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Stay tuned, we will soon treat you to another episode of the Nathan and Chas show, which will be followed by the Kansas and Cosmos show. Which will later be followed by the Kansas and chorus of people shouting at each other educational program. Why would you wnat to tune in anywhere else???
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Sorry, did not mean to turn this into my own headlines thread, but the inspiration hits you sometimes. Night, night.
Walnut Valley Festival is where I want to be! Not here in some remote northern technical university!
One last thing: We are not safer post 9/11 – the main authors of the 9/11 report:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702050.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Steven, I agree. The blog turns into a circus at night. Thankfully, it’s usually past my bedtime.
It’s easy to tell which bloggers can’t find girlfriends/wives.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR2007091000248.html
Say, has anyone done a check up on the Marine for this injury since his tour in the combat area?
How BOUT them Cowboys????
“Steven, I agree. The blog turns into a circus at night. Thankfully, it’s usually past my bedtime.”
Ditto.
I cant even stand to scroll through the threads to see what I missed. It seems that now, all I miss are 300 posts saying “f you, no F YOU”.
Yawwwwwwn……
I try to time my posts so Kansas and his enablers arent here. Even in his manic states, he has to sleep SOME time. And the enablers?
Yawwwwwn…..
I see the liberal gossip and sewing bee circle is up early.
let the trolling begin…
Time to just walk on by.
What, again is the penalty for treason? It is little wonder that the dems want wetbacks and felons to have the right to vote.
180*
Democrats woo Hispanics on immigrationSun Sep 9, 2007 10:20PM EDTEmail | Print | Digg | Reprints | Single Page | Recommend (1) [-] Text [+]
1 of 1Full SizeFeatured Broker sponsored linkFree $50,000 Practice Account.By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
CORAL GABLES, Florida (Reuters) – Hillary Clinton and other Democratic presidential hopefuls wooed Hispanic voters on Sunday with pledges to back a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and attacks on Republican “demagoguery” on the issue of immigration.
All the 2008 Democratic presidential contenders at a debate broadcast in Spanish on Univision, the country’s largest Spanish-language television network, said they would push quickly once in the White House for a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws.
Most of the candidates condemned what they said were Republican efforts to demonize illegal immigrants and use the issue of immigration to divide Americans.
“It is being demagogued and I believe it is being used to bash immigrants and that must stop,” Clinton, a New York senator, said of the debate on how to handle the country’s estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who would be the first Hispanic U.S. president, said, “I object to the dehumanizing of people that want to be part of the American dream.”
He and Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd are the two fluent Spanish speakers in the Democratic field.
“The politics of fear are the most dangerous politics in our country, and those people who deal with fear and frighten the American people on this issue ought to be dealt with accordingly,” Dodd said at the University of Miami debate, billed as a discussion of issues crucial to Hispanic voters.
Hispanics are the country’s biggest and fastest-growing minority group, accounting for about 15 percent of the population and at least 14 million potential voters in 2008.
President George W. Bush won 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004, but Democrats see a growing opportunity to win over Hispanics alienated by the hard-line Republican stance on immigration. Continued…
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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0927056520070910?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&pageNumber=1
On the Eve of 9/11 lets have a little history lesson.
How far back does our nations problems with radical Islam go???
Heckler, I’ll likely fail your quiz, but an incident which readily comes to mind is the so-called “Iranian Revolution”, when the Shah was deposed, and the Embassy was seized by the students, resulting in the hostages being held for all that time, during the Carter administration.
Hmm, I wonder if you pro-raghead terrorist, anti-war types had your info flagged for future reference while posting over at daily kos? hehehehehe
180*
“As an organization their heart is in the right place. I’ve never had any problem with the CIA.” — Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, June 2, 2006.Hat Tip to Stu Piddy, and cross-posted at the Francis L. Holland Blog.
Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, owner of the DailyKos website, now admits that he spent six months in the employ of the US Central Intelligence Agency in 2001. In a one-hour interview on June 2, 2006 interview at the Commonwealth Club, Moulitsas, also known as “Kos,” admitted that he was a CIA employee and would have “no problem working for them” in the present:
QUESTION: Not long ago, liberals loathed the Central Intelligence Agency as the enemy of democratic governments and they installed dictators around the world, and these days you read the papers and people on the Left are rallying to the defense of the CIA and are indignant when the CIA is politicized. How did this come about, that suddenly liberals are championing the CIA:
MARKOS’ ANSWER: I don’t know. You know I.
QUESTION: Do you find it stranger or ironic, this sudden love for the CIA?
MARKOS’ ANSWER: You know . . . coughs . . . I think a lot of the people that did have problems with the CIA, I mean it was a very vocal minority.
[CONTINUED BELOW]http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=17528
VT
You’re about 200 years too late.(I’m not necessarily talking about our “current” set of problems).
On the Eve of 9/11 lets have a little history lesson.
How far back does our nations problems with radical Islam go???
Posted by: Heckler | September 10, 2007 at 09:30 AM
That’s easy. It goes back to the first terrorist attack in 1993.
Previous attacks against the United States like the hostage crisis in Iran was not related to world terrorism by Al Qaeda.
And why did it start in 1993?
Because the US continued to keep US troops on Saudi Arabian soil in violation of previous promises (to only keep them there so long as Iraq posed a threat).
Simply living up to our promises could have de-fused the entire situation that has now grown much harder to manage.
You can’t have empire without making enemies.
The resident racist (Gul Asshat) asks why leftists are suddenly championing the CIA.
Simple.
As bad as the CIA were and are, they are not freaking IDIOTS like the Bush administration.
It shows how insane BushCo. has gotten that leftists are hoping that the CIA can help impose a little sanity on these loose cannons running our country.
Worst.President.Possible.
Heckler, you’re going for the Barbary Pirates?
Capn
The correct answer might make your head explode. It just doesnt fit with you HateAmericaFirst world view.
I know, Heck, you want to re-write history to make Al Qaeda the modern Saladin and America is the crusading knights with crosses on their shields.
Listen, I grew up hating and fearing the Soviet Union. At any minute, they could have launched a nuclear attack. We kids did duck and cover drills. Everybody “knew” that the Soviets were bent on world domination and determined to destroy freedom and our way of life.
Now idiots like you come along to tell us it was REALLY THE MUSLIMS ALL ALONG!
Sorry, I’ve lived in irrational fear long enough.
The correct answer might make your head explode. It just doesnt fit with you HateAmericaFirst world view.
Posted by: Heckler | September 10, 2007 at 10:01 AM
Do tell, do tell. The suspense is killing…
forgot the link
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
Damn, lost the whole post.
exerpts
When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the “Dey of Algiers”–an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.
Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled “through the medium of war.” He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.
In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Not long after Jefferson’s inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
OMGosh, VT, you’re right. Scare-monger Heckler IS going back to the Barbary pirates.
From the link:
Ellison’s use of Jefferson’s Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten – the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic “Barbary” states.
Yeah, never mind the Christian pirates who operated in the same waters with equal ferocity–men like Englishman John Ward and German Simon Danser.
Or how about that good Englishman pirate Captain Henry Morgan who was particularly fond of torturing Spanish captives by hanging them from their genitals until they ripped from the unfortunate man’s body, heigh ho.
“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing / Drink deep or taste not Pierian spring” Pope
The Bible or the Quran can be used equally to justify war and violence.
If you don’t want people to attack you, don’t station troops in their country.
Duh.
Capn
The point is this. They were attacking us before we even had a constitution. Why? It didnt have anything to do with oil, just as it does not today.
They attacked us because we are Infidels. We do not bow to them or believe as them.
Jefferson’s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, “From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country’s battles in the air, on land and sea.”
It wasn’t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.
Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a “visionary” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
It wasn’t a “Muslim problem” you dumbass.
It was a piracy problem. We had the same problem right here in the Americas too (somewhat earlier) and they had to be put down the same way.
Where do you think the “halls of Montezuma” are? Uh . . . Mexico?
If you really want to educate yourself about this time in history, read Christopher Lloyd’s “Corsairs of the Barbary Coast.”
Capn
“It wasn’t a “Muslim problem” you dumbass.”
Ahh, civil discourse, Capn’s strong point.
In the “pirates” own words.”In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.” ”
Unless of course you don’t take them at their own word Capn.
Self serving justification and total bullshit.
Christians in Spain began The Inquisition based on stamping out infidel Muslims and Jews.
Christians in the US also justified slavery for many decades after the founding of the country on Biblical grounds.
We justified killing red Indians on Biblical grounds (”savage heathens”).
So, I guess we should declare war on ourselves because of something that we said 200 years ago.
Religious justification historically is just a fig-leaf or a pretext for a people to do what they want anyway.
Look at Bush in Iraq, using the quasi-religious belief in “freedom” as justification to bring another country under the boot heel of American military domination.
Capn
Don’t hurt your back with all those gymnastics you’re going through.
“quasi-religious belief in “freedom” ”
Spoken like a true Left Winger.
You must truly hate our constitution ehh Capn?
The Quran says that “he who slays another has slain the whole world, and he who saves another has saved the whole world.”
You can use it to declare war or to declare peace, just like our Bible.
Heckler–
Get off it. You know I believe in freedom. The thing is that Bush said the right thing and did they wrong thing.
Truly educational.
———————————Look at Bush in Iraq, using the quasi-religious belief in “freedom” as justification to bring another country under the boot heel of American military domination.
CapnAmerica 09-10-2007 WeBlog———————————-
Insight into the heart of a true Leftist.
Heckler that is a good piece of research and very informative. Certainly explains the real agenda of the radical Muslims. We are the enemy. That is why they attacked. Until we as a nation accept that fact we are just spinning our wheels. The peace at any price crowd are running the show now. Hope it’s not to late to educate them.
“Heckler–
Get off it. You know I believe in freedom.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 10, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Freedom for Big Government to steal from the fortunate and give to the lazy…
For the sake of argument, Heckler, let’s say you are correct and that Islamists have been our enemies for over 200 years. They hate our guts because of our failure to follow their religion.
What plan to you propose to deal with these alleged “fanatics”? Must we kill every last one of them and all of their progeny? If so, won’t that amount to a fairly large job? Isn’t it more realistic to consider that there is a smaller number of jihadists that we need to concern ourselves with?
In case it is not obvious, I am very troubled by what appears your sweeping generalization about a fairly large religous group. Maybe John Dean did have something about you guys and Adorno’s Authoritarian personality.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide. Very few are radical extremists, just as very few Christians are of the Paul Hill – Fred Phelps variety.
Islam is not the enemy, it is al Qaeda and those that support them.
Unfortunately, those that support them include our supposed allies, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
The truth of the matter is that Saddam Hussein was as much an enemy of al Qaeda as we are. Now, we have gift wrapped a training ground for them in Iraq.
Heck of a job, Georgie.
WAIT A MINUTE!
Reich-wingers, get a grip on your fear.
Why did we spend all that time hating and fearing the old Soviet Union, who couldn’t subdue Chechnya btw, it the real enemy was GASP! Muslims who are ordered by their Holy Book to kill Americans?
And all that time . . . from 1900 to 1970 while we fought two world wars, where were the wild-eyed Muslims who believed they had to kill us to practice their faith?
The hostage crisis in Iran was a direct result of Operation Ajax in which the US and British gov’t’s staged a coup to reinstate the Shah (King) over a democratically elected Prime Minister so we could privatize the oilfields.
The bombing in Lebanon (under Reagan) was a direct result of military intervention to prop up an unelected minority Christian gov’t in Lebanon against the democratically elected majority gov’t.
Since then, it’s been Al Qaeda attacks based on the presence of US troops in the mid-east.
It has absolutely nothing to do with religion per se. It’s power politics with a religious veneer as always . . .
For those who haven’t read the Eagle today, they published this story from the Chicago Tribune on page 5A. Interesting.
“The differences between liberals and conservatives may run deeper than how they feel about welfare reform or the progress of the Iraq war: Researchers reported Sunday that their brains may actually work differently.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-politicalbrain_bothsep10,0,7031258.story
Steven in no way do I feel that the entire Muslim religion is at fault but I do think that the moderates are going to have to step up and say enough. They have to take over the radicals and control them. If they don’t then the entire Muslim faith is our enemy like it or not.
How have you “controlled” Fred Phelps, Ksgrm?
Ivory tower liberals do not realise that this Clash of Civilisations thingy is going to be a zero-sum game. The Turkish PM recently said that moderate Islam is myth, there is only Islam.
Winston Churchill said that muslims are either fawning at your feet or reaching for your throat. we in the west will have to kick these muslims repeatedly in the teeth until they are back at our feet. we will have to mete out the same treatment to the aztlan cretins from south of the border, there will be no other options.
180*
Here’s your buddy and pal, Heckler and Kgrm.
He says what you only think.
How’s it sound to you?
Modern day phrenology linkainks. The article didn’t post any specific questions that were asked of the subjects either.
I wonder how many “Do you beat your wife questions” they asked?
Or how about “Do you like eating dead animal flesh?”
hocus pocus – junk science
Hmmmmmmm, Dukat, Turkey is one of our prime allies in that part of the world.
When should we start bombing them?
Steven Davis
Fanatics is the key word here, I think that we agree on that.
What did we do in the case of the Barbary pirates? We pounded on them for 14 years before they left us alone. Likewise I believe the only solution is to pound on Al Quaeda and it’s related radical elements until they get the message.
Look at Israel. They only times they live in relative peace is when they pound the living crap out of those who would drive them into the sea. Appeasement is seen as weakness to their enemies and brings anything but peace.
As to the large majority of moderates in the Muslim world, they fear the radical islamists more than they fear us. If it comes down to taking sides in a shooting war who’s side do you think they would fall on? Something to think about when you discount the strength of the minority radicals.
Well Linda I guess all discussions are over. We are wired differently – born either a liberal or conservative. If you believe that I have some swampland in Arizona to sell you. If true there would never be a liberal turned conservative or conservative turned liberal. What a study! I bet they were working under a government grant.
Is Fred planning an terrorist attack?
The Devil decided it was time for another plague so he went to God to work out the details.
“All right,” the Lord said, “I’ll allow 10,000 to die by plague but no more.”
“Fine,” said the Devil.
After the plague had ravaged Europe for a couple of years, the death toll neared 100,000.
God summoned the Devil. “I told you. Only 10 thousand dead by plague!”
“And I obeyed,” said the Devil. “Only 10 thousand died in the plague. . . . . FEAR killed the rest.”
I think we should pay for an airline ticket to ship CapnAmerica to a Muslim country where he can spend time in one of their wonderful prison systems and see how the peaceful religion of Muhammad really is.
Or perhaps send him to Iran with a “Muhammad is a freak” T-shirt and see if he can dog sniper attacks. You know, in that Iranian land where free speech is allowed.
Or perhaps send him to a madrassa in Saudi Arabia with a Islam sucks t-shirt and see how long Capn’s freedom of speech is tolerated. :)
Paul Hill did – he shot and killed a doctor because he believed that God would sanction the murder of a doctor because he performed abortions.
How is that different that a Muslim terrorist blowing up a night club?
How have you “controlled” Fred Phelps, Ksgrm?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 10, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Cap you have made a large leap here. Christianity and Fred Phelps have little in common. The majority of Christians have repeatedly told him how wrong he is.
If the moderates and conservatives of the Muslim religion would do that then they could garner some credibility. Do you see where I am going with this?
Fred Phelps and I have nothing in common and I have denounced him repeatedly.
Send capn to zimbabwe where he and his family can experience firsthand the the end result of his insane and evil ideology.
180*
“send him to a madrassa in Saudi Arabia”
So why does George W Bush hold hands with Price Bandar of Saudi Arabia?
“How is that different that a Muslim terrorist blowing up a night club?”
Posted by: WSClark | September 10, 2007 at 11:27 AM
About 999 lives.
So why does George W Bush hold hands with Price Bandar of Saudi Arabia?
Posted by: WSClark | September 10, 2007 at 11:29 AM
So grease eating chimps like yourself can ask questions about Arabic culture WSClark.
Interesting article, Linda… I have suggested several times over the years, that it would be interesting to find a way to check the differences between the Left and the Right, when it comes to the use/non-use of abstract thinking… My hypothesis being that many of the Right Wing do not seem to handle abstract thinking as well as many of the Left wing…
My problem has been finding the right kind of “testing procedure” to affirm or deny my hypothesis…
The test in this article would be one form of test, but I am not sure that it is applicable to the idea of abstract vs. concrete thinking processes…
Capn
“It has absolutely nothing to do with religion per se. It’s power politics with a religious veneer as always . . . ”
Does it matter? If even ONE leader can convince 10 million to fight based upon the supposed teachings of a “prophet” does it really matter if they are fighting for the leaders political aspirations or for the words of the “prophet”?
You have to fight the ideology either way. You’re splitting hairs on a gnats back to make things fit your world view. Watch those trible back flips.
WS Clark,
It seems that two thirds of the wonderful secular Turks see US as their countires greatest threat. Turkey is a basket case and they are about as helpful to us as they were to Germany in WW1.
US Viewed as Turkey’s ‘Greatest Threat’
by Jonathan Bell
Nearly two-thirds of the Turkish public named the United States as their country’s greatest future threat, a recent Pew Global Attitudes Project survey has revealed – the highest percentage of any Middle Eastern or Islamic country polled.
The survey, which was also conducted in Palestine, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, Morocco and Israel, asked an open-ended question: “What country or groups pose the greatest threat to (survey country) in the future?” Turkey was the only country in which a majority of respondents pointed to the US.
Turkey, a US NATO ally and recipient of US and NATO security guarantees, also harbors the second-most negative attitudes towards the US, with 83 percent holding an “unfavorable” opinion of it – up 29 percent since 2002, the biggest drop in public opinion of the US in recent years.
Eighty-six percent of Palestinians express an unfavorable opinion of the US, the most negative response from a Middle Eastern country.
Dr. Emre Erdogan, a political scientist and founding partner of Infakto Research Workshop, says that this is “a result of intensifying terrorist activities of the PKK” – an armed militant group founded in the 1970s also known as the Kurdistan Workers Party – which has found increasing support since the Iraq war began.
The Turkish people “perceive the US as responsible for the worsening situation,” said Erdogan in a World Public Opinion (WPO)/Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) analysis of the Pew results.
The “increasing terrorist and political activity of the PKK” is seen to be “under direct supervision of the Northern Iraq Administration and the US,” and the Turkish media “continuously present evidence for this [US-PKK] collaboration,” said Erdogan.
According to a 2005 Infakto poll, 71 percent of Turks think that “the West has helped separatist groups in Turkey gain strength,” and a Pew 2007 survey found that 79 percent of Turks oppose “US-led efforts to fight terrorism”.
“[T]his intolerance and antipathy towards the PKK became converted to the perception of the US as the major enemy of the country,” Erdogan said. “Before the invasion of Iraq, the worst enemy of the country was stated as Greece or Armenia… rather than the US.”
The 2005 Infakto poll also found that 66 percent think that “Western countries want to divide and break Turkey like they divided and broke the Ottoman Empire in the past,” an idea that Steven Kull, director of PIPA and editor for WPO, found “surprising”.
“[The] Turks are very concerned that the Kurds are going to leave and want to gain independence,” Kull told IPS, but the suggestion that “the US is intentionally seeking to divide [Turkey] surprised me…the US has a commitment to protect Turkey from aggression, and has never threatened to [directly] attack Turkey, unlike Greece, which is why I find this particularly striking.”
Dissatisfaction with US foreign policy is not only prevalent in Turkey. A January 2007 Gallup poll of US citizens found that 56 percent of respondents were dissatisfied with the current role of the US in the world – up from the 51 percent who shared that view in 2006 – and not only do majorities of US citizens see the world as more dangerous, but large numbers attribute that to the George W. Bush administration’s foreign policy.
A Chicago Council on Global Affairs poll found that 69 percent of US citizens support Washington’s involvement in world affairs, reflecting the trend of greater support for US involvement since the attacks of 9/11, but a February 2007 Gallup poll showed that only 15 percent of US citizens believe the US should take “the leading role” in solving international problems – 58 percent said the US should “take a major role but not the leading role.”
The Pew survey found that 81 percent of Turks dislike “American ideas about democracy,” 83 percent dislike “American ways of doing business,” and 68 percent dislike “American music, movies and television,” statistics that have all increased by at least 22 percent in the last five years.
Erdogan commented that, before, Turks might dislike the US government but they still appreciated its culture, whereas now there is an “emerging antipathy” towards US citizens and their life style, with 77 percent saying they held unfavorable views of US citizens.
(Inter Press Service)
Source
I found the article on the study interesting and thought others would too. I know most thinking people no matter their political persuasion don’t jump to conclusions such as, “We are wired differently – born either a liberal or conservative,” from reading an article in a newspaper. I also know not everyone finds it necessary to post negative or sarcastic comments on an article they may not have found interesting. But you can always count on some, can’t you!?
For sure, Linda…
Linda,Great link, but not particularly surprising. Of course Liberals are quicker, smarter, and more adaptable.
That’s proven time after time on these blogs, lol!
LOL XXX
“So grease eating chimps like yourself can ask questions about Arabic culture WSClark.”
Hmmmmmmmmmm…………. and this is from the poster that complains about ad hominem attacks from the Left?
Interesting.
And, by the way, Troll, I KNOW why they hold hands – the question was in reference to SAUDI ARABIA.
Christ.
Hey Gul,You forgot your 180* thingie.
Referring to the article: if we are wired to be either conservative or liberal, then why bother posting your ideas to someone who is wired to think they are totally ludicrous?
I think there is some susceptibility to change which is why we all try so hard to change the mind of the other poster.
There have been a few notable “conversions” in the entertainment industry as well as inpolitics but it is indeed rare.
Looks like it safe to go back to Opinion Line, the troll has moved here.
yes WSClark, you already know the answer, because I told you in another thread awhile back.
Poor memory or just belligerently anal?
“because I told you in another thread awhile back.”
Copy and paste, Troll, because I do not recall asking you (or anyone else) any other time.
As for the personal attack – aren’t you the one that complains about the unprovoked attacks from the Left?
“They have to take over the radicals and control them. If they don’t then the entire Muslim faith is our enemy like it or not.”
Agree that moderate Muslims need to help with this problem and I suspect they would want to.
If we have to consider every Muslim an enemy, we are talking about 1.84 billion people in the world today.
http://www.islamicpopulation.com/
It might take a few centuries to find and kill all of them. I don’t know about you all, but I hope my great-great grandchildren can find something better to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSt2r54DPY Fricking hilarius
Okay Clark, then you just have a poor memory.
I understand your situation of limited capacity then. :)
Steven: My program schedule is messed up! Wasn’t this show suppoed to be on later?
Interesting study Lindinks. I would have thought there would have been a curvilinear relationship between ideology and flexibility: A “U” shaped relationship with being on the extreme right or left would have been associated with greater inflexibility.
I will look up the authors to see what I can find.
Yes, Rage, it was. We’ll have to ask our “stars” to come back later. You guys (our stars) could listen to the congressional testimony, ya know.
tivo brother rage, tivo
I looked up David Amodio, one of the authors cited in the Lindainks newspaper stories. Dr. Amodio is in the Psych Dept at New York University. He has published in a number of top tier APA journals.
This pdf sets out the foundation of his studies on brain function and social cognition.
http://www.psych.nyu.edu/amodiolab/Amodio_&_Frith_(2006).pdf
I think it is unfounded to dismiss the work of this man reflexively. You may want to watch that conservative rigidity.
Well Linda I guess all discussions are over. We are wired differently – born either a liberal or conservative. If you believe that I have some swampland in Arizona to sell you. If true there would never be a liberal turned conservative or conservative turned liberal. What a study! I bet they were working under a government grant.
Did anyone read the article fully? Probably not.
43 people is not a big basis to make any claim, but it is the growing standard used by many researchers.
“Extreme conservatives could be really rigid,” she said. “Moderates should be pretty flexible. But if we go all the way to the left, they may look a lot like the extreme right — rigid in their ideas.”
Let the trolling and flaming against me commence since the neoliberalists enjoy such activities.
But, Steven, those who are most rigid will need another few months to finish their thinking and continue the good work they may have started. You’re asking them to move too quickly!
I thought your opening posts were inspired! Fun too. lol
but it does correlate with a study of children.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060326/ai_n16173466
From the schoolkids article, we could then assume that the stereotypical school yard bully grows up to be a liberal while the whinny skinny kid who gives up his lunch money at the slightest taunt is the conservative.
So politics is the whinny kids revenge!
Many Muslims view their religion as the continuation of Abrahamaic religion. So their view that all should convert or face the wrath of Allah, may not differ too far from Southern Baptists’ stand of praying for the conversion of Jews in order for them to be saved.
But, but, but, aren’t bullies the most insecure kids of them all?
Praying for someone to convert and forcing them to convert or die is two different things. If Muslims want to pray for non-Muslims to convert, I do not have any issue with it. Forcing someone to convert or die I do have an issue.
As noted by several posters, moderate and other Muslims do not condemn or take a stance against their more militant brethen. That is a tacit show of support. Once they start actively opposing their militant groups, then I will believe them when they tell me they do not support the jihadists. Osama wants all Americans dead or converted to Islam.
“Okay Clark, then you just have a poor memory.”
Sorry, Troll, I have never had this discussion with you. You must be thinking someone else.
Or you’re just full of crap.
Or both.
To those wingers that want to send me to a muslim country to see how’d I’d like it,
hey, Jeenyouses, I lived in Malaysia for three years, a predominately Muslim country. I heard the call to prayer five times a day. I worked with muslims, ate with muslims, my landlord was a muslim physician. My office was in Shah Alam which boasts the biggest mosque in Asia.
OMGosh, I walked among THEM and lived to tell about it!
You people saying that Islam wants to eradicate Christians like Hitler did Jews don’t know shit from shinola when it comes to Islam. You’re very good at telling muslims what THEY BELIEVE. Why don’t you let them tell you what they believe some time.
Clark–
There can be no doubt that Kansas is indeed full of crap.
Clark — Maybe Troll is really Gul Dukat 180* LOL That seems to be the poster that attempted to answer your question earlier…
Hmmmmmmm
‘A Lie, Repeated Often Enough, Becomes “Truth” ‘http://www.desmogblog.com/a-lie-repeated-often-enough-becomes-truth
“Dr. Norbert Schwarz has found that the harder you try to dispel a myth (eg. that the international consensus about climate change is somehow in doubt), the more you contribute to its impact, merely by the repetition….The Washington Post speculated that this tendency might explain the enduring belief in the United States that Saddam Hussein and Iraq are somehow associated with the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, although no evidence of a connection has ever been produced.
Similarly, this phenomenon can explain the effectiveness of the campaign to deny climate change. No matter how many times we prove that the leading quibblers are people of little scientific expertise or that they are directly or indirectly in the employ of Exxon Mobil and other fossil fuel companies, a certain portion of the population will still remember the “debate” but forget the factual fine points.
This also fits well with Susan Bales’ research on framing, which demonstrates that the first person to “frame” an argument most often succeeds in capturing the public and that changing a frame is extraordinarily difficult.”
More, and links to WaPo, and Bales’ research, at link.
The number 180.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180_%28number%29
I am getting tired of you, Chas!
I have had just about enough of YOUR SICK TWISTED GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
180*
Bush thinks he’ll make money giving speeches after his Presidency ends (like Bill Clinton).
hahahahahahahah
yes! You were right WSClark, the conversation was with the anal retentive CapnAmerica. Sorry, I get you two confused! :D
What I posted in response to the CapnAmerica.
“It’s a sign of respect in many Arab societies to hold hands while talking and walking with someone.The classic Saudi way of greetng is to give 4 kisses.One on the left cheek and 3 on the right cheek. This apply to both sexes (male to male; female to female) As for the elders, one way of showing respect is to kiss the right hand and the forehead aside from the kisses on the cheeks. It is very common for male friends to hold hands in public but this doesn’t necessarily mean they have special relationship”
“It is very common for male friends to hold hands in public…”
What’s it mean when they bump shoes?
The close timing of troll “Khan” and “Gul Dukat” (Star Trek) is just a coincidence.
Posted by: Kansas | September 10, 2007 at 04:41 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/09/iraqis-do-not-s.html#comment-82254713
Posted by: Gul Dukat | September 10, 2007 at 04:44 PM
‘A Lie, Repeated Often Enough, Becomes “Truth” ‘That’s why we were treated to the Al-Quida Iraq line, just like bush in his leadup to the invasion, Iraq, Al-quida, Al-Quida, Iraq, still has many republicans confuse to this day!
Same bet to you cosmos. $5000 dollar bet, in which Phillip Brownlee gets half for doing the research to prove that Gul Dukat is not me (Kansas.) You pay me $5000.00 after I win the bet and I give half to Phillip Brownlee for doing the research, including find the MAC ID of the routers that posted the messages.
Lightweights and conspiracy driven Liberal chimps is what we have here folks.
Cosmos,
I am also tired of your SICK TWISTED GAMES!!! But, I thank you for not clogging up this thread with worthless links to try and support the nonsensical theory of “manmade global warming”.
180*
My My — G D is certainly testy today… very testy!!
Troll Kansas, aka KHAN, aka Republican, aka ‘blank’, etc,
Do you have a reading problem??? Learn the meaning of the word “coincidence”. My post had no “?”, or “/sarcasm off”.
yeah yeah cosmos…
cajones detector>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(no signal when pointed at cosmos)
“Sorry, I get you two confused! :D”
So, what was with the chimp comment? You are the one that constantly complains about ad hominem attacks from the Left, so why is it okay for you to make unprovoked personal slurs?
So, what was with the chimp comment? You are the one that constantly complains about ad hominem attacks from the Left, so why is it okay for you to make unprovoked personal slurs?
Posted by: WSClark | September 10, 2007 at 05:17 PM
chimps don’t count when it comes to ad hominem.
Troll Kansas, aka KHAN, aka Republican, aka ‘blank’, etc,
I do not care whether you are also Gul Dukat.
And Phillip Brownlee would never agree to your stupid bet.
‘EU parliament told of “irrefutable” evidence of global warming’http://www.eupolitix.com/EN/News/200709/34e8b78f-5592-4fb3-a150-57fa628c9c57.htm
“Climate change is an “unintended” side effect of society, a top expert on global warming told the European parliament.
At the same time, global warming poses the “greatest threat” to the world, Hans Joachim Schellnhuber told a news conference on Monday.
This theory was disputed by some influential figures until a short time ago but recent scientific studies have proven “beyond doubt” the existence of global warming, said Schellnhuber, principle advisor on climate change to German chancellor Angela Merkel….Efforts to tackle the problem, he said, were not only scientifically justified but also “economically and ethically imperative”.
He said the United Nations had estimated that 90 per cent of global warming was man-made.
“The evidence is irrefutable. To illustrate the significance of all this, I would say you would not enter a plane if you were told there was a 90 per cent chance of it crashing.” ”
‘Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber CBE’http://www.pik-potsdam.de/institute/director/cv
“chimps don’t count when it comes to ad hominem.”
Then don’t complain about personal attacks anymore, Troll. Don’t complain when folks call you troll, etc. Don’t complain when you are accused of nic switching.
Just STFU when it comes to complaining about what others post.
Your supposed “civility” on the blog was just a sham.
Deal with it, chump.
Want a banana Clarkie? I’ll peel it for you. :)
Let me see… “Chimps” are extremely closely related to “Monkeys” “Monkey” used as a negative comment, is climed by many to have racial overtones… I think if I was Clark, I would be totally livid, given the number of posts where Kansas/Khan/etc., has used that nomenclature…
Chorus does not justify climate prophecies
Date: July 7 2007
Michael Duffy
http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2007/07/06/1183351452273.htmlArmstrong and Green rated the methodology used by the panel against 89 principles of good forecasting derived from years of research. They found that the panel report breached 72 of those principles. They concluded that the forecasts the weather was likely to change in many negative ways were worthless.
What are some of the main principles of forecasting? One involves the notion, so popular among orthodoxy advocates, of consensus. While consensus might say something about testable scientific theories, it says nothing about forecasts.
Armstrong and Green say: “Agreement among experts is weakly related to accuracy. This is especially true when the experts communicate with one another and when they work together to solve problems, as is the case with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change process.”
Another principle involves uncertainty and complexity. The more of each you have, the less sure you should be of your forecasts. Climate forecasts involve so many factors and so much uncertainty that Armstrong and Green believe they’re useless.
Many people believe these complex forecasts can be trusted because computer models are used. But so much uncertainty and subjectivity is involved in the input that Armstrong and Green say the use of these computer models is just a modern version of an old practice: the use of mathematics to make personal opinions sound more impressive. (Robert Malthus’s predictions on population increase and food decline, very influential in the 19th century, were presented with a lot of mathematics. They were wrong.)
Global Warming: Forecasts by Scientists Versus Scientific Forecasts
http://www.forecastingprinciples.com/Public_Policy/WarmAudit31.pdf
Just for anyhow>>>>
Racial harassment. The plaintiff complained that a white male harassed her and used racial slurs. He called her a monkey, a black monkey, a chimpanzee, told her to wear dreadlocks and said she had a “funny shaped head.” After warning the harasser twice, the bank finally fired him.
– http://www.bankersonline.com –
Oh, I’m sorry Chas, did you want a banana too?
Sorry, all out, but can make a run to the store. :)
jackasses are closely related to donkeys.
Democratic party symbol.
It is no wonder that “Kansas” is oh for lifetime when it comes to women.
What a flippin’ loser.
Better luck in the next life, Troll.
So is Tom a flippin loser too WSClark?
According to your standard, he is.
Actually, I’m betting that Tom has or has had many women friends.
I’m gonna nail you every time you try posting racial slurs… It isnt funny…. Nobody likes it but other racially motivated posters…
“So is Tom a flippin loser too WSClark?”
Tom is a homosexual – proud of it – and I respect him greatly.
You, Troll, on the other hand, are heterosexual, but deserve no respect.
And, of course, like most of your points, your comment was completely out of context and meaningless.
Wow, Kansas, are you claiming to be….. nawwww, no way…. Your analogy cant possibly work… And I dont think bringing Tom into the thread has ANY MERIT at all!!
Your credibility just keep slip sliding away!! LOL
Go for it Chas, it will show everyone what a petty loser of a person you really are.
Chas – the blog interpreter who says who can say what, unless of course you’re a Liberal – then anything goes. :)
Nathan,
Scott Armstrong and Kesten Green are not climate scientists.
And thank you for posting the 5th most popular deniers argument.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?a=15
“There are two major questions in climate modelling – can they accurately reproduce the past and can they successfully predict the future?”
Answers graphs, etc. at link.
??? — Is there something written somewhere that says Gay men cannot have female friends?? Just wondering…
I dont think that calling you out on racial slurs shows me to be anything but a person of integrity!! But, keep on with the personal attacks!! You’re real good at that… but not much more than that… ROFL!!
What racial slurs would that be Chas?
Either your memory is malfunctioning, or you have some level of alzheimers!! I already posted it once…
Clinton to return $850,000 raised by Hsu
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070910/ap_on_el_pr/democratic_fundraiser;_ylt=AsiGEAjPp6WSjvgzlaP224tI2ocA
“Stay tuned, we will soon treat you to another episode of the Nathan and Chas show, which will be followed by the Kansas and Cosmos show. Which will later be followed by the Kansas and chorus of people shouting at each other educational program. Why would you want to tune in anywhere else???
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Posted by: Steven Davis | September 10, 2007 at 02:02 AM
I hear the dinner bell ringing!!
Later, Y’all!!
Wow, I never knew that simian comparisons were racist!!!!!!
180*
News Flash G D — They are!!! LOL
Racial harassment. The plaintiff complained that a white male harassed her and used racial slurs. He called her a monkey, a black monkey, a chimpanzee, told her to wear dreadlocks and said she had a “funny shaped head.” After warning the harasser twice, the bank finally fired him.
– http://www.bankersonline.com –
One problem Chas, WSClark is not a female and he is a Caucasian.
I’m unsure about a “funny shaped head” though.
Chas
I said exactly that. I believe that Tom has many women friends.
On the other hand, I’m betting the troll has none (except for his mother).
“News Flash G D — They are!!! LOL”Posted by: Chas.
Now I am confused. Didn’t someone just say something about “monkey” being a racial slur?
Well I suppose only one thing should make this evenings show complete:
Chas,
Is there anything required to believe to call yourself a Christian and be one or can anyone call themselves a Christian no matter what they believe and be one?
Sorry, that post was mine…
Why would anyone want to call themselves a Christian, Nathan, if they were not a believer?
I am not a Christian because I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. I do not call myself a Christian.
The implication of your post was that Chas. is not a true Christian. Who decides who is and who is not Christian?
Having been Christian in the past, I would contend that anyone that believes in Christ and His path to Heaven is a Christian.
One problem Chas, WSClark is not a female and he is a Caucasian. I’m unsure about a “funny shaped head” though.
Posted by: Kansas | September 10, 2007 at 06:56 PM
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As usual, Kansas misses the point, and makes himself appear to be disingenius…
Nathan Stuff it… I am tired of your juvenile games!! Go find something else to do!!
Well I suppose only one thing should make this evenings show complete:
Chas,
Is there anything required to believe to call yourself a Christian and be one or can anyone call themselves a Christian no matter what they believe and be one?
Posted by: Hank Price | September 10, 2007 at 06:57 PM
Sorry, that post was mine…
Posted by: Nathan | September 10, 2007 at 06:58 PM
Nathan and Hank Price are one and the same?!?
Nathan Stuff it… I am tired of your juvenile games!! Go find something else to do!!
“Nathan and Hank Price are one and the same?!?”
They are conjoined twins and sometimes don’t take turns posting.
Must have been a heckuva soldier(s?) in Iraq!
“Must have been a heckuva soldier(s?) in Iraq!”
Impossible to flank.
No, Nathan sometimes posts on his dad’s computer and forgets to change the name.
He’s done that in the past too.
“No, Nathan sometimes posts on his dad’s computer…”
I like mine better.
If anyone didn’t know calling a black person a ‘monkey’ was a racist slur, then they’ve been living under a damn rock. That’s older than I am.
Now, that being said.. even I once at work no less, was talking to a nice young black man, and I said something like…”you silly monkey”…I can’t remember exactly what I said. I wasn’t even thinking about it. But as soon as it was out of my mouth, I’m sure the look on my face of horror at what I had just done spoke volumes. Thankfully he was polite, and just let it go.
“Did anyone read the article fully? Probably not.”
I could not find it. I googled both authors together and did not come up with anything. 43 is not a big sample at all. But could be useful if the effect size is really strong, then the sample size would not matter that much. If anyone finds the original study, I would like to see it.
Anybody gonna announce [or predict] the late night shows here tonight. Early this a.m. I was just spoofing; did not really think so many would follow my schedule.
I was being disingenuous just then — things are way too predictable around here.
Time for football — who needs the Blog??
Nathan–
The only person qualified to decide who is and who is not a Christian is God the Father Almighty.
Stop being so arrogant.
CapnAmerica
God is the only person qualified to judge peoples hearts for salvation.
I am perfectly capable of looking at what someone professes to believe and says and see if they are a Christian or not.
If someone doesn’t believe that Christ is the key to salvation as he says:
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
Yet they call themselves Christians… are they?
It doesn’t make me arogant.
Arogance would be saying I am a better Christian than you are.
WS Clark,
There are quite a few groups who claim to be Christian and are not.
Why would they do this?
Several reasons, one being that the best lies are those wrapped in truth.
There are those who would want to decieve people by saying they are following the truth when they are not.
Other groups seek the recognition and status amoungst the other major Christian organizations.
Political Mom,
Ever watch Clerks 2?
They had a scene where one of the guys kept saying “porch monkey” in front of Wanda Sykes, like there was nothing wrong with it….
Nathan Stuff it… I am tired of your juvenile games!! Go find something else to do!!
They had a scene where one of the guys kept saying “porch monkey” in front of Wanda Sykes, like there was nothing wrong with it….
Posted by: Nathan | September 10, 2007 at 09:17 PM
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Like that makes the racial slur OK?? Good Grief!!!
:: eyes rolling ::
I still see Chas is judging everyone on the right again. Nothing new here, a judgmental minister who never goes to church at anytime since he’s been here blogging, Monday through Sunday.
Nothing to see here, just another Liberal moveon.org barge lizard.
Yep… gonna keep on calling out racial slurs… Not gonna put up with that crap any more!!!
“There are quite a few groups who claim to be Christian and are not.”
Name one.
How about parakeet?
Evidently Chas you don’t like mammals.
Maybe something in the fish family?
Or perhaps something microscopic?
Would you be liking a the title of paramecium?
WS Clark,
Well, the biggest and probably one of the more controversial ones would be the Mormons.
Chas,
I wasn’t trying to justify the term, it was a comical example…
Racism isnt ever comical… sorry!!
Great, now I can never wear my green crocs.
I’m so glad the Daily Show is back. WOO HOO ROD CORRDRY
Pssst!! Nathan… Dont tell that to the Mormons!! LOL
According to your definition yesterday Nathan, yes, they do qualify as Christians.
Political Mom,
Not Exactly…
“Well, the biggest and probably one of the more controversial ones would be the Mormons.”
So I guess you won’t be voting for Mitt Romney, eh Nathan?
and why not?
Oh gee, I really should have saved the link to your definition I guess.
My bad, I forgot.
WS Clark,
I would vote for Mitt Romney over the Democrat Candidate.
His values are more along the lines of my own.
I still don’t see him getting the nomination though. He has the money for sure, but something in my gut still says his being a Mormon will hurt him in the long run…
I grew up in Idaho and some of my best friends are Mormons.
They definately hold the same political views and values that I do for the most part.
I just differ with them on beliefs.
“His values are more along the lines of my own.”
So his not being a Christian is of no consequence to you, Nathan?
What about voting for a GOOD Christian like Barack Obama?
Mormons act more like Christians than most Christians. I have quite a few Mormon friends, and they are truly good people, they walk the walk, not just talk the talk. I’ve never met one that I thought was a hypocrite.
WS Clark,
I vote for a candidate based upon his political philosophy and standings on many issues.
The fact that someone is a Christian or not plays only a small part in my decision making compared to the many other issues.
You never answered my question Nathan.
“There are those who would want to decieve people by saying they are following the truth when they are not.”
Posted by Nathan.
That sounds like people who are not climate scientists, who (falsely) claim that they know more about climate than the real climate scientists.
So, Nathan what is it about Barack Obama’s values that would cause you NOT to vote for him?
Just being a Democrat doesn’t count.
Cosmos,
I don’t think they claim that they know more, they come to different conclusions based on the evidence.
That sounds like people who are not climate scientists, who (falsely) claim that they know more about climate than the real climate scientists.
Posted by: cosmos | September 10, 2007 at 10:40 PM
An admission by cosmos who claims to know more than scientists like Roy Spencer.
I don’t agree with his stance on:
-the war in Iraq-how to deal with leaders from Iran and North Korea-Nuclear Weapons-Semi-Automatic weapons-Lets just sum up I don’t agree with many of his stances on guns at all.-Abortion-Energy Policy-Immigration-Taxes
Do I need to list them all?
Lets just say I disagree with nearly all of his stances.
Gun Control is one of my hot topics and he definately goes against the things I believe there.
Yeah, gun control is just about the biggest issue we face today in America.
……………… off.
Why are we trying to change Nathan’s mind on who is and isn’t a Christian?It’s not like he’d ever change his mind on anything; the world is black and white.There are some Christian religions that believe that salvation is still possible without believing in Jesus, or rather, believing that they don’t know if those people will get salvation and it’s not their place to know, it’s God’s because only God can judge a heart.
And there are some Christian denominations that believe that everyone will eventually get salvation, even if it’s well after they die, but they might have to endure separation from God, which really sucks, for a while.
And on a related note, denominations that believe everyone goes to heaven in the presence of God after death, but nonbelievers find his presence agony until they repent.
And there are some that believe Jesus may manifests himself in many forms and so all religions will lead to salvation.
And then there are the denominations like Nathan’s that drive people far, far away from Christianity in general–you have to believe this way and only this way, and if you don’t and you die you’re going to be in a lake of fire FORRREVVVER. Obeying authority without question is Godliness and science is evil. They may not even realize it, but they make the Christian religion sound so horrible and intolerant that no nonbeliever wants to go near it. Aren’t you guys supposed to recruit follows? On this blog, Christians like them come off as arrogant, condescending and sadistic. If this was my first and only exposure to Christianity, I would run far far away.
Of course, he has 20-something years of believing like this, so he’s not going to budge. Why even humor him?
We should all go drink a beer and say cheers! Otherwise, Nathan and Chas are just going to get into the same tiff day after day after day after day after day after day :)
Hillary, “Oops! I plumb forgot about that other $827,000!
Clinton to Return $850,000 in Donations Raised By Norman Hsu
WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign said Monday it will return $850,000 in donations raised by Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu, who is under federal investigation for allegedly violating election laws.
Clinton, D-N.Y., previously had planned only to give to charity $23,000 she received from Hsu for her presidential and senatorial campaigns and to her political action committee, HillPac.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296361,00.html
Not me… I give up… Now, if he will just leave me alone… we might get somewhere!!!
Tara,
You hold a very synical view.
As much as you would like to paint the picture of disparity between the denominations, almost all the major denomination accept the very basic premise of being a Christain: That Jesus is divine and you must have faith in him.
Of course this blog is not going to be a great representation of Christianity.
It is a place where a bunch of nuts like us come to argue.
Christianity is about bringing people to Christ not the church for numbers. It is not some simple popularity contest.
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
synical = cynical… typo
before the spelling police get me
“I don’t think they claim that they know more, they come to different conclusions based on the evidence.”
Posted by: Nathan
So they don’t understand climate science, but you believe that their different (and incorrect) conclusions are true? WHY???
“An admission by cosmos who claims to know more than scientists like Roy Spencer.”
Posted by: the multi-named troll Kansas.
Actually, I’ve claimed that other climate scientists know more about climate than people like Roy Spencer. Spencer seems to be focused on satellite measurements, and trying to revive Lindzen’s dead ‘Iris’ theory.
‘Roy SpencerInterfaith Science Advisor’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1397“Spencer is listed as a “scientific advisor” for an organization called the “Interfaith Stewardship Alliance” (ISA). According to their website, the ISA is “a coalition of religious leaders, clergy, theologians, scientists, academics, and other policy experts committed to bringing a proper and balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development.” ”
‘FACTSHEET: Roy W. Spencer’http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=19
Cosmos,
It is your opinion that they don’t understand climate science.
There are many professionals all over the world who come from the climate field, physics, geology, etc… who disagree with the so called “concensus” on Global warming.
As simple as it is for you to label them all liars, hacks, or stupid, they are not.
Is the concept of disagreement on the evidence to hard for you to grasp?
It’s not like he’d ever change his mind on anything; the world is black and white.
The same can be said about the extremists on both sides of this blog.
I am amazed at how much time some of you spend on here, while claiming to have personal lives outside of here.
I would relish some intelligent conversation, but it all seems to boil down to about a dozen people arguing the same points over and over and over and over again. It is obvious to my six year old daughter that neither side is going to convince the other side they are right and you are wrong.
How about you bozos stop wasting time fighting over the same issues and change what you can where you live? If you expended half the energy there that you do here, your city would be a much better place.
Much as I hope even one of you will do so, I know in my heart that you will continue the stupid bickering. This country is going to hell in a handbasket and your arguing about it is not helping since you are not putting actions to your words.
-GAL
Oops! I guess cosmos forgot to mention this about Spencer. NASA thinks he is tops!
“Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for University of Alabama in Huntsville. In the past, he served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA’s Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.”
Imagine that, the former head of Climate studies at NASA and recognized by NASA for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.
But cosmos can only post disparaging remarks about Spencer. Spencer knows more about climate in the tip of his little finger than cosmos will ever know in his entire lifetime.
Please do not feed the trolls. Studies show that feeding the trolls only encourages them to keep trolling. Ignore them and see how fast they go away.
I see that advice has been offered numerous times, to no avail.
-GAL
Good Night! Good Luck! And God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Nite all!! Have a great Tuesday!!
So what do you conceive of God to be Chas?
Nathan Stuff it… I am tired of your juvenile games!! Go find something else to do!!
Nite all!!
It would be so much faster and take less blog space if you would just answer the question…
Nathan,an eastern orthodox once told me that he holds view #1 and maybe #3.
Incidentally, he was the one who almost converted me simply because I saw how his faith made him a good person, how he loved everyone and worked hard to emulate Christ by doing charity work and trying to stay humble, how he never pestered me about my mixed religious upbringing and he never once implied that my soul was in jeapordy unless I made a decision right this second. And he never once mentioned his religion to me until I was intrigued enough to ask about it, and then he lit up, explained his beliefs enthusiastically, tried to answer my questions and offered to help me in my search for truth. He was also loved to learn about other religions, especially Eastern ones.
While I’m still borderline agnostic, people like that are probably the most effective in spreading the gospel.
Also, a Lutheran that posts on a message board I frequent once told me that he interprets Romans 14:11 to mean everyone eventually comes to Christ and finds salvation.
Their interpretation differs from you, but it is not your place to say whether they’re Christian or not. Or rather, you might believe its your place to say so, but others might not. If that even makes sense.
But I’m not going to change your mind. I’m just trying to let you know why and how, to an outsider, your views would be considered obnoxious. I’m well aware that you probably won’t give two shits.
Cheers.
“So what do you conceive of God to be Chas?”
See, this? This is what I’m talking about. You’re deliberately baiting Chas. You want him to answer something different from what you believe so you can pounce on him and get into a Bible-quoting piss contest.
How is this Christ-like, again?
Nathan,
I trust the opinions of those who best understand climate science — NOT marketing professors, etc..
Troll Kansas,
I did not “forget”. I posted: “Spencer seems to be focused on satellite measurements,…”
Nathan and troll Kansas COULD try to provide some credible scientific studies showing that humans have NOT caused the recent warming.
‘Graphic Evidence’http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/graphic-evidence/
But they CANNOT — so they instead make vague posts about “evidence”, and false personal attacks.
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Arctic sea ice,
http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20070810_index.html
“10 September 2007Sea ice extent continues to decline, and is now at 4.24 million square kilometers (1.63 million square miles), falling yet further below the previous record absolute minimum of 5.32 million square kilometers (2.05 million square miles) that occurred on September 20–21, 2005.
September 9, 2007Compared to conditions cited in our last entry on September 3, we have lost an additional 180,000 square kilometers (69,000 square miles) of ice, an area roughly the size of Florida. However, the rate of loss from day to day has greatly slowed.
The absolute minimum for 2007 could occur any day now. While on average, based on data from 1979 to 2000, this minimum has occurred around September 13, it has occurred as late as September 25.”
Ohh now Nathan changes his definition of Christianity…did any of you catch that?
Now Jesus must be divine…which means you must believe that Jesus IS God himself.
But Nathan, you still didn’t answer the question. Why aren’t Mormons Christian?
Be sure you ask him that quesstion now every day for about 2 1/2 weeks or so…. ROFL
“Imagine that, the former head of Climate studies at NASA and recognized by NASA for Exceptional Scientific Achievement.”
Posted by the TROLL Kansas
That was in 1991, 16 LONG years ago, and with John Christy.
And that’s when fossil-energy, and right-wingers started their disinformation campaign,http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Spencer had another award in 1996, also with John Christy. And Christy later had some serious math “problems” re the satellite data.
But cosmos can only post disparaging remarks about Spencer. Spencer knows more about climate in the tip of his little finger than cosmos will ever know in his entire lifetime.
Posted by: Kansas | September 10, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Multi-named TROLL Kansas,
Thank you for AGAIN proving that you have NO credible climate science proving that humans are NOT causing global warming, and climate change.
You instead have very stale, boring, and false personal attacks at me, AND the huge majority of credible climate scientists.
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