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New – Add Another $30 MILLION to the $40 MILLION Missing From HSU – Total Now Over $70 MILLION!
Justice Department, SEC Probe InvestmentsLinked to Democratic Fund-Raiser HsuBy IANTHE JEANNE DUGAN and KARA SCANNELLSeptember 19, 2007; Page A3
The Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating investments associated with prominent Democratic fund-raiser Norman Hsu, people familiar with the matter said.
The SEC started its preliminary investigation after a Wall Street Journal article last week said a New York fund couldn’t account for $40 million it had invested with Mr. Hsu. Both agencies also are investigating losses reported by others who have invested with Mr. Hsu, including a complaint from investors in California who claim they are missing more than $30 million.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119016759277332026.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
I like this idea of the people getting to ask the candidates questions, even if they dress up as snowmen.
***************************************Intelligence Administration EthicsDialogue with candidates via MySpace/MTV.
Tomorrow begins the MySpace/MTV Presidential Candidate Dialogues, which “mark the first time in history that viewers at home and online will be able to interact in real time with the candidates.”
More details:On Thursday, September 27, at 12 p.m. ET, Democratic candidate John Edwards will sit down with MTV News correspondents Gideon Yago and SuChin Pak and WashingtonPost.com political reporter Chris Cillizza on the University of New Hampshire campus to answer questions submitted via MySpaceIM and MTV.com. Questions will also be asked by a live audience comprised of UNH students.
Participants will also be able to rate Edwards’ responses in real time — everything from a simple “I agree/disagree” to the decidedly less traditional “Full of bull” — thanks to the Flektor instant-polling tool. A “popular vote” function will allow viewers to compare their opinions against those of the entire viewing community. Poll results will be available online live during each event and archived for future viewing.Ten other candidates, both Republican and Democratic, will be participating in the dialogues at later dates.
* John D.R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from Florida was charged with using interstate communication to entice a minor to have sexual contact and traveling across state lines with the intent of engaging in illicit sexual contact.
* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys ages ten and 12 during a six-year period.
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Look out Duh… the CONS will put up Kennedy, Barney Frank, and Clinton… to try to balance it out — ROFLMAO!!!!!
Both parties have their scumbags. What’s new?
Barney Frank is very open about the fact he is a homosexual. The Republicans who are homosexuals- and I think a large number of them are- hide in the closet of “family values”. You see the Republican queers are like termites- you see only a few of them when they come to light but many hundreds of them live in the dark.
Max, you’re turning into a one trick pony.
You got nothing.
I really like this Jefferson quote from 1816 >>>>
–”I have ever thought religion a concern purely between our God and our consciences, for which we were accountable to Him, and not to the priests. I never told my own religion, nor scrutinized that of another. I never attempted to make a convert, nor wished to change another’s creed.”– Jefferson
” Look out Duh… the CONS will put up Kennedy, Barney Frank, and Clinton… ” Posted by: Chas.
” Both parties have their scumbags. What’s new?” Posted by: J M Walker
But only one is the “Family Values” party.
Republican Mitt Romney’s list of bundlers until recently included Alan Fabian, who was charged in a 23-count indictment last month alleging mail fraud, money laundering, bankruptcy fraud, perjury and obstruction of justice, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Baltimore.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091902508.html?hpid=topnews
Go get em, Max!
A construction worker who oversaw renovation of Sen. Ted Stevens’s home said his company also paid him to help run fundraisers for the Alaska Republican, a practice that appears to violate federal campaign finance laws.
Contractor Robert Williams is a key witness in a bribery investigation that stretches from Alaska to Capitol Hill and threatens legal and political headaches for the Senate’s longest-serving Republican. The FBI is investigating whether Stevens received illegal gifts from Veco Corp., a once-powerful Alaska oil contractor.
Williams said he was in charge of “special projects” for Veco founder Bill Allen, and the renovation of Stevens’s home was one such project. Others included working three or four fundraisers for Stevens while on the clock with Veco. Federal election laws prohibit candidates from accepting donations or free services from corporations.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091902143.html?hpid=sec-politics
Oh, those faith and values republicans!
I don’t blame MITT for his friend’s illegal activities, and I certainly don’t buy into that Hillary should have known those campaign funds were fraudulent.
Max is chasing anything he can, isn’t he?
30 years of liberal policies results in the following…(started as a joke, but is sadly too close to reality to be funny. Thanks a lot, libs.)
SCHOOL DAYS1970 vs. 2007Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school
parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1970 – Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 – School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
——————————————————————–Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1970 – Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.2007 – Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won’t be still in class, disrupts other students.1970 – Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the
Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class
again.
2007 – Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin; Becomes a zombie; Tested for ADD; School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad
gives him a whipping with his belt.
1970 – Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 – Billy’s Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to
foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has affair with psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1970 – Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 – Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1970 – Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 – Pedro’s cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro’s English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway, but ends up mowing
lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed.
1970 – Ants die.
2007 – BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with
domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list; not allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee.He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1970 – In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 – Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of psycho-therapy.
“The Army is set to deliver a new combat optic to its Soldiers that could take “owning the night” to a whole new level.
The new “enhanced night vision goggle” will allow Soldiers to see an object, even if it’s obscured by dust, foliage or other debris, by combining the image intensification technology of current PVS-14 NVGs with heat-sensing thermal data.”
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149567,00.html?ESRC=dod-b.nl
Awesome tool right?
Wit, wait, wait for it. Some radilib will be along shortly complaining that the US will use this against American civilians to take away their rights…
“Oh, those faith and values republicans!”
Why don’t democrats get accused of having faith and values?
Any objective observer who watched or read, this week’s House and Senate testimony of General David Petraeus, received an informative assessment of the situation on the battlefield in Mesopotamia. Our top military commander in Iraq proffered a cool, level-headed report on successes and failures to date, gave his assessment of the challenges ahead and provided rational recommendations for the future.
By contrast, America’s Democrats gave the world a revealing look at the depths they are willing to plumb in their insatiable quest for raw political power. In what transpired before and during these hearings, Democrats made transparent their willingness to destroy anyone or anything that interferes with their designs.
During a telephone conversation three days before General Petraeus sat down next to Ambassador Ryan Crocker in the Caucus Room of the Cannon House Office building, my friend, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) told me that Democrats were conducting a “guerrilla campaign of character assassination” to impugn the General and that it would culminate with “a frontal attack” on his integrity. Congressman Hunter posited that based on my personal experience in a similar atmosphere, I would understand. But not even I could gauge how low the Democrats had sunk or how vicious they have become.
On Monday morning — just hours before the first day of hearings — the New York Times published a full-page ad paid for by MoveOn.org — the leftist, anti-U.S. military organization that has become a major financial and propaganda organ for Democrats. The text, below a photo of the General read: “General Petraeus or General Betray-Us? Cooking the Books for the White House.” The clear implication of the ad was that a dishonest General, doing the bidding of the Bush Administration, was going to dissemble before the Congress and could not be trusted to tell the truth.
The hearings began with a familiar routine: shrill diatribes from Democrat committee chairmen Ike Skelton and Tom Lantos who lectured and hectored the General — denouncing the campaign in Iraq in general and General Petraeus in particular. Mr. Lantos, who had once stood steadfast with the Reagan Administration against communism, launched a pre-emptive strike on the battlefield commander’s testimony before he’d ever seen or heard it with a dismissively insulting: “I don’t buy it.”
Then, the cabal that wants to abandon the war against radical Islam demonstrated their competence. They couldn’t even get the General’s microphone to work. While the world waited to hear what General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker would say, more than half a dozen anti-U.S. military protesters had their way.
Allowed to enter the hearing room dressed in pink, the activists jumped up screaming obscenities and denouncing America — before being finally escorted from the chamber. Those who speculate that the muted microphones and the protests were orchestrated by the Democrats running the show have reason to wonder.
When General Petraeus was finally afforded the opportunity to speak he defended his words as his own. “This is my testimony, although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by nor shared with anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the Congress until it was just handed out,” he said. By then, the damage had already been done. Committee members like Mr. Lantos barely glanced at the detailed charts that accompanied the Petraeus presentation. At times, the Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee appeared to be having trouble staying awake.
In the aftermath, some of my older “media colleagues” and even a member of Congress sympathetically opined that the treatment General Petraeus received was reminiscent of another hearing twenty years ago this summer. They are wrong.
What happened this week to General Petraeus — and less directly to Ambassador Crocker — was far worse than what transpired two decades ago on Capitol Hill during the Iran-Contra hearings. When Admiral John Poindexter and I testified, we weren’t in command. By the summer of 1987 the Admiral and I were simply staff officers — summoned to testify about past events. That’s entirely different from the smear that took place this week.
General Petraeus commands more than 160,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines who are in the field, battling a brutal enemy in the midst of a long, hard campaign. He was summoned — not “sent” as Mr. Lantos alleged — to testify about current and future operations. Troops who have to face death daily, wearing flak jackets in 120 degree heat, watched and listened in barracks, bunkers and command-posts as their leader was denigrated, demeaned and belittled by the majority party in Congress.
Such abusive treatment of a U.S. battlefield commander not only demoralizes our troops and disheartens our allies — it is a great encouragement to our enemies as well. Tellingly, the day after the hearings ended, Sheikh Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, the Sunni leader credited by General Petraeus as the leader of the revolt against al-Qaeda, was assassinated by a bomb planted in his home. President Bush, who met the brave Sheikh in Al Anbar two weeks ago, immediately expressed his condolences. The Democrats couldn’t be bothered.
Democrats have now shown the world that they will denigrate and destroy anyone or anything to placate their far-left, deep-pocket donors. Do the American people really want this party in power?
military.com
Why don’t democrats get accused of having faith and values?
Posted by: fleettwood | September 20, 2007 at 08:56 AM
As usual, you miss the point, fleet. Democrats don’t get skewered over faith and values because unlike republicans, Dems don’t hold themselves up as the faith and values party, and then get caught soliciting cops for blowjobs, or playing footsie under the bathroom stall.
“Dems don’t hold themselves up as the faith and values party”Posted by: XXX
I think you missed fleets point and then proved it.
By contrast, America’s Democrats gave the world a revealing look at the depths they are willing to plumb in their insatiable quest for raw political power. In what transpired before and during these hearings, Democrats made transparent their willingness to destroy anyone or anything that interferes with their designs.Posted by: Democrats HATE this country | September 20, 2007 at 09:01 AM
Sock Puppet, you’ve got to be kidding! Tell me you’re not really that hypocritical.
Sounds to me like you were describing republicans.
Faith and values aren’t something the person who really holds them needs to scream about. Living them is proof.
Is it possible for a democrat to be a hypocrite? I guess John Edwards could drive an SUV. Democrats don’t get skewered because they make no pretense to even consider faith and values important. However, many people who vote do.
There are plenty of repulicans who pay lip service to faith and values. However, they are quickly moved to the back row when they reveal themselves otherwise. The voters will do the job if the RNC does not.
Dems don’t hold themselves up as the faith and values party, and then get caught soliciting cops for blowjobs, or playing footsie under the bathroom stall.
Posted by: XXX | September 20, 2007 at 09:04 AM
And since democrats have no moral or ethical values based upon faith – they don’t feel guilty when they get caught in criminal behavior. In fact, they blame someone else and call themselves “victims”.
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
“Democrats HATE this country.”
Interesting . . . yesterday, he posted as “Democrat and proud of it.”
It looks like the TROLL is back to his old tricks. We gave him a chance to change his ways, but he seems to have an addiction to try to f*ck with people.
Or perhaps it’s just a need to have scorn and derision heaped upon him like some kind of masochist pervert.
Anyway, if scorn is what he wants, then by all means, let’s give it to him.
And since democrats have no moral or ethical values based upon faith – they don’t feel guilty when they get caught in criminal behavior. In fact, they blame someone else and call themselves “victims”.
Posted by: Following Seas | September 20, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Well of course. That’s why a blowjob is not sex!
“There are plenty of repulicans who pay lip service to faith and values. However, they are quickly moved to the back row when they reveal themselves otherwise.”
Or as we see now, they accidentally get elected president.
“And since democrats have no moral or ethical values based upon faith”
Where are these ethical values you think republicans have?
Maybe here:
Does it seem like there’s a new Republican scandal in the news every single week? Well, that may be because there is:January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationshipJanuary 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges “in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees”January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI’s investigation into his land dealsFebruary 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle “Dusty” Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contractsFebruary 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terroristsMarch 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandalMarch 6, 2007: I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjuryMarch 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affairMarch 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush’s energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committeeMarch 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator’s gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearingMarch 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan’s budget director, David Stockman, “indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit”March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one childApril 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack AbramoffApril 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealingsApril 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack AbramoffApril 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel MartinezApril 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggageMay 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO CorporationMay 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern’s apartmentMay 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North CarolinaMay 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contractsMay 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn’t publicly disclose the event until June 11)May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his careMay 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand juryJune 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men’s bathroom of an airportJune 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution chargesJuly 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of former Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby following Libby’s conviction on obstruction of justice and perjuryJuly 3, 2007: A grand jury report declares that the sale of public land to Republican Congressman Ken Calvert and his business partners violated the lawJuly 11, 2007: Republican state Representative and Florida co-Chairman of McCain for President Bob Allen is arrested for soliciting a male undercover police officer, offering to pay $20 to perform oral sexJuly 16, 2007: Republican Senator David Vitter holds press conference acknowledging being on the D.C. Madam’s list and past involvement with prostitutesJuly 16, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski was involved in a sweetheart real estate dealJuly 19: Republican former state legislator Coy Privette is charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution
July 24, 2007: Michael Flory, former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, pleads guilty to sexual abuseJuly 26, 2007: Media report that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski will sell back land purchased in a sweetheart deal, following close scrutiny of the shady transactionJuly 29, 2007: Glenn Murphy Jr., recently-elected Chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, is accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping manJuly 30, 2007: The FBI and IRS raid the home of Republican Senator Ted Stevens following investigations into Stevens’ dealings with the corrupt VECO CorporationAugust 2, 2007: Bush administration senior adviser Karl Rove disregards a Congressional subpoena and refuses to testify before the Senate Judiciary CommitteeAugust 6, 2007: Investigation called for after House Republican Leader John Boehner leaked classified information regarding a secret court ruling over warrantless wiretappingAugust 8, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig pleads guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct following his June 11 arrestAugust 9, 2007: Major Republican donor Alan Fabian is charged with 23 counts of bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and perjuryAugust 15, 2007: Republican state House candidate Angelo Cappelli is arrested for perjury and grand theftAugust 22, 2007: Republican political consultant Roger Stone resigns his role with the New York state Senate Republicans after reports surfaced that he made a “threatening, obscenity-laced” phone call to the 83-year-old father of Governor Eliot SpitzerAugust 27, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Larry Craig was arrested and pled guilty – he had not publicly disclosed the events to that pointThat seems like an awful lot of corruption, scandal, hypocrisy, impropriety, and jail-worthy crime, huh? A lot of corruption. One might say an entire Culture of Corruption.* John D.R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from Florida was charged with using interstate communication to entice a minor to have sexual contact and traveling across state lines with the intent of engaging in illicit sexual contact.
* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys ages ten and 12 during a six-year period.
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Just because candidate has revealed that they have personal convictions about what is right and wrong related to their values and faith does not mean that they are yelling and screaming.
“Democrats have now shown the world that they will denigrate and destroy anyone or anything to placate their far-left, deep-pocket donors. Do the American people really want this party in power?”
That, my friends, is the real threat this country is facing. Far greater a threat than Al Q., is the threat from within.
It looks like the TROLL is back to his old tricks. We gave him a chance to change his ways, but he seems to have an addiction to try to f*ck with people.
Or perhaps it’s just a need to have scorn and derision heaped upon him like some kind of masochist pervert.
Anyway, if scorn is what he wants, then by all means, let’s give it to him.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
You who accuse others of being a troll hid behind more nics than everyone else on the board combined.
Sick of sure is good at building a platoon of straw men, isn’t he?
Betcha though he found that list on the internet someplace and didn’t write it hisself.
Big deal XXX. What’s your point? I could come up with a list of the sleazy things democrats in office and power have done.
There are democrats who go to church too – and profess christian faith, who ALSO are charged, convicted, and thrown out for sleaze.
There is no party with a claim to having God on their side.
Most Americans can see that.
I am not seeing how that make democrats any BETTER?
“Democrats have now shown the world that they will denigrate and destroy anyone or anything to placate their far-left, deep-pocket donors. Do the American people really want this party in power?”
How different is that from the libelous smear campaign that Repubs did on McCain (they even eat thier own) during the 2000 campaign, or the “Swift Boat” smear on Kerry.
“There is no party with a claim to having God on their side.”
What a joke — the Republicans came to power in the 90’s campaigning that they were god’s candidates — and the evangelicals and far right bought it hook line and s(t)inker —
“I could come up with a list of the sleazy things democrats in office and power have done.”
OK let’s see it — but to be fair it should only be of 2007 revelations of Democratic shortcomings — as was xxx post
oops – My apologies — make it an open ended list xxx post was NOT only 2007
“There is no party with a claim to having God on their side.”
Uh, excuse me, Pat? Don’t you listen to your own party? That’s exactly what they do. That’s why the crazy right-wing extremist fundies flock to the GOP.
Pat, can you say “hypocrite”?
The lowest of the low remains the smear job they did on Max Clellan, the Vietnam vet who lost both legs and one arm in combat. I’m not against a little elbow-jabbing in politics, but that was just a scum job done by thugs with no conscience.
Graffitti Troll claims that the Democratic party has no values or ideals.
This is false of course, but it speaks volumes about what the reich-wing chooses to believe.
Dems believe in the freedom to
-be told the truth by our gov’t
-live in a DIVERSE society and celebrate that diversity
-hold a job that pays at least a living wage
-live in a world in which I am not sickened by pollution caused by others for their profit
-live free from the threat of others possessing deadly weapons
-live in a country committed to “justice for all” without regard to race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender AND that the country will actively work to reverse the effects of past discrimination
-eat safe food, buy safe products, travel on safe airlines guaranteed by regulations
-speak freely and to be protected against degrading and hateful speech of others
-invest and do business with companies legally bound to operate ethically and fairly (no Enrons – no sweat shop products)
-enjoy a gov’t that not only respects my privacy but actively protects my right to read what I want, communicate with whom I want, watch what I want, and do what I want so long as it does not harm others
-have a political system uncorrupted by money politics and concentrations of wealth
-live in a society in which gov’t does not actively help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (like we have now)
-get access to information from a wide variety of competing media sources (as opposed to a few giant media conglomerates like we have now)
-live free from the power of huge unregulated corporations making decisions in our lives: HMO’s telling us what surgery we can have, car co.’s forcing us to drive gas-guzzling polluting cars, credit card co’s deciding our interest rates, food providers deciding how much filth we eat, polluters deciding how much pollution we breathe and drink
-to live in a country governed by the traditional principle of empathy and responsibility not only for ourselves but for our neighbors -to live in a country in which the gov’t doesn’t actively encourage more selfish individualism (what we have now)
Capn- I hope you have the foxhole dug and the Kevlar handy- I think I hear’m coming!
Damn right, Dennis.
The Dems who think they can “reason with” the Repukes and their tatics need to wake up.
The only lesson Repukes can learn from is the lesson of political annihilation.
Thanks for the warning, Gster.
But bully-kicking was sort of my extra-curricular sport in high school, hehe . . .
“-live in a DIVERSE society and celebrate that diversity”
Would somebody please explain what the above really means?Sounds like babble to me.
OMG, was values boy waving the white flag today??????????????
Heheheheheh. VB, you are the best recruiting tool the LIBERALS have. You and yours CREATED the values voter label. It was a jingo that worked for a political party that has NOTHING but jingoism to offer.
You lured the votes with that “values” crap, like no one else had values. You rode that horse until it dropeed.
And now that you have tarnished the “values” label, you want to toss it aside like used toilet paper?
heheheheheheheheheheheh.HEEE HEE HEE HEE HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!
You created it, you made it stink like the steaming pile of crap it is, you now notice the stink is all over you and you cant get rid of it, so NOW you want to ditch it?
Bullshit.
I think it is tied around your neck like a dead and stinking chicken, and you wont get rid of the actual corpse until it rots off its rope. The stink will take longer to disappear. And you can hang your head in shame like the gutless chicken killing cur that you are!
You think changing your jingo will remove the stink? That a DIFFERENT jingo will give you credibility again? You dont want to be identified as “religious”? You dont want to be identified with the republican party?
heheheheheh. So much for loyalty and conviction. I think values boy just showed us his “values”. He used the chrisitianists and now he wants to get as far away as possible?
Yeah. THAT’S the “faith and values” we’ve come to expect from someone who SHILLS for the repukes and the christianists.
Until it isnt convenient for him anymore.
So values boy, what DO you want to be called?
How about “hypocrit”?
Seems to fit you.
fleet, of course it makes no sense to you. As a republican, you’re not wired to understand that sort of thing.
Is there anything worse than being a hypocrite in the eyes of a democrat?
People will vote for candidates who emulate their own personal values. Get over it. If the Democrats want the values and faith vote, they need to campaign as such.
Bush plans news conference this morning
While Bush anticipated questions about Iraq, the president planned to open with a statement challenging Democrats on their proposal for a $35 billion increase in a children’s health insurance program. Bush has threatened to veto the bill.
The $35 billion increase for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, called SCHIP, would bring total spending to about $60 billion, or twice the level sought by the Bush administration. The president planned to urge lawmakers to send him a simple extension of the program if both sides cannot agree on terms of a new measure.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
WTF!! This just pissed me off. Why the hell is he planning to veto it? Too much money being spent on children’s healthcare? But he can spend $3 billion a week on his war!!
The backlash commeth asshole. The backlash commeth. Popping the popcorn right now.
So WE “editors”? WHEN do WE get to pick values boy’s new nickname? How about a contest? A Crowson cartoon?
Jesus WEPT!!!!!!!
How do you christianist, religious right, republican shills feel about values boy publicly dissing you and distancing himself from your stink?
Labels. That’s the funny thing about them. If YOU create it, YOU chose it, and YOU phuck it up…
…YOU are stuck with it!!!!
Hehehehehheheh. Talk about FLIP FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!
Fleettwood–
That means when I drive through a black neighborhood, I don’t hit the automatic car locks.
That means when I park in the barrio, I stop in and buy mole and masa herina and speak espanol with the owner. (They need a good laugh too–at my Spanish.)
That means when I see a bunch of Vietnamese getting out of church on Sunday, I don’t think–”oh my gosh, they’re taking over!”
“If the Democrats want the values and faith vote, they need to campaign as such.”
HEY rfl, didnt you get the meme, I mean, memo?
VALUES BOY doesnt want you all to call yerselves “values and faith” voters anymore.
Not politically expedient, dontchya know? Dammit, keep up rfl.
Hey, I know, maybe they could give values boy a NEW column, a daily one.
The DAILY WHINE would be an appropriate new “label”.
Whatdaya think, VALUES boy?
KFG_ So, I take it VB is off your A X-mas card list? Is he going to get that bottle of “special” salsa this Noel??
KFG,RE your post, I read Brent’s column. I’m still rolling on the floor! Judging by some of the terms and expressions he used, looks like he follows your posts pretty close.
I think you’ve got the boy pretty well pegged.
XXX
That means when I drive through a black neighborhood, I don’t hit the automatic car locks.
That means when I park in the barrio, I stop in and buy mole and masa herina and speak espanol with the owner. (They need a good laugh too–at my Spanish.)
That means when I see a bunch of Vietnamese getting out of church on Sunday, I don’t think–”oh my gosh, they’re taking over!”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 20, 2007 at 09:59 AM
Good luck with that.
And the government is supposed to provide this for you?
Should the gov’t wipe your butt when you’re ‘done’ too?
Good observations on values boy, KGrrl.
I just skimmed his column and didn’t think about it at the time–but you’re right, the party of incorrigble labellers know suddenly decides that maybe this isn’t such a good plan . . .
Tough. Your bed, lie in it, suckas.
You’re right, Sol. Gov’t can only do so much.
But the Bush gov’t does nothing.
I think that kfg has a secret crush on Brent Castillo. She talks about his every column.
Why don’t you bitch to your local or state government? Why do you think this is a federal issue?
The federal gov’t was established to maintain STATES, not citizens. It is the STATE’S priority to provide for citizens.
People will vote for candidates who emulate their own personal values. Get over it.Posted by: rfl | September 20, 2007 at 09:57 AM
rfl, that doesn’t speak well of you and your fellow republicans considering you voted for the most lying WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER. See my list above for an example of the kind of people your kind vote for.
Castillo does make a good point. As much as folks like the lady in the story would like to think they are king makers, no one I know gives a rip that the top three Repub candidates dissed their forum.
Thank you for your feedback, Sol.
However my post was in reaction to the notion that national Dems have no goals or ideals.
I believe that they do, and that’s why I call myself a member of the Democratic party.
“That means when I drive through a black neighborhood, I don’t hit the automatic car locks.”
I don’t get that. Why would one hit the car locks? Please explain.
Well outie, since the WE does NOTHING to counter his bias, I have taken it upon myself to do so.
Although, it really is like shooting fish in a barrel. He’s such a damn hypocrit, and it is SO easy to point out his idiocy, it’s almost no fun anymore. Almost.
until today
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheyhehehehjehehehehehhHEHEHEHHEHE!
Like I’ve said before, in my softball days, I always was a sucker for a set up, slow fat pitch down the middle.
Even a “progressive” (big eye roll) like me can hit it out of the park when he makes it so easy.
Values. The label of choice for the bigots of choice. Yer gonna need industrial solvent to get rid of THAT label AND your association with the religious right and the republican party of (guffaw) values.
hee hee hee
When the ship’s going down, instead of bailing water or changing course…
…VALUES boy wants to rename the ship.
Hell, under bushco, genius like that could get him named WAR CZAR!
Good for you Capn, for not hitting the automatic locks. Now that’s diversity!
Fleet,”"That means when I drive through a black neighborhood, I don’t hit the automatic car locks.”
You know, like you republicans do when you drive through a neighborhood where “those people” live.
Is there anything worse than being a hypocrite in the eyes of a democrat?
NO
Boortz book review.
“… the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one whopanders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Kinda ’splains it all.
So far, none of the Republic posters have been able to mount a single serious criticism of anything I posted.
Maybe you all are really Dems.
KFG, STOP IT!!!! You’re killing me.
Rare form today, girl!
Boy, the tightie righties are sure silent about the values boy’s surrender today. The only comment was by outie, and he AGREES that the former “kingmaker” christianists have no more power.
Telling. Very telling that outie and values boy agree that the religious right, the republican christian coalition, are losing power.
Better think of a new jingo REALLY quickly….
heheheh. Thanks XXX. I spewed coffee all over the monitor when I read that white flag column.
Nice to start the day with a big fat belly laugh.
“… the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one whopanders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”
Oh, for shame! Imagine a politician doing what those dirty unwashed peons want!
I see your point, Heckler. I hope you get mine.
“You know, like you republicans do when you drive through a neighborhood where “those people” live.”
That makes no sense. Why hit the locks?
Is there anything worse than being a hypocrite in the eyes of a democrat?
NO
Posted by: TDT | September 20, 2007 at 10:15 AM
Actually, TDT, even though I am no longer a democrat, I think a LYING HYPOCRIT is worse than a plain hypocrit.
“That makes no sense. Why hit the locks?”
Poor fleet.
Sorry guy, I’m not willing to stoop far enough to reach your level. Like I said, you repubs just aren’t wired right.
XXX
I think you missed the authors point. But that’s OK, it’s a beautiful day in kake land.
So far, none of the Republic posters have been able to mount a single serious criticism of anything I posted.
Maybe you all are really Dems.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 20, 2007 at 10:15 AM
The Republicans are all busy working. They have jobs.
When I read the “Values Boy” column this morning I thought of two things.
First, I thought of our own ksfarmgrrl. Values Boy was definitely on the defense! And he has NO DEFENSE (or offense for that matter!)!
Secondly, I thought he must have also tried to watch the Values Voters debate earlier this week. Maybe he was able to stick to it and watch the whole silly sad thing. No matter whether he watched the whole program or only the thirty minutes I was able to stomach, he saw the need to distance from the whole laughable, sick, bigoted bunch!
posting a dug up list of a bunch of non-descript or long dead featherweight republicans who failed the values test does not warrant much of a response. Sorry XXX.
Capn
By the description you give you are not a Dem. you are a Marxist.
Or are they the same now?
Oh geez, here we go again with the Marxist crap….
A communist, er, Marxist under every tea cup?
Yep, it’s Kansas. Set your watch back to 1950 and see if that ol’ Zenith will pick up Joe McCarthy…
I thought we settled this KFG?
kfg
Look at Capn’s 9:39 post. He wants every aspect of life controlled and shaped by government. How else do you discribe that but Marxist/Communist?
He doesnt want freedom, he wants freedom from discomfort.
“He doesnt want freedom, he wants freedom from discomfort.”
My underwear is riding up on me today. Where is the goverment when I need them?
It’s Bush’s fault.
I did not say Obama was acting white. That punk put words in my mouth. I know those young black males did wrong, but we have to let them go. Let me people go.
KFG – When I hear or see the word “hypocrite”, I always think that the “Lying” is implied.
Is there anything worse than being a hypocrite in the eyes of a democrat?
NO
Posted by: TDT | September 20, 2007 at 10:15 AM
How can a democrat get away with calling something even as low and vile and harmfull to society as gasp! “hypocrite” wrong? Isn’t right and wrong relative to each is own? My body my choice type of thing?
rfl, I didnt bring up Marx. But I’m not going to let THAT idiocy go by without comment.
And, in case you havent noticed, with the VALUES crowd here, NOTHING is ever settled.
Even if they have to dig up joe mccarthy… AGAIN!
“How can a democrat get away with calling something even as low and vile and harmfull to society as gasp! “hypocrite” wrong? Isn’t right and wrong relative to each is own? My body my choice type of thing?”
See? I rest my case…
I know, democrats don’t like being compared to Marx. However he made some good points right KFG?
Well, the Secretary of Agriculture is resigning, rumored to be running for the Senate seat now held by Sen. Hagel.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/20/johanns.resigns/index.html
What happened to the current White House Chief of Staff’s reported admonition to resign by Labor Day or be prepared to stay through the end of the administration?
Interesting Ken,
Only dupes and ignorant people are still falling for the democrat ‘Swift Boat’ propaganda. Only dupes fall for the democrat spin machine using the phrase “Swift Boat” as a pejorative term to disparage or denigrate a person or opinion.
Then there are despicable people that actually use the term for no reason other than their party and political agenda is so devoid of ideas or solutions that they are reduced to defaming the good names of true American heroes.
http://www.swiftvets.com/videos/theyserved.mov
Now, if you love your country and persist in thinking the Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth are liars you should at least know what you are claiming the ’so-called-lies’ are:
http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/quicktimestream320/tspcustr320.movhttp://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/quicktimestream320/cicstr320.mov
http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/quicktimestream320/jkfphstr320.mov
http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/quicktimestream320/nmlbstr320.mov
http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/quicktimestream320/tphstr320.mov
These are the so-called lies that John F. Kerry had no answers for. He refused to address them. He could not address them because they are true. That’s why he isn’t president today. He used his short military career to lie about his fellow Viet Nam Vets and he disgraced country, his fellow vets and his reputation.
Hank
Wow, the best Heckler can manage is “you’re a Marxist” without evidence, rfl posts incoherencies and fleettwood sticks with what makes him the Blog’s Dumbest Poster, bathroom “humor.”
The Republipukes got nothing.
Two thousand and eight, bring it on, baby, bring it on . . .
Sock Puppet Ballet is WAY too early today…. I’m outta here for now… Later, all!!
Who is “values boy?”
Capn
What more evidence is needed but your own words?
Don’t be ashamed, be proud, tell everyone what you are. You already recited the platform. STAND UP!!
The great majority of Americans — the great majority of Kansas would agree with just about every one of those items I posted about what Dems believe.
That’s why we’re going to continue to beat Repukes like a drum in the next election.
The only refutation you can muster is to call my list “communist.”
Okay, friend, you stick with that, and we’ll see how it works out for you a year from November . . .
“That’s why we’re going to continue to beat Repukes like a drum in the next election.”
But what progress has this party made since winning in ‘06?
Chas is back in 3…2…
Capn wants a response to what? An antithesis of political spew?
Okay, you’re generalizations of political observations is more like an eighth grade student reciting Chaucer that’s going through a voice change.
You were just yodeling to hear your own voice, there wasn’t anything substantial in there.
Capn’s spew was more like splat on a roadway. You look at it in disgust, then move on.
Max, you’re turning into a one trick pony.
You got nothing.Posted by: XXX | September 20, 2007 at 06:17 AM
Not exactly.
What Max has is this: a pre-emptive Swift Boating of Mrs. Clinton.
This is all Max’s way of telling us he’s very afraid she may become our next president.
In addition to his fear he’d have substance IF Mrs. Clinton made a commitment — acted on, in fact — to return all contributions bundled by Hsu to the respective individual donors.
But then the facts rarely get in the way of a good Swift Boating. Swift Boating is all about throwing mud in sufficient volume at walls anywhere until enough sticks to make a noticeable and untidy mess.
The great majority of Americans — the great majority of Kansas would agree with just about every one of those items I posted about what Dems believe.
That’s why we’re going to continue to beat Repukes like a drum in the next election.
The only refutation you can muster is to call my list “communist.”
Okay, friend, you stick with that, and we’ll see how it works out for you a year from November . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 20, 2007 at 12:11 PM
The Dems may believe in those things Capn, but what are the Dems DOING to accomplish those objectives?
Actions speak louder then words.
Woops, should have been:
“In addition to his fear he’d have substance IF Mrs. Clinton NOT made a commitment — and NOT acted on, although in fact she HAS acted — to return all contributions bundled by Hsu to the respective individual donors.”
I’m blamin’ it on all the fancy syntax, which I should know by now is done far better by those far above my pay grade.
The Dems may believe in those things Capn, but what are the Dems DOING to accomplish those objectives?
Actions speak louder then words.
Posted by: Max | September 20, 2007 at 12:18 PM
My thoughts exactly Max.
Democrats, the party of impotence.
Scartch the surface and you find that capn is just a uptopian, stalinist, colectivist, mealy mouthed little prick, like most libs.
forced integration in a multicultural pigstyfree speech but with hate crimes and speech codes to protect his pets from having their feelings hurtguaranteed minimum incomeabrogation of state’s rightsfighting against nature to try and create “equality” where none existscoddling of criminals, terrorist, illegals and other scumpunish the rugged individualism upon which this country was founded etc, etc, etc,
Yup, another Civil War is lookin’ migthy good to me just now!
JOIN THE GNOSTIC LIBERATION FRONT TODAY!!
It just constantly astounds me how juvenile so many people on this blog are…
Is it REALLY that god awful hard to stop SNIPING at each other and maybe LISTEN for once? No, we all have to resort to name-calling and mudslinging and trolling and any other behavior more reminiscent of a 5 year old than adults…
Get over it! We all have a right to our own opinion. Stop calling each other “communists” and “Republipukes” when someone disagrees with something you say, and if you don’t agree, IGNORE them… You know what they say about a child throwing a tantrum? Leave the room… Sound advice since so many people on this blog (ON BOTH SIDES) seem to act like toddlers…
Countdown to someone calling me names now begins in 5….4…..3…..2…..1
…no one I know gives a rip that the top three Repub candidates dissed their forum.Posted by: outlander | September 20, 2007 at 10:09 AM
Not sure Castillo’s attempts to dehomogenize “values voters” long enough to salvage 2008 elections will work, given this from Dobson yesterday:—————————————…”Isn’t Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won’t talk at all about what he believes, and can’t speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?” Dobson wrote.
“He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent ‘want to.’ And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!”————————————
Not for Thompson, anyway.
LOL
Please, RR GOPers: Place. Petard. Of. Unity. In. Gut. Hoist.
Capn
About the only thing you left off of your list was a good eugenics program to wipe out all human frailty. I wonder if that’ll be in Hillary’s plan? Be a good way to cut medical expenses dontcha think?
I think values boy took a look at the values candidates in the values debate and got a good look at his own values.
And it aint pretty.
If Kansas Gnostic is an example of a “pure race,” all the more reason to avoid it.
Look at how defensive and hateful he is.
Sucks to be him . . .
Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_el_pr/dobson_thompson;_ylt=Akny_QeMi1p2AZwW7.sAv9ms0NUE
The Dems have the majority now. They claim to have won the majority by promising to end the Iraq war.
So, when are the Dems going to stop talking about it, and start DOING something about it?
If you can’t trust the Dems to keep their word, then why vote for them again in 2008?
I’m so happy that one of the very first actions taken by Democrats was to raise the minimum wage. That was far more important then dealing with the Iraq war, and it had such a huge impact too.
Oh, and when are the Dems going to pass the current fiscal budget? Are they on track to get that approved on time? I’m sure the Dems will control spending too, as they are so much different then the Republicans in fiscal control.
But unless the values shill has a conversion to reality a la Saul, I’m hard pressed to believe this isnt some attempt by him to save his weekly whine. Which, if the WE had ANY standards at all, would be gone next week with an apology for bias in its place.
Yeah. When sebelius stops supporting ethanol and coal…
Heh. So max is unhappy with the democrats because they are doing, and not doing, the same things as the republicans?
Priceless.
Who is kfg ranting about?
Evidently “values boy” is a tag that was before my time.
I don’t claim either party farmgirl.
Capn posted his big mission statement above about what all Dems beleive in.
My question, if what Capn said was true (I have my doubts), then what exactly are the Dems (now the majority in Congress) DOING about achieving their agenda?
I see no action from the Dems, lotsa hot air.
Farmgirl, your defense of the Dems is to claim the Dems are no worse then the Republicans.
Two Bad Political Parties, how can you support either one of them? They both SUCK!
Farmie,
You got a link to that OP?
Hey, farmgirl, cry me a freakin’ river! Ya want some cheese with that whine? Maybe values boy should be sent to a re-education camp where he can be “taught” to be tolerant???????
JOIN THE GNOSTIC LIBERATION FRONT TODAY!!
Kansas,
Farmgirl is just ranting and name calling.
No substance there at all.
She likes the sound of her own smart ass comments and think’s she’s cute.
Just like an onion though, keep peeling and there’s nothing inside, but brainwashed and died-in-the-wool Liberal Socialist Democrat.
The Forgotten Man has been Forgotten.
Capn
What’s this about a “pure race”?
“but brainwashed and died-in-the-wool Liberal Socialist Democrat.”
HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!!!!
Hey, you left out MARXIST!!!!!!!!
And, btw, I’m not a democrat. Just ask kelly…
heheheheheh. But I am a liberal, and thank you for pointing it out.
Unlike values boy, I’m not ashamed of what I am or the person I’ve been. I’m not running away from myself.
Self loathing. It’s not just for breakfast anymore…
From the white-power racist KS gnostic:
“forced integration in a multicultural pigsty”
Brent Castillo, a Wichita Eagle Editor is evidently “values boy.”
kfg is so foaming at the mouth against anything Christian, she devoted most of the open thread with her rant.
Too bad she can’t just call him out by his proper name instead of disguising her cowardice with a made up name.
Ha. I just read CapnAmerica’s Democrat’s manifesto. From what I can tell it is just a list of a few things everyone wants with some socialist garbage tossed in.
Let’s see.
-be told the truth by our gov’t.
OK. Everyone does.
-live in a DIVERSE society and celebrate that diversity.
You can live where you want and dance a diversity jig for all I care.
-hold a job that pays at least a living wage.
That’s up to the individual to attain that.
-live in a world in which I am not sickened by pollution caused by others for their profit.
So pollution not caused for profit is OK?
-live free from the threat of others possessing deadly weapons
So you in favor of gathering up all deadly weapons. Hyper gun control.
-live in a country committed to “justice for all” without regard to race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender AND that the country will actively work to reverse the effects of past discrimination.
So you’re for reparations, quotas, etc…
-eat safe food, buy safe products, travel on safe airlines guaranteed by regulations.
Everyone does. But “Regulation” doesn’t guarantee anything.
-speak freely and to be protected against degrading and hateful speech of others
In other words, you are saying, you can say what you want, but I can’t if it hurt anyone’s feelings. Free speech for socialists!
-invest and do business with companies legally bound to operate ethically and fairly (no Enrons – no sweat shop products)
Do business with whom you want.
-enjoy a gov’t that not only respects my privacy but actively protects my right to read what I want, communicate with whom I want, watch what I want, and do what I want so long as it does not harm others.
OK enjoy the government all you want. Sounds a little nanny state like though.
-have a political system uncorrupted by money politics and concentrations of wealth
Yeah, sure. Tell Mr. Hsu and Hillary about that. Oh, and John Kerry and George Soros.
-live in a society in which gov’t does not actively help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (like we have now)
OK.
-get access to information from a wide variety of competing media sources (as opposed to a few giant media conglomerates like we have now)
You got the liberal MSM media already. Quit bitching.
-live free from the power of huge unregulated corporations making decisions in our lives: HMO’s telling us what surgery we can have, car co.’s forcing us to drive gas-guzzling polluting cars, credit card co’s deciding our interest rates, food providers deciding how much filth we eat, polluters deciding how much pollution we breathe and drink
What a load of malarky this one is. Don’t have the surgery, walk or ride your bike, go organic, eat organic crap and drink bottled water.
-to live in a country governed by the traditional principle of empathy and responsibility not only for ourselves but for our neighbors -to live in a country in which the gov’t doesn’t actively encourage more selfish individualism (what we have now)
In other words, individual achievement is a bad things.
Some of that is tongue and cheek. But what a silly exercise your list was.
Good post outlander…
Shows what a self-absorbed narcissist the Capn is and how he thinks his posts are actually important.
Fap fap fap kansas…
Nice response kfg, but it doesn’t change the fact you are selling your own brand of snake oil and calling it opinion worthy of acknowledgment.
You and fleettwood hanging around together kfg? Exercising your “fapper” a little too much these days?
Umm, outlander, your comment makes no sense at all:
“enjoy a gov’t that not only respects my privacy but actively protects my right to read what I want, communicate with whom I want, watch what I want, and do what I want so long as it does not harm others.
OK enjoy the government all you want. Sounds a little nanny state like though. ”
How is a government that PROTECTS your rights to do those things a “nanny state”??? I’d say our current system of tapping anyones phone lines that we feel like it to keep tabs and make sure they aren’t playing with the bad kids is more “nanny state”
Capn
Do you have a “Bario” in Sedgwick county or are you going to have govt. “integrate” one of those from L.A.?
capn = silly exercise monkey
Farm girl! Throw us a bone. Help us out!
What Castillo column has your panties all in a wad and where can we read it?
If it has your knickers in a bunch I’m sure some of us here would really enjoy it.
Hank
From Wikipedia – opinions by a legal scholar on the MCA, habeas corpus and unlawful enemy combatant status.
“The text of the law states that its “Purpose” is to “establish procedures governing the use of military commissions to try alien unlawful enemy combatants engaged in hostilities against the United States for violations of the law of war and other offenses triable by military commission.”
“While the most controversial provisions in the law refer to alien unlawful enemy combatants, earlier provisions (section 948a) refer to unlawful enemy combantants, not excluding U.S. citizens. Therefore, there is some controversy over whether this law affects the rights of habeas corpus for United States citizens.”
“Legal and Constitutional scholar Robert A. Levy commented that the Act denies habeas rights only to aliens, and that U.S. citizens detained as “unlawful combatants” would still have habeas rights and could challenge their indefinite detention.[6]
“While formally opposed to the Act, Human Rights Watch has also concluded that the new law limits the scope of trials by military commissions to non-U.S. citizens including all legal aliens. [7]
“CBS legal commentator Andrew Cohen has commented on this question and writes that the “suspension of the writ of habeas corpus – the ability of an imprisoned person to challenge their confinement in court—applies only to resident aliens within the United States as well as other foreign nationals captured here and abroad” and that “it does not restrict the rights and freedoms and liberties of U.S. citizens anymore than they already have been restricted.”
There you have it, legal opinion written by legal scholars backing up GMC’s opinion.
And he is right, we have discussed habeas corpus, unlawful enemy combatants and the MCA in spades many times before.
It appears the Democrits have very short memories or should I say selective memory.
I don’t claim either party farmgirl.Posted by: Max | September 20, 2007 at 12:40 PM
You don’t have to Max, it’s pretty obvious.
Next thing you’ll say is that your opinions are fair and balanced because you’re an independent.
Please post where I said ANYTHING like this: “Farmgirl, your defense of the Dems is to claim the Dems are no worse then the Republicans.”
Just reading what you WANT to hear?
Do you have a “Bario” in Sedgwick county or are you going to have govt. “integrate” one of those from L.A.?
Posted by: Heckler | September 20, 2007 at 01:04 PM
I take it you haven’t been on the north central side of Wichita lately, or ever?
“You and fleettwood hanging around together kfg?”
Only in my dreams!
Now I’m fapping at the thought of it.kfg = giggity
“And now that you have tarnished the “values” label, you want to toss it aside like used toilet paper?”
I’ve been (mostly) studiously ignoring Kansas politics, but I had to read THAT missive!
You nailed it, KFG! It appears the JIHAD has finally imploded, and the values boy would like us the coveniently forget what REALLY happened.
“While the most controversial provisions in the law refer to alien unlawful enemy combatants, earlier provisions (section 948a) refer to unlawful enemy combantants, not excluding U.S. citizens. Therefore, there is some controversy over whether this law affects the rights of habeas corpus for United States citizens.”===========================
And you just sweep this paragraph by a Legal Expert, under the carpet, and pretend that it doesnt exist???
That figures….
I dont see any Court rulings listed here…
Nor do I see any explanation of what happened to this Padilla guy, who IS a US Citizen, and was held without rights of Habeus Corpus…. Because BUSH issued an order getting around the LAW….
I cannot believe so many people on this Blog are SO willing to put their baic human rights on the line just to be at war in Iraq!!!
That kind of logic just doesnt make any sense….
See? This is EXACTLY the kind of schizophrenia I’m talking about when it comes to economic development in Kansas.
Close the freakin’ schools. Drain all the water. Shove all the taxation down to the local property owners.
And then?
Whine because there is no “affordable” housing in rural Kansas?
Jesus WEPT! This just makes me insane. Here’s a little clue for all the so called goddamn “professionals” in economic development.
There has been no NEW affordable housing constructed, and the existing housing stock is falling apart, because… wait for it….
The whole region is LOSING population faster than the irrigators and ethanol queens are draining the water!! There is no DEMAND for housing.
DUH!
When you start doing something to stop the population decline instead of insanely promoting ethanol and coal and big irrigation, THEN you can worry about housing.
Damn. Ya know. Just a little thing called supply and demand. There is NO demand, so now you wanna worry about the supply?
Jeebus. Laffer lives. And people wonder why the legislature and governor leadership have made a JOKE out of rural development in this state.
Hint: No one wants to live where there is no WATER!!!!
Start with the root causes of the decline in the quality of life out here, then create some demand for housing, then you can worry about tossing some subsidy bones to the construction industry.
‘Cause ya KNOW that is what this is leading up to…
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/housing092007
Next thing you’ll say is that your opinions are fair and balanced because you’re an independent.
Posted by: XXX | September 20, 2007 at 01:22 PM
I’m just as fair, balanced, and independent as farmgirl.
Well, Max, sometimes, that isnt saying much ROFL!!!
Oh, and watch for a BUNCH of handouts to the regional housing authorities so they can piss it away on all their subsidised housing programs that just never seem to quite work as planned.
Buracracy LIVES!
One more thing…
Could there BE more of an answer in search of a problem?
“I’m just as fair, balanced, and independent as farmgirl.”
Funny, but I dont recall SAYING I was any of those things. Or pretending either.
Still waiting on max to post where I defended the democrats as noted above.
That kind of logic just doesnt make any sense….
Posted by: Chas. | September 20, 2007 at 01:58 PM
Of course it makes no sense from you Chas. That comment came from a Constitutional Law Scholar.
Heaven forbid if someone who specializes in the constitutionality of the law who make a correct statement.
Chas your lack of concern over handing your entire medical record over to the federal government overrides any concerns you might have about habaeus corpus and Padilla.
I guess we pick and choose what is important to us individually.
Max where in Iowa are you? My grandson will be going to UNI this year. Beautiful part of the country.
kfg, I had to read that link to the “affordable rural housing shortage” piece three times to overcome the incredulity generated from the first read. You are correct that this seems to be an answer in search of a question.
Well, well, KsGrm… Kansas seems to have ALL of his medical records in the hands of the government as well… That doesnt seem to bother you at all… Why should mine be an issue???
I have never said I WANT the Government to have my medical records… Where DO you come up with your ludicrous JUNK postings???
Besides, KsGrm, if you cant figure out that there is about a million miles of difference between medical records, and the RIGHT to Habeus Corpus… Then YOU are one sick puppy!!!
Oh yeah, I knew it. Randy Hrabe and the Northwest Regional Planning Commission will have their hands all OVER this money. Article last week in the local paper that they want to subsidize the construction of two new houses in WaKeeney.
So.. if there was market demand, the PRIVATE sector wouldnt build it? And, btw, the last affordable housing they built was listed at over $100,000 in a community that had a median housing price more in the $50,000 range.
Your tax dollars at work.
These government agencies are ALWAYS in search of a problem who’s answer is to give them more money.
I think dumping some money into unnecessary rural housing programs is a bright and shiney object designed to distract us from the real damage sebelius and irsik are doing to the water supply out here.
And the sheeple sleep…
Thanks VT. I’m glad I’m not the only one to see the utter INSANITY of this.
Oops sorry, forgot the regional planning commission link.
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/County091807
“Well, well, KsGrm… Kansas seems to have ALL of his medical records in the hands of the government as well… That doesnt seem to bother you at all… Why should mine be an issue???”Posted by: Chas. | September 20, 2007 at 02:14 PM
You can ask Hank about this, but medical records do not belong to the individual, they belong to the Medical Facility that originates, updates them and stores them.
My medical records generated by the government belong to the government. I have to ask permission to get a copy of an entry.
The medical records at Wesley where I go occasionally are the property of Wesley Medical Center and do not belong to me.
I’m sure Hank will clarify, but I’ve dealt with this issue before.
Where DO you come up with your ludicrous JUNK postings???
Posted by: Chas. | September 20, 2007 at 02:14 PM
Chas does the term ‘nationalized’ health care ring any bells for you? Who do you think will be keeping the medical records? The tooth fairy.
Probably not, you really need more sleep at night.
Chas I just love when you throw big words like habeus corpus around!! It makes you sound so scholarly until you add your next sentence which always makes you look so silly.
Padilla wasn’t an angel as you would like to protray him. I AM GLAD they imprisoned him. Probably saved innocent American lives. Sorry you and I don’t agree on this. By the way have any agents came to your door lately seeking to imprison you?
In addition I have no way of knowing who has Kansas’ medical files. We aren’t personally acquainted.
Okay, let me get this straight.
The federal government–specifically, the Executive branch–can you label you, haul you off to be held in isolation for YEARS, and, if they deign to ALLOW you to talk to an attorney, can listen in and transcribe evey word. No charges, nothing to defend. You’re in limbo until the government says you can leave. You might also experience the joys of “enhanced interrogation techniques” and, if your stay in a U.S. brig or even Gitmo becomes politically inconvenient, no problem! Of to Eastern Europe, where no one will even theoretically know your whereabouts.
What could be scarier than that?
Oh, right: An overworked, underpaid bureaucrat having access to your medical history. Or–if it’s done right–your own doctor.
Can nasty things be done with that info? YOU BET. Database America is a serious issue.
But let’s keep some perspective, folks.
P.S. I guess the point of disconnect is a rather naive faith in the government only messing with confirmed “baddies.”
In other words, let’s throw out any standards of proof, and trust our wise leaders. It’s Jose Padilla, it’s not me. It won’t be me.
But it CAN be you. Why is this so hard to understand?
And just why does it HAVE to be you?
In other words, let’s throw out any standards of proof, and trust our wise leaders. It’s Jose Padilla, it’s not me. It won’t be me. Posted by: Rage | September 20, 2007 at 02:53 PM
That’s right Rage, one person out of over 300,000,000. That one person (Padilla) will be serving time after being prosecuted for crimes against the United States.
Are you plotting to commit crimes against the United States Rage?
Is that why you are worried?
If Kansas Gnostic is an example of a “pure race,” all the more reason to avoid it.
Look at how defensive and hateful he is.
Sucks to be him . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Sounds like you. XXX and CapnAmerica talk alot alike. Hmmmm, Sock Puppets anyone?
“Are you plotting to commit crimes against the United States Rage?
Is that why you are worried?”
Thanks for making my point, Senator McCarthy.
News flash, idiot: He was only prosecuted after the courts declined to allow the Executive’s branch’s Star Chamber to render their own judgment. He was held for YEARS without charge or recourse. And he wasn’t even charged with the original offense (”dirty bomb? oh, well, whatever, nevermind!”).
Principles of law are, in theory, applied equally. Maybe you’re believing this administration has one set of laws for the bad guys, and another for the rest of us.
Their approach to, say, even peaceful dissent makes one wonder if this administration has any law other than its own.
Again, Padilla was not even charged–ever–of the original accusation. If you want to make a “24″-type argument about bending the rules until they got the goods, whatever–the fact remains that they held an American citizen incommunicado for 3½ years without charge. THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS!
If that’s the law, it’s the LAW, and it applies to you–or me. Is that really the America you want?
“If that’s the law, it’s the LAW, and it applies to you–or me. Is that really the America you want?”
Yep.
I don’t want the type that Hillary and her ilk want, the kind that can illegally obtain over 900 FBI files and use them against their political opponents.
Hank
Or, Hank, the use of IRS records by the Nixon White House to go after those on the “enemies list”.
VT,
what is your take on Habeas corpus?
If that’s the law, it’s the LAW, and it applies to you–or me. Is that really the America you want?
Posted by: Rage | September 20, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Padilla, an American citizen had his status changed so he was privy to his habeas corpus privilege and full rights under the law.
Since there is a precedent, there won’t be another occurrence.
So I ask you again Rage, are you worried that your future terroristic plots may be found out and you will be classified as an enemy combatant?
My take on the issue of habeas corpus under the MCA is the same as GMC’s, as posted way back when this issue first arose. While there is a disconnect in terminology contained within one area of the statute, IMHO, it is clear to me that the provisions of the MCA do not affect the right of a U.S. citizen to petition for a writ of habeas corpus, as opposed to there being no such right to petition if the individual is an alien, whether a “legal” alien or otherwise.
“classified as an enemy combatant”
Who determines that status?Under what guidelines is this status regulated?What is the oversight structure?
PUBLIC LAW 109–366—OCT. 17, 2006
948a. Definitions
”(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT.—(A) The term ‘unlawfulenemy combatant’ means—
All can be found here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/cheney/military_commissions_act.pdf
Interesting VT,
And I’m sure you can name at least one of the persons that was on Nixon’s list that there is evidence of being persecuted by the IRS.
I’m pretty sure that if you start GOOGLEing around all you will come up with is a bunch of lies with no proof from the White House Counsel at the time, John Dean. John Dean is a proven liar.
A good book to read about that whole Watergate mess is ‘Silent Coup’. It explains how John Dean helped bring down the president.
Name just one.
Hank
That gives the definition. Does not provide who decides who fits the bill.
What you are saying is that a single entity is judge and jury. No oversight.
Unless you can show otherwise.
“Chas does the term ‘nationalized’ health care ring any bells for you? Who do you think will be keeping the medical records? The tooth fairy.”
Grammy… I never said I favored your idea of nationalized health care… I simply said that there is a HUGE difference between Health records and Habeus Corpus, which was what YOU said… I did NOT say that….
THAT is why I asked you where you come up with your JUNK POSTINGS about what I say???
As for Kansas, I suppose since he is getting health care through the VA, possibly his records would belong to the government…
However, as a private citizen, MY HEALTH RECORDS are MINE!!They do NOT belong to the clinic, or to the Hospitals, or anybody else… they are MINE!!!
Why the sam hill do you think we have this HIPPA Act??? To PROTECT our… OUR… medical records….
So, Grammy, Where do you come off making some off the wall comparison between Habeus Corpus, and Medical Records???
And dont you EVEN say you didnt make that comparison…. It isnt too far back upthread….
Ahmadinejad to go to Ground Zero without NYPD approval?
Would it be a bad thing if something happened to him in NYC?
HIPAA Privacy Rule gives you the right to see, get a copy of, and amend (correct) your medical record by adding information to it.
It doesn’t mean you own the record itself.
If you owned the medical record, then you wouldn’t need the HIPAA ruling.
Another blunder by the Chas.
It appears the cowardly pro-war fascists have gone to beating up fathers who lose their sons in Iraq.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/20/gold-star-father-who-lost-son-in-iraq-allegedly-beaten-by-members-of-pro-war-group/#more-21571
Also, a Kansas military cemetery has run out of space because Brownback, Roberts and Tiahrt are getting too many Americans killed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2039677420070920?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
The neo-cons are absolutely pathetic. Just be more honest and put on your brown shirts and jackboots.
Ahmadinejad story:
http://www.nysun.com/article/63111
Chas.,
Unlike a client’s file in the office of a lawyer, one’s medical records are the property of the institution/entity which maintains them. Sounds counterintuitive, I know, but that’s the case.
Hank,
Well,gee, you asserted Mrs. Clinton acted unlawfully. Was she prosecuted?
Since you don’t accept John Dean’s position, guess I’ll have to try harder, huh?
DIEBOLD VOTING SWITCHING VOTES IN MEMPHIS
“At issue are those long, rectangle boxes. Jefferson said voters have complained that if they press too high or too low in the intended box, the wrong candidate would be selected. Jefferson also said the summary screen that voters can review before making their vote official is too small for some voters to read.
“Herenton, Carpenter and Jefferson also said some voters claim to have voted for a candidate but had the large red box with an X appear next to a different candidate, farther away on the ballot.”
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/sep/20/mayor-cites-irregularities-with-early-voting/
WRONG AGAIN Troll Kansas… you smug little devil you… MY medical records are MINE… They belong to ME…. Ask any lawyer who your records belong to… Yours might belong tothe government, since you are on VA care… I cant speak to that… But, MY RECORDS belong to ME… and the HIPPA act prevents my records shared with others without MY consent… or my health condition shared with others without MY consent…. HIPPA might have something to do with me editing records…. but the records are MINE… and HIPPA exists to make SURE MY records are protected from others…
Even the ACLU supported fascist Rush Limbaugh to keep his medical records private. Apparently the troll thinks that his uninformed opinion is fact. It just proves that neo-cons seldom know what they are talking about.
VT when I was in Chemo in Iowa, I had to SIGN for them to even share those records with another physician…. and when my Chemo was done… I had to SIGN for them to keep a copy of those records… the originals were given to me after treatments were completed
Hank,
I guess Congress was wrong, then, in amending the IRC to clearly spell out the wrongfulness of an IRS employee in disclosing information in the IRS files to others absent a specific set of circumstances post-Watergate. If Mr. Dean was untruthful, there wouldn’t be any reason to make this change would there?
Medical records are the property of the medical provider (or facility) that prepares them. This includes films and tracings from diagnostic imaging procedures such as x-ray, CT, PET, MRI, ultrasound, etc. The patient has a right to view the originals, and to obtain copies.
Back when Conservatives were really, you know, *conservative* rather than fascist, people such as Barry Goldwater made it quite clear that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not exist to *grant* rights, but to prevent the government from denying rights.
Now the Bush/Cheney/Gonzales cabal has unilaterally claimed the right to deny habeas corpus, legal counsel, and privacy by executive fiat; if Shrub says you’re an “illegal combatant,” that’s what you are. Stalin’s gulags worked the same way. The Third Reich’s concentrations operated the same way.
Frankly, I think it’s been demonstrated since December, 2000, that the Democrats have a lot more respect for the Constitution of the United States than the Bushies. I don’t think it would happen, but thanks to the precedent established by George WMD Bush, a President Hillary Clinton would have the right to declare Phyllis Schlafley, James Dobson, Bill Orally, and the entire flock of Limbaugh-tomized masses “illegal combantants” and ship ‘em off to Gitmo without hearing, trial, or any legal recourse.
Right, Chas., you had to waive doctor-patient privilege for your records to be shared. And, I’m sure you had to agree that the copy of the records could be maintained rather than returned to the forwarding physician. The fact you received the originals (probably were copies in many cases) back doesn’t go to ownership.
An excerpt fromThey Thought They Were FreeThe Germans, 1933-45Milton Mayer
But Then It Was Too Late”What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.
“This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.”
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
Capn keeps referring to Nazis.
I guess Capn just loves the sound of jackboots marching in unison.
I don’t think it would happen, but thanks to the precedent established by George WMD Bush, a President Hillary Clinton would have the right to declare Phyllis Schlafley, James Dobson, Bill Orally, and the entire flock of Limbaugh-tomized masses “illegal combantants” and ship ‘em off to Gitmo without hearing, trial, or any legal recourse.
Posted by: Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker | September 20, 2007
Hmm. That’s not what the MCA says, I believe.
We know what you believe, “littlejohn.”
And, in the second act of Peter Pan if you clap your hands and believe in fairies, Tinkerbell will come back to life.
OVERLAND PARK, Kansas (Reuters) – A Kansas military cemetery has run out of space after the burial of another casualty of the Iraq war, officials said on Thursday.
“We are full,” said Alison Kohler, spokeswoman for the Fort Riley U.S. Army post, home of the 1st Infantry Division.
U.S. Sens. Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts, both Kansas Republicans, on Thursday sent a letter to William Tuerk, the under secretary for memorial affairs at the Department of Veterans Affairs, urging for full funding for a new cemetery for Fort Riley.
“While a new cemetery would not be completed in time to alleviate this situation immediately, it is vitally important,” Roberts and Brownback, a Republican presidential candidate, said in their letter.
“We truly owe our military members a debt of gratitude and the least we can do is provide them with an honorable burial ground,” the senators wrote.
Since the 2003 beginning of the war in Iraq, Fort Riley has lost 133 soldiers and airmen, though not all are buried in the Fort Riley cemetery. Sgt Joel Murray, who died September 4 in Iraq, took the last available plot, said Kohler.
Fort Riley can bury bodies on top of other bodies if family members want to share a plot, said Kohler.
Ltp-
Instead of giving me shit, why don;t you read the statute? It clearly states what an illegal combatant is. Your post was simple hyperbole. Or BS. Whichever you want to claim.
“You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.
“Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
“Once the war began,” my colleague continued, “resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was ‘defeatism.’ You assumed that there were lists of those who would be ‘dealt with’ later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a ‘victory orgy’ to ‘take care of’ those who thought that their ‘treasonable attitude’ had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty.
“Once the war began, the government could do anything ‘necessary’ to win it; so it was with the ‘final solution of the Jewish problem,’ which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its ‘necessities’ gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it.
Even though the libs will like it, I have to admit I got a chuckle out of this one.
The War Department briefed the President this morning. They told Bush that two Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq.
To everyone’s amazement, all the color drained from Bush’s face, then he collapsed onto his desk, head in hands, visibly shaken, almost in tears.
Finally he composed himself and asked, “Just exactly how many is a
Brazilian?”
Who is giving money to Planned Parenthood abortion mills, besides taxpayers?The current boycott lists include AlphaGraphics, television broadcasting firm Arizona Lotus, BolchalkFReY Marketing, Kara-Line (Wild Carrots apparel), hotel and resort operator Lowe Enterprises, Scolari’s Food & Drug, Neiman Marcus, software maker Adobe, Wachovia, Golub (which operates Price Chopper supermarkets), Nike, Time Warner, Unilever, Bank of America, the Dallas Cowboys, CIGNA, Walt Disney, Johnson & Johnson, Wells Fargo, Whole Foods Market, Nationwide insurance, American Cancer Society, Camp Fire girls, The Dr. Phil Foundation, Girls Inc., Girl Scouts, Human Rights Watch, Kiwanis Clubs, the March of Dimes, Rotary Clubs, Rotary International, The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, YWCA, Basics Office Products, JPMorgan Chase (including Chase Bank, & Bank One), Lost Arrow (Patagonia), CCA Global (Carpet One, Flooring America, Flooring Canada, Flooring One, Lighting One, etc.), Comcast (cable television, Internet, etc.), Chevron (including Caltex, Xpress Lube, & Texaco), eBay (including PayPal), OSI Restaurant Partners (Outback Steakhouse, etc.), Marriott (including Courtyard Hotels, Fairfield Inn, Renaissance Hotels & Inns, Ritz-Carlton Hotels, etc.), Valero (Beacon, Ultramar, etc.), Sears (Kmart), Sonic (drive-in restaurants), Time Warner (HBO, Cinemax, AOL, etc.), Outward Bound West, American Automobile Association (AAA), Kaiser Permanente, American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), Lions Club, and American Diabetes Association.Special reports are coming on how Rotary International and its local clubs are working to advance the Culture of Death with population control programs.Boycott ‘em.
Capn, your Nazi story describes what will happen under Hillary Clinton, when she incrementally takes all of our rights away, starting with Healthcare choices, then gun registration/bans, personal asset redistribution, etc…
Chevron (including Caltex, Xpress Lube, & Texaco)
Another way to help the environment
OK, Vaughn… How do you explain that I am now in possession of all of my Medical Records… NOT the Chemo Treatment center??
I am not trying to pick a fight, but I have been told numerous times by physician providers that my medical records belong to ME…
I sign paperwork, in order for them to hold them “in trust” unless or until, I want them for myself…
Please explain, VT??
Oh well, not really important… It would not have come up if KsGrm wouldnt have tried to link Medical Records to Habeus Corpus…
She seems to think that nationalized health care means the Government RUNS the medical clinics or some such thing…
Chas., no explanation here. That is a different rationale than I’ve heard, but as I’m not involved in the need to acquire medical records (either personally or otherwise) often, if at all, things may have changed. In making my earlier comments, I was operating from memory, and some cases, etc., I’d read over the years. And, Chas., for all I know, there are differing laws in the different states that alter my understanding of the general rule.
In any event, thanks for the additional information.
Kansas — I dont want to hear from you on this matter either… As far as I am cocerned, you are, as of today, a persona non grata… Anybody who would side with Bush’s Veto on SCHIP, doesnt deserve a civil response from anybody…
What’s your problem??? You jealous because you never had any kids to spoil, and pamper, and love, and take care of???
I guess some people never learn the lessons learned by Ebenezer Scrooge…
Maybe Marley will come visit you some night when you want to sleep!!
GLOBAL WARMING SOLVED!
Evolutionists and Creationists meet to pray and solve GW problem!
Who said science and religion don’t mix?
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/GlobalWarming/story?id=3572327
Religious leaders from all over the world met at the mouth of a melting glacier in Greenland today to say a silent prayer for the planet, appealing to mankind to address the impact that humanity is having on life on Earth.
A group of nearly 200 scientists, theologians and government officials sailed into the ice fields of the Illulissat Icefjord, the largest glacier in Greenland that is bearing the brunt of global warming.
No problem… thanks for your input as well… I will keep your thoughts in mind when moving to others states, as I do from time to time…
The information in the records are considered private, although medicolegal fuzzy areas allow physicians to share records with research and other physician groups.
The actual record itself is a product of the entity that creates and maintains it.
I also have a copy of my medical records Chas, it is just good practice if you want to safeguard information that happened in the past. For me, my V.A. eligible related injuries.
However, I had to request to get those copies and ergo – the records do not belong to me, they are the property of the government.
The same with the medical records at Wesley, they are kept by Wesley, I must sign a form to request a copy. Thusly, the records itself belongs to the medical provider facility.
but the records are MINE… and HIPPA exists to make SURE MY records are protected from others…
Posted by: Chas. | September 20, 2007 at 04:11 PM
Chas that would be HIPAA – - not HIPPA (thats the animal) – which stands for Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. If you look closely you won’t find the word privacy. That came from Teddy Kennedy when he rewrote the act which was originally intended to allow terminated employees to take their insurance with them – thus the word portability. This would have protected people being turned down for existing conditions and long term illnesses.
Max, will be interesting to find out what comes as a result of that meeting in Greenland… I would guess that SOME of those religious leaders will get a good eye opening… Others will remain closed-minded as always…
“Kansas — I dont want to hear from you on this matter either… As far as I am cocerned, you are, as of today, a persona non grata… Anybody who would side with Bush’s Veto on SCHIP, doesnt deserve a civil response from anybody…” Posted by: Chas. | September 20, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Tough toenails Chas.
You comment here on the blog, I comment here on the blog.
Don’t want me to comment on your comments, then don’t post here.
Well, Granny, have it your way… You will anyway, no matter what ANYbody says to you… because some people just have to be right, even when they are dead wrong… have a nice vacation… Better take a lot of Left Screen if you are headed for the Left Coast…
Comment all you want Child Hater!!
Your comments will be ignored totally… Child Haters dont deserve to comment on things anyway…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_record#Ownership
OwnershipIn the United States, the data contained within the medical record belongs to the patient, whereas the physical form the data takes belongs to the entity responsible for maintaining the record. Therefore, patients have the right to ensure that the information contained in their record is accurate. Patients can petition their health care provider to remedy factually incorrect information in their records.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Information_Bureau
MIB Group, Inc., also known as the Medical Information Bureau, is a nonprofit credit rating agency serving the North American insurance industry.
MIB collects and furnishes information on consumers to all MIB members, approximately 500 member insurance companies, for use in the insurance underwriting process. In addition to an individual’s credit history, data collected by MIB may include medical conditions, driving records, criminal activity, and participation in hazardous sports, among other facts. MIB’s member companies account for 99 percent of the individual life insurance policies and 80 percent of all health and disability policies issued in the United States and Canada.
According to MIB, most people do not have an MIB record, and only 15 to 20 out of every 100 insurance applications generate an MIB record.
MIB is based in Westwood, Massachusetts, and was established in 1902.
Request a copy of your MIB file
http://www.mib.com/html/request_your_record.html
Request Your MIB Consumer File
MIB will provide consumers with copies of their MIB consumer file, once annually without charge!
To obtain free copy of your consumer file, you must call MIB’s toll-free phone number listed below.
A few things to bear in mind before you call -
If you have not applied for individually underwritten life, health, or disability income insurance during the preceding seven year period, MIB will not have a consumer file (consumer report information) on you.
We will ask you for personal identification information to assist us in locating a consumer file, if one exists. We may validate the identification information that you provided with other consumer reporting agencies.
You will be asked to certify under penalty of perjury that the information you provided about yourself to request disclosure your MIB consumer file is accurate, complete and you represent that you are the person that is requesting disclosure.
MIB’s toll-free number for disclosure is 866-692-6901(TTY 866-346-3642 for hearing impaired)
Upon receipt of your (a) request for a Record Search and Disclosure, and (b) proper identification, MIB will initiate the disclosure process and provide you with:
the nature and substance of information, if any, that MIB may have in its consumer files pertaining to you;
the name(s) of the MIB member companies, if any, that reported information to MIB; and,
the name(s) of the MIB member companies, if any, that received a copy of your MIB consumer file during the twelve (12) month period preceding your request for disclosure.
MIB is committed to the philosophy that every consumer should be entitled to know the contents of his or her consumer file maintained by MIB and has the right to correct any inaccurate or incomplete information in the record.
Kansas the way doctors get around this is that there were when I was involved, 5 identifiers, name, ssn, address, birthdate, city of origin. These could not be shared.
This is done so that records can be used to identify health trends, warnings, etc… Without these, demographic information would be incomplete. So the researchers can look at general location, sex, age, occupation, weight, and other non-identifiers to look at medical trends.
Kansas, sorry I have been in and out all day. Mow the lawn day and had to fix the mower first.
Did I miss something? Was the $80,000 number wrong or what.
I would veto it too at that number. Guess that means I am in trouble, also.
Chas, Chas, Chas you just leave yourself open so often sometimes I just can’t resist. As for always having to be right – I think you were looking in the mirror and just thought it was me. Who knows?
Actually I am going to the right coast. DC in fact after South Carolina so I might run into some of the left coasters.
Hey, capn, why weren’t you down in Jena with the other parasites showing your support for those six, cowardly black criminals who jumped that lone White kid?
Criminals helping criminals/parasites is the liberal way, aint it??????
http://www.ufcw.org/press_room/index.cfm?pressReleaseID=220
UFCW connection with Planned Parenthood.
Makes sense to put meat packing plants next door with Planned Parenthood clinics.
“Well,gee, you asserted Mrs. Clinton acted unlawfully. Was she prosecuted?”
Come on VT, you’re better than that!
With logic like that if your house was burglarized and you knew who did it but the police and prosecutor refused to collect enough evidence to charge the person does that mean your house wasn’t burglarized?
You asserted that Nixon used his list to harass people with the IRS. I asked for evidence of one person that it happened to. Just one.
By your logic, was anyone in the IRS charged or prosecuted for victimizing anyone on the list? Was anyone in the Nixon White House ever charged or prosecuted for using the IRS against anyone?
Come on man, we’re having a dialog on a subject you brought up!
The people on Nixon’s enemy list were actually proud to find out they were targeted! Hell, Bill Cosby even did a whole routine about it. Some abuse of government power!
Hank
Well, Granny, looks like I was right after all on medical records… Now, suppose you finish off with your JUNK post on how the hell Medical Records are connected in ANY way to Habeus Corpus???
George Bush just claimed that Saddam Hussein killed Nelson Mandela. Forget the fact that Nelson Mandela is alive.
Is this pResident of ours mentally ill or is he just continuing to convince people that he sucks at history? Previously he said that 9/11 was the first time America got attacked on our shores. I guess he forgot about the War of 1812 when the British burned the White House.
Man this guy is an idiot, but he’s on par with his supporters.
chas– The ALL CAPS store wants their money. Please to be paying up. The EXCLAIMATION STORE is knocking, too.
Hud, the 80,000 was proven to be correct as posted by Vaughn Tolle.
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Chas,
Child hater eh?
Aren’t we the mature minister? NOT
Medical Records.
I know about medical records.
We need to define some terms here such as ownership, rights, responsibilities.
Any doctor or medical facility that diagnoses or treats you in any way owns and must keep records of those services. The actual physical records belong to the facility.
On the other hand, they are ‘your’ records. You have a right to have a copy of them. You have a right to be notified any time the medical facility shares them with a third party.
In certain instances you must give your written permission for that facility to share the records with a third party. However, there is at least 22 circumstances that I know of that the facility can or must share them without your permission. However, even then they must inform you that they have shared them if you have signed a request for them to give you that information.
Since a medical facility must keep a copy of your records for a minimum of ten years there is no way that you have the right to demand or get every copy of your medical records. In many cases with modern technology it is possible for copies to be identical to the originals but the facility would never give you the originals for legal reasons.
Hank
Chas just because you said you were right didn’t make it so. Obviously you don’t own your medical records. How many people have told you that here today?
Will you never learn. Why do you put yourself there to be ridiculed so often. A little restraint would serve you well. Work on that. I just bet you can do it. After all you do council people and should be able to help yourself if you concentrate really hard.
I dont recall mentioning my vocation on this blog today… I wonder why it has appeared as if by magic, in a discussion about medical records, and earlier Habeus Corpus… Why would anybody be so dumb and stupid as to say something about my Vocation?? Gee, the forrest gump syndrome is in high gear today!!
Oh, but Granny, I DO own my records… didnt you read the link above, and Hank just now???
The RECORDS are MINE…. the paper, etc., might not be mine, but the RECORDS are mine!!
And, no, I do not Council people… If anything, I Counsel, or advise… But I have never Counciled ANYbody!!
Just go on your vacation, and leave me the hell alone!!!
Well, you super-christian wench, why do YOU choose to use ridicule, and belittling people constantly that dont agree with you, or share your beliefs!!
I think I remember seeing that YOU dont want the SCHIP program approved either…
So, I guess YOU join Kansas on my Persona Non Grata list as well… Just go do your vacation… It looks like you NEED it!!!
Dinner time.. Outta here till later!!!
I hear South Carolina is nice this time of year… I know North Carolina is… :-)
“Man this guy is an idiot, but he’s on par with his supporters”. -Doug
Doug, how can we possibly compete with razor sharp comments like that? You have to ease up on us.
Oh chas you mean because your name is on them they are yours. Of course your name is there how else would they know where to file you? I could give them some suggestions if they asked.
Thanks for the help with counsel. See you can be useful sometimes.
I gave no opinion of SCHIP and if you want to go back to when you first mentioned my name today you will see who threw the first punch – I still have not stooped to your level of name calling or characterized your post as JUNK.
Now you have fun hear!
Max–
You are willfully ignoring the part about “war requires secrecy and even people who don’t support the war with enough enthusiasm are ‘defeatists.’”
Remember when the Republican’s came out with their despicable “Defeatocrats” slander?
Yup. You don’t hear it so much anymore, do you . . .
You CONs are worried about a possible Hillary presidency when Worst. President. Ever. has us bogged down in Vietnam II right now.
Brilliant.
Dear ksgrm,
None are so blind as those that will not see. (Or at least have the reading comprehension skills of a third grader.
From my post:
Any doctor or medical facility that diagnoses or treats you in any way owns and must keep records of those services. The actual physical records belong to the facility.
From wikipedia:
“OwnershipIn the United States, the data contained within the medical record belongs to the patient, whereas the physical form the data takes belongs to the entity responsible for maintaining the record.”
Hank
Granny wont admit she was wrong… wont ever happen…
Sure sounded like Granny was siding with Kansas on the SCHIP issue… sounded totally against it, cause some folks she knew of had Healthwave and worked at Boeing… Sure looked that way to me… Of course, it could be that her keyboard put something there without telling her first…
Always look on the bright side of life… Isnt that what they used to sing on that old Brit show on PBS??? Well, this is for the brighter side >>>>>
Grandma’s letter. She is eighty-eight years old and still drives her
own car. She writes:
Dear Granddaughter,
The other day I went up to our local Christian book store and saw a “Honk if you love Jesus” bumper sticker. I was feeling particularly sassy that day because I had just come from athrilling choir performance, followed by a thunderous prayer meeting.
So, I bought the sticker and put it on my bumper.Boy, am I glad I did, what an uplifting experience that followed!
I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection, just lost in thought about the Lord and how good he is, and I didn’t notice that the light had changed. It is a good thing someone else loves Jesus, because if he hadn’t honked, I’d never have noticed. I found that lots of people love Jesus!
While I was sitting there, the guy behind started honking like crazy,
and then he leaned out of his window and screamed, “For the love of God! Go! Go! Go! Jesus Christ, GO! What an exuberant cheerleader he was for Jesus!
Everyone started honking! I just leaned out my window and started
waving and smiling at all those loving people. I even honked my horn a few times to share in the love!
There must have been a man from Florida back there, because I heard him yelling something about a sunny beach.
I saw another guy waving in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air. I asked my young teenage grandson in the back seat what that meant. He said it was probably a Hawaiian good luck sign or something.
Well, I have never met anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him the good luck sign right back. My grandson burst out laughing. Why even he was enjoying this religious experience!!
A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and started walking towards me. I bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I attended, but this is when I noticed the light had changed.
So, I waved at all my brothers and sisters grinning, and drove on
through the intersection. I noticed that I was the only car that got through the intersection before the light changed again and felt kind of sad that I had to leave them after all the love we had shared.
So I slowed the car down, leaned out the window and gave them all the Hawaiian good luck sign one last time as I drove away.
Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks!!
Will write again soon,Love,
Grandma
As it usually goes, the democrats are using poor children and their health care as political pawns.
Republicans are not against SCHIP as it now exists. They are against the democrats using the renewal of the program as a means of expanding health care to illegal aliens and ‘children’ up to 25 years old at tax payer’s expense.
If the Senate and the House come up with a compromise bill that allows a family of four with an income of four times the poverty level to qualify for SCHIPs and if they allow illegal aliens to qualify for benefits that they aren’t allowed now then the president has promised to veto the bill. The republicans have enough support to sustain the veto.
If the veto happens, both sides have agreed to immediately extend the current program. No child that now qualifies for SCHIP will ever lose his benefits. However, a 25 year old Mexican born in Juarez will lose out.
I, like all the thinking people on this BLOG am against the SCHIP legislation passed by the House and Senate.
Now all of the non-thinking democrat kool-aid drinkers can call me a “child hater”.
Hank
Spot on Hank and that is what will happen I’m sure. The dems are desperate but giving healthcare to an illegal up to age 25 is a little much even for them. I guess some of the posters didn’t read what was involved in the bill that was voted down.
I do understand Chas a little better though. Since he shared that letter with us from his grandma – I understand it is an inherited trait. What a heritage! I can now go on vacation knowing Chas is in good hands.
Ksgrm, please do not leave us alone with all the bad guys.
Hud if I get close to a computer I might check in every now and then but seeing as how I’ll be in the same town as our favorite blog targets, well except for Chas, I might not be able to.
While in DC I plan to check the senate attendance records to see who really misses the most votes. It will be between Sam, Hillary and Barack I’m sure.
Just remember you can’t throw stones at Chas unless he throws the first one.
Would someone point me in the direction to find the cost of healthcare for illegal aliens in the U.S.?
I am finding a lot on some states and some areas but nothing covering the total.
Hey ksgrm,
Joyce and I are leaving for ten days starting next Wednesday morning. We’ll be in PA, taking the dogs in the RV to the National Specialty herding trials.
I’ll check in now and then if I can find wifi.
Hank
Republicans…for a social program?
SOCIALISTS!
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Same here Hud, just states relating costs because I suppose a lot of hospitals are privately owned and don’t report the same as municipally owned hospitals.
I’ll print what I have here though.
A study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated that in 2004 the annual uncompensated cost of medical care for illegal immigrants in California was $1.4 billion.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/12/26/170334.shtml
The Florida Hospital Association surveyed 28 hospitals and found that health care for illegal aliens totaled at least $40 million in 2002. Among the changes recommended are:http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/health_care.htm
Illegal Aliens and American Medicine (PDF/Scholarly review)http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf
CHILLING COSTS OF ILLEGAL ALIEN MIGRATION(general article)http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty2.htm
FAIR estimates “there are currently between 287,000 and 363,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year.”
The Cochise County, Arizona Health Department spends as much as 30 percent of its annual $9 million budget on illegal aliens. The Copper Queen Hospital in Bisbee, Arizona, has spent $200,000 in uncompensated services out of a net operating budget of $300,000. The University Medical Center in Tucson may lose as much as $10 million and the Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center, also in Tucson, has lost $1 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2002.
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/health_care.html
Estimating the number of illegal immigrants in Tarrant County at 107,000, the study calculated that expanding the charity program would cost the hospital district an additional $41.3 million right now. That number would increase to $114.4 million by 2017, according to the study.http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/091607dnmetjpsvote.2c34137.html
http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.htmlThe Center for Medicaid Services at the Dept. of Health and Human Services reported that for FY 2001, the health care costs for illegal immigrants in California were over $648 million. California paid 47 percent of these costs, or $304,785,368, for this mandate.http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.html
Illegal aliens consume $3.7 Billion annually in Medicare and Medicaid benefits since 40% of illegal aliens are on U.S. Welfare (Federation for American Immigration Reform)$1.6 billion is spent annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe illegal aliens who fill 32% of our Federal and state prisons (Fox News Channel O Reilly Factor).http://www.topix.net/news/immigration/2007/09/immigrants-cost-health-care-system-littlehttp://www.topix.net/news/immigration/2007/09/immigrants-cost-health-care-system-little
Sergio now gets his health care at Los Angeles’ Venice Family Clinic. It’s the nation’s largest free clinic, and it cares for some 22,000 patients every year. Sergio’s mom pays between $5 and $10 for every visit, but each visit costs the clinic up to $120. The difference is picked up by contributions and taxpayershttp://abcnews.go.com/WN/TheAgenda/story?id=3264260&page=1
Some Oregon high schools are adopting Mexico’s public school curriculum to help educate Spanish-speaking students with textbooks, an online Web site, DVDs and CDs provided free by Mexico to teach math, science and even U.S. history.
The Oregon Department of Education and Mexico’s Secretariat of Public Education are discussing aligning their curricula so courses will be valid in both countries.
Similar ventures are under way in Yakima, Wash., San Diego, Calif., and Austin, Texas.
Wouldn’t you know the same state that thought my 5 year old granddaughter needed sexual orientation in kindergarten now thinks the US should merge our public education system with Mexico. I guess we know who will be picking up the bill for this.
Oh you’re on that kick again. It wasn’t SEXUAL ORIENTATION they taught her. YOU did that.
Bill Clinton is supposed to be on the Daily Show tonight. Be sure to watch!
What time and what channel, PMom??
well you just missed it, but it’ll rerun at midnight on Comedy Central.
You can watch the Colbert Report though, that’s just as great. It always comes on after the Daily Show.
“…there are currently between 287,000 and 363,000 children born to illegal aliens each year.”
And every one of them is a legal citizen of the USA… wow, those kids will be paying IN to Social Security when they grow up, and start working… If even half of them end up working, that will be that many more young workers paying into Soc. Sec.
Thanks PMom… I will check it out at midnite… Watching Saving Grace right now… :-)
Anybody happen to read The Forgotten Man, or is he forgotten?
Just curious, since this was written over 100 years ago, the language is too complex for most to read and understand, and since it’s old, most will claim it’s obsolete for today, sorta like the Bible, hus Chas?
You know what, I’m tired, it’s late, working men must sleep sometime, I really thought this was a great article (2.5 pages, though challenging to read) for all to read, but if no one gives a damn any more, then I don’t either. No point in pounding sand or beating your head against a brick wall.
Global Warming, Medical Records Files, Endless Other Bullshit, I really don’t care anymore….
If the world wants to be Socialist, then I might as well quit and stop working, and join everybody else.
Have a nice night all!
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm
Maybe we should take lessons from Mexico
Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.
That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:
immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Poblaci????r General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.
It is an interesting law — and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [ 1 ] Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.
Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.
Maybe we should take lessons from Mexico
Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they pressed for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.
That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:
immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Poblaci????r General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.
It is an interesting law — and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [ 1 ] Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.
Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.
Jerald
Australia has fairly strict immigration laws. An American married an Australian and was not allowed to move there due to health issues.
The former president of Mexico signed into Mexican law stringent requirements to be a government employee. You have to be native born Mexican. This covers almost every government job in the country. While he was signing it, he was protesting that our country was wanting to curb his citizens from sneaking across the border. Other countries around the world have various immigration policies, from mild to severe, but we are called racist to have one. Mexico has great resources and would be one of the richer countries in the world if the citizens focused on developing and using its resources.
Jerald, do you have to post half a book???
Right Anon… but as it is, the only wealth in Mexico seems to be the business tycoons, and wealthy industrialists!! Maybe thats why they want to get rid of their undesirables… ummm I mean illegal immigrants(in this country)
Well…… It’s that time….
Good Night; Good Luck; And God Bless; whatever you conceive Got to be…
Blessings all!!
Isaiah 44:6:
6 “This is what the LORD says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Great verse Max. Good night and Lord Bless.
“Well,gee, you asserted Mrs. Clinton acted unlawfully. Was she prosecuted?”
Come on VT, you’re better than that!
With logic like that if your house was burglarized and you knew who did it but the police and prosecutor refused to collect enough evidence to charge the person does that mean your house wasn’t burglarized?
Posted by: Hank Price | September 20, 2007 at 05:40 PM
Gee Hank,Too bad you didn’t feel that way about outing CIA agents or illegal wiretaps or lying about why we started a war, or the host of other things this administration has gotten away with.
There’s a word for that.
By the way, Hank…You got nothing.
Yes XXX,
And after carefully reading the several false premises of your post I still have nothing.
I still love ya,
Hank
Yes XXX,
And after carefully reading the several false premises of your post I still have nothing.
I still love ya,
Hank
Hank,
You win. I cannot find anything which discusses the “enemies list” and any use thereof which is not tied to Mr. Dean’s testimony.
Thanks for the recommendation on the book.
Finally, the 20th was not one of my better days.
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