Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s comments so far related to his U.S. visit require the suspension of disbelief. Examples:
“Our people are the freest people in the world, the most aware people in the world, the most enlightened.”
“The freest women in the world are women in Iran.”
“We want nothing but goodness and progress for the Iraqi nation.”
Iran’s nuclear efforts are “legal and for peaceful purposes.”
“In political relations right now, the nuclear bomb is of no use.”
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No one with any intelligence would fall for the bs this moron, who passes himself off as the president of Iran. He’s another tinpot dictator with the IQ of a raisen.
His straight-faced denial of any semblence of reality reminds me of Bush and his right-wing apologists . . .
Cap’N,
The resemblance between the Decider and Denier is, indeed, uncanny.
How long before Ahmadinejad starts appearing in a Flight Suit?
Make sure his flight suit is the type with the sleeves sewn shut!
I hear Iranians have Ahmadinejad-backwards clocks, too. . .
No, that’s a joke–but I suspect the man is another 28 percenter at this point. . .
Amazing similar to the gibberish that daily spews from the mouth of Our President. And more proof that your view depends on where you are standing.
I was struck by the similarites between his ’scientific’ approach to more holocaust scientific investigation, and the calls by the kansas taliban for more scientific studies for creationism. Two peas in a pod.
One thing for certain, the ‘decider’ definately doesn’t want to get into a debate with the ‘denier’. He’d have his half ass handed to him.
Whether you like it or not… George Bush is YOUR president. The president of the country that gives you the right to “true freedom”. If you want to bash Bush because he’s a republican and you’re a democrat… go ahead. But to bash him and compare him to a tyrant/dictator of a third world country is wrong. It is treasonous to defile your country in such a way. If you hate America that much… please leave.
You all are absolutely ridiculous comparing Ahmadinejad and President Bush. If you have any doubts as to whether there is a difference between life in the United States under Presidnet Bush, and life in Iran under Ahmadinejad, I encourage you to go live in Iran for a couple of years. I especially encourage you to go to Iran and advocate for abortion rights, tolerance for homosexuality, and equal rights for women, and see how you are treated!
You know, I don’t even like President Bush, but I think some of you have no idea what real evil and real oppression is.
The Phantom,
I beg to differ. Ahmaddinejad and Bush are two narcissitic peas in a pod. Each one is as self-righteous as he is incurious and imperious. They’re not even two sides of the same coin–they ARE the same coin. They’re made for each other. Projection and all that.
Let’s give them Star Trek fighting sticks and send them into the ring to duke it out. Let them destroy each other and leave the rest of us out of it.
I have serious reservations about bush’s legitimate right to presidency, in both elections.
Rob,
If MY use of the First Amendment elicts YOUR use of the “t-word,” it doesn’t speak well for your respect for the Constitution. It does, however, speak volumes about your fascist tendencies.
They both attack political speechs invoking God and the old/new testament.
The Phantom,
Absolutely. He stole it both times. And if he didn’t the second time, why pray tell, did someone see fit to “disappear” all Ohio’s 2004 election records, in violation of state and federal law?
We’re in fascism. But in the AMERICAN version, the trains don’t run on time because they’ve been privatized.
MoveOn.org and Columbia University can help make Ahmadinejad happy, I’m sure.
I’m sure if we just talk to Ahmadinejad, maybe invite to a baseball game, football game, tour Ground Zero (where Ahmadinejad can celebrate and have some great video for his people back home in Iran) wine and dine him in some nice NYC restaurants, we can make friends with him!
Maybe we will gain a better understanding of why Ahmadinejad keeps sending bombs to Iraq to blow up Americans and Iraqis, if we just talk to him.
Maybe we will gain a better understanding of why Ahmadinejad wants to make his own nukes (when he can just by them from Russia for a good price), and why he wants to blow Israel off the face of the Earth, if we just talk to him.
The framers of the consitution would never have spoken against their country the way you do. You should be ashamed.
What he may want, and what he wold/could do with nukes are worlds apart from each other. If he nuked Israel, it would be Irans destruction also.
That was certainly a weird intro by Columbia’s President. Would be comparable to the Chamber inviting Rumsfield and introducing him by a litany of his failings at the Pentagon.
Ahmadinejad replied that Bollinger’s remarks included “insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully.” He accused Bollinger of falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. media and politicians.
Well on this point, I believe the Iranian president is correct! Leftist media, the school, and the leftnuts are in it together.
Rob,
I have not said a single thing against the United States of America. Not one.
Contrary to your fascist belief, George Bush is not America. I can criticize him as a fascist, a pretender to power, an illegimate holder of the Presidency, without impugning the United States of America.
As for the framers, I think the one thing they NEVER would have done would be to set up one man as the king of the United States. Those who support the granting of total authority to Bush are the traitors. Are you one, Rob?
Ahmadinejad said it was “sad to watch.”
“I’m surprised in a place where they claim that they have freedom of information they are trying to prevent people from talking,” he said.”
And he is correct on this one. Minutemen.
T,J, $ AW,
As are all the pro-Bush fascists and would-be fascist apologists.
This man and his regime are directly responsible for weapons and infiltrating fighters in recent attacks in Iraq that killed U.S. troops. Arrest him, send him to Gitmo, and order up a firing squad.
Ahmadinejad replied “Are you telling me that the U.S. military is defeated because of two or three weapons here or there?” he said. “We think the military should seek an answer to its defeat in Iraq elsewhere — in the misguided policies that it has led, and the wrong perception it has had toward Iraq and its people. Regretfully, they are standing against the Iraqi people.”
Spoken like a true liberal democrat and voting member of Move On!
Some politician named hunter, just said on fox, he’s going to push for a resolution to cut off federal funding for columbia U.The thought patrol squad is gearing up for action. Before the speech I wondered if that might not explain the U. pres. hostile introduction. The risk of being black balled by the fed.Then I thought, naw, that’s just an irrational paranoid thought, and dismissed it.
American Way,
That does sound like Clinton, Edwards, and Obama.
And if Moveon.org and Columbia University really want to make Ahmadinejad happy, then they will join him in denying the Holocaust.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/jon/070922
America can’t afford George Soros or his MoveOn.org Democrats
Marie Jon’September 22, 2007
Soros appears to be a terrorist sympathizer as so many secular progressives are. One example is Columbia University. They would rather embrace terrorist leader President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than the Minutemen, who were brutally attacked when trying to speak to the student body. So much for “free speech.”
Fact from the Internal Revenue Service: Soros’s foundation, the Open Society Institute, contributed $20,000 in September 2002 to the Lynne Stewart Defense Committee. (source ) Stewart was found guilty of giving aid to Islamic terrorists.
Is this a man that American citizens want tampering with our business? He definitely has too much to do with the Democrat Party, organizations and websites that are working against our country’s best interest.
If Iran were to invade and occupy Mexico, I assure you we’d do much more than smuggle a few bombs across the border.
The Phatom,
And all the fascists on this blog sound like they’re reading from the same script as Duncan Hunter.
If Iran were to invade and occupy Mexico, I assure you we’d do much more than smuggle a few bombs across the border.
Posted by: The Phantom | September 24, 2007 at 03:10 PM
Huh? Mexico IS invading the US. And nothing is being done about it.
Hablo Espanol?
There are those who blame America for everything that is wrong in the world.
What’s the name for the American’s who always blame Americans?
D E M O C R A T S
Misunderstand Iran? Of course not! We understand it exactly the way our leaders want us to!
If anyone remotely believes what Ahmadinejad said is true, I want to talk to you. I have some ocean front property in Dodge City, Kansas that I want to sell to you.All I heard from this guys speech was blah, blah, balh, blah, blah. And the funny part is, there are people in the USA that acutally will believe him. He should be a standup comic because all I did was laugh and laugh at the blatent lies he was telling us in his speech. What a crack up.
What’s the name for Americans who pretend Americans are always blameless and deny that Americans sometimes are merely human?
R E P U B L I C A N S
But to bash him and compare him to a tyrant/dictator of a third world country is wrong. It is treasonous to defile your country in such a way. If you hate America that much… please leave.
Posted by: Rob | September 24, 2007 at 02:33 PM
TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.
It is not treason to compare Bush to Ahmadinejad. Many feel Bush is as much of a tyrant as any leader, and we are entitled to that opinion.
Jack Crossman,
Nobody with any sense thinks Ahmadinejad was being honest. And there’s no better way for him to discredit himself than to let him speak in a setting where he has to defend his views.
So, do you think that the fact that “some people will believe him” means that his speech should not have been permitted?
Columbia University was once led by Dwight D. Eisenhower. It is easy to guess what Ike would have though of the fanatic who will grace the campus Monday unless the Trustees of that university come to their collective senses and instruct the president, Lee Bollinger, to rescind this outrageous invitation. Ike had experience with Holocaust deniers:
When General Eisenhower learned about [Buchenwald], he immediately arranged to meet Generals Bradley and Patton at Ohrdruf on the morning of April 12th. By that time, Buchenwald itself had been captured. Consequently, Ike decided to extend the group’s visit to include a tour of the Buchenwald extermination camp the next day. Eisenhower also ordered every American soldier in the area who was not on the front lines to visit Ohrdruf and Buchenwald. He wanted them to see for themselves what they were fighting against
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/HughHewitt/2007/09/21
The framers of the consitution would never have spoken against their country the way you do. You should be ashamed.
Posted by: Rob | September 24, 2007 at 02:53 PM
Do you not understand what a revolution is Rob? That is exactly what the framers of the constitution did!! Notice we are not British subjects in 2007. Duh.
Before Ahmadinejad visits the World Trade Center site, he needs to visit Buchenwald.
And before 1 more University in the USA invites Ahmadinejad to speak, that University President needs to visit Buchenwald too.
Do you not understand what a revolution is Rob? That is exactly what the framers of the constitution did!! Notice we are not British subjects in 2007. Duh.
Posted by: TDT | September 24, 2007 at 03:25 PM
Be hard to have a Revolution TDT after Hillary takes your guns.
Tell the despot from Iran to start punishing “honor killing” or the brutal murder of women for “dishonor” to their family:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50128.htm
Of course, Hollywood backed down when they had a chance to expose Iranian “honor killing”
http://www.radiojavan.com/news/2007/08/03/Immigrant-Movie-Cuts-Iranian-Honor-Killing
The president of the country that gives you the right to “true freedom”.
Posted by: Rob
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You and I have different views. I believe these inalienable rights are granted by our Creator, not our country.
Hmm… We all seem to agree that Ahmadinejad is the leader of an oppressive regime. A liar who makes preposterous claims.
But, representative of the unified country that we aren’t, we end up using the occasion to insult each other and our own government.
Started, I notice, by the whiny vindictive left.
The …ahem… distinguished gentleman from Tehran also said there are no gays in his country.
Someone should ask about all those Iranians executed for homosexuality. I guess they were innocent after all.
Just more proof that the major conflict in the world today is not country against country, it’s people against leaders, and normal people against the crazies.
Tell the despot from Iran to start punishing “honor killing” or the brutal murder of women for “dishonor” to their family:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50128.htm
Posted by: Econ101 |
Really, Econ. Because Saddam Hussein put a stop to honor killing in Iraq. Now that he’s not in power and we are, it’s back with a vengenance.
Going for extreme irony, outlander? Good one :)
We’re all bipartisan, until that other party tries to get their way.
Max–
For claiming that you’re an “independent” and that you’re neither Republic nor Democratic, why do you always blackguard the Dems and never the Repukes?
Just wondering.
Max,”Be hard to have a Revolution TDT after Hillary takes your guns.”
Mahatma Gandhi led a quite successful revolt against British rule in India without guns. We all know you’re no Gandhi, but there are plenty of people here who have studied his methods. Surely at least one would have what it takes, should the need arise.
Why do we invite this person over here,pay him money to speak and allow him time to corrupt some of the young minds that are vulnerable. He, and his kind should be the last people we invite over here to speak to our young people.
Jed
When asked if his “passive resistance” could be used against Hitler, Gandhi replied:
“Yes, we could use it.”
“We would LOSE, but we could use it.”
Passive resistance requires that you challenge the conscience of an otherwise just society.
It does not work against real evil.
For those wishing to understand at least one interpretation of why those on the far right feel the need to exhibit extreme fealty to despotic leaders, read _Conservatives without Conscience_ by John W. Dean.
Capn
Again, you can’t seem to get your facts straight.Saddam Hussein was VERY lenient in “honor killing” cases:
“Saddam Hussein Revolutionary Command Council Order Number 6 of 2001 considers the “killing of one’s wife or a close female relative (muharam) for honor reasons a mitigating factor under law,” and essentially condones the practice. The reduced penalty under this clause for the murder of a woman is one year, and in some cases can be reduced to a mere six months imprisonment. This is, quite clearly, a serious impediment to women coming forward about crimes that have been committed against them, and is an obvious barrier to obtaining justice.”
http://www.globaljusticecenter.net/projects/iraq/honor-killings.html
Besides, Capn, we were talking about IRAN, were we not?
Jack, sunlight is the best disinfectant. You give our young people far too little credit.
Econ101, the Iranian people are not evil. No more than the people of any other nation. The more they feel their lives threatened, the more irrational they will become.
Jack(Ass),Our young people have the same right to listen to whomever they wish that you seem to claim for yourself. I realize that you want them thouroughly propagandized (with only your viewpoint), but your generation listened to a lot of radicals too, and look where we’ve ended up; right where those radicals said we would if we didn’t listen!
So many naive Libs who don’t believe there is any evil in world nor evil men like Ahmadinejad.
The same leader that supplies high explosives and devices to kill our troops in Iraq.
Anything for political purpose is the motto of the Libs – wreckless, naive and dangerous.
YES, IT IS TOO BAD THAT GHANDI, MLK AND THOSE OTHER FOOLS DID NOT TRY THAT PASSIVE RESISTANCE NONSENSE IN GERMANY OR ITALY DURING THE 1930′S
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Freedom of speech cuts all ways.1) let the fool from Iran talk, he only confirms the civilized worlds opinion’2) Stopping the minuteman guy from speaking is not free speech, So COlombia’s decision to let one speak, and not the other, allows for3) the criticism of Columbia’s policy. Free speech and all that
The government really should not be in the business of saying who can, and who cannot, speak at private functions. State Universities, supported by state dollars and regulated by state boards of regents, have at least the appearance of allowing free speech, including hearing from all sides.
Leftcoaster…
I never said anything about inalienable rights. I believe whole heartedly that our Creator gave us those. This country was founded on those principles despite what many say… I was talking about the freedom that we enjoy in this country because of the men who fought to give us that. I do believe God created us all equal and gave us certain rights – but that is different from the point I was making.
And – YES TDT… I understand what a revolution is… the constitution was written after the revolution. Or are you saying that it is now OK to start a revolution against the US? Gee, what does the word “treason” mean again?
Pall,You obviously haven’t read what Gandhi wrote. The racist British Imperial presence in India and South Africa wasn’t a lot different than Nazi Germany, if you were anything but white and British.
leftcoast
Learn to read —
and learn a little history would you??
I never said that the Iranian people were evil. I said that passive resistance does not work against an evil society.
The Iranian society, today, is EVIL!
(Just as Nazi Germany was an EVIL society, this does not mean that every German or every Iranian is Evil, ok? Is that too hard for your liberal brain to understand?)
For claiming that you’re an “independent” and that you’re neither Republic nor Democratic, why do you always blackguard the Dems and never the Repukes?
Just wondering.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | September 24, 2007 at 03:36 PM
I’ll oppose the most liberal and most Socialist. I’ll support the most conservative and the most Capitalist.
Usually, that means I support a Republican, but I am a Registered Independent voter.
While I generally support Republicans, I do not claim to be one, and never will until they start taking back the conservative capitalist view.
There’s a difference between voting for the lesser of two evils, and voting for someone you are proud enough to brag about.
I don’t see how ANYONE can brag about either party.
JedYou are rediculous.
British rule was not always wonderful, but the Brits did spread civilization, in their own way. For the most part, those areas conquered by the British Crown enjoyed better human rights than they had before.
Where that was NOT the case, where British rule was NOT just, “passive resistance” forced the Brits to face their own hypocrisy. Ghandi used the laws of a just society in order to make that society MORE just.
“But, representative of the unified country that we aren’t, we end up using the occasion to insult each other and our own government.
Started, I notice, by the whiny vindictive left.”
Nice move outlander, follow decrying the practice of insulting one another with a gratuitous insult.
Late to this discussion; lj, I agree with you concerning Columbia University in that both should be invited to speak, and that appropriate security should be provided; I also feel that the students and faculty at Columbia should be free to protest either or both as they see fit, presuming no physical threats, etc., in the protest. With reference to another thread, I feel that if Stanford wishes to make Mr. Rumsfeld a fellow at the Hoover Institution, it is their decision and right to so do; I also feel that the petition, etc., is the right of those who feel that way to prepare and sign. I’m a bit more saddened by the actions at Stanford, given my belief that the university or college campus should be open to opposing views, including the hiring/appointing of faculty. It is up to the consumer of the views to determine how s/he reacts to the same. My two cents.
“Nice move outlander, follow decrying the practice of insulting one another with a gratuitous insult.”
Edited to add (seeing a post above that indicated that you may have been joking): IF you were being intentionally ironic, your comment was very funny. If not, your comment was still (albiet unintentionally) very funny.
Pall,”British rule was not always wonderful, but the Brits did spread civilization, in their own way.”
If George Washington heard you say that, he’d bite your head off with his false teeth!
What the British spread was mostly bullets and opium, even fighting a war in China to protect their right to deal dope. In Kenya, they promised the people the return of seized tribal lands in exchange for service in WWII. The soldiers returned from the war, and heroic service, to find their lands sold to white settlers. Some civilization!
I agree with the ideas, expressed above, relative to “free speech” —
The fact is, Columbia University was cowardly when those who were speaking were not allowed to speak: The “Minutemen” concerning immigration policy.
Your free speach ends where it denies MY free speech, or my right to hear the scheduled speaker.
Whether it is John Kerry or the Minutemen, college campuses should be disciplined enough to ARREST those who disrupt the scheduled presentation.
PERIOD!
When Columbia, or any university, refuses to remove the rude, obnoxious protestors, it is actually censorship of a very cowardly kind.
JedDid I say they were perfect?
Our country is actually founded, in large measure, on “British Common Law” which derived from Roman law.
RELATIVISM seems easy for you liberals, when dealing with evil people.
You just cant seem to grant your OWN country, or your own culture, an even break.
Why is that?
Our founders were WELL aware of their debt, culturally, to the British.
Read the Declaration.
If we owed them NOTHING, they would not have written it at all.
Seem a little strange that the same people who wanted intelligent design taught in the classroom (teach the controversy, let the kids decide), are now worried about a bunch of college students impressionable minds.
Maybe Osama Bin Laden should be the next speaker at Columbia.
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/182635.htm
The Iranians apparently have closed the northern border with Iraq, causing some economic hardship with the Kurds. Interesting the public “debate” between al Maliki and the U.S. military about the permission of the Iraqi government for the Iranian taken into custody by U.S. troops, the Iraqis claiming his presence was lawful under a visa issued to him.
xxx
Columbia is in trouble for hypocrisy.
Again, Columbia did NOT defend the rights of others to speak.
Max is really on a hate rant, is he always like this?
Pall,
Our founders came within one vote of abolishing the English language and making Hebrew the national tongue. They also hung, dispossessed and chased British sympathizers all the way to the Canadian border. Sounds like real gratitude!Now, back to my original point; non-violent resistance doesn’t depend on guilt-tripping your enemy. It’s about politically and economically paralysing your enemy by refusing to be exploited. The Montgomery Bus Boycott didn’t work because of publicity, it worked because it was bankrupting the city.You might do well to read Gandhi’s autobiography before you start embarrassing yourself.
Our founders came within one vote of abolishing the English language and making Hebrew the national tongue. Posted by: Jed | September 24, 2007 at 04:45 PM
Oy, gevalt! Hebrew?
I thought it was the German language. :)
I have no problem with this nut speaking at Columbia; they can do what they like. But let’s not, at the same time, pretend that Columbia cares deeply in principle about the 1st amendment. This nut’s speech appeals to those who wish to thumb their noses at the Administation. Make no mistake, however, that speakers who affront the usual PD/leftwing crowd at Columbia will NOT get similar speaking privileges.
It’s the usual left approach. Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Maybe Osama Bin Laden should be the next speaker at Columbia.
Posted by: Max | September 24, 2007 at 04:33 PM
Maybe he should. Considering what a fine job Augustus Stupidus has done, that’s about the only way we’ll ever catch him.
A Free Vacation in America and a Speaking Opportunity!
After 6 years in a cold cave, Osama may just fall for it.
KCDude,Yup!
make that the “usual PC/leftwing crowd” at Columbia.
There ya go.
Kans,Nope, Hebrew, the original language of Adam and Eve.
Econ 101,
“And the funny part is, there are people in the USA that acutally will believe him.”Posted by: Jack Crossman | September 24, 2007 at 03:20 PM
“Columbia is in trouble for hypocrisy”
Hypocrisy is always in the eye of the beholder.
“Hypocrisy is always in the eye of the beholder.”Posted by: XXX
I hopy you are not saying “attacking a speaker on the stage is free speech”.
hopy = hope
JedYou are nuts, this is the mans own words:
“http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/hitler.htm
“Q”Mr. Gandhi, I understand the concept of non-violence and civil dis-obedience. Do you really think it would work in all situations? For example, against a monster like Hitler ?”
ANon-violence does not mean making peace. On the other hand, it means fighting bravely and sincerely for truth and doing what is just. Like all fights, there will be a terrible loss and pain. But a satyagrahi (soldier of civil disobedience) must go on.My success with civil disobedience in South Africa and in India has not come easy. A large number of people sacrificed a great deal, including their lives while fighting for truth and justice.
The doctrine of Satyagraha works on the principle that you make the so called enemy see and realize the injustice he is engaged in. It can work only when you believe in God and the goodness of the people to see that they are wrong. As a satyagrahi, I do believe that non-violence is a potent weapon against all evils. I warn you however, that the victory will not come easy- just like it will not come easy with violent methods such as fighting with weaponry.”—–
I hopy you are not saying “attacking a speaker on the stage is free speech”.
Posted by: Hud | September 24, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Well, I “hopy” you’re going to show me where I said that.
JedThe British were wrong, of course, that was the reason for the Revolutionary War.
However, I will remind you, that in the War of 1812, the New England states pretty much called that war “Madisons War”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
The New England states pretty much refused to levy taxes to support the war, and ignored trade bans and embargos, and traded freely with Canada and the British, in violation of the law.
In other words, there was still STRONG pro-British sentiment, even in the War of 1812.
For the record, I think we were RIGHT in that war as well.
The British were taking our sailors prisoner, and “drafting” them to serve in their war against the French.
We let the Zionists wind our clock and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad just got through cleaning it.
Like it or not, that’s what happened.
The Zionists whinnied about their eternal victimization but instead came-off looking pathetic, and ridiculous.
The Zionists tried to shutdown historical debate and instead of solidifying sympathy, they got told-off for being dead wrong.
For the Zionists: It was Hello elegance, as point by point Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took them apart.
I don’t think they’ve got sense enough to be embarrassed.
EdI have been called a Nazi on this post, why I am not sure.
To me, you are the closest thing to a Nazi that we have on this Blog.
I argue with you all the time, if only because you are useful: The truth is, MANY liberals have the same anti-Jew, anti-Israel hate in their hearts as YOU.
The liberals on this Blog rarely argue with you.
Even though the President of Iran just claimed that his country had NO Homosexuals, you liberals think he has credibility?
Scroll down to the bottom of this link:http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RS115O0&show_article=1
Ed, you are a nut case.
You HATE Israel.
You HATE Jews.
Your views are WIDELY reflected in a large segment of the anti-war left.
That is why the Left rarely argues with you on this Blog.
Why don’t you shut-up you G-D stupid little boy.
Like I said, EdYou serve a very useful purposeYou prove that racism is alive and well in the Democrat Party.
Good people do good things.
Bad people do bad things.
Zionists are bad people, now you’re ready…..
Maybe we will gain a better understanding of why Ahmadinejad wants to make his own nukes (when he can just by them from Russia for a good price), and why he wants to blow Israel off the face of the Earth, if we just talk to him.
Posted by: Max
First of all, Israel has bombed how many people??? So let’s not waste another US soldiers’ life defending Israel without even questioning their motives and actions.
I’m no fan of Iran but the best thing the US can do is to get off the dependence of Middle East oil and tell all the Middle East to shove their oil barrels up their collective asses.
If George W. Bush is really serious about fighting Iran, then let’s use some intelligence instead of trying to blow them up with our ‘big guns’. The Iraq War has shown us that even with our ‘big guns’ the street rats insurgents are killing our soldiers with their improvised homemade bombs.
We need a president who is on moral ground and just taking Israel’s side without seeking the truth is just promoting another Holy War. And it does not help when George W. Bush professes that God is on his side.
Better shine those jackboots up Ed, they are looking fairly dull.
I wonder if there will be a debate across the country, about why the Pals. should get the short end of the stick, for something that they had nothing to do with. Just because the U.N., led by britian and U.S. decided it would be an honorable thing to do in giving them a country.
A showdown between Iran and Israel and the US is coming. The question is, how expensive is it going to get?
If someone had had the cajones to deal with Hitler in 39 and not kowtow to him, the cost would have been minimal. Unfortunately those who believed they could “talk” to Hitler betrayed the rest of us. What was the final cost of WW2 in human lives???
The exact same thing is playing out right now. Dealing with Iran now would equal a minimal cost.
10 years from now what will be the cost in lives and to the enviroment due to the exchange of nukes between Iran and Israel???
Once more we are being betrayed by those who think you can “talk” to a madman.
If you can read the book “Munich, Prologue to Tragedy” by J.W. Wheeler-Bennett and NOT see the similarities to today, then I don’t know what to tell you. Just continue to bury your head in the sand.
All I can say is that if you don’t like Ahmadinejad, he was a direct and highly predictable result of our very own CIA’s god complex. Maybe someday we’ll learn.
If you want to know anything about the leftist campus termites and their pets, simply watching the following. Hurry too, the youtube kosherites love to censor stuff like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZMLUgvpFw&watch_response
gnosticliberationfront.com
We need a president who is on moral ground and just taking Israel’s side without seeking the truth is just promoting another Holy War. And it does not help when George W. Bush professes that God is on his side.
Posted by: maidmarion | September 24, 2007 at 06:40 PM
Maidmarion helped make your point too Econ.
Let’s see, surrounded by enemies who profess to destroy you. Attacked on all sides and when you defend yourself, you are called the agressoer.
Sure, makes sense. In the Liberal anti-semetic mind.
I wonder if there will be a debate across the country, about why the Pals. should get the short end of the stick, for something that they had nothing to do with. Just because the U.N., led by britian and U.S. decided it would be an honorable thing to do in giving them a country.
Posted by: The Phantom | September 24, 2007 at 06:56 PM
Another helper Econ!
Man, with help like this, we could change the world!
Sometimes the UN is the world authority, and we should abide by whatever they say.
Other times, when protecting Israel, we should just tell the UN to shove it.
Wow, I’m learning Liberalism!
Passive resistance requires that you challenge the conscience of an otherwise just society. It does not work against real evil.
Posted by: Econ101 | September 24, 2007 at 03:51 PM
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Yep — Martin Luther King, Jr., learned that…
How many wars did King fight in?
I think you’re going a bit overboard by claiming that democrats are racist and that liberals hate jews, Econ. Many bloggers don’t pay much attention to Ed because it’s like talking to a brick wall..so why bother?
I do agree with Ed on the fact that Israel has persecuted Palestinians for too long. I think we should pull back our military and financial support as long as they continue to do so. Israel has been given a free hand to do whatever they want, it’s no wonder they are resented by the Arab nations.
Hey, facist… go stick yoiur head in the oven, and light a match to see why the gas isnt working!!
Who cares, Max??? Moot Point!!
Max, if you knew anything, you’d know that Israel is often the aggressor..using Palestinians for target practice, destroying their homes, cutting off their ultilities and their roads, holding women in labor at the border so they have to give birth without medical assistance, vandalizing their schools, the list goes on and on and on.
Did anybody ever find out how many Iranian citizens died in the WTC tragedy???
Max, if you knew anything, you’d know that Israel is often the aggressor..Posted by: Mary Caruso
Right, and there are never rockets shot into Israel (sometimes hitting schools) and bombs going off in business establishments.
Heck, in Gaza, there is even one political party killing the other political party. Looks like they want peace, right.
You know if someone was providing water, power, and medical services to me, I would think twice before I started shooting rockets at them.
Hud, maybe it’s the Palestinians who are trying to defend themselves against the Israelis. If someone mowed down my house because a neighbor kid threw a rock at their tank or shot my elderly mother or my child in the head just for the fun of it..I might be tempted to shoot rockets at them, also. The Palestinians live in the most squalid conditions you can imagine because of Israel..and they’re supposed to be grateful for the privilege of doing so? How would you deal with it, Hud, if you were forced to live there?
The Israelis have Zionist agents working inside Gaza shooting each side and blaming it on the other.
There is nothing the Zionists won’t stoop to…and they brag about it in their newspapers.
If you want to know how low the Zionists will stoop, just look at what they did to Lebanon!
As fun as it was to hear the President of Columbia Universiy and the students raze Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, it certainly wasn’t the diplomatic thing to do…it would have been nice if, for once, we could have taken the high ground and instead of humiliating him, made an effort to dialogue..as it was we accomplished nothing and probably caused more harm.
Max,”How many wars did King fight in?”
Just one- the civil rights movement. It was a war; I was there, I lost friends in it, got the shit kicked out of me by a couple of sheriff’s deputies who didn’t like the color of company I kept. It’s still going on.
Pall,If you don’t consider the Klan of the 1960’s pure evil… well, come to think about it, you probably don’t, but non-violent resistance worked there.
Yes Mary, I agree with you on this one.
I’m sure if we just talk to Ahmadinejad, maybe invite to a baseball game, football game, tour Ground Zero (where Ahmadinejad can celebrate and have some great video for his people back home in Iran) wine and dine him in some nice NYC restaurants, we can make friends with him!
Maybe we will gain a better understanding of why Ahmadinejad keeps sending bombs to Iraq to blow up Americans and Iraqis, if we just talk to him.
Maybe we will gain a better understanding of why Ahmadinejad wants to make his own nukes (when he can just by them from Russia for a good price), and why he wants to blow Israel off the face of the Earth, if we just talk to him.
Did anyone see Ahmadinejad’s talks today?
Did you read what he said?
You think he is sane?
He loves the world stage. He loves being the evil villain gaining credibility back home, and hoping for payoffs from the world to keep him under control.
He’s pure evil. Read how he sugar coats his evil talk. Can you not see this? Did you not see him laughing and smiling at America on 60 Minutes or at Columbia today?
Some stupid people in the US will actually believe this guy.
And every anti-semite will jump on his bandwagon to be able to ally with another Jew hater.
Are y’all blind?
How’s this for passive resistance.
All working people will stay home for 6 months.
See if the Socialists survive then.
“It’s still going on.”Posted by: Jed
I think there are a lot of people who do not understand (or know) this.
When I got home from my last visit to my home town, I ask my wife how many non-white faces she had seen. Her answer was, “None.”
Funny how a nice southern town had nothing but whites in it.
So who believes this guy, Max? No one that I saw today.I don’t think it’s productive to belittle and humiliate him..what good does that do? It only deepens their hatred for us. Yes, he’s an asshole..and I think most Americans see him that way..but what purpose does it serve to make fun of him to his face? What did we accomplish today? The problem between the U.S. and Iran is serious, and that’s how we need to respond to it..with maturity.
“Some stupid people in the US will actually believe this guy.”Posted by: Max
I do not worry as much about this group as I do the people in Iran. At least those in the US will hear something about the other side of the picture. But in Iran all they will see and hear is how their leader went to the US and taught them how wrong they were.
Of course, since they have so much personal freedom in Iran, I could be wrong.
The problem between the U.S. and Iran is serious, and that’s how we need to respond to it..with maturity.Posted by: Mary Caruso
Okay, maybe you are right we should not be laughing at him.
Get serious? Did he answer one question today. When he was ask a question, how many questions did he ask answering that one question. The problem is no one is getting answers from him so how do we get serious?
How’s this for passive resistance.
All working people will stay home for 6 months.
See if the Socialists survive then.
Posted by: Max
Yeah, good plan. Because the CAPITALISTS will fire their asses after day three . . .
Mary: I hate what Ahmadinejad stands for, but I agree it was very rude for the Columbia University president to invite someone to speak there, and then treat him like crap. It looks like a set up. He is your guest. You simply don’t treat guests like that.
Just don’t invite him, moron.
“If someone had had the cajones to deal with Hitler in 39 and not kowtow to him, the cost would have been minimal.”
This seems to be a constant refrain of the reich-wing.
The beauty of it, of course, is that it is entirely unprovable.
A forceful military response to Hitler early on might have simply given him the impetus to wait and plot and build until he truly was unstoppable.
What ultimately defeated Hitler was turning against the Russian bear. Had the West unilaterally attacked Germany early on, Russia may have rightly sensed that they were next and the split between Nazism and Communism might never have happened.
Not only that, the situation in Europe in ‘39 is totally different than freaking IRAN in ‘07.
No comparison whatsoever.
We could have at least risen above it all…the way it went, the audience was pretty much on his level…and he was set up from the moment he walked onto the stage. No one was interested in anything but trying to make him look stupid (which he is of course), but by driving that point home, we just put the wall up even more. Let’s see us try to negotiate with Iran now. You always draw more flies with honey than vinegar…it wouldn’t have cost us anything to be more diplomatic. If we would have treated him with a little respect, who knows what could have happened? We had nothing to lose by trying.
Bush’s saber-rattling strengthens Ahmadenijad. Just like an OBL tape strengthens Bush.
Let’s see, surrounded by enemies who profess to destroy you. Attacked on all sides and when you defend yourself, you are called the agressoer.
Sure, makes sense. In the Liberal anti-semetic mind.
Posted by: Max
How is Israel the victim when Israel strikes first????
How many people has Israel bombed in the name of victimhood?
Get over yourself Max. Israel likes playing the victim, just as these so-called persecuted Christians at Christmas time.
Geesh…..look at the world with an objective eye and not just the Israel-colored eyes.
“Let’s see, surrounded by enemies who profess to destroy you. Attacked on all sides and when you defend yourself, you are called the agressoer.”
Sure, like when we supported our ally Saddam when he attacked Iran with US-supplied chemical weapons. Who has Iran attacked?
That is why the Left rarely argues with [Ed] on this Blog.
Posted by: Econ101
WRONG.
I’ve taken Ed on many times.
His views don’t represent any rational person’s.
Occasionally, despite being nuts, he makes a good point, but he’s still nuts.
Hope that clears things up for you Econ. Ed doesn’t represent the anti-war position, the Democratic party, the liberals or anybody else. He’s a one-trick pony–as soon as I see the word “Zionist” I stop reading because I already know the rest of the song.
He’s not worth responding to.
Hope you in the Republic party can recognize that . . .
Capn – it is one of the Repuke’s tactics to practice guilt by association.
There is an old saying….hold your friends close but hold your enemies closer.
I do not think Iran’s president is innocent but I do not think it wise to have Bush calling him a terrorist and then expecting him to behave like a loving puppy dog.
Iran is a country that is in turmoil as we speak. I’ve heard this guy is in trouble politically back home. Let’s let the people of Iran deal with his ass.
But, again, if the US was not so arrogant in consumption of gas and if we had the moral leadership to get the US off the Middle East oil – then the US could tell Iran and the rest of the Middle East (including the Saudis) to kiss our ass and shove their oil barrels up their collective asses!
But, instead, we have king boy George ranting and raving about how the US will take out Iran.
Big talk from a boy king.
You’ve never won, because you’re just shitforbrains Zionists.
You always lose because you have no truth on your side. You have to make laws against debating your lies, then declare yourself as not having lost.
Your support has dropped to an all-time low of 11% and as soon as they become aware,… down it goes again…further…
Max, I am most concerned that you would even ASK how many wars MLK fought in… When, of course, you already KNOW the answer…. Obviously, KING used the non-violent approach… and he lost… at least the immediate battle… It seems that he may have won a FEW things in the long run…
But it totally baffles me as to WHY you would even stoop so low as to bring up KING and WAR in the same sentence…. ::: shaking head; rolling eyes :::
Ed — You ever think about going to Israel, and signing up to help out with one of the ANTI-Zionist groups there?? I know there must be a few there…. And, yes, I’m serious… That way you could actually DO something besides post on the Blog, to people who basically dont want to hear it…
BUT — if you DO go to Israel, and fight the Zionists, you beter keep your mouth SHUT about the Holocaust… Some of those folks there can use a long knife just as good as the Moslems in Iraq….
Ed’s writing style is a lot like cosmos, same structure and word usage.
Both anti-semites.
Ed’s writing style is a lot like cosmos, same structure and word usage.
Posted by: Kansas
So True, So True Mr./Ms. Kansas. Many of the commies have it in commonality. Tis like a cancer. Is the minister a minister or a wamabe? They hates all the enemy, Gollum Gollum. Nice Smeagol smells rats and rats is good eating. The Brownlee is powerful. Working well our plan.
Sock puppets unite. We will overcome the resistance. Resistance is fuedal.
Hillary is really back peddling on her committment to pull immediately out of Iraq.
Amazing.
What a surprise.
Next SHE will be invading Iran! (Right after they nuke NYC and San Francisco)
Kansas seems to get bored easily… not a good sign!!
Oh well….. Long day tomorrow!
Good Night; Good Luck; and God Bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings all!!
I could try to compare Ahmadinejad to Bush to show how they are so much alike but Ahmadinejad hasn’t ever waged a war of aggression leading to the deaths of a million people for the sole purpose of profit. At least Iran has habeus corpus.
“Kansas seems to get bored easily… not a good sign!!”
Posted by Chas.
I think Kansas recently posted that he’s adjusting his pain meds?
But Kansas, aka Republican, aka “blank”, aka ** KHAN ** , aka (stolen) J M Walker, etc., has had ZERO credibility before anyway.
A good example is his multiple posts FALSELY claiming that the Sierra Club caused the New Orleans levees to fail.
Two of his links here,Posted by: cosmos | May 29, 2007 at 08:38 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
And another,Posted by: Republican | July 01, 2007 at 12:51 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
Geesh…..look at the world with an objective eye and not just the Israel-colored eyes.
Posted by: maidmarion | September 24, 2007 at 09:22 PM
MaidYOU SHOULD TRY LOOKING AT A MAP!— And reading a little history.
Israel, I believe, from memory, is only like about 12 miles wide at one point.
The PLO had a CHARTER which called for running Israel “Into the Sea” — How do you make peace with such people?
There were Jews in Palestine and in Israel BEFORE the U.N. Created the State of Israel.
Israel has been under CONSTANT attack since its modern founding.
Again, Maid, if Israel followed YOUR advice, there soon would NOT be an Israel.
Perhaps that is what YOU want?
cosmos has a propensity for lying as this post proves.
http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=337470&id=74526948
Rass,”If someone had had the cajones to deal with Hitler in 39 and not kowtow to him, the cost would have been minimal.”
Old old argument. Unforunately, Hitler was a product of his times and an astonishingly unfair treaty. If Hitler had been assassinated early on, WWII would have happened anyway, with someone else tending to the details. Would the third reich have been so aggressively antisemitic with some other leader? Who knows, but the seeds of that particular wave of hatred were sown long before Hitler by Czar Nicholas II and the Russian Orthodox Church. Maybe if the Russian revolution had happened 20 years earlier, that episode of bigotry might have been avoided. Of course it would also have given the credit for the collapse of communism to Nixon instead of Reagan. Lotta what if’s!
(snickers)
Start here, maid:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0804479.html
Israel has NOT A DROP of oil.
Israel is vastly more successful, economically, than its neighbors.
Most of the reason for this rests with Moslem law. They do not believe in modern financial tools.They are against charging or paying interest. Much of the Arab/Moslem world has not advanced much further than the barter system.
However, Israel DOES employ Arabs and Moslems.
Some Moslems are even ELECTED officials in the Israeli government.
Show me a Jew serving in a Moslem government, would you please?
Again, if Israel behaved as YOU desire, Israel would not exist.
“cosmos has a propensity for lying as this post proves.”
Posted by: Kansas | September 25, 2007 at 12:36 AM
The multi-named Kansas’ proof that he is not a LIAR, with ZERO credibilty — is to attack me.
Heh… think Republican, it’s EASIER than thinking.
Pall,”Show me a Jew serving in a Moslem government, would you please?”
Show me an atheist in an elected office in the U.S.
“Show me a Jew serving in a Moslem government, would you please?”
Well, P-Con, let’s nail down what a “jewish state” is first, shall we?
“Jewish state or a state of Jews?There has been ongoing debate in Israel on the character of the state, if it should enshrine more Jewish culture, encourage Judaism in schools, enshrine certain laws of Kashrut and Shabbat observance within Israel. This debate reflects a historical divide within Zionism and among the Jewish citizens of Israel, which has large secular and traditional/Orthodox minorities as well as a majority which lies somewhere between the two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_state
JedThe people of America have a right to elect who ever they want.No, Atheists don’t fare well at the ballot box.(Maybe because the thought of someone in power who does not believe in punishment, in the afterlife, might be dangerous?_
Now, the situation in a Sharia dominated Moslem society is much different. The Government will NOT allow the Jew to even hold an office of power, let alone be elected to such office.
RageWhat point did your last post make? Other than pointing out that Israel is much like America, that they are a free society and not a dictatorship, like most Moslem countries?
Atheists don’t fare well at the ballot box.(Maybe because the thought of someone in power who does not believe in punishment, in the afterlife, might be dangerous?Posted by: Econ101
Punishment in the after life??
Is that better than people who believe that if they die killing you they go straifgt to heaven??
I’m guessing the worst dumbass people to elect are the ones who preach about going to heaven, family values, and all those other myths that seem give you wood and of course an excuse to hate and kill all those non-belivers running around lose in the world.
But the big family values god lives in heaven and talks to me daily always seen to get busted in a public rest rooms and city parks at 2 in the morning.
Why is that?
Is it because those people think that adam and eve had a snake that talked to them, and handed them items like apples.OK.So, thay heard voices telling them to hustle over to the little meeting spot for same sex sex?
I want to vote for the guy who hears voices in his head telling him about streets of gold and other stuff like blowing up iraq for oil, etc.
This is way too complicated at 3:00am.
You gotta admit you are kinda nutty with all this mythical stuff floating in your little brain, right?
Iran is not misunderstood. I understand it for the Muslim nation it is. A nation of relgious fundamentalist nutcases that think it is OK to stone women to death and oppress and crucify those who do not follow the religion that they think you should follow. Sort of like the fundie Christians would like to do here. That said, they are no worse than Saudi Arabia or any number of nations where religious nutcases have taken over. The fact is that few of these nations ever advance. The nations that always advance the most are the ones where religion plays no role in the affairs of state.
Pall,”Show me a Jew serving in a Moslem government, would you please?”
Show me an atheist in an elected office in the U.S.
Posted by: Jed | September 25, 2007 at 01:26 AM
Oh Jed, you knocked that one out of the park!
Zionists can’t win any debate about the reason they should exist as a peaceful country, and their tactic is to change the subject to how much they’ve suffered, and when they’re challenged to debate that subject, the Zionist declare that any debated about that subject is also illegal, and any attempt thereof will land you straight into jail.
The Zionist-Jews have a set of “pat” answers for any changeling to their criminal behaviours which avoid the questions completely, while the answers switch to their undebatable victimisation.
1. Pick-out a Zionist.
2. Ask: Why do you victimize the Palestinians, { kill them daily } then call them “terrorists?”
Last update – 19:15 25/09/2007
Bush: UN rights council unfairly criticizes Israel
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In his address to the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday, U.S. President George W. Bush said that the UN unfairly criticizes Israel, but he avoided other issues that took center-stage in his speeches in former years.
Bush heaped criticism on the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, which he said attacks Israel regularly but withholds criticism for other major human rights violators around the world.
However, Bush did not address the war in Iraq, the Iranian nuclear threat or the war on terror – all cornerstone issues in most of his foreign policy speeches.
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UN chief pledges to push for peace in Mideast
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday took the podium for the first time as UN chief and called for an internal climate of change at the world body to address the growing number of issues requiring collective action.
“Looking to the coming year and beyond, we can foresee a daunting array of challenges to come,” he told the General Assembly. They are problems that respect no borders – that no country, big or small, rich or poor, can resolve on its own.
Ban said peace in the Middle East is vital to the stability of the region and the world.
“We know what is required: an end to violence, an end to occupation, the creation of a Palestinian state at peace with itself and Israel, and a comprehensive regional peace between Israel and the Arab world,” he said
Paul,The Christian religion also forbids the charging of interest. However since the vast majority of Christians value money over their salvation they kindly did away with that prohibition. Perhaps that’s why Christians stamped “In god we trust” on the currency in the 50s, so people will remember who the true god is, the almighty dollar.
pmom
Do you “Make the perfect the enemy of the good”? — I think you do.
No, America is not perfect.
However, even though YOU feel oppressed, or you feel Atheism or Homosexuality are oppressed, in the United States, surely you do not believe that America is WORSE than Iran in those areas?
Surely you do not believe that Israel is worse than Iran, in the area of human rights, do you?
Doug
My comment about Moslem finance had a purpose: Many think that the Palestinians are poor because of something Israel has done.
In fact, Palestinians are poor because of their culture and religion and because there is no oil in Israel or Palestine and because the rest of the Moslem world only gives Palestinians money if they agree to cause trouble for Israel.
Pall,”Surely you do not believe that Israel is worse than Iran, in the area of human rights, do you?”
That of course would depend on who you are, just like here. Seems there’s always some group more equal than the others.
I see that Ed is fapping his Palestinian whoa today once again.
Survey, what do you think of when you hear the word terrorists.
Answers:
(1) Al Qaeda(2) Palestinians
(3) Hamas(4) Hezbollah
Two out of the top four are associated with terrorism are associated with Palestinians (Hamas and Palestinians themselves)
Econ – the fact that there economy is 100% controled by the occupyers has something to do with it. Even Gaza, suppsoedly not occupied, is under blockade.
Now The Zionist { Kansas } is bragging how he has sold you dummies the Euphemism “terrorist”
How does it feel to be a Zionist’s pet fool?
Are you going to just sit there and take it?
The bald-faced lie: “In fact, Palestinians are poor because of their culture and religion and because there is no oil in Israel or Palestine and because the rest of the Muslim world only gives Palestinians money if they agree to cause trouble for Israel.”
The G-D Zionists bulldozed over 1 million Olive and Orange Trees, the livelihood of the agrarian { farmers } of Palestine { Palestinians }.
“Zionist” should be a synonym for “liar”
Note: Some of those Olive Trees showed-up in front of the high-dollar homes { built with American tax-payer money } for members of the exclusive ruling-class Party }.
Note 2: The Muslim world gives millions to the Palestinians so they can eat.
If you give 1 dollar per day to 10 million Palestinians, that takes 10 million dollars per day. Do the fat Zionists think that’s too much money?
Every time the Palestinians get their little economy going, the Zionists come along and wreck it.
Israel has been under CONSTANT attack since its modern founding.
Again, Maid, if Israel followed YOUR advice, there soon would NOT be an Israel.
Perhaps that is what YOU want?
Posted by: Econ101
Paulie – Israel has bombed just as many people, sometimes without provocation, as the Palestinians have bombed.
Israel equates everything that happens to them as their being the ‘victims’ because of their religion. This is called a HOLY WAR!!!!
Holy Wars are NEVER won.
What part of the US should look at Israel with objective eyes rather than just jumping on the war wagon to defend Israel when it has been proven, in some cases, that Israel was the FIRST to attack.
What possible moral ground can the US stand on when we defend Israel at all costs?
In your eyes, Paulie, Israel is NEVER at fault? Israel is NEVER the aggressor? Israel has not tried to wipe the Palestinians off the map?
And if you are talking about people stating that they want to wipe another country off the map – how about George W. Bush claiming the axis of evil? Wasn’t Bush promoting wiping the countries of North Korea, Iran and Iraq off the map because they are the axis of evil?
Many leaders say alot of stupid stuff, and Israel and George W. Bush can be counted among that group.
Point by Point
We Americans let the Zionists wind our clock, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who spoke at the Columbia University, just got through cleaning it. Like it or not, that’s what happened.
The Zionists whined about their eternal victimization, but instead came-off looking pathetic and ridiculous.
The Zionists tried to shutdown historical debate and instead of solidifying sympathy about their precious cash-cow, they got told-off (or better yet hammered) for being unscholarly and failing to make a reasoned argument.
For the Zionists: It was Hello elegance, as point by point, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took them apart.
I don’t think that the Zionists have sense enough to be embarrassed.
Ed Friedemann, Texas, United States, published 26 September 2007
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=17§ion=21&d=26&m=9&y=2007&mode=dynamic§ionlist=no&pix=interact.jpg&category=Interact—–
Aren’t you late for foot washing Ed?
maid
NAME a SINGLE time that Israel attacked without FIRST being provoked.
You can’t.
Admit it!
Maid
I will admit that Israel just raided some Nuke material in Syria.
That material was provided by NORTH KOREA, part of the “Axis of Evil”
Now, go sing Kumbaya and put some daisys in the barrels of some old cannons and let some doves fly into the sky.
— While serious people debate how to survive in a world full of crazies while a bunch of silly, clueless people like you criticize us for trying to stay alive!
The True Axis of Evil: “Bushco-Zionists-PNAC”
Econ666:
“I will admit that Israel just raided some Nuke material in Syria” { As if he was privy to anything nuclear? as he solutes himself in his mirror}.
This jerk has an imagination the puts Charlie Manson to shame.
Back on the “meds” 101 {666}, back on the meds…
Econ, I’ll tell you about several times Israel attacked first..there was a British journalist who was doing a feature on how the conflict affected both the Palestinian and Israeli children..he was in a Palestinian home and when they came to start mowing down the houses in the middle of the night, he went outside with a white flag and explained that he was a foreign journalist, they responded by shooting him in the head, and it was all caught on tape. Another time when an elderly Palestinian woman was walking down the street to her doctor’s office to get her chemo treatment, they just shot her for target pratice. The Israelis have intentionally held Palestinian women at the border, refusing to let them pass so they can get the hospital and deliver…Palestinian women have actually died because they had to give birth without any medical assistance. Tell me, how were the Israelis provoked in any of these situations? Those of you who unconditionally support Israel have your blinders on. Yes, the atrocities take place on both sides, but you can’t keep people down and suppressed like the Israeis do the Palestinians and not have consequences. Humans just aren’t passive when it comes to persecution and suppression..look at history. Why do the Israelis just expect the Palestinians to just sit back and take it?
Mary Caruso
The Israelis need those “rockets” being fired from Gaza, because without them, they’d lose their “victim status”
The Israelis sell: “We are the victims” and they’ve made a fortune from using that propaganda pitch.
They named the Palestinians “terrorists” and have duped Bush into a “war on terror”
The British Parliament passed a resolution to no longer allow the word “terrorist” or “war on terror” to be used.
Check it out.
Ed lives in a cave with Osama, aparently, and doesn’t read very much:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2512380.ece
Type “syria israel” into your browser.
Israel just hit Syria hard and captured North Korean nuclear material.
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The British journalist you speak of was an arrogant fool.No one, not even a journalist, can expect safe passage in a war zone when told to move.
Many Arabs prefer Israeli rule over Moslem rule.
Yes, Israel is forced to use brutal tactics, at times.
However, Israel has also tried, repeatedly, to make peace.
You are talking about individual instances of Israel using force against specific individuals.
You have not mentioned the number of times “old women” or “pregnant women” have had bombs strapped to their bodies and blew up dozens of innocent people.
You have not questioned why the oil rich Moslem states have NEVER tried to build hospitals or real services in Gaza.
You seem clueless to the fact that when the border is “closed” due to terrorist attacks on Israel, the border is, indeed CLOSED!
The best way for Palestinians to make sure that their access to Israeli medical care continues is for Palestinians to turn against the Palestinian terrorists.
“The British journalist you speak of was an arrogant fool.”
Yea, he tried to tell the TRUTH! That must not be allowed; only NEWSPEAK is allowed in the Reich!
The cameraman you speak of was comming out of a Palestinian home that was being demolished.
That home was being demolished beczause it contained a tunnel that was being used to smuggle weapons to the terrorists.
The IDF claims that Israeli soldiers were fired upon, first, before they returned fire.
Again, cameramen and reporters in a war zone are taking a huge risk.
They are there at THERE OWN RISK.
Their own risk
“The IDF claims that Israeli soldiers were fired upon”
Yea, and Dennis Rader claims that the women attackeh him first.
The demolition took place FAR OUTSIDE Israel.