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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Where oh where did my $40 Million Dollars Go? Where oh where could it be? Hsu
WSJ: Dem financier Hsu may have stolen millions from Woodstock promoter
Documents “reviewed by The Wall Street Journal” may show where Norman Hsu got millions of dollar to support his lavish lifestyle and huge contributions to Democratic candidates: “A company controlled by Mr. Hsu recently received $40 million from a Madison Avenue investment fund run by Joel Rosenman, who was one of the creators of the Woodstock rock festival in 1969. That money, Mr. Rosenman told investors this week, is missing.”
Hsu has ties to prior crooked Clinton Campaigners – all the way back to China!
Hsu Linked to Past Clinton Scandal DonorBy Fred LucasCNSNews.com Staff WriterSeptember 14, 2007
(CNSNews.com) – Norman Hsu’s donations to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign have brought comparisons but no direct connections to the 1990s “Chinagate” scandal.
But before Hsu made headlines as a fugitive fundraiser late last month (he’s now in custody in California for a 1991 grand theft conviction), he served on a board with another key figure in the earlier fundraising scandal.
For more than a year, Hsu was a member of the board for the New School University in New York, where he worked with Bernard L. Schwartz. The latter, a major Clinton donor, was chief executive officer of a major defense contractor involved in technology transfers to the People’s Republic of China, according to a congressional report released in 1999.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200709/POL20070914d.html
Wow, getting hard to track the Hsu – Clinton dollars. Here’s another $75,000 on top of the $850,000, on top of the $23,000.
School Tied to Bill Clinton
Will Return Gift From HsuBy MARY JACOBYSeptember 15, 2007
Democratic fund-raiser Norman Hsu gave $75,000 last year to the University of Arkansas’s Clinton School of Public Service, as the financier extended his largesse beyond Sen. Hillary Clinton’s political campaigns to charities associated with her husband.Mr. Hsu, a top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, had pledged a total of $100,000 to the Clinton School, after hearing about it last year at the annual Clinton Global Initiative, a star-studded conference in New York run by the William J. Clinton Foundation. Mr. Hsu was a “member” of the initiative, a status that requires a $15,000 annual donation. Late Friday, a school official said the funds would be returned.Mr. Hsu paid two installments toward his pledge to the Clinton School before fleeing a hearing on 15-year-old fraud charges in California earlier this month. Mr. Hsu later was arrested in Colorado after falling sick on a train. Skip Rutherford, dean of the Clinton School and a long-time friend and adviser to the Clintons, said the donation from Mr. Hsu “came out of the blue” last year.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118981756353328330.html
Clinton ties ominous for jailed fundraiser Hsu, Web site says
It can be dangerous to associate with the Clintons.
http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/09/15/091507_1A_Clinton_supporters.html
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell now in on the Hsu and Paw contribution scandal, according to a Pittsburg newspaper.
Paw and Hsu gave donations to the same parties on the same day. Hsu must be reimbursing Paw, who is a mailman. And why is a mailman from CA giving donations to a Democrat Governor from PA?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/bumsted/s_527573.html
I sincerely hope that this kills the Hillary campaign, Max.
However, you and Rush Limbaugh seem to be the only ones concerned about it.
And if you think Hsu is bad, what about Bush’s favorite financier, Jack Abramoff?
Can’t wait to see some more global warming posts!
Or how about some Bill Clinton economic recession posts?
I’m not the only one concerned about this issue Capn, check out the numerous sources in the few posts above!
I agree, need to move Hillary out of the way.
Now for something really important: Household incomes start to fall the year after Bush takes office while the rich get massively richer . . . hmmmm.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5303590.stm
The US economy has been generating strong economic growth over the past few years as it has come out of recession.
After growing at more than 3% a year in 2004 and 2005, the pace picked up to a blistering 5.6% annual rate in the first quarter of this year – although the pace has since then slipped back to 2.9%.
So far, though, little of that growth has translated into the hands of the average worker, according to new research from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI).
For real household incomes, the median point – the level at which half of households earn more and half less – has actually fallen over the past five years.
That marks a notable contrast with the 1990s, when the economic boom boosted both jobs and incomes.
The puzzle of economic expansion without significant job or wage growth has been troubling US economists and commentators of all political persuasions . . .
*****
Check out the graph at the bottom of the page–it shows that wages and productivity start diverging right as Bush takes office and gets steadily worse.
In other words, corporations make more, and the people who earn it make less and less.
Now 96 year-old women and car mechanics are donating thru Hsu.
Hsu Cast Wide Net For Clinton Donors List Included Strangers, His Own Investors
By John Solomon and Matthew MoskWashington Post Staff WritersSunday, September 16, 2007; Page A01
To raise $850,000 for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign in just eight months, Norman Hsu tapped an eclectic group of donors that included wealthy investors in his apparel ventures, hotel shopkeepers, a 96-year-old in a Florida retirement home and an auto-body worker who mistakenly thought he would get a tax break for his political generosity.
The Clinton campaign has not yet released any information about the 260 donors whose contributions it is now refunding because they were credited to the prodigious fundraising of the former fugitive, but a detailed analysis of donors Hsu brought to Clinton shows that he tapped many Asian American donors in California and New York, including complete strangers as well as his relatives. He also raised political funds from people who had already invested large sums in his private business ventures.
As a fundraising bundler for Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign, Norman Hsu collected donations from others. Some of the donors whose checks were credited under Hsu’s name said they had never met him. (By Paul Sakuma — Associated Press)
Some donors among the nearly 100 identified this week said they never met Hsu and did not know that their donations had been credited to his fundraising. Others had trouble explaining why they gave the funds to Clinton or could not recall the circumstances in which they met Hsu.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/15/AR2007091501386.html?hpid=topnews
So, Max–
I take it Bush must immediately step down because of his relationship with Jack Abramoff?
I’ll agree to Hillary taking one for the team if you’ll do the same for Bush.
That ws $823 Million, PLUS $27Million… NOT $850 Million Plus $27 Million, Max… Lets a least get the math right… And IF it is such a big deal, why are there no indictments against anybody but Hsu??? Huh?? I dont know if I like Hillary or not, but it seems like all the right wing talk radio people are scared to death of running against Hillary!! I wonder why that might be?? Because she can beat any of their Republican Losers???
Except for maybe Ron Paul??
I’m Independent Capn. I say investigate the heck outta all of em!
Throw all the crooks out and let’s start over!
Can anybody PROVE that Hsu was working FOR Hillary’s campaign???
OK now I gotta go… see you all tomorrow!! Nite!!
Ok Chas, I’ll assume your numbers are correct. $823 million plus $27 million.
And just wait Chas, the investigations just started this month you know! It’s early yet, but several times a day news reports are breaking on this stuff.
Your gal is on the way up shit creek.
Hey, I kind of like Bill Richardson and Obama… Not sure I like Hillary — just cause I liked Bill, doesnt mean I like his wife that much!!
823 million? That’s close to a billion. :)
Math is good, math is your friend.
More power to you, Max.
Bill and Hillary are the epitome of the go-along to get-along, talk like a Dem vote like a Rep democrat that’s killing our party.
Who gave us NAFTA? Bill Clinton. Who gave us Most-favored-nation with COMMUNIST China, so that 1 billion slaves can compete for our manufacturing jobs? Bill Clinton.
We Dems need another Clinton in the White House like the Repubs needed another Bush.
Actually, on the Dem side, Richardson sounds ok. Gore would be better then any that are out there now though.
Yeah Kansas, makes you wonder how much worse our education system can get, when you can’t tell the difference between thousands and millions.
We Dems need another Clinton in the White House like the Repubs needed another Bush.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 16, 2007 at 01:30 AM
Amen!
Sounds like a good note to end the night on.
Say Kansas, you suppose any of those climate models have any math errors?
Sources for the 1:07 post:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/09/wsj-dem-bundler.html#more
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118956680238724783.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
$1.8 Million from Hsu to track down since 2004! (Plus $40 Million is missing!)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118956680238724783.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
More Democrats are expected to follow. A Wall Street Journal analysis of campaign finance reform records has linked Mr. Hsu with at least $1.8 million in donations to Democrats since 2004.
Couple more things to look for:
1)Joel Rosenman, what is his involvement? Why did Rosenman approve $40 million to Hsu without doing some due diligence on Hsu’s company?
2)Who were the investors in the investment fund, Source Financing Investors? This is the fund ‘managed’ by Joel Rosenman. Source Financing Investors gave $40 million to Hsu.
Need to track where the money came from and then where it all went.
Fun job for the FBI!
Who Did Hsu Give Money To?
Long, but here is a list of WHO Hsu gave money too.
You gotta see this!
http://www.google.com/notebook/public/05838763254983837150/BDQ6ESwoQi6fivMsi
“823 million? That’s close to a billion.”
No, but it is close to 100 million.
Democrat Senators Clinton and Schumer Secure $1 Million in Federal Money for Woodstock Museum
Joel Rosenman – founder of Woodstock – funder of Hsu – Hsu funder of Clinton.
Another earmark highlighted by Americans for Prosperity was $1 million for the Museum at Bethel Woods in New York, which according to its Web site seeks in 2008 to interpret the 1969 Woodstock Music and Arts Fair. The money was requested by two New York senators, Democrats Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wx0eXVVUALkJ:desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20070704/NEWS09/707040441/1001/COMM01+federal+money+sought+for+woodstock+museum&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
Max, you got nothing….LOL!
Now, you may be thinking, “So what, Rush?” Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve warned you I can’t tell you how many times: Nothing that happens with the Clintons is a coincidence. So we can spend all afternoon connecting the dots, or we can suspend disbelief, and we don’t have to spend all afternoon connecting the dots. Here you have this guy Rosenman who started Woodstock, who somehow gets in business with Hsu. He gives Hsu $40 million for what turns out to be a fraudulent investment scheme. He’s now trying to get the money back. Hsu ends up doing whatever with the money, but some of it ends up back to Mrs. Clinton and the Democrats at large. Mrs. Clinton said, “I had no idea who Norman Hsu is! Our vetting process totally broke down. I had no clue. We’re shocked and we’re stunned,” and blah, blah, blah, blah. But there is that $1 million earmark for a Woodstock museum. By the way, folks, remember all of the whining and the moaning and the complaining when that bridge in Minneapolis took the dumper? “We don’t spend enough on infrastructure in our country! We are falling apart! We gotta get people out of Iraq!” Yet we have $1 million for a Woodstock museum, ladies and gentlemen?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091307/content/01125107.guest.html
But we had the “bridge to nowhere”. At least more people would go to the museum then will cross that bridge.
Ha,ha.
> Mrs. Clinton said, “I had no idea who Norman Hsu is!
Rush flat out lied there. Senator Clinton has never said she didn’t know Hsu, she said she didn’t know Hsu was a fugitive. Classic example how Rush changed one word and it completely changes what she said.
I’m Independent Capn.Posted by: Max | September 16, 2007 at 01:23 AM
Yeah Max, and the Pope ain’t a Catholic.
So where are the charges? When is the censure vote?
You got nothing.
Republicans still listen to a doper like Rush Limbaugh…amazing!
Gee maybe Cheech and Chong should get an AM radio talk show!
You Republicans are just the stupidest of the stupid.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday will lay out a plan to secure health insurance for all Americans while severely limiting the ability of insurers to deny coverage or charge higher premiums to people with chronic illnesses and other medical problems, her aides and advisers say.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/us/politics/16clinton.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Go Hillary! It’s about time somebody had the guts to tackle the health care problems in this nation. Count on republicans to have a sh*t fit on this one. How dare anyone expect that everybody should have access to affordable health care. Health care should only be available to people with lots of money.
After years of favoring the hands-off doctrine of the Bush administration, some of the nation’s biggest industries are pushing for something they have long resisted: new federal regulations.
The consequences for consumers, though, are not yet clear. The tactical shift by industry groups is motivated by a confluence of self-interests: growing competition from inexpensive imports that do not meet voluntary standards, and a desire to head off liability lawsuits and pre-empt tough state laws or legal actions that were a response to laissez-faire Bush administration policies.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/washington/16regulate.html?hp
All the stuff that the Right Wing was afraid of happening the FIRST time Hillary proposed Universal Health Care, have now nearly all happened… HMO’s and PPO’s are by far the standard…. Long lines at emergency rooms, and other appointments… Higher Rx prices, and more “exclusions” Cant pick your own Drs on many HMO’s and PPO’s…
We have all that now, and that is without Hillary’s proposed Health Care Plan back during Bill’s first term… And Bill even said, very emphatically in his firs SOTU address that everybody would be choosing their OWN doctors, and only had to participate IF THEY WANTED TO… But that was totally spun out of all decent proportions, and even ignored by ALL Right Wing media… NOW we have all of the feared things that Republicans complained about Bill’s plan forcing!! Aint it marvelous???
Lectionary Readings for 19th Sunday in Ordinary Time >>>>
OLD TESTAMENT READING:Jeremiah 4:11-12, 22-28orExodus 32:7-14
PSALTER READING:Psalm 14orPsalm 51:1-10
EPISTLE:I Timothy 1:12-17
HOLY GOSPEL:Luke 15:1-10
For those who might want to know…
The Republicans finally have their savior!
On Friday, Sept. 14, Alan Keyes filed a Statement of Candidacy (Form 2) with the Federal Election Commission–thus officially announcing as a Republican candidate for President of the United States.
Keyes told Janet Parshall, host of a nationally syndicated radio show, that he’s “unmoved” by the lack of moral courage shown by the other candidates, among whom he sees no standout who articulates the “key kernel of truth that must, with courage, be presented to our people.”
He added, “The one thing I’ve always been called to do is to raise the standard . . . that there is a national standard of our allegiance to God and His authority that has been the foundation stone of our nation’s life”–and he decried the lack of “forthright, clear, and clarion declaration” from the other candidates concerning this issue…
Keyes is married to Jocelyn Marcel Keyes, an Indian American from Calcutta, whom he met during his service in Bombay.
The couple have three children — Francis, Maya, and Andrew.
On February 14, 2005, his daughter Maya came out as a lesbian.
Maya told that, as a result of coming out, her family threw her out of their home, stopped talking to her and refused to pay for her college.
Keyes is a third degree Knight of Columbus and his family is devoutly Catholic.
Brownback / Keyes…the Republican nominees!
“Maya told that, as a result of coming out, her family threw her out of their home, stopped talking to her and refused to pay for her college.”
Keyes is obviously one of the more Compassionate conservatives. If he’d do that to his own daughter….
Too bad his being black will automatically turn away 25% of the right-wing base.
Keyes is just another wacko candidate like the infamous Lyndon LaRouche used to be… LOL
No, “Chas.” –
Keyes is exactly the personification of everything the Republic Party faithful *say* they believe in. He’s an articulate advocate of all purported “conservative” issues.
If they really believed in the stuff they spew on this forum and on talk radio and the Faux Noise Channel, Keyes would be their standard bearer.
Problem is, he’s too brown. And the Republic Party prefers to nominate a double-standard bearer.
Well, thats true… Of course, they could always run with Gary Bauer, or Steven Forbes…
In the latest sign of corruption problems for Republicans, a corporate executive testified Friday that his employees worked for months to remodel the Alaska home of Sen. Ted Stevens.
Stevens, the longest-serving Republican senator, is under scrutiny in a corruption investigation that also is targeting Alaska state officials.http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_dWQBZvEAdfrB1CG-O8T_ozSv9Q
More corruption from the party of corruption.
Maybe Stevens can get those workers to work on his “bridge to nowhere”.
Maybe they can freshen up his private Cell, when they send him there ROFL
That home remodeling scheme seems to be popular… Isnt that what they nailed Rep. Jim Trafficant(D) for in Ohio??? And I even liked that guy when I lived there… He was in the district just north of my city… Neat guy… always bought lunch when he was in town… said it wasnt proper for any of us to buy his!!
Guess he didnt realize that getting people to help with his house was illegal???
Greenspan: Oil the Prime Motive for Iraq War
America’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.
“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296938,00.html
And since this story comes from Faux News and is fair and balanced, no conservative can dispute it.
You beat me to it, XXX.
I was just getting ready to post this.
It’ll be interesting to see how Nathan, Kansas, outlander et al. spin this.
Right: they had the Cheny energy meetings, decided where the oil was, and made plans to get it. It’s been simple from the first day of the Bush (Oil) Administration.
Sorry Capn.
But don’t you just love that it came from Faux?
I Love that!! GOOO Faux!!
Havent seen Kansas, thus, havent seen Outlander… Hmmmmm….
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday will lay out a plan to secure health insurance for all Americans
Posted by: XXX | September 16, 2007 at 08:40 AM
Nice DEFLECTION attempt by Hillary. She laid out her health plan months ago.
Hmmm, wonder how she’s gonna pay for that plan.
For those who might want to know…
Posted by: Chas. | September 16, 2007 at 09:33 AM
What, no Leviticus Chas?
There you go again boy, posting your ‘religious’ crap trying to justify yourself.
Then you go ape shit when someone attacks your religious views.
You have put yourself on the table for debate, critique, and attacks on your phony beliefs.
America’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.
“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296938,00.html
And since this story comes from Faux News and is fair and balanced, no conservative can dispute it.
Posted by: XXX | September 16, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Is this news? Does everyone not know the dependence of America on mideast oil?
Whatcha gonna do when the oil supply is cut-off?
If Hillary is President, you think she WON’T take military action to keep the oil flowing from the gulf?
Excellent, “Max!” –
After seven years of “Clinton did it, too!” lame excuses for the failures and corruption of George WMD Bush and the Republic Party, you’ve shifted it to, “Clinton *will* do it, too!”
What a joke you guys have become!
Welcome Max to your very own “I’m with stupid” club!
Chas – Gary Bauer has his own set of problems. Wasn’t he also involved in the Jack Abramhoff scandal? Gary Bauer always reminded me of some prissy little boy on the playground that wore the ruffled shirt and his nose would bleed if you shouted boo!
Clinton Campaign in Crisis Mode!
Jinnah (from Pakistan) gives $100,000 to Democrats, including $30,000 to Hillary, then flees country after FBI launches investigation.
The digger you deep, the more you find on this Clinton Crook:
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=182142&D=2007-03-04&SO=&HC=2
Clinton donor wanted by FBI in scheme to funnel money
A Pakistani immigrant who hosted fundraisers in Southern California for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is being sought by the FBI on charges that he funneled illegal contributions to Clinton’s political action committee and Sen. Barbara Boxer’s 2004 reelection campaign. Authorities say Northridge businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah, 56, fled the country after an indictment accused him of engineering more than $50,000 in illegal donations to the Democratic committees. A business associate charged as a co-conspirator has entered a guilty plea and is scheduled to be sentenced in Los Angeles next week.
A federal law enforcement source said prosecutors had not dealt with the political committees in conducting their investigation and had no evidence that the committees knew the contributions were illegal. Officials for both committees said they were unaware of the investigation or indictments until they were contacted by The Times, and said they would not keep the donations.
The case has transformed Jinnah from a political point man on Pakistani issues, a man often photographed next to foreign dignitaries and U.S. leaders, into a fugitive with his mug shot on the FBI’s “featured fugitives” wanted list. Jinnah’s profile peaked in 2004 and 2005 as he wooed members of Congress to join a caucus advancing Pakistani concerns and brought Clinton to speak to prominent Pakistani Americans, lauding their homeland’s contributions to the war on terrorism and calling relations with Pakistan beneficial to U.S. interests.
M M I agree… good description of Gary Bauer ROFL!!
MAX — The Lectionary Readings come straight out of the Book… I dont choose them… Idiot!!
MAX >>>> Look them up for yourself… By all means, dont take my word for anything….
http://divinity.library.vanderbilt.edu/lectionary/index.htm
Stupid is too busy being with stupid to go to the library.
Ok, then any idiot could preach if it’s just reading from the book, as long as the idiot can read.
Iraq isn’t producing all that much oil, so a ‘cut off’ probably wouldn’t be that dramatic. The purpose of the war in part was to cut off the Iraq oil and raise prices.
The Librarian knows where the books are, she doesn’t know what’s in em.
Havent seen Kansas, thus, havent seen Outlander… Hmmmmm….
Posted by: Chas. | September 16, 2007 at 11:21 AM
You know Chas I figured a so-called “c”hristian “m”inister like yourself knew what some people do on Sunday mornings.
But I have been known to be wrong before.
Iraq isn’t producing all that much oil, so a ‘cut off’ probably wouldn’t be that dramatic. The purpose of the war in part was to cut off the Iraq oil and raise prices.
Posted by: The Phantom | September 16, 2007 at 12:41 PM
It’s about stability in the Region.
And 1/5 of the worlds oil passes thru the 21 mile wide Straits of Hormuz to get from the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean.
17% of US oil used comes thru these narrow Straits.
How dramatic do you think it would be to have 1/5 of the worlds oil supply cut-off by instability and war in the Persian Gulf region?
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070501facomments86302/dennis-blair-kenneth-lieberthal/smooth-sailing-the-world-s-shipping-lanes-are-safe.html
http://www.iags.org/oiltransport.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Persian_Gulf/pdf.pdf
In 2006, the Persian Gulf countries (Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates) produced about 28 percent of the world’s oil, while holding 55 percent (728 billion barrels) of the world’s crude oil reserves. In 2006, the Persian Gulf countries combined exported 18.2 million barrels per day (bbl/d) including about 17 million bbl/d via the Straight of Hormuz representing roughly one-fifth of world oil supply. The group exported the remaining oilvia pipelines through Turkey to the Mediterranean and Saudi Arabia to the Red Sea.
OECD gross oil imports from Persian Gulf countries averaged about 10.4 million barrels per day (bbl/d) during 2006, accounting for 31 percent of the OECD’s total net oil imports. U.S. gross oil imports from the Persian Gulf were 2.2 million bbl/d during 2006, accounting for 17 percent of the US total net oil imports.
bush SAYS the Iraqui government wants “a long term strategic partnership with America”
Of course, most of us KNOW that that is neocon speak for “we need a permanent presence in Iraq”
But assuming for even a second that the Iraqui governent DID want a long term strategic partnership with the US? They are promising to bring to that partnership…..what? Oil? Repayment on the costs of the occupation?
Let’s us know what we are getting out of this before we even think of buying into it.
“A federal law enforcement source said prosecutors had not dealt with the political committees in conducting their investigation and had no evidence that the committees knew the contributions were illegal. ”
Max, repeat after me:
You got nothing.
JR,niterider52000@yahoo.com.
Send me a phone number that works.
Hey X!!!
I will write you shortly. Well…I mean timewise. I’ll try not to get too wordy though.: )
Sorry Kansas… already been there, done that today… preached an early service today!! LOL GOTCHA!!!
Ummm Max… because you seem deficient, the Lector READS the Lectionary readings… The Celebrant preaches the Homily…
Please learn what you are talking about, or you look really stupid!!
Jr,Go ahead and get wordy! It’ll be good to hear from you.
Hey Chas! It was good to meet you the other day. Wait until I get to show ya what I can do here.
For starters? Have I missed any meetups? And isn’t it about time we started planning one?
Nice meeting you too, JR… somebody let me know on the meet up… yes, would be fun…
Max, in SOME parishes, the Celebrant(Pastor) only reads the Gospel Reading… the Lector reads the others… and a Cantor leads the Psalm… Got that now??
“For starters? Have I missed any meetups? And isn’t it about time we started planning one?”
Bro, you have changed. I can remember when I had to insult you to get you to come to a meet-up, LOL!
LOKL XXX
Max
When Controversy Follows CashSome Fundraisers With Legal Issues Slip Through Campaigns’ Vettinghttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090201436.html
BREAKING NEWS!!!
OJ has been arrested. Conspiracy and robbery.
Sheesh why didn’t he quit while he was ahead? They will make SURE they get him on this.
Sant S. Chatwal, my God HUD! You’ve found another fugitive fundraiser for Both Bill and Hillary!
I wonder how many more will be uncovered this week?
I said a few days ago, my estimate was $3 million in fugitive money, just for Hillary alone.
Editors?
NO OJ threads PLEASE???!
This is already gonna divert FAR more media attention from far more important matters than it warrrants.
Any bets this is wall to wall on FOX….in perpetuity?
LAS VEGAS (Sept. 16) – “A man was arrested in connection with an alleged armed robbery of sports memorabilia involving O.J. Simpson , and police said Sunday the former football star still may be arrested as well.”
OJ has not been arrested YET…
Off to write a friend. But I’ll be baaaack……
Apparently, according to articles on AOL.com, Simpson was attempting to recover items that had been stolen from HIM… Hard to call it robbery if you are trying to get your OWN stuff back…
One of the supposed “victims”, named Beardsley, says he is on OJ’s side, and wants the matter dropped… (AOL.com)
Chas? If it was just FOX saying it? I wouldn’t break it here. It is on CNN and MSNBC as well.
Again editors? Let the OJ stuff play out on the open. Don’t let this circus clown divert an already bleary eyed public from far more important matters.
Please?
The “Juice” probably told him to hide the stuff so he wouldn’t have to sell it to raise cash for the Goldman’s.
CNN said just a few minutes ago that OJ has been arrested.
OJ has more lives than a cat. I have no doubt he’ll get out of this one, too.
Max, repeat after me:
You got nothing.
Posted by: XXX | September 16, 2007 at 01:05 PM
It’s just begining XXX.
How many instant investigations have you seen with financing chains this long involving multiple fugitives from all over the world?
And I say investigate all financing for all candidates for President. They should have open checkbooks for public review so we can all see how every penny is collected and spent. There’s no accountability for campain financing today.
Sol may be very happy after it’s discovered that all the top candidates are awash in dirty money and all the top dogs withdraw.
Paul may just be the only geeky last boy scout type who hasn’t been bought with dirty money!
Or how about some Bill Clinton economic recession posts?
Posted by: Max
i thought the economy was in good shape during the clinton years.
btw, hows the housing market doing this week??
you’re a hater. it’s good you have people to tell you who to hate this.
i bet your wife is happy you don’t have time to hate her. or, do you??
AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.
“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.
well, what a surprise.
Maybe they will at least beat OJ with a purple chicken…
Inside baseball newbies.
And I say investigate all financing for all candidates for President. They should have open checkbooks for public review so we can all see how every penny is collected and spent. There’s no accountability for campain financing today.Posted by: Max | September 16, 2007 at 01:48 PM
You may “say” that Max, but it’s pretty obvious you don’t mean it.
I do agree with what you’re “saying”. But that’s pretty hard to do…you conservative types have fought any kind of campaign finance reform tooth and nail.
Collecting campaign contributions has always been a strong suit for republicans. Now that they’re getting their whinny asses whooped off, they cry like little girls.
There’s always some dirty contributors. Hsu isn’t the first, and he won’t be the last. The season has just begun. Hsu is dirty as an unwashed dog, but did Hillary know about it? I doubt it. Why would she take the chance?
Max, you got nothing.
Been out of touch…
Some would say I’m always outta touch.
But…
Since we are discussing crime, investigation, and intrigue…
Anyone posting about Hunt oil’s deal with the Kurds?
Now… Iraq is about oil. We all know that. I think we are all starting to ADMIT it.
Any HOPE of Iraqui unity rests on the equal distribution of it’s one valuable resource. Namely said oil.
Why is Hunt permitted a deal which works AGAINST that one and only chance to unify Iraq?
Is it because Hunt is close with bush? (He is)
Is it because Hunt also sits on the board of Halliburton? (He does)
Could ol’ J R have been right all along that this occupation was NEVER meant to be ended but continuous?
JR,Check your mom’s e-mail
Gotcha X
Oh cons?
Do you hear distant rumbles?
Do you feel a growing sense of dread? I mean more so than when you read recent polls?
Heh heh heh
I’m coming baaaack……
And THIS time, it will be to stay.
J R,
In addition to equal distribution, they don’t want the profit sharing agreement the U.S. pushed.Their Oil Union says they’ll strike if the law is passed.
A very good read on the issue.
‘Why Iraqis oppose U.S.-backed oil lawWorkers think foreign firms will take over’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/08/19/IN69RI00G.DTL
This sweet deal for Hunt.
Is THAT Iraq’s contribution to “a strategic partnership” with the US?
Huh.
Anybody OTHER than Hunt and it’s investors want a long term troop commitment in Iraq?
Going once?
All oppposed?
And OTHER interesting things finally finding their way to light…
Iraq was apparently only for starters.
No link. But in Wes Clark’s new book, he reveals that there were designs on Syria, Lebanon, etc, and Iran as well.
I wonder if the Israeli incursion into Syria last year? was a desperate final attempt to feel out that strategy.
I’m waiting for the attack on Iran. I figure Bush will find some pretext before he leaves office.
Adversaries Will Capitalize on a Distracted America
One wonders if it has struck anyone in Washington that America’s adversaries – enemies is an inappropriate word in the post-Soviet world – want America to remain mired in the poisonous swamp of Iraq for the foreseeable future. The real prison in Iraq is not the one holding prisoners in Abu Ghraib, but the black hole that has transformed American foreign policy into a tunnel with only two departure points: Iraq and its neighbor Iran.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/mj_akbar/2007/09/adversaries_will_capitalize_on.html
We obviously can’t accuse the Bush administration of being able to multi-task.
While Augustus Stupidus fiddles, Rome burns.
Oh cons?
Do you hear distant rumbles?
Do you feel a growing sense of dread? I mean more so than when you read recent polls?
Heh heh heh
I’m coming baaaack……
And THIS time, it will be to stay.
Posted by: J R | September 16, 2007 at 02:19 PM
Make my day JR!
Stupidus Maximus posts again!
There’s always some dirty contributors. Hsu isn’t the first, and he won’t be the last. The season has just begun. Hsu is dirty as an unwashed dog, but did Hillary know about it? I doubt it. Why would she take the chance?
Max, you got nothing.
Posted by: XXX | September 16, 2007 at 02:05 PM
Yeah, there have always been dirty contributors. Only the Lib side is making the news several times a day though. And we are talking Millions here XXX.
And as for Hillary knowing about it, you gotta believe that she did, or she’s so damn stupid to not have known.
Hillary’s got to have a huge database to track all those “bundlers” so she remembers who she owes the favors to.
How many times you give several thousand or $1.8 million and not expect something in return?
Stupidus Maximus posts again!
Posted by: ??? | September 16, 2007 at 04:08 PM
Liberal intelligence reveals itself again!
Typical libs to attack the person instead of refuting or defending the position taken.
Don’t agree with XXX most of the time, but at least he has rational arguments. XXX is a good example for you Libs to follow, if you want to convert anyone in your direction.
Flames do nothing. (Though we all flame a little from time to time.)
??? I bet you didn’t read One Link I posted above. My sources are almost always cited. Are yours?
Stupidus Maximus…
You still got nothing. :>
‘You are here: Earth as seen from Mars’
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=PIA05547
I have no intention of convincing you Stupidus of anything.
You have chosen to worship Bush and the Republican oil machine.
You can only answer to God now.
Wow, we could banter back and forth all day ???.
You got nuthin.
No, You got nuthin.
OR
F*** Y**
No, F*** Y**
etc….
Your frustration is showing ???. It’s a nice Sunday afternoon, go outside get a beer, smoke em if ya got em, and enjoy yourself. That’s what I’m gonna do.
Have a nice day
You have chosen to worship Bush and the Republican oil machine.
You can only answer to God now.
Posted by: ??? | September 16, 2007 at 04:17 PM
I wrong you are.
I support conservatives.
Bush, is no conservative.
You ???, cannot defend your Liberal views so your only means of whining are to attack conservatives personally.
You, and I, and everyone else will answer to God in the end.
But in the end, I will have at least paid my own way on this Earth. While most of you Socialist Liberals will depend on handouts from Capitalist Conservatives.
How does that feel to be dependent on someone else for your entire life? Proud of your accomplishments are you? Proud of your hard work and dedication to support yourself are you?
Must suck to not be independent.
Now here’s a leader taking on tough issues. We need to solve the pending Social Security/Medicare fiscal crisis before considering an expansion of Socialism to include free health care.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/15/us/politics/15thompson.html?ref=us
Thompson, Seeking a Theme, Takes on a Tricky Issue: Entitlements
By SUSAN SAULNYPublished: September 15, 2007
As Fred D. Thompson moves around the country delivering his folksy stump speech, he routinely makes his way through a laundry list of top concerns: national security, immigration reform, federalism and activist judges, among others.
But he seems most energized when he discusses the ballooning cost of entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, and what he calls a need for more fiscal responsibility and less government in Washington. It is a recurring campaign theme of his.
Mr. Thompson, a former Republican senator from Tennessee, made his greatest plea for the presidency, for instance, at the end of such remarks this week at a stop in Greenville, S.C., saying: “We’re going to be going through the Social Security surplus before long, along with the pork barreling and spending and the regular stuff that’s going on now, we’re seeing a demographic change.”
For some, the role of Government is nanny-care for all. Government is here to Take Care of Us!
For others, we want our Freedom to earn our own way in life. Government has a role, let’s not expand it to try to solve all of life’s problems, because it can’t, and we can’t afford to Socialize America.
Where’s is Hillary’s list of Principles? Oh that’s right, she doesn’t have any.
http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=Federalism
Just for you ???, since you are unable to click on a link in order to read:
http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=Federalism
The Framers drew their design for our Constitution from a basic understanding of human nature. From the wisdom of the ages and from fresh experience, they understood the better angels of our nature, and the less admirable qualities of human beings entrusted with power.
The Framers believed in free markets, rights of property and the rule of law, and they set these principles firmly in the Constitution. Above all, the Framers enshrined in our founding documents, and left to our care, the principle that rights come from our Creator and not from our government.
We developed institutions that allowed these principles to take root and flourish: a government of limited powers derived from, and assigned to, first the people, then the states, and finally the national government. A government strong enough to protect us and do its job competently, but modest and humane enough to let the people govern themselves. Centralized government is not the solution to all of our problems and – with too much power – such centralization has a way of compounding our problems. This was among the great insights of 1787, and it is just as vital in 2007.
The federalist construct of strong states and limited federal government put in place by our Founders was intended to give states the freedom to experiment and innovate. It envisions states as laboratories in competition with each other to develop ideas and programs to benefit their people, to see what works and what does not.
This ingenious means of governing a large and diverse nation prevailed for more than a century. But today our Constitution and the limited, federalist government it established, are considered by many to be quaint or out of touch with the world we live in, to be swept aside by political expediency.
The Supreme Court sometimes ignores the written Constitution to reflect its view of the times. So does Congress, which routinely forgets that our checks and balances, the separation of powers and our system of federalism are designed to diffuse power and protect the liberties of our people. Before anything else, folks in Washington ought to be asking first and foremost, “Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?” But they don’t.
The result has been decades of growth in the size, scope and function of national government. Today’s governance of mandates, pre-emptions, regulations, and federal programs bears little resemblance to the balanced system the Framers intended.
This in no way diminishes the important role played by the national government, including ensuring our national security, and regulating interstate commerce to promote free markets. Indeed, a commitment to federalism would help the federal government do a better job in addressing national emergencies and emerging threats, because it could focus on these issues rather than on everything else it is trying to do. A proper regard for constitutional boundaries would also go a long way in avoiding the arguments that follow when Washington acts by decree, disregarding the elected representatives of the fifty states.
You know better than anyone how involvement from Washington affects nearly every policy, program, and aspect of your jobs. But beyond the nuisance of duplicative state and federal requirements, one might wonder if a division of responsibility between the federal government and the states is still important. The answer must be a resounding yes.
Federalism is not an 18th century notion. Or a 19th century notion. It retains its force as a basic principle in the 21st century, because when federalism is ignored, accountability, innovation, and public confidence in government at all levels suffer.
It is as true today as it ever was: the closer a government is to its people, the more responsive it is to the felt needs of its constituencies. Too often, however, state and local leaders have to answer to federal bureaucrats first and their constituents second. When the federal government mandates a program that states and localities are forced to implement, or when a federal grant program is created to fund a specific state or community need, it blurs the lines of accountability.
Who answers to the people if a program fails? The federal government will point to state authorities carrying out the program; the states will point to the federal government, which came up with the program in the first place. And in the end no one is more confused than the people the program is supposed to be serving, who can’t even say for sure who is responsible for what. This does not argue against all federal programs but it does require the recognition that there, indeed, are trade-offs.
Back in my days in the Senate, I found myself on the short end of a couple of 99 to 1 votes. They involved issues that had been under the purview of states for over 200 years. I asked why we should federalize what rightly were state and local issues.
I’ve been saying it for years, and it bears repeating: what works in Tennessee may not work in Nebraska and may be different from what succeeds in Oregon. That’s why President Ronald Reagan compared federalism to letting a thousand sparks of genius in the states and communities around this country catch fire. It’s not a perfect system, but it works a lot better than the alternative of central planning.
We need to allow local authorities to apply their own good ideas and use their own good judgment. Each state can find its own way, learning from the successes and failures of the others. There is a wealth of creativity and initiative out there in the states, and often the best ideas in Washington started out as state initiatives.
A good example of this early in my Senate service was welfare reform. We were warned that terrible things would happen if we went forward with a bill – a fundamental commitment would be abandoned and, among state governments, a “race to the bottom” would begin.
But key to our approach were elements of welfare reform that had proved successful in various states, such as Colorado, Michigan and Wisconsin. The result was a law that allowed us to better meet our commitments to our fellow citizens. It was one of the great political successes of the 1990’s, because Washington – for once – had the good sense to learn from state and local authorities and empower them in return.
When you hold firm to the principles of federalism, there’s another advantage: our federal government can better carry out its own defining responsibilities – above all else, the security of our nation and the safety of our citizens. Sometimes I think that our leaders in Washington try to do so many things, in so many areas, that they lose sight of their basic responsibilities.
We saw some improvement in the post-1994, “Contract with America” takeover of Congress – strings to federal programs were cut, more federal programs were being turned over to states, historic legislation to reduce unfunded mandates became law, and we rolled back the Clinton anti-federalism executive order. But in recent years we’ve seen backsliding.
The recent immigration bill was a case in point. That bill failed, and it failed for good reason. The federal government simply had no credibility on the issue.
The promises of the 1986 immigration bill have not been fulfilled. Current laws have not been enforced. The federal government has been failing in its fundamental responsibility to control the borders. Worse, when state officials have tried to act with reforms of their own, federal authorities have gotten in the way. In the end, many in both parties in Congress have learned a lesson: promises about immigration reform aren’t worth much unless you have credibility. And in this case there’s only one way that credibility can be regained. Federal leaders must do their job and secure the borders of the United States.
Law enforcement in general is a matter on which Congress has been very active in recent years, not always to good effect and usually at the expense of state authority. When I served as a federal prosecutor, there were not all that many federal crimes, and most of those involved federal interests. Since the 1980’s, however, Congress has aggressively federalized all sorts of crimes that the states have traditionally prosecuted and punished. While these federal laws allow Members of Congress to tell the voters how tough they are on crime, there are few good reasons why most of them are necessary.
For example, it is a specific federal crime to use the symbol of 4-H Clubs with the intent to defraud. And don’t even think about using the Swiss Confederation’s coat of arms for commercial purposes. That’s a federal offense, too.
Groups as diverse as the American Bar Association and the Heritage Foundation have reported that there are more than three thousand, five hundred distinct federal crimes and more than 10,000 administrative regulations scattered over 50 section of the U.S. code that runs at more than 27,000 pages. More than 40 percent of these regulatory criminal laws have been enacted since 1973.
I held hearings on the over-federalization of criminal law when I was in the Senate. You hear that the states are not doing a good job at prosecuting certain crimes, that their sentencing laws are not tough enough, that it’s too easy to make bail in state court. If these are true, why allow those responsible in the states to shirk that responsibility by having the federal government make up for the shortcomings in state law? Accountability gets displaced.
Now, there are plenty of areas in criminal law where a federal role is appropriate. More and more crime occurs across state and national boundaries; the Internet is increasingly a haven for illegal activity. A federal role is appropriate in these and other instances. But today the Federal Bureau of Prisons has quadrupled in size in little more than 20 years.
Perhaps the clearest example of federal over-involvement in state and local responsibilities is public education. It’s the classic case of how the federal government buys authority over state and local matters with tax-payer money and ends up squandering both the authority and the money while imposing additional burdens on states.
Between 1970 and 2005, federal spending on education increased nearly 150 percent without results to match. The No Child Left Behind law itself increased federal funding by some 26 percent, while creating 50 new educational programs nationally, imposing almost 7 million hours and more than 140 million dollars in compliance time and costs. The classrooms of America, where the learning actually takes place, receive but 61 cents out of every tax-payer dollar appropriated.
A little more federalist confidence in the wisdom of state and local governments might go a long way toward improving America’s public schools. The most encouraging reforms in education are occurring at the local level, with options like charter schools. And often the best thing Washington can do is let the states, school districts, teachers and parents set their own policies and run their own schools.
It is appropriate for the federal government to provide funding and set goals for the state to meet in exchange for that funding. However, it is not a good idea for the federal government to specifically set forth the means to be used in order to reach those goals. Adherence to this principle would make for fewer bureaucracies, fewer regulations, and less expense, while promoting educational achievement. There are bills pending in Congress that would move us in this direction, and I hope Congress gives them the attention they deserve.
Beyond specific policies, what’s needed are some basic rules to restrain the federal rule-makers.
A good first step would be to codify the Executive Order on Federalism first signed by President Ronald Reagan. That Executive Order, first revoked by President Clinton, then modified to the point of uselessness, required agencies to respect the principle of the Tenth Amendment when formulating policies and implementing the laws passed by Congress. It preserved the division of responsibilities between the states and the federal government envisioned by the Framers of the Constitution. It was a fine idea that should never have been revoked. The next president should put it right back in effect, and see to it that the rightful authority of state and local governments is respected.
It is not enough to say that we are “for” federalism, because in today’s world it is not always clear what that means. What we are “for” is liberty for our citizens. Federalism divides power between the states and government in Washington. It is a tool to promote freedom. How we draw the line between federal and state roles in this century, and how we stay true to the principles of federalism for the purpose of protecting economic and individual freedom are questions we must answer. Our challenge – meaning the federal government, the states, our communities and constituents – is to answer these questions together.
“Max” — from today’s NYTimes
http://tinyurl.com/298dp5
Sparse Schedule for Thompson on Trail
By JULIE BOSMAN
LAKELAND, Fla., Sept. 15 — At his second campaign stop of the day on Friday, just after 2 p.m., Fred D. Thompson was deep into a riff on the benefits of high-quality American health care.
“It’s allowing us to live healthier lives and to live longer,” Mr. Thompson, a former Republican senator from Tennessee, said at a Jaycee park here. “That’s good news. But we have more retired folks. I hope to become one of them one of these days.”
Nervous laughter from the audience.
“Not too soon,” he added hastily.
So much for dispelling the idea that he is too lazy to run for president. For months, Mr. Thompson has fought off suggestions that he is not motivated enough to weather the round-the-clock campaign trail required of serious presidential candidates. (Or, as a recent headline in Newsweek put it, “Lazy Like a Fox.”)
His critics, already pointing to what they call Mr. Thompson’s skimpy Senate record, might find even more ammunition in his campaign schedule. In his second week as an officially declared candidate for the Republican nomination, Mr. Thompson has made a languid three-day swing through Florida ending Saturday with the candidate watching a football game in Gainesville. The pace has kept him on a jumbo air-conditioned bus far more often than he is actually campaigning.
Since Thursday morning, when the tour began, Mr. Thompson has made no more than three campaign stops a day, with long stretches in between. In recent spins through Iowa, he kept a similarly relaxed schedule. Mitt Romney, by comparison, often does six town-hall-style forums a day when in Iowa.
A spokesman for Mr. Thompson said the driving distances in Florida were a factor, and that he would add more impromptu stops later in the campaign.
Next week, his schedule has no public events at all, limiting his appearances to fund-raisers in Florida, Tennessee and Texas.
In Florida, Mr. Thompson has been warmly received in the heavily Republican enclaves he has visited, including at a restaurant frequented by Cuban-Americans in Miami; at a retirement community in The Villages; and at Celebration, the planned community outside Orlando that was created by Disney.
His stump speech, while noticeably short on details, has stuck to familiar, sweeping conservative themes like lower taxes and what Mr. Thompson calls “the sanctity of life.”
John Hall, a retired firefighter from Miami Beach who went to Miami to watch Mr. Thompson speak, said he came away impressed.
“I like his straightforwardness,” Mr. Hall said. “He comes across as a guy who stands by his principles. That’s why I like George W. Bush, and I see the same thing in him. You’ve got to be strong.”
Between his campaign stops, Mr. Thompson has been spending most of his time riding on his bus with a coterie of advisers.
Several of Mr. Thompson’s aides said he had been spending his time being briefed, often on the phone with advisers. And much of the discussion has focused on economics and security, said Rich Galen, a senior adviser to the campaign. “He’s been going through the briefing books,” Mr. Galen said.
But once off the bus, Mr. Thompson has shown occasional signs of discomfort. In a speech here on Friday, he sweated profusely under the afternoon sun, breathed heavily and, while struggling over a question, asked no one in particular if his microphone was on. (It was.)
Some audience members, in a crowd that easily reached into the hundreds, winced as Mr. Thompson sweated through the question-and-answer session.
“I’m surprised they didn’t pull him out of there,” said John Chambers of nearby Punta Gorda, after the speech ended. Suzanne Miranda, who watched the event from a lawn chair, said, “I felt bad for him.”
Maximus stupidus…you still got nothing and President Clinton will clean up the mess you neoconservatives have made.
You’re right I have no reason to read your neocon garbage.
Oh once I’m back to stay, you’re gonna be easy meat Max.
The America you describe? People working hard for themselves?
That has not existed in any large scale sense in some time. Most people are forced by economics to work for someone else. They are therefore not truly free.
You tell me the ideology that wins them the best rights and treatment. (Hint, it is not the party of “right to work” laws)
BTW Maximus, I own my own business.
Doing quite well actually.
Max, “???” doesn’t care what you post even if it stated a Liberal position. He’ll just blather and blither his usual self-puffery and leftist ideology.
BTW Max, I have posted some Clinton quotes here to make them seem like Bush stated them and no one was the wiser.
Just put a label on something and these rubes will believe anything.
“A new poll shows that 79 percent of Iraqis oppose our being there, and 57 percent approve of attacks against US troops. So, tragically, what the majority of Iraqis actually want is more dead American soldiers.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Bush doesn’t conquer countries based on polls.
He and his neocon buddies just rape them for their wealth.
Actually, “???” –
Bush doesn’t conquer countries.
(Unless his ruining of the United States of America counts)
Don’t agree with XXX most of the time, but at least he has rational arguments. XXX is a good example for you Libs to follow, if you want to convert anyone in your direction.Posted by: Max | September 16, 2007 at 04:12 PM
Max, too bad you didn’t show up on the blog a couple of years back. I flamed with the best.But it got old and it didn’t gain anything. So I regressed back to my old laid-back hippie roots. Now I don’t flame anybody and I try to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
The “You got nothing” theme kind of gets under one’s skin, huh. Not too long ago, you conservatives beat us up with that. Turn about, you know.
Max, for a conservative and a knot-head, you’re a likable cuss.
Have a beer and a smoke for me.
XXX
From CJSD.com –
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(Cut to another pair of men, also dressed in suits.)
MAN #3The guys I’d meet randomly would find out I’m a Republican and want to get into it about Bush. I’d tell them, hey, if I wanted to get into bush, I’d be home with my wife.
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MAN #4It’s not easy to find a man who’s into tax cuts, nation building, and bare-backing. (raises his partner’s hand) But I did!
MAN #3I’d look like a real hypocrite if I used condoms—I’m chair of the Presidential Commission on Abstinence!
SPOKESMANWith GOP-Harmony, you don’t have to worry about messy exposés or embarrassing mug shots. We rigorously check out all of our members, weeding out officers, agents, reporters, bloggers….
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(Cut back to the first two men.)
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I am here to tell you, that I did not take money from this man. And any money we received was NOT campaign contributions. So I did not have campaign contributions with that man.
I want to apologise to the American people for passing on the alcoholic gene of my great great grandaddy Franklin Pierce to my son George.
If George wasn’t an alkie, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Hillary I can sure sympathize with you. I’m sure it is just a vast right wing conspiracy. Just be patient it will work out in the end.
P.S. Hold off on booking the Lincoln Bedroom any more. It’s getting booked out past the four year point and well you know…
Great article in today’s KC Star about the melting ice in the artic. Seems opening up a NW passageway will provide an economic boom to Canada, Russia, and even the US.. Scientists estimate that untapped oil supplies under the exposed ocean floor could equal twenty-five percent of world reserves. Huge potential for development. Already Canada and Russia are fighting over rights. There is always a silver lining in seemingly bad news.
Gambling addiction
http://www.addictionrecov.org/addicgam.htm
Palm Trees,
The “untapped oil supplies” under the melting Arctic sea ice will be a short-lived “silver lining”.
When humans on Earth finally realize that they are causing an climate event that has not occurred for a million years, oil demand, and oil prices will DROP.
Woah!
Looks like this is the Max Open Thread.
While Max is screeching in a whiny high-pitched voice that liberals want a socialist state to take care of us, the real problem remains that the corportocracy continues to drive our standard of living down BY DESIGN.
We spent 50 years scared spitless against the Soviet Union so the corportocracy could bleed us white.
Now they have so much power, they don’t even need a reason to steal our labor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601062.html?hpid=topnews
State Dept. Convoy Attacked in Baghdad, Sparking a ShootoutSecurity Guards Kill 9 Civilians, Iraqis Say
By Joshua PartlowWashington Post Foreign ServiceMonday, September 17, 2007; Page A14
*****
This shows that not only is Baghdad NOT getting better, our side continues to act like Iraqi lives don’t matter because . . . they don’t (to the people in charge).
Bush to Iraq–just sign the damn law that lets us steal your oil.
Max, for a conservative and a knot-head, you’re a likable cuss.
Have a beer and a smoke for me.
XXX
Posted by: XXX | September 16, 2007 at 06:54 PM
Thanks XXX, I think! We can always agree on the 2nd Amendment at least.
Hillary Gets Quiet, Did She Disappear?
Silence far from golden when a Prez wanna-be is afraid to talk the talk
Sunday, September 16th 2007, 4:00 AM
There was a time when Sen. Hillary Clinton was all smiles when meeting fund-raiser Norman Hsu. Now, she’s mum.
She’s getting pounded by rivals in her own party on charges she’s wishy-washy on Iraq and by Republicans who say she’s prejudiced against the military.
She’s got a big funder who’s so crooked she’s giving back $850,000 and scrambling to make sure he’s the only one with a criminal record. And through it all, Hillary Clinton is saying next to nothing.
The Big Week that was in Washington happened with Clinton playing bystander, though not an innocent one. With the congressional grilling of our top Iraq commander and President Bush starting to withdraw troops, the week shaped up as a watershed moment in the 2008 campaign. Yet except for a snippy speech she read to Gen. David Petraeus before she asked him and our ambassador inconsequential questions at a Senate hearing, the Democratic front-runner was mostly a no-show.
Even after Bush’s crucial prime-time address, when most candidates rushed to give their take, Clinton offered only a lackluster printed statement. And ditto for her response after GOP tag-teamers Rudy Giuliani and John McCain bashed her for attacking Petraeus and not rebuking the radical MoveOn.org for its smear of him.
Sometimes it seems her main flack Howard Wolfson is really the senator, since he does most of her talking. You know, Sen. Wolfson said yesterday….
To say the cat’s got Hillary’s tongue doesn’t begin to address the mystery of why someone who wants to be President can’t speak spontaneously more often. When the goin’ gets tough, Clinton sends out a messenger or a carefully crafted printed statement. Would the imperial candidate be an imperial President? Is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain?
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_silence_far_from_golden_when_a_prez_wann.html
After skimming through the usual open thread drivel, I find this jewel:
“Oh cons?
Do you hear distant rumbles?
Do you feel a growing sense of dread? I mean more so than when you read recent polls?
Heh heh heh
I’m coming baaaack……
And THIS time, it will be to stay.”
—–And there is a warmth in my heart!!!
Please, oh, please Great JR(trademark reserved, patent applied for), save us from ourselves!! How could we possibly think we could survive one more minute without The Great JR? And to those who don’t know, or don’t remember The Great JR, well, if you didn’t know he’s the Great JR, just ask him, he tell you.
Nah, The Great JR’s not self-absorbed. Nah. Can’t be that. It must be, uh, well, . . . well, OK. Yes, he’s that self-absorbed.
I’d surmise that it must be all those months of talking to no one but himself, but, no, he’s always been that self-absorbed.
It’ll be good to know that I can sleep safely at night again.
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