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Open thread 8/27
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 27, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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I think KansasMeadowlark is Parkay.
Well, well, what’s this? It seems that a brave illegal has kicked to death a two year old, White American child. I guess that family “values” really don’t stop at the border.
I guess that capn, chas and the rest will go give the poor creature a hug, after all I am sure that he suffered from poverty and discrimination. Alas, this is all just a small price to pay for “diversity” and cheap labor, right?
Coweta man charged in baby’s deathCHARGEDMichael Hernandez: He’s accused of kicking or stomping the boy repeatedly.
By RHETT MORGAN World Staff Writer8/25/2007
COWETA — Wagoner County prosecutors have filed a first-degree murder charge against a Coweta man who allegedly kicked to death his girlfriend’s 2-year-old son.
Michael Hernandez, 21, is accused of repeatedly kicking or stomping Kelynn Eric Byrd on Aug. 12. Kelynn died of blunt chest trauma and abdominal trauma, an autopsy report indicated.
Hernandez told investigators that the death occurred after he and his girlfriend, Jamie Gould, had argued in their bedroom on the afternoon of Aug. 12.
Gould reportedly left the home, leaving her son alone with Hernandez, according to an affidavit.
Hernandez told investigators that while “very angry” with Gould about their relationship, he began kicking Kelynn in the back, records show.
He said he believed that he kicked the child fewer than 10 times, records show.
Hernandez reportedly called Gould, and she returned to find Kelynn not breathing. The toddler was transferred to St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, where he later was pronounced dead, records show.
Hospital personnel reportedly told Coweta police that the child had many bruises and collapsed lungs.
Hernandez told authorities that he and Gould had been together for about 14 months.
Kelynn was Gould’s child from a previous relationship, although Gould and Hernandez do have a young baby together, an affidavit states.
A relative of Hernandez’s said last week that Kelynn loved balls, enjoyed being outside and clung tightly to his mother.http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070825_1_A13_spanc66077
So, what does open thread mean? I just moved here, and trying to figure this out. It’s different than where I came from.
I think KansasMeadowlark is Parkay.
Posted by: political_mom
No, no, he is really butter…
“So, what does open thread mean?”
It’s a sewing forum, OF COURSE! ;-)Hey, Steven, check out the Singer Transparent 085128 bobbin! Ain’t she a beauty?
http://www.sewingmachinesplus.com/sing-085128.php
Thanks, I think?
I have rethought my view, WE the United States being the last super power in a world that is growing smaller each day. And the day will come when there is a World Government in control, should use our political and military might to make sure that this great nation. With the best Governing system and way of life. Be the role model for that world Government. The people of this planet will be better off with our form of Government and our ideas of life.
We have the strategic knowledge and strength to guild this world to a brighter future by expressing our views upon it. The Moslem faith has within it the foundations of the spirit of Democracy, but are being held down by the oppressive rulers of the region. By forcing them to regime change we could bring the ideas of Democratic. One by one these oppressive rulers must be toppled and allow their people to know real freedom. And the benefits of our style of Government and way of life, we must become a benevolent force within the world. A shining empire for the entire world to admire and follow, but promise to not abuse this God given privilege! It is the lack of true Democratic that is the cause of the terrorism and by bring this region under our control and guidance. We can rid the world of the strife and sorrow that causes people to hate this country to the point of wishing our end.
Europe makes failed attempts to pattern themselves after us, there for we should also bring them under our protection and guidance. Either the Soviets and the Communists could once again gain a foot hold on Europe. Once Europe is under our guidance, the Chinese will have no choice but to fold under the world pressure to reform and accept our form of Government.
Either the Soviets and the Communists could once again gain a foot hold on Europe.Should read: Else the Soviets….
And instead of “Democratic” should be “Democracy”Sorry for the confusion…
The Wichita school board might vote today to lay the groundwork for a future bond issue to address building needs. It’s healthy to have another community dialogue about what we want our schools to be and how they can achieve excellence.http://www.kansas.com/611/story/158559.html
Just what we need…more taxes. It seems like every governing body wants to raise taxes. Maybe local government bodies need to learn to do what the rest of us are doing; live within their means.
XXX…….that is one of the most asinine comments I ever seen posted on this blog.
I see you want our children to not be prepared for the global economy that they will be party of very soon. or…is it okay for them to sit in poor facilities, in crowded classrooms of maybe ride the bus for up to 2 hours per day.
Before you bloviate, you might consider looking at the overcrowding in some of the schools in Wichita.
Apophis, if you want to see asinine, look in the mirror.We need to find some way other than continuing to pile more taxes on the backs of home-owners. And with the real estate market the way it is; property values stagnant and the market over all in decline, it’s only going to get worse.
>>So, what does open thread mean? I just moved here, and trying to figure this out. It’s different than where I came from.
Posted by: Das <<
Das..
It’s just a forum to talk about anything. Whatever may be the hot topic of the day! Usually starts that way, but soon evolves into name-calling and trash talking. If you can keep yourself above that, you can sometimes have an informative and meaningful dialogue.
Thank you sam
GONZALES OUT He’s done a heck of a job!
WACO, Tex., Aug. 27 Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, whose tenure has been marred by controversy and accusations of perjury before Congress, has resigned. A senior administration official said he would announce the decision later this morning in Washington.
Faux/Squirrely/Girly News Confirmed Gonzales is OUT!
One down, at least two more to go!
An investigating officer recommended Thursday dismissing all charges against a Marine accused of murdering two girls in an assault that killed 24 civilians in the Iraqi town of Haditha.
Jack Murtha, are you there?????
crickets
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070827/cm_csm/ystevenson;_ylt=Ajp0FVl.si0vTViyqNs7M6lkM3wV
Myths about Congress’s war powersBy Charles A. Stevenson Mon Aug 27, 4:00 AM ETUniversity Park, Md. – It’s enough to make a history teacher blush – all the myths out there about the role of the US Congress in starting and stopping America’s wars. Before lawmakers vote in September on bills to pull American troops out of Iraq, we at least ought to get the record straight as to what Congress can and cannot do.
Myth No. 1: Only Congress can declare war, then the president is in charge as commander in chief.Highly misleading. Congress clearly has the power to declare wars, but it has done that in only five conflicts. Another 15 times, it has passed laws specifically authorizing the use of force but without using the “W” word. Among those times were 1991 and 2002 against Iraq and 2001 against those involved in the 9/11 attacks. Dozens of other times, presidents have sent US troops into action and Congress took no specific action, usually because the operation was small in size and short in duration.Under the Constitution, Congress also has the power “to raise and support armies,” “to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces,” and “to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia,” now called the National Guard. That means Congress can increase or shrink the size of our forces, decide what missions they should be equipped for, and set rules, for example, regarding the treatment of prisoners.The commander in chief can give direct operational orders, but he is constrained by laws and the funds approved by Congress.Myth No. 2: Congress can’t set limits on troop deployments.It’s been done before, and presidents have complied. President Franklin Roosevelt felt so constrained by the law he signed in 1940 forbidding sending draftees outside the Western Hemisphere that he signed an order declaring that the hemisphere extended as far as Iceland so that he could legally station troops there and send supply ships partway to Britain.President Nixon accepted the law passed by Congress in 1969 forbidding deployment of ground combat troops into Laos or Thailand. President Reagan accepted the 1983 law allowing US troops to use force only in self-defense. President McKinley accepted the law barring the annexation of Cuba in 1898. Even President George W. Bush has accepted the law limiting the number of US military and contractor personnel who can be sent to Colombia.Myth No. 3: The only way to stop the war is for Congress to cut off funds for the troops.That would work; it’s been done before. But it’s pretty drastic. In 1973, with US combat troops withdrawn from Vietnam but offensive air operations still continuing, President Nixon accepted a law forbidding funds for any further air combat after Aug. 15. He earlier accepted a law forbidding the reintroduction of US combat troops into Cambodia.What works best is when Congress demands what presidents are already willing to do. In 1919, President Wilson announced the withdrawal of US troops from intervention in Soviet Russia after a tie vote in the Senate on a nonbonding resolution. Four years later, President Harding decided to withdraw US troops from occupation duty in Germany after Senate passage of a resolution calling for that. In 1993, President Clinton accepted a law requiring all US combat troops to be withdrawn from Somalia by March 1994 – a date certain he had already promised.Amendments likely to be considered in Congress in September limiting the deployment of troops to Iraq unless they have met certain training, equipment, and readiness standards are within established precedents for legislative action.Myth No. 4: Congress can’t prevent the president from going to war against Iran, Syria, or North Korea – or anywhere else – if that’s necessary to protect US lives and vital interests.Untrue. It can stop the president but it’s unlikely to. The blanket prohibitions like those enacted regarding Laos or Vietnam would be effective, but there are enough possible circumstances in which the use of force against Iran or North Korea might be both urgent and broadly supported that Congress wouldn’t want to draw red lines preventing action. And measures insisting on prior authorization of force sound good but lack teeth.In short, contrary to many myths, the historical record shows that Congress has broad powers to authorize and limit the use of force, and to restrict operations in Iraq – if it can muster the majorities to enact laws, over the president’s veto if necessary.Charles A. Stevenson is the author of “Congress at War: The Politics of Conflict since 1789.”
Gonzo’s gone. White House Press conference at 9:30 CDT.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070827/ap_on_go_pr_wh/gonzales_resigns;_ylt=Alcsjd48gP8z.iI_2sjdEvAb.3QA
Foraml announcement of the Gonzales resignation still pending.
Next up: interiem appointment of AG replacement.
Bush to Congress: “shove congressional oversight up to where the moon doesn’t shine.”
Oh, oh, I hear that skeletor- Chertoff may be assuming Gonzo’s vacated position.
180*
What’s with all the “Monday Morning News Dumps”?
I thought news dumps happened on Friday afternoon or Sunday midmorning?
Are they adopting Bobby Kennedy’s strategy of hanging a lantern on their problems?
Bolton mentioned there would be more resignations before Sept. 1. I wonder if this is the last one?
Now if we could just get roberts and alito to resign…
Wow, now that Gonzales has resigned in disgrace, he’ll be invited to come and speak to the Wichita Chamber at their annual fund raiser.
Failed republicans are the role model our civic leaders aspire to, apparently . . .
Well, at least they aren’t inviting failed utilities employees.
That’s a plus, I suppose.
“It seems that a brave illegal ….”
Jonas nowhere does it say the suspect was an illegal. Or do you just assume he was an illegal because of his name …. racist much?
“Michael Hernandez was in a Wagoner County district court Wednesday, facing first degree murder charges. He’s accused of kicking his girlfriend’s 2-year-old son to death. A judge denied Hernandez bond, but the victim’s family is concerned his immigration status could change that, because he’s here illegally from Mexico. The News On 6’s Ashli Sims reports the victim’s grandmother says she’s worried he might be sent back to Mexico before justice can be served. ”
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=198028
I don;t care if the SOB is here illegally or not, he deserves the harshest penalty available.
Just another reason for heterosexuals not to be allowed around children….
Sol
I stand corrected. My apology to Jonas
It seems that ken was more concerned with a hint of “racism” than the brutal murder of a little White boy. I wonder why he didn’t kick to death the mixed race child that he had with that brain damaged broad he was shacked up with?
PS: I was a member of the Houston PD for many years and spent my last six years as a member of the S.W.A.T team and the legal ones don’t act any better than the illegals.
180*
Yeah, just think.
Without all those illegal immigrants, we’d have NO CRIME in this country!
These racists have websites that monitor and make widely public every crime committed by illegals.
Why don’t they do the same for ordinary white criminals?
Way too many to keep track of.
Gul . . .
What does the 180* stand for?
One has to wonder why Gul won’t answer a simple question put to him.
Unless it’s something he’s ashamed of . . .
******
Andrew CardAri “The Liar” FliescherLi’l Scotty McClellanJohn BoltonKKKarl RoveScooter “Pardoned” LibbyDonald RumsFAILEDHarriet Miers
and now Alberto R. Gonzales . . .
all the president’s closest henchmen are cast down and repudiated.
Only the iron triangle of Condi, Cheney and Bush remain.
Like any good revenge tragedy, the very worst are the last to be utterly destroyed . . .
# of murders maybe?
I havent run across many Police Officers with blatant racial issues before. This is somewhat new to me.
Gonzalez is resigning and I’m sure he will still claim executive privilege if called to testify in any hearings. Is that their strategy here – jump ship and then still claim executive privileges?
With all this Bush ship jumping, I wonder what the decider, GWB, is doing these days – talking to all those portraits in the halls?
Yipeee!
Middle East turmoil could cause world war: U.S. envoy Mon Aug 27, 6:57 AM ET
VIENNA (Reuters) – Upheaval in the Middle East and Islamic civilization could cause another world war, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was quoted as saying in an Austrian newspaper interview published on Monday.
ADVERTISEMENTZalmay Khalilzad told the daily Die Presse the Middle East was now so disordered that it had the potential to inflame the world as Europe did during the first half of the 20th century.
“The (Middle East) is going through a very difficult transformation phase. That has strengthened extremism and creates a breeding ground for terrorism,” he said in remarks translated by Reuters into English from the published German.
“Europe was just as dysfunctional for a while. And some of its wars became world wars. Now the problems of the Middle East and Islamic civilization have the same potential to engulf the world,” he was quoted as saying.
Khalilzad, interviewed by Die Presse while attending a foreign policy seminar in the Austrian Alps, said the Islamic world would eventually join the international mainstream but this would take some time.
“They started late. They don’t have a consensus on their concept. Some believe they should return to the time (6th-7th century) of the Prophet Mohammad,” he was quoted as saying.
“It may take decades before some understand that they can remain Muslims and simultaneously join the modern world.”
Khalilzad was also quoted as saying Iraq would need foreign forces for security for a long time to come.
“Iraq will not be in a position to stand on its own feet for a longer period,” he said in the interview.
Asked whether that could be 10-20 years, he said: “Yes, indeed, it could last that long. What form the help takes will depend a lot on the Iraqis. Up to now there is no accord between Iraq and the United States about a longer military presence.”
Khalilzad said the chaos in Iraq since U.S.-led forces overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003 was not unavoidable but arose from mistakes in the initial period of occupation.
“Historians are discussing now whether we should have sent more troops to Iraq to preserve law and order, if it was right to dissolve the Iraqi army, if we should have built an Iraqi government quicker, if there should have been such a sweeping de-Baathification program (removing Saddam-era officials).”
The Bush House of Cards continues to tumble down……
The West Wing is starting to resemble a ghost town.
Can Laura and Barnie be far behind?When Bush says “He has my full confidence”, don’t let the door hit you in the ass, on the way out.
Where’s all the Gonzo defenders?
Now all the Democratic Congress has to do is to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” in Iraq and their blame America Tour will be complete.
Dear Editors,
Can we get a Gonzo thread? Please please please please please please!
Oh, and another thing: no recess appointments for Attorney General. Any nominee must go through the regular process of vetting, hearings, and Senate approval.
For an Attorney General to serve without the consent and approval of the citizens of the United States through their duly elected representatives would be even less tolerable than was the situation under Gonzales. No such individual could be trusted to neutrally enforce the law.
Gonzo’s gone.Good riddance to bad rubbish!Oh, don’t you know this is going to make the Republicans mad.
Just gives them one more thing to blame the evil Democrats for. The decider already said so! Poor AG AG did nothing wrong and had his good name dragged through the mud andonandonandonandon
CF the dems might have to come back to work and do some actual legislating now won’t they? That will be a change won’t it? Maybe they can pull their approval numbers out of the cellar before the next election.
As for Gonzales. He is gone. Lets move on and if congress doesn’t want a recess appointment they had better drag their behinds back to DC poste haste don’t you think?
The firing of the 8 US atts was a smoke screen to keep the American people from seeing the ineptness of the dem congress. They had better find a new screen fast.
No such individual could be trusted to neutrally enforce the law.
Posted by: CF2K | August 27, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Be careful what you wish for. The rules and policies you are advocating for now will be the same ones the dems might have to operate under if they have take the White House back.
ksgrm,
You mean George Bush fired the US Attorneys so that Americans wouldn’t see what you call the “ineptness” of the Democratic Congress?
Wow. That’s so bizarre my head hurts.
ksgrm,
You think that CF2K thinks it would be a BAD THING for Presidents to require their Cabinet officers to receive Congressional approval, and that I shouldn’t want this standard applied to Bush because it might hamstring some future Democratic President?
Boy–you’re hitting ‘em out of the park, aren’t you, ksgrm?
The difference between you and me, ksgrm, is that I believe in the Constitution–one express purpose of which is to hamstring Presidents.
Oh, and another thing: no recess appointments for Attorney General. Any nominee must go through the regular process of vetting, hearings, and Senate approval.
For an Attorney General to serve without the consent and approval of the citizens of the United States through their duly elected representatives would be even less tolerable than was the situation under Gonzales. No such individual could be trusted to neutrally enforce the law.
Posted by: CF2K | August 27, 2007 at 11:13 AM
So why did the US Congress take a recess without accomplish it’s objectives for Jan-Jul 2007?
“So why did the US Congress take a recess without accomplish it’s objectives for Jan-Jul 2007?”
Because if you are “all talk and no vote” it does not make a difference if you on recess or not.
Well here is something positive Bush can take credit for. Sorta like more bushels of corn per acre. Only a higher paying and cash crop.
I wonder how much of the middle east problems revolve around drugs?
The UN says opium production in Afghanistan has soared to record levels, with an increase on last year of more than a third.
The UN Office on Drugs and Crime report says the amount of opium produced there has doubled in the last two years.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6965115.stm
Perhaps the President should put a decent candidate up instead of the baboons he has? Then maybe congress would appoint them?
what a novel concept p_momHow hard can it be to find someone competent to be an attorney general?The hard part is finding want that is no too partisan, but just partisan enough.
want=one
Perhaps the President should put a decent candidate up instead of the baboons he has? Then maybe congress would appoint them?
Posted by: political_mom | August 27, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Is this a racist statement? Sounds worse that ‘hand monkey’ to me.
Do liberals get to pick all of the appointees. When do the conservatives get a chance?
Sounds like you are mixing a drink or baking a cake.
This is how you select an AG?
As for that illegal in Coweta, Oklahoma (the hometown of Carrie Underwood): Old Sparky at big Mac hasn’t been used in a long time. This might be the time to fire it up and not put water on the sponge. The mother should also be punished for leaving children in the care of this animal. Don’t tell me this is the first time he exhibited hostile behavior – it doesn’t match.
“Sounds like you are mixing a drink or baking a cake.This is how you select an AG?Posted by: Home Boy | August 27, 2007 at 12:39 PM”
That is not how I select an AG; but then again, I am not President Bush.(as far as any of you know)
For the death of the 2 yr old in Oklahoma, perhaps we should wait for a verdict before beginning sentencing.
Perhaps Brian, but I’m always reminded of this quote from Dirty Harry -
[Harry Callahan has to explain why he shot a man]
Harry Callahan: Well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard. That’s my policy.The Mayor: Intent? How did you establish that?Harry Callahan: When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher’s knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn’t out collecting for the Red Cross!
[walks out of the room]
The Mayor: He’s got a point.
If Dirty Harry (or any one) sees a man chasing a woman with a knife, they would have valid justification for using deadly force.
Here is a more comparable situation. Dirty Harry gets on a bus, walks up to someone sitting in the middle of a row and asks if they were Michael Hernandez. The man says yes. D.Harry then asks if the man is the same Michael Hernandez on trial for killing a 2 year old. The man responds yes. Dirty Harry shoots the man in the head. Regardless of what the man did, Dirty Harry committed murder.
Horrible analogy brian, Dirty Harry would never do such a thing in that manner.
Besides, what I wrote was meant for humor.
Evidently, there is a severe shortage of it on this blog.
Kanasas, there is nothing funny about Dirty Harry.Don’t you forget that.
NothingfunnyaboutDirty Harry
Wow brian, you are one uptight individual aren’t you?
:)
Why is the troll posting sexually explicit quotes from R-rated movies on a public blog run by a family newspaper?
dammit Kansas, my post at 12:58 was funny.
:)
Tom the purveyor of morality?
So have it removed Tom, if you think anyone is offended.
Leave it to Tom, who curses out of one side of his mouth and preaches morality out of the other side.
(rolls eyes)
So, what does open thread mean? I just moved here, and trying to figure this out. It’s different than where I came from.
Posted by: Das
It’s the same as anywhere.
PS: XYZ, your zipper is down
Troll,
Show me where I was “preaching morality.” It was a question. Care to answer it, or are you going to keep attempting to insult me?
This is the open thread:
Chelsea Clinton recently discussed “current events” with a U.S. soldier.She asked if, as an American fighting man, anything scared him.
He told her there were only three things he feared:1) Osama2) Obamaand,3) Yo Mama
The difference between you and me, ksgrm, is that I believe in the Constitution–one express purpose of which is to hamstring Presidents.
Posted by: CF2K | August 27, 2007 at 11:25 AM
I guess I missed that one in my government class CF. Thanks for pointing that out.
We’ve had Repub. domination too long if you don’t know congress serves as a counter balance to the Administration! Dems. will remedy that oversight.
Dems. will remedy that oversight.
Posted by: The Phantom
Well they haven’t done much to remedy anything as of yet. Lot’s of theatre. Big noise.
But they haven’t done their J.O.B yet and passed the appropriation bills.
It’s such a little thing. Doing their job, under the constitution.
It was their campaign promise, and I heard Boyda say it – to turn congress around and pass legislation on time.
Guess I’ll put a check mark next to her name for next election. NO.
“The difference between you and me, ksgrm, is that I believe in the Constitution–one express purpose of which is to hamstring Presidents.Posted by: CF2K | August 27, 2007 at 11:25 AM
I guess I missed that one in my government class CF. Thanks for pointing that out.Posted by: ksgrm | August 27, 2007 at 01:52 PM ”
I guess now we know why you continue to support the Republican party
Warner may back Democrats on withdrawal
“That’s precisely what I said to the president. I said, ‘Here is an option. You can initiate a first withdrawal. You pick the number, Mr. President. And it would send a signal to the Iraqi government that matches your words,’” Warner said. “His words being, ‘We’re not going to be there forever.’”
http://kansas.com/wireupdates/story/158330.html
Pres. Bush starting the withdrawal I think could actually give him a little, tiny, tiny bit of credibility, and there is no way in hell he will do it. Too bad.
For all you wing-nuts that can’t give the meglomanic Bush enough power, I’ve got two words for you:
Democratic president.
I am acquainted with KansasMeadowlark, and I assure you, I am not him.
Democratic president.Posted by: CapnAmerica
Let’s pray not, but if it happens let’s pray they don’t touch my taxes,unless to lower them. I’m paying you socialists too much now.
“Let’s pray not, but if it happens let’s pray they don’t touch my taxes,unless to lower them. I’m paying you socialists too much now.
Posted by: Home Boy | August 27, 2007 at 03:35 PM”
Maybe they should model the more fiscally conservative Republicans, eh?LOL
I guess now we know why you continue to support the Republican party
Posted by: brian | August 27, 2007 at 02:31 PM
Brian if you were taught that ‘hamstringing’ the prez is the job of congress then you had better find a better grade of university.
Hamstringing is a football term, meaning to bring down or stop from moving forward. You may think that is the job of congress but I don’t. I guess that is the reason you are still a demo.
HOLY COW–Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) pleads guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct, for SOLICITING SEX in a men’s restroom.
“According to the incident report, Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested.
Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity.
Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see “an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall.”
The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig.
“I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states.
Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia’s and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door.
“My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall,” Karsnia stated in his report. “From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me.”
Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes.
“At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area,” the report states.
Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that “I could … see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.”
Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it.
“With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, ‘No!’ I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. … Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn’t want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom.”
In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig “either disagreed with me or ‘didn’t recall’ the events as they happened,” the report states.
Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor.”
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/19763-1.html
Guess Larry Craig’s proclivities have been an open secret for some time. Here’s an entry from a blog last year:
http://www.blogactive.com/2006/10/senator-larry-craig-whats-with-gay.html
And, is anybody surprised that Senator Craig has been a highly visible and vocal opponent of gay marriage and gay rights generally?
“I guess that is the reason you are still a demo.
Posted by: ksgrm | August 27, 2007 at 03:43 PM ”
I have never claimed to be a Democrat.
“Hamstringing is a football term, meaning to bring down or stop from moving forward. You may think that is the job of congress but I don’t.Posted by: ksgrm | August 27, 2007 at 03:43 PM”
“The original definition of “hamstringing” was to cut the hamstring of a person or animal, thus crippling them. It was generally in the context of war, and would cripple the victim, leaving him unable to fight. The hamstringing of a horse would make it incapable of using its rear legs, even for standing up, thus making it easier to kill. The definition has been extended to use as a metaphor to refer to the crippling of any effort, e.g. a person may be hamstrung in his/her studies by not being too bright. “http://www.reference.com/search?q=hammy
I think you were thinking of ‘pull a hammy’ in football.
Hamstringing synonyms could be hinder, limit, restrain.
Think of that in terms of the federal government and the check and balances between the Congressional, Executive, and Judicial branches.
If ksgrm wants to play semantics around the word ‘hamstring,’ fine.
My point was clear: when it comes to the Attorney General of the United States, the Legislative Branch of government HAS to be involved in the determination of his fitness for office.
If that puts Congress at odds with the President, it’s JUST as the Founders envisioned it. And given this Administration’s TOTAL misuse of the apparatus of the Justice Department for partisan gain, there’s every reason to think that they would absolutely want to see this President ‘hamstrung’–in precisely the senses indicated–in his ability to bend the Department of Justice to his purposes.
My guess is they’d want him impeached. We’re way, way over the threshold for “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
Brian your definition was much better than mine.
Thanks
“The original definition of “hamstringing” was to cut the hamstring of a person or animal, thus crippling them. It was generally in the context of war, and would cripple the victim, leaving him unable to fight.”
It this really what we want our congress to do to our prez. Your possible synonyms were made up by you hence the term ‘could be’.
“The definition has been extended to use as a metaphor”
You conveniently left a vital piece out ksgrm.Why would you selectivly leave parts out like that?Are you intentionally trying to mislead people?
“The definition has been extended to use as a metaphor”
You conveniently left a vital piece out ksgrm.Why would you selectivly leave parts out like that?Are you intentionally trying to mislead people?
ksgrm,
Hell yes that’s what I want Congress to do if the President tries to install an Attorney General without the consent of the Senate.
Let’s see: the top cop would be appointed by the President, whose Administration is the subject of a number of investigations by various agencies, including the Department of Justice.
If that’s cool by you, ksgrm, just say so. I think that would be rather worse for America than would be Congress putting its foot down.
Oh, and as per brian’s point, I want the President METAPHORICALLY hamstrung.
“Hamstringing is a football term, meaning to bring down or stop from moving forward.”
Ha Ha Ha!! This is funny. A Hamstring is a particular muscle, which if pulled, or cut, can cause near disability. It is not a football maneuver. I do not know where in the world KsGrm would get such an idea. The act of bringing down, or impeding forward progress, of an illegal type nature, would be, called “clipping” I believe. It is a 15 yard penalty. It is also considered a dangerous move to put on a player.
Cf while I don’t agree with all of what Bush has done I certainly don’t think he has done anything that merits impeachment. The frequently maligned ‘Patriot Act’ isn’t something I take exception to as most liberal do. That is a difference of opinion we will just have to have. Any congress that sets it self up to be hinderance to the office of the president, has failed IMOHO to execute the duties they were elected to do.
ksgrm,
OK. Name one thing Bush has done that you don’t agree with.
Das not pretending to be an expert on football I will accept Brians definition of hamstringing.
ksgrm,Seriously do you not understand the point of this discussion at all?Check and Balances? Separation of Power?Anything clicking yet?
not my definition.I actually like to source statements like that and reference them to those more knowledgable than myself.
Hamstring injury may be suffered in many sport, including baseball, football, hockey, basketball, track and field events, wrestling, even occasionally in golf or bowling. Sometimes, depends on training, or lack thereof, of the particular athlete. Sometimes a pulled hamstring can end a player’s career.
(Can also include Ballet as well)
Yes, and Brian’s definition was clearly seen in last night’s concluding episode of Lord of the Rings, when the army of Gandolf was seen “hamstringing” the attacking giant elephants in the great and final battle, to restore the King. Of course, perhaps not many of you saw that?
Just once (or several times) I would like someone on here to say:’OK, you are all right. I wrote something stupid. I had no idea what I was talking about, but I stand corrected. You were right, I was wrong.’
“Of course, perhaps not many of you saw that?
Posted by: Das | August 27, 2007 at 05:15 PM ”
Ummmm. no.Nerd Alert!(just kidding) :)
Brian, I do not sense KsGrm as being such a person. But one could always hope.
hmmm, no Chas but a Das…
and a kansAShmmmm
Wish I could stay.
THIS is gonna be fun! Someone get a link up!
It seems one Senator Larry Craig (R) Idaho has been caught behaving lewdly in an airport restroom!
First Gonzo, now Craig. This is a good day
Brian, I do not sense KsGrm as being such a person. But one could always hope.
Posted by: Das | August 27, 2007 at 05:35 PM
Brian and Das I said something really dumb and stupid. It was a comparison taken out of context. Please accept my profound apologies.
Ksgrm
CF I have serious differences with Bush and his immigration policy as I have stated several times. I also have a problem with the way he is currently handling the mid east. That is not to say that I disagree with his going into Iraq because I agreed with him going in and would be dishonest to now say ’shouldn’t have done that’.
Brian I understand checks and balances but when someone says that ‘I believe in the Constitution–one express purpose of which is to hamstring Presidents.’
The word hamstringing is a word that means to hinder someone in their performance. I just don’t think this is what I learned in Government class. Maybe you did.
Parkay, so you deny being Meadowlark, but you never denied being Troy Newman. Interesting.
According to the weather reports, it is 122 degrees in Iraq right now — and the low will be 111!
“Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. “
How about praying for them to come home instead? I think that’s what Jesus would want.
Oh yes, So mote it be!
I’m completely confident that Jesus wants us to engage in meaningful dialogue with the terrorists, and if they don’t turn themselves in…He would want us to step on their collective necks until they breathe no more.
Amen.
tsk tsk PMom,
The identity of anyone who posts here is unimportant.
Turning the other cheek Golf?
Kansas…ever notice that Parkay never posts about anything OTHER than abortion? And turns anything that’s NOT about abortion into some lame argument about it?
I just find it funny that for such a religious guy- this is the only thing he cares to get involved in. You bring up a point, and he completely ignores it. It’s like he goes “nananana I can’t hear you”. I still would like to know what motivates Troy boy. I’ve remarked many times over what motivates me.
Troy Newman is sooooo respectful of the privacy of others. He photographs private citizens going about their private business and posts it on the internet. He photographs the license plates of vehicles going in and out of the parking lots of churches with which he disagrees. He photographs the private homes of his political opponents, and their employees, and posts them on the internet. He stalks people to their homes, and stages protests on their sidewalks out front. He harasses the neighbors of those he opposes, he publishes private citizens names and workplaces on the internet.
He does all this solely to intimidate people.
His “right hand” employee, Cheryl Sullenger, served two years in a Federal prison for her role in a clinic bombing. His “left hand” pal, Keith Mason, is a member of “Army of God,” the same cult with members like Eric Robert Rudolph (serving life in supermax for terrorism and murder) and Paul J. Hill (executed by the State of Florida for murder).
Ah yes. I really, really want to protect Troy Newman’s so-called “privacy.”
I am acquainted with Rev. Troy Newman, and I assure you, I am not him.
LOL @ “Rev. Troy Newman”
Did you misspell “Terrorist Enabler Troy Newman” somehow?