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STATE OF KANSASOFFICE OF THE GOVERNOREXECUTIVE ORDER 07-24
WHEREAS, the State of Kansas is dedicated to the principles of freedom and equality among all of its citizens; and
WHEREAS, the State of Kansas employs individuals that are a vital part of creating and fostering efficient business practices and ensuring that all citizens of Kansas receive the support and services they need and to which they are entitled; and
WHEREAS, the State of Kansas is committed to employment practices which will prevent discrimination and harassment on account of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, national origin, ancestry, age, military or veteran status, or disability status. State of Kansas employers are expected to provide equal employment opportunity to all individuals in all aspects of employer-employee relations without discrimination, and will comply with the spirit, as well as the letter, of applicable state and federal law; and
WHEREAS, the State of Kansas is committed to recruit, select, develop, and promote employees based on individual ability and job performance. Employment decisions will be made that advance the principles of equal employment opportunity and affirmative action. This effort places the State of Kansas in line with approximately 90% of Fortune 500 companies that have implemented similar diversity policies; and
WHEREAS, hiring and retaining diverse, highly qualified employees requires leadership support and attention to make diversity management initiatives a reality. Given that State employees make significant contributions to the State’s success, it makes good business sense to treat employees and customers with dignity and respect.
NOW, THEREFORE, pursuant to the authority vested in me as Governor of the State of Kansas, I hereby declare that all state entities under my jurisdiction shall make certain the following programs are in place:
1. A diversity management program that includes outreach recruitment and hiring, support, mentoring, development, rewards, and recognitions for achievement; as well as monitoring the effectiveness of such programs.2. A strong program prohibiting discrimination and harassment on account of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, national origin, ancestry, age, military or veteran status, or disability status. This program will include training, and a prompt and confidential method for expressing complaints.3. A program of awareness regarding legal protections for persons with disabilities in order to allow qualified applicants to apply for employment and to allow employees with disabilities to perform the essential functions of jobs and enjoy the privileges and benefits of employment.4. Establishment of an agency affirmative action plan.
This document shall be filed with the Secretary of State as Executive Order No. 07-24 and shall become effective immediately.
KANSAS EQUALITY COALITIONFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEAugust. 31, 2007Sebelius Extends Non-Discrimination Protection to State Workers:Order Protects Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Employees
TOPEKA, KAN. — Today Gov. Kathleen Sebelius joined a growing number of leaders across the country in issuing an executive order making it illegal to discriminate against state employees because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, regardless of their job performance.
The governor’s action, taken at the start of the Labor Day weekend, protects more than 37,000 state employees from being denied jobs, fired or discriminated against because they are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT). The order takes effect immediately.
“I’m very happy,” said Cora Holt, a human services specialist with the Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services. “The ripples from this are going to reach far and wide. So many people will have a safety net that they didn’t have before.”
Holt has worked for the state for two years. In 2006, she was fired from her part-time job as an instructor at Manhattan Christian College after she testified in a city hearing that she is a lesbian.
Dennis Dobson, who supervises a lab for the Department of Health and Environment, said that working without this kind of protection is frightening.
“You don’t know who’s on your side and who’s not,” said Dobson, who has worked for the state for 26 years. “If you’re not sure that somebody is going to have your back, then you’re not willing to take risks to advance your job.”
The Kansas Equality Coalition, a non-partisan group dedicated to ending discrimination against LGBT people, along with the Kansas Democratic LGBT Caucus and the regional Human Rights Campaign (HRC), collaborated with the governor’s office on the language in the executive order.
“We commend Gov. Sebelius for her commitment to fairness and equality,” said Equality Coalition Chair Thomas Witt. “We have always known that Kansans are fair-minded people. We are thrilled to see the governor taking this first, important step toward bringing the most basic of rights to state workers.”
The order lays the foundation for providing workplace protection for all LGBT Kansans, whether or not they are state employees, Witt said.A bill to extend those protections throughout Kansas (SB 163) was introduced in the state Senate during the last legislative session. The Equality Coalition plans to push for its passage when lawmakers return to work in January.
Corporate America already opposes discrimination. Nearly 90 percent of the Fortune 500 companies have already implemented non-discrimination policies including sexual orientation, according to HRC’s 2006 Corporate Equality Index. The most recently instituted corporate anti-discrimination policies also include gender identity.
Among the Kansas municipalities that have provided protection against job discrimination for LGBT citizens in some form are Lawrence, Mission, Topeka and Shawnee County.
A May 2007 Gallup Poll found that 89 percent of Americans believe that lesbians and gays should have “equal rights in terms of job opportunities.” A 2004 Hart Research poll found that 65 percent of those surveyed believed that it should be illegal to fire people if they are transgender.
State employees live and work in nearly all of Kansas counties, with the numbers ranging from five in Elk County in the southern part of the state to more than 8,200 in Shawnee County. Sizeable numbers of state employees are also found in the counties of Crawford, Douglas, Ellis, Ellsworth, Johnson, Labette, Leavenworth, Lyon, Miami, Norton, Pawnee, Riley, Reno Sedgwick and Wyandotte.
The 2006 Kansas Workforce Report provides a county by county breakdown of the location of state workers at http://da.ks.gov/ps/documents/workforce06.pdf
The Kansas Equality Coalition is a non-partisan group of fair-minded people who are determined to end discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. Our mission is to ensure the dignity, safety, and legal equality of all Kansans. For further information, visit the Kansas Equality Coalition online: http://www.kansasequalitycoalition.org
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KANSAS TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN MAJORITYA chapter of the Republican Main Street Partnership
MEDIA STATEMENTAUGUST 31, 2007
RESPONSE TO “EMBRACING DIVERSITY AND PREVENTINGDISCRIMINATION” EXECUTIVE ORDER
TOPEKA — Kansas Traditional Republican Majority Chairman Andy Wollen issued the following statement regarding the signing of the Executive Order entitled, “Embracing Diversity and Preventing Discrimination.”
“It’s about time,” said Andy Wollen.
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I agree Tom — It’s about time!!
And I can see it now, theyyyyyyre OFF and running!!!
Duck!!
The degree and intensity of the bigotry on this Blog is sometimes most disconcerting to me… being basically a life-long Kansan, but having lived in numerous more diverse and accepting communities…
Chas,
I’ll take the small victories over bigotry and discrimination whenever and wherever I can get them.
Kansas IS getting better. Really.
I sure hope so, Tom… honestly, I sure hope so… Keep up the good work, my friend!!
Chas,
If you’re ever interested in adding your voice to our work, get in touch with me. Go to http://www.kansasequalitycoalition.org and click the “Contacts” tab. People need to know that many faith leaders support fairness.
Wow. . . Governor Leadership© really did something significant!
This is way better than belatedly ripping W. a new one for exporting the Kansas National Guard to Iraq.
But you’re right Chas. . .
INCOMING!!
INCOMING!!Posted by: Rage
LOL! In the words of their hero, “bring it on”
A year in the life of the Republic Party (so far)
Does it seem like there’s a new Republican scandal in the news every single week? Well, that may be because there is:
January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship
January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges “in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees”
January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI’s investigation into his land deals
February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle “Dusty” Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts
February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists
March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal
March 6, 2007: I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjury
March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair
March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush’s energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee
March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator’s gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing
March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan’s budget director, David Stockman, “indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit”
March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one child
April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff
April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealings
April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack Abramoff
April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel Martinez
April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage
May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation
May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern’s apartment
May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina
May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contracts
May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn’t publicly disclose the event until June 11)
May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his care
May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand jury
June 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men’s bathroom of an airport
June 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution charges
July 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of former Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby following Libby’s conviction on obstruction of justice and perjury
July 3, 2007: A grand jury report declares that the sale of public land to Republican Congressman Ken Calvert and his business partners violated the law
July 11, 2007: Republican state Representative and Florida co-Chairman of McCain for President Bob Allen is arrested for soliciting a male undercover police officer, offering to pay $20 to perform oral sex
July 16, 2007: Republican Senator David Vitter holds press conference acknowledging being on the D.C. Madam’s list and past involvement with prostitutes
July 16, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski was involved in a sweetheart real estate deal
July 19: Republican former state legislator Coy Privette is charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution
July 24, 2007: Michael Flory, former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, pleads guilty to sexual abuse
July 26, 2007: Media report that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski will sell back land purchased in a sweetheart deal, following close scrutiny of the shady transaction
July 29, 2007: Glenn Murphy Jr., recently-elected Chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, is accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping man
July 30, 2007: The FBI and IRS raid the home of Republican Senator Ted Stevens following investigations into Stevens’ dealings with the corrupt VECO Corporation
August 2, 2007: Bush administration senior adviser Karl Rove disregards a Congressional subpoena and refuses to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee
August 6, 2007: Investigation called for after House Republican Leader John Boehner leaked classified information regarding a secret court ruling over warrantless wiretapping
August 8, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig pleads guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct following his June 11 arrest
August 9, 2007: Major Republican donor Alan Fabian is charged with 23 counts of bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and perjury
August 15, 2007: Republican state House candidate Angelo Cappelli is arrested for perjury and grand theft
August 22, 2007: Republican political consultant Roger Stone resigns his role with the New York state Senate Republicans after reports surfaced that he made a “threatening, obscenity-laced” phone call to the 83-year-old father of Governor Eliot Spitzer
August 27, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Larry Craig was arrested and pled guilty – he had not publicly disclosed the events to that point
That seems like an awful lot of corruption, scandal, hypocrisy, impropriety, and jail-worthy crime, huh? A lot of corruption. One might say an entire Culture of Corruption.
Yes it is good news, back during the Amendment controversy I was 100% against it because never in the supreme law of the State should discrimination be written. Either obvert or covert in its meaning and the amendment will be grounds for far reaching effects not meant to be felt. When it passed I was both saddened and a bit surprised! At the time I worked with a self described “flaming Liberal” and he was surprised at my surprise. “Did you forget you live in Kansas?”, was he response to my saying I was surprised. It was not the Kansas I grew up in, that I was proud to tell people I was from. I had faith in the people of this State to see what was wrong with the amendment and not pass it. I felt like turning to my little dog and saying “well Toto we are not in Kansas anymore!”.
Sexual preference like religious believes are a private matter, whether is be between a partner or God.And to discriminate because a man or a woman chose to share their lives with some one in a private matter.Is no more right then to discriminate because someone is a follower of Christ.
There are those that argue that sexual preference is a choice and not a biological factor, I wish to remind them of this. So is the following of a faith, shall others then block your life decision based on your choice?There are many forms of redemption, I would hope that the Governor’s actions will be one for this State.
It was pathetic watching a black female RNC person on Cspan last night talking about how they needed a Gay Marriage Amendment to ‘protect the sanctity of marriage’ at the same time complaining that blacks civil rights were being ignored.
Hypocrite much?
I congratulated you days ago Tom, guess you were busy :D.
The Rev. Terry Fox is moving his Summit Church out of the bankrupt Wild West World theme park and into a nearby Park City motel.http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/162974.html
Is this something we could “offshore”, like to India?
One must assume Terry Fox prayed over the decision to move his church to Wild West World.
Did God advise Terry wrongly?
Or did Terry misunderstand what God was trying to tell him?
“It was not the Kansas I grew up in, that I was proud to tell people I was from.”
Yeah, no kiddin’, dog. The Terry Fox etc. mentality reminds me of the small-town Oklahoma Bible-thumpin’ mentality I THOUGHT I escaped when I returned here in 1980.
I still saw plenty of it even then–I must say–but NOTHING like now.
I wasn’t that surprised when the amendment passed, but the lopsided margin was shocking to me, even by 21st century standards.
Peace,Just Another Wheatback in Arizona
If there were a war on terror Bush would have put himself behind bars!
Pot Growers Are New Target in “War on Terror”
By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted August 29, 2007.
Under Bush, “terror” has become a justification for any and every abuse of power.
Last time we checked in on the bizarro nexus between cannabis and terrorism, it was none other than actor/director Tommy Chong who was feeling the Bush administration’s post-9/11 wrath. In fact, the stoner icon, whose fabled act was concurrently resuscitated for Fox’s drugged and confused comedy hit That 70s Show, was being slapped by John Ashcroft with a nine-month prison bid, a $20,000 fine and over $100,000 in seized assets for selling bongs. The terrorism connection? He was sentenced on Sept. 11, 2003. And if you think that’s a specious connection, it’s only gotten worse since. In fact, over the last few years, “terrorist” has become an epithet for all seasons.
In 2003, Iraq occupation architect Richard Perle slapped investigative journalist Seymour Hersh with the term, saying, “Look, Sy Hersh is the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist, frankly.” As if filing a story about the doomed occupation of a sovereign state in the pages of the New Yorker was the same thing as flying a 747 into the World Trade Center.
In 2004, Secretary of Education Rod Paige called the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers union, “a terrorist organization” because of what Paige defined as the “obstructionist scare tactics” used by its lobbyists. Because we all know it’s every educator’s dream to buck the systemby blowing themselves up in front of their students.
And just this month, the Bush administration decided to employ the term to legally target the entire Iranian Revolutionary Guard, a sovereign nation’s standing army numbering in the hundreds of thousands. When you want a war that badly, you’ll pretty much do or say anything to get it.
So how does the Bush administration get away with crying terrorist at every opportunity? Say hello to the Military Commissions Act. Thanks to this 2006 piece of legislation, terrorism has become the basis of American foreign and domestic policy. Yes, the term has become equivalent to everything from ideologically driven violence to petty theft, and can be used to incarcerate, exterminate or character assassinate anything in sight.
It’s no wonder then that federal officials are now revisiting their previously failed effort to link terrorism to cannabis, the only real cash cow in the government’s so-called War on Drugs. Only difference is, this time, they don’t have Tommy Chong as a scapegoat.
Unable or unwilling to solve the nation’s crippling meth addiction or its hypocritical dependency on prescribed narcotics like oxycontin, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) recently rang the terrorism alarm to nail pot growers in Redding’s Shasta-Trinity National Forest in California. Along the way, ONDCP “czar” John Walters showed off not only the Bush administration’s love of twisted terminology but also its subcultural savvy by coining a memorable phrase of his own.
“We have kind of a reefer blindness,” Walters explained during a Redding press conference on the ONDCP’s Operation Alesia, a cannabis-eradication program coordinated by the California National Guard’s Counterdrug Taskforce and the Shasta County Sheriff’s Office. Walters followed that clever turn of phrase with the reliable terrorist designation to describe the armed growers cultivating cannabis in Shasta County. “These people are armed; they’re dangerous. [They're] violent criminal terrorists.” He even went so far to argue that the “terrorists” growing weed in Shasta County, as the Redding Record Searchlight reported, “wouldn’t hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties.”
Except there seem to be a couple major problems with Walters’ characterizations. For one, Walters declined to explain during the press conference what Operation Alesia’s specific goals were. More importantly, he didn’t offer up any concrete names of the terrorists or their ideological objectives. What legalization advocates and law enforcement authorities alike were left with was yet another hazy strategy based on loose terminology whose only purpose it seems is to confiscate as much pot as possible from Shasta County’s public lands.
more:
http://www.alternet.org/story/60854/
Published on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 by the Cape Cod Times
Ain’t No Need to Worry
by Sean Gonsalves
This week’s phrase for Orwell’s dust bin is: ”If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about” – as in, despite the illegality of the NSA’s apparent ”data-mining” spy program, ”if you’re not doing anything wrong (illegal), you have nothing to worry about.”
The phrase, of course, begs the question: Who could possibly be opposed to such an important intelligence tool in the never-ending ”war on terror”? And if you don’t think about it, it makes perfect sense.
Granted, it gives those pesky know-nothing peaceniks an opportunity to throw Benjamin Franklin’s observation in the face of endless war hawks (”those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither”), but pay that no mind, my fellow citizen-soldier. Just remember, ”if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” Never mind that the whole idea silently denies that secret power breeds corruption and abuse or that it completely ignores history (i.e., government spying on terrorists like Martin Luther King).
”If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” I mean, you can find people’s Social Security numbers, medical records, photos, addresses and all manner of highly confidential material on the Internet. So what’s the big deal if the government spies on us to make sure none of us are terrorists?
OK, sure, there’s a huge difference between some stalker using sometimes questionable Internet information to target you and the most powerful government in the world run by a president who thinks his constitutional views are authoritative (except they don’t apply to anyone in his administration). That doesn’t matter when you realize how patriotic you’re being when you simply trust the public pronouncements of the most secretive government in the history of the United States.
As a matter of fact, why don’t we require all U.S. citizens to display – (oops), properly display – an American flag on their door post? Those who don’t should be made to wear a scarlet letter, bound in stocks in the town square and pelted with vegetables. Due process? Hah! ”If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” And don’t let the traitors throw you off your talking points by pointing to the eerie signs of creeping fascism we see in the fight against an enemy that actually poses less of a threat than being killed in an automobile crash or a Category-5 hurricane.
Also, pay no attention to those intelligence experts who say humint (human intelligence) is much more useful than signit (signal intelligence) or that data-mining is like looking for a needle in a prairie as deep as the Grand Canyon. Efficiency and actionable results don’t matter, in this case. What matters is that you remember, ”if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. ”Sure, there’s a possibility you could become a bureaucratic ”mistake” and be put on a no-fly list on the way to your mom’s funeral. Or, you could be arrested because some analyst put two-and-two together – that the solicited donation you gave at the mall to the Crescent Society combined with your planned travel arrangements to visit the pyramids in Egypt ”appeared” suspicious. Therefore, you had to be rendered to an unknown detention facility before the whole ”mix-up” gets sorted out. Even if that should happen, don’t worry. You’ll get a really nice apology letter, signed by the big cheese himself.
But why stop with illegal wiretapping? This is the war on terror, we’re talking about! We should put Pentagon-monitored GPS chips in all privately-owned vehicles to better track the movements of suspected terrorists who have been known to use a vehicle of some sort to commit a terrorist attack. That shouldn’t be a constitutional problem because doesn’t the Constitution say something about the government having the authority to regulate transportation and commerce?
Now, when you hear loosed-lipped left-leaning liberals start talking about creeping fascism, you can dismiss it as paranoid, conspiracy-theory nuttery on the completely rational grounds that creeping socialism is worse. And no, there’s no contradiction in calling universal health care for Americans socialism while celebrating the spending of billions of tax dollars in building civil infrastructure, including hospitals, in Iraq (which the mainstream media never report).
But, if you remember nothing else, remember this: ”If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about” – except the terrorists.
Sean Gonsalves is a Cape Cod Times staff writer and a syndicated columnist. His column runs on Tuesdays. E-mail to: sgonsalves@capecodonline.com
© 2006 Cape Cod Times
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
Also, explore recent trends and controversies about media coverage of the Iraq surge.
Four years ago on May 1, President Bush landed on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln wearing a flight suit and delivered a speech in front of a giant “Mission Accomplished” banner. He was hailed by media stars as a “breathtaking” example of presidential leadership in toppling Saddam Hussein. Despite profound questions over the failure to locate weapons of mass destruction and the increasing violence in Baghdad, many in the press confirmed the White House’s claim that the war was won. MSNBC’s Chris Matthews declared, “We’re all neo-cons now;” NPR’s Bob Edwards said, “The war in Iraq is essentially over;” and Fortune magazine’s Jeff Birnbaum said, “It is amazing how thorough the victory in Iraq really was in the broadest context.”
How did the mainstream press get it so wrong? How did the evidence disputing the existence of weapons of mass destruction and the link between Saddam Hussein to 9-11 continue to go largely unreported? “What the conservative media did was easy to fathom; they had been cheerleaders for the White House from the beginning and were simply continuing to rally the public behind the President — no questions asked. How mainstream journalists suspended skepticism and scrutiny remains an issue of significance that the media has not satisfactorily explored,” says Moyers. “How the administration marketed the war to the American people has been well covered, but critical questions remain: How and why did the press buy it, and what does it say about the role of journalists in helping the public sort out fact from propaganda?”
“Buying the War” includes interviews with Dan Rather, formerly of CBS; Tim Russert of MEET THE PRESS; Bob Simon of 60 MINUTES; Walter Isaacson, former president of CNN; and John Walcott, Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel of Knight Ridder newspapers, which was acquired by The McClatchy Company in 2006.
In “Buying the War” Bill Moyers and producer Kathleen Hughes document the reporting of Walcott, Landay and Strobel, the Knight Ridder team that burrowed deep into the intelligence agencies to try and determine whether there was any evidence for the Bush Administration’s case for war. “Many of the things that were said about Iraq didn’t make sense,” says Walcott. “And that really prompts you to ask, ‘Wait a minute. Is this true? Does everyone agree that this is true? Does anyone think this is not true?’”
In the run-up to war, skepticism was a rarity among journalists inside the Beltway. Journalist Bob Simon of 60 MINUTES, who was based in the Middle East, questioned the reporting he was seeing and reading. “I mean we knew things or suspected things that perhaps the Washington press corps could not suspect. For example, the absurdity of putting up a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda,” he tells Moyers. “Saddam…was a total control freak. To introduce a wild card like Al Qaeda in any sense was just something he would not do. So I just didn’t believe it for an instant.” The program analyzes the stream of unchecked information from administration sources and Iraqi defectors to the mainstream print and broadcast press, which was then seized upon and amplified by an army of pundits. While almost all the claims would eventually prove to be false, the drumbeat of misinformation about WMDs went virtually unchallenged by the media. THE NEW YORK TIMES reported on Iraq’s “worldwide hunt for materials to make an atomic bomb,” but according to Landay, claims by the administration about the possibility of nuclear weapons were highly questionable. Yet, his story citing the “lack of hard evidence of Iraqi weapons” got little play. In fact, throughout the media landscape, stories challenging the official view were often pushed aside while the administration’s claims were given prominence. “From August 2002 until the war was launched in March of 2003 there were about 140 front page pieces in THE WASHINGTON POST making the administration’s case for war,” says Howard Kurtz, the POST’s media critic. “But there was only a handful of stories that ran on the front page that made the opposite case. Or, if not making the opposite case, raised questions.”
“Buying the War” examines the press coverage in the lead-up to the war as evidence of a paradigm shift in the role of journalists in democracy and asks, four years after the invasion, what’s changed? “More and more the media become, I think, common carriers of administration statements and critics of the administration,” says THE WASHINGTON POST’s Walter Pincus. “We’ve sort of given up being independent on our own.”
Buying The War
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
I congratulated you days ago Tom, guess you were busy :D.Posted by: political_mom | September 02, 2007 at 07:09 AM
Heh…yeah, you could say I was a little busy. And then Friday night, I was a little in need of a designated driver :)
Thanks, Pmom!
1. I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, ‘George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan’. And I did. And then God would tell me ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq’. And I did. Sharm el-Sheikh August 2003
http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2007/08/top-50-bushisms.html
“Chas,
I’ll take the small victories over bigotry and discrimination whenever and wherever I can get them.
Kansas IS getting better. Really.”
Kansas- and Wichita especially have always been ahead of the curve on issues of discrimination. Wichita was one of the first places to have a black mayor (A Price Woodard) and one of the few majority white places to elect both a Mexican and a black mayor in sucession as well as a black police chief. Wichita was one of the first to voluntarily desegregate its public school systems without the racial discord that went on in places like Little Rock and Boston. Wichita was the third major city in the USA to pass into law gay rights (San Fransisco and Miami were first) and this was back in the late 1970s. The law was later repealed by voters because of Anita Bryant’s crusades but at least it was a step forward that no other city was taking.
I grew up in conservative Kansas.
They taught me a lot about the power of the individual.
But today’s “conservatives” have lost track of what they used to preach.
There’s not a lot wrong with “live and let live.” Only when individuals severely threaten society should society step in.
Racial or gender-preference bigotry have not been proven to seriously threaten Kansans. But the twice-born have figured out a way to manipulate democracy to impose their bigotries against others.
Hey, if you’re a “Christian,” live your life in such a way I want to follow your beliefs.
Don’t manipulate politics to force your biases into civil law.
If your faith is worth anything, God will see that His will be done.
Get off of WEBlog, get out of the Republican party. If you really belive you speak with the power of God, go to your closet and pray, just as Jesus told you to.
Are you faithful enough to do that?
Didn’t think so.
Kev,
- A Price Woodard was appointed mayor by his fellow City Commissioners. Historic, yes, but hardly an indication of how the average Wichitan would have voted.
- Carlos Mayans is not Mexican, he’s Cuban. He’s also a far-right religious conservative who had the backing of the radicals against an opponent, Bill Warren, who had the political skills of a box of rocks.
- De facto segregation in Wichita is real and is with us today. Just look at the racial makeup of Wichita’s neighborhoods, even the lower-income ones. Look at this _BLOG,_ and the racially-charged arguments over immigration, with the gross and egregious characterizations of an entire ethnic group as “criminals.”
- The original non-discrimination ordinance was passed by the City Commission exactly 30 years ago this week. It was repealed by the voters by a margin _OVER_ 90% just half a year later. What’s more, the Commissioners who voted for the ordinance lost their seats, the public proponents of the ordinance lost their jobs, there was a wave of anti-gay violence across the city, and many, many gay and lesbian Wichitans fled the city for the anonymity of big cities, many never to return.
- Look how people fell over themselves to “protect marriage” from us evil homos. The vote in Sedgwick County, and statewide, was just under 70%. Some of the most prominent, albeit radical, faith leaders in this city demonize us for personal, professional, and political gain.
- In 1977, six US cities passed ordinances adding gay and lesbian Americans to their communities non-discrimination ordinances. All were repealed within months of passage. Of 1977’s original six cities that passed those laws, only Wichita has not re-enacted non-discrimination based on sexual orientation. In fact, Wichita City Council repealed the _rest_ of the human rights ordinance in 1999 (more on that another day).
Get off of WEBlog, get out of the Republican party. If you really belive you speak with the power of God, go to your closet and pray, just as Jesus told you to.
Are you faithful enough to do that?
Didn’t think so.
Posted by: Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker | September 02, 2007 at 10:14 AM
**It’s ok to break the 1st Amendment if your purpose is to censor Christianity.
What’s next, censoring of atheists?
Faithful enough to go to your closet, shut-up, and pray! LOL Lurker. Saving that one.
Max,
Did you intentionally miss the point of LTP’s post, or are you willfully ignoring it just for the opportunity to misconstrue what he said?
*unintentionally miss
No Tom, I didn’t miss the point.
The Lurker called all Christians racial bigots and told them to shut-up and go away.
Nice point.
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MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 105 MPH…165 KM/HR…WITH HIGHERGUSTS. FELIX IS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSONSCALE. STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST AND FELIX COULD BECOME A MAJORHURRICANE TONIGHT OR EARLY ON MONDAY.
Max,
That’s sure a stretch. I didn’t see LTP calling “all Christians bigots.” I _did_ see him chiding the so-called “conservatives” for giving up the traditional Kansas value of “live and let live” for meddling in people’s bedrooms.
There’s a real split in the Republican Party, as evidenced by some of the reactions to the Governor’s order.
Kansas Traditional Republican Majority chairman Andy Wollen issued three word statement: “It’s about time.”
On the other hand, the so-called “Liberty Foundation’s” founder, Mathew Staver, had this to say:
“Adding sexual orientation and gender identity elevates sexual deviancy and abnormality to protected civil rights status.” “It’s more of an ideological statement by the governor that’s going to damage the people of the state.”
LTP is right when he characterizes the most radical of the so-called “conservatives” as bigots.
“Max” –
It wasn’t I who told Christians to go to your closet and pray, it was Jesus.
Remember him?
Didn’t think so.
THE DEMOCRATS… Facing a funding dliemma again. Will they cower or be smart?Last time Bush came up and demanded $100 billion for his war in Iraq, the Democrats balked. They attached some things to it that Bush didn’t like. Bush vetoed it and demanded a clean bill. The Democrats tucked their tails between their legs and gave Bush the blank check he demanded. Now Bush is coming back- this time for $152 billion. What will the Democrats do? Will they give us another “dog and pony” show or will they actually STAND for something this time? I am not saying that they have to deny the funding BUT it seems to me that this would be a perfect chance to show Bush up and rile the base up. Why not attach to the Iraq funding bill the Children’s Health bill? You know- that bill that is quite popular with the voters and highly popular with the Democratic base- that provides medical insurance for children (BTW it is not free, you have to pay a small premium each month)?? Bush has issued threat after threat to veto the bill. But if it is attached to his war funding bill, will he veto that? The Democrats ought to attach it a DARE him to veto it! And if he does veto it, don’t back down… send it up again and again and let the Republicans howl and bitch about it. This alone would do more for the Democrats who could simply say “if we can spend $152 billion in Iraq, we can spend $50 billion to give insurance to American children”. Eventually Bush will sign it or the Senate will override it.
I like that idea Kev… I also like the idea of not allowing the $152 Billion altogether… And then working for the votes to support an over ride, and then passing the Child Health Bill all on its own.. I mean, Bush IS a lame steer president anyway…
The DEMOCRATS Can add more seats in the Senate NOW if…They have political GUTS. First of all, Larry Craig quitting does not good for us. It is good that we can use him to beat them over the head with the “family values” thing but since he will be replaced by another Republican, we don’t gain that much. But David Vitter and Olympia Snowe are 2 different things. Vitter is a Republican that has been found to have engaged in hanky panky with DC whores. And now it appears he used official US government telephones in the cloak room to set up his illegal activities. This would certainly fall under “high crimes and misdomeanors”. The Democrats should launch an investigation and have hearings immediately. Get the phone records and wave them for the cameras to see! Start impeachment proceedings to for Vitter out. His replacement will be a Democrat. One pick up for us.Secondly Olympis Snowe. Up for relection soon. Has to be worried. A blue state that is getting bluer. She knows what happened to Licoln Chaffee last time. She is not really all that comfy with the Republican right- which now days is about 99% of them. Why not make her “an offer she cannot refuse”? Switch parties and we will fully fund your race and leave your senority and committee assignments intact? A win-win for her and for us. I think she might go for it.
Kev — THIS is what bothers me about Kansas… We go and do something really RIGHT… like in the 1970’s with the gay rights laws… And then, it gets vetoed, because>>>>
“The law was later repealed by voters because of Anita Bryant’s crusades”
Why should some crazed entertainer be able to get a law repealed that isnt even in her OWN State?? Why do our Kansas “sheeple” follow such madness?? Look at where the Bryant Madness has gotten us…
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
If the hide fits, wear it. :)
Kev,
When you lived in Wichita were you school age? Did you attend John Marshall Jr. High? I’m wondering if you went to school with my daughters?
Looks like a good Exec Statement there Tom.
I do have one question though.
Does Kansas Executive Orders carry the weight of the law? I mean, can it be enforced?
The reason I ask is that anytime I see “Whereas” I associate that with a proclamation and not the legal cut of the language.
There are two sections to Executive Order 07-24: The findings (”Whereas”) and the implementation (”Therefore”). The implementation section is enforceable, but only for those State of Kansas workers employed by the administration. This order has no effect on the employees of the other elected state offices, such as Attorney General, Treasurer, Insurance Commissioner, or Secretary of State.
I just hope some wack jopb evangelist cant get THIS Exec Order over turned…
BTW, Tom — I sent you email earlier… :-)
Thanks for the info Tom, I figured there was more to it than shown.
Let’s hope no one from the Phelps clan applies for a State job Chase. :)
Chas,
Any governor can rescind any previously signed EO. Some EO’s have expiration dates; this one does not. Some states automatically expire EO’s at the end of a Governor’s administration; to the best of my knowledge, that’s not the case in Kansas.
EO’s can also be overridden by the Legislature. However, that’s not easy: The Legislature would have to pass a law, and the Governor would have to sign it. That’s apparently what Olathe Representative Arlen Siegfried wants to do. The AP quoted him on Friday:
“[Siegfried]said the Legislature should set anti-discrimination policies for state government. “I can almost guarantee you that will be a topic of legislative discussion,” Siegfried said.”
Good luck with that, Siegfried.
Kansas,
Go to the top of the thread and re-read the EO. The implementation section is posted in full.
Chas,
If you used the contact form, I’ll be seeing that when I go to the office. Thanks :)
Ah! I see it now Tom…still a bit sleepy after a long sermon. :) heh
It looks similar to some Federal Programs (the EEOC statements) with exception of sexuality orientation?
Another fine example of the 10th Amendment being used by States to further define their political and social climate. :)
Now we’ll see if the tool fits the job.
“Kev,
When you lived in Wichita were you school age? Did you attend John Marshall Jr. High? I’m wondering if you went to school with my daughters?”"”
No. Don’t even remember that school. Went to Sunnyside Elementary, Roosevelt Jr High and East High. 2 of the schools do not exist anymore.
Some very interesting thinking:
Friday 13 July 2007
Bill Moyers: Welcome to the Journal.
Impeachment…the word feared and loathed by every sitting president is back. It’s in the air and on your computer screen, a growing clamor aimed at both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney.
This week’s news only agitated the clamor. The president acknowledged that someone in his administration did leak the name of a CIA agent to the press, but he said let’s move on – even as he refused to let his former White House counsel testify to Congress about political influence at the Justice Department.
So the talk in Washington was of executive arrogance. All the more so as the Democratic House voted to withdraw US troops from Iraq by next spring despite a threat of veto by President Bush. A public opinion poll from the American Research Group reports that more than four in ten Americans – 45 per cent-favor impeachment hearings for President Bush and more than half -54 per cent – favor putting Vice President Cheney in the dock.
Are these the first tremors of a major shock wave…or just much ado about nothing? First, let’s take a look at the last time a president found himself fighting off an impeachment campaign. It happened less than a dozen years ago. And what was the issue:
President Bill Clinton: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky…
Bill Moyers: But he did. And even after that denial in early 1998, President Clinton lied again seven months later – this time under oath to a federal grand jury. But that very evening he had a change of heart.
President Bill Clinton: “Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong….I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that.”
Bill Moyers: For one powerful Republican member of Congress, an apology wasn’t enough. Tom Delay, then the majority whip of the House, convinced speaker Newt Gingrich and Republican leaders that Clinton’s lie called for nothing less than removing the president from office – impeachment. Special prosecutor Kenneth Starr was commissioned to gather the evidence. Starr eventually sent 36 boxes of evidence to the capitol. They catalogued his investigation of Clinton’s finances, a sexual harassment suit filed by Paula Jones and sting operations mounted by the prosecutor to uncover the details of the Lewinsky affair. Nearly 500 pages summarizing the report were quickly posted on the internet. For the next month, the house judiciary committee waded through the report. What the case meant depended largely on party affiliation. Democrats insisted it all came down to lying about sex.
Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL): The president betrayed his wife …he did not betray his country
Bill Moyers: Republicans, who controlled the House, argued it was about something more important.
Rep. Bill McCollum (R-FL): Truthfullness is the glue that holds our justice system together
Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA): With his conduct and his arrogance…William Jefferson Clinton has thrown a gauntlet at the feet of the Congress.
Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-MI): This is not Watergate. This is an extramarital affair.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI): Even the president of the United States does not have the license to lie.
Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL): Wake up, America, they are about to impeach our president.
Bill Moyers: on october 5, 1998, the house judiciary committee authorized a full impeachment inquiry……only the third u.s. president in history to be seriously threatened with removal from office. The constitution says a president may be impeached for “treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors”. Experts were called to interpret those words:
Leon Higginbotham Jr., Former US Appeals Court Judge: There has never been, never been an impeachment proceeding on this miniscule level…
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., University of New York: All the independent counsel’s charges thus far derive from the president’s lies about his sex life. His attempts to hide personal misbehavior are certainly disgraceful. But if they are to be deemed impeachable, then we reject the standards laid down by the framers in the Constitution and trivialize the process of impeachment.
Prof. Alan Dershowitz, Harvard University: The only reason the majority of this committee cares about perjury is because they believe that President Clinton, their political opponent, is guilty of it.
Bill Moyers: The House Judiciary listened…and then drafted two articles of impeachment accusing Clinton of perjury…a third accusing him of obstruction of justice and yet a fourth, of making false statements. A week later, December 19, 1998, the full House met to consider the articles. They approved two of them…one for perjury…another for obstruction of justice. Republican leaders called for Clinton to resign. He didn’t, and now it was the Senate’s constitutional task to conduct the impeachment trial ordered by the House. The Senators met behind closed doors …and on Friday, February 12, 1999, the verdict was delivered to the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
Chief Justice William Rehnquist: Is not guilty as charged in the second article of impeachment.
President Clinton: I want to say again to the American people how profoundly sorry I am for what I said and did to trigger these events and the great burden they have imposed on the Congress and on the American people.
Bill Moyers: One of the fellows you’re about to meet wrote the first article of impeachment against President Clinton. Bruce Fein did so because perjury is a legal crime. And Fein believed no one is above the law. A constitutional scholar, Bruce Fein served in the Justice Department during the Reagan administration and as general counsel of the Federal Communications Commission. Bruce Fein has been affiliated with conservative think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation and now writes a weekly column for THE WASHINGTON TIMES and Politico.com.
He’s joined by John Nichols, the Washington correspondent for THE NATION and an associate editor of the CAPITOL TIMES. Among his many books is this most recent one, THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT: THE FOUNDERS’ CURE FOR ROYALISM. Good to see you both. Bruce, you wrote that article of impeachment against Bill Clinton. Why did you think he should be impeached?
Bill Moyers: Bruce you wrote that article of impeachment against Bill Clinton. Why did you think he should be impeached?
Bruce Fein: I think he was setting a precedent that placed the president above the law. I did not believe that the initial perjury or misstatements – that came perhaps in a moment of embarrassment stemming from the Paula Jones lawsuit was justified impeachment if he apologized. Even his second perjury before the grand jury when Ken Starr’s staff was questioning him, as long as he expressed repentance, would not have set an example of saying every man, if you’re president, is entitled to be a law unto himself. I think Bush’s crimes are a little bit different. I think they’re a little bit more worrisome than Clinton’s. You don’t have to have -
Bill Moyers: More worrisome?
Bruce Fein: More worrisome than Clinton’s – because he is seeking
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071407B.shtml
Kev,
The old Sunnyside School building is still there, but is currently being used as a private Christian academy.
The old Roosevelt Jr High building is still there, too, but is currently the west wing of East High.
It sounds like you grew up near my neighborhood, which is near Lincoln and Hillside.
“…whose only purpose it seems is to confiscate as much pot as possible from Shasta County’s public lands”…and smoke it.
Ahha, so that explains why I saw Fox there at the Anime convention. Now it makes more sense.
Well, we know not to stay at the Best Western on Saturday nights. That’d be the last thing I’d wanna wake up to.
These animals deserve deportation, nothing more.
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2516
By Dave Gibson on Sep 01, 07
Contrary to what President Bush claims, family values do stop at the Rio Grande for many illegal aliens. In fact since 1999, there have been more than 1,000,000 sex crimes committed in the United States by illegal aliens.
In addition to suppressing wages, driving drunk, bankrupting our hospitals, and over-crowding our jails and public schools, illegal aliens are preying upon our children. Using U.S. Department of Justice, Immigration, as well as state and local law enforcement data, the Violent Crimes Institute has determined that there are no less than 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders currently inside the U.S.
In Operation Predator sweeps conducted since July 2003 across this country, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents nabbed over 8,500 foreign national child molesters and rapists. Many of these predators had been previously convicted of other crimes, and many had already been deported once.
The Americans For Legal Immigration Political Action Committee (ALIPAC) recently tracked child sexual assaults committed by illegal aliens. In a 30 day period, they recorded 27 assaults by foreign nationals illegaly inside the United States. The results are as follows:
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July 28, 2007
Milwaukee, Oregon
Charged: Alejandro Emetrio “Alex” Rivera Gamboa, 24, and Gilberto Javier Arellano-Gamboa, 23
Charges: rape and murder
Victim: Dani Countryman of Texas (15 years old)
August 6, 2007
Trenton, N.J.
Charged: Jose Carranza, 28
Charges: child rape (later charged with murder of Newark teenagers as well)
Victim: child’s name withheld
August 16, 2007
Huron, Ohio
Charged: Lucio Sanchez-Martinez
Charge: gross sexual imposition of a minor
Victim: 8 year old girl
August 20, 2007
Oregon City, Oregon
Charged: Alejandro Hernandez-Flores, 19 and Mario Alberto Flores-Estrada, 20
Charges: rape, sodomy, and sexual abuse
Victims: two girls ages 14 and 15
August 21, 2007
Franklin County, Alabama
Charged: Alvaro Vargas, 38
Charge: rape, sexual abuse
Victim: 11 year old girl
August 23, 2007
Bryan County, Oklahoma
Sought/Charged: Jose Retana
Charge: rape by instrumentation
Victim: 4 year old girl
August 24, 2007
Indianapolis, Indiana
Charged: Jesus Valenzuela, 19
Charges: child molestation and burglary
Victim: 5 year old girl
August 27, 2007
McAllen, Texas
Charged: Jorge Alberto Escobar
Charge: aggravated kidnapping
Victim: 5 year old girl
August 27, 2007
Rockville, Maryland
Sought/Charged: Mahumbo Kanneh, 23
Charges: rape, sexual assault, and molestation (Dismissed due to lack of interpreter!)
Victims: 18 month and 7 year old girls
August 15, 2007
Indiantown, Florida
Charged: Ruben Hernandez-Juarez, 52
Charge: battery on a child for molesting
Victim: 6 year old boy
August 8, 2007
North Hollywood, California
Charged: Chalearmchai Nopthaisong, 41
Charges: kidnapping and lewd acts on a child
Victims: seven children (Police have since discovered six more victims ranging from age 4 to 8 years old.)
July 20, 2007
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Charged: Daniel P. Ramirez, 39
Charges: sexual battery
Victim: 16 year old boy
August 14, 2007
Portsmouth, Massachusetts
Charged: Marvin Hernandez, 27
Charges: sexual assault
Victim: 14 year old girl
August 20, 2007
Gaston County, North Carolina
Charged: Ramon Zamora-Solano, 41
Charges: kidnapping and sexual assault
Victims: 5 and 6 year old girls
August 9, 2007
Poway, California
Charged: Jesus Mora Nava, 30
Charges: sexual assault
Victim: 13 year old boy
August 22, 2007
Palm Bay, Florida
Charged: Dwayne Modeste, 19
Charges: rape (armed with a machete)
Victims: 13 year old girl and 20 year old woman
August 20, 2007
Manchester, New Hampshire
Charged: Alan Hernandez, 18
Charges: sexual assault and criminal threatening
Victim: 14 year old girl
August 18, 2007
Brewster, New York
Charged: Sergio Antonio Martinez-Garza, 32
Charges: two felony counts of sexual conduct against a child
Victims: two girls ages 10 and 11
August 18, 2007
Brewster, New York
Charged: Pedro Sagastume, 21
Charges: rape
Victim: 13 year old girl
August 18, 2007
Brewster, New York
Charged: Jeremias Perez, 22
Charges: rape
Victim 15 year old girl
July 28, 2007
Tacoma, Washington
Charged: Terapon Adhahn, 42
Charges: rape, kidnapping, and murder
Victim: Zina Linnik, 12
July 30, 2007
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
Charged: Jesus G. “Egg” Garay-Barrientos, 18
Charges: aggravated sexual battery and rape
Victim: 6 year old girl
July 27, 2007
Alto, Texas
Charged: Eleazar Posadas, 49
Charges: indecent contact with a child
Victim: 7 year old girl
July 21, 2007
Village of Monroe, New York
Charged: Armando Sierra, 22
Charges: statutory rape
Victim: 14 year old girl
August 16, 2007
Bentonville, Arkansas
Charged: Daniel Lopez Bibiano, 34
Charges: attempted rape, sexual assault, and rape
Victims: 5, 10, 12, 13, and 15 year old girls
August 18, 2007
Indianapolis, Indiana
Charged: Israel Baez
Charges: In custody on other charges. Approached a group of children and arrested with a ‘rape kit’ in his van.
Witnesses: 5 children
The next time someone tells you that illegal immigration is a ‘victimless crime,’ remind them of these children whose lives will never be the same!
MEDIA BLACKOUT ON 15 YR OLD GIRL RAPED MURDERED BY ILLEGALS——————————————————————————–Top NewsIllegal Aliens with Prior Charges Murder 15 year old Texas Girl(Story Quarantined by news wires to prevent national exposure)August 13, 2007CONTACT: ALIPAC, press@alipac.us,(866) 329-3999, http://www.alipac.us
Court documents are shedding more light on the rape and murder of Dani Countryman, a 15 year old American girl from Texas, who was murdered in an apartment in Milwaukee, Oregon on July 28. Authorities have charged two illegal alien cousins with aggravated murder.Alejandro Emeterio “Alex” Rivera Gamboa, 24, and Gilberto Javier Arellano-Gamboa, 23 have admitted to being in the US illegally, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Rivera Gamboa was issued an Oregon ID card and avoided deportation even though he has been arrested for drunk driving four times since 2000!Rivera has admitted to placing his foot with force down on Countryman’s neck, while his cousin Gilberto struggled with her during the rape. Authorities have matched a bloody shoe print on the body to Rivera’s shoe.”Dani Countryman is dead because our government failed to secure our borders and enforce our existing immigration laws,” says William Gheen of ALIPAC. “The suspects in this case were shown, by our state and federal governments, that they could break many American laws without any serious penalties. Hell, the state of Oregon even aided them by giving them an ID! It is no wonder that many illegal aliens escalate their crimes into the realms of rape and murder. How many more Americans must suffer or die before our nation takes action”?On the date of this release, this story has been confined to the New Media of talk radio and the Internet, with only newspapers in the states of Oregon and Texas reporting. We believe that the Associated Press has confined the story to those two states. This information can be verified by doing Google News searches, which reveal the quarantine of the story. No mention of the story exists at all on Reuters. No major networks have picked up this case yet.ALIPAC volunteers across America are being asked to forward this story to break through the Associated Press quarantine on this story, as it is clearly of national interest, considering the high profile case of the execution style murders by illegal aliens in Newark, NJ. All help getting this preventable and horrific story of national interest out to the public is appreciated.Dani Countryman is dead due to the immigration policy failures in the US.For more information, please visit http://www.alipac.us
———-Rivera Gamboa and Gilberto Arellano-GamboaDani CountrymanDani CountrymanDani Countryman———-Background Articles and News ReportsVIDEO: Dani Countryman – Murdered By Illegal Alienswww.youtube.com/watch…
Is there a media quarantine on this story ????(Online Research)www.alipac.us/modules.php…
Teen murder victim fought backwww.alipac.us/modules.php…
Suspects in Kaufman teen’s death entered U.S. illegallywww.alipac.us/modules.php…
Murder suspects admit illegal entry to U.S.www.alipac.us/modules.php…
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2006/03/25/they-only-come-to-work-a-refutation/
Last April, suburban housewife and mom Mary Nagle (shown here with her husband Daniel in a happy moment) was brutally raped and killed in her own home by an illegal alien hired to do some painting prep work
NEW CITY, N.Y. — A prosecutor described in nightmarish detail Thursday the rape, mutilation and killing of a suburban housewife, allegedly at the hands of a worker who was supposed to be power-washing her deck.
The assault on 42-year-old Mary Nagle was so brutal that crime-scene investigators found a piece of her ear and hanks of her hair scattered around her bedroom, Rockland County District Attorney Michael Bongiorno said at the start of the defendant’s trial. One of the victim’s fingers was nearly amputated as she tried to fend off her attacker. [Prosecutor describes housewife's rape, killing in grisly detail, Newsday, March 24, 2006].
After killing Mary Nagle, Guatemalan citizen Douglas Herrera changed into clean clothes belonging to Daniel Nagle and used Mary’s cell phone to call 51 people on the phone’s internal list. Many family and friends learned of the horrendous crime from the killer himself, who also threatened them.
As is common in many of these cases, the killer had a prior arrest that should have sent him back to his nation of origin, but he was allowed to stay, with tragic results.
News of the crime cooled the enthusiasm of many area homeowners for hiring total strangers from foreign countries. “The lady told me, ‘Pablo, I don’t want to see you today,’ “ said Mr. Sandoval, an “immigrant” laborer.
To see the faces of American crime victims and the illegal alien criminals streaming across our borders, have a look at Immigrations Human Cost.
REPUBLICANS GIVE DEAD HERO AWARD AND THEN MOVE TO KICK HIS WIFE OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!
Just when you think the INS under Republican control cannot sink any lower. Now this American DIES trying to save 2 children from drowning and the bastard Republicans award the dead man the Carnegie Hero Award and the U.S. Coast Guard Lifesaving Medal of Honor. Then they turn around and attempt to throw his wife out of the country! And his wife is here legally! Never mind the 12 million others that sneak in here or even the criminals that the Republican ran INS never deports! Did you know that it was a CHILD RAPIST Illegal immigrant that KILLED those 3 teenage honour students in New Jersey? Yet he was LET out of JAIL and not picked up by the INS! I guess they were too busy trying to toss this BLACK lady out of the country! Yeah she is really a threat to the United States.http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6757555
“”"Kev,
The old Sunnyside School building is still there, but is currently being used as a private Christian academy.
The old Roosevelt Jr High building is still there, too, but is currently the west wing of East High.
It sounds like you grew up near my neighborhood, which is near Lincoln and Hillside.”"”"
Yeah I went by there when I came to the East High 77 reunion. I noticed that at Sunnyside they have houses on what was our old playground and a street that cuts the school building off the playground. That used to be the teachers parking lot. I played many a ball game on that old ground. As for Roosevelt- back in those days we shared the dingy cafeteria with East. The pond used to separate the 2 schools but they moved it up by the street and built a new cafeteria between the schools. Back in those days Jr High was 7,8 and 9 grades and high school was 3 years. The house where I did most of my formative years is located at 214 S Poplar- near the high school. It was abandoned and overgrown with weeds last I saw it.
If the case of Senator Craig teaches us one thing (aside from the hidden social club in mens restrooms) it is Don’t choose Republicans for friends! What he did was really not all that terrible. But from the get go everyone in his party bailed on him like he was toxic waste. I mean he was one of their main guys and they treated him like a case of plague.
On August 13 2005, a huge section of the Ayles Ice Shelf broke off into the Arctic Ocean. This process is called calving. The resulting ice island is currently trapped in winter fast ice off the coast of Ellesmere Island. The ice island is approximately 66 square kilometers in size, roughly the size of 11,000 football fields. It measures 15 km long by 5km wide and is 30 to 40 m thick. The Ayles ice island represents the largest break-up of an ice shelf in the Canadian Arctic in 30 years. The ice in the Ayles Ice Island is suspected to be up to 4,500 years old.
The ice island apparently calved off from the Ayles Ice Shelf because of anomalously warmer temperatures and persistent offshore or along shore winds. The sea ice that normally presses along the north coast of Ellesmere Island, even in summer, was replaced by an open water lead in the days leading up the August 13th 2005, which allowed the shelf to slip into the water and drift rapidly to the west.
Arctic sea ice has experienced enhanced summertime retreats for several decades, adding to evidence of significant warming near the North Pole. This break-up event serves as a sentinel to the changing arctic environment.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/app/WsvPageDsp.cfm?id=11835&Lang=eng#current
I don’t know JR, the thought of having sex with a total stranger in a bathroom of all places is pretty nauseating to me..maybe they treated him like “toxic waste” because that’s what he is. We don’t need hypocrites like that in positions of powerI wonder what diseases he’s brought home to his wife through the years. She must be nuts to have stayed with him all those years. He even sounds gay when he talks…how could she NOT know?
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration wants the power to grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies that are slapped with privacy suits for cooperating with the White House’s controversial warrantless eavesdropping program.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20535385/
Mary — He appears to not have been married for all that long… Maybe his “wife” has little or no interest in sex. It does happen that way once in a while…
I had the impression that he was married to the mother of all his kids. True, she may not be interested in sex, but it HAD to have happened a few times!How selfish to expose his family to his unhealthy behaviors.
He may not necessarily be gay. There is apparently a percentage of heterosexual men who indulge in this behavior. Don’t get me wrong, no one living that sort of double life belongs in any kind of position of power or government. They are too susceptible to black mail. And if you ask me, that cop was WAY more than fair with Craig.
But it is consensual behavior between adults. There is no direct victim. Though as you note there are indirect victim. But for everyone in his party to bail so quickly and completely on him? Even before the whole story was hashed out? No, I don’t think I’d trust a Republican for a friend if I was in a jam.
Old Washingoton adage I just read in the Atlantic.
Don’t take friendship personally
Better adage. If you’re a DC Republican and you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.
ANOTHER illustrative thing about Republicans. Just as with Foley, they had been suspicious of this guy Craig for years. But they only freaked out and declared him a pariah when he was outed. Til then no problem. Hypocrisy appears to be part of the very core of what it is to be a Republican these days.
Kind of like Kennedy and the dead women in the car in the river.
Leave it to Kansas to bring something up from 40 years ago… LOL
Mary, I remember Sen. Craig saying he wasnt maried as of 25 years ago, when the first allegations about him were made… in 1982
Obviously Craig is bi sexual. His wife has to live with that fact now. We don’t.
JR
That poor cop.
That job sounds like “today is your day in the barrel.”
Kind of like Kennedy and the dead women in the car in the river.
Posted by: Kansas | September 02, 2007 at 06:57 PM
Not at all like that.
Dead women?
What drugs are you getting from the government?
“As I said before cosmos, I’m not admitting to anything that Bob Carter wrote.”
Posted by: the troll Kansas | September 02, 2007 at 12:07 AM
WHY NOT???The very obvious answer is that Carter is NOT a credible climate scientist.
‘Arctic Ice Retreating More Quickly Than Computer Models Project’April 30, 2007http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/seaice.shtml
“Thirty years ahead of schedule
The study indicates that, because of the disparity between the computer models and actual observations, the shrinking of summertime ice is about 30 years ahead of the climate model projections.
As a result, the Arctic could be seasonally free of sea ice earlier than the IPCC- projected timeframe of any time from 2050 to well beyond 2100.”
‘Arctic passage opensShip could voyage ‘Tokyo to Boston’ ‘August 29, 2007http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=a0b183a6-5c91-42df-9757-a7614c49058e
“BIGGER MELT NEXT YEAR
And what particularly concerns scientists is that the thawing of Arctic ice typically continues until mid-September.
That virtually ensures that next summer’s melt season will begin with a much-reduced base of what used to be called “permanent” ice.
The ice “is going to remember that next year,” said Serreze. “Everything seems to be ahead of schedule and the models are all too slow. We’re on the fast track.”
The accelerated annual loss of Arctic ice prompted Serreze to predict that the entire polar region, including the North Pole, could witness a total summer melt by 2030.”
Isn’t it sad how fast the Repubs will purge a gay…but someone who starts a war for bs- they won’t touch him.
Think about how many republicans had to totally suck before getting kicked out by their own.
But be gay, and holy cow you’ll be outta there in less than a week.
It shows their priorities, PMom
No cosmos, you are not qualified to say who is a credible scientist.
Tim Lambert certainly isn’t as he is a known cheating hacker who changes information on other people’s Websites.
When you teach thirty years at a University in Geology, Paleo=Climatology and other courses, like Carter, then come back and give your opinion.
Until then, you are not qualified to say who or who isn’t credible as a Scientist.
It’s not the “gay” part that did him in, IMO. It’s the _lie._ No one, for example, hounded Steve Gunderson of Wisconsin or Jim Kolbe of Arizona out of the House of Representatives.
Both gay, both Republican, both out, both served until they were tired of serving.
No, the problem with Larry Craig was the lies. The hypocrisy. The egregious criminal behavior. If he had been a _real_ man, he would have admitted what he had done and stood up for who he is.
But this _IS_ the life of the closet. Like I said on another thread a few days ago, living the lie of the closet is damaging and destructive, both of the self and of everyone she or he loves. The ONLY cure for the lie of the closet is absolute honesty, with yourself and with everyone in your life. And when you’re a public figure, that means being honest with the public.
Adios, Larry Craig. This is what you get for living a lie, and for expecting every other gay and lesbian American to live your very same lie. May your remaining years are full of guilt and bitterness.
…which leads us back to my original post first thing this morning.
The Governor’s order means that gay, lesbian, and transgendered state employees no longer have to live a lie out of fear for their jobs, their careers, their health insurance, their families.
No closets. No lies. Thank you, Governor Sebelius!
Republican party has been dead for forty years, its been a conservative corpartist party, money is the blood that flows through the modern Republican parties veins. The thrive off of winning the vote rural people, which is highly ironic since they benefit the least from the party they love so much.
The hicks, the Christians, the farmers and ranchers, the racists and bigoted, and highly uneducated love the Republicans the most.
I’d like to note, I think Hilary is a very poor choice for our next president, I don’t think the Democrats are much better either, actually I beg to argue, that the Dems and Repubs, a lot of them are in cahoots together, when are we going to quit being extremists and strive for balanced views.
Oh, and I know conservative Republicans love small government, as so do I, because I’m a Libertarian, which would like to do away with most government agencies. But Bush has expanded the size and power of the government further than any other president, where is the small government you Republicans want so much.
I’m a classical liberalist, so don’t get me confused with other extreme interpretations of libertarian views.
n a more current example, conservatives are likely to support a ban on same-sex marriage in the interests of preserving traditional order, while liberals are likely to favor allowing same-sex marriage in the interest of guaranteeing equality under the law. Libertarians are likely to disagree with the notion of government-sanctioned marriage itself.
This is our problem, A marriage should not be a government contract, a marriage should strictly be a contractual religious ceremony. Our goverment, is too fricken involved in everything, IN GOD WE TRUST should no be printed on our money.
Our view is for the majority to govern our selves, not the elite rich a$$holes.
Do away with the electoral college. We can’t govern ourselves if we can’t represent ourselves through popular vote. This is not 250 years ago, when the population was all uneducated farm hicks, we don’t need the electoral college, at least 60 percent of Americans are smart enough to know whats best for ourselves.
I think “WhiteElephant” is posting on the “submit a post, drink a shot” program. It’s a lot like how I chug some beer every time I hear Bush say “9/11!!!” when he’s talking about Iraq.
Our government controls our trade laws, in conjunction with the U.N. WHO, and other world organizations, Trade unions should decide how we do things, not our government and world organizations, this is why Katriana in New Orleans was such a cluster fuc k, were relying on beuratcratic bull crap to run our country, we’re not in control, the fortune 500 companies, own us.
This is what we get, when we leave a select few politicians that are bought by rich corporations run our country. We live under a corporate puppet government that operates much like a business. Its about money, not about people anymore.
Troll Kansas,
Instead of making personal attacks on Lambert, ** WHY ** don’t you prove that his criticisms of Carter’s science(sic) are incorrect???
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/04/a_picture_is_worth_a_thousand.php
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/06/an_embarrassment_to_australian.php
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/04/bob_carter_claims_its_not_warm.php
http://timlambert.org/category/science/bobcarter/
Answer: Because you CANNOT!
‘RM (Bob) CarterStudies Rock Layers’http://www.desmogblog.com/rm-bob-carter
“Research and Background
According to a search of 22,000 academic journals, Carter has published over 50 original research in peer-reviewed journal mainly in the area of stratigraphy, in other words the study of rock layers and layering.
Carter “not a credible source” on climate change
In response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change uncovered no evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that “if he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.” ”
Troll Kansas, try to prove that Dr. Pearman is wrong about Carter.http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bob_Carter“Carter is a member of the right-wing think tank the Institute of Public Affairs [8], and a founding member of the Australian Environment Foundation, a front group set up by the Institute of Public Affairs.”
Tom, reactionary thinking is the opposite of critical thinking. And critical thinking in America is nearly dead, people speak from emotional compulsivity, no one thinks about anything much anymore.
WhiteElephant,
Have another shot. ;)
Why was this guy ever considered as a speaker?Second British general slams U.S. policy in postwar Iraq By Adrian Croft
Sun Sep 2, 4:37 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) – U.S. plans for handling Iraq after the 2003 invasion were “fatally flawed,” a retired British general said, adding that the U.S. administration had refused to listen to British concerns about postwar planning.
ADVERTISEMENTMajor General Tim Cross said he had talked to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld before the invasion about the need to have international support and enough troops on the ground to reconstruct Iraq.
“He didn’t want to hear that message. The U.S. had already convinced themselves that Iraq would emerge reasonably quickly as a stable democracy,” Cross told the Sunday Mirror.
“Anybody who tried to tell them anything that challenged that idea — they simply shut it out,” Cross, the most senior British officer involved in planning post-war Iraq, added.
His comments echoed those of General Mike Jackson, head of the British army during the invasion, who was quoted by The Daily Telegraph on Saturday as describing Rumsfeld’s approach as “intellectually bankrupt.”
The unusually outspoken comments by former top military men follow weeks of commentary, mainly in the U.S. press, suggesting British forces have failed in southern Iraq and are set to flee.
Defense analyst Charles Heyman told Reuters the criticism was surfacing “because everybody realizes this is now a failed policy and they are all casting around for scapegoats.”
“Why didn’t someone resign at the time and say this is foolish and foolhardy?” he said.
He said the recriminations were not helpful to future military and diplomatic relations between Washington and London, which have traditionally boasted of a “special relationship.”
PULLOUT FROM BASRA
British troops are expected to pull out of their last base in Basra city in the next few days to concentrate their presence in an airbase outside the city.
This is part of a plan to hand over control of the province to Iraqi security forces by the end of 2007 and pave the way for an eventual pullout of all British forces.
But the departure of Prime Minister Tony Blair in June to be succeeded by Gordon Brown has raised speculation that Britain could speed up the withdrawal of British forces.
Blair had staked his personal reputation on standing “shoulder-to-shoulder” with the United States.
Heyman said it would be very difficult for the British to withdraw entirely from the airbase as they were needed to protect supply routes and, if necessary, the oil fields.
He said he expected quite large numbers of British troops still to be there six months from now.
William Hague, foreign affairs spokesman for Britain’s opposition Conservatives, said on Sunday the generals’ concerns strengthened the case for Britain to hold a full-scale inquiry into the origins and conduct of the Iraq war.
The British government has successfully resisted previous opposition calls for an inquiry while British troops are operating in Iraq though it has not ruled one out in the future.
Hague, whose Conservatives supported the Iraq war, said “very crucial mistakes have been made.”
Planners “clearly underestimated … the number of troops that would be needed for an effective occupation force in Iraq (and) they clearly made a mistake in the immediate disbandment of the Iraqi army,” he told Sky News.
Rumsfeld resigned last year after becoming a focal point for criticism of the U.S. administration’s handling of the unpopular Iraq war.
Why was this guy ever considered as a speaker?Posted by: The Phantom
I think he’s the perfect guy for the radicons to follow. It’ll just hasten their demise.
This is the Scientist, Bob Carter, that cosmos has misrepresented. In Kansas we call it lying.
==============”My personal research is based on deep-sea cores from the Pacific Ocean that contain a detailed record of climate change going back about five million years. That record, and many other similar records, show that climate is always changing. Therefore the proper question about today is not ‘is the climate changing?’ but is the climate changing at a rate or to a magnitude that lies outside previous natural variations? The answer to the latter question is unequivocally no.
The history of climate change is the province of geologists.
Bob Carter is a Research Professor at James Cook University (Queensland) and the University of Adelaide (South Australia). He is a palaeontologist, stratigrapher, marine geologist and environmental scientist with more than thirty years professional experience, and holds degrees from the University of Otago (New Zealand) and the University of Cambridge (England). He has held tenured academic staff positions at the University of Otago (Dunedin) and James Cook University (Townsville), where he was Professor and Head of School of Earth Sciences between 1981 and 1999.
Bob has wide experience in management and research administration, including service as Chair of the Earth Sciences Discipline Panel of the Australian Research Council, Chair of the national Marine Science and Technologies Committee, Director of the Australian Office of the Ocean Drilling Program, and Co-Chief Scientist on ODP Leg 181 (Southwest Pacific Gateways).
Bob Carter’s current research on climate change, sea-level change and stratigraphy is based on field studies of Cenozoic sediments (last 65 million years) from the Southwest Pacific region, especially the Great Barrier Reef and New Zealand, and includes the analysis of marine sediment cores collected during ODP Leg 181.
Bob’s research has been supported by grants from competitive public research agencies, especially the Australian Research Council (ARC). He receives no research funding from special interest organisations such as environmental groups, energy companies or government departments. Bob strives to provide critical and dispassionate analysis based upon scientific principles, demonstrated facts and a knowledge of the scientific literature.”
“”"Our view is for the majority to govern our selves, not the elite rich a$$holes.
Do away with the electoral college. We can’t govern ourselves if we can’t represent ourselves through popular vote. This is not 250 years ago, when the population was all uneducated farm hicks, we don’t need the electoral college, at least 60 percent of Americans are smart enough to know whats best for ourselves.”"”
I agree. Such a move would force Presidential candidates to compete for voters in all 50 states vs just the few swing states they pay homage to now.
Not beat the “global warming” thing to death but here are my thoughts:1. I am not sure it is happening. Nobody knows for sure. All theory at this point.2. Even if it is happening, I am not sure we are causing it. I have heard different theories on the cause including farting farm animals.3. Even if it is happening and we are causing it, who the hell really cares? OK so it is real and we are the cause. So what. If the Earth warms up a bit and the people in God forsaken places like Wisconsin and Minnesota get to enjoy a few extra weeks of warm weather, who cares? And nobody but polar bears lives in the arctic anyway so if the ice melts, the bears will adapt and go on as they always have.
So, does Carter have any links to support his research claims??
Scholfield has a whole bunch of refutations of the AGW in his column in today’s paper…. Why dont you all go read them??
I would encourage all of the Bloggers on the WEBlog to call the Jerry Lewis Telethon number, and make a pledge to MDA research and treatment… This is a very important annual fund raiser…
Thank you.
Chas,
Is he a peer reviewed scientist in the field of climate study?
If not his opinion doesn’t matter….
*So says the cosmos*
No Nathan, and neither are you, and neither am I… But Scholfield can sure quote from them, and it isnt hard to find peer reviewed journals, and scientists who have written in them… Very simple to find them. I havent seen any such things from this Carter individual…
Cosmos is RIGHT in seeking out the peer reviewed scientists and their articles…
“This is the Scientist, Bob Carter, that cosmos has misrepresented. In Kansas we call it lying.”
Posted by: the TROLL Kansas | September 02, 2007 at 11:10 PM
The troll Kansas (with some college science classes decades ago??), seems to be calling Dr. Pearman a LIAR.
http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/minchin-denies-climate-change-manmade/2007/03/14/1173722560417.html
“A former CSIRO climate scientist, and now head of a new sustainability institute at Monash University, Graeme Pearman, said Professor Carter was not a credible source on climate change. “If he has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process,” Dr Pearman said. “That is what the rest of us have to do.” ”
So, troll Kansas, and Nathan, has Carter published any peer-reviewed CLIMATE papers???
NO. Carter just has deceptive, non-scientific op-eds at the ‘Daily Telegraph’, etc…
Chas,
Professor Carter is a historical Climatologist and he does the history of climate through his research which includes examining sea bed cores.
What he has said is that today’s climate is neither remarkable nor unique (paraphrasing) and man’s contribution is negligible in Climate Change because it is a very tiny portion of it.
A very good example of it was the recent story in China about the forest fires. It was estimated that those forest fires alone represented the entire output of all the U.S. man-made co2 emitters in a whole year! (quoting from memory, but it’s close.)
Think about that. There are many things that occur naturally that emit carbon, Volcanoes, fires, animals, oceans store and release carbon.
Then there is the issue of methane, a much more potent greenhouse gas than co2. Scientists are just now finding out that living plants emit methane. They haven’t even began to calculate how much methane is released yet.
Just the explosion of one volcano, the Pinatubo, caused a temperature change globally. Because its solid air particles had a more profound effect on shielding than co2 or methane ever will.
There is so much about climate change that no one has even figured out yet.
Temperature and weather changes occur regionally. There is absolutely no argument about that.
However, the temperature and weather in let’s say a small region of New Mexico has absolutely no effect on the temperature and weather in Siberia.
Then, there is also the temperature and c02 lag effect. It is estimated that it takes 800 years for co2 to “catch up” where it will start to rise from the increase in temperature. That’s a very long time and is a factor that the GW alarmists continue to ignore as being too inconvenient.
Temperature drives co2 increase, not the other way around. This is basic science.
We have been coming out of the “little Ice Age” for hundreds of years and of course the temperature has increased. There are many factors that caused this temperature increase, most of it when there were no internal combustion engines or cement plants to blame.
Anthropogenic Global Warming is not a settled science, it is just beginning in its infancy because of new technology and the way scientists are looking at things.
However, alarmist like Al Gore, as well-intentioned as he may be, has pressed the panic button.
Ask any IPCC scientist about what we can do now and they will agree if we shut down every man-made device right now, there will be no change for another 50-100 years. And of course, that is just speculation, they really don’t know.
So they make climate models that have probability factors.
It’s like when a weather forecaster says a tornado is coming down the pike, then the tornado drifts back up into the nether regions and disappear.
Now multiply that scenario by 1,000,000 times of all the weather events, solar radiation, natural c02 and methane bubbling up into the Troposphere and you have one crazily complex puzzle.
We don’t have enough computer power in the world to put all that data to be considered to figure out what the climate is going to be.
It is just too complex a subject for anyone to make a claim that co2 is causing it all. In fact, it is just preposterous.
Since temperatures and moisture are local events and do not affect other regions, it has been said about the IPCC average temperatures, that it is like average the phone numbers in a phone book.
It just doesn’t make any sense, because all weather patterns are regional and there are huge number of factors that affect them.
Now before cosmos gets all in a tizzy and makes his usual statement about the “troll does not understand that weather is not climate” mantra, let me say that, yes that is correct.
However, Climate “is the average and variations of weather over long periods of time. Climate zones can be defined using parameters such as temperature and rainfall.”
With that said, Climate is an average of weather variations and the things that affect weather.
Temperature is of course included in that variation.
Remember what I said about the lag of temperature and co2 increase?
“So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn’t tell us much about global warming. [But it may give us a very interesting clue about why CO2 rises at the ends of ice ages. The 800-year lag is about the amount of time required to flush out the deep ocean through natural ocean currents. So CO2 might be stored in the deep ocean during ice ages, and then get released when the climate warms.” Jeff SeveringhausProfessor of GeosciencesScripps Institution of OceanographyUniversity of California, San Diego.
cosmos keep crying about the “tipping point” when co2 reaches a certain level. 55 millon years ago CO2 levels reached 1000ppm, there was no climate crisis or catastrophic effect. 1000ppm of c02 is more than twice as high as projected co2 levels will reach by 2100 A.D.
Okay, my eyes are getting blurry, more and a later time. :)
Of course, after I wrote that I figured I wasted my time addressing it to Chas as he only believes things that have the very large “LIBERAL” stamped on it.
cosmos also continues to bash scientists he has no clue about and where cosmos couldn’t even stand on the same stage with to debate, because cosmos is not a scientist.
So what does cosmos do? He repeats the words of others who have agendas of their own kind.
cosmos has no original words, he is merely an URL parrot feeding on the cracker crumbs of real scientists.
cosmos confuses hyperlink with real science and doesn’t even realize the difference.
It’s rather sad actually.
Kansas, what is even sadder still is that YOU, with no scientific background whatever, use URL links, etc., to prove what you believe to be your points… Thus you do the same thing as Cosmos, and you condemn him for it… Well, I can condemn you for doing the SAME DARN THING!!!
“Temperature drives co2 increase, not the other way around. This is basic science.”
Posted by: the TROLL Kansas | September 03, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Note the troll tactic of avoiding the issue of seeming to call Dr. Pearman a LIAR up thread.http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
And, more false personal attacks at me…
So. The troll Kansas seems to believe that “temperature” is 100% responsible for CO2 climbing from about 280 ppm in the 1800’s, to 380 ppm (and RISING) today???
And that ALL of the carbon from the ** HUGE ** amounts of oil and coal that humans have burned has NOTHING to due with the rise in CO2???
Not to mention the human-caused rises in methane, N2O, CFC’s, HFC’s, SF6, etc..
Troll Kansas: “Okay, my eyes are getting blurry, more and a later time.”
It’s NOT just the trolls eyes that are “blurry”.
Tom,
It seems that WhiteElephant may have also been playing the ‘drink a shot’ game last night??
S/he seems to believe that “God” will adjust a thermostat, to reduce the global warming caused by human-added greenhoues gases.
“This global warming is a bunch of hot air, people are neurotic to think that humans can have a huge impact on the climate. God controls the climate not people, duh. “Posted by: WhiteElephant | September 01, 2007 at 11:57 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-91.html#comment-81380249
That was definitely an interesting pachydermic statement, Cosmos… ROFL!!
So. The troll Kansas seems to believe that “temperature” is 100% responsible for CO2 climbing from about 280 ppm in the 1800’s, to 380 ppm (and RISING) today???Posted by: cosmos | September 03, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Again, cosmos makes up another lie.
Yet another lie and another lie.
Why Ben puts up with this liar I have no idea.
Show me cosmos, where I wrote, temperature is 100 percent responsible for anything.
You can’t can you cosmos?
Which proves you are the biggest liar this blog has ever seen.
You constantly make things up, reword what I write and try to make it appear that I wrote it.
Ben, reign in your lying fanatic, he can’t even quote people accurately, so he makes things up and lies about it.
cosmos has lost all credibility and is desperate now.
cosmos = Tim Lambert clone – one that has an intense hatred of anyone that does not hold his identical view.
That (cosmos), ladies and gentlemen are what we dealing with all these Global Warming Alarmist Groupies.
Uninformed, under educated and will resort to any method including lying to win some sort of artificial blog points.
An example of troll tactics. Note the identical “[*]” sentences.
“[*]So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn’t tell us much about global warming….Jeff SeveringhausProfessor of Geosciences”
Posted by: the TROLL Kansas | September 03, 2007 at 12:10 AM
‘What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13
“At least three careful ice core studies have shown that CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature during glacial terminations. …
Does this prove that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming? The answer is NO.
The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2, as far as we can tell from this ice core data.
The 4200 years of warming make up about 5/6 of the total warming. So CO2 could have caused the last 5/6 of the warming, but could not have caused the first 1/6 of the warming.
It comes as no surprise that other factors besides CO2 affect climate. Changes in the amount of summer sunshine, due to changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun that happen every 21,000 years, have long been known to affect the comings and goings of ice ages. Atlantic ocean circulation slowdowns are thought to warm Antarctica, also….[Many more details]
[*]So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn’t tell us much about global warming….Guest Contributor: Jeff SeveringhausProfessor of Geosciences”
Kansas,
Why do you bother?
No matter what you post, no matter who said it, no matter if it is peer reviewed or not…
If it doesn’t agree with what the IPCC says they are liars, hacks, decievers, or stupid.
How can you ever win an argument which can’t be proven correct according to the person you are arguing with?
Show me cosmos where I called Dr. Pearman a LIAR up thread.
Let’s see my quote.
You can’t do it, can you cosmos.
Forget this chump cosmos, he’s not even worth answering anymore.
You know cosmos, you think Bob Carter is a fraud. However, if you compare the education of Bob Carter and Ben Huie, you will find that Carter has the advantage because he is a paleo-climatologist, a professor of geology and a 30 year research into the field of the history of climate change. (nothing personal Ben.)
So, if you think Bob Carter has no credibility, what do you think of Ben cosmos? I mean Ben doesn’t have thirty years specialized expertise into paleo climatology and you certainly don’t cosmos.
What a loser cosmos is, everyone put him on ignore as he is just making stuff up now.
True Nathan and I won’t make that statement again.
I won’t answer cosmos ever again as he is making up things I never wrote.
cosmos cannot be trusted.
You’re wasting time now cosmos, as of now you are on permanent ignore.
Hope you enjoy being ignored, no one will read your boring hyperlinks now.
“Temperature drives co2 increase, not the other way around. This is basic science.”
Posted by: the TROLL Kansas | September 03, 2007 at 12:10 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/open-thread-92.html#comment-81448317
“Show me cosmos, where I wrote, temperature is 100 percent responsible for anything.”
Posted by: the TROLL Kansas | September 03, 2007 at 01:13 AM
See YOUR 12:10 AM “basic science” post.
TROLL Kansas… so what part of the recent CO2 increase is caused by “temperature”, and what part is human-caused???
I really want to know what all that telethon money goes to. I don’t think there has been one decent advance in MD & the types since they started this funding forever ago.
I really wish they’d have something to show for it. Really.
If you compare how many kids have autism to MD, autism would blow MD out of the park.
I have nothing against the kids with MD, I have nothing against funding it. I just would like to know what’s really happening with all of that money.
“Show me cosmos where I called Dr. Pearman a LIAR up thread.
Let’s see my quote.”Posted by: the troll Kansas | September 03, 2007 at 01:22 AM
The troll Kansas “seems” to have a reading problem. And the troll “seems” to be UNABLE to defend Carter’s climate science credibility.
(emphasis added)”Troll Kansas, TRY to prove that Dr. Pearman is WRONG about Carter.”http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
Posted by: cosmos | September 02, 2007 at 10:44 PM
“The troll Kansas (with some college science classes decades ago??), SEEMS to be calling Dr. Pearman a LIAR.
http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/minchin-denies-climate-change-manmade/2007/03/14/1173722560417.html
“A former CSIRO climate scientist, and now head of a new sustainability institute at Monash University, Graeme Pearman, said Professor Carter was not a credible source on climate change. “If he has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process,” Dr Pearman said. “That is what the rest of us have to do.” ”
Posted by: cosmos | September 02, 2007 at 11:45 PM
“Note the troll tactic of avoiding the issue of SEEMING to call Dr. Pearman a LIAR up thread.”
Posted by: cosmos | September 03, 2007 at 12:38 AM
They had a MAJOR break through on one form of neuro-muscular disease in 2006… They got the FED to approve a new enzyme for one of the diseases that has been killing off the kids at under two years of age, in most cases… That was one of the biggest breakthroughs in about 5-6 years!
They have also come a LONG way in the treatment process… non-invasive breathing devices were a god-send to lots of kids in wheelchairs… It’s just like the Danny Thomas cancer center in Tennessee… lots of research… better treatments… lots of longer living kids now, than 20 years ago…. lots of not so sad families…
Kansas,
So you are NOT going to try to prove that Dr. Pearman is WRONG about Carter???http://www.dar.csiro.au/profile/pearman.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/minchin-denies-climate-change-manmade/2007/03/14/1173722560417.html
“A former CSIRO climate scientist, and now head of a new sustainability institute at Monash University, Graeme Pearman, said Professor Carter was NOT a credible source on climate change. “If he has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process,” Dr Pearman said. “That is what the rest of us have to do.” “