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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Cabbies threaten strike over GPS systemsor…
Cabbies can no longer take the long route from the Airports anymore trying to fool customers in paying more money. :)
“NEW YORK (AP) — A group representing thousands of taxi drivers said last week it will idle cabs in September if the city goes ahead with a plan to require installation of GPS tracking systems.
Starting October 1, as the city’s 13,000 taxis come up for inspections they must have the GPS equipment along with touch-screen monitors that will let passengers pay by credit card, check on news stories and look up restaurant and entertainment information.art.taxi.jpg
The Taxi Workers Alliance said the GPS devices invade drivers’ privacy.
If the Taxi & Limousine Commission abandons the GPS part of the plan, “then there’s room to sit down and talk,” said Bhairavi Desai, executive director of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, which counts more than 8,400 members.
But if the plan moves forward, she said, the group will specify the date, duration and other details of the potential work stoppage next month.
The Taxi Workers Alliance — an advocacy group rather than a labor union — said GPS devices would be an invasion of drivers’ privacy because they could track cabs’ movements.Don’t Miss
Taxi officials say the two systems could boost ridership and drivers’ incomes by eliminating the need for cash, while giving drivers useful traffic tips and giving passengers a better chance of finding lost items.advertisement
A spokesman for the taxi commission did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
The alliance organized a one-day strike in 1998 to protest plans to raise taxi owners’ liability insurance requirements and other changes.”
Cut-off the funding today.
{ to help get gas back to a buck }
What’s the big deal about “ruling the world?” Is that the only way to get people to put-up with your shit?
yes it is ed.
years ago the religious right wanted a way to raise money. they decided they needed a cause to mobilize those stay at home christian voters.
operation rescue and the abortion issue was started to get their flock giving money and marching and voting.
the problem with “liberals” is they have a life and want to live their life. they don’t have time to stick their noses into other peoples lives.
christians got to church and are told how bad those other people are and if they work at it hard enough they can force their will on those godless “liberals”.
these christians don’t have a problem telling lies about how awful those people are. does this change things? not often, but it does cause a division among people who otherwise would get along just fine.
so, you are correct. the right wants to rule the world. and, that is the only to get people to put up with their crap.
Oh, everything is better! The President is going to see the bridge! Wow! All of Minneapolis eagerly await the visit! He will make it all better for them I am sure! NOT
I don’t recall the President going to Kansas City after the skywalks fell. And well over 100 people died when that happened. Times change.
Life
“shit” has so much more impact than just “crap” and so much better describes the Rove/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Neocon/Rice/Zionist/Bush mindset because “crap” infers some substantive hint of value whereas none exists when using “shit”.
“Shit” beat “crap” by the length of a “christian/judaeo churchee-turd” don’tchathink?
Hey, ole’ “Rubber-stamp” Roberts is concerned by the new Republican loyality oath. He even made a public comment. Wow!
Roberts even gives “Shit” a bad name, so can’t he be recalled from congress? Or does the “recall thingee” no longer exist?
The American People no longer want their congressional members, so can’t we recall everyone who voted to fund the murdering campaign?
The Stock Market is going up but gold {which says how much the dollar is really worth } is following that price-up right along side of it.
700 a troy ounce and moving up.
Does anybody know if they can be recalled?
Anybody Home?
Do you ever wonder WHO/WHAT is really behind Bush’s great love for the illegal immigration situation??? You know, how he wants to welcome these people, and get them working, and all that??
Check this out >>>
EMPLOYER PROFITS
The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than $2.36 trillion
That says a whole lot about why President Weed wants to “help” the illegals to be legal???
Its the BIG CORPORATION government speaking loud and clear!! And we just think they arent Facists!!
Bush Conspiracy Theory – Number 1,323,146 presented to you this morning by Chas.
Conspiracy Theory? I thought he was just pointing out how well Bush was doing.
Not sure of the source, but maybe someone can verify it:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program,3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,4.) That the money the participants put into the independent “Trust Fund” rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income__________________
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to “put away” — you may be interested in the following:
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities????
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the “tie-breaking” deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
This is MY FAVORITE:
A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter! And the Democratic Party of course!
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violating of the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not!.. many Democrats are awfully sure of what isn’t so!!
But it’s worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to? Actions speak louder than bumper stickers. Forward this E-mail to others so that they can be informed of the truth.
“THE ONLY THING NEEDED FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING”
EDMUND BURKE
- illegal immigration situation -
Well Huddle, ask yourself these questions.
How long has the illegal immigration situation been around?
What has been done and why haven’t any of the past “solutions” worked?
Sorry I missed the question on the first item:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent “Trust Fund” and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
The immigration problem has been around much longer than Bush. I fail to understand why it is his fault.
It’s his fault that nothing effective is being done about it. With all the corporations taking their manufacturing jobs to other countries for the cheap labor, Americans need jobs. BTW, If the Bush administration can’t keep out the illegals, how are they supposed to keep out those who would do harm to us with terrorist’s acts?The fact that we have so many illegals in our country is just a testament to how ineffective this administration is, He’s had more than 6 yrs to work on the problem, and there hasn’t been any real improvement…building a bigger wall isn’t going to cut it. We need to start holding Mexico accountable for their people’s poverty and hoplessness.
If corporations and businesses employing illegals in 2005 could manage to gain $2.36 Trillion in profits… it might not be to their advantage to get RID of those said illegals??? And right now, not before this, right now, BUSH is the one who is wanting to somehow maintain these illegals employed by those corporations and businesses who profit $2.36 Trillion from hiring said illegals???
Sure illegals have been a problem before… Reagan could have possibly settled it… but HE caved into the businesses and corporations profiting from the illegals just like Bush…
Why does our government use our tax dollars to promote and help companies outsource jobs? That seems detrimental to me.
One way the average American can voice their concerns about corporate greed is to stop buying the crap from China. With all the latest safety scares coming out of China, now would be a great time to let the corporate greed hogs know that Americans do not need, nor want the China crap.
“Made in America” needs to become our motto again.
Can you define greed for me?
Ed, we have been off the gold standard for decades. Wake up
517.483-1545
“Made in America” needs to mean more than assembled in America.
“Made in America” needs to mean a superior product again. Not some half assed “this is as good as the union told me I had to make it” crap that we have been getting.
Make “Made in America” mean something again and I bet we start buying American again.
The Rapture Cult- Path of Death
Originally from: We Hold These TruthsBy Carol WolmanPsalm 16:11 You have made known to me the path of life.
Tens of millions of Americans have read “The Late Great Planet Earth” by Hal Lindsay, and tens of millions more are avid fans of the “Left Behind” series by LaHaye and Jenkins. These science fiction books claim to give a true interpretation of Bible prophecy. They preach the rapture cult, a heretical view (so labeled by the Presbyterian Church) which says that believers will be “called out” and “meet Jesus in the clouds” while the rest of us are to be “left behind” to suffer and perish in the tribulation.
This is the path of death. The rapture cultists have psychically abandoned planet earth and all responsibility for its fate. They support George Bush and his rapid destruction of the biosphere, thinking that this will hasten their being “called away” by the returning Christ. They suspend conscience and discernment, believing the false prophets who tell them that Bush was chosen by God to lead America and that his lying murderous ways should be overlooked.
George Bush serves the corporate beast, and all his policies are designed to enrich those who profit from its plunder. Bush acts as CEO for the beast, whose greed is destroying the biosphere. The corporate beast has stolen “personhood” in America from human beings through a legal fiction, which entitles corporations to the rights of persons, without any of the responsibility and accountability of human beings. In fact, the only goal to which corporations are legally bound is to make profits for their stockholders.
The rapture cultists become “little Eichmans”, working for the beast, buying its products, upholding its reign, and its exploitation and slaughter of indigenous peoples the world over. They worship success, not God, and are lulled by the false prophets into believing that they will go to heaven if only they hate homosexuals, pro-abortion people, and Muslims. They are encouraged to extend this hatred to “liberals”, “progressives”, “tree-huggers”, and indeed, to all of us who are fighting to preserve life on planet earth.
The false prophets of the rapture cult, people like Pat Robertson, are predicted in Revelation, and serve the corporate beast:
Revelation 19:20 ..the false prophet. performed the miraculous signs on (the beast’s) behalf. With these signs he deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.
We who yearn for sanity, for peace, for cooperation among nations, for ecological common sense, for justice, for God’s kingdom on earth,- we are denied our interpretation of the Bible, or we are turned off to the Bible altogether, by the pious rulers who insist that only the false prophets know God’s intentions. They are like the false Jews in the days of Jesus, to whom He said: Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. ”
The rapture cultists are allowing the beast, aided by the dragon- the military machine- to pollute, plunder and destroy the biosphere. Theirs is the path of death. The Bible tells us to choose life.
Deut 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So CHOOSE LIFE in order that you may live, you and your descendants.
In the name of the Prince of Peace, Carol Wolman
It occurs to me that Japan is also outsourcing jobs… I mean, I wonder just how many Americans are working HERE because of the outsourcing of Honda and Toyota??
And how many Americans might not have work HERE if not for their outsourcing???
Without getting into various reasons why Honda, Toyota and Subaru, e.g., might have for building plants in the U.S. which frankly have little to do with the traditional rationale underlying “outsourcing”, Chas., your point is well made concerning the employment of Americans by the Japanese corporations siting plants within this country.
Less transportation costs and more profit from cheaper labor in the U.S. are the primary reasons.
The second reason, which is a very smart PR campaign started by the Japanese – is to make Americans feel good about themselves when they buy a Japanese product because it was made in the U.S.A.
Vaughn, I am aware that the term “outsourcing” for the Japanese auto makers isnt quite the right word… I was going for the jobs aspect…
I am very concerned about the number of jobs outsourced by American corporations, simply because they can get the job done for slave labor costs in another less developed nation…
Also, I have had church members impacted by job outsourcing…
VT, IIRC, your eldest lives in the Twin Cities? Is everyone in her/your family ok? I am assuming so, and that you would have told us if she was impacted by the tragedy there.
I hope all is well :)
…and Tracy, if you are lurking here, how’s yer Dad?
Yes, all is well, kfg. Thanks for asking.
There was a time of stress Wednesday evening, though. I had be assisting with registration at NEMHS, and was ignorant of the bridge collapse until leaving there at 7 to go help my wife. At that time, I learned of the bridge collapse from the pregame show (Royals/Twins). The precise bridge, however, did not become known until I turned on the television, and saw it. Knowing this bridge was just a few blocks from UM (where the elder and hubby are grad students), and was not all that far from their home, I began to be concerned. After a few unanswered telephone calls, anxiety grew. When we made contact, we were told all was well, and that she (logically) had emailed us this fact much earlier before going out to deal with other matters in her life. Logical because although we don’t have net access at home (long story), she knows that her mother is up to her ears in “getting ready for the new school year”, and would likely be at work. Of course, my wife is so busy that checking her email was, at that point, number 11 on the list of top 10 things to do.
There was a benefit to all this, however; I’m now an expert at running catalog envelopes through a postage meter. :-)
Glad to hear it VT. I figured you’d tell us if something was amiss. At least I hope you would :)
I don’t know if it’s outsourcing when you produce in one of your biggest market for the intent of serving that market. Clearly not the case with U.S. outsourcing, where we bring the product back to the home country that sent out the production!Here’s another reason people aren’t buying the great economy line:July job growth slowest since February By Glenn Somerville
1 hour, 57 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Employers boosted payrolls in July at the slowest pace since February, adding 92,000 jobs as the jobless rate ticked up to its highest since the start of the year, a government report on Friday showed.
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The Labor Department also revised down its estimates for job creation in each of the two prior months by a total of 8,000 – to 126,000 in June from a previously reported 132,000 and to 188,000 in May instead of 190,000.
July’s new-job total was the smallest for any month since February, when 90,000 were added. The consensus forecast of economists in a week-old Reuters poll was for 130,000 new jobs in July.
Treasury debt prices rallied after the payrolls data was issued as investors judged that it pushed chances for any hike in official interest rates by the Federal Reserve even further into the future. Stock futures dropped as did the dollar’s value against other major currencies.
The 4.6 percent unemployment rate in July was the highest since a matching 4.6 percent in January and the last time the rate was higher was in August last year when it reached 4.7 percent, department officials said.
Analysts said the July job numbers, while lower than many had expected, should not be taken as a sign the economy was at risk of a downturn.
“It’s moderately softer but it’s not enough to change the overall trend of the economy,” said Pierre Ellis, senior global economist with Decision Economics Inc. in New York. “The start of the third quarter remains relatively healthy.”
The Fed’s policy-setting federal Open Mark Committee holds a one-day meeting on Tuesday and is universally expected to keep its trend-setting federal funds rate at 5.25 percent, where it has been for more than a year.
In the first seven months of 2007, average job growth has eased to 136,000 per month from a more vigorous 189,000 throughout 2006.
All the July job growth came in service industries, which added 104,000 jobs while goods-producing industries cut 12,000 positions. The government shed 28,000 jobs in July, the first time in more than a year and half that the government has cut hiring.
Construction industries shed 12,000 jobs in July, a potential sign of the distress the housing sector is experiencing.
Far too few jobs being created.
How about the casino issue? Who’s voting yea? Who’s voting nay? I can’t decide what to do. I thought Randy had a pretty good editorial about it this morning in the Eagle. I’m starting to lean toward the “yea”…I would hope the revenue would be reflected in better services for our fair city and keep property taxes from being increased.
Phantom, I have argued several times here that the unemployment statistics spewed out by the government arent what is really happening, for a number of reasons… mostly because those who run out of unemployment benefit, are no longer included in the unemployed list… So, it shows up as a false positive…
Hi Mary!! I vote Yea!! I have seen what casinos can do for a city… jobs, income, increased shopping from out of towners… And yes, I am aware that somebody might get addicted(probably already are), and yes, I am aware that the owners get a huge share(thats business, right?)
I feel the over all benefit to the Community is greater than any of the losses…
Besides, I cant help but wonder what percentage of the NAY sayers are being influenced, if not paid, by the folks that run Southwind down in Newkirk… or some of the others up near Topeka???
“those who run out of unemployment benefit…”
Means they should be finding a job that pays something, anything and stop being unemployed.
Casino jobs: accountants, electricians, sound people, stage hands, wait staff, cooks, chefs, other food prep staff… tellers, security, lawyers, lots of jobs often overlooked(intentionally not cited) by Nay Sayers!! LOL
Means they should be finding a job that pays something, anything and stop being unemployed.
Posted by: Republican | August 03, 2007 at 10:35 AM
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Nice pipe dream!!! Doesnt often work out that way in a depressed economy!! Try again!!
Mary,
I voted NO for the casino and YEA for the RACINO.
The way I see it, with the Sumner county influence on the Casino issue there stands to be more benefit of having the Casino isolated away from a population center than taking a chance on the negatives of including it a large population center.
I voted YEA on the Racino as it is already an established gambling establishment and some slots won’t affect the social sensibilities of most.
I still disagree with gambling, but since it’s a done deal regardless how we vote, I decided to wisely distribute my “markers” to cover the widest possible “bet” s tragedy. :)
I will vote No, but when they build it (because I am guessing it will pass) I will go take peoples money.
I don’t play against the house and lose, I play against other people and win!
Nice pipe dream!!! Doesnt often work out that way in a depressed economy!! Try again!!
Posted by: Chas. | August 03, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Depressed economy?
mmmkay Chas, put away the cocaine.
If your household is used to operating on a $5,000 per month budget, and you suddenly find yourself with a mere pittance of that income(unemploymenet benefit), the hardship is obvious… Job re-training can take a long time to happen… if even available… Many factors are involved, but the biggest one is the fact that once the benefit stops, the employment statistics simply drop that person off of the unemployed list… whether re-employed, or not… Surely that could be re-programmed to give better number…
Depressed Economy… DEFINITELY!!!
Another bit of data which could be helpful in some way would be the “underemployment” rate, whereby, e.g., a trained carpenter is employed at the counter of McDonald’s, e.g. The substitution of a $6/hr. job for a $20/hr job (just pulling numbers out of my hat) would reflect that the formerly unemployed person was employed, to be sure, but given the wage differential, there would be less money to be spent in the economy, which might serve as a signal of an upcoming contraction, if the numbers are large enough.
Well Chas if you are unemployed and waiting for your unemployment benefits to expire, then I would suggest you need more motivation than playing nintendo.
Or you can do what a lot of people do until they get back on their feet and find jobs paying in the 9 – 11 dollar hour range, work two jobs until they can get back on their feet and that one 22 dollar hour job pops back up.
Or, you can wallow in your own misery, do nothing and declare bankruptcy and blame everyone else.
It is a choice after all.
Vaughn… I agree… and that is a factor happening a lot…
Republican… I dont qualify for unemployment…
Then get on your horse Chas and start rounding up them dogies. :)
I also dont own Nintendo LOL
Sorry you lose!!!
However, if you check the marked increase in bankruptcy cases, it is very clear that the economy is less than stable…
In this economy if someone isn’t working it’s because they choose not to. Every Dillons store I have been in lately have up ‘help needed’ signs. There is even a trailer set up at Central and Rock just for this purpose. Many of the fast food stores also have up signs. Maybe the starting pay isn’t great but both of these offer quick advancement and benefits to hard workers.
I dont think somebody who chooses not to work, should be so quick to encourage somebody who DOES, to accept employment that is of less quality and dignity than they are worth…
Ksgrm… I have had an app in at Dillons for 2 months… not even a “reject” letter so far…
Fast food joints??? Is that starting pay they claim to give out?? Looks more like an allowance for lots of young people!! Ha Ha Ha!!!
BTW, republican, I am back to work again — so there!!
Oh Chas, you’d would make a fabulous sacker. Let me put in a recommendation for you. :D
What the increased bankruptcys indicate to me is that people are trying to live beyond their means. Eventually this will catch up with you. Rarely are medical bills or some other circumstance beyond your control the reason to file.
The kids coming out of school aren’t starting out with starter homes as many in our generation did. They want to live just like they lived at mom’s and dad’s. Hence the large number of mortgages that are now falling through. Paying nothing but interest the first year, having a first year rate that can double in the second year, etc… All of these are guaranteed losers. This is the softness in the housing and lending industry.
A simplictic answer but real none the less.
Chas I have told you what Zig Zigler said about a salesman who doesn’t believe in his own product not being able to sell it. Maybe you should look for a new product to sell.
Jobs are more unstable than ever..no one is indepensible and in the corporate world you’re nothing more than an asset that can quickly become a liability…no loyalty to employees there.
It’s becoming a scarier world all the time. Even having a good education is no quarantee that you’ll have job security..and if you’re fortunate enough to find a secure job, that doesn’t quarantee an adequate retirement.
You are right Mary…
Ksgrm… And who are you to say if I believe in what I do?? I am NOT a sales person anyway… and Faith is NEVER for sale!!
It’s ALWAYS free!!
Did I miss something here? Didn’t the demo pass that great increase in the minimum wage?
Follow up on that app Chas. I know they are hiring. Maybe you give the impression you are overqualified for the position they are hirig for.
BTW those unemployed are just a small part of the entire picture. Businesses are required to report the number of employed person on their payrolls. They do this for full and part time employees. Therefore monthly the numbers are released reflecting these reportings.
I AM over qualified to work at Dillons… except in management… but that isnt the major reason… When you are nearly 57 yrs old, They tell you you are over qualified for many jobs, and thus, over qualified is the latest form of job discrimination…. I dont need to pursue that app any farther!!
It’s ALWAYS free!!
Posted by: Chas. | August 03, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Plucks tithe back from offering plate…
Chas I am just going by what you write. Silly me. I sure wouldn’t buy what you are selling. Just MOHO. You can’t sell faith – that is certainly correct, but you have to sell the reason I want to have faith. Or maybe persuasion would be a better word that sell. Either way you aren’t selling me on the ‘perfect peace’ talked about in your instruction manual (Bible).
Hey Republican, Ksgrm says Dillons is hiring… you want a job??? I got mine now!!
Ksgrm… I have had an app in at Dillons for 2 months… not even a “reject” letter so far…
Posted by: Chas. | August 03, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Well that explains a lot.
Well, there is peace, and then there is peace “not as the world gives…” I suppose that might make a difference to some folks…
And as far as I am concerned, nothing I do is SELLING… that isnt my “brand” of church… might be for some, but not for me or my denomination
Well, it is that time again, to Walk On By!!! c y all later!!!
Don’t really need a job, I’m comfy as I am now. And I do have additional income coming in from my exploits on the Net.
Besides my face in its present condition is a definite turn off for promoting customer relations.
Plucks tithe back from offering plate…
Posted by: Republican | August 03, 2007 at 11:06 AM
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GOOD for you!! New Testament teaches to give as you are able, not a tithe…
“instruction manual” — Ksgrm
See, you been listening to the wrong folks again Ksgrm… we prefer to see it as a book of illustrations… some usable, others not… others just noteworthy…. LOL
Well, good grief, man, I sure the heck aint no Rock Hudson!!! LOLOL
I find it hysterical that someone who spams to supplement his government welfare check is howling about unemployment.
Pot, meet kettle.
…and does anyone think some of the posters here are starting to sound trollish? Like germie and lj, etc.
Repuke, there is OBVIOUSLY no reason why you cant take a job. You work harder and spend more hours on the blog than any WORKING person does at a job.
But please, continue to spam to supplement your public dole. It gives your posts SO MUCH credibility…
Imagine repuke, getting off the public dole and working as hard at a paying job as trolling and annoying.
Just imagine.
Then remember, he’s an unemployed spammer whining about the employment of others. Just like germie whines about folks on the public dole, yet says nothing about repuke in the taxpayers’ pockets.
Oh, and BTW, germie sure took advantage of public assistance in getting his/her education.
Pot, meet kettle and all. Hypocrisy, thy name is…
Besides my face in its present condition is a definite turn off for promoting customer relations.Posted by: Republican | August 03, 2007 at 11:10 AM
That’s what happens when one sits over a mirror instead of facing it. Not that, in the troll’s case, there’d be much difference.
I see no indication that this is a “depressed” economy/ Of course, depends on the area/ There are many areas that have severe problems, with job shortages, and good paying job shortages. There are also many, many areas that are cruising along just fine, and growing jobs. FOr some, it is not the lack of jobs, but the lack of preparing for jobs that are available. Their choice.
Yes, disabled veteran – living off the government dole – indeed. :)
Sitting over a mirror? Don’t believe I’ve tried that.
Personal experience Tom?
“FOr some, it is not the lack of jobs, but the lack of preparing for jobs that are available. Their choice.’
Well, troll boy seems to have great internet skills. And he certainly has the stamina to BLOG for more than 12 hours per day.
So why, in all his “wisdom” does he NOT put all those skills he brags about to work in this booming economy and get off the public dole?
And like I said, if he worked as hard at earning a living as he does at trolling here, he’d be a freakin’ millionaire.
Disabled Veteran…. claims to be officer rank…. wow, you could get more on that than I do working full time!! LOL
Oh, and troll boy? You’ve said before you were injured in a car accident and this is NOT a service related disability.
But please. Play that “poor WOUNDED (not injured) veteran card again.
I dont give a flying flip about HOW you supposedly got “disabled”. (Read fat dumb and happy collecting welfare).
The fact remains, you clearly have the self professed skills AND stamina to support yourself.
Yet you CHOSE to live off the taxpayer. A parasite of the highest order. You CHOSE welfare.
Hypocrit. Now let’s see ya steal my nic and troll like crazy to cover up the TRUTH about your lazy ass.
He SAYS he IS a veteran.
He also SAYS he is disabled.
The two are not related.
Do you repukes just take LESSONS in conflation?
He’s a lazy ass welfare queen. Deal with it.
Farmie I keep saying that you are smarter than your posts show but I am starting to have my doublts. I told PM that there are many ways for her to get training and job skills. One of those ways could be with grants. This was the way I was able to finish my last year and get my degree. I TOLD YOU THIS. I have never said people shouldn’t use every avenue available to them to acquire better job skills/degree.
Are you related to Wooss Clark? You are beginning to sound like him. Adding nothing relevant to the discussion but keeping the trolling thing going. Move on if you can. This board is becoming very booooring.
I never said I was injured in a car accident KFG, at least none where my disability was involved.
I don’t collect welfare, food stamps or get Social Security payments. I don’t qualify for medicare or medicaid.
I would tell you more about what happened, but the left on this Blog will no doubt use what happened to me against me in their own sick perverted way.
XXX gets skinned up on his motorcycle and everyone thinks that’s horrible. I even gave my heartfelt reaction to his accident.
Imagine this KFG and XXX – imagine living with something that was 10 times worse that leaves you partially paralyzed and unable to stand without assistance of devices.
No, I don’t want sympathy nor do I want to hear how I am living off the government when the government (military) is where I was injured.
I wouldn’t or haven’t trolled your name KFG. I wouldn’t want the taint upon my persona.
He SAYS he IS a veteran.
He also SAYS he is disabled.
The two are not related.
Do you repukes just take LESSONS in conflation?
He’s a lazy ass welfare queen. Deal with it.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | August 03, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Hmm, no such thing as disabled veterans.
I better notify the Pentagon and the Veterans Administration!
I certainly haven;t defended Kansas or Republican, or whatever at any time. He makes his own bed, he can lie in it, the same as everyone else. THat’s my motto, make your choice, live with it. Quit bitching about it. Live with it or change it. Oh. I forgot. I am now a troll, so I should be quiet.
Hmmm I think the real LJ is back among us again!!
Phuck you germie. You certainly did pay for YOUR education on the taxpayer dime.
Let’s see. Germie paying for her education on the taxpayer dime = GOOD!
Anyone else collecting government payments = bad.
Got it.
Oh and repuke”
You LIVING off the taxpayer dime = good.
Anyone else collecting government payments = bad.
Oh, and TROLL BOY? I see how that disability affects your ability to blog, screw with IPs, and generally be nearly a 24/hr per day pain in the ass at your computer.
With THAT kind or stamina, maybe YOU should work two jobs.
And the other thing germie and the troll boy have in common? They both LIE like rugs.
Repuke you certainly have posted that your disability came from an auto accident.
And the fact that you have good internet skills AND stamina is not enough reason for you to get a job and STOP exploiting the welfare system.
And funny how lj was RIGHT THERE when he was mentioned. Repuke trolling under a different name? I bet I’m not the only one who thinks so.
Germie, lj and the TROLL boy have all been busted. Germie and troll have been busted on multiple lies.
And troll boy is STILL living off the taxpayer dime while spending nearly 24 hours per day “working” on the internet.
Either that “internet business” of yours isnt making any money, or you are not reporting it to the folks who give you your monthly welfare check.
Lying lazy ass troll. Spin THAT.
I’m willing to bet lj’s real name is john stone and he used to post here as such. He trolled us over at Wichita Voice. That freakin’ semicolon instead of a ‘ is his typing trademark.
And “aaron” stone trolled us over at WV and here too.
Trolls. They’re not just for breakfast anymore.
And you say get over it? Hehehehehe. Like repuke did after April 1?
Hmmm. I feel a bone dig coming on.
Oh, adn repuke? We have empathy for xxx because he is not a troll and he does NOT lie like a rug.
And you?
Crickets chirping.
BIG phucking difference.
…and the last I heard? XXX was NOT exploiting any “disability” for sympathy and profit.
And you?
The last I heard, XXX still makes his living the old fashioned way. He works for it.
And you?
crickets chirping
Farmgrrl,
I don’t think Littlejohn is a troll, or being trolled. I think he was pretty angry the other day.
I know that feeling.
Hey ksfarmgrrl. You are full of shit. Period. I don;t know any of those people, but since I can;t prove it, believe what ever the hell you want. You’d lost your bet. But, thanks for your concern about my identity. Your just pissed because I threw some of your own tempermental, sourass, attitiude back at you, and called you out on your bs. Get over yourself.
” Rarely are medical bills or some other circumstance beyond your control the reason to file.The kids coming out of school aren’t starting out with starter homes as many in our generation did. They want to live just like they lived at mom’s and dad’s. Hence the large number of mortgages that are now falling through.
Posted by: ksgrm | August 03, 2007 at 10:58 AM ”
Ksgrm,Where do you get your information.
Medical bill and other circumstances beyond individual control ARE the leading cause of bankruptcy filings.http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html
The majority of foreclosures are not on starter homes for kids out of school.http://www.foreclosuresmass.com/blog/view/readpost/pid/14/Foreclosure_can_happen_to_anyone
Try doing research first next time. Thanks for playing, though.
LJ, no YOU are full of shit.
Search posts for john_s and aaron_s. He even posted as “scott” before. That ; is a dead givaway lj.
Oh and lj, you are just pissed because I clocked you on the god thread the other day. So you took it out on me yesterday. And proved nothing. In fact, others actually ENJOYED the thread after you quit posting your crap.
But please, feel free to deny. I mean, who are we going to believe, you and your ;?
Or our very own lying eyes. Take a big fat guess.
Like I sais, can’t prove that aI am not, so think what you want. If that makes you feel better. You want my Real ID? send me an email at kansas49er@yahoo.com, post some veriable information here, and if you won;t share it here, I might share it with you.
“Or our very own lying eyes”
You got it. Your lying! You didn;t clock me on anything. You threw out your typical ranting, namecalling, bs. I called you on it. You’re a bigot. Plain and simple. Bigot
On second thought. I will not provide you You are to much of a hothead and bigot. I will howeve, provide it to Tom, if he wants. Him, I respect.
Right lj. And repuke isnt james macklin either….
Still don;t know what or who the hell you are taling about. But fine, have it your way. You must anyway.
“With national health insurance (’Medicare for All’), we could provide comprehensive, lifelong coverage to all Americans for the same amount we are spending now and end the cruelty of ruining families financially when they get sick.”
Brain this statement from your own source says it all. Can you say ‘universal healthcare’. Research can say anything you want it to say especially if you interview those who have been associated with the Harvard School of Medicine and it fits your agenda.
As for foreclosures, the failure of designer mortgage firms says it all.
If we don’t learn from our past mistakes we are doomed to repeat them.
Farmie the more I listen to your rants I can see where any employer of yours would fire you in a minute. You are an out of control radical who can’t see beyond the end of her nose.
You post that I lie, well back up that statement or growup. You act like a middle schooler who is in need of some strong discipline.
Ohhh KFG… I am shocked!! Shocked I say… I thought sure that was James Macklin… you know, the one and only JM???
LOLOL
I think Clark has amply proven your lies germie. I’m not going to rehash it again. Regular readers know it.
Just like they recognize lj’s posts with the ; in place of the ‘.
I just think it is laughable when you all deny what we can readily see. But whatever. It lends so much credibility to your posts.
Hey, Ksgrm… Check this out…. right from Brian’s Post… >>>
Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds
Chas, that was sarcasm. All the stuff about his blogging and JM/James Macklin persona has been previously posted. He likes to deny it, but anyone who followed the bread crumbs could see it at the time.
And you should go back to his posts shortly after April 1. His WHINING about nic switching and trolling was just hysterical. He was whining about the very same things he is known to do.
I dont care enough to go back and repost, but if you are interested (and I cant imagine why you would be) read the open threads. You will see him and aaron_s and john_s. They were trolling me back then too. If you care about blog history, it really is funny.
When it isnt really pathetic and sad…
And here’s another one >>>
“What it comes down to is that home owners facing foreclosure all have one thing in common, a common denominator if you will, and that is financial hardship.
Financial Hardship can be caused by death in the family, a recent divorce, job loss, medical emergencies, and what we’re going to be seeing a lot more of in the future – rising interest rates.”
I know KFG… and I was just kidding…. I remember the April blogs MOST funny!!
What gets me in stitches is when the Troll talks to itself in its many names… Sort of reminds me of the “Nigerian” Scammers who have all that money to give you!! LOL
OK Chas, re-reading your post, I see YOU were employing sarcasm as well. heheheheheeh!
And not only do I love it when the troll talks to himself, I find it ROF funny when he cheers himself on and compliments himself on his own posts.
He must have a random nic generator….
And since I have clearly lost both my patience for ankle biters AND my sense of humor regarding trolls, I think it is time for me to “walk on by” for the day.
‘Cause ya know, I actually WORK for my living. And willingly assume the risk of an entrepreneur.
But it sure would be easier to let the govt pay me and my tuition to go to school to upgrade my skills.
And did I mention how nice it would be to have access to a sure thing welfare check and associated benefits every month?
But alas, I was born to be an entrepreneur. Culture of personal responsibility, dontchya know.
Okay. Ksfarmgrrl, you have named me as several people whom I have never heard of. You have named me as troll, as taliban, as a liar. Fine. In this country, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Go ahead. I have never been anything than what I am on this blog. And maybe you have also, I was just to blind to so see it. I told you yesterday, I am no longer going to put up with speculatin, and slander, and outright lies put here as fact. I guess that must be what got you so upset
When the idiots take over the board it is time to do something productive.
Farmie if Wooss is your source you have no credibility and it is no wonder you are losing in every endeavor you pursue. By your own definition you are poor (even after winning a large lawsuit), not able to marry your woman (eventhough your testified before the legislature), need I go on. Personal attacks are the pits when they start coming back aren’t they?
I’m just walking on by…
“If we don’t learn from our past mistakes we are doomed to repeat them.
Posted by: ksgrm | August 03, 2007 at 12:40 PM ”
It may behoove you to follow your own advice.
Occasionally, challenge your beliefs by looking up some research or other information about them. Review whether the opinions you have are still valid; sometimes they are sometimes they are not.
There is a lot of information readily available on almost any topic. See what others are writing and what the most current studies say.
Brian, I am living proof ;->
LJ, I could show you the post where somebody claiming to be LJ, posted with”americantalibanformerlyknowasLJ”
But i cant remember which thread it was on… some of us wondered if it was the REAL LJ, or if your nic had been stolen….
Latest judicial development in the case involving Member of the House of Representatives, William Jefferson (D, LA), popularly referred to as “Cold Cash”:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/03/jefferson.investigation.ap/index.html
I just heard that on the Radio Vaughn… Amazing what names the Liberals got called when they said the intrusion into his office was illegal, and off limits, etc.
RE: Jefferson
The court did not rule the “intrusion” was illegal. Only part was illegal. So part must have been legal.
Here is the story:
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected that claim. The court held that, while the search itself was constitutional, FBI agents crossed the line when they viewed every record in the office without giving Jefferson the chance to argue that some documents involved legislative business.
It also ruled that the documents seized by the FBI that were determined to be “privileged” by the Court (the legislative documents) were to be returned forthwith to Mr. Jefferson, with the admissibility into evidence of the other documents left to the trial judge.
Sol
Yes, we were on the “Gold Standard until gold was flowing out of Ft. Knox at 32 dollars a troy ounce because the dollar was becoming weaker. Once “floater” { Gold almost immediately came to rest at about 120 dollars a troy ounce.
Gold held in the now “Open Market” is the best indicator { or benchmark } for the true value of the dollar and if you weren’t so G-D stupid, you’d understand Economics 101 as does any Highschool student does know {or should know } today.
You are such as annoying ignorant bastard.
Go kill some jews ed. You are an oxygen thief.
Freakin retard !!!!!
Hotdog, nice posts on Social Security above.
Since the Democrats have been the ones to start this mess, and make it worse, then you think the Dems will be the ones to solve it now?
Hell no. Ted Kennedy won’t even admit there’s a problem. He’s still lying.
http://www.icba.org/files/PDFs/attachment2.pdf
Brian if you look at the referrenced paper you will see that other research paints a much different picture than the Harvard study. They had no axe to grind and had no predetermined conclusion in mind. Many other studies share their views. I used this one because in the introduction they allude to the leading reasons bankruptcy has become more accepted.
This is a 1998 study that was comissioned by congress when they were looking at the root causes of filings with a view to making changes to the laws. Most of these changes were enacted.
I realize that this is an older study than yours but it is still pertinent in that it was very inclusive and not a survey taken from a select audience.
On an aside, medical bills can be a major contributor to the final filing but research has shown that many voluntaryly do not carry available insurance because they think they are young and healthy and the money could be better used for a new car, new furniture, that amazing cruise, you fill in the blank.
Can we say then that medical bills caused the bankruptcy when in effect it a bad choice that they weren’t covered when hit with a catastrophic illness or injury?
Market Meltdown, good think people retiring don’t have their ss in the market today.
Phantom, what’s the return on our Social Security investment now?
I see the entrepreneur (cough) KFG is still spouting.
The James Macklin thing again eh?
James Macklin is a second amendment guy only. I’ve even seen his Website.
Here’s how KFG and many other Democrats determine what is true and what isn’t.
Say it.Say that you have said it.Repeat again that you’ve said it before.Say again about what you repeated.Repeat what you repeat.
Therefore, anything that is written or said repeatedly must be true.
That is the foundation of Liberally brain dead party of Democrats.
For those who die before reaching retirement age, then there is a HUGE negative return on Social Security.
Just call Social Security a TAX on the unlucky, and an investment for the lucky.
” They had no axe to grind and had no predetermined conclusion in mind.”Posted by: ksgrm | August 03, 2007 at 02:44 PM
What are you insinuating? That a leading Ivy League university put out biased research information?Or is it anyone that comes up with a different conclusion than you like was biased or had an ‘ax to grind’?
Harvard is a liberal university by definition as is Yale and the Ivy League institutions. I didn’t define them. That was done by the trend of their educational values.
I looked at your study and saw an ability to float an agenda with their findings, namely universal healthcare.
If you really look at several studies you will find that the inability to have health care was not really that big a problem for the majority of bankruptcies. It was in fact the failure to see the need to take advantage of the benefits available to them because they didn’t want to make the investment.
It is that ‘nanny state’ mentality that says if I fail the government will pick me up.
I just call them as I see them. I was in insurance for over 10 years and can tell you this is a fair scenario. The real laugh will be when/if universal healthcare becomes a reality and they find they no longer have the choice. When UH is instituted taxes will go up to pay for it (someone has to pay afterall). They then will be mandated to pay for it and well as for those slackards who lay around on their butts and live off the fat of the land. I can hardly wait. How long will they work before figuring out that if they stay home and watch Jerry Springer all day the government will take care of them too. That is until there are no more workers left to support the masses and our economy fails and the demos all scratch their heads and wonder what happened.
“If you really look at several studies you will find that the inability to have health care was not really that big a problem for the majority of bankruptcies. It was in fact the failure to see the need to take advantage of the benefits available to them because they didn’t want to make the investment.”
Unforeseen healthcare expenses are a major factor in bankruptcies. I guess there Are different levels of causality. Maybe if they had insurance they would not have had to incur such high medical expenses. Maybe if they had lived a ‘better’ life they would not have gotten sick, I mean that is their choice to make, right?
“I just call them as I see them.”Posted by: ksgrm | August 03, 2007 at 03:45 PM
I suggest you review the basis for your perceptions. Your constant slant that any information not fitting with your ideas is wrong reveals some things about how you think.
Brian how is taxing the crap out of them going to make it better. You don’t honestly think that universal healthcare won’t come with a price do you?
Then they will still be poor and will then have bankruptcys because they have no disposable income. Same difference. Except in this case we as tax payers are paying for their bad choices. It’s a little like the casino vote. Voting no because some problem gamblers can’t control themselves is no different that voting for UH because some people aren’t smart enough to take advantage of the insurance benefit they are offered is it?
The government can’t be all things for all people or we will no longer be living in a free country. Can you say Cuba, Venezeula, the USSR, etc…
ksgrm,What are you talking about? Univeral health care blah, blah blah.
I am talking about causes of bankruptcy.
“You don’t honestly think that universal healthcare won’t come with a price do you?”Posted by: ksgrm | August 03, 2007 at 04:14 PM
You don’t honestly think that our current healthcare system is good, and efficient, do you?
* For-profit corporations that decide if patients will get treatment, and what type.
* A massive overhead, that wastes 15 to 30% of the money.
* Uninsured/poor people who delay seeking treatment until their symptoms become worse — and perhaps untreatable.
* Uninsured/poor who get (expensive) treatement at the ER, causing everyone elses costs/premiums to rise.
But that’s their choice, cosmos, duh. We don’t want no nanny state. What are you some kind of commie?
(sarcasm off)
The court did not rule the “intrusion” was illegal. Only part was illegal. So part must have been legal.Posted by: Hud | August 03, 2007 at 01:45 PM
Saddly this congressman is guilty as sin. The cold hard cash was found in the freezer compartment in his house.
Play games with the law all you want – the guy is guilty. GUILTY!GUILTY!!!!
Now defend him to the last liberal standing………
The court did not rule the “intrusion” was illegal. Only part was illegal. So part must have been legal.Posted by: Hud | August 03, 2007 at 01:45 PM
This congressman is guilt as sin. They found the cold hard cash in the freezer at his home.
Play the legal angle all you want. But this turd is going down the drain. Guilty. GUILTY! GUILTY!!!
Brian [addressing Ksgrm]:”I suggest you review the basis for your perceptions. Your constant slant that any information not fitting with your ideas is wrong reveals some things about how you think.”
I think part of what you see with ksgrm is her struggle with the inconsistency of core beliefs and her behavior. All people find inconsistencies unpleasant and will go to interesting lengths to reduce these inconsistencies -especially if they affect core beliefs about the organization of the universe. This phenomenon is known as cognitive dissonance.
A core belief for ksgrm is: ‘Nobody should take handouts from others. Why, if you pull yourself up by your bootstraps, you can take care of your own problems.’ [This is my paraphrasing of a core belief that she seems to clearly be in possession of.]
This is from a post ksgrm made in early May, 2007:
“I will admit I had help in doing this. It happened to be the same year Boeing laid off a large number of people and because the CEO couldn’t tell the real reason he terminated me, he said he had elimenated [sic] my position, I qualified as a displaced person. The state helped me and hundreds of others get our degrees. That is why I say help is ok but if they had just paid me to set at home, I would have learned nothing, and never been able to pull myself. Gov. does play a part in helping others help themselves. It took three semesters to achieve something I had not had the time or money for in the past.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_1.html#comment-68329544
The dissonance producing elements are: 1) ksgrm’s core belief – see above and 2) ksgrm’s acceptance of help from the state. A pretty definite conflict between a core belief and her behavior is evident here.
So, does this conflict get reduced by her changing her core belief – maybe people can accept help and not be bad? It usually does not work that way. Instead we have grm doing some intellectual twisting – ’since I was not paid to sit at home’ accepting help was okay and this fits with her self-reliance schema. In fact I am betting that resolving this incongruence strengthened grm’s perceptions that those who take welfare are lazy and bad, while her accepting help was a sign of ‘personal responsibility’.
I would recommend a very good recent book on cognitive dissonance:_Mistakes were made (but not by ME)_ by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson. Both authors are social psychologists and Aronson did much of the early research on cognitive dissonance.
Thank you, ksgrm, for providing a classroom example of cognitive dissonance.
If grm is reading tonight, she will weigh in on what a bitter, angry, unhappy and failure of a person I am.
Mind you, she knows nothing about me, but such pit bull attacks are her typical response.
Also, mind you, I was not being critical of her. All people employ dissonance reducing manuevers – it is part of who & what humans are.
I make mistakes, however I endeavor to not lie to myself and others about them. That is easier at some times than others.
“We’ve been engaged in a phony war,” said Gingrich. “The only people who have been taking this seriously are the combat military.”
His remarks seemed to reflect, in part, the findings of a National Intelligence Estimate made public last month.
In the estimate, the U.S. intelligence community concluded that six years of U.S. efforts to degrade the al-Qaida terrorist group had left the organization constrained but still potent, having “protected or regenerated” the capability to attack the United States in ways that have left the country “in a heightened threat environment.”
“We have to take this seriously,” said Gingrich.
“We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany,” he said, referring to World War II.
“We beat all three in less than four years. We’re about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against … [terrorist groups], and we’re losing.”
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html
cognitive dissonance – how freshman psych class usage is that?
Well, Thank you, Republiblank for your “well thought out critique” [sic]. We can always count on you for knowlegeable [sic] comments. Also, we can always count on you to own up to mistakes you make, right? LOL… :D
Of course, if you knew your ass from you know what, you’d realize the fact that it is mentioned in general psychology is a reflection of the importance of the theory. Thanks for making point.
“my” point.
Interesting. Blog side psychology opinions. Coming soon, medical diagnosis. (Cough into the screen, please.)
Anyone do fortune telling?
Only Bill Frist does those long distance video diagnosis tricks…
Hmm got to this one late…
Well, it SHOULD be remembered that ksgrm is an employer (exploiter) of others. SHE does not work. She makes her dime on the backs of others.
.02
I would like to correct the mischaracterizations above. Describing cognitive dissonance in no way is providing medical or psychological diagnoses. As I said before, people with no evidence of any psychological disorders employ cognitive dissonance manuevers.
“As I said before, people with no evidence of any psychological disorders employ cognitive dissonance manuevers.”
We are all hypocrites, it is just that others’ hypocrisy seems so much worse than our own.