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- By Phillip Brownlee
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‘Next Ice Age delayed by rising CO2 levels’http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/nocs/news.php?action=display_news&idx=394
“Future ice ages may be delayed by up to half a million years by our burning of fossil fuels, according to work by Dr Toby Tyrrell of the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton.”
More at link.
Why are you scared of honest law abiding citizens carrying concealed?
Claims by the blood in the street crowd:
-There will be drivers shooting each other because of road rage.
Number of licensed concealed carry permit holders shooting each other or anyone else because of road rage: 0
-There will be drunks shooting people in bars.
Number of licensed concealed permit carry holders shooting anyone in a bar: 0
-There will be people shooting each other at sporting events when they get upset.
Number of licenses concealed carry permit holders shooting anyone at a sporting event: 0
-There will be police officers who mistake someone carrying concealed legally.
Number of police who have mistakingly shot someone licensed to carry concealed: 0
-There will be multiple people carrying concealed when something happens and they will shoot each other.
Number of licensed conceald carry permit holders shooting each other: 0
-There will be more guns being handled which will cause more accidental shootings.
Number of licensed concealed carry permit holders accidently shooting themselves or someone else: 0
Any I didn’t think of?
I am about 99% sure the results will be the same regardless.
Keep in mind that I am also 99% sure that these results are the same in every state that allows concealed carry too!
BTW, Hank Price, a week would not be too late (the other open thread was really long). Thanks for your time!
Gun control is the one issue that I have changed my mind on in the last few years. My gut says to ban guns!, but I have not seen any conclusive evidence that more legal guns=more crime and haven’t seen any evidence for increased crime following a CC law.
And so, I’ll err on the side of more personal rights. But I still hate guns, they’re so unfriendly :)
In a perfect world, people wouldn’t make voting decisions based on emotion and ideology or religious beliefs, but on evidence and logic.
By the way Tara, I am working on a rely for you. Should have it done by this weekend.
Thanks, Nathan
ARE WE STUPID? Are we simple-minded? As a public at large is it the case that we can not think in more then a simple slogan? Or is Madison Avenue running the war, Government, political speeches?
Both sides use slogans, the difference I notice is the Liberal’s slogans seem to be building from their campaign.Where the Conservatives campaign seem to be build from the slogans, the latest is “a return on success”.Watching Fox the banner is in every shot, “Moving forward”.
Move on dot org and “General be-tray-us” OMG do they think that at the most the public at large are just morons or at least the majority of the public? Now it is just wrong of Move on to attack the messenger when in reality the buck does and always will stop at the desk in the White House. Gates should have be the one to give the military part and Rice the political part and Rice should have gone first in order.Heck it should have been Bush since on his headrest the crown!
Equally moronic is the right response to the ad, instead of focusing on giving a real answer to any question.
They all seem to be anal retentive by bring every topic back to the ad! If you have what you think is a sound argument for your position. Then answering a direct question on your position with a rant about the ad just shows even you do not have a belief in your position! It is on the same level as the 10 years old defense of “Well Johnny did it too!”. And parents, how well has that argument ever worked with you?
So the question is, ARE WE STUPID? Or is it those using slogans to state their opinion just thinking we are?
Actually, I agreed with move dot org at one time when they were first formed. Their sole purpose for forming was to petition Congress that Clinton should get a censure instead of an impeachment hearing. They wanted the Congress to censure him and move one with the business of the country. I agreed.
However, the radical left of this country has taken over that organization and they are speaking out of cold-blooded, unthinking and reactionary irrational stances.
They should dissolve the organization and start over.
More roads do not diminish congestion instead further complicate matters.
Take cars off the roads. Focus on:
1. Walkability
2. Public Transportation
3. Build hike and bike paths
4. Commuter Trains
5. Commuter Bus
Bush on TV last night. Same old, same old. He’s caught in his own trap. The only thing he can do now is try to run the clock down and pass the Iraq mess off to the next administration, probably Democratic. I can hardly wait to hear the repubs trying to blame losing the war on Democrats.Maybe he’ll start another war with Iran as an added benefit.
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People will eventually get tired of arguing about Iraq. I am already tired of it. Here are the facts:1. Bush is not going to pull anybody out. Maybe a few thousands here and there but nothing big.2. The Democrats are not going to force the issue or cut funding. They will gripe in public but that is about it.4. Bush will pass the war off to the next administration. The next administration will find that they too will not be able to get out of Iraq just as LBJ found out he could not get out of Veitnam.5. If I were a gambling man my bet would be that we will be in Iraq 20 years from now. Maybe in 20 years we will be down to 30,000 or so troops but we are there to stay and anybody that tells you otherwise is a liar.
Kev, agree with #1, 2, and 4. I do not know about #3, it appears to be a secret.
#5 I think we will get out sooner; probably, because of the elections in five years. Get out means 30,000 or so troops.
#3 is the realization that the only-est thing that led to Shrub’s invasion and occupation of Iraq is that God put our oil under their sand.
It’s only because so many Republic Party contributors can make so damned much money sucking oil out of the ground that George WMD Bush has spent $5 billion a week to kill brown people.
Imagine if America spent $5 billion a week to develop alternatives to fossil fuels. Chances are we’d be hiring those 4,000 American soldiers instead of burying them.
Osama Bin Laden’s new tape, he sounds exactly like any Democrat. Word for word. I think we can safely say that Osama is a full fledge American Democrat. Wow!
Osama Bin Laden-D
Another spokesperson for the Dems to embrace.
“Imagine if America spent $5 billion a week to develop alternatives to fossil fuels. Chances are we’d be hiring those 4,000 American soldiers instead of burying them.”
Fiscal irresponsibility is a pox on the Republican Party.
Really, Caveman?
Why are you listening to Osama bin Laden? I thought you fire-eating Repukes didn’t want to try to “understand” the enemy.
Bin Laden is using the force of arms to intimidate people to believe what he believes. That makes him an honorary REPUBLICAN.
Bin Ladin sounded like a Democrat, because thats what Bush wanted him to sound like!
That gave all the RW pundits, and radio nuts their talking points!
Editors,
Can we get a “Bush Iraq Speech” thread?
Praise the FSM, today is HOLIDAY!!!
Ramen to all.
Caveman,
You’re aptly named, what with that sophisticated political analysis and all.
“Bin Ladin sounded like a Democrat, because thats what Bush wanted him to sound like!”
My . . . the tin foil hat is on early today!
Keep in mind that I am also 99% sure that these results are the same in every state that allows concealed carry too!
Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 01:11 AM
Nathan – Is there movement in the Kansas legislature to repeal the CC law? I’m just wondering why you are so fixated on this. It’s law, you can carry, and like many other issues, you are not going to convince those that are against CC that they are wrong. Just be happy that your side won, not everyone has to agree with you.
This year, the Legislature passed HB2528, which restricts Kansas counties from adding further restrictions to where concealed weapons can be legally carried. This bill strengthened last year’s concealed carry bill.
HB2528 was vetoed by the Governor, and her veto was overridden. Concealed carry is in no danger of being restricted or outlawed in the state of Kansas.
Nathan and others just like arguing this. But it’s a “done deal.” Y’all can stop now.
Osama Bin Laden-DAnother spokesperson for the Dems to embrace.Posted by: Caveman | September 14, 2007 at 07:06 AM
GMC,
Tell me – given Caveman’s comments – who is wearing the tin-foil hat here?
Nathan,
i would just LOVE to see where you got your facts from…
If they are your OPINIONS, great post them all you want, but DON’T masquerade them as fact.
And TDT is right. Drop it all ready… face the fact that regardless of however much you may love them, some of us do not like guns, will never like guns, and don’t need to like guns… And some people do NOT act smartly in the handling of said guns… Having been on the wrong side of a loaded twelve gauge leveled at my head by a drunk ex-boyfriend, let me tell you, there will be no next time around a gun for me… I don’t need a gun to make myself feel safer, and all the arguments in the world about being ready to defend myself are nothing but a load of crap – yeah, i could go out and get a permit and get a gun and carry it with me, but push comes to shove hell no i seriously doubt I will be capable of firing the damn thing – I will be more concerned with figuring out how to get the hell out of the situation as fast as possible, and my hands would definitely be less than steady, so I’d be more likely to cause my own self harm than anyone else – as with a majority of people who would react the same way…
Mark these words, you saw it here first. The path to Iran will be irreversible before the 2008 election. Inside 10 years, all the MSM will be able to broadcast is the Arab-American war. Israel will cease to exist – whether it glows in the dark or not is yet to be seen. We will have terror bombings in the US daily. Death tolls will be in the thousands each night. Our president will be targeted if not assassinated. Gas will be $10-15 per gallon with severe rationing.
Mark these words. Our fate has already been sealed.
Wow Sol, I’ve never seen such a glum prediction from you.
“We will have terror bombings in the US daily. Death tolls will be in the thousands each night.”Posted by: SolDevVB
Overkill. After the dirty bombs we will glow in the dark making it dangerous to plant new bombs. But there will great progess in Iraq.
C2,We’ll just have to make our own Bush Speech Thread.Did you note that he said that pulling out our people who got surged in would be dependant on our success in stopping the violence? If success is to be the criteria, we’ll have surged another 50,000 troops into Iraq by year’s end, given the current record of success!
Jed,
Indeed. The future’s so bright, Caligula’s gotta wear shades!
Dark and glum, but damn look at reality. We are involved with people that behead and stone people to death. Anyone that claims to ‘know’ the Arab mindset are blithering idiots. Reagan had the intelligence not to get involved in Beirut. Bush Sr. had enough intelligence not to continue the war into Iraq. Clinton had enough intelligence not to invade Iraq and settled for some cruise missiles instead. While all of this may have lead to 9/11, going into Afghanistan and Iraq and toppling their government was the biggest bone head move of all time.
Look, the Muslims DON’T GIVE UP. They think it is a reward to die for their cause. Three of the last four presidents understood that. The Chimp in Chief chose to ignore these facts. Congress and the legislative branch will not let us get out of Iraq. The Neo Cons are doing EVERYTHING they ca to get ANOTHER war started in Iran. Newt is asking PRIVATE CITIZENS to commit a terror act against Iran. WTF?
We poked and poked the hornet’s nest. We will be stung and stung and stung. We have proven that we cannot defend against guerrilla warfare in Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Now here we go into Iran. And I believe if you follow the logic path, what I posted above is inevitable.
All just my opinion. Wait and see. God willing I am WAY off the mark.
Fiscal irresponsibility is a pox on the Republican Party.
The same is true of the Democratics Party as evidenced in its last control of Congress and its current control of Congress.
Maybe in 20 years we will be down to 30,000 or so troops but we are there to stay and anybody that tells you otherwise is a liar.
The Arab world will not allow this and if we try it, jihad will result.
The path to Iran will be irreversible before the 2008 election.
We do have enough troops to go after Iran, and it would cause us more trouble than it is worth with the Arabs, who would probably cut off oil supplies to us and the rest of the world. Israel will not be destroyed. The Jews have survived numerous attempts over the centuries to wipe them out, and they have always survived. Ask Hitler, Stalin, various middle eastern world powers (Babylon, etc.). I doubt we will have daily terror bombings unless idiots do not take a stance against them. Unlike Iraq, many Americans would fight against the bombers.
Anyone that claims to ‘know’ the Arab mindset are blithering idiots.
Where’s the proof of this statement? Only idiots are the ones that try to use Western thinking and logic to understand the Arab mindset. Middle Eastern thinking is different and can be appreciated by studying history and talking to Arabs. This is where too many on the left and almost as many on the right screw up by using Western thought processes.
Arabs believe in an eye for an eye. They also believe if they attack you and you do not respond back that you are weak and should be attacked again and again.
“Unlike Iraq, many Americans would fight against the bombers.”Posted by: Chavez Is a Dictator | September 14, 2007 at 09:51 AM
With the porous borders we have, they can stream in unfettered. Just exactly whom do you intend to fight? Anyone who looks like they MIGHT be of Arab decent? The American uprising against Arabs or those looking like Arabs will fan the flames of the Jihad.
Look, in England, they convinced a doctor to blow himself up. A doctor. The man had to have some kind of intelligence. But the swell of Jihad turned him into a human detonator.
So whom do we fight? And what about the non-Arab-looking Jihadists? Radical Islam knows no race. They convert millions of every decent. We really screwed the pooch. The war in Iran will be our complete undoing.
Huffington Post “quick read”:
Eight months after President Bush made public a plan he hailed as the “New Way Forward” in Iraq, he’s announced a new plan, this one called “Return on Success.”
The new plan was reminiscent of last year’s “Operation Together Forward,” which called for U.S. troops to secure neighborhoods in Baghdad and hand them over to Iraqi security forces. It bore similarities to an even older plan commonly articulated with the catchphrase “as they stand up, we’ll stand down.”—————-Americans, please remember how many times bush’s war has been colored with slogans. Please remember the first of the “surge” troops were on their way to Iraq last January when bush announced that “surge.” Remember facts, not spin. Contact your elected officials. Take back your country.
Is there a transcript of Obama’s latest video tape? (In English of course)
Osama Bin Laden’s new tape, he sounds exactly like any Democrat. Word for word. I think we can safely say that Osama is a full fledge American Democrat. Wow!
Osama Bin Laden-D
Another spokesperson for the Dems to embrace.
Posted by: Caveman | September 14, 2007 at 07:06 AM
“However, the radical left of this country has taken over that organization and they are speaking out of cold-blooded, unthinking and reactionary irrational stances.”
And Ann Coulter speaks out of warm and fuzzy, well-thought out and rational thinking. Sure, Kansas. Add Rush and Sean and others and you have a football team.
Yes, both sides are known to have their extremists. The Far Right has shown it works for them. The Far Left is just following suit.
We should be addressing WHY MoveOn.org coined the phrase, not that they did it.
“I can hardly wait to hear the repubs trying to blame losing the war on Democrats.”
Then let’s start building on the predictability of the Republicans. They started it but couldn’t (or wouldn’t) finish it. Cowardly failures.
Look, in England, they convinced a doctor to blow himself up. A doctor. The man had to have some kind of intelligence.
In industrialized countries, most of the jihadists are intelligent and highly educated people.
Do you think the average American is going to not attack Arab looking people if these bombings occur? I seriously doubt it, even if it means jihad. The only reason the terror bombings work is because the majority of people support the bombers, either directly or indirectly. That is not going to happen here.
Closing the border is a lot easier than most think, but both the Republicans and Democrats like the illegals for different reasons. Station the military along the border with shoot to kill orders. I realize this is probably not going to happen, but if terror bombers start crossing the Mexican borders and doing major terror attacks, it will.
According to a report several weeks ago, terrorists had made a deal with some of the Mexican smugglers to cross the borders, so it is probable that a fair number are here now. That is a great reason to man the border with armed forces and shoot to kill orders.
Is there a transcript of Obama’s latest video tape? (In English of course)
Dont you mean Osama?
The Far Left is just following suit.
If it is wrong for the Far Right to do it, it is equally wrong for the Far Left. The Far Left cannot take the high road if it is doing the same thing as the Far Right.
Have to go.
Return on Success; anykind of return is a Good Thing! Pounds for pennies!
5. If I were a gambling man my bet would be that we will be in Iraq 20 years from now. Maybe in 20 years we will be down to 30,000 or so troops but we are there to stay and anybody that tells you otherwise is a liar.
Posted by: Kev | September 14, 2007 at 06:06 AM
We’ll return our troops from Iraq sometime after our troops return home from Germany, Britain, Japan (WWII), Korea, etc….
Anyone who tells you different, is a liar.
The US has kept significant troops in place in Europe, Japan, and Korea for 60 YEARS.
Here are a few countries where US troops were deployed as of 2000:
Japan –41016Korea –36314Bosnia –8319Germany –62667Italy –11663Britain –11143Egypt –1869Kuwait –3941Saudi Arabia –4157
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/troopMarch2005.xls
Plans to bring US troops home from Europe, Korea, and elsewhere:
On August 16, 2004, the Bush Administration announced a proposal tosignificantly alter the U.S. overseas military basing posture. The proposal would, ifimplemented, establish new overseas operating sites, and transfer up to 70,000 U.S.troops, plus 100,000 family members and civilians, from Europe and Asia back to theUnited States. The Administration argues that current U.S. global basing arrangementsare a product of World War II and the Korean War. With the end of the Cold War, thesebasing arrangements need to be updated to ensure that U.S. forces are optimallypositioned to respond to potential 21st-Century military threats.
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RS21975.pdf
True, Max; but given that your figures are for 2000, it raises the question of how many are in those various places in 2005 or 2006, for example; and for those who are there, say in Germany and Japan, are they still needed?
Max, looks like we had crossing posts there; appreciate the latest post.
Max,
We have troops in over 100 countries. What you posted is only the tip of the iceberg.
Vaughn, I think most of the deployment numbers are the same, but I didn’t have a chance to find more recent numbers.
As for Bush’s 2004 plan to bring many of the troops home from Europe and the Far East, that hasn’t happened yet to my knowledge.
While there’s much advantage and some need for forward deployment of US forces, Europe can now take care of its own, including Bosnia.
The US is at a severe disadvantage when we must spend our resources to defend prosperous countries in Europe and the Far East.
These same countries our the biggest economic competitors we have, outside of China that is.
Time to make Europe, Japan, and Korea pay for their own defense. Then we can bring those troops home.
Max,
We have troops in over 100 countries. What you posted is only the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: Rox | September 14, 2007 at 10:35 AM
Oh, I know. Would take up too much space to paste them all. That’s why I posted the link.
There’s thousands of troops in several countries, besides Iraq, that should have been brought home years ago.
Considering the Soviet Union collapsed almost 20 years ago was exactly is the point of NATO? you always hear about the US military being overextended yet we have almost a 100 thousand troops in Europe waiting for the russians to invade? Or a US taxpayer funded mercenary force for Europe and Japan
There’s a little more impetus to bringing the troops home from Iraq as opposed to say Germany, etc.They aren’t getting blown up on the streets of other countries like they will continue to be in Iraq.
Time to make Europe, Japan, and Korea pay for their own defense. Then we can bring those troops home.
Posted by: Max | September 14, 2007 at 10:40 AM
You’re DAMN straight. The only candidate that has even spoken word one about this is.
Drum roll….
I’m sure y’all are on the edge of your seats…..
Ron Paul 2008!!!!
Considering the Soviet Union collapsed almost 20 years ago was exactly is the point of NATO?
Posted by: Tom Paine | September 14, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Hell Tom, I agree and I’ll go you one better. With the UN proving so impotent, why are we involved with them?
Drop NATO, drop the UN. Pull our troops home.
Forward thinking?
I think we would have a problem with Japan. Their consitution would need to be modified to provide for their own defense.
I wonder who wrote their constitution?
MacArthur essentially wrote the Japanese constitution.
I’ve been wondering what it would be like to live in a country that didn’t feel it had to have military forces spread all around the world. Canada, Mexico, to some extent Australia. I sort of think it is time to start keeping our nose out of other people’s business. Yes, Europe, China, et. al can start defending themselves. They don’t really iike us there anyway.
Some more seriously biting humor from the Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/hundreds_line_up_overnight_for
“They don’t really iike us there anyway.”
Except that troops and their families create more revenue in those countries…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQKNvPn3V-8&feature=bz100
Miss Teen South Carolina tries to explain herself. Almost as good as her competition answer.
think we would have a problem with Japan. Their consitution would need to be modified to provide for their own defense.
That’s their problem, not ours.
Hell Tom, I agree and I’ll go you one better. With the UN proving so impotent, why are we involved with them?
Having recently watched Hotel Rwanda, I agree. Too many times, UN peacekeepers have done nothing but observe. They can’t even defend the people they are supposed to be protecting. I lost respect for the UN when it, on at least 3 separate occasions, convinced the victims to give up their weapons and then the UN watched as the victims were slaughtered and raped by the aggressors.
The US is at a severe disadvantage when we must spend our resources to defend prosperous countries in Europe and the Far East.
I support the withdrawal of US troops from countries that should be protecting themselves, Italy, Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc. If we are going to stay, then those countries need to be paying the full cost for our troops to be there, including salaries, benefits, maintenance, etc.
Those countries benefit economically from us being there and also from not having to spend the military budget necessary to defend themselves if we weren’t there.
The EU should be able to defend itself against most threats and take care of Bosnia type situations without our help. We get dumped on if we help, and we get dumped on if we don’t help.
The AU should be able to take care of its own continent without outside help.
Dear Morons,Osama has us right where he wants us; spending 3 billion dollars a week that we don’t have, and crippling our army in a poorly managed war.
Who supports this? Republicans! And you think Osama is a Democrat?
As I said, Dear Morons…
61% of the country wants out of Iraq.
The republicans aren’t finished being “had” yet.
Learning takes a little longer when you’re a conservative.
Who supports this? Republicans! And you think Osama is a Democrat?
The Democrats are supporting it too since they refuse to challenge the Republicans on the issue. Both groups fit the moron category. They talk a good talk, but the Democrats don’t walk the walk, only talk the talk. There are so many ways they could force the issue, but they don’t. Which is more important, principle or allowing people to die to make a point? I will start supporting Democrats when they do what needs to be done and stop wasting my money as much as the other guys and gals. Both sides need to read the Constitution and get the government back to what the Constitution allows and not all of this other stuff it does not allow or specifically prohibits. As we get closer to election time, I hope one side or the other makes issues out of the big issues and stop making issues out of the little issues.
Learning takes a little longer when you’re a conservative.
The same can be said for liberals. I expect to see some big changes within the next few election cycles as more liberals and conservatives realize how bad their parties are screwing us over.
“read the Constitution and get the government back to what the Constitution allows and not all of this other stuff it does not allow or specifically prohibits.”
Ron Paul 2008
Sol I hope Ron Paul gets a fair chance but with the media ignoring it that will be difficult. I saw other posters raise the issue of having presidential primaries on the same day. It may or may not help dark horse candidates but it would level the playing field. Currently if you win enough of the early primaries you are almost guaranteed the party ticket even if you are a bad choice for your party.
I meant ignoring him, not it.
Grass roots. I listen to fox news radio during work commute. You’d be surprised how many ‘republicans’ or ‘conservatives’ call in either supporting RP or having RPish view points.
O’Riely can’t handle it and hangs up. Hanity tries to ‘blow them up’ but to me seems to just sound like a shrill GOP puppet.
RP supporters are there. They have heard the message of freedom. They are spreading the word.
I think its fair to say 100% of the people want to be out of Iraq. Bush would love to proclaim victory and withdraw tomorrow. That would be the best thing for his legacy and the republican party. But if he gives up now his failure will be cemented forever.
Its like the gambler who wants to break even but keeps going deeper.
Full Transcript from Osama tape released 9/11/07:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/SITE-OBL-transcript.pdf
These selected phrases from the full transcript, could be from many Democrats, but they are from Osama Bin Laden:
Then Bush talks about his working with al-Maliki and his government to spread freedom in Iraq buthe in fact is working with the leaders of one sect against another sect, in the belief that this will quickly decide the war in his favor.
And thus, what is called the civil war came into being and matters worsened at his hands before getting out of his control and him becoming like the one who plows and sows the sea: he harvests nothing but failure.
So these are some of the results of the freedom about whose spreading he is talking to you. And then the backtracking of Bush on his insistence on not giving the United Nations expandedjurisdiction in Iraq is an implicit admission of his loss and defeat there.
And among the most important items contained in Bush’s speeches since the events of the 11th is that the Americans have no option but to continue the war. This tone is in fact an echoing of the words of neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Richard Pearle, the latter having said previously that the Americans have no choice in front of them other than to continue the war or face a holocaust.
More selected words (Sounds like some Democrats you know? Oh, and Osama supports the Democrat effort to move to Socialism):
People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for peoplehave recently come to know that, after several years of the tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there, which has led to the vast majority of you beingafflicted with disappointment.
And here is the gist of the matter, so one should pause, think and reflect: why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?
I will come back to reply to this question after raising another question, which is:
Why are the leaders of the White House keen to start wars and wage them around the world, andmake use of every possible opportunity through which they can reach this purpose, occasionally even creating justifications based on deception and blatant lies, as you saw Iraq?
So in answer to the question about the causes of the Democrats’ failure to stop the war, I say: they are the same reasons which led to the failure of former president Kennedy to stop the Vietnam war. Those with real power and influence are those with the most capital. And since the democratic system permits major corporations to back candidates, be they presidential or congressional, there shouldn’t be any cause for astonishment – and there isn’t any- in the Democrats’ failure to stop the war. And you’re the ones who have the saying which goes, “Money talks.” And I tell you: after the failure of your representatives in the Democratic Party to implement your desire to stop the war, you can still carry anti-war placards and spread out in the streets of major cities, then go back to your homes, but that will be of no use and will lead to the prolonging of the war.
Last selection post on Osama (Democrat?):
However, there are two solutions for stopping it. The first is from our side, and it is to continue to escalate the killing and fighting against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out, and I ask Allah to grant them resolve and victory.
And the second solution is from your side. It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations.
And with that, it has become clear to all that they are the real tyrannical terrorists. In fact, the life of all of mankind is in danger because of the global warming resulting to a large degree from the emissions of the factories of the major corporations, yet despite that, the representative of thesecorporations in the White House insists on not observing the Kyoto accord, with the knowledge that the statistic speaks of the death and displacement of the millions of human beings because of that, especially in Africa. This greatest of plagues and most dangerous of threats to the lives of humans is taking place in an accelerating fashion as the world is being dominated by the democratic system, which confirms its massive failure to protect humans and their interests from the greed and avarice of the major corporations and their representatives.
And despite this brazen attack on the people, the leaders of the West – especially Bush, Blair, Sarkozy and Brown- still talk about freedom and human rights with a flagrant disregard for the intellects of human beings. So is there a form of terrorism stronger, clearer and more dangerous than this? This is why I tell you: as you liberated yourselves before from the slavery of monks, kings, and feudalism, you should liberate yourselves from the deception, shackles and attrition ofthe capitalist system.
FULL TEXT IS AT: http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/SITE-OBL-transcript.pdf
Sorry for the long posts. I highly recommend all read the full text from the link. It’s important to understand the enemy we face.
You may also see very similar words used by the Democratic opposition to the war today.
Why do you suppose Osama uses the same words of the Democrats who oppose the war?
Osama (Killer of 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and don’t forget the prior attacks) and his terrorist supporters are getting their tail kicked in the mideast.
Osama will be destroyed if the US is successful in Iraq.
And now that the Democrats have taken the same position, utterred almost the same words as Osama, the Democratic party will also be destroyed if the US is successful in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/22/AR2007082202402.html
Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, House majority whip, recently said that it would be “a real big problem for us” — Democrats — if Petraeus reports substantial progress.
Rep. Nancy Boyda, a Kansas Democrat, recently found reports of progress unendurable. She left a hearing of the Armed Services Committee because retired Gen. Jack Keane was saying things Boyda thinks might “further divide this country,” such as that Iraq’s “schools are open. The markets are teeming with people.” Boyda explained: “There is only so much you can take until we in fact had to leave the room for a while . . . after so much of the frustration of having to listen to what we listened to.”
Osama even brought up global warming in his indictment against America. If it wasn’t for 9/11, he would have many Americans under his spell for sure.
Even the most vile individual can speak the truth.
Not everything OBL said is the truth but some of it is.
Even Saddam Hussein openly said that their were no WMDs and he spoke the truth.
Democrats will continue to speak the truth.
From the beginning of the war in Iraq, the Bush admin has been less than truthful and that disregard for the higher road has placed America in unnecessary jeopardy.
It is impossible to win any war without the moral mandate to inflict enormous pain and suffering to the enemy (reference Japan and Germany during WWII.
We are not able to do this in Iraq because we were not attacked by an Iraqi entity. Therefore, many people oppose this war and the USA because of the feeling that the USA has no right to be there.
However, since 2003 we are not fighting the Iraqi people. We are fighting AQI and thus this war does have some merit if you consider the fact that Al Queda did preemptively attack the USA during 9/11.
I think this war should be ended as soon as possible, but allowing it to become an Al Queda stronghold for the sake of ending the war is only a short term solution. No responsible freedom loving Democrat or Republican will pull out of Iraq when the only forseeable result is to see it controlled by Al Queda. It just aint going to happen.
However, Al Quedy has chosen
erase last line.
IF you are a republican person of leadership, it would be to your great advantage to have Bin Laden sound like a Democrat… That way you could go on all the RW talk shows, and say how much OBL sounds like a Democrat!!
I will stand on that one…
kool…oj is in trouble again.
The DEMOCRATS WANT THE UNITED STATES TO LOOSE THE WAR!!!!
Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, House majority whip, recently said that it would be “a real big problem for us” — Democrats — if Petraeus reports substantial progress. Rep. Nancy Boyda, a Kansas Democrat, recently found reports of progress unendurable. She left a hearing of the Armed Services Committee because retired Gen. Jack Keane was saying things Boyda thinks might “further divide this country,” such as that Iraq’s “schools are open. The markets are teeming with people.” Boyda explained: “There is only so much you can take until we in fact had to leave the room for a while . . . after so much of the frustration of having to listen to what we listened to.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/22/AR2007082202402.html
Wow,
I guess Linda and Apophis want me to kill myself?
I may have a different opinion and I may voice it loudly…
But saying I should look down the barrel of a loaded gun?
Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 12:02 AM
You know Nathan, it is O.K., for these people to make threats to other posters. In fact, they can even JOKE about the threats in later threads. You should report them both.
A few months ago, the libs reported the poster KANSAS, for saying much less than this. Further, they continue to brow beat Kansas whenever he posts – even after he apologized.
The posts yesterday need to go on record. It is typical of the attitude of liberals nationwide: It is sinful for republicans to do something wrong, but when a democrat does the same – ignore or gloss over it (e.g.Hillary bribe money/demo’s calling Patreaus a liar before he even spoke).
Yes, anybody can use truth to obtain power and infuence. Osama is not stranger to what makes americans tick. This latest “sermon” of his is nothing but an attempt to convince the world that he is right and more importantly that America is Evil.
Too bad he had to kill thousands or civilians and attempt to kill thousands more or else we might fall for it.
Not amount of bungling on behalf of any president in the White House will cause me to support the effort by OBL win this war.
Not one negative post about MOVEON.org’s Gen. David Petraeus comments? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Liberals are satisfied that your candidates support calling one of our military commanders a liar? Your candidates have zero respect for the military. Deep down they loathe the military.
Do you guys always agree with everything your party does or says?
That what scares me away. I’ll stick independent, and am hoping for a fresh candidate without the baggage of party.
Max, are you sure the Capn didn’t write that?
I support the withdrawal of US troops from countries that should be protecting themselves, Italy, Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc.
The EU should be able to defend
The AU should be able to take care of its own continent without outside help.
Posted by: Chavez is a dictator
I wonder what would have happened to Europe, Japan, and South Korea had the US withdrawn it’s forces immediately upon defeating the organized armies in those countries? Western Europe was a basket case in 1945. We had destroyed Japan’s industry, and South Korea was just a dream.
Now, the three mentioned areas are leading industrial powers in the world. Democracies. Even democrats agree they are more than capable of being self supportive today.
So why not Iraq?
If one is so stupid as to believe that “Democrats want the U.S. to loose [sic, LOSE] in Iraq,” then you’re too stupid to reason with.
If it were true — WHICH IT IS NOT — what Democrats hope for has nothing to do with whether Iraq becomes a stable, functioning democracy or remains a miasma of violence and sectarianism.
What Democrats hope for, or what Republicans hope for, has nothing to do with what the IRAQIS are going to do.
Ok how can I explain why Dems are frustrated with this whole war good news crap.
Say we have a President and he runs this country beautifully, like lowest poverty ever, lowest unemployment, peace, whatever it is it’s good. And then he gets one tiny sexual indiscretion and a whole mob of people want to tear down his legacy.
Ok, maybe that wasn’t a good example for the tighty righties to identify with.
Say we have a nuclear explosion…we’ve got streams polluted for years, downwind everything is uninhabitable, everything obliverated for miles. but in the middle of this big ole mess, there’s a group of people who are gathered around this one lone living flower. Saying, Oh, look how beautiful it is, see it has nice green leaves, and and and see how it is standing upright so nicely! And they criticise us for remarking about the devistation.
You can have democracy or you can have control.
You can’t have both.
Say we have a nuclear explosion…we’ve got streams polluted for years, downwind everything is uninhabitable, everything obliverated for miles. but in the middle of this big ole mess, there’s a group of people who are gathered around this one lone living flower. Saying, Oh, look how beautiful it is, see it has nice green leaves, and and and see how it is standing upright so nicely! And they criticise us for remarking about the devistation.
Posted by: political_mom | September 14, 2007 at 02:24 PM
Puts a flower in PMom’s hair and plays a Joan Baez song.
The reason why I keep posting gun facts?
Because there are still people like Chas and Mary who keep making the same arguments.
Just last week Chas was saying he didn’t like concealed carry because people would be shooting others for one of those above reasons.
My point is that all of the anti-gun crowds arguments against concealed carry have not come true.
It is to illustrate that a year after the law was passed we are not seeing the blood in the street or the wild west like those who opposed concealed carry said.
The point is to continue to illustrate the absurdity of the anti-gun crowds arguments.
It took a long time to get that law passed and it was a narrow victory.
We had to override the Governors veto every step of the way.
We had to then fight the cities who tried to circumvent the spirit of the law and then once again had to overcome the Governors veto.
Even now there are anti-gun people going around and telling businesses that they HAVE TO place the no concealed carry signs up.
The battle is not over.
“And then he gets one tiny sexual indiscretion…”
He lied.
The battle is not over.
Posted by: Nathan
I agree.
But Nathan, Chas. did say we could have a .22. Make mine a M-16, please.
hotdog1,
You are comparing apples to oranges. Germnay has the highest national iq in the world and South Korea and Japan also have national iqs over 100. The average iq for Iraq is about 85, so the quality and capcity of arabs is lacking for a start.
Also, Germany, Japan and South Korea were all homogenous nation states with a unity of purpose. Iraq is a false construct drawn up by British colonialists. Iraq is CURSED with ethnic and sectarian diversity. You can have stable, free and porsperous societies or you can have DIVERSITY but ya can’t have both!!
JOIN THE GNOSTIC LIBERATION FRONT TODAY!!!
An M-16 would technically be a .223.
The Gnostics were condemned as heretics because they believed they could become gods.
Kansas Gnostic thinks he’s god too.
I think people who need to carry guns around with them, just for fun, are ridiculous. I support concealed carry for those who really need to do it- like women who are being stalked by their ex husbands, police officers, those going into scary places. For the rest of you, who have to be packing to go to the grocery store, you’re the ones I’m afraid of.
CF2K asks for a “Bush Speech” thread.
You know what’s funny?
Even THE EAGLE knows that Bush’s “same sh*t different day” speech isn’t worth a blog.
Worst. President. Ever.
RUH ROH!
You know how you never see Condi Rice with a date?
Looks like she may be another one of those closeted members of the gay-bashers party:
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice co-owned a home and shared a line of credit with another woman, according to Washington Post diplomatic correspondent Glenn Kessler, who reveals the information in his new book, The Confidante: Condoleezza Rice and the Creation of the Bush Legacy.
Kessler discussed the revelations with talk-show host and gay activist Michaelangelo Signorile Friday.
According to the book, Rice owns a home together with Randy Bean, a documentary filmmaker who once worked with Bill Moyers. Kessler made the discovery by looking through real estate records.
Political Mom,
Why are you afraid of law abiding citizens who pass a background check, take a course of instruction on firearms safety and hadling and the laws, and then have to demonstrate the ability to safely fire a gun?
LOL I told a co-worker last night that was eating Chile and greens which he said makes him fart ( he is know for his outbursts). He better watch out if Bush finds out he has Gas, he will warn him about WMDs and then invade!
I always thought she was bush’s ‘black magic woman’.
I always thought she was bush’s ‘black magic woman’.
For y’all that still support the war. Please watch these videos ad tell me if this is where you want your kids, friends, and/or loved ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR8wV6Pyy8Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrdcddNx29chttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWH7ovqzEwEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7yKgqtEZ_Mhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzQvsDV0X4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxzUl9iahsM
Memories may be beautiful and yet,What’s too painful to re-mem-ber,we simply choose to forget:
“This will be no war — there will be a fairly brief and ruthless military intervention…. The president will give an order. will be rapid, accurate and dazzling…. It will be greeted by the majority of the Iraqi people as an emancipation. And I say, bring it on.”(Christopher Hitchens, in a 1/28/03 debate– cited in the Observer,3/30/03)
“I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?”(Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly, 1/29/03)
“It won’t take weeks. You know that, professor. Our military machine will crush Iraq in a matter of days and there’s no question that it will.”(Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly, 2/10/03)
“He actually thought that he could stop us and win the debate worldwide. But he didn’t–he didn’t bargain on a two- or three week war. I actually thought it would be less than two weeks.”(NBC reporter Fred Francis, Chris Matthews Show, 4/13/03)
NPR’s Mara Liasson: Where there was a debate about whether or not Iraq had these weapons of mass destruction and whether we can find it…
Brit Hume: No, there wasn’t. Nobody seriously argued that he didn’t have them beforehand. Nobody.(Fox News Channel, April 6, 2003)
1. Say we have a President and he runs this country beautifully, like lowest poverty ever, lowest unemployment, peace, whatever it is it’s good. And then he gets one tiny sexual indiscretion and a whole mob of people want to tear down his legacy.
2. Say we have a nuclear explosion…we’ve got streams polluted for years, downwind everything is uninhabitable, everything obliverated for miles. but in the middle of this big ole mess, there’s a group of people who are gathered around this one lone living flower. Saying, Oh, look how beautiful it is, see it has nice green leaves, and and and see how it is standing upright so nicely! And they criticise us for remarking about the devistation.Posted by: political_mom | September 14, 2007 at 02:24 PM
Pmom, it’s BECAUSE we had a complacent President in the 1ST CASE, who put on rose colored glasses, smelled all the flowers, and IGNORED the building dangerous storm, that we have the 2ND CASE.
I think people who need to carry guns around with them, just for fun, are ridiculous. I support concealed carry for those who really need to do it- like women who are being stalked by their ex husbands, police officers, those going into scary places. For the rest of you, who have to be packing to go to the grocery store, you’re the ones I’m afraid of.
Posted by: political_mom | September 14, 2007 at 02:40 PM
THROW Equal Protection Under the Law, and The Right To Bear Arms BOTH out the window Pmom!
And screw Freedom too while you’re at it.
I’m afraid of how trigger happy ya’ll are Nathan.
And Max, exactly HOW did my statement show any inequality to men? Uh, no! The situations are equal to both sexes!
Max, you surely mean when Bush ignored the report “bin laden determined to strike within the US”…yeah I know. That totally sucked that he did that, isn’t it.
Political Mom,
Show me one case, one reason, one example of anyone who was licensed to carry concealed who acted “trigger happy”… whatever that means?
Political Mom,
You are probably one of the people who still thinks people are going to shoot each other over road rage because of concealed carry?
Max, are you sure the Capn didn’t write that?Posted by: Kansas | September 14, 2007 at 01:37 PM
No, Capn isn’t that bad, but Osama does sound like the Democratic party.
Course if you believe Chas, there’s a conspiracy where the Republican’s somehow wrote a script for Osama!
I still want a phaser like they use in Star Trek. :)
I am a Marine Corps Marksmanship Instructor.
I am a Marine Corps Armorer… I fix weapons.
I have been to matches and competitions.
I have taught over 1,000 Marines how to shoot everything from a Pistol to a Machine gun in urban environments and open ones.
I am a Hunters Safety Instructor.
I go out and practice shooting more in one month than the average police officer does in a whole year.
Now why do you think I am trigger happy and why would you be scared of someone like me carrying concealed????
MY GOODNESS PEOPLE!
The people you NEED TO BE scared of are the ones who are carrying concealed ILLEGALLY.
Not the people who submit to a KBI background check, turn in their fingerprints the the Sherriff, pay hundreds of dollars for processing fees and take a course of instruction.
You can have democracy or you can have control.
You can’t have both.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 14, 2007 at 02:26 PM
Control by Government Capn? You want Hillary to have the kind of control she wants to have?
Control should be By The People, not By The Government.
Well at least this thing is environmentally friednly. :)
Russian army ‘tests the father of all bombs’
By Adrian Blomfield in MoscowLast Updated: 2:30am BST 13/09/2007
Russia has delivered a belligerent message of defiance to the West after army generals claimed to have tested “the father of all bombs”.
Putin quick to pick Russian prime ministerPeter Foster blog: Bombs and bombastDeveloped in secret, the unchristened bomb, a vacuum device capable of emitting shockwaves as powerful as a nuclear weapon, was unveiled with great theatre on state television’s main evening broadcast.
A mushroom cloud rises over a plain as Russia’s military test their latest weapon
Boasting that the weapon had “no match in the world,” ORT First Channel television showed a Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bomber dropping its payload over a testing ground, followed by a massive explosion.
Pictures of what appeared to be crumpled multi-storey apartment blocks were also broadcast.
Although there was no independent verification of the Russian military’s claim, the test is likely to cause further consternation in the West after a series of bellicose statements by the president, Vladimir Putin.
According to Russian generals, the bomb is four times more powerful than the American Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb or MOAB.
advertisementBetter known as the Mother of All Bombs, the MOAB is a descendent of the BLU-82 Daisy cutter used in Tora Bora during the war against the Taliban in 2001.
Although it has never been used, the US military says the MOAB is capable of destroying nine city blocks in one strike.
According to Gen Alexander Rushkin, the Russian deputy chief of staff, the new bomb is smaller than the MOAB but much deadlier because, due to nanotechnology, the temperature at the epicentre of the blast is twice as high.
“Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon,” he said.
“The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature,” ORT added.
“All that is alive merely evaporates.”
Despite its destructive qualities, the bomb is environmentally friendly, Gen Rushkin said.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/12/wbomb112.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox
gnosticliberationfront.com—–
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/freedwatchad.pdf
Way to go MoveOn.org!
What I am afraid of Nathan, are those so cock sure of themselves that they’ve got to carry loaded weapons with them everywhere they go. Am I also afraid of the bad guys? Sure, but I don’t carry mace around with me everywhere just in case.
For someone who thinks LIBS are paranoid, geez.
Yeah this morning while I was cleaning Grandma’s house, I was assaulted with faux news, and their every five minute reports on the Moveon.org/New York Times thing. Talk about discussing something to death. If only Faux news would play over and over again how many times Bush told the American people lies, maybe my Grandmother wouldn’t still think Saddam caused 9/11.And for someone who watches Faux all the time, she also didn’t know Bush ever had a report called “Bin Laden determined to strike within the US” months before 9/11. She actually accused me of fibbing about it!
Political Mom,
You are a sheep. You refuse to believe that there are evil people in the world who could do you harm.
You would rather live in oblivion than choose to face that fact.
It is ok. There is nothing wrong with being a sheep.
Until that day comes when there is a wolf and then you will be wishing the sheepdog was there to protect you instead of scoffing at him…
http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
I was talking about corporate-gov’t control, Max.
We can either let the Iraqis have democracy (freedom to run their own country) OR we can stay there with our tanks and guns to keep the oil under our control.
We can’t have both.
CapnAmerica,
How are we keeping the oil under our control?
Please explain.
Nathan–
You’ve printed that g-ded bullsh*t enough now.
Call anti-war “sheep” is really starting to steam me off.
Just because I’m against the Iraq War, I’m no freaking sheep. I’m not a victim and I don’t intend to be anytime soon.
And I sure don’t need General Iron-pants there to keep me safe.
Nathan–
The oil belongs to the Iraqi people.
How much are the Iraqi people making on their oil, Nathan?
Huh, answer me that.
LOL,’Coal: cheap, abundent, cheap’http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71kckb8hhOQ
Our only home…
‘Our Pale Blue Dot’http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
HT to http://desmogblog.com/
CapnAmerica,
I was calling Political Mom a sheep because she scoffs at those who choose to arm themselves for protection. i.e. concealed carry.
I am not sure how you got that I was calling those opposed to the war sheep.
I am calling those who scoff at those who carry concealed, sheep.
How much is the average Iraqi making on oil sales, Nathan?
CapnAmerica,
I don’t know. Why don’t you tell me?
You don’t know, because it’s freaking ZERO.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,880437,00.html
The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, told the Boston Globe yesterday: “If there is a conflict with Iraq, the leader ship of the coalition [will] take control of Iraq. The oil of Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people. Whatever form of custodianship there is … it will be held for and used for the people of Iraq. It will not be exploited for the United States’ own purpose.”
Asked whether US companies would operate the oilfields, Mr Powell said: “I don’t have an answer to that question. If we are the occupying power, it will be held for the benefit of the Iraqi people and it will be operated for the benefit of the Iraqi people.”
Nathan,
Research the oil “profit sharing agreements” that Iraq is being pressured to sign.
CapnAmerica,
How much does the average American make on our oil?
Disclaimer on the Osama post:
Be careful if you read the link.
Christians who do not have strong principles and a strong faith may be convinced to turn into a Muslim. Discussion occurs regarding a profit called Jesus, not to be confused with the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
So, weak Christians, if they haven’t become Mormons, or Atheist, may be convinced to become Muslim.
CapnAmerica,
How much has the US spent on building infrastructure in Iraq for the Iraqi people?
CapnAmerica,
How much does the US spend on providing security for the Iraqi people?
LAST QUESTION AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE:
How on God’s green earth can you sit here and act like you even give two pieces of crap in caring about what happens to the Iraqi peoples oil when you could care less what happens to them when we withdrawl our troops?
Nathan, ever watch the video of the cop doing the gun safety presentation in class, when he accidentally discharges the weapon. thankfully, nobody was injured. But that kind of thing happens every day. Do you think you couldn’t make that same mistake? Here is a man who knew full well how to handle weaponry.
Now, I do believe there are bad guys out there, hell I was married to one. Do I go around feeling scared all the time enough to actually arm myself? NO WAY.
If I’m working a convenience store, would I want CC, you bet your ass. If I’m going jogging at night along desolate paths…you bet your ass. It depends on the situation.
Very little, Nathan.
For three simple reasons: one, the Bush administration gave away the royalties that Big Oil used to pay to drill offshore. That money never went to us directly but it helped pay gov’t costs, costs which our taxes must now cover.
Two, we have very little oil revenue compared to the number of people who live here. Alaska however does not have a state income tax because it sells so much oil that its costs are covered.
Three, oil on (actually under) private land is owned by the landowner or whoever has mineral rights.
How much do SAUDIS get from their oil?
I DO CARE. I said anyone who has helped the US and are a target should be relocated till they feel safe enough to return to Iraq.
For the rest of them, they’re going to have to stand and fight for their own freedoms, just like we did in our own civil/revolutionary wars.
Happiness is a warm gun!
I wonder how broken hearted Nathan will be when he grows old and dies and never got to shoot a bad guy with his concealed carry gun?
Political Mom,You are a sheep.Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Political Mom,Baby killer.Posted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 03:30 PM
I have consistenly tried to refrain from the absurdity of calling each other namesPosted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Appears to me that the Iraqi people are benefiting quite a bit from oil sales. The figures show 90-93 of the Iraqi government’s budget is paid for by oil.
Iraq oil sales made up more than 93 percent of its federal budget last year. Iraq sells about 1.6 million barrels per day.
The oil law would set guidelines for how Iraq’s vast 115 billion barrels of proven reserves — third-largest in the world — are developed. It would determine the role of the central, regional and provincial governments and the extent of foreign companies’ access to Iraq’s oil, most of which isn’t being pumped (and a lot more is considered to be undiscovered).http://www.upi.com/Energy/Analysis/2007/06/14/analysis_us_ignorant_on_iraq_oil_law/1278/
So far Iraqi oil production is tottering along at about 1.5-2 million barrels per day and unless the British withdrawal from Basra results in increased fighting there, this level of production seems sustainable and agreeable to all parties concerned in the short term. As the revenue from oil sales amounts to 90 percent of Iraq’s foreign earnings, all sides seem to fear the consequences of a complete production shutoff. http://www.energybulletin.net/34317.html
The oil law, in turn, is not simply legislation governing the third-largest proven reserves of oil in the world. Oil sales funded more than 90 percent of government last year, so the oil is a base for power in Iraq.http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/140890
Perhaps the Capn was reading the wrong Lib Website. :)
Political Mom,
I wonder how many of those kids at VT who were lined up and executed were thinking about only having a gun while out joggind at night or working in a convienence store?
I wonder if those people killed by the Carr brothers were thinking about how great it would be to just carry a gun out joggind late at night or while working in a convienence store?
Evil people do not simply wait for you to work at a store or go jogging late at night.
And that is why you are a sheep.
Do you only wear your seatbelt on days you know people are going to be driving bad or only in places where there are more accidents?
Do you only put a smokd alarm up where you know there is going to be fire?
LAST QUESTION AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE:
How on God’s green earth can you sit here and act like you even give two pieces of crap in caring about what happens to the Iraqi peoples oil when you could care less what happens to them when we withdrawl our troops?
Nathan asks how I can care about Iraqis when I don’t seem to care about them by calling for our immediate withdrawl.
First, you assume that the violence and killings would be worse than it is now. There’s no evidence it would be worse. A lot of the violence is precipitated simply by our being there.
Second, Iraq’s internal affairs have never been our problem. Just like we didn’t send in troops to stop the fighting between the Tutsis and the Hootus. Just like we didn’t send in troops to stop the continuing genocide in Rwanda. Just like we didn’t stop the massacres of Christian Indonesians in East Timor. Just like we didn’t stop the massacres of Sandinistas by right-wing death squads and even trained and armed the right-wing death squads. Just like we didn’t stop supporting Saddam when he gassed the Kurds in Halabja–in fact, Reagan even vetoed sanctions against Saddam at the time.
Maybe we should assemble a real coalition–a coalition of Arabs from the peninsula to police Iraq.
But wait. That would mean we would lose control of the oil.
So scratch that.
The rest of the Boyda story:
Boyda momentarily left a hearing of the full committee last Friday during testimony by retired Army Gen. Jack Keane, a top adviser to Army Gens. David Petraeus and Raymond Odierno, the top U.S. commanders on the ground in Iraq.
The Kansas Democrat, whose district includes two major military installations, returned to the chamber after clearing her head, an aide said, but Keane had departed in order to meet a prior engagement.
During her brief remarks, a frustrated Boyda rebuked the now-absent Keane for describing Iraq, in her own words, as “a place I might take the family for a vacation.
“Those kinds of comments will, in fact, show up in the media and further divide this country,” Boyda said, adding, “I hear over and over again that the Marines are at war, the Army’s at war and this country is at the mall.”
Political Mom,You are a sheep.Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Political Mom,Baby killer.Posted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 03:30 PM
I have consistenly tried to refrain from the absurdity of calling each other namesPosted by: Nathan | September 12, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Political Mom,And that is why you are a sheep.Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 04:17 PM
Nathan you are repeating yourself, are you confused?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6621523/
What happened to Iraq’s oil money?Former U.S. official
cites ‘pervasive leakage’
Nov. 30: Questions are being raised about how the United States is handling billions of dollars in Iraqi oil revenue. NBC’s Lisa Myers reports.
Updated: 3:17 p.m. CT Feb 17, 2005
After the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the United States took control of all of the Iraqi government’s bank accounts, including the income from oil sales. The United Nations approved the financial takeover, and President Bush vowed to spend Iraq’s money wisely. But now critics are raising serious questions about how well the United States handled billions of dollars in Iraqi oil funds.
Iraq’s oil resources generate billions of dollars — money the United States promised to protect after overthrowing Saddam Hussein.
Now, Frank Willis, a former senior American official in Iraq, tells NBC News the United States failed to safeguard the oil money known as the Development Fund for Iraq.
Tom shows his true colors by adding nothing to the conversation but divisive maliciousness.
Nathan,
It’s time to live up to your own self-righteous bullshit and stop calling PMom names. It makes you look arrogant, self-righteous, misogynistic, rude, and petty.
Enough, little man. Grow the hell up and learn some manners.
Kansas,
You mean, Nathan’s posts are divisive maliciousness?
I agree.
20,000 Arabs have flocked to Kurdistan because of the jobs from the oil industry.
Looks pretty good to me.
The GC / CC argument is getting tedious and repetitive.
I get the impression that the CC advocates argue so vehemnetly are afraid that the few individuals that oppose or think CC is a bad idea can and will actually come and take your weapons away, when they don’t have the time or inclimation to do so —
why do you give them such power over you?
…. and I get the impression the anti folks are giggling at how mad you get and the way the veins pop out on your neck ..
Another “Ground Hog Day” movie
Yes, Kansas, especially in light of the reported deal the Kurds have signed with Hunt Oil. BTW, doesn’t that essentially doom any “oil revenue sharing” in Iraq?
Tom,
First, I already explained several times to you that when I called her a Baby Killer it was to make a point.
I tried to explain it to you and apologized.
You refused to be reasonable.
I am calling Political Mom a sheep from the writings of a Retired Lt. Col.
It is meant to be illistrative of peoples attitudes towards people who carry concealed.
If you read the article you would understand that.
Instead you try to be cute and follow me around pasting that I have called Political Mom a sheep and Baby Killer and demanding I stop calling people names….
And you tell me to grow up and learn some manners?
LOL
If that is the best you can drag up against me, why don’t you go pester Chas, WS Clark, Apophis, Linda, and the countless others who are more vulgar in one day than I have been in over a year?
Do not play chess with this guy!_!
Trial Begins for Russian Accused of Marking Murders on Chessboard
MOSCOW — A man accused of killing dozens of people and keeping count of his victims on a chessboard lured most his victims by offering them vodka to mourn the death of a nonexistent dog, prosecutors said at his murder trial Friday.
Alexander Pichushkin, 33, has confessed to killing at least 62 people, with the goal of marking all 64 squares on the chessboard. He has been charged with 49 murders, most committed over the course of five years in a sprawling park on the edge of Moscow.
Pichushkin’s lawyer Pavel Ivannikov said Friday that his client admitted all the charges.
cont’d at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296772,00.html
And it took you weeks of riding Chas about being a Christian.
Political Mom,
I am not done questioning Chas about being a Christian either…
Vaughn,
It’s written in the Iraqi Constitution about oil revenue sharing.
The following excerpt for your perusal.
KRG Minister of Natural Resources, Dr. Ashti Hawrami, commented, “Thesigning of this PSC by Hunt is evidence that the KRG’s enactment of amodern and balanced oil and gas law has created a supportive andtransparent business environment which promotes investment by internationaloil companies in our Region for the benefit of all. Revenues from thisKurdistan petroleum development will be shared by the KRG throughout Iraqconsistent with the Iraq constitution and the new Oil and Gas Law of theKurdistan Region.”
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/09-08-2007/0004658941&EDATE=
You say you don’t call people names _as you’re doing it._ That makes you a hypocrite. And since you chide _other_ people for the exact behavior _you_ exhibit, all the while claiming you either A) don’t or B) have some special disposition, that makes you self-righteous.
Your apology, as predicted, came attached to an insult that blamed others for your bad behavior. Hardly an apology.
Follow you around? I don’t know what you look like, what you drive, where you live, where you work, or any other details about your personal life. I’m a Wichitan posting on a Wichita blog.
You don’t like it? Scroll over. Ignore me. Call the Eagle and have me banned.
Get some tissues and cry into them.
Missteps and Mistrust Mark the Push for Legislation
But Iraq’s oil law was far from approved. And as negotiations dragged on during the spring and summer, the inability to devise a means to divide the spoils of the world’s third-largest oil reserves had instead torn Iraqis further apart. Khalilzad’s hands-on efforts for the law are now seen by many Iraqis as inspiring a swell of Arab nationalist opposition and as one of many stumbles on the legislation’s dismal journey.
“This was a very bad move by the Americans to push for this law,” said Issam al-Chalabi, a former oil minister. “Now it looks like . . . the Americans are after oil — they will bring their Exxons and Chevrons and they will control our oil again.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090402190.html
But never mind, Nathan is SURE that we didn’t invade Iraq and continue to occupy it for the GASP! oil.
He knows because President Bush told him so . . .
Thanks for the information, Kansas.
Wait . . . there’s more:
Meanwhile, bitterness was rising from many factions — unions in the oil-rich port city of Basra, petroleum industry experts, Sunni politicians and those loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr — that the law would allow foreign companies to make off with Iraq’s oil wealth. A group of 419 Iraqi academics, engineers and oil industry experts would later sign an open letter to parliament stating that “it is clear that the government is trying to implement one of the demands of the American occupation.”
The draft oil law, the letter stated, “lays the foundation for a fresh plundering of Iraq’s strategic wealth and its squandering by foreigners, backed by those coveting power in the regions, and by gangs of thieves and pillagers.”
Capn, you need to get up to speed on Iraqi oil law. You are posting old and outdated news.
Tom, Nathan is not a hypocrite! he is just stupid and can’t tell the difference between what is real and what he makes up in his tiny little mind.
Wonder what the Kurdish provincial law says? Somehow, Kansas, I’ve grave doubts over the revenue being shared as contemplated in the State Department drafted proposed legislation that was to be considered by the Parliament.
Sept 4, 07 is “old news” to Kansas.
He’s apparently too doped up to think straight.
“It is ok. There is nothing wrong with being a sheep.”
Call the WE Editors!
I called Political Mom a sheep!
Last night Apophis told me to look down the barrel of a loaded gun and Tom is upset because I called someone a sheep!
Stop the blog! Shut it down! Call the police!
*Cue music*
It’s the end of the world as we know it…
It’s the end of the world as we know it…
It’s the end of the world as we know it…
Nathan,
Stroke your gun lovingly and leave others alone.
Do you imagine your likely to be accosted and need to use a gun, when falling down in your house and seriously hurting yourself is more likely.
Plenty of people in and around suburbs of Wichita, better neighborhoods aren’t likely to be confronted by criminals with guns.
Someone pulled a gun on a friend at Towne West. But the punk had his posse while doing it, that happened years ago. More bravado than threat to my friend’s life.
I don’t know any more circumstances of criminals with guns out at Towne West.
I wonder if your pushed, shoved or bounced into in a public setting, your reaching for a gun and pointing at someone fast or not.
All your training, regardless. What’s your “sheepiness” in a public setting with guys start to get rowdy.
You can be caught unexpected always believe that! That UPS guy at the door maybe a robber! Someone asks for directions while your pumping gas, gun in your face suddenly.
Scenarios can be thought up but what’s actually real.
A “sniper” Marine husband of my friend who is his wife, won’t let him have guns in the house. I said let him have a shotgun but no. I asked her about public safety. They live in Maryland now, not a familiar location to either of them.
She’s very wary and tries not to go anywhere alone.
She’s no sheep. Most Americans aren’t armed and very brave. They clearly understand the danger in parking lots. Someone knocking on the door, be sure who they are.
If the justice system didn’t fail, the one of the Carr brothers shouldn’t have been out of jail.
VT didn’t recognize the threat of Cho though they had evidence he wasn’t mentally acting properly.
Gun dealer didn’t even ask Cho want he was needing the gun for. The gun dealer said it was odd a college student like him would be buying one.
Didn’t ask Cho, if he needed training at a supervised shooting range.
You had people who can recognize intent, they failed society when Cho was acting nutty.
Nathan,
It’s not about Pmom. It’s about your hypocrisy and self-righteousness.
Try to keep up.
Have a lovely evening; I have things to do.
It appears that Baghdad is playing politics with the Oil Revenues just like Washington D.C. does with it’s policies, imagine that. :)
The Iraqi government officials often fill the “airways” with political eyewash to soothe the non-Kurdish citizens. Most of Iraqi oil reserves are in Kurdistan and this makes the government a bit queasy.
The Kurds, feel justified after years of abuse from Baghdad to set out on their own and establish commercial ventures. In opposition, Baghdad wants to Nationalize oil revenues and control all aspects of production, distribution and revenues.
More with the story below on how a Norwegian Oil Exploration company sees the issue.
“DNO sees no threat to Kurdistan oil deal19 November 2006 (LawkSalih.com)
Norwegian oil producer DNO sees no threat to its output contract in northern Iraq as the Kurdish and central governments tussle for control of oil, the company’s chief executive said yesterday.
“Nobody in central government has told us they are concerned about the legality of these contracts,” Helge Eide told reporters in London.
DNO was the first company to drill for oil in Iraq after the US-led invasion in March 2003. It intends to start output in the country’s north in the first quarter next year under a production-sharing agreement it signed with the Kurdish regional government (KRG), Reuters reported.
But Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain Shahristani has insisted on central control of oil and says he wants to review deals the Kurds have signed with foreign oil companies, including DNO.
DNO has discussed the production agreements with Iraqi government officials and has not been informed of any objections to the contracts, Eide said.
“We have had several meetings with people from central government on these issues and there has been no communication back to us of any problems,” he said.
Like many other oil companies eyeing potentially lucrative future production deals, DNO has a deal with central government to train oil ministry personnel and share technology, Eide said.
cont’d at
http://www.iraqupdate.info/scr/preview.php?article=11920
Millions of dollars funneled into corrupt politicians’ private contractors’ bank accounts is “benefiting the Iraqi people” according to Kansas.
Damn, Kansas. Is there any Bushit you won’t gladly eat?
CapnAmerica,
Why do you care more about the Iraqi’s oil than the Iraqi people?
I think you are the one we need to be worried about.
Millions of dollars funneled into corrupt politicians’ private contractors’ bank accounts is “benefiting the Iraqi people” according to Kansas.
Damn, Kansas. Is there any Bushit you won’t gladly eat?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 14, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Sources Capn.
You make an assertion, now back it up with reliable sources.
Oh, yeah, and thanks for the information from the whoknows.com site dated 19 November 2006, Kansas.
Brilliant.
You mean like the Iraqi former oil minister quoted in the Washington Post:
“Now it looks like . . . the Americans are after oil — they will bring their Exxons and Chevrons and they will control our oil again.”
Or these groups representing thousands if not millions of Iraqis:
“Meanwhile, bitterness was rising from many factions — unions in the oil-rich port city of Basra, petroleum industry experts, Sunni politicians and those loyal to Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr — that the law would allow foreign companies to make off with Iraq’s oil wealth. A group of 419 Iraqi academics, engineers and oil industry experts would later sign an open letter to parliament stating that “it is clear that the government is trying to implement one of the demands of the American occupation.”
Perhaps Capn is thinking that DNO is greasing the palms of Iraqi official and is deliberately delaying any profits to be made.
After building a 26-mile pipeline and sending out a flurry of optimistic press releases over the last three years, Det Norske Oljeselskap AS (DNO.OS), a small Norwegian oil company, is still waiting for permission to open the taps on what could be post-Saddam Iraq’s first foreign-developed oil field.
The hold-up: Iraqi politicians back in Baghdad, a nine-hour drive south of here, have yet to approve a hydrocarbons law laying down the legal framework for foreign investment in the country’s sensitive oil industry. Lawmakers could vote on a version of the law in May but the legislation has already missed a series of deadlines since the U.S.-led invasion four years ago.
DNO’s plight in this remote Kurdish town in northern Iraq underscores one of the thorniest obstacles to jump-starting Iraq’s creaky petroleum industry; most of the oil-rich country is wracked with ethnic and religious violence, making it almost impossible for big international oil companies to work here.
In this peaceful, semi-autonomous Kurdish enclave in the North, a number of small foreign companies like DNO are still waiting for their operations to be officially sanctioned by Iraq’s central government. DNO was among the first to sign a deal with the Kurdish government in 2004 and has spent millions drilling wells and building infrastructure.
But the delay in the oil law has put back DNO’s production start-up, originally expected early this year.
“We have heard so much about DNO’s oil coming on stream, and yet the production start date remains uncertain,” says Alex Munton, an Edinburgh, Scotland-based oil analyst at consultants Wood Mackenzie. “It says a lot about the political and legal challenges of working in Iraq.”
cont’d at
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=44510
‘Bush’s Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq’s Oil’http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045
“Even as Iraq verges on splintering into a sectarian civil war, four big oil companies are on the verge of locking up its massive, profitable reserves, known to everyone in the petroleum industry as “the prize.” “
But if you don’t believe what the Iraqis in Iraq say, maybe you will believe what Hunt Oil is no doubt telling its shareholders: “we inked a great deal with the KURDS, dude.”
Like George Washington Plunkett, they seen their opportunities, and they took ‘em.
If that is the best you can drag up against me, why don’t you go pester Chas, WS Clark, Apophis, Linda, and the countless others who are more vulgar in one day than I have been in over a year?
Posted by: Nathan | September 14, 2007 at 04:30 PM
—————————–
I was vulgar! Hmmm, didn’t know I had it in me. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Kansas posts a link from Rigzone.com “Your gateway to the oil and gas industry!”
Well, no vested interest there. No siree, not a bit.
How many liberals does it take to take on a Nathan? A bunch it seems.
That reminds me of the old light bulb jokes.
Q: How many Lib Dem bloggers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Ten. One to screw it in and 9 to try to take on Nathan.
Q: How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
None. They like to sit in the dark and blame Bush.
OK. In the interest of equal time:
Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; it’s conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom?
Nathan, I think Apophis was wrong to tell you to go look down the barrel of your gun.
I said it. I stood up for something that was wrong on my side.
Now will you? I already know the answer.
Heh, thanks outlander
It appears as if I have a loyal fan club.
I have noticed that there are a few posters that very rarely post here, but when they do it is usually to say something about me.
I’d rather have British and American Oil based companies in there, than Chinese, Russian and French. The latter three still have dirty hands from the “oil for food” scandals.
Oil production is a business and it takes huge financial investment to get it to market. Iraq doesn’t have the infrastructure, the technology nor the capital to do this kind of oil production.
Iraq needs help and they are getting it.
If the Iraqi’s want to change their constitution to outline specific details of oil profit sharing, then it is up to their legislature.
All these Liberal clip clop is much ado about nothing. If the oil deals go through, it will mean many jobs for Iraq and many business in Iraq will benefit. The Iraqi government will have more gold than they know what to do with.
There won’t be a Saddam spending their oil revenue on palaces and weapons systems.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/09/business/main3244774.shtml
Texas Co. Signs Iraq Oil Deal With Kurds
With No National Iraq Oil Law Passed, Kurdistan Region Makes Its Own Rules
DALLAS, Tex., Sept. 9, 2007
(CBS/AP) Texas’ Hunt Oil Co. and Kurdistan’s regional government said they have signed a production-sharing contract for petroleum exploration in the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq, the first such deal since the Kurds passed their own oil and gas law in August.
A Hunt subsidiary, Hunt Oil Co. of the Kurdistan Region, will begin geological survey and seismic work by the end of 2007 and hopes to drill an exploration well in 2008, the parties said in a news release Saturday. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Hunt is a privately-held independent oil company based in Dallas, Texas. A third partner, Impulse Energy Corp., also has a stake in the project.
“We’re very pleased to have the opportunity to be a part of these landmark events by actively participating in the establishment of the petroleum industry,” Ray L. Hunt, Hunt’s CEO, said in a statement.
AND CHECK OUT THIS COINCIDENCE, PURE COINCIDENCE:
Hunt, who is also on the board of Halliburton, has been a key fundraiser for President George W. Bush, who named him to the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.
*****
Yup, nothing to see here. Multi-millionare Texas Bush backer makes multi-billions on the backs of dead American soldiers.
Business as usual under Worst. President. Ever.
Keep polishing that “tin foil” hat Capn. Perhaps one day you can get a magic wand to go along with it.
Kansas writes, “All these Liberal clip clop is much ado about nothing. If the oil deals go through, it will mean many jobs for Iraq and many business in Iraq will benefit. The Iraqi government will have more gold than they know what to do with.”
Apparently he has already forgotten his former orgy of Bush corprophaegia:
We will be greeted as liberators with candy and flowers.
The oil revenues will pay for Iraq reconstruction.
A democratic Iraq will be a giant political counter-weight to Al Qaeda.
We have to hit Al Qaeda in its geographic heart.
Freedom in Iraq will spawn freedom throughout the entire Mideast.
Yup, as previously mentioned, there isn’t apparently any Bush crap Kansas won’t eat.
Keep taking your heavy-duty pain meds, Kansas.
That’s apparently what keeps you in the fantasy-land wherein you dwell.
CapnAmerica,
Will you care what happens to the Iraqi’s or thier oil when we are not there anymore?
“I’d rather have British and American Oil based companies in there, than Chinese, Russian and French.”
Posted by the troll Kansas.
Maybe Kansas can convince them to pass the PSA oil law just because he wants them to? And also convince the oil workers union not to go on strike, if/when the law is passed?
A very good read on the issue.
‘Why Iraqis oppose U.S.-backed oil lawWorkers think foreign firms will take over’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/08/19/IN69RI00G.DTL
“Oil production is a business and it takes huge financial investment to get it to market. Iraq doesn’t have the infrastructure, the technology nor the capital to do this kind of oil production.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 14, 2007 at 05:10 PM
Well now, they did have all those things until Bushco destroyed it all.
Quite a game plan.
According to the New York Times the Kurds were ready to move ahead with a company from the UAE and the rest of the country got all upset because of it…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/world/middleeast/13baghdad.html?ex=1347336000&en=1f45f74c620d1c3c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
“The Sunni Arabs who removed their support for the deal did so, in part, because of a contract the Kurdish government signed earlier with a company based in the United Arab Emirates, Dana Gas, to develop gas reserves.”
Kurdish officials dispute that contention, saying that they are doing their best to work within the Constitution while waiting for the Iraqi Parliament, which always seems to move at a glacial pace, to consider the legislation.
“We reject what some parties say — that it is a step towards separation — because we have drafted the Kurdistan oil law depending on Article 111 of the Iraqi Constitution, which says oil and natural resources are properties of Iraqi people,” said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the Kurdistan Regional Government. “Both Iraqi and Kurdish oil laws depend on that article,” Mr. Abdullah said.
Nathan, I think Apophis was wrong to tell you to go look down the barrel of your gun.
I said it. I stood up for something that was wrong on my side.
Now will you? I already know the answer.
Posted by: political_mom | September 14, 2007 at 05:09 PM
I don’t take it back.
OK then Apophis, why don’t your take your ball and go home?
SORT AND DEPORT
DRAG & BAG
Observations of background info not broadcast by the media.
The following written by Dick Morris … a Democrat and speech writerfor Bill Clinton who knows the Clintons very well.
Polls suggest that the leading attribute attracting voters to Hillary’spresidential candidacy is her “experience,” a virtue which contrasts,presumably, with the lack of it in Senator Barack Obama, her chiefrival. But a close examination of her record as first lady and as NewYork Senator suggests that her experience is largely in the avoidanceof death by scandal. Were it to be captured in a television series, itwould certainly not rise to the level of “Commander In Chief” andprobably not even to that of “West Wing.” It would find its televisedmetaphor in the reality series “Survivor.”
Consider what her experience has been. She burst forth on the nationalstage with two tasks in her husband’s administration: The selection ofthe nation’s first female Attorney General and the design and adoptionof a comprehensive program of health care reform. Her efforts todesignate an Attorney General hamstrung the new Administration formonths as two nominees, in succession, had to withdraw their names fromconsideration. Finally, at the eleventh hour, she urged her husband toappoint Florida’s Janet Reno, a selection Bill Clinton would come todescribe as “my worst mistake.” In the bargain, she suggested theappointment of Lani Guanier as head of the civil rights division, a jobShe was shortly forced to relinquish when her radical views becameknown, another embarrassment for the new Administration. Her otherselections for the Justice Department, the White House staff and theTreasury were her three law partners: Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, andWilliam Kennedy, appointments which culminated in one imprisonment, onesuicide, and one forced resignation.
Her other assignment, health care reform, collapsed in such a debaclethat it cost her party control of both houses of Congress, a fate fromwhich it took twelve years to recover.
Beyond these initial tasks, her main focus in the Administration wasscandal defense. From Jennifer Flowers to Whitewater to the FBI fileaffair to the travel office firings to her Commodities Market winningsto the missing Rose Law Firm billing records to the Paula Jonesscandal, she orchestrated the Administration’s defense against scandalallegations. In the process, she almost got herself indicted forperjury and obstruction of justice.
And her advice in handling these matters was uniformly bad. It wasHillary who counseled Bill not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit evenwhen the plaintiffs called for neither an apology nor payment and shewho stonewalled the release of Whitewater documents even when it led tothe appointment of a special prosecutor. When the prosecutor whoseappointment she had caused heard about the depositions in the PaulaJones case she had refused to settle, the Monica Lewinsky scandaleventuated.
During the period of 1995-1997, the period of the Clinton Administration’s greatest achievements, she was nowhere to be seen,focusing instead on writing It Takes A Village, and on dodging criminalinquiry. She did not participate in the formulation of a balancedbudget, nor in welfare reform legislation, nor in the reduction ofcrime that stemmed from the 1994 anti-crime bill.
Her experience continued when her race for the Senate and its aftermathbecame, in turn, mired in scandal. The pardon of the FALN terroriststo get Latino support in New York, that of the New Square Hassidim toget Hillary Jewish support, and the clemency shown toward Hillary’sbrothers’ clients to get them financial support caused her ratings toplunge to their lowest level in March of 2001 as she took her Senateseat. The theft of White House gifts, almost $200,000 of which had tobe returned, did nothing to endear her to the electorate.
Since then, Hillary has done nothing of note in the Senate except tovote for the Iraq War, a position she has since disavowed, and to winthe applause of her colleagues for not being partisan and obstinate.Her main efforts have been directed at raising massive sums of moneyfor herself and her colleagues and making a lot writing and selling hermemoirs. Her efforts on behalf of New York after 9-11 have beenexposed as largely derivative of those of her colleague, the moreeffective Chuck Schumer.
She has passed no important legislation, except for twenty billsrenaming post offices and courthouses and congratulating AlexanderHamilton, Shirley Chisolm, Harriet Tubman, the American Republic, andthe Syracuse men’s and women’s Lacrosse team on their respectiveaccomplishments.
Is this the experience upon which her candidacy is based? Did I leavesomething out?
Tony I think you got all of Hannity’s and Drudge’s talking points downloaded just fine… LOL
well the truth is the truth, do you dummycrates really wish to go through all the lies and deception again? if it is not bad enough right now just wait. I have yet to see a decent canidate on either side and it is starting to scarte the hell out of me..
scare
Well, if you guys would stop trying to pin Bill’s malfunctions on Hillary, and get facts straight, it might make a little difference… Myself, I like
Bill Richardson…. One heck of a nice guy!!
“Tony I think you got all of Hannity’s and Drudge’s talking points downloaded just fine… LOL”
Posted by: Chas.
That was easy for Tony. He copy/pasted a column written by Dick Morris, who writes for Faux, and appears on Hannity’s, and other Faux shows.
Talk about your opportunistic parasite, Dick Morris fits in nicely with the “Facts No! Network”.
Hillary will be our next president, and why? Because she has the ability to lead us where we need to go after the disaster that is King George the Bumbler.
well the truth is the truth, do you dummycrates really wish to go through all the lies and deception again?if it is not bad enough right now just wait.Posted by: Tony Rizo | September 14, 2007 at 09:30 PM
Hillary just scares the hell out of you conservatives, huh? I have to laugh when conservatives talk about lies and deception considering who’s in the white house now.
It is hard to beleive that among America’s population of 300 million, we can’t assemble a better group of presidential candidates than the pathetic collection of pandering and bloviating simpletons currently on dispaly.
If you thought we couldn’t possibly do worse than the current amateur in the White House, look at what the Dems and GOP are offering up for ‘08.
A military coup is looking better all the time.
But the military are all out of the country!! LOL
It’s okay, Chas, we can deputize them militia fellas and ya got the State Defence Forces. Heck, there are more than enough gun toting able bodies to take out the trash. hehehehe
Well, its about that time….
Good Nite, Good Luck, and God Bless, whatever you conceive God to be!!
Nite all!!
Nathan–
Anyone who truly cared about the Iraqis wouldn’t have destroyed their country with a full-scale military invasion.
I think Bush is a war-criminal who should be arrested and tried in The Hague.
But that doesn’t mean I want our country to be invaded and occupied so that we can get one corrupt and immoral president out of office . . .
What’s best for the Iraqis is best for us: do something different, international (regional) peacekeepers, follow the recommendations of the Iraq Security Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Study_Group_Report