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Open thread 8/5
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 5, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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I copied and modified this from some post out there. Fitting way to start the day. This is the forcast for todays blog discussions from beginning to end:
Give Bush haters and lovers a place to creatively write:This is Bush’s warNo Congress approved.He did to.He did not.Prove it.I can prove it.You can’t prove it.You are a liar.You @#%$@#.No you’re the @#$)#u*%I’m reporting you.You communist.I’m telling.Go ahead.That’s it you are banned.I’m back.You are still a liar.You are still a troll.Am not.Are to.I’m walking on by.
crud:
You’re being optimistic.
You know this is one bill bush will veto it takes money from his buddies.And, it’s for that damn renewable type energy, which would makes us less dependent on his favorites in Saudi Arabia. Doesn’t have a chance in hell!
U.S. House shifts $16 bln toward renewable energy By Chris Baltimore
Sat Aug 4, 9:29 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday passed a Democratic rewrite of U.S. energy policy that strips $16 billion in tax incentives away from Big Oil and puts it toward renewable energy sources like wind and solar power.
ADVERTISEMENTThe 786-page bill, passed in a rare Saturday vote, was a top priority for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and is an amalgam of bills assembled by about a dozen of the chamber’s committees in recent months.
Republicans called it a “no-energy bill” because it lacks new drilling incentives, and they derided the new emphasis on renewables as “green pork.” The White House threatened to veto the bill on concerns that it could boost energy prices.
House Republican leader John Boehner said the bill “cuts the lifeblood of our economy off at the knees by increasing taxes to pay for green pork projects,” referring to billions of dollars of “energy conservation bonds” that would finance renewable projects.
The bill, the New Direction for Energy Independence, National Security, and Consumer Protection Act and the related tax title would spur a massive redistribution of federal incentives to wind, solar, geothermal and away from producing energy from oil, natural gas and coal.
“It’s an historic turn away from a fossil fuel agenda and toward a renewable energy agenda for America,” said Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts Democrat. “It has been a long time coming.”
The bill sets new standards for appliances and building efficiency codes, and spurs possible renegotiation of faulty Gulf of Mexico drilling leases signed by the Clinton administration that left about $2 billion on the table.
UTILITIES FACE PENALTIES
The House voted 220-190 to add a controversial amendment that would require U.S. utilities to generate 15 percent of their electricity from renewable sources like wind and solar by 2020. Utilities in Southeast and Midwest states that lack wind currents needed to justify new wind turbines would have to pay billions of dollars in penalties to comply with the rules.
“It’s a giant tax,” said Rep. Cliff Stearns, Florida Republican, noting that 24 states have already adopted similar standards. “Let each state work this out for themselves.”
Notably absent from the bill is a hike in automobile fuel efficiency standards, which Pelosi put off until the fall to avoid a bruising fight with fellow Democrats including Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell of Michigan, the staunch auto industry ally who says he wants to deal with fuel standards in global warming legislation later this year.
The Senate in June approved a bill that hikes auto fuel standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2020, a standard that U.S. automobile executives say could devastate struggling Detroit automakers like General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co.
The House bill must be reconciled with the Senate version, which is markedly different.
Republicans and oil-state Democrats criticized provisions in the tax portion of the House bill that would repeal reduced tax rates for major integrated oil companies, and drop foreign income tax deductions for companies that produce oil and natural gas overseas.
Those two measures alone would impose about $16 billion in new industry taxes from 2007-2017 on big U.S oil companies like Exxon Mobil Corp., ConocoPhillips and Chevron Corp., according to the Congressional Budget Office.
U.S. Says It Killed Al Qaeda Mastermind of Golden Dome Mosque BombingAPSunday, August 05, 2007
“BAGHDAD — Haitham Sabah Shaker Mohammed al-Badri was killed in a U.S. operation Thursday east of Samarra, the U.S. military said in a statement.
The military said al-Badri was the Al Qaeda in Iraq emir of Salahuddin province, and the mastermind responsible for the bombing of the Askariya mosque’s minarets on June 13.
“Al-Badri was positively identified by close associates and family members,” the statement said.
The Shiite shrine’s minarets were brought down by suspected Al Qaeda militants in June. An earlier bombing, in February 2006, destroyed the same mosque’s golden dome and set in motion an unrelenting cycle of retaliatory sectarian bloodletting.”
Neocon/Zionist propaganda blames mythical “al-Qaeda” on its violence generated destruction in Iraq. By bombing one side then blaming it on the other, stealing their oil goes unnoticed.
From THE GUARDIAN { UK }
Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
Ed Vuillamy in WashingtonSunday April 20, 2003The Observer
Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
More…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940250,00.html
Wow. WTF happened to the blog yesterday? That open thread is a piece of work. Jesus wept, I think the troll must be in his manic phase right now.
Mary, grasshoppers are a problem all over this year. I ordered organic bait over the internet last year, but I think it just made the hoppers mad. And FAT if you can believe it.
I dont have a good answer for hoppers. Keep the weeds and other vegetation down around the garden so they dont have any place to hide.
A friend of mine bought a buncha praying mantis and swears they keep the hoppers down.
My other solution? Plant enough for everyone, including the hoppers. Then pick like hell…
Oh, and JR, good to see you again. Thanks for the defense, but I am pretty sure regulars here know me and how I feel about trolling and nic stealing, etc.
And Rage, good to see you again buddy. You can see what JM has turned the blog into. Sorry. We used to have a lot of fun here. I thought about you, Rage, when they send Tucson was flooding. Hope all is well with you. We miss you.
hee hee hee hee
I thought the sock puppets yesterday whining that all the “usual people” were lazy ass liberals still in bed with no job.
hee hee hee hee.
Well, I was off to the farmers markets by 6am or so, worked all day and half the night, and today, it’s work all day again. SO much for lazy libs.
And it is ESPECIALLY funny to hear it come from the so called “disabled vet” who does INDEED blog all day and night.
Clearly he has the physical ability and stamina to do that, but he cant get a job? I mean, other than the spamming you see here?
hehehehehehehehehhehe
Like I always say, you just cant make this crazy stuff up…..
Good morning Farm Girl!
Turkeys. Raise turkeys along with your garden and they eat the grasshoppers. Then when your picking the last of your acorn squash you’ll also have everything you need for Thanksgiving!
Hank
Ok, gotta go. Gotta have more lesbian sexcapades before I go out and destroy a straight marriage, turn a few children against god, munch a couple of fetuses for breakfast.
Then I have to go to the mailbox to collect my welfare checks, find a couple of young folks to hold up at gun point for their social security money, and then I gotta do some liberal trolling on a conservative blog.
A socialist’s work is never done…
heheheheeh Hank! Good morning to you too!
The hoppers are a real problem out here. More rain than usual, so WTF? LAST year the word was the hoppers were a problem because we didnt have ENOUGH rain?
I never heard of turkeys solving the hopper problem, but we were talking about raising some turkeys yesterday at the farmers market? Were you there listening in?
I know geese eat stickers, and boy, I got the Downer Creek sticker patch going strong this year. Sandy soil. But geese also take a crap every time they take a step, and I hate that.
But turkeys sound promising, and maybe a goose or two next year. The laying birds are fat and happy.
And the meat birds have made ME fat and happy.
Cattle out in the pasture are fat too this year. Thinking about a few hogs next year. And some Irish Dexter cattle. Good butterfat content in their milk.
heheheh. Typical farmer. I already have next year planned out with no thought to how to finish THIS year….
Hank, I have a TON of acorn squash planted and a bunch of butternut as well. Also some GIANT butternuts that are supposed to get 30lb or so. I dont know how they will taste though.
Yesterday I took beautiful tomatoes ($2.00lb) three kinds of green beans ($1.5 lb) yellow squash (25-50 cents), potatoes ($1.50lb, and four kinds of cukes for 30-50 cents each.
I’ll have mo’ stuff next week. Like melons….
Oh, and one more thing before I am out the door to do the afore mentioned things….
Might I say, Crowson, that while your work is always art at its highest form, you outdid yourself today with your cartoon.
My sentiments exactly about the lunch box kind of voters rebelling against the chamber and the churches.
However, they are so busy working and raising their families, I wonder how their turnout will be?
I tell ya, this business alliance to keep OUT business is the damndest thing I have ever seen…
Only in the land of wingnuttia do churches and chambers and business leaders and the newspaper urge a vote AGAINST new business and new money coming into the community.
Another good link about the problems GMO crops are causing for organic farmers via cross pollination and contaminated seeds.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×1513665
Hey, Crud, don’t be naive.
Any blog that refuses to allow that dialogue loses readership.
I’ve been doing this since the word “blog” was invented, from coast to coast and even overseas.
Go down on the street, and you will find both argument and discussion, vitriol and reason.
This is “The Street” as far as the internet is concerned.
I think the Eagle staffers should be careful not to let people post under multiple aliases or post as someone else who has commented, but outside those constraintsm this blog should represent free speech, even the kind you don’t like.
Since when was there EVER any place with the kind of comity you suggest these “street blogs” must possess?
Scroll past the trash and read the rest of it carefully.
DId you stop to consider when you poasted your first comment that it might itself be ther very kind of drivel you condemn?
Why didn’t you go to an issue or an idea, insteasd of criticiziing others for their open dialogue?
Because you, too, are just like the rest of us and criticism is in your blood.
Go back to yesterday’s open thread, and read it more carefully, you will see that most of the talk you mentioned was actually promulgated by a single, compulsive poser, having a dialogue with themselves.
I agree, Chas engages him, and so does the Cap’n, but it seems typically for the purpose of exposing one of the troll’s charades, not just to insult the poster, because they have been on this blog long enough to see the patterns of this simple-minded ideologue.
Personally, I am glad they let us know, I’m quite new here.
When a blog like the Eagle allows posers (people posting under other peoples’ names)and sock-puppets (people posting as multiple characters to seem like a consensus) it does more to confuse the real issues than any sort of diatribic interchange.
Big johnson? hehehehehehheehe…..
No, I dont think anyone will EVER accuse a troll of that. heheheheh.
Go away troll. No one is feeding you here.
‘I dont have a good answer for hoppers.’
I don’t think there is one…
When they are this thick, the birds, the bass, the critters all feast heartily on them. While hoppers might cause us some serious crop damage, they also are part of the food chain that ebbs and flows with cycles and seasons.
But with the honeybees declining, for whatever reason, no doubt manmade, the balance between the plants that are being pollinated and those being devoured might well be disrupted, if the hoppers thrive while the bees declne.
What have we done?
I didnt know it took six hours to collect disability checks…
NOte to troll: don’t pose as me.
Pose as any thing you want, but do not ever again use my name for one of your posts.
ANyone else out there who’s being misrepresented, after tou have comented here and lefft your moniker, can clickmy link, send me an email, and lert me know if you have been misrepresented.
Maybe we can start something in a legal vein to keep these fakers from using our names for their pernicious purposes.
Once again, DO NOT USE MY NAME ever again, or I will seek legal recourse.
I think a few posters here have actually had their lawyers send letters to the troll, but obviously, it does no good.
I think feeding the lawyers is about as bad as feeding the trolls.
With VT excepted, of course!
farmgirl, you a homesteader?
I am quite concerned about the lack of roadside produce these days, it is all now at the farmer’s markets (which is great, but what happened to all those old stands?)
Me and my youngest son managed a berry farm retail shop in California for a couple of years, one of those u-pick places.
We sol;d berries, peaches, apples etc etc from the on-site orchard, and people could also go pick their own.
Are there any u-pick places like that anywhere in the state these days, we have found a couple remote orchards (Bushton!), but except for the big operations, there’s no more of these little-guys left.
Oterh than the farmer’s markets, the only way to go pick your own is to grow it yourself.
Seems to me there’s an entrepenurial opportunity here for some produce growers.
The Californi grocer’s association once tried to lobby for the state to outlaw produce stands and farmer’s markets.
You can imagine where that went.
Hey, my son’s a lawyer!
And he’s a pretty honorable guy.
So, there are exceptions to every rule (HA!)
JEP, I’m 51 and I dont remember roadside produce stands in Kansas. At least not out here.
The problem with “pick yer own” operations is that first of all, the customers trample the produce, ruin the good veggies, pick the best and trash the rest. I would never allow pick yer own folks on my farm.
Second, both road side and pick yer own stands require… wait for it… POPULATION to make a go of it. Not enough population west of Salina to support those operations.
KS dept of tourism “ag” tourism experts note that most “day trips” are within 80 miles of home. Hell, that wont get anyone from even Salina out here.
Farmers markets provide a gathering place, in the face of sparce population, to get a critical mass of customers. It’s also a good place for the growers to network.
You might think being “competitors” that we wouldnt be too friendly. Wrong. I routinely send folks to other vendors for produce, and I spent about an hour yesterday helping a newbie with tips on marketing and farmers market strategy.
We all sink or swim in this business together. BTW, I sold OUT of everything yesterday except half a bag of taters and two bags of large cukes. The little cukes went first…
“I think a few posters here have actually had their lawyers send letters to the troll, but obviously, it does no good.”
Well, they had best inform the Eagle staff about it, because they are responsible for removing sock-puppets and posers.
Like I said, there’s no legal precedent yet, but the fact that we are willing to link to our personal sites establishes our identity to the point that, if someone uses my name, (like the troll did in with my name the wee hours of the morning on last night’s thread,) then they have crossed a well-established legal line. It just has never been applied to the internet and the blogs and tried in court.
Usually, the poser ends up paying bookoo bucks to those they impersonated.
Like I said, it hasn’t happened with the blogs yet, but this can change quite easily, out troll(s) seems quite willing to cross that line, even under threat of losing some of that easy money.
Oh, and JEP, the other thing about farmers markets is that I use it for cheap advertising and getting new customers.
We could have sold everything this week WITHOUT going to the market. I have people call all week looking for produce because I have an established reputation. I made deliveries from Hays to Quinter last week.
So sometimes I just go to the market to hand out business cards and give away samples. It results in loyal customers and repeat business.
And you know, the most expensive customer to get is the first one. The repeats are the cheapest customers to get!
Both of my grandfathers were farmers and what they did to control grasshoppers was:
-Planted small trees and hedges around their garden plots.
- Kept weeds and other plant life (flower gardens) away from the F&V garden.
- Not so much grasshoppers, but planting their spices (dill, mint) along garden edges as a natural prevention from certain insects.
- Used screen covers on small tomatoes (cherry) to prevent hoppers from chewing on the plants
- Kept garden weeded. Any straw bed mulching, like for strawberries was kept a distance away from tomatoes.
- Kept pasture and yard area mowed around garden plot. (especially important in early spring when hoppers are hatched.
This of course is all natural prevention and it works to a certain degree, plus it creates an attractive area for your garden.
Where are some of the best farmer’smarkets at?
I’ll take a “crop tour” next weekend to check a couple of them out…
“JEP, I’m 51 and I dont remember roadside produce stands in Kansas. At least not out here.”
Actually, now that you mention it, I’m remembering my childhood in Iowa more than my years raising my family in Kansas.
And you are quite correct about the u-pick shoppers, they can surely wreak havoc on a row of peppers.
Hey JEP, where were you in Iowa??
“We could have sold everything this week WITHOUT going to the market.”
Sounds like time for expansion?The fact thaqt you can deliver fresh produce to someone’s front door sounds downright revolutionary.
Watch out, the grocery lobby will hire a plague of locusts to wipe you out…
Maybe we can rent some seagulls from the Mormons? I think Romney has always lamented the fact that his ancestors didn’t have enough chickens to capitalize on that grasshopper plague.
Farmgirl, people like you, growers who actually feed their neighbors and friends instead of the commodity markets, may one day be the norm again, instead of the exception.
Chas.
I was raised in Jefferson, went to JR high and HS at Des Moines Lincoln, on the southside with all the italians.
Our neighborhood was the Tucci’s, the Acri’s, the Annanuci’s, the Anania’s and the Scorpiniti’s.
And the Pattersons.
One of the more learned Italian-girls-next-door used to call our back hedge “Hadrian’s wall.”
“Farmgirl, people like you, growers who actually feed their neighbors and friends instead of the commodity markets, may one day be the norm again, instead of the exception.”
Of course I hope so, but I doubt it. If there were BIG money to be made in this, it would be taken over by Monsanto.
Oh, wait a minute… that is ALREADY happening!
I had a guy bitch yesterday about my dollar fifty green beans. “They sell ‘em for 99cents at Walmart” he cried.
heheheheh. I was at Walmart and they were $1.60 there.
My answer to him? “Gosh, you should probably run right over there and buy all they have”.
And I refused to sell him any. I saw him later buying from another vendor at $2.00 a lb.
hehehehehehehhe…..
Like I said, dont THINK we vendors dont work together…
I think I know what part of town you were in… I graduated Seminary in Dubuque, our Conference office is in Des Moines, and I served a congregation in Sioux City a couple of years back…
Oh, and as for the expansion? Every year for the last 3 years, I have DOUBLED the size of my garden, so I have expanded exponentially.
The market hasnt even been tapped by a third. In ANY agricultural business, the problems is rarely surplus. It is usually not having ENOUGH product, not too much.
I could STILL sell twice what I have this year.
KFG your operation sounds like what they called “truck farming” out in New Mexico… In Nebraska, Lincoln had one of the biggest farmer markets in the State in the old Haymarket district every Saturday… it was usually on my shopping list every weekend
Now I really better get out there and DO the farming instead of talking about it.
Have fun with the trolls, the wingnuts and the clueless today.
“They sell ‘em for 99cents at Walmart”
Since when did they start importing green beans from China?
(HA!)
Hey, with all the rain this year, it is looking more like Iowa around here every day, right down to the dryland corn acreage…
I guess Kansas farmers might be one of those self-interesrted groups thatmight say “What’s so bad about global warming.”
But then we forget the big freeze that wiped out our wheat this year.
If these wet patterns keep up, Kansas would become the most productive acreage on the face of the Earth, not just for wheat, but for many other crops.
like tumbleweeds and sandburrs :)
I would like to see Kansas become productive at something besides providing laughs and giggles over our beloved Board of Education, and the wingnuttia, and the Tiller clinic, etc., etc.
We really need that kind of publicity… We could use more airline usage in Wichita… We could use new job sources, and new manufacturing…
It has always been one of my crazy questions, but why cant Kansas attract any car makers?? I think I know the answer… but still, maybe thats another part of the problem in this state..
“If there were BIG money to be made in this, it would be taken over by Monsanto.”
We lived a couple blocks fromMonsanto’s HQ in Davis, CA.
Someone (and it wasn’t me) stomped down a field of predatory soybeans that Monsanto had developed with UCDavis, a crop that could have literally sterilized our soybeans as we know them, providing Monsanto with a monopoly from hell.
Also, in Iraq, Monsanto got the US to force Iraqis to destroy all their local seed stocks, and they were going to be required to use only Monsanto seed.
Do you have any isdea what sorts of heritage and heirloom varieties come from that area?
Most of our vine fruits, many of our tree fruits, and more than one unique strain of melon, are being systematically eliminated, so Monsanto (and Pioneer and Funk’s and Latham’s etc. et al) can make even more profit.
With profit like that, who needs losses? Imagine the implications, if this war in Iraq also serves as cover for Monsanto to destroy all the natural competition to their frankenfoods.
Growing up in Iowa, our famiuly owned a seed company, (Turner Hybrid, in Grand Junction)corn, soybeans and grain sourgum.
So I’ve seen the hybrids work, without a pernicious influence (other than what is inherent in monoculture farming) on the surrounding plants.
Some of these Frankenseeds Monsanto has developed will actually wipe out the competition for them, by crossbreeding and sterilizing the open-pollinated heirloom plants.
“like tumbleweeds and sandburrs :)”
Rain falls on the weeds right alng with the crops.
Maybe we need to learn to use those weeds…
It could all be converted into Biobutanol. You know, all that switchgrass talk seems to disregard that even ditch weeds can be turned into energy.
Never heard of it? You WILL!
Here’s a couple links to that amazing new-old idea.
http://butanol.com/
http://jep-betweenthelines.blogspot.com/2007/03/biofuels-tomorrow-is-upon-us.html
Here’s a good lawyer joke…
I just made it up
Q. How many lawyers does it take to sue a troll for impersonation?
A. One
The following quote rings true, especially after reading the drivel posted here by the resident liberal bedwetters.
\”The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.\”-Sir Winston Churchill
OK, I’ll stop for a while.
Sorry for the obvious anger over being impersonated, but it really gets in my craw when these hypocrites who decry “the rule of law” have no moral barriers of their own.
Dul;
Churchill never considered Democracy a failure, while he lamented its faults, he also called it the “best” of all possible alternatives.
So your quote, as is usual from a rightwing handwringer, is a bit truncated, you should include the whole thought and not the particle that promotes your prejudice.
I’ll find the whole quote.
Back later…
Hang on JEP I think they are waking up!! Wasnt Gul Dukat a character on Star Trek Deep Space 9???
That was easy…
“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
Winston Churchill
So, which quote is uplifting and hopeful, and which one is demeaning and hopeless?
Yes, Dukat was a “traitor” to his people and home planet… hmmmm Strange he shows up on the Blog!!
And just think, JEP some of these folks Vote!! scary!!
Fools and morons deserve to be demeaned. There some \”FORMS\” of government that have not yet been tried. :)
Fools and morons deserve to be demeaned. There some \”FORMS\” of government that have not yet been tried. :)
Chas, sorry, I was never much of a Trekkie.
Was “it” a good guy or a bad guy.
And also, why do these rightwingers never have a link that identifies their true selves.
I realize farmgirl doesn’tm have a link either, but there is little doubt about her ID, she is up front about it.
Hey, FG, I’ll build you free web page if you could use one…
I sure like what you are doing. It would be great to see more people growing more produce for local consumption.
NPR recently featured some folks who are organizing a very concerted effort to promote local food production.
The more, the healthier!
sir,
Were I a liberal, I would not throw the word traitor about.
Hey, Hank, did you take a gander at that stringer I posted last night?
http://jep-betweenthelines.blogspot.com/
Dul;
…just what “form” of government are you threatening us with?
Gul Dukat was a good guy most of the time at Deep Space 9, but he was a traitor to his own people..
A Cardassian a “good Guy” in the ST World?
JEP, mostly his character on the show was a PITA… BIG PITA
Dukat, please elaborate on this comment: “sir,
Were I a liberal, I would not throw the word traitor about.
Posted by: Gul Dukat | August 05, 2007 at 10:16 AM”
Ohh boyyyy And They’re OFFFF!!!
Thanks for all the tips, guys…hopefully I can keep the hoppers away from my tomatoes with the ideas! Nothing taste better than home grown, ripened on the vine, organic tomatoes.
Yesterday I found free range, organic chicken at our local grocery, it’s amazing how much better and cleaner the meat tastes. Reminds me of the wonderful fried chicken I grew up eating as a child.
jeep,
No threats from me, just a statement. All forms of government come and go, and history does not progress in a linear fashion. The evil, corrupt, inefficient democratic form of government has been discredited and will not last beyond the next ten years.
jeep,
No threats from me, just a statement. All forms of government come and go, and history does not progress in a linear fashion. The evil, corrupt, inefficient democratic form of government has been discredited and will not last beyond the next ten years.
Back for ice tea:)
Mary, I noticed the same things about my chickens this year. Mom and Dad quit chickens when I was about 8, and I had TOTALLY forgotten what homegrown, never frozen chicken tasted like.
To over use a phrase, it REALLY tastes like chicken! Heheheh.
All the other meats that folks say
“tastes just like chicken” says more about factory CHICKENS than it does about the other meats.
It would be more accurate to say modern chickens taste like (pick one) alligator, rattlesnake, rabbit, frog legs, et al.
Sorry I cant bring any of my homegrown chickens to the next meetup. They are already gone. Heheh.
Hey Jep!
Yes I did! I’ve got a recipe for catfish stew that will make you want to slap yo mamma!
And to continue on with last night’s thread, I trial bearded collies. I’ve got an eight year old one that is doing quite well nationally, we took second place at the last two nationals.
I’ve got an eighteen month old beardie that will be at his first trial in Rulo, Nebraska in two weeks.
Joy. Dogs have always been a very happy part of my life but beardies bring me joy!
Hank
Hey Jep!
Yes I did! I’ve got a recipe for catfish stew that will make you want to slap yo mamma!
And to continue on with last night’s thread, I trial bearded collies. I’ve got an eight year old one that is doing quite well nationally, we took second place at the last two nationals.
I’ve got an eighteen month old beardie that will be at his first trial in Rulo, Nebraska in two weeks.
Joy. Dogs have always been a very happy part of my life but beardies bring me joy!
Hank
The TROLL writes, “my grandfathers were farmers and what they did to control grasshoppers was: [sic, a colon can only follow an independent clause]
-Planted small trees and hedges around their garden plots.
Great idea. Not only is it hugely time consuming and expensive, it will shade the plants and stunt their growth. Also, the competing trees and shrubs will suck water away from the veggies.
- Kept weeds and other plant life (flower gardens) away from the F&V garden.
You mean they WEEDED the garden. Wow! What a concept! Visionary . . .
- Not so much grasshoppers, but planting their spices (dill, mint) along garden edges as a natural prevention from certain insects.
I guess they put the herbs right in with the “small trees and shrubs.” Also, considering that hoppers are known to eat the wooden handle of a rake, I doubt that mint is going to stop them.
- Used screen covers on small tomatoes (cherry) to prevent hoppers from chewing on the plants
This along with the trees will insure that life-giving sunlight will be completely blocked . . .
- Any straw bed mulching, like for strawberries was kept a distance away from tomatoes.
Implying that grasshoppers love tomatos but will avoid strawberries? Also, mulch is not much of an attractant for grasshoppers, and mulching tomatoes is just about the best thing one can do to keep them hydrated and prevent blossom end rot.
- Kept pasture and yard area mowed around garden plot. (especially important in early spring when hoppers are hatched.)
Because grasshoppers which tunnel up and out of the ground when the weather turns warm are totally confused by mown grass?
When I worked in a greenhouse for many summers, I met a lot of good gardeners. Very few of them were also crop farmers . . .
Agree with MaryC. and KSFrmGrrl on the homegrown chicken.
My parents raised chickens as a hobby on their little farm and eventually quit when they totalled up all the costs and found that they couldn’t raise them cheaper than what they could buy them for in the store.
Factory farming in which chickens never set foot on solid ground is too efficient to compete against purely on cost.
HOWEVER, you’re right, the chickens they raised were much better than the watery, flavorless type one buys in the store.
It was real meat, as opposed to a meat-like substance.
I’m sure the meat is also better for you, no hormones. I wish I could raise chickens, maybe someday. My sister had laying hens that she treated like spoiled pets..even put curtains in their henhouse! Her eggs were wonderful..the yellowist yolks you ever saw and the flavor was way superior to store bought eggs. Nothing like happy chickens to get the best eggs.
Don’t know if any of you read the NY Times, but there is a very vivid mea culpa currently posted by one of the original war supporters.
The mea culpa parade has begun, you can expect a lot of really intelligent people who misjudged the war and blindly supported the neocons’ subterfuge, to begin to come forward and apologize for their short-sightedness.
This is one of the most evolved and evocative mea culpa’s so far, and it covers a lot of ground we will be seeing from intelligent people who must admit they were wrong, just to regain their self-respect.
Something we aren’t likely to see on these “street blogs” where the Bush/Cheney ideologues languish.
Here’s that link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/magazine/05iraq-t.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
PS does this sound like a patriot to anyone?”The evil, corrupt, inefficient democratic form of government has been discredited and will not last beyond the next ten years.”
So, what’s left, are you suggesting a divine intervention?
Read your Bible, friend, that is something that happens in your heart, not your government.
It is then up to those of us whose hearts are full, to make our democratic government work the way our founding fathers and mothers dreamed it would some day.
Democracy and Divine Guidance are very compatible, but it is through the sum of our divinity that we govern. not one person’s perspective. And the only way to tally that sum is to vote.
Democratically.
I might be wrong about where you are going with this one, Dul, but if that is what you mean, you need to read both Early American History and The New Testament more carefully…
Hank;
According to family lore, some of my Scottish ancestors were involved in developing a couple of those herding breeds, it always amazes me to watch one of those sheepherding trials, is that the kind you mean?
When I was homesteading, I caught on to that cost-effective conundrum. Unless you raise your own feed, the factory chickens cost less than the locals to raise.
Unless you are creative… we put a bug-zapper light in front of the coop, and every morning when I let them out, the birds had a big pile of fried bugs to eat.
Best eggs and meat I ever raised.
Worked in a Greenhouse for a few summers eh Capn?
Come back and let me know when you know how to deal with 500 or more acres of land and raising crops, including fruits and vegetables.
It’s very obvious you never made any grow out of anything larger than a pot or a 20×20 garden.
Listening to Gates on “Tim Russert” telling how Anbar Province Iraq had become so clam that troops could be moved elsewhere was laughable, because the lack of violence was because the troops had gone elsewhere, which makes the case for leaving to restore order.
Listening to that propaganda spin was a “Cringe-moment”
Yep. Jep,
Sheep herding trials. Bearded Collies are Scotish Sheepdogs. They were developed to work in the highlands of Scotland.
I compete in all breed trials. ASCA, AHBA and AKC. I’ve only been doing it for about six years. It pretty much consumes most of my spare time.
Hank
How’s this work. al-Badri is a Sunni member of Al Qaeda. He blows up a Shiite shrine. He becomes a hero to the Sunni. The Shiite kill the Sunni, the Sunni kill the Shiite. We kill al-Badri…who kills us?
Some idea on controlling,
Topic Grashopper,http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=28
See “Minimize grasshopper damage” at,http://www.naturalgardeneraustin.com/information/monthly/june.html
Has a spray recipe using diatomaceous earth.
Hey, a sane thread! Kewl.
“thought about you, Rage, when they send Tucson was flooding. Hope all is well with you. We miss you.”
Thanks again, KFG, I appreciate that. Ya know, they have these huge “washes” that draw off the flood waters at certain locations, but they seem not to have heard of storm drains. . .
I hate to say that I miss Wichita, but I gotta say I do. The usual reasons aside, at least I’m USED to the crappy weather there! :-)
Typical Tucson forecast, when it’s not rainy: HOT. DRY. RINSE. REPEAT. Blech!
Jep,
On the topic of nic-stealing, the many-named troll Kansas, aka, Republican, aka ** K H A N **, aka ‘blank’, etc., stole J M Walker’s nic, using TypeKey.
The TypeKey profile of this,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25.html#comment-70812508
and next 2 posts = Republikhan (put mouse pointer over nic).
See 11:43 PM and later posts.
And more the next day,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_26.html
Plus he lied about what caused the New Orleans levees to fail.
P.S. How’s the restaurant doin’?
P.P.S. Just when I’m ready to jump back in the water, and call myself a Democrat again. . . .
doo. . .DOO!doo. . .DOO!doo-DOO, doo-DOO, doo-DOO, doo-DOO!. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401744.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Sigh. . .(Still) An Unaffiliated Voter
Boyda and Moore voted against the Big Brother warantless wiretaps which Tiahrt voted for it. It shouldn’t come as a big surprise to anyone that Tiahrt votes in favor of fascism since he campaigned on smaller government (like he campaigned on term limits and fiscal conservatism) and he lies about everything.
Sadly 41 Democrats put on their kneepads to please Bush by voting against the Constitution.
Iraq: Turning American Blood into Jewish Oil.
From THE GUARDIAN { UK }Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
Ed Vuillamy in WashingtonSunday April 20, 2003The Observer
Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
More…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940250,00.html
“Jep,
On the topic of nic-stealing, the many-named troll Kansas, aka, Republican, aka ** K H A N **, aka ‘blank’, etc., stole J M Walker’s nic, using TypeKey.”
I noticed, there’s nothing posted on that typekey profile page…
This poser and all his sock-puppets are a real Chicken.
A lawyer-friend, nothing official yet, just told me that I may actually have a case against whoever posted in my nic, because I had clearly established my real identity with a link.
So, as long as the Eagle keeps that comment posted, I actually do have legal grounds for a lawsuit. And so does anyone else who has been impersonated, as long as you clearly established your real identity or info somewhere in an earlier post.
I guess that is the hinge point of such a case, whether the person impersonated was clearly identifiable to others familiar with the site.
Still trying to decide what to do about it, I would really enjoy being the first blogger to take a poser to court, win or lose.
It would surely be a first, as far as I know.
It would require, though, getting the Eagle records of the IP address, but that apparently does have some precedent, in similar but not quite the same cases. For that reason alone, I probably won’t pursue it, unless it keeps happening.
To anyone.
I don’t hold the Eagle staffers respnsible, really, they’re a good bunch, for the most part. But they do need some mods to keep the posers and puppets under control. And it is not a hard job to do, when the poser posts a comment, the IP address always shows. They can even put atuomated filters on to screen that IP address.
Republican’s “try 500 acres” criticism of Capn is emblematic of the failure modus. The premise that something a person or a family can do on a 20x 20 foot plot is worthless, which is to say, growing 20 different nutritious fruits and vegetables with loving care, is not worthwhile, compared to growing 500 acres of commodity crops that help people to be brain-nutrient deprived, get fat, get diabetes, and die young, is a sophomoric (fallacious) innuendo.
Personally, I think Kansas farmers need to switch to lower-acreage greenhouse agriculture, combined with wildlife-supporting return-to-natural stewardship.
For example, I grew 90% of our family’s vegetables and fruits on a small plot in southern coastal California, which is to say, we had year-round production. For example, tomatoes from late June through Christmas. Snow peas and vitamin-rich red leafy lettuce from September through June. Carrots year-round. Scallions year round.
Kansas doesn’t have California’s climate, but it has enough sunlight to produce crops year-round. Greenhouses in Kansas can produce things from October thru June. When it gets too hot, go to outside ag.
KFG’s farmer’s market probably runs June through early October. Then consumers have to go back to Dillon’s and Wal-Mart. What about keeping it going year-round, like farmer’s markets do in California?
On poultry, go back to heirloom / heritage breeds (e.g. dump broad-breasted white turkeys in favor of bronze turkeys) and connect with consumers who are willing to pay for tasty meat.
Let people raise their own chickens, rabbits and pot-bellied pigs in suburbs. “I don’t want the smell, I want to ingest odorless cancer-causing industrial toxins that will injure and kill me and my children.”
Kids can learn a lot more from helping their families grow and raise food than mass-industry-paradigm schools can teach them.
I’m sure JEP could care less less what I did months ago cosmos.
I told everyone at the time it was a joke. I mean, why should I use my typekey account to log in to troll someone. Use your brain cosmos.
And you still bring up your bitter defeat on levees that’s four months old now. Get over it or be branded as a lunatic who stalks people.
BTW JEP, cosmos has posted that same info everyday on almost every topic for the past three months. That cosmos person is insane.
“…compared to growing 500 acres of commodity crops that help people to be brain-nutrient deprived, get fat, get diabetes, and die young, is a sophomoric (fallacious) innuendo.”
MPS, you sure make a lot of assumptions. But I suppose Hollyfornians do that don’t they?
One grandfather raised alfalfa and johnson grass hay, along with garden type crops. The other raised milo, corn, barley and of course the large garden acreage.
These were farmers, not some city slickers who think they know everything there is to know about agriculture. Both lived well into their mid and late 80s.
My post was offered as a natural way to keep crops healthy, but CapnAmerica decided once again to use it as an opportunity to use his internal viciousness to mock something he has no clue about.
‘Global-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine
The Truth About Denial’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20122975/site/newsweek/6 pages, or get ‘Full Article’ at bottom of page.
A short list of groups, MO, and their funding,
‘Responding to Global Warming Skeptics — Prominent Skeptics Organizations’http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
The only thing that I was mocking is Republican’s arrogance.
The man is an expert on everything (in his own mind). And given that he so routinely lies about everything, one has to wonder not only if his grandfathers really were farmers, but whether he even had grandfathers . . .
As for me, I did spend six summers working in a greenhouse-nursery. And I don’t know everything about gardening, but I know enough to know that 75 percent of what Republican posted about insect control was pure crap.
Back to walk. on. by.
BTW, Cosmos, diotamacheous (volcanic) earth is supposed to be good. I tried it years ago and it seemed to help.
It cuts the shell of the insect and dehydrates them and they die.
As hard as Bush tries to censor the war he lied to start, he just cannot do it. Not in the age of the net. He can scare the newspapers and TV from running photos of the war but he cannot scare off the everyday person. You can see some of Bush’s casualties here but don’t go there unless you have ate already:http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
JEP,
Looks like the editors deleted the posts with your stolen identity on the previous thread.
Okay, JEP, I see that someone posted over my nic several times after midnight this morning.
I’d be interested in talking to your lawyer friend too about pursuing a lawsuit.
It’d be worth it just to find out who RepubliKhansas is in real life for sure.
Send me an e-mail at my type-key page link.
Thanks,
CapnA.
” don’t hold the Eagle staffers respnsible, really, they’re a good bunch, for the most part. But they do need some mods to keep the posers and puppets under control. And it is not a hard job to do, when the poser posts a comment, the IP address always shows. They can even put atuomated filters on to screen that IP address.”
The Wichita Eagle does not have the time nor the desire to sit here and babysit this forum. If it gets to be a headache to them, they will just do as Yahoo and The Salina Journal did and shut it down. People here need to quit whining and act like adults. Furthermore you cannot filter IP addresses because most IP providers including AT&T use dynamic IP addresses and not the static IP addresses that business users get. That means that your IP address does not stay the same. It changes all the time to prevent you from putting a server on it.
Republican,
I’m not from “Hollyfornia”. but don’t be afraid to try again.
Diatomaceous earth is not volcanic, it comes from diatoms. I know what we used it for in the Military, but you can ask Ben what he has used it for in experiments and things.
Capn,
Like the Natural Gardener links says,
“Diatomaceous earth looks like talcum powder, but to the insects it is like broken glass.”
Go ahead Capn, file a false suit.
I challenge you to do so.
Don’t be surprised when there is a counter suit for when you accuse somebody of something they never did.
You’re so paranoid, you think every troll on the WE Blog is me or I’m some other poster that has been in your past.
Go ahead Capn, make my day. I’ll be all over you like stink on a skunk.
PS. Republican, my great-grandfather grew barley, milo and hay. His kids realized that wasn’t the smartest way to use the land.
And the reason you aren’t today out on the farm raising alfalfa and Johnson grass hay is…?
And the reason you aren’t today out on the farm raising alfalfa and Johnson grass hay is…?
Posted by: MPS | August 05, 2007 at 03:22 PM
Both Grandfather’s sold off most of their land when they reached their late 60s or early 70s, don’t remember exactly. I believe my maternal grandfather sold it to a neighbor who he had known for 40 years and the other sold his to a nephew who was a realtor.
The paternal grandfather had realized that Wichita and Haysville were encroaching and decided since he was getting to old to farm he might as well sell his land at a profit rather than have the County zone it where he could no longer do it as he pleased.
I did my share of baling hay, the old fashion way, not the wheel rolls they have now. Didn’t like it, it was hot, dirty and too many snakes. Stacking hay bales in the barn and other places at .02 cents a bale wasn’t my idea of having fun.
I entered college and that was that, my path was destined elsewhere. I still have relatives in Grant and Kay County Oklahoma that have several sections of wheat and other crops/livestock.
Hollyfornia comes from an old joke I read as a child. Not sure where it originated from, but my Dad remembers reading about it when he was young or a child (he doesn’t remember exactly.) Probably 1930s time frame I’m guessing.
Republican, let’s do this next year. We both plant a 20 x 20 foot garden in tomatoes. We give 1 point for earliest vine-ripened red tomato, without blemish, 4 points for highest seasonal yield, and 2 points for longest harvest. All plants have to be planted from seed, not seedling transplants.
If both of us start out planting–in Kansas– and I choose a pixie cherry tomato variety for my first harvest that I can get to be red in early June, then use Better Boy tomatoes for my main poundage harvest and extend my harvest until after Chrismas, that wouldn’t be unfair to you, would it, just because I know how to do things using technology that you don’t know, right?
Yeah, no doubt MPS you are superior in intelligence and agriculture wisdom.
If you can figure out I can comfortably garden a 20X20 patch of soft earth while on wrist canes with 10 damaged thoracic and lumbar vertebrae, let me know. Sitting in a chair is not a good option.
I did manage to grow a jalepeno plant from a package this year in my window sill. It was more of a pet than a garden though.
Besides, I never claimed to be a superior farmer. I stated that my grandfathers were farmer. They also had chickens, hogs and cows. I’m sure if they were alive they would be happy to talk about crops and livestock to you.
“The Wichita Eagle does not have the time nor the desire to sit here and babysit this forum.”
You gotta be kidding…
Who told you that? Are you one of the staff?
I know a dozen blogs, with much more limited resources and staff, who do a great job of making sure the trolls don’t cross the legal lines.
If what you say comes from “inside” that staff you claim so callously ignores it’s 4th Estate responsibilities, then you guys need to hire a cheap moderator, because you ovbviously don’t have the blog protocol down very well.
But if it is just your opinion and you think the WE staff is just too “important” to stoop to blog level, then I would guess you are simply wrong.
Either way, your post suggests you prefer to let posers and imposters cross those legal lines.
Like I said, I’m all for free speech, but it isn’t free when you claim to be someone you aren’t.
That is deception. And it imposes a huge cost on the credibility of our discussion.
And just for sensibility’s sake, I don’t “whine” when someone impersonates me.
I just simply do something about it.
“If you can figure out I can comfortably garden a 20X20 patch of soft earth while on wrist canes with 10 damaged thoracic and lumbar vertebrae, let me know. Sitting in a chair is not a good option.”
Meds. The strongest type available.
Maybe that explains the Rush-like personality rollercoaster, the Rush-like unchecked arrogance, and the Rush-like lack of moral compass.
And the odd hours of the day…
And the colorful, surging streaks of wild imagination…
OK, so I get it. And I feel a bit humbled if all this is true.
Let the guy have his troll time, we’ll all just live with it. If it gives him comfort, I think we all can handle it.
Just don’t use my name again.
JEP: What legal lines? There are no legal lines on a blog.
KFG: Pixie cherry tomatoes? That’s cheating.
Christ, the WE Editors have really allowed this blog to become a pit of nic-switching and trolling.
What a waste.
This has gone beyond ridiculous to the truly stupid.
What is next?
All trolls, all the time?
.
I don’t use pain meds JEP. The only time I do is when I am admitted to the hospital for a “full back” spasm. That’s a little too much for me to handle, so the Docs usually give me something to handle that much pain. I use anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxants as needed to keep any agitation down from becoming worse.
The editors DELETED the troll’s Aug 3, 11:51 PM post re punching me in the nose.
Tom’s post remains below it,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/americas-infras.html#comment-78370276
And later on same thread,
“And if Tom is so convinced that is meaningful, turn me in, I’m sure Brownlee needs a good laugh.
Especially a laugh at someone who takes himself so seriously.”Posted by: Republican | August 04, 2007 at 12:13 AM
It looks like Mr. Brownlee did NOT share the troll’s sense of humor(sic).
MPS, check out this You Tube link, if you want to see some children learning how to garden…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nb1O9Jw41g
right here in Kansas!
Not around as much as I’d like these days.
Some new posters may not remember Ian. Ian had some pretty wild posts and not a lot of friends here. But even he could get folks to stand up for him.
I am sure the same is not true of our multi niced curse of a troll.
You think on that one troll boy. There is not even ONE person in this whole forum who cares for you or anything you have to say.
Of course, since your personal social life is probably much the same, I guess being virtually reviled might not bug ya too much.
Door King;
Precedent always waits for its first foothold… but this won’t be it.
As long as no one poses as me or someone else who wants their nic attached only to their own words.
We can tolerate the fake characters, the sock-puppets, it isn’t very honorable, yet some people may actually have more than one persona that needs venting.
But they surely should not pose as the real people with whom they disagree.
That is all I ask, and I’ll drop the whole subject henceforth.
“I know a dozen blogs, with much more limited resources and staff, who do a great job of making sure the trolls don’t cross the legal lines.
If what you say comes from “inside” that staff you claim so callously ignores it’s 4th Estate responsibilities, then you guys need to hire a cheap moderator, because you ovbviously don’t have the blog protocol down very well.”
The best thing to do with trolls and other assorted screw heads is to ignore them. Why let them upset you? That is what they want to do. Secondly, if the Eagle moderated this forum they could be found to be legally responsible for everything posted here. By not moderating it, they cannot be held liable. Why in the Hell would they want that responsibility? They do not have ads on these forums and are not making any money off them. It is provided as a community service.
Okay, right, diatomaceous earth comes from a kind of fossilized sea algae.
I was thinking of perlite.
Perlite is an amorphous volcanic glass that has a relatively high water content. It occurs naturally and has the unusual property of greatly expanding when heated sufficiently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perlite
We used it in the greenhouse too, heh . . .
J R,
No one cares about your opinion of me. You don’t know me and probably never will.
Whenever you get out of your sanctimonious mode, let me know, then we can talk.
As I have written before, go ahead and blame all the recent trolling on me, then get ready for egg on everyone’s face when they find out it wasn’t me.
But it’s just hard to convince those in the party of conspiracy theory otherwise. You know, like Rosie who still believes that steel cannot be contorted in a hot fire like 911 so the only other explanation is that the government planted explosives to weaken the steel beams.
Okay Libs, all put on your tinfoil hats now and party on.
Kook? I’ll put my reputation here against yours any day of the week.
Note to mods;
You have a very interesting and colorful blog here, and I hope these latest gyrations aren’t imposing too much of a time burden on some poor staffer.
Just wanted to say that for the record.
If the commentors would keep the discussion on topic, or at least off-tirade, maybe Today’s Crud would bless us with a serious, insightful post next time.
Reputation on a blog – hahaha!
That gives great insight into your mindset J R.
Like a blog reputation matters. heh
Oh and I note the little self confession there.
Everybody see that? I didn’t name anyone. Troll boy VOLUNTEERED the info.
A kook AND not terribly bright.
Sad.
Most of your posts of late J R are directed towards me, it wasn’t hard to guess.
Go now and put your tinfoil hat back on.
Sheesh he can’t even keep one nic straight for two consecutive posts!
What a maroon.
On to more important matters.
and now comes back with a type key post… interesting…. very interesting….
“The best thing to do with trolls and other assorted screw heads is to ignore them.”
So, Kev, someone posts in your name and insults someone else, you ignore that?
C’mon, get real, if you let them go that far, you destroy what little credibility a blog can claim.
While the media expects us to accept their articles as reliable (when they aren’t) there’s a hard and fast rule about the blogs that might as well be written in stone. We don’t believe anything we read on the blogs, until it starts to get traction and the proof pops up from many quarters.
I adhere to that healthy skepticism and have found it to be absolutely efficient throughout the course of all the lies. But when you can not attribute those posts to their rightful author, then there is no credibility remaining. at all.
When was the last time you read a newspaper article written by an imposter, under someone else’s byline. Think about it.
Seriously, Kev, what would you do if I used your name and spouted a bunch of trash?
I agree, it is easy to scroll past the troll talk…
As long as my name isn’t attached to it.
Not interesting Chas, it’s just the way it works when I go to another Web page. TypePad logs me out and if I forget to sign in, the default signs me in.
But I’ll change the default to Kansas so you can feel better about yourself.
Better Chas?
Cosmos?? The nic stealers posts werent cut out of yesterday(and early a.m. posts)
I dont recall addressing you at any time here Kansas…
Boyda Votes to Cut Funding from Fort RileyContact: Kris Kobach
“Piper, Kansas – Kansas Republican Party Chairman, Kris Kobach, todayresponded to Democrat Nancy Boyda and her vote on Wednesday to cutfunding that would support Fort Riley. Boyda voted with other House Democrats to cut BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) funding by almost $3 billion in FY 2007. This money would have been used to “realign” Fort Riley so that it could activating a Brigade Combat Team and accommodate therelocation of units from Germany and Korea to Fort Riley.
According to Kobach, “Boyda has voted to severely damage the ability for Ft. Riley and other military installations across the country to complete the BRAC process. She has turned her back on Ft. Riley and on the thousands of soldiers depending on the funding to finish importantprojects to complete new construction at Fort Riley.”
“It only took Boyda a few weeks to turn her back on the people ofKansas and the soldiers of Fort Riley,” Kobach said.
The Democratic Funding Bill, HJ Res 20, cuts FY 2007 funding for BRAC by more than 50%.
Kobach noted a similar development in the Kansas Senate. “Just asBoyda makes this disastrous vote, we see Democratic State Senator Donald Betts introducing a resolution condemning the surge of troop reinforcements in Iraq. This resolution is disturbing on two counts. Not only does Senator Betts want to deny our soldiers the reinforcements theyneed, he evidently thinks the Kansas Senate should be determining U.S. military policy. Democrats in the state Senate should try to stay.”
(From the Kansas Republican Party Website)
“Like a blog reputation matters. heh”
Posted by: Republican | August 05, 2007 at 04:47 PM
You post lies, you switch nics, and you stole J M Walker’s nic.
Your “blog reputation” is that you’re a LIAR with zero credibilty, and a obvious suspect for posting using other’s nics.
Enjoy — you did it all to yourself. You know, that “personal responsibility” thing…
I can see where this is heading, and I am not in the mood to battle this crap today… Getting up in the middle of the nite to see posts USING MY NIC AND OTHERS, was just about all I can handle of whoever is doing the Nic stealing, and false postings…. I just want these lunatics to stop using MY NIC…
Go ahead cosmos, prove it – make my day if you have the guts. You will find those trolls are not me.
As I said before, I will expect an apology from each and everyone of those who accused me of doing such things.
I know I won’t get an apology, because none of you are man enough to apologize for making false accusations.
(From the Kansas Republican Party Website)
…remember what I just said about not believing anything on the blogs?
Here’s a great example.
I will SO enjoy watching Boyda kick butt even bigger next time around, this laztest Republican spin is nothing more than desperation tactics.
So R’s, when it comes to beating Boyda, “who you gonna call?”
Just who do you think can beat her?
I already know some of the answers, and they just make us chuckle.
And she is also extremely independent of both the DCC and the DLC. Not only did she beat the Republican Party last time around, she beat the Republican wing of the Democratic Party last, and has still managed to hold onto her populist, conservative Democrat blue-dog credentials, (despite their denying her membership because she refused to hand her campaign over to the DCCC and the DLC.)
It seems more like she just keeps getting better all the time, certainly not losing ground.
This should be good…
How about proving what I posted is incorrect JEP instead of soapboxing your opinion.
If it’s incorrect, I’ll acknowledge the incorrectness.
Chas,
Sorry about the confusion about the “nic stealers posts” on open thread 4.
I only meant the one’s using ‘JEP’ but without his link — and just noticed that there’s still one at 12:58 AM. I thought that there might have been more imposter posts there earlier?
“he evidently thinks the Kansas Senate should be determining U.S. military policy.”
These KS R’s don’t know their history, OR THEIR JOB.
they should be careful complaining about state lawmakers influencing national policy.
It is incumbent on them to do that very thing…
WE ELECTED THEM TO DO JUST WHAT BETTS HAS DONE!
Kansas can even impeach Cheney if they want to, it is in the U.S. CONSTITUION.
And speaking of a Cheney impeachment, I find it curious that concept has yet to appear in this blog since I started posting a couple days ago.
That is about to change.
Drastically.
Later all…
Chas and others…well with the exception of one particular poster; don’t let it get you down. ID theft and those who do it are not suffered gladly here. We are pretty good at spotting the trolls. One DOES wonder though why those on the right do not take the folks to task. They do their vantage point on issues no favors with their bad behavior.
“Boyda voted with other House Democrats to cut BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) funding by almost $3 billion in FY 2007. This money would have been used to “realign” Fort Riley so that it could activating a Brigade Combat Team and accommodate therelocation of units from Germany and Korea to Fort Riley.”
Are you aware how many bases would be closed under this current agreement?
Do you really think THE MILITARY wants this bill? Only the ones with Halliburton connestions…
Its another no-bid book-cooker’s delight, written under the auspices of military budget, but nothing more than another free-ride for the profiteers.
I wonder which Halliburton subsidiary gets all the contracts to support those changes?
And do you suppose there are some very conservative egenerals who know its just another way to diminish our military?
There’s so much more behind a vote like this than the superficial spin they put on it here, it is sad the Republicans choose to mislead their own party.
it is even sadder when all those GOPers swallow it hook, line and sinker.
“Go ahead cosmos, prove it – make my day if you have the guts. You will find those trolls are not me.”
Posted by: the many-named Kansas | August 05, 2007 at 05:04 PM
1) I don’t have (or want) access to the IP addresses. Or the authority to contact the ISP provider(s).
2) You can’t read??? I said that you’re an “obvious suspect for posting using other’s nics”.
I did NOT say that you made those imposter posts.
Prove that you haven’t posted lies.Prove that you didn’t post using J M Walker’s nic.Prove that you haven’t changed your nic multiple times.
That’s your REPUTATION… a liar, a nic stealer, and nic changer. So live with it.
Okay JEP,
You had your chance and couldn’t disprove it. Thanks for responding though.
Well, it just hit me the wrong way when I got up in the middle of the night, only to find out that My Nic, and at least two others were being “scarfed” by the Troll… and not just that, but pulling posts from earlier threads, and copying them in…. Geez, what does it say about that Troll’s mental state, that it stays up till all hours posting a bunch of crap using other peoples’ names!!!
That all you got cosmos?
Man up cosmos! You’re not worth warm spit on a hot sidewalk.
Notice they did not cut the whole program, you missed one of the most important parts of that story, “cut BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) funding by almost $3 billion”, show me where it says they “eliminated funding”.
Seriously, check on just where those cuts were made, and why.
THEY CUT OUT THE PORK AND NO-BID BULLSH$T, which I would think might make most fiscal-conservative Republican very happy.
Don’t EVER assume your republican handlers are telling you the truth. Look a little deeper. Find out how much Ft Riley is actually getting in the deal, and you will really understand, instead of glomming onto the spin machine, without even a moment of healthy skepticism.
When people believe what they are told, without question, that is called brainwashing.
DO SOME RESEARCH, instead of being a toadie…
Cosmos, I copied that whole section of Troll junk from early this morning… It has been sent on to the proper folks… They can either solve it, or not, as they choose… ok???
JEP they are counting on brainwashing… just listen to the talk radio moguls… same monotonous tone, same meter of speech… not by just one, but any of them… rush, hannity, levin, beck, savage, medved… all have the same monotonous sound tone… it effects the minds of some people… just like Goebbels knew in WWII…
“You had your chance and couldn’t disprove it.”
All you prove with that startement is that you did not understand my post…
Do you even care if profiteers get that 3 billion in TAX MONEY!!?
Not as long as they are Republicans, huh?
Sorry, but “You had your chance and couldn’t disprove it.” just doesn’t cut it. You posted an article, I made a comment and you didn’t get it.
There was nothing to be proven or disproved, your use of that terminology only proves you aren’t listening.
I’m not going to engage you, if you refuse to have a serious discussion. Either come back with a real argument, or just go back to posing.
One of these times when I have the time, I’m gonna do a bonedig for some of the kooks greatest hits. New folks should see the day the wheels came off and a few other amusing journeys into the surreal.
That could be most amusing JR
JEP, methinks he has been to the RNC school of cut/snip editing…
My bad JEP, I thought you threw those “Haliburton comments” in there for comedic review.
Or were you really trying to tie in the Fort Riley losing funds and Haliburton.
Perhaps you would like to go to a Junction City Blog and discuss with the people there how they feel about Boyda’s vote?
I’m sorry that happened to ya Chas. The nic stealing I mean.
For now, I’ll give you a reason for hope. This clown isn’t the first nutball to ….grace us with his verbal vomit. Heck we even had a death threat once.
That guy eventually disappeared from the blog. And HE was less batty than this guy! He was confined maybe and got the help he needed. So there is
reason to hope.
I just experimented with “Kansas/ Republican” (boy, I bet they are redfaced in Topeka at that prospect) by trying to engage in a serious dialogue. It was futile, of course.
I won’t jump back into the name calling, I feel sorry for the guy. But it is simply hopeless to open up any sort of meaningful dialogue with people who can’t learn.
To learn something new, sometimes you must admit what you already know is wrong, or just incomplete.
But, admitting any sort of ignorance or having the humility to consider new ideas above old dogma, that would shrink that big “johnson in his mind” down to mortal size.
Which would be devastating for any R.
But it is sad there’s no way to get these mindless lemmings to listen to reason.
And the sheer hypocrisy of what they are doing to Boyda belies their New Republican tax-and-spend habits, especially if one of their neocon royals gets the cash.
Sheer hypocrisy: They just aren’t fiscal conservatives any more, they are addicted to no-bid contracts, and they are bustng our budget because of it.
So sad.
But so prevalant.
“Perhaps you would like to go to a Junction City Blog and discuss with the people there how they feel about Boyda’s vote?”
OK
Back later…
So far, the story isn’t even in the Junction City news…
Boy, they must be awfully upset about it!!!
STRAWMAN!!!
“Man up cosmos! You’re not worth warm spit on a hot sidewalk.”
Posted by: the many-named Kansas | August 05, 2007 at 05:38 PM
Is that personal attack supposed to get me access to the IP addresses?? At least you didn’t say I deserved a punch in the nose.
If YOU are worried about YOUR “blog reputation”, then ask Mr. Brownlee to investigate who is doing the imposter posts — and post the results in a header of a new thread.
Also ask him to delete your posts using J M Walker’s nic… and your lying posts blaming the Sierra Club for the levee failures.
I don’t care who the troll posters are, I recognize that they are not the original poster and scroll over them.
It’s that simple, really it is.
Well “kansas”. that’s because YOU are the main troll.
blaidd_drwg,
And what poster are you when not under your troll disguise? You just showed up one day when the Fisters had left the WE Blog. Talk about being a hypocrite.
Scared to come out blaidd?
Hey, folks, leave him alone so he can gather the mental resources to respond to this comment, in relation to Boyda’s fiscal restraint towards no-bid contracts…
“Sheer hypocrisy: They just aren’t fiscal conservatives any more, they are addicted to no-bid contracts, and they are bustng our budget because of it.”
You give him a place to hide by pushing him into this poersonal name-calling. I want to see if he’s really got an argument left.
And I’m still waiting on my post at the Junction City blog to get even a lukewarm response, seems as if the issue isn’t nearly as devastating as the R’s want their minions to think.
JEP the Junct. Cty. folks are sort of scvengers of the military… They will blow whatever way the wind blows, to make a buck off of military… If the bill loses Pork, thats more $$$ for locals to make off of the military… It’s a strange sort of town…
The cutting of those specific funds as it concerns Fort Riley was to include the modernization of facilities and new facilities built for the Big Red One that has returned from Germany as part of the Base Realignment.
Now, military members will not see their hospitals, their government houses or their work centers get the necessary repairs and Congress Woman Boyda help kill the funding with her vote against it.
JEP, it’s not surprising that people are not talking about it Junction City as Boyda has kept it quiet and Fort Riley is in her district.
You haven’t even researched the Bill have you JEP. Yet you sit there and bloviate responses that have nothing to do with the issue being discussed.
You’d rather puff yourself up rather than discuss the issue.
So be it, be among the misinformed and uninformed JEP.
Kansas, why dont you reach into your magic blogger hat, and pull out something to post that backs up your argument??
Chas,
Why don’t you let JEP voice his own opinion? hmmm?
I gave a very specific topic to discuss on how Boyda voted against funds that would benefit Fort Riley.
Now, tell me how hard is that to understand?
JEP refuses to discuss it because he knows it’s true and has been sidestepping by discussing anything *but* the topic I entered.
That’s fine with me, but it shows JEP is unwilling or incapable of coherent discussion.
Chas;
I guided a lot of hunting parties on Milford in the 80’s, and delivered the local paper to be printed there every week for 5 years.
I know what you mean, it is a “different” sort of place. But the locals, the regulars who stayed, are a very down-to-earth bunch. It is, at least on the street, one of the least presumptuous and self-important cities in Kansas, despite it’s long history and its claim to The Big Red One.
And way back before 9-11, we used to actually go out on the base to hunt pheasant and quail, there was no heavy security or 9-11 effect then.
I always imagined a place like Ft. Riley could be a wonderful location for something like Scott Ritter (http://jep-betweenthelines.blogspot.com/2007/04/best-synopsis-of-split-between-sunnis.html) has been promoting in “Waging Peace”, instead of a military service, we should have civil service for everyone.
But that would depend on changes we can only imagine, a world where the military becomes the emergency response team.
I don’t pretend it could happen soon. But not for the reasons on might imagine.
It has less to do with any REAL world threats than it does with the FEAR of world threats.
There is a big BIG difference.
And there is so much easy profit in war. They are all just too greedy to make the transition to a world of peace.
OK, that was a bit rambling, but somewhere in the midst of it is a common thread…
always a hope for turning swords into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks… the great hope of the ages… it could happen!!
International Law is rejected by the Neocon-US and Zionist-Israel by either picking and choosing in order to favor either Israeli or American interests. Anything that goes against Israeli interests, they flag as anti-Semite and anything against the US, they label an obstacle in the war on terrorism.
The “anti-Semitic thing” or the “not helping War on Terrorism thing” is applied to the law when they want to break it.
“Now, military members will not see their hospitals, their government houses or their work centers get the necessary repairs and Congress Woman Boyda help kill the funding with her vote against it.”
When was the last time you were in Junction City?
It is one of the most thriving, growing and vital cities in the whole country, and they are riding a military investment wave that simply dwarfs the fraction of the 3 billion cut from that bill that was removed.
You make Ft. Riley sound like a Republican-run Vet’s Hospital, and I can guarantee you, it is much noicer than that, right now, and will probably continue to get better.
And there are some serious military people who had a big hand in Boyda’s election, I have a video of her speech the day Bush came to stump for Ryun, and the retired brass is out in force behind her.
Do you think the military shares your respect for Bush? His nickmname in some “quarters” (remember them) is Mr. Fubar.
I know you know what that means.
Talk about speaking without knowledge, you read the Republican spin on the bill, on the Republican website, then suggest I don’t know anything about it.
Again, you are turning spin into more spin.
Junction City and Ft Riley are thriving, and their “hospitals and government houses and work centers” are some of the best RIGHT NOW in the US military. There has never been an influx of people and services in the history of Kansas like what has happened there over the past few years.
Did you even try to dissect that bill into it’s component parts, to at least see if I was right?
Do you have ANY idea of what they pulled from the bill, what they REALLY pulled, and not what spin you read?
…or did you just take the talking points you were provided?
DO SOME RESEARCH beyond the Republican Party website. You might be surprised at the truth.
And we will all be surprised if you ever admit it.
I’m done. It is hopeless.
But thanks for the forum, your talking points gave us an opportunity to actually get the truth out, in response to your imiginary expertise and your apparent penchant for cooked books.
Ed;
Doesn’t Isreal have a big peace movement, but their own neocons (the Net’n Yahoos) are so powerful they rarely get to exert the influence of peace.
Is that an accurate assessment?
Well, this is certainly an interesting forum. What’s with the “trolls” and nic stealers?
Chas,
You should read Hobbes, maybe you would understand the true nature of man, if you did.
Sorry, trollster… I read Hobbes YEARS ago!! Didnt much like him then either…
President Fubar?
Sometimes I even make myself chuckle.
OK, smarty, who was Metternich?
And how would you compare him to Rove?
“read Hobbes…” the most meaningless diversion of the day
And what of Locke? Doderot? Voltaire? Jefferson…
Damn libruls!
Tell me, is it customary to accuse all new posters of “trolling”? That is not very hospitable, I must say.
so, stop trolling then LOL
Forgot Rousseau and spelled Diderot wrong…
I’m out of here at 7:31…. back later…
Note the date of source posted at,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-85.html#comment-78480172
Friday, February 02, 2007′Boyda Votes to Cut Funding from Fort Riley’http://www.ksgop.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=3510
Also,’Kansas Military Bases Win Major Funds in 2008 Budget’03/30/07http://boyda.house.gov/?sectionid=21&parentid=3§iontree=3,21&itemid=77
“Congresswoman Nancy Boyda (Kansas Second District) announced that two Kansas military bases, Fort Riley and Fort Leavenworth, stand to gain $146 million in new military construction (MILCON) funding under the 2008 federal budget resolution passed by the House of Representatives yesterday….FORT RILEY:
Unit Operations Facilities ($43M)
Barracks ($50M)
Child Development Center ($8.5M)
Health and Dental Clinic ($8.8M)”
Shrub is no Habsburg Emperor, but it wouldn’t shock me if Rove might one day have to don women’s clothing to escape DC much as Metternich had to do to escape Vienna. :)
Chas,
You sir, are being very rude.
“the great hope of the ages”
The Peace Dividend!
…remember when the budget was balanced?
During war, the wealth migrates into fewer and fewer and bigger and bigger pockets, and it stifles the economy outside the military realm.
During Peace, the wealth spreads out to the middle class, and they actually go spend it on “goods” not “guns”.
And the rivdh get richer, right along with everyone else.
But that’s not how they want it. That “along with everyone else” part just bugs em’.
OK, Gul, you got a real chuckle out of me there…
I can actually see Tblossom in drag, doing the frog-march from the WH.
I’ll carry that one with me for a while… Rudy’s gonna be SOOOO jealous!
and Cosmos, you da man!
..the Metternich/Rove match-up reference had more to do with promoting the conservative agenda, in its ideological purity, at all costs, and with great contempt for the common man and woman.
The anti-progressive, pernicious conservative agenda we see ruling our government today, essentially started with Metternich.
Maybe it ends with Rove.
Hope springs eternal…
..the Metternich/Rove match-up reference had more to do with promoting the conservative agenda, in its ideological purity, at all costs, and with great contempt for the common man and woman.
The anti-progressive, pernicious conservative agenda we see ruling our government today, essentially started with Metternich.
Maybe it ends with Rove.
Hope springs eternal…
Things are looking better and better for us Democrats in 2008 and when we win, America wins. Well except for the filthy rich and the criminals that is. I was looking at the numbers from the last election- which was ran terribly by the party and John Kerry- and when you look at those and look at the numbers out of the 2006 mid terms, we should be able to pick up at least 5 states (Colorado, Florida, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon and Wisconsin) and as many as possibly 12 with longer shot states (Lousiana, Nevada, New Hampsire, Ohio, Tennessee, Virgina, West Va). Election night is indeed looking good for us IF IF IF we have a competent candidate and competent managers, media and numbers people running things this time. Hopefully we have learned from the Kerry disaster how important these things are. We cannot let “swift boat” attacks go unchallenged. If they hit, we hit back! If they don’t hit, we hit back anyway! We also cannot put all our eggs into a single state as Gore did (Florida) and Kerry did (Ohio). Yes there are states we can and should write off such as- yes Kansas- as well as the south and places like Montana and the Dakotas. Don’t waste money or time there. So then I have to ask myself who is most capable of meeting these challenges of not gaffing and running a competent organization and, while I love Barrack Obama as a person and his positions, his inexperience is showing. His gaffes in the debates top the news everytime he makes them. Hillary on the other hand seems to be well prepared for each debate, does not make gaffes and seems to be putting together a top notch orgaization of PROFESSIONALS and not “friends” like Gore and Kerry did. While I am not a big fan of Hillary, I am starting to come around to the fact that she may be our best shot to win in 2008 and that is the goal. Another thing I like about her is that she is not making threats to people that are supporting her opponets in the primary. Smart move because she is going to need them and their money in the general. And we sure don’t want a split that invites Nader back in the race. The idiot already cost us one election. If we fail to win, crap else counts. So I may switch up and support her. I just may…
“Ed;
Doesn’t Israel have a big peace movement, but their own neocons (the Net’n Yahoos) are so powerful they rarely get to exert the influence of peace.
“Is that an accurate assessment?”
No, as a large segment of the so-called “peace movement” is showing more colors of being little more the “window-dressing propaganda” for the world press. When pushed to make necessary concessions, they begin to balk and move in with the far right, leaving just a few who still stand for peace. Power corrupts.
It’s a shame, but dishoesty seems to rule.
Did find it interesting that Farmgirl and Chas now both call themselves Socialists.
And why not?
If you truly beleive in Socialism, why not call yourself a Socialist?
Heck, the Dem party should change their name to Democratic Socialists. Or Liberal Democratic Socialisit Party.
Similarly named parties exist elsewhere in the more socialist European world.
I got it!
Liberal American Democratic Socialist party -
LADS
Perrrrfeccctttt!!!!!
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/feb/02/fort_riley_leader_takes_cut_stride/
“Maj. Gen. Carter Ham also is overseeing the return of the 1st Infantry Division to Kansas. And if that’s not enough, he just learned that Congress may not commit to earmarking money the post needs to finish $1 billion worth of construction to deal with the influx of soldiers.
The House voted earlier this week to strip more than $350 million in Fort Riley construction spending out of appropriations bills. The money was earmarked last year by Congress but removed at the behest of the new Democratic majority.”—————
Blog talk on the issue:http://forums.morningsun.net/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=19;t=000103—————
More Blog Talk:http://www.madisonproject.com/drewblog/?m=200702
Boyda Breaks Campaign Promise!
“I promise. I will make this kind of post rare, but I couldn’t help exploring the plight at Nancy Boyda, the Democrat who beat my dad in November. Surprisingly, Nancy has had to make some tough decisions in the first two months of the 110th. She’s even had to cast a few tough votes. One that is causing her problems is one she promised never to make and that was to cut BRAC funding for military bases (basically, BRAC is funding for military housing). All during the campaign, she promised she’d never cut BRAC, that she would make sure it was fully funded (remember the Leavenworth debate, Nancy?). Make no mistake, those were important promises for a district that has two major military installations.Then came her first vote on a spending bill a few weeks ago. She voted to cut BRAC spending and now she’s hearing about it back in the district, from both the media and Republican officials. Instead of casting a vote and sticking to her guns. Boyda is whining. Three days ago, a front page story ran in the Manhattan Mercury.“”She (Boyda) made it plain she believed Tiahrt, Roberts and other critics were interfering in her ability to function effectively in Washington. ‘I have said very loudly and clearly that we need funding for Fort Riley, Fort Leavenworth and Forbes Air Base,’ she said. “Do you mind if I get my job done without having rotten tomatoes thrown at me?”Those “rotten tomatoes” are simply your campaign promises, Nancy. Sorry they’re coming back to haunt you.:
—————
kc buzz bloghttp://kcbuzzblog.typepad.com/kcbuzzblog/2007/02/roberts_and_seb.html
Roberts and Sebelius (supporting) to the rescue from Boyda’s disaster:
“Roberts and several other senators hope to amend a measure funding government operations to restore $3.1 billion in BRAC projects. They include construction of a new barracks at Fort Riley to replace ones that are half a century old, and new runway.
“These are not add-ons,” Roberts said. “These are Department of Defense expected funds. There will be no earmarks.”
1)Boyda breaks campaign promise not to cut BRAC spending for Kansas Military Bases2)Boyda toes the D.C. Democratic Party line despite the pleadings of Governor Sebelius and other Kansas Congressman not to cut BRAC funding.3)Boyda needs to go next election as she has sold out to the D.C. Democratic Party and forgotten about Kansas.
Good acronym Max. :)L.A.D.S.
DALS?
American Society of Socialistic Democrats
ASS-D :)
FederalAssociationofStrongCapitalistsandSuperTechnocrats
FASCIST
February 10, 2007
‘Boyda criticized for vote on military funding’http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/feb/10/boyda_criticized_vote_military_funding/?politics
“But Boyda said the two Republicans were way off base.
“Their bizarre distortions are dishonest and transparently partisan, and they illustrate exactly why Kansas voters called for change last November,” she said.
The dispute is over a U.S. House vote last week for a budget-continuing resolution.
The resolution fell short of previously agreed-upon defense spending for Kansas military bases, including Fort Leavenworth and Fort Riley.
But Boyda said the resolution was necessary because the outgoing Republican-controlled Congress failed to pass a defense budget, leaving the bases with the prospect of zero funding by Feb. 15.
To avoid problems, the budget resolution was needed, and represented an increase in military spending, she said.
Boyda and U.S. Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., who is chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, vowed that the full funding for the Kansas bases will be in the final budget.”
Yeah cosmos, after Sebelius, Roberts, Tiarht, Moran and Brownback beat her over the head and shoulders for voting for the cuts. She was destined for political doom in Kansas because of what she did and may still be if she continues on her anti-Kansas path.
Multi-named Kansas(sic),
You’ve got ZERO credibility, so I have no reason to believe what you post.
…SIGH!!!!!!!
Boyda had no trouble at all voting for 100,000 in earmarks for Lansing to get a prison mueseum. PORK! Can anyone sayOINK!! OINK!! OINK!!
This is what liberal democrats used to be known for. Republicans did it even worse.
Now the democrats are in control and they SQUEAL LIKE PIGS JUST LIKE REPUBLICANS.
To the tune of 11 billion dollars in PORK.
Can you imagine? What if every town of less than 10,000 people in AMERICAN gets a musuem?
Sure, we are RICH, Sock it to the RICH, they will pay for funding all these worthless mueseums.
Waste is waste. Doesn’t matter which party is being the big.
BOYDA HAS TO GO!!
Same as republicans who waste money.
Kick her butt OUT!!!!
SPEND SPEND SPENDTAX TAX TAX
Welcome democrats. Liberals, you are your own worst enemy.
Hey Max!
What was that PRICK quote you had out there?
Dear Hillary,
Don’t just stop with free socialized medicine. Yes, Lyndon Baines Johnson gave us free food.
But what we really need is free gasoline.
It is a basic need. A god given right for gasoline.
We should have subsidized gasoline, and I don’t mean ethanol big businesses who get a break.
I mean CONSUMMMMMMMMMMMMMers!
WE WANT FREE GAS! WE WANT FREE GAS!
WE need it for our children. For their health.
WE NEED STATE RUN GAS STATIONS!!!!
Free gas for all.
From each according to their ability to pay, to each according to their greed. Karli Marxy.
United Socialist States of America
Hillary,
I know under your husband, the blow job getter of the White House (I guess you weren’t very good at it eh?),
You demanded GUN CONTROL.
Well Hillary, as I sit her cleaning my Glock, and AR-15, I want to know:
Do you intend to make fully automatic weapons illegal?
Are you going to come to my house to take my guns away?
As you promote free healthcare based upon what England and Australia did, are you also going to go INTO PEOPLES HOMES and confiscate and melt weapons?
Just like those countries?
Let me know now, I gotta stock up.
My name is Elmer J. Fudd, I own a mansion and a yacht.
I have many sons who are rich lawyers. I myself ran political campaigns so I am fully qualified to speak on nearly any subject upon this earth.
In less than one day, I became best friends with the other unemployed and 24 hour posters on this blog.
I am liberal, I am a Christian, but support killing babies and lesbo’s marrying lesbo’s and homo’s blah blah blah.
I am a fair voice in the wilderness for upholding Christian values. We will modify those values for whatever political group rises next, but we an find a quote in the bible to support our changed views.
The second amendment doesn’t say which arms you may bear. If owning arms was to protect us from our own government, we’re gonna lose…unless you want me and your neighbor having a nuke, biological weapons, chemical weapons…you can’t even buy fertilizer anymore without being watched by the govt (and I support that). So if we can limit SOME arms, why is it against your whatever to limit automatic guns?
Nothing to report on this blog tonight. Nothing of significance from the small time liberals posting herein. No threat to any party, except maybe their own.
Tomorrow forcast: More of the same. Watch the hours posted during a normal workday by liberal non-working, taxpayer supported welfare recipients drinking from the government tit.No pride in getting and holding a job. Government makes it easy not to.
Laugh. But watch the hours/times of posting.
They are not working American Taxpayers.
Trolls assigned herein, move to more effective blogs until further notice. Republicans have to be supported and have their voices of common sense heard.
Already own the airwaves and AM radio. Freedom still reigns.
Troll Control out.
Boyda is not at all liberal. Matter of fact, she’s so NOT liberal I don’t even like her anymore.
Kansas I have the perfect bumper sticker for your post.
It says “Go obey your husband you stupid Republican bitch”.
Ok for that post, I’d change the wording to “your daddy”.
I don’t put the sticker on my car, and I don’t because there are many republican women out there who are just fine…but for this one time…it’s oh so fitting.
(and I support that). So if we can limit SOME arms, why is it against your whatever to limit automatic guns?
Posted by: political_mom | August 05, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Because if you can twist one constitutional amendment, you can twist them all.
And because if you want to live, you will not send your communist, socialist army to my home to attempt to disarm me.
It is my god given right to own any weapon I want. Auto, semi-auto, single shot, black powder, you name it:
IT IS PROTECTED UNDER WHAT USED TO BE CONSIDERED THE US CONSTITUTION.
You know, the one you say Bushy has violated?
I warn you. This is not Great Britian, Northern Ireland, or Australia. If you pass a law, and come to MY house, it will be war.
Maybe a war of one, but I don’t think so. Just ask your question at any American gun show.
They had automatic weapons when they wrote the amendment? Um, don’t think so.The amendment doesn’t say you can own guns, it doesn’t even say weapons. It says ARMS. You’re evading the question to suit your own beliefs.
And you’re wrong. And YOU are scary….which is exactly why we should come take your guns.
The second amendment doesn’t say which arms you may bear.Posted by: political_mom | August 05, 2007 at 11:02 PM
That is correct. And it most certainly does not say which ones I canNOT.
They had automatic weapons when they wrote the amendment? Um, don’t think so.
I don’t think they had a lot of things when they wrote that old document called the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Should we just go ahead and update that old dusty document to suit you?
Are you related to Bush?
Thank you for proving my point.
I wouldn’t worry too greatly about someone like pmom coming to take your weapons.
She’s irrelevant.
And YOU are scary….which is exactly why we should come take your guns.Posted by: political_mom | August 05, 2007 at 11:09 PM
I hope and pray I am scary. Because there are a tens of MILLIONS of us out here that you better think about BEFORE you even ATTEMPT to go down this road.
It is scary to me – that you would propose to take my guns away which are just as protected as my freedom of speech, life liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
It would do my heart good for you to get the liberal candidates to speak on this BEFORE the election.I DARE you to. I DARE them to speak on gun control. I DARE them to be honest.
American deserves to know.
BTW, the sale of automatic weapons is skyrocketing. You can confirm this at any gun store. Ask them WHY EVERYONE IS HURRYING TO BUY THESE GUNS?
Point of clarification which probably doesn’t need to be said, but I think it is important to say.
I am not threatening anyone on any blog. My opinion is related to gun control and the cause and effect if there is legislation thereonto pertaining.
I have never made any attempt to know who any of you are personnally, and really could care less – even when we vehemently.
And in this particular case, I love mom’s in general, and particularly any mom with a star in her window for having son’s who served this great nation.
End of clarification.
vehemently disagree.
The person who is irrelevant is the one saying he’s gonna play shoot em up and posturing with all the different names. I don’t take anyone seriously who can’t stick with an id.
Freedom of speech is specifically written. Owning an automatic weapon isn’t. Why is the ownership skyrocketting? Because people are flipping stupid?
“life liberty, and pursuit of happiness.”
Those are not guaranteed rights of the Constitution… Those are words from the Declaration of Independence, which is not a LAW of the land… Please keep history straight…
I am now out of here, Sunday nite at 11:36 p.m.
She’s irrelevant.
Posted by: KSGolfnut | August 05, 2007 at 11:18 PM
Yes she is, but it the tape recording that she represents. There are democrats out there who quietly want gun control. There are also many, many liberals who do NOT want gun control. This crosses party lines.
But it is better to squash any of this before it becomes an issue.
If the “secret” tape recording has any mention of gun control, I want to ensure they know what they will be up against.
Pass the word. Americans will fight before you take away our guns. At least this one will.
Posted by: Chas. | August 05, 2007 at 11:35 PM
O.K., mental giant. I am sure most people realize that these are words from our Declaration of Independence. Words that also still apply today and are cited throughout legislation, and judicial rulings at all levels within the framework of our constitution.
I happen to have both on the bulkhead in my computer room. I like to reflect upon them, before I TALK about violating other citizens rights.
The same independence I declare on my gun ownership.
Nathan,
Why have you stopped posting under your name, and taken on all the characteristics of a troll?
Liberals “taking their guns away . . . ”
Unbelievable.
I’m a liberal and I’ve got plenty of guns. No one has ever taken anyone’s guns away–unless it was Rudy Giuliani in New York.
Clinton did get an assault weapons ban for awhile. Totally worthless.
These gun-nuts are scary irrational: I repeat there’re a helluva lot of left-wing gun owners like me.
We’re not going to take your penis . . . uh, I mean . . . your gun away from you.
So quit playing soldier of fortune and man up.
Tom,
Why are you so concerned with who is who in the zoo? Can’t you post an opinion without trying to put everyone into some little box?
Are you capable of doing that?
Looking for trolls are you?
Well, I’m a troll. Bite me.
But I promise you this. I am notNathan.
So buzz off. Go research something to post other than watching peoples butts.
From my dead fingers,
Do you kiss Jesus with that mouth?
When I was about eight, my buddies and I had big plans about how we were going to “fight the Commies” when Russia attacked America.
We had redoubts and model rockets hidden in the woods to fight partisan warfare. Let the Ruskies come, we were ready.
That’s what these gun-nuts remind me of–eight year old boys trying to prove how tough they are by imagining what they’d do for an event that will never happen.
Grow up.
So quit playing soldier of fortune and man up.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 05, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Man up?
You’re hard. You are so hard I could roller-skate on you.
Of course, that is only on the blog. Seem to be stuck on talking about dicks all the time too.
Time for me to go to bed. The children of the blog have arrived for their all night love fest.Teenagers and unemployed bus drivers I suspect.
Sad they have to get their ego stroked on a make-believe electron board.
event that will never happen.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 05, 2007 at 11:49 PM
I guess you are right up there next to God with statements like that.
I’m renaming you: CAPTAIN KRUNCH,the kid cereal.
I only bring it up because I’ve long suspected that gun-nuts have conflated manliness with gunliness.
They talk about protecting their gun as if they were protecting their manhood.
You watched too many movies. Manliness means being secure and good and decent.
It has nothing to do with how many people you can shoot down or how BIG your gun is . . .
I’ve long suspected that gun-nuts have conflated manliness with gunliness. CapnKrunch
You really are crazy. I’ll post that one on the NRA blogs and point them this way. Nevermind, not worth the effort.
You are trying to pick a fight, and not concerned with the subject matter of the post from momma which started this thread.You have no real rational thought on the thread. Just playing for your electronic friends. Oh-hum.
I don’t have time for you.
Like the guy said,
You are a toad.Hop-a-long
Even Jason Bourne has that figured out . . .
You watched too many movies.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 05, 2007 at 11:55 PM
Even Jason Bourne has that figured out . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 05, 2007 at 11:59 PM
What an idiot.
Capn,
Someone is too thick, too dense, too much like a box of rocks to understand when they’re being mocked.
I hate that.
How are all your NRA buddies going to come over and ream me a new one when they’re all hard at work at their 12 hour a day jobs punching cattle or hammering concrete?
Just wondered.
Yup, Tom–
Just toying with him like small fish that won’t fight.
He’s no keeper . . .
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution deals with two issues and are separated by an “and.”
The importance of the first part deals with the People being able to form a militia, if they deem necessary, and that should be self evident.
The Second issue reaffirms the right of the People to keep and bear arms in order to give the People the power of force against their government, when and if that government turns from serving the People, to trying to dominate them.
Government has been given the power to have an Army, but was also forbidden to use that Army internally.
If that government decides to use its Army as an occupying or ruling force, the People need the weapons to fight back.
The Constitution is all about knowing that governments are inherently untrustworthy and the People need the means by which to retake their government if or when that becomes necessary.
That is what all the fuss about gun-control is really all about.
Not all Americans are really Americans. Some do not understand the true nature of governments, while some are actually subversive.
George W. Bush and his Neocon/Zionists have demonstrated the need for a strong Second Amendment by trying to subvert the Constitution and turn this country into a dictatorship.
That serves as a good lesson. The time draws near to give “him and his” a good lesson about the laws of treason.
I basically agree with what you wrote, Ed.
But there’s a problem here–most of the gun-nuts also LOVE BUSH. The NRA set up shop in the Oval Office.
That’s the trouble. When fascists like Bush control gov’t, “law and order” gun-nuts don’t have the sense to oppose them, but see themselves as the ’storm troopers’ to help bring about the very police state gun ownership is supposed to prevent.
Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo’s campaign stood by his assertion that bombing holy Muslim sites would serve as a good “deterrent” to prevent Islamic fundamentalists from attacking the United States, his spokeswoman said Friday.
“This shows that we mean business,” said Bay Buchanan, a senior Tancredo adviser. “There’s no more effective deterrent than that. But he is open-minded and willing to embrace other options. This is just a means to deter them from attacking us.”
(snip)
“If it is up to me, we are going to explain that an attack on this homeland of that nature would be followed by an attack on the holy sites in Mecca and Medina,” Tancredo said. “That is the only thing I can think of that might deter somebody from doing what they would otherwise do. If I am wrong, fine, tell me, and I would be happy to do something else. But you had better find a deterrent, or you will find an attack.”
“BTW, the sale of automatic weapons is skyrocketing. You can confirm this at any gun store. Ask them WHY EVERYONE IS HURRYING TO BUY THESE GUNS?”
Pretty simple, friend.
Because they just ended the ban against them, and the gun dealers make a lot of money for weapon traders. And they are cheap.
When I ran my guide service, I got to know guides from many other states.
When someone shows up at their lodge or camp with an AK47 for a hunt, they just shake their heads and wonder what is wrong with the person.
If your life is so dangeroous on a daily basis that yu feel the need to carry deadly force, maybe you should consider changing your lifestyle.
Remember what Matt Dillon (the sheriff) did when someone wore a gun into town?
He made them hang it up at the sheriff’s office.
I have no problem with someone owning a gun, or even being a collector. I accept your right to keep and bear arms, as long as your neighbors and family don’t think otherwise.
But when you start to put an arsenal together, and gather your ammo to store it away for that awful day when you fear “they are comin’ to git ya”, you need some serious help.
That is how Columbine happened, and more than anything, I hope you aren’t teaching your own children the same blind fear that sends you into a psychological fetal position whenever you see something you don’t understand…
Here’s a good idea.
If everyone needed at least three legitimate references to get a gun in the first place, like they do to get a job, or to get credit to buy a car, it might keep something like Virginia Tech from happening.
And just stop and think about it, if you can’t find three legitimate citizens without violent criminal records who will vouch for your sensibility, why on earth would any of us strangers EVER want you to own a gun!
Tancredo’s suggestion is pure nuts.
Such an attack would result in a full fledge world-wide assault on every American asset.
Very dumb and dangerous idea.
Tourism overseas by Americans would be put to an end.
“I love mom’s in general, and particularly any mom with a star in her window for having son’s who served this great nation.”
My friend Cindy Sheehan fits that description, probably more than anyone you know, I suppose she doesn’t qualify in your book?
Hypocrite.
“Tancredo’s suggestion is pure nuts.”
Just the idea that he lumps all Muslims into one category, as if threatening to bomb Mecca will somehow keep some new Bin Laden from doing us damage is nuts, no doubt.
Imagine the English bombing a Protestant Church in Ireland to get back at the Irish Catholics.
That is about how culturally astute Tancredo’s “bomb their holy sites” bravado is.
It is interesting that the right to keep and bear arms was primarily meant as protection against the minions of King George…
My ancestors who fought in the Revolution didn’t fear their neighbors, the feared their government.
Which is why, when the 2nd Amendment was written, so free people could protect themsleves from oppression, not each other.
Now it has been perverted into this strange version, where people keep guns because they are afraid of their neighbors. And the right to keep those arms is defended primarily by gun manufacturers, not for patriotism but for profit.
Communists make-up the far left in politics and their term “gun-nuts” is their “battle flag, not any group of people who actually exist.
A gun owner is a Communist’s greatest fear.
True that Fascists occupy the far-right in politics, but, again, not in great enough numbers to matter.
Guns in New York City threaten Giuliani drug-addicts customers, that’s why Mr, Getz got the axe.
“All” is not always as it seems”
“The Defense Department cannot account for 190,000 weapons, including more than 110,000 AK-47 rifles, issued to Iraqi security forces, a new report by government investigators says.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/world/middleeast/06iraq-002.html
Hmmm, no wonder they ar so cheap and plentiful…
110,000? Gosh, that sounds like enough for AN ARMY!
BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME, NOW!!!
Jep
You’re talking as though “home invasions” and “car-jacking” don’t happen, when they are a daily occurrence in the Dallas Ft Worth area.
“gun-nuts” is their “battle flag, not any group of people who actually exist.
Did you read my post saying I once ran a guide service for hunters?
If you think there is not a class of “gun nuts” floating around out there in redneckland and down in the hood, you are seriously naive…
Commies? Sheesh, now we got the cold-war all over again…
“You’re talking as though “home invasions” and “car-jacking” don’t happen, when they are a daily occurrence in the Dallas Ft Worth area.”
Then MOVE somewhere you feel safe.
Would you really choose to raise a family in a place where they faced that kind of danger on a daily basis?
What could possibly be worth it, “the dity life” or “a great job?”
People who willingly place themselves and their loved-ones in the middle of the highest odds for gun violence are a big part of the problem.
You need to see the movie “crash.”
I realize violence can happen anywhere, but you yourself just identified that you KNOW it is dangerous.
Change your lifestyle, if it is so dangerous you need to carry a gun everywhere.
Jep
“Now it has been perverted into this strange version, where people keep guns because they are afraid of their neighbors.”
We’re not concerned about our neighbors, just roving pairs of robbers. Each pair is making a dozen hits a day.
“You’re talking as though “home invasions” and “car-jacking” don’t happen, when they are a daily occurrence in the Dallas Ft Worth area.”
And where on Earth did I say that?
Just shows you come from a place of instant paranoia, if you perceived my post that way.
Jep
You need to look a the nationwide crimes stats, as if everybody goes where it’s safe, it won’t be safe “there” any longer.
BTW, the sale of automatic weapons is skyrocketing. You can confirm this at any gun store. Ask them WHY EVERYONE IS HURRYING TO BUY THESE GUNS?
Posted by: NRA all the way | August 05, 2007 at 11:23 PM
You are full of bs. You have to have a special liscence or permit for automatic weapons. Everyone is not applying for a class 5 liscence. Every gun shop doesn;t sell automatic weapons. BS
People,
The constitution does not prohibit law abiding Americans from owning any type of weapon. Therefore, I should be able to own a flamethrower, if I so desire.
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