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Open thread 8/28
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 28, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Gov. Sebelius attended meetings with world leaders in Istanbul, Turkey in early June, but where are Kansas newspaper stories about this?
http://web.saljournal.com/blogs/?p=1884
Bilderberg 2007 – Towards a One World Empire?Nexus Magazine, Vol 14, No. 5 (Aug-Sept 2007)[with excerpts in Malaysia Today, Aug 19, 2007: The Corridors of Power]
Discussions at the 2007 Bilderberg Group meetings covered concerns over the World Bank presidency, Russia’s muscle-flexing on energy issues and the failure of US-led NATO forces in Afghanistan.
NOT PRIVATE, BUT SECRET
Although participants emphatically attest that they attend the Club’s annual meeting as private citizens and not in their official government capacity, that affirmation is dubious-particularly when you compare the Chatham House Rule with the Logan Act in the United States, where it is absolutely illegal for elected officials to meet in private with influential business executives to debate and design public policy.
DELEGATES AT BILDERBERG 2007Istanbul, Turkey, 31 May – 3 June 2007This year’s delegation included many of the most important politicians, businessmen, central bankers, European commissioners and executives of the Western corporate press. They were joined at the table by leading representatives of European royalty.
According to the Bilderberg Steering Committee list which this author has had access to, the following names have now been confirmed as attendees at the Bilderberg 2007 conference (uncharacteristically, David Rockefeller was not present).
. . .Kathleen Sebelius, Governor of Kansas (USA);
So?
Don’t wait, we need “Brownies Law” today!Edwards wants law against “Brownies” By Jeff Franks1 hour, 56 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) – Former Sen. John Edwards said at a Hurricane Katrina conference he would propose what he called “Brownie’s Law” requiring that qualified people, not political hacks, lead key federal agencies.
ADVERTISEMENTEdwards, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, drew laughter when he spoke on Monday of the proposal at the “Hope and Recovery Summit” ahead of the two-year anniversary of the storm on Wednesday.
“It’s an absolute travesty to have people who are essentially political hacks in a very responsible position,” he told the audience at the University of New Orleans.
“Brownie” refers to Michael Brown, who was head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency when Katrina struck the United States on August 29, 2005. He was criticized as being a political appointee unprepared to lead FEMA when a floundering government effort stranded thousands for days in flooded New Orleans.
He resigned shortly after President George W. Bush, who appointed him to the post, told him publicly, “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job” as chaos reigned in the devastated city.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican presidential hopefuls Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter also spoke at Monday’s summit. All candidates for the two major parties were invited, but only these four could attend, a summit spokeswoman said.
Clinton, Edward’s Democratic rival, blasted the Bush administration’s response to Katrina, saying the government has not done enough to help New Orleans recover from the storm that killed more than 1,400 people and destroyed thousands of homes.
“We act like we’re not a rich country. I don’t understand that,” Clinton said.
Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor whose finished second in a recent Iowa Republican presidential straw poll, gave the government a “mixed review” on Katrina and said he would make sure federal aid money was well spent.
After Katrina, “there was a lot of guilt and so the guilt resulted in just putting (in) money, not necessarily strategic money,” he said.
Hunter, a U.S. representative from California, said Katrina had proven that “government is inept.”
He praised the efforts of average citizens to help storm victims, saying: “I see rising from the destruction of Katrina a new and profound appreciation for freedom
Oh my GAWD, it gets even better:
“GOP Sen. Larry Craig Quits Romney Campaign After Revelation of Arrest in Sex Sting”
My source–the first link on Google News is, ironically, Fox.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294852,00.html
P.S. FOr obvious reasons, this cartoon came to mind:
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=22442
Craig’s charge was a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. It’s unfortunate that it occurred.
Do I detect some Gay bashing amongst the Libs here?
go home illegal’s !!!
Could be Kansas, but nothing like the sweet Senator was doing in his support for a National ban on Gay marriages! LOL, but then why would he need to marry a man, he was already married to a woman!Do you think he and Barney Frank will make some diner plans?
Heheh, Gay-bashing? Hardly. I could give two shits who Craig sleeps with.
Want to see gay-bashing? How about this?:**********************”A statement of mine has been quoted out of context to suggest I am opposing the proposed marriage amendment to Idaho’s constitution,” Craig said. “On the contrary, I intend to vote in favor of HJR 2, consistent with the longstanding position I have taken in the U.S. Senate that the appropriate definition of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. The misquoted statement only reflects my belief that each State should be allowed to make its own decision on the definition of marriage, instead of being forced to accept another State’s definition.”************************http://craig.senate.gov/releases/pr110606a.cfm
The man is a hypocrite and a coward.
Rage,
It is hardly “gay bashing” to not support homosexual marriage.
I suppose that depends on what you mean by “bashing.” Denying people basic contractual rights (and the important familial privileges that come with them)based on the religious objections of some is at best cruel.
Certainly more so than laughing at a pathetic, outed hypocrite.
Rage,
First of all, it is not a basic contractual right to have the government endorse your marriage.
The government places several restrictions on who may and who may not get married and has done so for… well since it’s creation.
Religious objections or not, the point that homosexuality is nothing more than a choice and doesn’t deserve special treatment is still there.
It is becoming more and more common place that the left is bastardizing terms like racist, gay basher, and whatever else to some of the most simple and little things.
Take for instance, opposing gay marriage. Hardly gay bashing.
We may disagree, but you have no need to label me with the likes of those who would chain a homosexual to a fence and beat him half to death.
You only weaken the term for what it was truly meant to represent. Truly despicable low life people.
Craig is hardly outed. Hardly a hypocrite.
I know it is common practice to take something and twist it into as big of a deal as you can around here, but your statements definately take the cake.
It seems clear that the lawmaker did in fact plead guilty to the crime in the men’s restroom in Minnesota. And since the crime involved did indeed involve some kind of sexual advance toward another male, it seems that this advance is not what could in any way be construed as heterosexual.
For the lawmaker to persist in backing laws opposing the very behavior he himself was engaging in when arrested, would then by definition seem at best hypocritical. And at worst, a bit on the “bashing” side of the matter.
Perhaps what is sometimes termed as “mind intercourse” is the appropriate term for such a law maker’s attitude toward the gay population.
“We may disagree, but you have no need to label me with the likes of those who would chain a homosexual to a fence and beat him half to death.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-828.html#comment-80825743
I believe the individual in question was chained to a fence, and beaten all the way to death. That would be Mr. Matthew Shepherd.
For more on the Bilderberger conferences, see references to such at http://www.prisonplanet.com
Do I detect some Gay bashing amongst the Libs here?Posted by: Kansas | August 28, 2007 at 02:09 AM
Actually, it’s more like hypocrite bashing. Republican politicians set themselves up for that when they rail against Gay issues and then get caught soliciting for gay sex in public restrooms.
Just came in from viewing the eclipse of the moon, back to bed now.
Hank
CNN is reporting this morning that the airport incident isn’t the first time GOP Sen. Larry Craig has had “behavior” problems. Can we say “closet Gay”?
Oh, the shame!
Craig says,”The misquoted statement only reflects my belief that each State should be allowed to make its own decision on the definition of marriage, instead of being forced to accept another State’s definition.”
Apparently, he thinks the Constitution is wrong. Is he trying to get it amended?
“Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.”
It is obvious to anybody now that, in fact, the Republican Party is full of closet homosexuals, drug addicts, child molesters and other sexual deviants. Larry Craig is just the latest in a long line of Republicans to get caught with their pants down- literally. And this guy is from Idaho! Isn’t that where Brokeback Mountain is located??
Trying to play “footsie” under the stall wall in a men’s restroom sounds like a good way to get a leg removed.Looks like sexuallly deviant Republicans are getting to be the norm.
“Snuffy Smith” –
It’s not about sexual deviance, it’s wholesale political hypocricy; the Republic Party welcomes, indeed depends on, hypocrits as its margin-of-victory.
Since 1980 and Ronald Reagan’s election, the Republic Party has promised it would end abortion. They never meant it. They know nothing will eliminate women demanding reproductive rights. But as long as they can drag the twice-born to the polls with empty rhetoric, the hypocrits of the GOP will attempt to thrive with the rhetoric even as they fail to advance their proclaimed issue.
The GOP will continue to demonize gays, just because it rouses the rabble. Republics know better than to think there’s anything “conservative” that stands in the way of same-gender marriage; but golly, it’s been a good red-meat issue for them at election time.
There’s no movement in the Republic Party to “ex-Foley-ate” their party; they’ve thrived for a long time by embracing closeted gays who’d say anything to win that homophoic vote in the GOP column.
Senator Craig is just the latest example of the Republic Party’s core constituency: hypocrits.
So-called “small government” Republics line up at the trough to get “Faith-Based Initiative” money from the feds. So-called “original intent Constitutionalists” are more than willing to cede their rights of jury trial, habeus corpus, and privacy so long as they’re convinced the Shrub government will only focus its unrestrained power against brown people who speak Spanish.
The Republic Party will pump billions of taxpayer dollars to CitiCorp and sub-prime mortgage brokers to save their asses, but insist that the people who fell for the mortgage shell game cannot find the same bankruptcy relief enjoyed by United Airlines, Delta, Wonder Bread… the list goes on and on and on, thanks to the Republic Party.
118,000 American children are waiting to be adopted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_in_the_United_States
“COUPLE RESCUES 4-YEAR-OLD MUTTBuddy finds home on tree farmBY TIM POTTERThe Wichita Eagle
Mike Hutmacher/The Wichita EagleSusan and Bob Grelinger adopted Buddy from the Kansas Humane Society after seeing a story in the Sunday Wichita Eagle.Wichita Animal Shelter pets for adoptionKansas Humane Society pets for adoptionPlanned shelter complex may save thousands of adoptable petsBuddy has a home.
The mutt whose life depended on being adopted has been taken in by Susan and Bob Grelinger, and the dog is settling in under shade trees at their farm.”
Republicans are starving the poor:
Study Ranks Mississippi as Fattest State in U.S.
Need more Socialism to fix this problem. Need free treadmills to go with the free food and housing.
The children can walk on the treadmills while they are waiting for the school bus each morning.
And they can walk on the treadmills after school, while they have a snack and watch TV.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294873,00.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003856569_obesity28.html
Check out the map, the poorest states in the US in the deep south, are the most fat.
Maybe there should be a limitation on the number of tweenkies that can be bought with food stamps.
Are you pointing out Wahawk, how this illustrates our obsession with animals?
Or how backasswards it is that a stupid mutt getting adopted is big news, while thousands of kids are left waiting?
Thank you.
http://www.davethomasfoundation.org/index.asp
Hillary Clinton will solve the obesity problem.
She plans to STARVE people, ESPECIALLY the ELDERLY. Hillary will save a $1 Trillion just by starving senior citizens.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/healthcarecosts.pdf
SENATOR CLINTON’S 7-STEP STRATEGY TO REDUCE HEALTH COSTS WHILE INCREASING AFFORDABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND QUALITY
1. Install a Groundbreaking National Prevention Initiative to Reduce the Incidence of Obesity and Diseases Such as Diabetes and Cancer that Impose Huge Human andFinancial Costs: This century’s plague is chronic illness including diabetes, heart conditions,obesity and other chronic conditions. Obesity rates have doubled among adults over the past 20 years;
in fact Medicare could save over a trillion dollars over 25 years if obesity among seniors could be returned to levels in the 1980s.
We report, you decide. (Yeah, I thought the point was obvious, maybe not to all.)
Are you pointing out Wahawk, how this illustrates our obsession with animals?
**That’s ok, but there are other priorities.
Or how backasswards it is that a stupid mutt getting adopted is big news, while thousands of kids are left waiting?
**Yes.
Nice job of reporting – Eagle.
Also Max, the thought of Hillary as president makes me lose my appetite.
Fight obesity. Imagine Hillary as president!
True Outlander!
Hillary could just put up nude posters of herself everywhere, and most of us would lose our appetites!
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Closets are for clothes, household cleansers, and old abandoned sporting equipment.
Closets are not places for people to spend their lives. People who live in closets live in fear and shame of who they are. After a lifetime of lying to themselves, the closet-dwellers forget the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair, charity and cruelty. Closet-dwellers act out their unhealthy life in ways that are illegal, and damaging and dangerous to others.
Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and others deserve to pay the price of willfully living in closets. They should know better.
Sol, LOL!
Not even Bill is on the list!
If society was more understanding and forgiving, homosexuals wouldn’t feel forced to live in the closet. As it is, it’s about only way they can get where they want professionally. How many openly gay candidates get elected to public office? To me it’s no different than when some blacks used to try and pass for being white.Sure, he’s to blame for his illegal behavior, but society’s judgemental arttitude toward anything that’s not perceived as “normal” is partly to blame.
Living in a closet is a choice, pure and simple.
I find prominent gays who further their career by being in the closet to be no better than Larry Craig. Profiting from a lie is profiting from a lie.
Cowards are cowards. Liars are liars. And people who profit from lies and cowardly lives?
Hypocrits. Out them all!
Republican, the “Big Closet” party.
MaryWhen the media asks Obama if he is black enough? This question should tell you all you need to know about where we are as a society. First it was, “is America ready for a black president?” Then it went to, “is he black enough?” He is not running for President of the NAACP, he is running for the highest office in the land.
Repukes denying their sexual orientation, and hating those with the same orientation is the worst kind of self-loathing. I don’t know when those that perscribe to the Repuke mantra are going to wake up. They are using you for your vote and nothing more. They have no interest in producing the legislation that they promised on the campaign trail. They are the worst kind of hypocrites, their actions are completely opposite of their words.
Dems may lean to the more socialist side of an issue. But Repukes, want a police state, with profit before all else.
This is a ridiculous thread already! I don’t even know where to start. First, on the Craig thing…imagine how ridiculous it would be to be sitting in a public stall minding your business, and have some person next to you spout “I’m a SENATOR, what do you think of THAT?” It flipping cracks me up just thinking about it. And where did the senator learn that foot tapping was actually a sign for sex in public? I’ve never heard that.
I’m straight and i don’t go into public bathrooms looking to spring on em. That’s why he’s a perv.
Why do we not have a whole bunch of closeted gays on the lib side? I think these Republicans are torn between being true to themselves and the religious dogma that their group shames them into the closet.
2. I don’t think someone adopting a dog over a kid is something that should be shamed. As a society as a whole, yes, but not an individual. Perhaps if it was easier to take care of one’s own family financially, they could have the resources to take in other kids instead of a dog. But conservatives will never see the connection.
3. The south has culturally fatty foods. It’s yummy. And when you’re raised on Southern foods, it’s awfully hard to try to switch healtier. I have yet to find a better substitute for cooking chicken fried steak in fat.
“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” Abraham Lincoln
There are plenty of Kansas democrats, and their enablers, who need to be outed as well.
Wow, Mitt Romney cant run away from Larry Craig FAST enough. Heheheheheheh.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294852,00.html
“The south has culturally fatty foods. It’s yummy. And when you’re raised on Southern foods, it’s awfully hard to try to switch healtier. I have yet to find a better substitute for cooking chicken fried steak in fat.” PMOM
Eat whatever you want.
But then don’t complain about all your health problems, disabilities, and look to the government for a Socialist Handout because you fail to diet and exercise.
These “poor” people are NOT being starved by Republicans. They are being fed to death.
I always suspected this. And I suspected it from a position of extreme envy. I love the part that the ability declines with age.
That’s my excuse and I’m stickin’ with it…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070827/music_nm/gene_pitch_dc
Damn, kfg, if you’re taking that as your excuse, then I’ve got to find another one…. :-)
There are plenty of Kansas democrats, and their enablers, who need to be outed as well.Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | August 28, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Farmgrrl,
Don’t effin’ tempt me.
Heheheheheheheheheheheheh TOM!!!!!
I’ve got a few candidates of my own…
…hee hee hee hee!
And I have veeeeeery personal experience with at least one of them….
hee hee hee heeeeeeeee!
THAT oughta strike fear in the hearts of certain democrat enablers…
Farmgrrl,
Maybe in a couple of years when I’m “homo emeritus.” Then you and I can share lists…
…with the media.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Farmgrrl,
REAL fun can be had outing the Kansas REPUBLICANS that live in the closet. But don’t even get me started on that one…
Meadowlark, I received your order for 7 tinfoil hats but I still need your address to ship them.
“homo emeritus”
HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEE!!!!
In case I havent told you lately, I love you Tom…
If you _really_ loved me, I’d see you at 11:00am this Friday…
:::evil laugh:::
The scary thing Tom, I think I actually heard you laughing…
Lynz,
Don’t look behind you…
Heheheheheh. You know, the rumor has started that I’ll be there….
…and the snipers are already lining up on top of the Jayhawker!
Is it appropriate to send salsa? Not enough water left to grow flowers :)
Heh! And I’m already “homo emeritus”!
Don’t scare me like that!
This GOP operative:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Finkelsteinmarried his male partner:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1380821/posts
This is the same operative who helped get out the vote among religious conservatives by the anti-gay marriage amendments on the ballots in a number of states in 2004.
Now, Republican/Kansas, etc. will say this is gay bashing and he will say that to silence legitimate criticisms against these conservative hypocrites.
I am reminded of the “Capos” who were Jewish junior guards in the Nazi concentration camps. Those folks were reportedly much more cruel to the Jewish captives than the Nazis were. Freudian “identification with the aggressor” has been invoked to explain this troubling situation.
Any way, to be clear and to dispute Repub/Kansas’s attempt to mischaracterize, my criticisms here are of hypocrites, not gay people.
Say Chas is usually all over these gay threads, where’s he been lately?
He still around?
Speakin of ‘have you seen’…
Anyone heard from/seen Fleet lately?
In the second link in my post above, has anyone else noticed that calling one’s self a “libertarian” is the last refuge of a conservative Republican scoundrel?
Fleet was offering his insightful opinions on the Global Warming thread last weekend. The first time he’d been around in quite a while.
And Sol, in my 10:16 post, I am not talking about real libertarians – like the ones you know, but fake libertarians.
fap fap fap :)
And where is khan? He’s usually all over these “gay” threads….
And Ksgolfnutz? He’s ALSO usually all over these “gay” threads…
I guess the homophobes are sleeping in today? Or just avoiding discussion about gay, republican, christianists?
heheheheheheh…..
Tom Gorman?Is that you?
Steven, I heard a letter read last night on “The Cafferty File” from Steven in Kansas.
Sure sounded like you!
Don’t worry Steve, Conservatives are not declining in numbers.
Republicans just don’t represent conservatives anymore.
And I wonder if liberals really think the Democrats represent you?
1/2 of America doesn’t care or gave-up, and doesn’t vote. The other 1/2 is still trying to find a representative that will listen to People and act in the best interests of the People.
18% approval of Congress, ya know.
Democrats/Republicans – Throw em all out in 2008!
KFG. I’M HERE!
Anyplace with a lesbian or two is good to hang out, especially if I let my mouth outrun my whoop-ass!
“HEY BOY, ever had yore ass kicked by a lesbian?”
Get ‘em girls!
SD,
I hear you. Was about to post on that then thought better of it ;->
heheheheheheh Tracy….
“And where is khan? He’s usually all over these “gay” threads….
And Ksgolfnutz? He’s ALSO usually all over these “gay” threads…”
Aren’t they the same person?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII. This is Funny and sad at the same time.
Tracy, Superiority isn’t a sexual thing, merely a female thing.
lindain, I know.My superior life partner reminds me regularly.
Okay, enough hanging out here.Starting to smell burnt wingnuts.Yuck.
TP,
Bad link. Re-post?
Hank Price,
Quite an eclipse, no? Really something to see a smoky, reddish moon on the western horizon.
Tom and ksfarmgrrl,
“Homo emeritus.” Y’all crack CF2K up, ah tell you wuuht…
As for Senator Craig (!), well, what can you say, his “wide stance” being the culprit in this unfortunate misunderstanding between him and the undercover officer being solicited for sex.
Say what you will. But at least Senator Craig comes by his “wide stance” honestly.
And his whole denial thing is HEEELARIOUS. It’s like when guys end up in the emergency room with things caught in…certain anatomical places, and they concoct the most elaborate and improbable stories possible. “Honestly, I don’t know HOW the shampoo bottle ended up stuck in there; I must have slipped in the shower” etc.
GOP = Grand Old Perverts
OOOH Max…now that’s funny. See, it costs more to eat healthy too, but I guess you forgot to mention that. A small box of splenda costs about 10x’s or more the price of sugar per weight.
And canned veggies are cheap, but offer no real nutritional content and usually loaded with salt. I was just saying, Southern food tastes better. I’m not advocating eating it all the time.
To the idiots that can’t understand that US foreign policy caused 9/11 and call people who can ‘Blame America First”ers. From the horse’ sown mouth…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0
Hey CF2K,
Yep, it was definitely worth getting up for.
I’m pretty fortunate in that I can usually set a time to wake up in my mind at bedtime. Last night I thought 4am would work and went to sleep.
When I woke up this morning Boo Bear kept me awake long enough I was able to remember why I woke up.
Went out in the front yard and set up our telescope then went in and woke Joyce up. It was pretty fantastic with the naked eye though.
Thought about going over to Afton Observatory, it’s only two miles from the house, but that would require pants.
You see, I’m a closet astronomer!
Hank
Some answers on Clinton/bin laden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuH1xwLUnbg
The latest dispatch from Michael Totten. FYI.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/
“Steven, I heard a letter read last night on “The Cafferty File” from Steven in Kansas.
“Sure sounded like you!”
Wasn’t me, but I think I would like to take credit.
What is “the Cafferty File”? Please let me know, Tracy, if you are still around.
“From the horse’ sown mouth…”
Sol,Don’t know about that video. I am usually sympathetic to the viewpoint you talk about up-thread, but I am troubled by the comparison of the 9/11 attacks with a ewe’s head-butting a wolf. Somehow, I don’t think OBL is exactly an unbiased source on this subject. I think him having to go to such lengths to explain his actions is maybe a hopeful sign that there are rational actors in the Muslim world.
SD,I think the video is pretty old circa 2001 – shortly after 9/11. There is a better one that points the finger a little more directly. I’ll see if I can find it.
Long and short, we’ve had our fingers in the mid-east for far too long. Can anyone really be surprised when they fight back?
Do I detect some Gay bashing amongst the Libs here?
Posted by: Kansas | August 28, 2007 at 02:09 AM
Exactly right, XXX.
It’s not gay-bashing to point out blatant hypocrisy. Attacking gays for political gain while at the same time engaging in illegal gay sex.
That’s RepubliCONs in a nutshell.
If they could just be honest and come out of the closet, they might not need to repress and pervert themselves like Jim Webb and so many others . . .
Ok, all you Republican toe tappers out there, reveal yourselves!
What happens when Bush regulators don’t do their jobs? What happens when the RepubliCONs write laws to make predatory loans easier?
Just look and see:
APHome Prices: Steepest Drop in 20 Years
Tuesday August 28, 9:58 am ETBy Vinnee Tong, AP Business Writer
S&P Says Housing Prices Fell in 2Q by Steepest Rate Since Its Index Was Started in 1987
NEW YORK (AP) — U.S. home prices fell 3.2 percent in the second quarter, the steepest rate of decline since Standard & Poor’s began its nationwide housing index in 1987, the research group said Tuesday.
The decline in home prices around the nation shows no evidence of a market recovery anytime soon, one of the architects of the index said.
MacroMarkets LLC Chief Economist Robert Shiller said the declining residential real estate market “shows no signs of slowing down.”
The report came a day after the National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes dropped for a fifth straight month in July while the number of unsold homes shot up to a record level.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070828/home_price_index.html?.v=5
Where are the home prices in Wichita going? Are they follow the National Trend?
Bankruptcies Reach Record HighAs the Economy Slumps, Bankruptcies Reach Record Highs By Catherine ValentiAug. 15Font SizeE-mailPrintShare Susan Laskowski is one of a growing number of Americans who have declared bankruptcy.
Laskowski, a teacher who lives in Santa Fe, N.M., decided to declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy last October after racking up $80,000 on credit cards she used to help pay for moving costs, living expenses and doctor bills over the previous 12 years.
Top Money storiesU.S. Poverty Rate Declines SignificantlyHouse prices suffer worst fall since 1987: indexTwo Years Later: Katrina’s Economic ImpactRelated TopicsElizabeth Warren American Bankruptcy Institute SenateNow almost a year later, Laskowski is back on her feet, making a salary of $48,000. She has just one Mastercard bill she says she uses in emergencies, two outstanding store loans that she did not claim in her bankruptcy, and a car and a house payment.
“I’m generally a responsible person,” she says. “But I just got in over my head.”
And she’s not alone. The total number of bankruptcies in the year ended June 30 hit over 1.5 million — the largest number of cases ever filed in any 12-month period and the first time they have ever totaled more than 1.5 million, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, which handles federal bankruptcy filings.
Of that total, some 1.47 million were personal bankruptcies, up 8.6 percent from the same period the previous year.
Bankruptcy experts say the jump in bankruptcies is not a shock given the slumping economy, rising unemployment and lackluster stock market, along with a steadily increasing diet of debt indulged in by many Americans.
“I’m not surprised,” says Elizabeth Warren, a professor of law at Harvard Law School who specializes in bankruptcy. “For many Americans, these are uncertain economic times.”
No Assets, No Payments
The record bankruptcy levels come at a time when the government is considering controversial new laws making it more difficult for consumers to file for bankruptcy.
When Congress convenes in September, it is expected to consider a bill that among other provisions would impose a means test on debtors and possibly require them to pay back some or all of their debts if their income met a certain level, effectively forcing them from Chapter 7 into Chapter 13 bankruptcy.
Republicans had a clear vision when they tightened the screws on filing personal bankruptcies.
“OOOH Max…now that’s funny. See, it costs more to eat healthy too, but I guess you forgot to mention that. A small box of splenda costs about 10x’s or more the price of sugar per weight.”
Posted by: political_mom | August 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Mom, don’t where you are shopping or who taught you to shop, but I’ve been on a grocery budget for years.
It costs more to buy boxed sugar-laden foods, frozen dinners, junk food, then to buy economical priced real food – that you might have to actually cook vs use a can opener and a microwave.
Potato Chips – $2.995 lbs Potatos – $1.99
Candy bars, ice cream, other junk food – $15
Sugar – 5lbs $2.49Flour – 5 lbs $2.49Oatmeal – Big Can $2.99Homemade cookies – priceless
Lean Ham – $1.99 lbHamburger – $2.99 lb
Super Sugar Crips – $3.99/boxBran flakes – $1.99/box
Skim Milk – $3.25Whole Milk – $4.25
Head of lettuce(iceberg) – $.99Garden lettuce home grown – $0.10Carrots – $0.99/lb
Apples – $0.99/lb to $1.49/lb
Oranges – $1.49/lb
Bananas – $1.49/bunch
Dried beans – $1.99 2 lb bagCanned beans – $1.19 12 oz can
Pop – $2/2 litersWater – pennies
Beer – $6/six packWater – pennies
Cigarettes – $5/packAir – free
http://www.ncpad.org/nutrition/fact_sheet.php?sheet=395
Yup, we need more Federal Laws because even though EVERY law is being enforced today, bad companies are still fooling the suckers out there.
Bigger Government.
More Control.
Higher Costs.
Less Freedom.
Idiots must be protected from themselves.
Big Brother
“but then why would he need to marry a man, he was already married to a woman!Do you think he and Barney Frank will make some diner plans?
Posted by: writerdog | August 28, 2007 at 02:48 AM ”
I guess now we know why he felt that hetero marriages had to be ‘protected’ by not allowing homosexual marriages.
Bigger Government.
More Control.
Higher Costs.
Less Freedom.
Idiots must be protected from themselves.
Big Brother
Posted by Max
Sounds like Republican leadership.
I think thems some idiots who claim regular hamburger is more expensive than lean, and skim is cheaper than regular milk. What planet do they live on?
Have you priced a ham nowadays? 25 bucks for a ham is insanity. And I’m not talking that ham product crap. Or a roast? Flipping brisket wasnearly 30 bucks.
A lb of veggies isn’t going to fill you up very fast at all. You’re right on the beans, they’re cheap. But who wants to live on beans all the time? In order to cook beans so they taste halfway decent, you should cook them with hamhocks. Those are running 5 bucks (yes, five bucks for pig bones). But alas, when I DO decide to break down and buy a real ham, I do save the bone for ham & beans. The fatty foods are cheaper.
Max, have you ever actually step foot inside a grocery store?
You remind me a lot of golf…interesting.
by the way Max, I don’t buy frozen anything except those .99 cent pizzas. Too expensive. I do buy the Malt O meal cereals.
“What happens when Bush regulators don’t do their jobs?”
Sorry, Capn, but “Bush regulators” is a contradiction in terms. Bush “regulation” is “no regulation” and that hands off approach seems to have contributed to the stock market problems we’ve recently seen.
Hud,The Wichita housing market never followed national trends that I know of – Our prices have been relatively low compared to large population areas in other parts of the country. So, though I have been looking at housing prices here recently, my guess is that they are relatively unchanged by the national market forces.
In Canada, universities are taking pro-abortion positions, endorsing pro-abortion politics, and denying pro-life student groups official recognition for advertising and meeting on campus. So much for academic freedom in Canada, eh?- – -
In Italy, a 38-year-old mother of twin brothers of 18 weeks gestation wanted the twin with Down Syndrome killed by abortion. In the botched late-term abortion, the other twin was killed. Determined to show her contempt for human life, the mother also had the second twin killed by abortion, then reported the San Paolo hospital staff for investigation, for robbing her of her wanted baby.Italy kills about 138,000 babies by abortion each year, up until 24 weeks gestation, past viability.- – -
A McDonald’s employee, age 20, gave birth to a baby boy in the restaurant’s bathroom in Kansas City, MO Monday afternoon and tried to flush the baby down the toilet. An ambulance crew rescued and resuscitated the baby, who was face down in the toilet, with no pulse and not breathing. The baby and mother were taken to separate hospitals. The baby was reported in critical but stable condition.- – -
A newborn girl abandoned in an alley in Santa Maria, CA was rescued alive, and found to be in good health at Marian hospital.- – -
A woman, 28, thought to be the mother of an abandoned newborn found dead in a garbage bin Sunday in Livonia, MI, and her boyfriend, 29, were arrested Sunday in connection with the baby’s death. Autopsy results from the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office ruled the baby, who was less than a day old, was strangled.- – -
Legalized abortion leads inevitably to such atrocities, where human life is treated as property of little worth, even to the mind-hardened strangling murder of a day-old infant.
Well, I’m not really sure how this thread is going, but it is a lot cheaper to eat healthy than not.
Joyce and I eat very healthy and we do it quite economically. We buy very few ‘prepared foods’. We are fortunate in that we have a large pantry with two freezers and another refrigerator. We take advantage of sales and we buy a lot in bulk.
We get our beef from Turkey Foot Ranch near Winfield. It’s a little more expensive than most beef that you can buy but it’s a lot healthier. It is raised on natural turkey foot grasses and contains no added crap. Still cheaper than beef in the store.
I take advantage of the ‘bargain bins’ in the local stores. Last week we got two meals from a corned beef that I paid less than $5.00 for, a head of cabbage and some new potatoes that we bought from a veggie stand on MacArthur Rd on the way home. Two wonderful suppers for less than $4.00 a piece!
Hank
McAbortion
That’ll be a #2
Partial Birth Abortion please, hold the fries.
Had to go in for a follow up at the doc’s.
He asked me if it hurt when he pressed around the surgical site.
But you know that one scene from the Exorcist?
I’ll just leave it at that…
And for a refreshing change of pace, Parkay is bloviating about, wait for it…abortion! There’s something comforting about his inability to change the subject…
This may explain why we ave the lowest crime and murder rate in the world!!! LOL!
“The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world’s 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.”Reuters
Infection Kansas? I hope not. That’s what nearly killed me after my surgery.
Poverty and obesity often go hand in hand, doctors say, because poor families stretch their budgets by buying cheaper, processed foods that have higher fat content and lower nutritional value.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294873,00.html
You’re right Max, under Repubs the poor are being fed to death!!
No infection PMom, but thanks for asking.
It was around the thoracic/lumbar spinal area and the Doc said it’s good that I was that reactive to the test. Good for him, bad for me (pain wise)
I have more than the usual amount of horse pills to swallow though, so I guess it keeps the infection and swelling down.
Hank..did you realize that you contradicted yourself. You first said the beef was more expensive than what you buy at the store, then said it was cheaper.
And 4.00 per person isn’t cheap. For a family of four, 3 meals/day…that’s 48 dollars per day. I sure can’t afford that.
IN a month, your grocery bill would be nearly 1500 dollars.
Parkay, so your solution to these unwanted babies…is to create even more unwanted babies and putting them into the hands of women who 1. didn’t want them in the first place and 2. Might kill them after they’re born?? And you still oppose contraception.
How does your mind work anyway?
By the way, at least here in America, the mother of the twins, she would have had to know that the loss of her other child was a possibility. It’s called informed consent.
Hey, Max, another buying opportunity in the stock markets today!
political_mom,There are no unwanted babies. There is no shortage of decent married couples waiting to adopt babies, including those with birth defects.By the way, informed consent is routinely not applicable in America’s abortion mills. And Planned Parenthood reported ZERO referrals for adoption last year, although Kansas law requires counseling for adoption and other alternatives for minors.Go get that Overland Park abortion mill for violations, DA Kline.
Should there be another “Truman Committee” established?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/28/dod.contractors/index.html
Parkay, so your solution to these unwanted babies…is to create even more unwanted babies and putting them into the hands of women who 1. didn’t want them in the first place and 2. Might kill them after they’re born?? And you still oppose contraception.
Posted by: political_mom | August 28, 2007 at 02:38 PM
Why not allow abortion up to age 2? That gives the parent or parents the ability to “try out” the child to see if they like it or not.
And if not, then by age 2 you eliminate the problem and also increase the food supply for welfare recipients at the same time – or you provide a supply for stem cell research – and the parents can make money from selling their baby to science!
Afterall, if PB Abortion is ok, then what’s wrong with waiting just a little longer?
KS,
In your case, I say we make it (x) number of months times your age in years, plus a few months for good measure.
Starting to wonder if those missing weapons weren’t sold on the black market in Iraq.
SAT scores down, ACT scores up slightly.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/BacktoSchool/wireStory?id=3532138
Hey political_mom,
Sorry for the confusion. I meant that when I buy a side of beef from Turkey Foot ranch it’s more expensive than anyplace else that I can buy a side of beef from.
That being said, it’s still cheaper than buying beef in single cuts in the store. Also, it’s leaner and healthier.
$4.00 a meal. I got a corned beef for less than $5.00. I got a head of cabbage for about a $1.50. I got a bag of taters at the help yourself roadside veggie stand for $2.00. Total price of my corned beef and cabbage feast. . . .<$8.00. We had it for supper last Thursday. Then after working in the yard on Saturday we made a meal out of the left overs. Two meals for less than $4.00 each. Joyce and I had two meals for less than $2.00 per person.
Breakfast, homemade biscuits. . .almost free. Eggs, three over easy $.30. Bacon, get it on sale in the bargain bin for less than $2.00 a pound, we get two breakfasts from it at less than $.50 per person. Homemade sandplum jelly. . .PRICELESS!
Breakfast, good, nutricious and less than $1.00 each.
Hank
Homemade sandplum jelly. . .PRICELESS!
Oh, yeah, Hank.
Joyce cans as a hobby. Her and the neighbor lady get together several times a year on the weekend and start putting up pickles, jellies and jams, pears and apples from our trees.
Who knows how much a quart of home canned peaches really costs, but then when you are putting your homemade vanilla icecream on a peach cobbler who in the hell cares?
Hank
Illinois School District 126, covering Alsip, Hazelgreen and Oak Lawn, has defended its choice to assign summer reading to 12- and 13-year-olds that is replete with harsh profanity and references to teen sex (even teen sex with adults). Complaints from parents are ignored.Meanwhile, reading skills among U.S. students graduating from high school this year fell to the lowest since 1994 as measured by the most widely taken college-entrance exam.One of the big questions is, are schoolchildren being assigned vulgar third-grade-level inner-city garbage to read because they are too stupid to comprehend classic books any more, or are schoolchildren stupid because they are getting vulgar inner-city garbage in their assigned reading lists, instead of classic books?
Pat Buchanan’s thoughts on the ideological battle underway, and how if we “win”, we might “lose”. Interesting read.
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_08_27/buchanan.html
nice maragrine man…………….do you have evidence this actually occurred or is this another lie you read on worldnet?
Huckleberry Finn is probably banned in those same schools that force kids to read sex manuals.
Dow Jones
Feb 2001 Bush has just taken office:
10,128
Aug 2007 Six years of worst. president. ever.
13,034
Return: 28.7 percent over 5.75 years or less than FIVE PERCENT A year.
Wow. Invest in a bank CD and do better than Bush’s stock market.
“There are no unwanted babies. There is no shortage of decent married couples waiting to adopt babies, including those with birth defects.”
That seems like a horsecrap propaganda statement if I have ever heard one. Can you provide any stats to back that up? Other than a reference to someone writing it on one of your baby-killer websites…
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/aug/07082803.htmlI will reference Parkay’s material since it won’t.
The only book name mentioned in the article is “Fat Kid” which presumable references “Fat Kid Rules the World”.http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=0142402087
“Buddy finds home on tree farmBY TIM POTTERThe Wichita Eagle
Mike Hutmacher/The Wichita EagleSusan and Bob Grelinger adopted Buddy from the Kansas Humane Society after seeing a story in the Sunday Wichita Eagle.”
I called about the dog yesterday and left our number and told them that if nobody in Wichita wanted Buddy, we would like to have him. I am glad somebody there took him and saved him from death. If nobody had, I was prepared to do a long distance adoption and have my sister in Wichita get a kennel and ship him via Airtran to us in Atlanta. One of our dogs dies last winter and we have been planning to go to our shelter here and get another dog but when I saw Buddy I told my wife that we just cannot let him die in the shelter.
Kev,I don’t think shipping dogs to Atlanta will be allowed for awhile.
margarine man……………you really should get a more reliable source before you post you RW, taliban garbage on the blog. The article is full of blantant LIES.
“The Agenda is pushed and the curriculum set by leftist groups like the National Education Association (NEA), the ACLU and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). Even the American Library Association (ALA) gave Fat Kids its “Michael L. Printz Award for Excellence in Young Adult Literature.” The book also received a rave review from America’s largest homosexual activist literary organization, Lambda Literary Foundation.”
I don’t know about any organization cited except for the NEA and I am ABSOLUTELY positive that the NEA supports no agenda as this article states.
This is just another piece of Goebbel’s inspired, christian taliban propaganda.
“Don’t worry Steve, Conservatives are not declining in numbers.
Republicans just don’t represent conservatives anymore.
And I wonder if liberals really think the Democrats represent you?
1/2 of America doesn’t care or gave-up, and doesn’t vote. The other 1/2 is still trying to find a representative that will listen to People and act in the best interests of the People.”
Actually the conservatives ARE declining in number and have been for awhile which is why the Republicans have really tried to NOT represent them. Conservatives are largely white Protestant hetrosexual males which is one of the fastest declining populations in the country. The future of America is brown, black and female and the Republicans know this which is why they are trying to snug up to Hispanics on immigration. They saw their chances to ever carry California again go down the drain thanks to Pete Wilson’s Mexican bashing there. They are scared to death that Texas, Arizona and New Mexico are close to tipping too. The conservatives kept the Republicans from doing immigration amnesty for now but you can bet they are planning to come back next year and try again.
Hank, I’m waaaaaay jealous of your sand plum jelly. No sand plums out here this year. :(
“Kev,I don’t think shipping dogs to Atlanta will be allowed for awhile.”
I get it BUT Michael Vick’s dogs were in Virgina. See: http://www.badnewzkennels.com
Big Source of Clinton’s CashIs an Unlikely Address
Family’s DonationsClosely Track ThoseOf Top Fund-Raiser
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news
This is the inevitable conclusion to Bushs’ Big Adventure in Iraq.Iran ready to fill any vacuum in Iraq By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 28 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad boldly declared Tuesday that U.S. political influence in Iraq is “collapsing rapidly” and said his government is ready to help fill any power vacuum.
ADVERTISEMENTThe hard-line leader also defended Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a fellow Shiite Muslim who has been harshly criticized by American politicians for his unsuccessful efforts to reconcile Iraq’s Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.
“The political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly,” Ahmadinejad said at a news conference, referring to U.S. troops in Iraq. “Soon, we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course, we are prepared to fill the gap, with the help of neighbors and regional friends like Saudi Arabia, and with the help of the Iraqi nation.”
Ahmadinejad did not elaborate on his remarks, an unusual declaration of Iran’s interest in influencing its neighbor’s future. The mention of a Saudi role appeared aimed at allaying the fears of Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Muslim nations that Iran wants to dominate in Iraq. Even though Saudi Arabia and Iran have not cooperated in the past, it “doesn’t mean it can’t happen,” Ahmadinejad said.
Iran fought a brutal eight-year war with Saddam Hussein’s regime and welcomed the elimination of a deeply hated enemy. But Iran also strongly objects to the presence of America, another rival, over its eastern and western borders in Afghanistan and Iraq.
“Occupation is the root of all problems in Iraq,” Ahmadinejad said. “It has become clear that occupiers are not able to resolve regional issues.”
President Bush defended the Iraq war in a speech at the American Legion’s national convention and accused Iran of violating human rights and trying to destabilize Iraq, Afghanistan and the wider region.
“Iran is sending arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan to be used to attack American and NATO troops,” Bush said. “Iran has arrested visiting American scholars who have committed no crimes and impose no threat to their regime. And Iran’s active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust. Iran’s actions threaten the security of nations everywhere.”
Bush and the U.S. ambassador in Iraq have given blunt assessments of political stagnation in Baghdad, and Bush has said it is up to the Iraqi people to decide if their government deserved to be replaced.
But key Democratic politicians, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, have called for al-Maliki to be replaced because his Shiite-dominated government has been unable to forge national unity.
Al-Maliki has shrugged off the gloomy assessments of Iraq’s future, saying he would “pay no attention” to American critics and if necessary “find friends elsewhere.”
“They rudely say (the Iraqi) prime minister and the constitution must change,” Ahmadinejad said of U.S. critics. “Who are you? Who has given you the right” to ask for such a change, he added.
Ousting al-Maliki, a longtime Shiite political activist, would require a majority vote in the 275-member Iraqi parliament. As long as the Kurdish parties and the main Shiite bloc back al-Maliki, his opponents lack the votes for that.
In a move that could further strain U.S.-Iranian relations, U.S. troops raided a Baghdad hotel Tuesday night and detained about 10 people, including six whom a U.S.-funded radio station described as members of an Iranian delegation visiting to negotiate contracts with the Iraqis.
The Iranian Embassy said seven Iranians — an embassy employee and six members of a delegation from Iran’s Electricity Ministry — were staying at the Sheraton Ishtar Hotel.
Iran has been vehemently protesting the detention of five Iranians by U.S. troops in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil in January. U.S. authorities have said the five included the operations chief and other members of Iran’s elite Quds Force, which is accused of arming and training Iraqi militants.
Iran describes the five, who remain in U.S. custody, as diplomats.
Thanks, HUD.
I hope this knocks Hillary out of the race.
Kind of stupid if you ask this vet, but passing it on.
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag.
Current law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not in uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying whether they can or should salute the flag.
“The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one’s military service,” Senator Inhofe said. “Veterans and service members continue representing the military services even when not in uniform.
“Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation, allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they are in uniform or not. “I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to others.”
This Bill was passed July 25, 2007. Let your veteran friends know about the Passage of this Bill.
“”"”WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag.”"”"
Please explain this: If I, an honourably discharged veteran of the United States Armed Forces, go to a Braves game tomorrow and stand up and salute the flag of the United States of America, I am committing a fugging CRIME? Will I be arrested and carted off by the Atlanta Police? What will I be charged with? How much time will I serve for my crime? Now if I go out and wipe my ass on the flag of the United States of America and burn it, that is free speech right? But if I merely salute it, I am a criminal?? Yeah, I want to see that one enforced!
“But key Democratic politicians, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, have called for al-Maliki to be replaced because his Shiite-dominated government has been unable to forge national unity.
Al-Maliki has shrugged off the gloomy assessments of Iraq’s future, saying he would “pay no attention” to American critics and if necessary “find friends elsewhere.”"”"
It is not Hillary’s business nor any other American’s business to tell the Iraqis whom they should be led by or how they should run their country. We are there to support them and not to tell them what to do and how to govern. If we start doing that, the welcome mat will be pulled fast.
“”"Bush and the U.S. ambassador in Iraq have given blunt assessments of political stagnation in Baghdad, and Bush has said it is up to the Iraqi people to decide if their government deserved to be replaced.”"”"
Lord help me. I cannot believe I am actually agreeing with Bush on something!
Yeah, I want to see that one enforced!
Posted by: Kev
Personally, I’d rather blend in with the other pot-bellied old men holding a beer in my left hand, while covering my heart with the other.
I’m certainly not going to go “card” a saluting patron to see his military ID card, or a certified copy of his/her DD214.
Kinda stupid. But with all the uproar over over Vet’s (well deserved), sometimes common sense goes out the window.
I want Hillary Clinton to be our next President.
I need free healthcare.
You people are so mean.
Hillary cares about African Americans like no other candidate out there today.
Hillary’s health care plan is what American needs. If we need to raise taxes on the rich to make this happen, then they can afford it.
And we need to pull our troops out of Iraq immediately.
We need to protect our environment and stop global warming.
We need to conserve energy and not use so much, so we are not needing the oil from the mideast.
Hillary has the perfect plan to do all of these things, and she will have Bill to help her.
And we have to stop crime and take all of the guns away.
Hillary will make that happen too.
We have too much violence in America caused by guns.
Get rid of the guns and crime will go down.
“Personally, I’d rather blend in with the other pot-bellied old men holding a beer in my left hand, while covering my heart with the other.
I’m certainly not going to go “card” a saluting patron to see his military ID card, or a certified copy of his/her DD214.”
You know these people that are “flag purist” piss me off almost as much as the flag burners. I actually had a neighbour once tell me that “you know you are supposed to take your flag down at night unless you light it” to which I replied that it gets plenty of light from the street light and “obviously you didn’t have any problem seeing it”. But I really wanted to say “mind you own GD business asshole” but you try to be a bit nice to the neighbours. I suppose if I went out there every night and took it down, the flag purist would come over and watch me fold it and, if not in a perfect triangle, he’d say something about that too. I was glad when that asshole and his wife moved!
flag purist would come over and watch me fold it and, if not in a perfect triangle, he’d say something about that too.Posted by: Kev
Sorry Kev, I agree with your neighbor, but maybe not his approach. Flag etiquette is pretty important to me. I’ll stand and fight for someone’s right to burn it, but I would only do so in a private ceremony.
It means something special to me.
I have called people on their flag being torn or raggedy. And I also advise on the simple and cheap outdoor lighting you can get to keep it lit at night. A pain to mow around, but better than the dawn and dusk drill.
I hope that doesn’t label me a nut.
My goodness, it looks like we have TWO gay threads on here today.
How interesting.
Ah Hank, sandplum jelly.
There was a row of sandplum bushes on the eastern fence line of my grandfather’s farm. Occasionally, my grandmother would send us out with several pails to out and pick sand plums. She would say to always leave some for the neighbors as the bushes were wild and everyone need to get to pick some.
It was delicious jelly and along with some fresh sourdough biscuits and homemade butter, it was fabulous!
Gee, I go out of town for a couple of days, and when I get back, I find two threads of great concern for the gay community.
And I see the same old/same old of those against gay people. I have been on a retreat about the great necessity for people in all walks of life, and religion, and politics, to return to seeing Human Beings, rather than ideologies and “programs”.
I wish many of you could have been there. It was indeed eye-opening.
People who complain about how the flag is flown, will see fewer flags being flown and then bitch about that too.
I don’t fly my flag for that reason.
It sits in my closet. And it’s not folded correctly either.
Hi PMom!! Good to see you again!
Good night… Good luck… And God Bless, whatever you conceive God to be!!
you too Chas, welcome back
The Clinton blunders:Blunder One: William Jefferson Clinton’s Failure to Settle the Paula Jones Lawsuit. This blunder defies logic. The President is a lawyer. He retained the finest legal minds in civil litigation. They all should have been aware of the types of evidence plaintiffs in sexual harassment lawsuits are allowed to pursue in discovery. Any skilled negotiator will tell you that if you are holding a bad hand, you settle, and settle quickly before anyone sees your worst cards. President Clinton knew he held the Monica Lewinsky card in his hand. It has been publicly acknowledged that President Clinton suspected she would not keep their “inappropriate conduct” secret, despite her assurances to the contrary. Of course, his attorneys didn’t know specifically about the Lewinsky card, but we have to believe they cautioned him that if there was anything like the Lewinsky affair lurking in his background, he would be vulnerable. So was it stupidity, negligence, or astonishing arrogance and over-confidence that caused William Jefferson Clinton to go forward with the defense of the Paula Jones lawsuit?Blunder Two: Failure of William Jefferson Clinton to Deliver a Sincere, Effective Mea Culpa Speech. His initial “confession” speech seemed almost calculated to infuriate. The speech was a petulant, begrudging admission. He admitted to some vague wrongdoing while attacking the people who had discovered his transgressions, as if they were to blame for his conduct. His words were clearly chosen to avoid accepting full responsibility, crafted carefully with legalese and hair-splitting. His attitude begged for a fight. And the partisan House Republicans, bruised by years of battles with Clinton, and Democrats across the aisle, did not need a lot of encouragement to pursue the unrepentant President vigorously.Blunder Three: The Mishandling of the “Starr Referral” by the House Judiciary Committee (Particularly the No-Witnesses Decision). The Republicans should have paid much closer attention to the precedents set by the Rodino committee, which brought impeachment articles against Richard Nixon in 1974. The Rodino committee examined the evidence carefully and directly, behind closed doors. This occurred over an extended period of time, which assured that the committee would avoid rash decisions. If the Hyde committee had followed the same procedure, they would have either developed a stronger case against the President, or would have determined that there were serious problems with both the facts, and whether the allegations were really impeachable offenses. Then, they could have abandoned the process before egos had been invested in it. By creating an immediate public spectacle, they guaranteed that committee members would dig in their heels and take inflexible positions before becoming familiar with all the facts. Face-saving then became one of the most important considerations driving the entire process.The mostly unfavorable public reaction to the “Starr referral” also drove Henry Hyde into a terrible decision—limiting the time the House Judiciary Committee would spend on the matter.This led to the no-witnesses decision. Hyde was clearly influenced to rush his committee’s work because of the public’s distaste for the case. When the Rodino committee first took up the Watergate case, and related matters, public opinion was split. Many sincerely felt that a partisan Democratic Congress was manufacturing a scandal out of a “third-rate burglary.” If the Watergate case had been dumped on the public the way the Clinton impeachment case was, would the outcome have been different? The process certainly would have been—members of Congress would have rushed to politics over statesmanship, and partisanship over solemn cooperation.The Republicans argued that they had evidence already gathered by the independent counsel. The Rodino committee could have relied on evidence gathered in the Senate Watergate hearings. But the Rodino committee correctly did their own work. The Hyde committee did the equivalent of copying an encyclopedia article and turning it in as their own term paper. Were they in a rush to deal with the “Starr Referral” before the new Congress took office in 1999? If this is true, then have proven themselves to be the vindictive partisans their opponents have accused them of being.I suspect that even Kenneth Starr expected the House to do their own work. I do not believe he will merit a lot of blame from historians for the impeachment fiasco. The law that created his office will receive considerable blame, and we can expect to see that law changed expeditiously. But the independent counsel should have been no more than a catalyst—his work should not have turned into the only direct evidence the House would rely on to vote the matter into Senate consideration.Blunder Four: Congress’s Failure to Understand Fully its Constitutional Role. The impeachment section of the Constitution was clearly intended as one of the famous “checks and balances” built in to the Constitution. Congress has the same powers of impeachment and removal over the Judicial Branch. The idea was to protect the citizens of the United State from a President who has become so corrupt that he endangers the function of government in a free society. “Punishment” is not the role of the Congress. Congress’s only Constitutional role as “punishers” is clearly defined in Section Five of Article One, and that role is limited to punishing their own members. Otherwise, their sole Constitutional role is to impeach and remove, or not to impeach and remove. In fact, the way our government is set up, the Legislative branch is the only one of the three branches that has no direct role in the punishment of United States citizens. But the “punishment” red herring had Democratic House members trying to draft and consider censure resolutions, and Senators flirting with such strange concepts as “findings of fact” and their own versions of censure. “Blunder Two,” President Clinton’s failure to take responsibility or show remorse, contributed to this mistake by causing members of Congress to feel they had to let him know he had committed some serious wrongs. But punishment is up to the Executive and Judicial branches, and they may yet have business with William Jefferson Clinton.Blunder Five: Failure to See the Applicable Lessons from the Johnson Impeachment. The United States of 1868 seems totally alien to the present day. But history will record that there was one common bond between these impeachments—rabid partisanship. The United States of 1868 had just completed a cataclysmic Civil War. In 1864, Abraham Lincoln was so conscious ofnational unity that he chose a border-state Democrat as his running mate, and they ran as a Union ticket, not a Republican ticket. He was obviously sensitive to avoiding partisanship and regionalism. With victory in hand in 1868, the Republicans now controlled all the mechanisms of government, except the Presidency.William Jefferson Clinton is the first post Cold War President. Partisanship lines have grown sharper and harsher. Now that the United States has lost its adversary of the last fifty years, the need for unity at home may seem diminished. Could it be that without the Communist/Soviet Union threat, we have people turning their energies against each other, as they reach for power in the absence of a common enemy? And is this what they have in common with their post Civil War historical colleagues? This could turn out to be the least evident, but the most substantial blunder of the group, because the American people will grow tired of petty partisanship, and naked grabs for power at the expense of effectiveness and fairness. This will lead to more third party runs, more Jesse Venturas, maybe even at the national level, if the current partisanship rages on.So President Clinton has avoided becoming the first President to be removed as a result of the impeachment provisions in the Constitution. And, this was the correct judgement under the circumstances. History will vindicate the final result. But the impeachment process fiasco will forever exist as an example of how government is made up of individuals, and individuals even at these levels of power, are capable of multiple incompetent blunders. And you want Hillary?
Old news Jerald… And so your point is???
And the fact that Monica Lewinsky kept a semen soaked dress under her bed for how long?? suggests nothing in terms of a planned ambush of the President?? Yea, sure, right… And there is this bridge in the Sahara that needs a buyer, too!! LOL
Fortunately, for the state of New York, Hillary Clinton’s political instincts don’t match her reputed intellect. If she continues to blunder, that state (and the nation) may be spared her elevation to the Senate.
Hillary’s repeated mistakes expose her as a brazen opportunist concerned not with New York but with finally building her own resume in the twilight of her productive years.
When the First Lady was preaching from her White House soapbox, she advocated the creation of a Palestinian state. Never mind that this gratuitous policy pronouncement was at variance with the First Husband’s official position concerning Israel.
But shortly after launching her unannounced Senate campaign, she immediately reversed herself by declaring Jerusalem “the eternal and indivisible capital of Israel.” In this transparent move to pander to the N.Y. Jewish constituency, she didn’t even bother to acknowledge, much less reconcile, her prior inconsistent statement.
Then the Terrorist-Pardoner in Chief granted clemency to 16 Puerto Rican terrorists over the vehement objections of all law enforcement agencies and the emphatic condemnation of both houses of Congress. Such an outrageous abuse of presidential authority cannot reasonably be explained, apart from Bill’s effort to enhance his wife’s standing with the N.Y. Hispanic voters.
Hillary, it should be noted, publicly supported her husband’s decision to pardon the unrepentant anarchists. But as soon as it became apparent that the move had backfired, Hillary switched gears again.
She made a public statement asking the president to withdraw his offer of clemency — instead of just going into the other room and talking it over with him. That is, if you believe their insulting joint denial that they had colluded on the matter. With her about-face she not only alienated N.Y. Puerto Ricans, but also seriously offended certain N.Y. leaders by failing to consult with them before announcing her turnaround. N.Y. Rep. Jose Serrano said that another such misstep could be fatal for Hillary’s campaign.
Hillary is also coming under fire from Democrats for relying exclusively on her small cadre of advisors and ignoring the leadership of the party structure. Said N.Y. Congressman Charles Rangel, “Nobody is so good they can make decisions by relying on one or two people and without communication with the leadership of the party.”
Being an equal-opportunity offender, Mrs. Clinton has also managed to alienate the N.Y. African-American community. It seems that she has been unwilling to make herself available for a meeting with black community leaders of New York City.
In addition to her policy gaffes, the Clinton’s home purchase in Chappaqua with the support of Democratic fund-raiser Terry McAuliffe, has drawn Hillary heavy fire on ethical grounds. And her flagrant abuse of public funds to subsidize campaign air travel convinced 46 Democrats to join 215 Republicans in voting to make her fully reimburse those expenditures.
The all-knowing Mrs. Clinton even unwittingly provided some comic relief this week by demonstrating her intimate concern for NYC’s mosquito problem. She was responding to a question about lobbying her husband for federal funds for the city’s mosquito-killing campaign. “I have been concerned about malaria for many years,” said Hillary, revealing that she was painfully unaware that encephalitis, not malaria, is the problem.
Let’s also not forget Hillary’s foray into psychoanalysis when she blamed her husband’s serial philandering on his being whipsawed between two battle-axes in his formative years.
Finally, in her Senate campaign, Mrs. Clinton is in the process of resurrecting the issue that led to the plummeting of her approval ratings in the past, universal health care. Happily for Republicans, Hillary subordinates even her political opportunism to her uncompromising socialistic passions.
So what’s the net result of all this? A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows that 40 percent of Americans now have a negative view of Hillary, up from 25 percent at the start of the year.
Hillary should have listened to those of us who tried to tell her that she could only remain popular if she clings to her victim-status. When she delves into the policy-arena, whether from her Pennsylvania Avenue pulpit or as a senatorial candidate, she forfeits all sympathy lavishly bestowed on her by an anachronistic press still romanticizing the virtues of Marxism.
Exit this campaign Hillary, while your First Victimhood is still salvageable.
Wake up you dummycrates !!On the same day that the Time Magazine released its poll showing Hillary tumbling, The New York Times published an interview with Hillary Clinton that will haunt her for the remainder of the campaign. Asked about her twisted, convoluted, contradictory Iraq policy, she avowed a determination to stay in Iraq after she becomes president!
A few weeks ago, she said she’d end the war in 20009 when she was elected president. Now she’s saying that she’d “start” to end the war. And just a few ago, Hillary said she would vote for an amendment to the appropriations bill calling for a total withdrawal from Iraq by March of 2008 (and sooner if the Iraqi government doesn’t meet certain specified goals during the interim). While the other 534 Senators and Congressmen see the amendment as a cutoff of funding, she insists it merely sets a “goal.”
This is Classic Clinton – as in ‘it depends on what the meaning of is is.”
(By the way, Hillary apparently doesn’t like to read the bills she backs. She claims that her 2002 vote to authorize the President to send American troops into Iraq was actually a mandate for ongoing UN inspection and now this specific cutoff of funds for the troops is, in her view, merely advisory).
So she wants to pull out but also keep the troops there – end the war, but keep it going – in other words, have her cake and eat it too!
She told The New York Times that “I think we will have a remaining military as well as political mission, trying to contain the extremists [in Iraq].” She elaborated on what the troops would do once she took office:
“help the Kurds manage their various problems in the north,”
“prevent Iran from crossing the border and having too much influence inside Iraq.”
“logistical support, air support, and training support” for Iraqi troops
Her latest position provides Obama with an easy ability to contrast his positions on the war with hers. The Illinois Senator says flatly that we should pull out totally and that he thinks the war was always a mistake and still is.
Of course, Hillary is right and Obama is wrong. We can no more completely pull out of Iraq than we could have withdrawn from NATO during the cold war. But her position will severely damage her support and credibility among Democrats who want a total cutoff of all funding for the war. In the latest Fox News poll, Democrats supported the withdrawal by 77-18.
Until the Times interview, the only serious issue separating Obama and Clinton was the irrelevant one of whether she should apologize for her vote authorizing the war. But now she has created a huge issue by announcing her decision to stay in Iraq.
Hillary’s plan sounds downright Republican and very much like one ventured by former Rumsfeld deputy Dov S. Zakheim who estimates that this more limited mission would require only 75,000 troops, down from the 160,000 we will have there after Bush reinforces our presence this year.
Her pessimism comes at a time when US combat deaths in Iraq have dropped by 25% from 88 every thirty days to 66 now that Bush’s redeployment is taking place. It also comes as the Iraqi government is celebrating a huge drop in Baghdad violence.
So, why does Hillary do this?
First, as a woman candidate, she is always sensitive to gender stereotypes that question a woman’s ability to be an effective Commander-in-Chief. So, she has to show that she’s tough.
And, second, she is in awe of some of the generals and military types who provide her with advice on the Armed Services Committee. She wants their approval.
So, she tries to have it both ways.
Hillary’s constant flip-flopping on Iraq will bring her no end of grief in the primaries.
Now, Jerald, that sounds terribly threatening, in a way… And I suppose you have all the “proof” of all of those allegations you posted?? And how is it that you think you know the inner thinking of such individuals anyway??? What kind of kool aid crystal ball are you gazing at??
No threat just facts
“If I had been president in October of 2002, I would not have started this war.” This counterfactual elicited strong cheers from the audiences Clinton supporters, but was notable in that it was demonstrably wrong, not an apology for her pro-war vote, and irrelevant.
Clinton did vote to go to war and she has never apologized for that vote. No electoral scenario existed whereby Clinton would have been president in 2002, so statements about what she might have done had she held an office in 2002 that she did not run for in 2000 are not worth the breathe she spend making them, let alone the applause that they inexplicably garnered.
Clinton also addressed a conceivable future in her DNC speech (video here), “If we in Congress don’t end this war before January of 2009, as president I will.” This statement is as clear as it gets. Clinton promised to end the war in Iraq if she takes office in January 2009. She made this promise to a room of thousands of Democratic loyalists, people who have been fighting to end this war since the day it started, people who have lost family members or themselves been injured in Iraq. And she made a promise, not unlike other Democratic candidates, to be sure that the war would end immediately were she to be given the reins of this country.
Clinton lied. Or at least changed her mind in the last month, though this is hardly a better explanation.
Michael Gordon and Patrick Healy have an article in today’s New York Times based around an interview of Clinton and what she will do in Iraq if elected president. In it Clinton says that she would keep American troops on the ground in Iraq, though shift their mission to remove them from playing a role adjudicating the civil war and refocus on fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq. The crux of Clinton’s January 2009 plan is this: “What we can do is to almost take a line sort of north of, between Baghdad and Kirkuk, and basically put our troops into that region — the ones that are going to remain for our antiterrorism mission; for our northern support mission; for our ability to respond to the Iranians; and to continue to provide support, if called for, for the Iraqis.”
Senator Clinton, changing which parts of Iraq we focus our military’s attention is not the same as ending the war. It’s not even part of the same conversation.
Clinton told Healy and Gordon: “Trying to withdraw is not something you snap your fingers and tell people, do it tomorrow.” Maybe, but that’s what you said you would do if elected president. You said, “If we in Congress don’t end this war before January of 2009, as president I will.”
Clinton’s is not a liberal, Democratic vision for ending the war in Iraq nor is it a plausible flushing out of the same ideas that Clinton presented at the DNC winter meeting. Matt Stoller described Clinton’s position well, “It’s a genuinely and deeply conservative foreign policy strategy, involving indefinitely keeping US troops in Iraq for unspecified national security interests while calling the war over.” What goes unstated is how monumentally unacceptable Clinton’s Iraq plan is for the Democratic Party and America.
Clinton came to the DNC and spoke with the Democratic base. She twice asserted that a Hillary Clinton presidency would mean no more war in Iraq. Yet this is clearly not the position that she holds; her real position is to continue America’s presence in Iraq for the indefinite future that starts in January 2009. Clinton’s lies at the DNC stem directly from her inability to wrap her mind around the idea of implementing the only sound course for Iraq: ending the war now and bringing our troops home.
Although Jimmy Carter has had to endured non-stop libelous accusations of anti-Semitism from the conventional media, virtually no attention has been given to Hillary’s Clinton’s reported anti-Jewish statements. This is another example of the impenetrable media bubble placed around HRC since her husband first ran for president.
There have been a few exceptions. For example, in August 2000, the NY Post reported:
“The Arkansas man who accused Hillary Rodham Clinton last month of uttering an anti-Semitic slur in 1974 has passed a lie-detector test arranged by The Post. Paul Fray, who has charged Mrs. Clinton called him a “f- – -ing Jew bastard” after Bill Clinton lost his race for Congress, cleared the polygraph exam administered Sunday near his home here. “There’s no doubt in my mind that Mr. Fray is truthful,” concluded state-licensed Arkansas polygrapher Jeff Hubanks, who gave the three-hour test. . . The findings were reviewed yesterday by another expert, Richard Keifer, a former head of the FBI’s polygraph unit who has 20 years of experience. Keifer judged the results “inconclusive” because they didn’t meet the high federal polygraph standards – but said he found nothing to indicate Fray was lying. Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said, “Paul Fray is an admitted liar, and we’re not going to be responding to his lies anymore.”
That same year former Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson claimed that in their frequent arguments, Bill and Hillary Clinton would use such expressions as “Jew motherf*cker,” “Jew Boy” and “Jew Bastard.”
That same year, the Review discussed the issue of how the media handles these matters:
PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 2000 – The kid gloves treatment of Hillary Clinton’s alleged ethnic slurs is, of course, in marked contrast to the media handling of, say, John Rocker, Louis Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson. But she is not the only one who has been give a pass. A reader sends along a 1997 issue of the Progressive with an article by Susan Douglas that includes this:
“As ABC News reminded us over and over, the lesson from Tiger Woods’s victory is ‘that anyone can make it to the top.’ Woods was immediately canonized by every news outlet in the land as a breakthrough, trans-racial saint, an agent of integration and goodwill. The newscasters genuflected. Once again, the future of western civilization was freighted onto the shoulders of the latest guy who can throw/hit/kick a ball. The media pilloried pro-golfer Fuzzy Zoeller for making racist remarks about fried chicken and collard greens. But they have virtually ignored Woods’s own racist, sexist, and homophobic remarks.
“In the April issue of GQ, Woods speculated that ‘good-looking women hang around baseball and basketball’ because ‘black guys have big dicks.’ And he asks: Why do lesbians always get to their destination so quickly? He answers: ‘Because lesbians are always going sixty-nine.’ This doesn’t fit into the pack journalism “new-messiah” image, now does it? So just let it slide.”
But the current masters of applying multiple standards to matters claimed to be worthy of zero tolerance may well be the Blair government. Not only was Tony Blair’s campaign to end under-aged drinking in bars celebrated by his son turning up dead drunk on a London sidewalk, but Home Secretary Jack Straw, riding in a car driven by a special branch officer, was pulled over for doing 103 mph on a motorway. The incident occurred at 8:55 am as Straw was rushing to a meeting with Blair, perhaps to discuss new measures to make the British behave. Straw, hit man for Blair’s zero tolerance policies, also has a son who got into trouble with the police after selling ten pounds (sterling) of marijuana to an undercover reporter.
Whatever the facts of the matter, the accusation in a new book that Hillary Clinton called one of her staffers a “Jew bastard” in 1974 adds a significant new problem to her already troubled effort. Clinton flatly denied the incident ever happened and quoted her husband as saying, “I was there on election night in 1974 and this charge is simply not true.”
The campaign also produced a 1997 handwritten letter from the man allegedly excoriated, Paul Fray, to Hillary Clinton in which he says, “I have wronged you. I ask for your forgiveness because I did say things against you, and called you names, not only to your face — but behind your back . . . names that are unmentionable.” The circumstances under which Fray allegedly wrote the letter are not clear but the document is reminiscent of the affidavits signed by various women denying being sexually involved with Clinton’s husband. The Clintons have the largest collection of affidavits and letters attesting to alleged non-events to be found in contemporary politics.
Fray’s comments, quoted in Jerry Oppenheimer’s new book, “State of a Union,” have been verified not only by his wife but by another Clinton aide at the time, Neill McDonald.
According to Michael Kramer in the NY Daily News:
“The slur allegedly was uttered at a heated, finger-pointing session at Bill Clinton’s Fayetteville, Ark., campaign headquarters on election night in 1974, following his defeat in his first try for political office, a run for Congress in Arkansas’ 3rd Congressional District. In the room that night were Bill Clinton; his then-girlfriend, Hillary Rodham; Paul Fray, Clinton’s campaign manager, and Fray’s wife, Mary Lee. Another campaign worker, Neill McDonald, was just outside the door and says he heard everything. The story of that encounter has been widely reported before, but without any charge that Hillary Rodham ripped into Paul Fray using an anti-Semitic slur. In interviews with The News on Friday and Saturday, the Frays and McDonald all confirmed that Hillary uttered the slur. McDonald said Hillary was speaking in the “heat of battle” and that he doesn’t believe she is an anti-Semite. McDonald added that he is and has always been a supporter of the Clintons.”. . .
Dick Morris has joined the fracas, repeating his previous claims that on one occasion HR Clinton said to him, “Money, that’s all you people care about is money.” Morris says he responded, “By money, Hillary, by you people, I assume you mean political consultants?” And she said, ‘Oh yes, of course that’s what I mean.’ But it wasn’t what I thought she meant.”
The president had risen to HR Clinton’s defense but his credentials are more than a little suspect ever since the tapes of his conversations with Gennifer Flowers, which included this Flowers comment on Mario Cuomo: “Well, he seems like he could get real mean . . . I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t have some mafioso major connections.” And Clinton replies, “Well, he acts like one.”
And then there’s that police sting video of Roger Clinton saying he has to get some cocaine for his brother who has a nose like a vacumn cleaner, in which Roger makes free use of the word nigger, a term trooper Patterson says he also heard from WJ Clinton when talking about Jesse Jackson and prominent Little Rock black figure, Robert ‘Say’ McIntosh.
I have some anti-diarhhea pills that can control that problem, Jerald… :-)
Jerald Smith,
If you’re going to download, wholesale, from World Net Daily, at least have the decency to attribute the article. Geez.
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