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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Sept. 17, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Anyone have any experience with the Metro subway system in Washington, D.C.? Would like to hear about your experiences. I am going from the Ronald Reagan National (surprised its not named international) to the Friendship Heights station. Is it easy to make changes, or a pain.
Let me know. Thanks.
My experiences dated from mid to late ’90s, and it didn’t involve the airport. But I find it very quick and painless way of transportation.
Steven,
I do not know about your exact route, but I have used the system for an entire week of sight seeing on rollar blades during the 4th of July.
I have also used the subway system about 4 other times while there for an extended weekend.
I have never had any trouble. Even during the 4th of July things went pretty smoothly.
The system is pretty simple, easy to read and understand maps. I have never had a problem with transfers and don’t see why you would either.
The terminals are clean too.
How long are you going to be there? First time?
I have spent two seperate one week vacations there and still didn’t get to see everything.
It is really hard to see alot of different things when I spent an entire day in the National Air and Space museum, American History Museum and smithsonian.
If you plan on going to the capitol, you better get there early. The line gets long quick.
Same thing with the Supreme Court.
I never made it to the Treasury or the Holocaust Museum because you have to really plan in advance on those and just can’t show up…
Hope you have a chance to have fun.
If you only get to do one thing, I would go to the Air and Space museum… that is just me though!
Have a safe trip.
Man, now I want to go back…
I checked out the map, my guess is you only need to change once at Gallery Pl – Chinatown from Yellow Line to Red Line heading Shady Grove. Shouldn’t be too big of a problem.
On a personal note. I love the Red Line’s Zoo stop.
D.C.’s public transport home
http://www.wmata.com/default.cfm
Thanks, Roo-ster,
The cost of a trip from the airport to my destination is $2.35 vs. a cab cost of $30 seemed to be an easy choice to make.
Thanks, Nathan. You make it sound appealing too. No, I am going for some training that involves work I will be doing in 2008. One of my friends said I should spend some time there. Life and work won’t allow that, unfortunately. Maybe another time. Yes, it will be my first time there. The predicted weather sounds great – mid 70’s and pleasant.
Will be leaving ICT in the afternoon on Tuesday.
Roo-ster you’re not reading my emails are you? – your post is making me hopeful that a hick like me can find my way around.
Take care, all. Thank you again.
I was in D.C. in the early 90s. I had no problem with the subway. Much better than dealing with the traffic, which has a nasty habit of changing direction depending on what time of day it is.
It was clean, safe, and easy.
It’s a piece of cake SD. The Metro in DC is easy to access, clean and relatively safe.
There ia a Maggianos restaraunt at the Friendship Heights stop. Very good Italian, for a chain. There all also other neat shops in the area as well.
SD, if you have time, be sure to visit Arlington National Cemetary. It has a subway stop near the airport. The visit will be a very solemn experience.
IF IT’S STOLEN SHIT….
YOU MUST ACQUIT!
Steven, never been there, but I hope you have a great time.
It is very easy — fast, so be ready to get on and off before those doors close, although another train comes along quickly. It will make you wonder why even a tiny town like Wichita can’t do SOMETHING to improve public transportation.
Steven, I used to go to DC every year with my husband who does a science challenge there (I’m not going this year). I always use the subway to get aroound, it’s easy and inexpensive. You can get anywhere in the city fairly quickly and for me it’s a lot of fun.Have a good time..but if you visit the Holocaust Museum, be prepared to be depressed for a while. Arlington is beautiful and The Vietnam Memorial is a must see..really brings home the impact of war..it’s just numbers until you actually visualize it.Of course my favoritie is the Naitonal Gallery of Art and the American History Museum.
’scuse the spelling errors…not enough caffeine yet!
Art…I need to get to some art museums.
Steven Davis,
The DC subway system kicks ass. Easy to use and relatively cheap. Getting from the airport into the upper part of downtown or the Capitol is a snap. And it’s about the only thing in DC that actually IS a bargain.
Even if you’re short on time, do make an effort to walk the Mall. The memorials (Lincoln, Washington, Vietnam) really are a must-see.
Glad to see conceal&carry has had a impact on the death by firearm rate so far this year.What say you Philjourney?
I’ve used the DC subway from Reagan airport and back.
Very clean, well lit, and you feel safer on the subway then on the streets.
If you’re lucky, you get a station within a couple of blocks from your hotel and can walk it. Otherwise, you cab it to the hotel.
Highly recommend the new WWII memorial, course there’s weeks of time that can be spent there studying history and art.
Oh, and if you get to the Supreme Court building, note the words listed on the front – they don’t seem to ring true anymore.
Steven I used the Metro the last time I was in DC – easy to use. If you miss a station just step off at the next station and catch the train going in the other direction. They run like every 10 minutes. We used the Gray Line buses to get around town. Lots of good commentary from the drivers and you get a full day pass to travel and sightsee at your leisure.
We are going to be in DC the first week of October. I have been lucky enough to get a full package of info, maps, etc.. from Tiahrts office and tickets for a White House tour from Brownbacks office. My son lives in VA just a few miles out so we will be staying with him and commuting to the capital.
If there at the same time we may just run into each other – of course we won’t know it. Enjoy
My husband is an airplane buff and the Air and Space Museum is first on his list. I agree with Mary about the Viet Nam Wall. So many vets were there looking for names of buddies, relatives, etc.. Many of them were in wheelchairs or on crutches. It does bring home the reality of war but also reminded me of the sacrifice of this generation of soldiers who were never celebrated when they should have been. Hope we don’t make that mistake with the Iraq vets.
DC is fabulous. CF is right, even if you don’t do anything else, walk from one end of the mall to the other. It’s by far one of my favorite experiences. Just don’t go at night, you will most definitely get mugged.
If you call ahead to your Rep’s constiuent services office in the Cap, you can likely get a private tour from one of the interns. Really, it’s amazing. Standing in the center and looking straight up at the dome will knock your socks off.
Hope you have a lovely time.
So far, only ONE CON has commented on the Greenspan quote that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was about the oil.
No guts. No honor. No shame.
America’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.
In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W. Bush’s economic policies.
Click here for more from the Times of London.
However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.
*****
Bush’s Republican Party: Shameless, Ruthless, Gutless.
It looks like the Iraqi government banned blackwater
Nice, the global economy is melting down and our joke of a media is in OJ/Brittany mode.
Fears grow for British economy as panic over Northern Rock spreads
Experts warn that a decade-long borrowing binge has left Britain dangerously exposed to the fallout from the global liquidity crisis
Heather Stewart and Heather ConnonSunday September 16, 2007The Observer
US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson flies in to London tomorrow to discuss the worsening global credit crisis with Chancellor Alistair Darling, as fears intensify that the lending squeeze could be the last straw for Britain’s buy-now-pay-later economy.Thousands of anxious customers queued outside branches of Northern Rock to withdraw their savings this weekend, ignoring calls for calm from Darling, after he helped broker an unprecedented emergency loan from the Bank of England to rescue the bank.
Article continueshttp://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0%2C%2C2169906%2C00.html
Yup, I saw that too, Tom.
Looks like it’s time for a new government, eh?
Cap’N,
Indeed. Next come the predictable attacks on Greenspan from the predictable quarters (Fox, NRO, Michelle Malkin, et al.)
Still, it is instructive to see what messages our Right-Wing PC media feels compelled to “protect” us from. Like Fox, which censored Sally Field’s acceptance speech during last night’s live Emmy telecast.
http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2007/09/the-emmys-reall.html
Here’s what Rupert Murdoch didn’t want you to hear:
“Surely this [award] belongs to all the mothers of the world. May they be seen, may their work be valued and raised. Especially to the mothers who stand with an open heart and wait. Wait for their children to come home from danger, from harm’s way, and from war. I am proud to be one of those women.”
“If mothers ruled the world, there would be no god damn wars in the first place.”
If you love censorship, you gotta LOVE FOX…. They sure did a number on the awards show!! How Terrible!! Shameful!!
Hey, coconuts, I’m baaaaaaaack!!
mwahahahahaha
No concealed carry in California, course some would say it’s foolish to try to defend your own life, or your baby’s life:
Robbery Suspects Kill Infant Execution-Style, Seconds After Killing Boy’s FatherMonday, September 17, 2007
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SACRAMENTO — Seconds after killing a 21-year-old father during a suspected home-invasion robbery on Friday, two suspects fired a bullet into the head of the man’s 7-month-old son who was seated in a car seat, police said this weekend as they released new details on the case.
Investigators initially reported that the father, Sean Paul Aquitania, was killed inside a home after an attempted robbery and that his infant son, Sean Paul Aquitania Jr., was accidentally caught in the crossfire. But a more thorough investigation throughout the weekend determined that the son had been murdered execution-style in the car seat of his dad’s Chevrolet Malibu.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297027,00.html
“If mothers ruled the world, there would be no god damn wars in the first place.”
Posted by: CF | September 17, 2007 at 11:16 AM
If you love censorship, you gotta LOVE FOX…. They sure did a number on the awards show!! How Terrible!! Shameful!!
Posted by: Chas. | September 17, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Chas you saw nothing wrong with this statement?
“Thou shalt take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”
Here we go again with Hillary care! And this from a woman who isn’t accountable for donations from fugitives to her own political campaign!
$110 billion for healthcare my A**! It’s gonna cost a whole lot more than that. And we have not yet solved the Social Security/Medicare Fiscal Crisis and Hillary wants to spend even more taxpayer money!
If you are a taxpayer, hold onto your wallets (and your guns) if Hillary gets elected!
(If you don’t pay taxes and you support Socialism – don’t worry be happy – unless the taxpayers retire early and quit paying your way!)
Sen. Hillary Clinton Unveils $110 Billion Universal Health Care PlanMonday, September 17, 2007
DES MOINES, Iowa — Thirteen years after her first effort at improving the nation’s health care was abandoned, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered a new approach that would require every American to have health insurance with federal assistance to help defray the cost.
“I believe everyone — every man, woman and child — should have quality, affordable health care in America,” the New York senator told an audience in Iowa.
“I intend to be the president that accomplishes that goal finally for our country,” she said, vowing to do it in her first term.
Her original plan was an unprecedented initiative for a first lady. This time, she offered a $110 billion a year program as a candidate for the presidency, in the leadoff state that is her toughest battleground. The health care plan came late in her primary campaign, after several rivals had already described their visions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296997,00.html
Cap while you are reading books out now don’t forget to read Laura Ingraham’s book “Power to the People”. Very telling about the culture we are living in.
Greenspan gave an opinion. Who decided that his opinion was gospel? If we don’t happen to agree with his current position and look at his position before the war that is wrong because…?
It’s an opinion. What are his motives for releasing it now? What is with the bragging and sucking up to Clinton at this point? It there an underlying motive some of us can’t see?
Max,
Every tragedy can’t be saved. Criminals bum rushed a front door with people inside and started firing. I’m sure from where this crime happened, people inside had guns to fire back.
Shock of seeing someone murdered in the room, noise and chaos of the moment, the gun men got away. Then executing a baby in a car seat is horrific.
It’s not a conceal carry issue at all and your full of it trying to paint it that way.
People with guns don’t think they can be caught unaware, unarmed, with others in the way, shock of the moment and chaos. They will control a criminal event with their gun.
1) The Emmys were on? That matters how? The Emmys rank right up there with oounting the blades of grass on the lawn in importance.
2) Sally Field has an opinion? That matters how? She’s paid to play-act; her performance matters,I guess. Nothing else about her does. Call me when she matters.
3) As I understand it, Fox did what they did on a number of other occasions during the show. They bleeped obscenities (shocking!!). It appears the rest of Sally’s little inanity got bleeped along with her “G**damn.” Only in liberal-world does that equal “vast right wing conspiracy.”
Yawn.
And does it appear that the left is unusually hyper this AM? Off their meds? ;-)
Chas you saw nothing wrong with this statement?
“Thou shalt take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”Posted by: ksgrm | September 17, 2007 at 11:43 AM
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Well, if I accept that God is a God of peace, NO… In fact, it would be a semi/theological statement for almost anyone of Quaker/Friends thinking… Or of most all the mainline denominations who have taken a God of Peace understanding…
In such case, God would DAMN all wars!! so war would be God Damned…
Will Hillary solve the Healtcare problem like she solved the Poverty Problem?
Conservative Activist Blames Poverty on LiberalismBy Monisha BansalCNSNews.com Staff WriterSeptember 17, 2007
(CNSNews.com) – Blaming poverty on liberalism and the federal government, a conservative activist on Friday said: “It is very sad what the liberals have done with their war on the poor in this country.”
“After 40 years of failure, they still insist that they want to expand this war, that they think they should pour more money into this war,” said Star Parker, president of the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education. “Already, over $3 trillion has been spent on the war on poverty, and so far, we’ve not seen results.”
Parker said the war on poverty has really been a war waged by liberals on four fronts — “war on the family, the war on thought, the war on tradition and a war on religion.”
“The poverty that we see today is directly related to people having children outside of marriage and then not working to support those children,” she said.
“They started with the war on the Black family, and they totally destroyed this family,” said Parker at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., on Friday. “They spread this message of moral relativism and welfare dependency.
“Lots of liberals got hold of the Black community and started convincing them that there is nothing wrong with dependence on government — we started seeing the Black family destroyed,” Parker said. “We saw welfare policy enter in with rules that say don’t work, don’t save, don’t get married, and we’ll fix all of your life problems for you.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200709/CUL20070917a.html
Clinton’s Culture of Campaign Corruption Continues
(Now, Hillary didn’t know who Hsu was!)
Hsu Bankrolled Vegas Fun for Hillary Staff
Monday, September 17, 2007 11:23 AM
Disgraced Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu celebrated Hillary Clinton’s re-election to the Senate last year by treating members of her staff to several days at the posh Mandalay Bay hotel and casino in Las Vegas.
The staffers – including Patti Solis Doyle, head of Clinton’s presidential campaign – also received free show tickets and enjoyed dinners at expensive Vegas restaurants during their November stay.
Clinton aides thought Hsu had gotten their rooms on a complimentary basis because he was a frequent guest at the hotel, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Hsu also paid for a hotel stay in Las Vegas for two Clinton campaign workers in April 2006, gave $75,000 to the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service, and donated $30,000 to the Clinton Global Initiative.
ksgrm,
Sounding awfully conspiratorial today, imputing ‘unseen motives’ to Alan Greenspan. Getting fitted for a tinfoil hat?
GMC70,
Get real. Fox has defended its right to air profane speech on a number of occasions, involving much stronger language. To wit:
“The FCC found two Fox Billboard Awards show broadcasts to be profane, and thus indecent, because they allowed variants of the word “f*ck” and “sh*t” to be broadcast outside of the FCC’s 10 p.m.-6 a.m. safe harbor for “indecent” broadcast speech.Fox argued that neither of the broadcasts would have been found indecent under the previous almost 30 years of FCC indecency policy (1975-2004) and that “without adequate explanation or even acknowledgment, the FCC has abandoned the restrained understanding of indecency that served the public for three decades.”Fox says the FCC’s new policy means it can punish “virtually any isolated use of the words,” with only “arbitrary exceptions when the word might be justified in context.”
Link for 12:08 post:
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Hsu_Hillary/2007/09/17/33249.html
Or try this one from the NY Post:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/news/nationalnews/hill_bill_footed_by_hsu.htm
Wow, Max… must be all of them thar gay marriages, that caused all them thar births out of wedlock, eh??? ROFL….
Parker sounds like a typical conservative who never reeally had a grasp on the “war on poverty” started WAY back in the ’60’s… and definitely no concept of Clinton’s attack on the welfare system, by demanding cutting off benefits after a fixed time period… Which has been done, so far as I know…
No longer, can you have generations of welfare classes of people… Clinton fixed that issue with time limits… workfare, etc….
Can we afford to NOT spend money on our poor??? Well, not really, since many of the POOR are elderly, and not supporting children anymore… or handicapped, and not supporting children…. or mentally ill homeless, who have nowhere to go, since we have all but closed mental hospitals…. and there are other categories…
Yes, we still have some having multiple children out of wedlock… but dead beat dads arent just the ones who dont pay support… sometimes dead beat dads are the ones who just dont get jobs!! And there are plenty of those, too…
Parker’s statements are just too “blanketed” to be acceptable!!
Okay. If the government wants to change the election process, so soon after changing the process, they should pay the bill. Other than that, I think this is an excellent idea.LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FACE ANOTHER COSTLY CHANGE AT POLLSCongress may force balloting to leave paper trailBY BARBARA BARRETTMcClatchy NewspapersWASHINGTON – Local governments that spent millions of dollars on new voting machines two years ago might have to do it again if a bill pending in Congress becomes law.
The bill would require ballots nationwide to have paper trails by the November 2008 presidential election.
That means that local governments in 19 states — including Kansas — and the District of Columbia would have to reinvest in new sets of technology months before facing their busiest Election Day. Almost all other local governments across the nation would be required to buy new equipment by 2012.
Six states would have to make changes statewide. Kansas is one of 13 states that would be required to make less extensive changes.
“Can’t do it. There’s no way,” said Chris Exarchos, the chairman of the Centre County Board of Commissioners in Bellefonte, Pa. “You need time for a smooth transition.”
The bill could be voted on in the House of Representatives early this week. Although there are 216 co-sponsors, the measure has run into snags in recent weeks as local governments lobby to say they can’t meet the deadlines. The state of New York, for example, wants a one-year extension to use its lever machines.
Proponents say the requirements are needed after years of problems across the nation with vote undercounts, broken machinery and allegations of voter fraud.
“It’s irresponsible to not have a paper backup,” said Joyce McCloy, a Winston-Salem, N.C., resident and founder of N.C. Verified Voting, which is affiliated with a California-based national organization.
“You’re looking at a national election,” McCloy said. “One state could have a meltdown that could affect all 50.”
Florida and Ohio, scenes of voter calamities in the past two presidential elections, already have changed their laws to include paper backups that can be verified by voters at the polls and audited after elections.
Some observers warn that swing states such as Pennsylvania could be the locale for the next wave of unflattering attention if the results are close in next year’s election.
“Almost every county in (Pennsylvania) still has paperless voting systems,” said Susannah Goodman, the director of the election program at Common Cause in Washington. “Here’s a swing state. And you can’t do an audit.”
Some states, including South Carolina and Georgia, are entirely paperless.
Counties and states have lobbied against the bill, however, saying it amounts to a federal “unfunded mandate” that doesn’t take local needs into account. Some question the need for hand-count backups.
The bill comes just two years after counties invested millions to meet another federal mandate, the Help America Vote Act. That law forbids punch-card ballots.
The latest legislation requires independent auditors, hand recounts in federal election races and updated machines for voters with disabilities.
“It is a very good-intentioned bill that is not practical, reasonable or cost-effective,” said Gary Bartlett, the elections director in North Carolina. “It’s sort of like blowing away a gnat with a cannon. This is kind of excessive.”
Goodman, of Common Cause, said the money would be well spent, even for those counties that just went through rounds of purchases.
“There are costs, but there are costs to having a democracy,” she said. “Let’s do what we have to to get there.”
Parker’s statements are just too “blanketed” to be acceptable!!
Posted by: Chas. | September 17, 2007 at 12:11 PM
You even read the link Chas?
CF
Get real, indeed. You’ve made my point for me. Read your post again, and it’s apparant why Fox apparantly bleeped obscenities. Duh.
Try not to see the ENTIRE world as a result of a “vast right wing conspiracy.”
Of which I would gladly be a member, BTW, were it to exist. Oh well.
;-)
MAX — How WOULD the Clinton folks have known Hsu provided their list of “freebies” you cited?? Would he have put his private “gift card” on them???
Not likely… they would have just been provided… to the Hotels, etc., who then provided them to those individuals….
As far as the Univ. of AR school… the School might bear the NAME of Clinton, but it is a part of a STATE UNIVERSITY…. and thus, not a donation to Bill OR Hillary… but rather, to the State of Arkansas… So, will the University be returning the funds as well???
And, the same with the Global Initiative thing… Clinton’s Name… but not owned by Clinton… Geez…
Right Chas, I usually travel to Vegas all expenses paid. And I never question it. I just thought they liked me.
Max, the Hotels may or may not have known who provided the freebies… But so far as I know, it is not mandatory that the Hotels know who the funds came from, or to notify the recipients of who provided them…
Max, have you never received an anonymous gift certificate from anybody?? If it is anonymous, you dont know who gave it to you… I get numerous ones of those every year at Christmas time…
Chas you obviously don’t know who Star Parker is or you wouldn’t have written that convoluted post about her. Look her up. It’s quiet a story. She’s black, was on welfare, a single mom who wouldn’t cave in. She dug her way out of poverty and is now trying to tell others how it is done.
She didn’t stand around with a hand out. She worked, became educated and made a difference.
Last year, at Christmas time, I got a $100 GC for gasoline… one for $50 from Applebees… one for a bookstore for $50… one from Walmart for $30…. I have no idea where they came from… And none of those stores can TELL me where they came from…
Chas you are indeed fortunate. I have never had an anon donor give me anything.
You show me any political person who takes ‘anonymous’ gifts and doesn’t question them and I will show you an idiot. Oh sorry, I will show you a naieve person without enough smarts to come in out of the rain.
Check the ethics involved and the reports that have to be filed.
Well, thats great KsGrm… It is good she did that… But, that doesnt mean that everybody can do that same thing… just because she was able to do it…
You know, sort of like Carlton Sheets will show you how to make a fortune in real estate just like he did… Right….
It might have worked VERY well for Ms. Parker… and that is GREAT!!! And if she wants to go into the communities, and share where she has been, and what she has done, thats GREAT…. But she shouldnt ever make the great error that because SHE did it, ANYBODY can do it!!
Thats my only point here… I am not Dissing her… But, I also dont think she understands the full parameters of the poverty conditions in this country…
Chas I can only say you are not running for a major office in our country and as such have no reporting laws to govern you.
Gotta go.
GMC70,
So, how about Fox allowing the broadcast of ‘f*ck’ and ’sh*t’ on two separate occasions during other award ceremonies?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/20/decency.hearing/index.html
“NEW YORK (CNN) — In a Manhattan courtroom where the words of Supreme Court justices are usually debated, the potty-mouthed antics of Nicole Richie and Cher were the subject of an unusual federal appeals court hearing Wednesday.
The Federal Communications Commission found that remarks by the two celebrities at the 2002 and 2003 Billboard Music Awards violated federal decency standards. Fox Television, which broadcast the shows, is appealing the judgment, which did not include fines.
Carter Phillips, a Washington attorney for Fox, repeatedly quoted the disputed language in open court, including Cher’s remark that “people have been telling me I’m on the way out every year, right? So f— ‘em,” and Richie’s statement, “Have you ever tried to get cow s— out of a Prada purse? It’s not so f—ing easy.”
Phillips told the three-judge panel that the FCC had approved the use of those precise words in a broadcast of the film “Saving Private Ryan,” a distinction that left broadcasters in the unfair position of guessing when the words were appropriate and when they were not.
In an unusual move for a federal court, the judges allowed C-Span cameras to broadcast the hearing, which led Judge Peter W. Hall to ask Eric D. Miller, the lawyer for the government, whether a news broadcast on the case would draw FCC scrutiny.
Miller said no, because a news broadcast would not be intended “to pander or titillate.”
A decision is expected by spring.”
GMC70, in your usual lawyerly fashion, you hold the distinction of being the blog’s foremost practitioner of “who are you gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?”
“Last year, at Christmas time, I got a $100 GC for gasoline… one for $50 from Applebees… one for a bookstore for $50… one from Walmart for $30…. I have no idea where they came from… And none of those stores can TELL me where they came from… ”
SURELY you’re not claiming that’s comparable?!!! ROFLMAO
It’s called willful ignorance (if ignorance at all), Chad. So she can maintain deniability without crossing her crooked little fingers behind her back.
Oh, one more thing GMC70: I don’t see the “ENTIRE world as the result of one big right-wing conspiracy”–just Fox Network.
Only you can understand poverty right? She couldn’t because…. Chas you are a cop out. You don’t read the links – just come in with the critizism and then tried to waffle out.
Face it you goofed and owe Ms. Parker an apology. Stop making excuses for others. If someone is told often enough they ‘can’t’ do something they eventually start to believe it. It is called predestination in psychological terms.
I believe those hotel perks were for individuals… NOT given as campaign expenses…
I dont think an individual employee of a campaign is covered under campaign reporting procedures… I think that is something that would have to have some kind of legal research…
As far as I can tell, those were individuals receiving gifts, and the gifts came from the HOTELS involved… not from an individual…. You might want to double check that…
BTW, I get many anonymouse gifts every year at Christmas… Many parishoners dont want their Pastor to know WHO is giving a gift to them… They dont want any kind of special treatment… And I do understand that..
But it is somewhat frustrating, since all I can do is put in a blanket statement in the next Newsletter thanking the members for their many gifts during the holidays…
Sigh.
CF . . .
Once again, you make my point for me.
Don’t ya think that the fact that Fox got it’s hands slapped in 2002 and 2003 might just have led to a decision to bleep obscentities in 2007? That they might prefer to avoid a court battle again?
Duh. I’d bleep too. I’d note that I understand they also bleeped parts of Ray Romano’s comments that were “bad words,” as well as others. Imagine that!
But that doesn’t fit with “conspiracy world,” I guess. Whatever.
Max, have you never received an anonymous gift certificate from anybody??
Posted by: Chas. | September 17, 2007 at 12:20 PM
I don’t think what Chas receives as gifts is a fair comparison to what is expected by law for our politicians. Apples and oranges.
Further, many people paying for free gifts/gift certificates don’t pay cash. There will be an audit trail back to the purchaser credit card of cancelled check.
At least I do, as I enjoy having as many donations count at tax time.
Hotdog… Hsu’s “anonymous gifts” wouldnt be eligible for tax write-offs anyway, I dont think…
Also, Hotdog… I didnt think I read that anybody receiving the Hotel perks was an actual politician(elected person)… Looks like they were individual campaign workers… Again, I would need to see some kind of legal work-up to make sure, but I do not think an individual campaign worker would fall under the “campaign finance” rules…
Now, maybe IF the perks were given to those individuals BY the campaign itself, there might be some question…
But still, the Hotel wouldnt be liable to provide the name of the “giver” of the freebie…
ALSO, anybody giving me an anonymous gift would not be able to use it as a tax deduction…
“Contributions to a Campaign for President are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. Corporate contributions are prohibited by law.”– Hillary’s Web Site –
“Parker sounds like a typical conservative who never reeally had a grasp on the “war on poverty” started WAY back in the ’60’s… and definitely no concept of Clinton’s attack on the welfare system, by demanding cutting off benefits after a fixed time period… Which has been done, so far as I know… ”
As far as you know? Had you even bothered checking any number of govt websites, you would realize the error of your statement. Yes, there have been some modest drops in welfare, but nothing compared to what was supposed to happen. The law had, and still has, too many exceptions and allowances that encourage and allow people that are supposed to be dropped to stay on.
Hey Tom, did you see where the neocons (you know, the ones who said they have nothing against gays, but wanted to ‘defend marriage’ with their hate amendment) were all in arms over Kathleen’s order that sexual orientation be protected for state employees? They’re saying now that the Marriage Amendment should bar gays from protection. Isn’t that lovely?
Now WHO here still says it wasn’t an anti-gay piece of legislation?
No it’s Pro-Marriage Pmom. What is it you fail to understand about that?
Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, has conceded that the worldwide Anglican communion might have to break apart to resolve its vicious internecine quarrel after the appointment of an openly gay bishop.
Dr Williams’ move came less than a week after the US Episcopal church’s general convention passed a resolution offering restraint over the consecration of more gay bishops after its election three years ago of Gene Robinson, a bishop in a same-sex partnership. Church conservatives, especially in the developing world but also among groups hoping to wrest control of the American church from its liberal leadership, had demanded that it should repent its action, but the church’s contrition fell well short of that. (A 30 Sept deadline looms for the US Episcopal church).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/0,,1807636,00.html
I don’t think I understand all these churches rulings on gay preachers, union, and marriage.
Either you believe what the Word of God says – within your own faith, or you don’t.
The standard didn’t change. Only the behavior of the members.
Come one, come all, poster Max will buy the beer for all bloggers who show up:
http://www.downtownkc.org/oktoberfest.aspx?pgID=1022
Pmom,
You mean the Harris News Service piece in today’s Hutch News? Yeah, I saw that. And you saw how I responded in it, too.
It’s alllllll politics. The radical “conservatives” see gay and lesbian Kansans as nothing more than convenient political punching bags. Anytime some gay person MIGHT get a fair shake, Kinzer and Huelskamp have to trot out the BOO!!! GAY MARRIAGE!! monster.
“Planned Parenthood desired to hold up my scalp and say, ‘This is a public office holder. If you’re thinking of taking us on, you will be next.’ All around the nation, prosecutors are deciding to look the other way. . . . The first thing predators do is teach their victims to lie, because they can only operate in secrecy. The second thing they need is the cowardice of adults who look the other way.”. . . former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, on the fomenting nationwide crisis in the breakdown of law enforcement in abortion mills, and the lack of protection for victims of rape, statutory rape, and coerced abortion. . .
Girls under 15 account for about 270 abortions a year in Ohio, according to Department of Health records. So how many times do abortion clinics report the rapes and sexual abuse that caused those pregnancies? The answer: We’re not allowed to ask. The leftist, activist, baby-hating First District Court of Appeals overruled a lower court to say Planned Parenthood abortion mills don’t have to open their records on underage abortions, even if all names, addresses and personal information are deleted.Leftist federal Judge Mark Painter, joined by leftist Judges Sylvia Hendon and Penelope Cunningham, ruled that the plaintiffs can’t get records they need to prove a pattern of ignoring rapes – because they haven’t proved that the well-known pattern of ignoring rapes exists in Planned Parenthood abortion mills. Leftist, baby-hating Judge Painter actually trivialized in his opinion the case of a 13-year-old rape and coerced abortion victim, arguing that rooting around in redacted abortion records and finding a thousand violations would not prove their case, and would result in privacy invasion [of the rapists?].- – -
“I loved and wanted my baby very much. I loved her so much that I would rather her go back to God than suffer for even one day.”. . . a mother deceived into contracting the killing of her late-term baby, convinced that God puts us here to live without any suffering[Birth defects do not justify a violation of the Kansas post-viable abortion ban. Spina bifida and hydrocephalus and heart defects are treatable with surgery, even prenatal surgery, though it is more expensive than abortionist quack Tiller's poison needle.]For evidence that the Sedgwick County grand jury will need to use, evidence that Tiller was illegally killing viable babies with birth defects in 2005, see Kansas violation pagehttp://aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansasntd.htmland Kansas violation pagehttp://aheartbreakingchoice.com/maryland.htmland Kansas violation pagehttp://aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansas2.html- – -
Hog Futures Hillary told an NAACP banquet Saturday that the “scales of justice are seriously out of balance” for black Americans, after promoting an abortion rate 3 times higher for black babies in America’s abortion mills, in order to reduce the numbers of undesirable minorities, according to the Nazi dictates of eugenicist Margaret Sanger.
GMC70,
Here’s a bit of profanity aired by Fox Network earlier this year that pushes back against Right Wing “coincidence” world. It comes from the Wingnuts at the “Media Research Center,” no less.
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“After a successful Saints play during their recent play-off victory over the Philadelphia, the Fox broadcast featured a close-up on three cheering fans. In the middle, as the center of camera attention, was a bouncing blonde woman in a skimpy black T-shirt with ironed-on letters clearly reading “F— DA EAGLES,” unedited.
Thanks, Fox, for entertaining my little boy this way.
This was not an incidental “oops” shot by Fox. Let us count the ways. 1) Out of 70,000 fans, this girl was targeted for coverage by the cameraman. 2) It wasn’t a fleeting Janet Jackson moment: it stayed on screen for several seconds. 3) It wasn’t even a live shot, where such mistakes can happen. That display of Saint fans’ exultation was shot, then replayed after a replay of the successful action on the field. Thus 4) it had to be the director’s decision deliberately to air this footage on national television.
On national television. At about 8:30 p.m., during the “family hour” for those on the East Coast; 5:30 p.m., smack in the middle of the afternoon for those on the West Coast. When millions of youngsters were watching.”
http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2007/col20070119.asp
Everybody knows that Fox’s mission is to push the Right-Wing agenda. It is self-evident. Denying it doesn’t enhance your credibility, GMC70.
Chas me thinks thou doest protest to much. If only Clinton workers were ‘honored’ by this hotel well an astute campaign leader would back up and look closer. Even the appearance of corruption should say halt!
Do you not think that Hillary knew something when her entire staff was gone that week. Even the smartest lady in the nation would have thought something was up don’t you think?
Compare this to some of the Abramhoff antics and tell me the difference.
skimpy black T-shirt with ironed-on letters clearly reading “F— DA EAGLES,” unedited.Posted by: CF2K | September 17, 2007 at 02:48 PM
Darn! I missed that game! Well the blonde was right.
No it’s Pro-Marriage Pmom. What is it you fail to understand about that?
Posted by: Max | September 17, 2007 at 01:25 PM
PMOM obviously doesn’t understand that marriage is biblically a treasured ceremony between a man and woman. For a Christian to profess their beliefs is criminal in the gay world. In fact, they are labeled names, and declared ANTI-gay, and thrown out to the far right. It does not matter to the libs that many consider the sanctity of marriage a Godly thing.
They are blind and disrespectful to anyone expressing these views.
For this cause, the man shall join with this man?
Is that the twisted Chas/Pmom version?
If the Bible isn’t the foundation for marriage, what is?
Come one, come all, poster Max will buy the beer for all bloggers who show up:
http://www.downtownkc.org/oktoberfest.aspx?pgID=1022
Posted by: American Way | September 17, 2007 at 02:30 PM
Well maybe one round. Would be nice to meet you American Way, and Hank, and Nathan, and GMC, even you Tripple X, and a few others.
It’s a long way from Des Moines, isn’t it, Max?
Max,
Every religion, every culture, every society created by mankind has marriage. It’s not uniquely Christian. Hindus have it, Buddhists, Moslems, even atheists. So, to answer your question, no, the Bible is _not_ the foundation for marriage.
Human nature is the foundation for marriage, just as many, many other species also pair-bond for life.
Human nature is the foundation for marriage, just as many, many other species also pair-bond for life.
Posted by: Tom | September 17, 2007 at 03:21 PM
And I’m sorry Tom but that’s where you and I part ways. I believe it is a religious event based upon my belief system as I learned in church and my parents.
From my perspective, it is God. That many religions profess the same around the world only reinforces that belief in God’s written Word.
Well maybe one round. Would be nice to meet you American Way, and Hank, and Nathan, and GMC, even you Tripple X, and a few others.
Posted by: Max | September 17, 2007 at 03:19 PM
Well Max if I talked you into it, get your NIC stenciled on a RED t-shirt below the BLOGS.KANSAS, and we can figure out where you can put your money on the bar.
I would expect to see Capt America in a blue tshirt.
I wonder if the Lurker would come in a tie-died one?
Ah yes, american way, but where do many religions get their practices and ceremonies? From none other than human nature…
Your church doesn’t want to allow gay marriage? Fine… I think the argument many same-sex couples have is more along the lines of, if they wish to have a civil ceremony perfomed by the state called “marriage” then they should be able to… I mean, come on, already, if a church doesn’t want to marry a couple, they don’t have to… I know many couples that have been turned away from churches because of pregnancies or children born out of wedlock or many other reasons… But the state does not turn them away… and neither should they turn away same-sex couples… if the state can perform marriage, hell if Elvis can perform marriage, then no, it is not a solely religious rite…
‘Humans implicated in rising water vapor’http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6919307
“The case implicating humans’ role in climate change was bolstered this week by another fingerprint, this one on water vapor in the atmosphere.
Scientists used computer models that simulate the climate to show that the rise in water vapor could not have been caused by natural climate fluctuations alone.
But when man-made greenhouse-gas emissions are included in the models, the resulting atmospheric water vapor increases are very close to those actually observed over the past two decades.”
CF
The one thing we know about what “everybody knows” is that “everybody” is usually wrong.
Remember Fox Entertainment is a different animal that that horrible eeeeeeviiiil Fox News. I’d also point out that poor Ms. Fields comments were not the only ones bleeped.
No accounting for a director at a football game’s camera shot choices; I won’t try. Was it on the usual 7 sec. delay? I don’t know.
Fanticize and conspiratorialize all you like, CF. This is America, after all. You have the right to be wrong. You can join the 9-11 conspiracy nuts, the Trilateral Commission nuts, etc. for all I care. That you accept this balony mindlessly from DU/DailyKos speak poorly of YOUR credibility.
GMC70,
That you wrongly identify me as a reader of DailyKos and DU speaks poorly of YOUR credibility. As does your attempt to draw a distinction–without a difference–between Fox Entertainment and the News Corporation, the former of which is a subsidiary of the latter. Both are owned by Rupert Murdoch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Entertainment_Group
As for ‘everybody is usually wrong,’ well, GMC70, if it walks and quacks like a duck, dollars to donuts, it’s probably a duck. And in the case of Fox, if its owner is unapologetically favorable to Right-Wing causes, and if its various broadcasts can be shown to support and favor the Right Wing “conventional wisdom” narrative, then the conventional wisdom is pretty darn good on this occasion.
The tortured effort to deny what everybody knows they’re seeing, GMC70, marks you as a ‘coincidence theorist’ of the highest order.
CF -
You are indeed walking and writing proof of the truth of the old statement: There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Good day.
A very good editorial,
‘The issue of our time’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/09/ED0ES028J.DTL
“THERE SHOULD be no doubt that global warming is the most compelling issue of our time. If unchecked, it will threaten our national security, stress our economy and degrade our quality of life in so many ways. Our willingness to confront this unprecedented heating of the planet is a test of our moral obligation to our children and their children.”
More at link.
For all you baseball fans, the guy that bought bonds record breaking ball is taking votes on whether to donate it to the hall of fame, brand it with an * and donate it, or to have it blasted into space.You can vote at http://www.vote756.com/marcecko/
“By Bob WoodwardWashington Post Staff WriterMonday, September 17, 2007; A03
Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said in an interview that the removal of Saddam Hussein had been “essential” to secure world oil supplies, a point he emphasized to the White House in private conversations before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.”
Just a little clarification by Greenspan. Guess he didn’t mean what he wrote afterall.
Clarification doesn’t change anything.
Phantom maybe doesn’t change anything but does clarify his position when he says he was telling Bush aides we shouldn’t go into Iraq when by his own admission he was doing just the opposite.
Spirit CFO on list of highest paid CFOs.
http://209.104.135.85/financialweek/topcfos/index.asp
He needs to thank, in part, those whose retirement was plundered.
Feds: Prosecutor Sought Sex With Girl, 5
Sep 17 08:15 PM US/EasternBy DAVID N. GOODMANAssociated Press Writer
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DETROIT (AP) – An assistant U.S. attorney from Florida was arrested in an Internet sting operation after flying to Michigan to have sex with a 5-year-old girl, authorities said Monday.
John D.R. Atchison, 53, was arrested Sunday at Detroit Metropolitan Airport after several weeks of Internet conversations between the prosecutor and a detective posing as the mother of a 5-year-old girl, authorities say.
“There wasn’t much reaction from him at all,” Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said. Atchison was cooperative with authorities, he said.
He was charged with using interstate communication to entice a minor to have sexual contact and traveling across state lines with the intent of engaging in illicit sexual contact. If convicted of both charges, he faces up to 40 years in prison.
According to court records, Atchison initiated an online chat Aug. 29 with an undercover officer posing as a mother interested in letting men have sex with her daughter.
At one point, Atchison said: “I’m always gentle and loving; not to worry; no damage ever; no rough stuff ever ever,” according to an affidavit filed in court.
Atchison, of Gulf Breeze, Fla., is a prosecutor for the U.S. attorney’s office for northern Florida, based in Tallahassee. He requested a court-appointed lawyer at his hearing Monday.
I am so proud of our piers,,,,,,not
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not a bad idea:China will initiate its first-ever nationwide “no car day” this weekend in an effort to promote environmental health and alleviate increasingly gridlocked urban roads, state press said Monday.
Residents in 108 cities will be urged to take public transport, ride bikes or walk on the nation’s first “no car day” on Saturday, the China Daily reported.
“The move is an attempt to raise residents’ awareness on energy saving and environmental protection because the country’s cities are plagued by traffic congestion and pollution,” the paper said.
It did not say why the Ministry of Construction, the sponsor of the activity, chose a Saturday to hold the event.
Government officials and state-run enterprise employees in some cities would be encouraged not to drive, while other urban centres would ban government-owned cars from taking to the roads altogether, it added.
A week-long campaign to publicise the government’s goal of getting 50 percent of the nation’s urban residents to use public transport instead of private cars would also be initiated, it said.
China’s auto industry has been a key component of the nation’s booming economy with vehicle production rising by 32.7 percent in July compared to the same period last year.
Democrats claim Gen. David Petraeus’ report to Congress on the surge was a put-up job with a pre-ordained conclusion. As if their response wasn’t.
Democrats yearn for America to be defeated on the battlefield and oppose any use of the military — except when they can find individual malcontents in the military willing to denounce the war and call for a humiliating retreat.
It’s been the same naysaying from these people since before we even invaded Iraq — despite the fact that their representatives in Congress voted in favor of that war.
Mark Bowden, author of “Black Hawk Down,” warned Americans in the Aug. 30, 2002, Los Angeles Times of 60,000 to 100,000 dead American troops if we invaded Iraq — comparing an Iraq war to Vietnam and a Russian battle in Chechnya. He said Iraqis would fight the Americans “tenaciously” and raised the prospect of Saddam using weapons of mass destruction against our troops, an attack on Israel “and possibly in the United States.”
On Sept. 14, 2002, The New York Times’ Frank Rich warned of another al-Qaida attack in the U.S. if we invaded Iraq, noting that since “major al-Qaida attacks are planned well in advance and have historically been separated by intervals of 12 to 24 months, we will find out how much we’ve been distracted soon enough.”
This week makes it six years since a major al-Qaida attack. I guess we weren’t distracted. But it looks like al-Qaida has been.
Weeks before the invasion, in March 2003, the Times’ Nicholas Kristof warned in a couple of columns that if we invaded Iraq, “the Turks, Kurds, Iraqis and Americans will all end up fighting over the oil fields of Kirkuk or Mosul.” He said: “The world has turned its back on the Kurds more times than I can count, and there are signs that we’re planning to betray them again.” He announced that “the United States is perceived as the world’s newest Libya.”
The day after we invaded, Kristof cited a Muslim scholar for the proposition that if Iraqis felt defeated, they would embrace Islamic fundamentalism.
We took Baghdad in about 17 days flat with amazingly few casualties. There were no al-Qaida attacks in America, no attacks on Israel, no invasion by Turkey, no attacks on our troops with chemical weapons, no ayatollahs running Iraq. We didn’t turn our back on the Kurds. There were certainly not 100,000 dead American troops.
But liberals soon began raising yet more pointless quibbles. For most of 2003, they said the war was a failure because we hadn’t captured Saddam Hussein. Then we captured Saddam, and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean complained that “the capture of Saddam has not made America safer.” (On the other hand, Howard Dean’s failure to be elected president definitely made America safer.)
Next, liberals said the war was a failure because we hadn’t captured Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Then we killed al-Zarqawi and a half-dozen of his aides in an air raid. Then they said the war was a failure because … you get the picture.
The Democrats’ current talking point is that “there can be no military solution in Iraq without a political solution.” But back when we were imposing a political solution, Democrats’ talking point was that there could be no political solution without a military solution.
They said the first Iraqi election, scheduled for January 2005, wouldn’t happen because there was no “security.”
Noted Middle East peace and security expert Jimmy Carter told NBC’s “Today” show in September 2004 that he was confident the elections would not take place. “I personally do not believe they’re going to be ready for the election in January … because there’s no security there,” he said.
At the first presidential debate in September 2004, Sen. John Kerry used his closing statement to criticize the scheduled Iraqi elections saying: “They can’t have an election right now. The president’s not getting the job done.”
About the same time, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he doubted there would be elections in January, saying, “You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now” — although he may have been referring here to a possible vote of the U.N. Security Council.
In October 2004, Nicholas Lemann wrote in The New Yorker that “it may not be safe enough there for the scheduled elections to be held in January.”
Days before the first election in Iraq in January 2005, The New York Times began an article on the election this way:
“Hejaz Hazim, a computer engineer who could not find a job in computers and now cleans clothes, slammed his iron into a dress shirt the other day and let off a burst of steam about the coming election.
“‘This election is bogus,’ Mr. Hazim said. ‘There is no drinking water in this city. There is no security. Why should I vote?’”
If there’s a more artful articulation of the time-honored linkage between drinking water and voting, I have yet to hear it.
And then, as scheduled, in January 2005, millions of citizens in a country that has never had a free election risked their lives to cast ballots in a free democratic election. They’ve voted twice more since then.
Now our forces are killing lots of al-Qaida jihadists, preventing another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and giving democracy in Iraq a chance — and Democrats say we are “losing” this war. I think that’s a direct quote from their leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, but it may have been the Osama bin Laden tape released this week. I always get those two confused.
OK, they knew what Petraeus was going to say. But we knew what the Democrats were going to say. If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they’re really stupid.
Here’s a judge the libs haven’t had replaced:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge on Monday tossed out a lawsuit filed by California that sought to hold the world’s six largest automakers accountable for their contribution to global warming.In its lawsuit filed last year, California blamed the auto industry for millions of dollars it expects to spend on repairing damage from global-warming induced floods and other natural disasters.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/environment/2007-09-17-global-warming-lawsuit_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Thank God for common sense.
‘Initiative First Bipartisan, Governor-Led, National Effort to Promote Clean Energy Policies Across the States’
http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.6c9a8a9ebc6ae07eee28aca9501010a0/?vgnextoid=d950239df46f4110VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD
“WASHINGTON—The National Governors Association (NGA) today committed to promoting clean energy policies across the country as NGA Chair Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius officially launched the Securing a Clean Energy Future initiative.
“Our nation has enjoyed more than a hundred years of inexpensive energy, seemingly inexhaustible oil and a relatively forgiving environment,” said Gov. Pawlenty. “But America can no longer rely on business-as-usual to meet its energy needs, and the nation’s governors are prepared to lead the way in crafting a sensible, sustainable clean energy future.” ”
More details, and comment by Gov. Sebelius, at link.
More re Congress, coal-fired plants, and Republican Tim Pawlenty, [governor] of Minnesota.
‘Progress on Global Warming?’http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope/progress-on-global-warmin_b_64771.html
“Pawlenty also mentioned the elephant in the automotive global warming living room — that “if enough states adopt a policy, it becomes a de facto national policy.” “
Let’s fire up those coal plants and end the war in Iraq.