selling out the working people of this country do now.
See the article in the paper about how mexico, who builds, makes and manufactures myriad assortment of goods owned by your corporate culture. Their ads includes only the ages of people who can apply for a job. That is, if you are 32, and that ad wants someone from 18 to 31, you might as well not apply. Is that what the unions should allow management to fall back to?
I gotta say, whatever, you are indeed stupid; and they just can’t fix stupid.
Scary that Texas (and now other states?) are REQUIRING the Gardasil vaccination in young girls.
Government Control is what many want when they support Hillary Health Care.
Be careful what you ask for.
BTW, in Texas, if a girl refuses to get the vaccine, do they send the girl, the parents, or all three to jail?
You can opt out of any vaccinations Max.
Is that your age, IQ or how many friends you had before your dog died? :)
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 04:27 PM
LOL Kansas, I laughed my ass off when I first heard that back in jr high. You get no points for originality.
oh, I forgot one XXX, that must be your sperm count. :)
Posted by: Kansas | September 24, 2007 at 04:29 PM
Since you can’t find a woman, you don’t have to worry about that. Thank God you don’t have children.
Or XXX’s D size.
In millimeters.
Posted by: Impartial Referee | September 24, 2007 at 04:32 PM
Impartial, why are you so interested in my “D”? I really should tell you I’m not gay. Please keep your distance.
Hey XXX,
I’ll bring you to one of our secret meetings and introduce you around, we’re all warm and fuzzy.
Hank
You can opt out of any vaccinations Max.
Posted by: political_mom | September 24, 2007 at 05:07 PM
Unless you are a teenage girl in Texas.
Parkay, ANY vaccine or medication or surgery has risk, and all the info you stated is in line with all vax risks. They tell you this….some poeple have risk for getting their teeth cleaned. Do you advocate nobody going to the dentist because of the risk?
I’m not a fan of any required OR FORBIDDEN anything when it comes to healthcare. Let people make their own informed decisions.
I never thought i’d be defending vaccinations EVER, but at least put out all the information instead of trying to spin your bullshit. Let the record show that Parkay favors women to get cervical cancer…maybe that’s another punishment for sex?
Hey XXX,
I’ll bring you to one of our secret meetings and introduce you around, we’re all warm and fuzzy.
Hank
Posted by: Hank Price | September 24, 2007 at 05:08 PM
Shit Hank, you’re scaring me!
That isn’t true Max. There are religious, medical and other waivers that allow people to not get vaccines.
All I did was sign a waiver saying it was against my religious principles lol.
The issue is the Government Mandating problematic vaccinations or any medical treatment.
What gives the Government the right to control our bodies?
Don’t you abortionists use this argument every day?
Ok PMOM, I see laws vary from state to state. Not all appear to have Opt-out provisions. (NV)
What gives the Government the right to control our bodies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil#Legislation_in_the_United_States
No politician is going to tell me who my enemies are. I will not be threatened, called a traitor, or an “America-hater” if I don’t agree with them.
Where did America go?
I don’t agree with the government CONTROLLING our bodies. I don’t believe Universral healthcare will do that.
Show me where Nevada has no opt out policy on all vaccinations. I think it’s a constitutional issue, although parents in divorce and fights with state custody agents have been told by judges they have to vaccinate their children.
But that’s like with any treatment, some parents are told they HAVE to treat their kid’s cancers in certain ways. Remember the whole Jehovah’s Witnesses blood transfusion issues where kids were being taken away from parents because they refused blood transfusions.
I don’t agree with that either.
‘Halve global-warming pollution by 2050, Europe tells UN summit’http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hmEb_7UPNl8zmh_rSquPha8tbBVw
“British Environment Minister Hilary Benn said the Bali talks should agree to reduce global emissions to “at least 50 percent” below 1990 levels by 2050.
Agreement in Bali “will have to be ambitious,” he told a breakfast meeting with journalists.
“There is no point in negotiating a deal that will not take us towards (greenhouse-gas) stabilization and so avoid dangerous climate change,” he added.
Benn also called on the United States to end its opposition to making binding pledges on cutting its emissions.”
We didn’t start the fire
50 years in 3 minutes —- you’ll enjoy the musical relief here:
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~yeli23/Flash/Fire.html
GO CUBS
“He said if he was President, he would not have allowed Ahmadinejad into the country.”
I keep wondering what you would say if the shoe was on the other foot. Let’s say Denmark wouldn’t allow Bush to speak. Would that be okay with you?
Ken, thanks for the video link!
What gives the Government the right to control our bodies?
Don’t you abortionists use this argument every day?
Posted by: Max | September 24, 2007 at 05:17 PM
=======================
Ummmmm Max — The government does NOT control the bodies of those who CHOOSE to have abortions… What the Pro Lifers want is for the government to control women who NOW HAVE that right to choose, without government intervention…
BTW, the Gov. of TX… a conservative Republican… was among the first to decide that the HPV vaccination should be mandatory… In a fairly close vote, his team won that one!!!
Good grief… we let Kruschev come here… bang his shoe at the UN, and then saw to it that he got to go see Disneyland… This Iran guy is WORSE than Kruschev??? I mean, the Soviets actually HAD ICBM Nukes that could do a lot of damage… Iran doesnt have such things…
“Soviets actually HAD ICBM Nukes that could do a lot of damage… Iran doesnt have such things…”Posted by: Chas.
You mean one of his non-ICBM, on-Nuke missles will not cause damage?
I feel safer now.
As long as Chas isn’t nuked, why should he care?
He’s a selfish Liberal.
(In fact, the Nuke would likely kill several babies, just a plus for Chas.)
Pmom, when you don’t have the choice of health plan or doctor, do you call that Government controlling your life and your body?
That’s where your Hillary’s Healthcare will lead you know.
GM is chomping at the bit hoping Hillary’s plan passes. GM has $51 billion in unfunded healthcare obligations just to it’s retired employees. They can’t wait to dump their private plans and force their Existing AND Retired employees under the government plan.
And the rest of Corporate America will do the same thing.
Oh, and when the doctors aged 50 and older get their salaries cut in 1/2 or more, they will retire.
BTW, 1/3 of our doctors are over age 50. And we are not replacing our retiring doctors faster then they are retiring today.
So, Hillary Care plus 10 years, there will be no private plans, and roughly 2/3 of the doctors we have today.
You will not have a choice as to insurance provider or doctor, especially in rural Kansas.
Yes, vote for Hillary!
(BTW, you hear her laugh today when asked a question by a reporter? This laugh will be patented for Halloween witches!)
Hillary’s Evil Witch Laugh!http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/09/24/hillarys-biggest-problem-that-laugh/
“Remember the whole Jehovah’s Witnesses blood transfusion issues where kids were being taken away from parents because they refused blood transfusions.”
They don’t “take” the kids away, PMom, the hospital takes custody temporarily so they can treat the child’s life threatening condition. I don’t think parents have the right to withold treatment for their children when the death of the child will be the result, do you?
As usualk Max, you missed the point AGAIN… You on some kind of a Manic phase?? There are good meds for that now!!
“This laugh will be patented for Halloween witches!)”Posted by: Max
Just heard the laugh. I want a recording. Sould scare the hell out the kids. (It scared me.)
Max, I haven’t heard anything about medical schools having vacancies. They have more students apply than they accept…where do you get the idea that there will be fewer doctors in the future?If you can’t afford insurance you won’t have a choice of doctor or insurance provider either, and it won’t matter where you live. Something has to be done about those who can’t afford private insurance, what we have now isn’t working..when people can’t pay their medical bills, the cost of health care just keeps going up. The cost is astronomical as it is, and will only continue to get worse.
We need some plan that will enable the middle working class citizens to have accesss to basic health care that they can afford.
“This laugh will be patented for Halloween witches!)”Posted by: Max
“Just heard the laugh. I want a recording. Sould scare the hell out the kids. (It scared me.)”
Posted by: Hud | September 24, 2007 at 07:51 PM
Typical response by the right when they can’t come up with a credible argument…just resort to the insults. Pathetic.
The same argument could be made from not vaccinating, Mary. The point is that it’s their religious beliefs, and the state is making a decision against the parent’s will.
Max, you really do not make any reasonable arguments at all. I have no doubt that the corporations will dump health insurance…THEY CAN”T AFFORD IT.
But what if it would result in the death of the child? Withholding immunizations is not necessarily life threatening. Should a child die because of their parent’s religious beliefs? Where are the child’s rights? If you think that parents should have the ultimate control..what about those who think it’s fine to abuse their kids? Some parents believe the Bible condones it.
Mary, do a google search on doctor demographics. The AMA and several other sites have articles detailing numbers retiring/graduating by year.
Not good news given the 78 million baby boomers retiring in the next 20 years, and the increased medical care demand we will cause, just at the time when the supply of doctors is either declining, or staying even.
No time, or I’d look it up for you.
I’m tired of always being the numbers guy anyway. Someone else can look up the facts for a change.
And for those with rose colored glasses, they will have to see several times to believe.
Typical response by the right when they can’t come up with a credible argument…just resort to the insults. Pathetic.
Posted by: Mary Caruso | September 24, 2007 at 08:15 PM
Mary, Hillary’s maniacal evil insanity laugh is just creme on the crop of a number of logical reasons to oppose her.
You just have rose colored glasses on, and thus you are a sucker to anyone who promises you an easy way out.
Max, you really do not make any reasonable arguments at all. I have no doubt that the corporations will dump health insurance…THEY CAN”T AFFORD IT.
Posted by: political_mom | September 24, 2007 at 08:26 PM
Then you agree with me, that it’s only a matter of time before America is left with one insurance provider – HillaryCare.
At least Hilary has a plan, Max. What do you have to offer?”HilaryCare” is better than nothing.
Don’t worry about the doctor “shortage” Max, if things go your way, many retiring baby boomers won’t be able to afford to see one anyway.
No Mary, but the retiring doctors are already forming groups to take care of themselves.
Mary, I’ve posted my plan months ago. Will post at a later date, when I have time.
Oh, and Mary, the vast majority of Americans have medical insurance today.
You want to sacrifice all that to get insurance for the minority of Americans who choose not to get their own coverage, or refuse to get a job to get their own coverage. Few who truly need it, go without care today.
I’ve read XXX for a long time and have concluded he is not an knee-jerk partisan hack as GMC tried to claim he was. Personally, I thought the comments were excellent examples of projection on GMC’s part.
Just as Bo Diddley sang, XXX could have said:
“Before you accuse me, you’d better take a look at yourself.”
What a bunch of BS! You don’t work in the medical field, do you Max? Too many working people can’t afford it or their employer doesn’t provide it. If you’re poor or elderly, it’s no sweat. But if you’re working and living hand to mouth with just enough to keep food on the table, you’re sh*t out of luck.
“At least Hilary has a plan, Max. What do you have to offer?”
Well, as GW Bush said, everybody has access to medical care – “they can just go to an Emergency Room” – which, of course, is the most expense type of care and the lost costs there are passed on to whom, Maxine? – That’s right, those of us who have medical insurance.
Max said he has a plan, Steven! I’m anxiously waiting to hear what it is…you think he might run for prez?
“Then you agree with me, that it’s only a matter of time before America is left with one insurance provider – HillaryCare.”
In the first place, max, you have no idea what you’re talking about, which in and of itself is not unusual. BUT! Given a choice between hillary-care, or bush-war, I’ll take the care any day: it would save lives instead of end them.
I think both max and whatever fell out of the same stupid tree, and I’ll say it again: you just can’t fix stupid.
MAX — Man — What in the HELL is Hillary asking YOU, an owner of Health Insurance, to sacrifice??? And I mean something you are NOT already sacrificing???
Answer: NOTHING!!!
Check on those anti-Manic meds again Max… I’m sure you must be running very low!!
Max, Max, Max….
“Not good news given the 78 million baby boomers retiring in the next 20 years….”
What year ARE YOU USING for the END of the Baby Boomers???
If you are using 1965, those folks are already 42…. and they have 28 years to go to make it to Social Security…
NOW — how many people TODAY, age 42 and older, have health insurance already??
NONE of them will be effected by ANYTHING Hillary would do… They alrady HAVE insurance… and it doesnt END when they retire…It just converts to other things…
Check on those anti-Manic meds again Max… I’m sure you must be running very low!!
Posted by: Chas.
The Great One sayeth; perchance he knoweth from experience. Explaineth much it would.
Boy the Socialist get real riled up when their welfare payments get threatened.
First Hillary dangles that great big juicy free Hillary Health Care Carrot, then the dang Capitalists take it away.
Why, cause the working people are gonna be the ones paying for you all, more then today even.
Self-reliance, scary idea.
Oh well, the sock puppet ballet insists on messing up a good thread yet again… It must take one out of proportion EGO to try to have that much CONTROL over others… Not a good sign at all!
Max, the Boomers today ARE the self-reliant ones… Its the younger ones coming behind that are the ones in trouble….
What is there that you arent getting here???
Well, long day tomorrow…. So,
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
Why is that Chas?
Oh well, the sock puppet ballet insists on messing up a good thread yet again… It must take one out of proportion EGO to try to have that much CONTROL over others… Not a good sign at all!
Posted by: Chas.
Me learns froms the Master of EGO, and his name be chas. Me has no controls of others, only whats controls they gives me. Me only controls meself. Me nots wants controls on others.
Hillarycare, I’d be happier with just flat out govt run healthcare.
No Max, I NEVER agree with you.
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Your statements; I merely extrapolated exactly what you said.
And after reading your response, I was correct in concluding you had nothing of intelligence to say.
And yes, thank you, I am number one.
Max is also a persona non grata… Will not be addressing Max directly again….
Back to bed now… Blessings all!!
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Your statements; I merely extrapolated exactly what you said.”
Then you’re a fool, GMC.
“And after reading your response, I was correct in concluding you had nothing of intelligence to say.”
No, you’re just a fool.
“And yes, thank you, I am number one.”
Oh, indeed you are….among fools.
Hilary is looking better all the time, at least she doesn’t have her head in the sand about the healthcare crisis…it’s time for a woman prez anyway.
No one could be worse than Bush.
“Then you’re a fool, GMC.”
No need to worry about snappy repartee, I see. Nor, shockingly, any substance.
Why am I not surprised. You can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.—–
No one could be worse than Bush.
Posted by: Mary Caruso
Hope you do. Count on it not. Money for all times say people this me be rich.