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- By Phillip Brownlee
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First post: whee (I have a 2-hour advantage).
Great post Rage !! You displayed your lack of intellect by saying nothing. Congates on nothing. You did manage to oveshadow yourself.
Great post Railsplitter !! You displayed your lack of intellect by saying nothing. Congates on nothing. You did manage to oveshadow yourself.
Another example of how the Grand Ole Party really views the troops. The latest and greatest way to flip them the bird when they come home injured. Diagnose them with “personality disorder”. What does that mean? Pay back your signing bonus and get no VA benefits. What a disgrace!!! Send them to fight, they get injured, and then make them pay back their signing bonus and deny them medical treatment through the VA. Support the troops!!!!!! What a bunch of crap.
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/ArticleID/9143
And the current number of diagnosed “Personality Disorder”…..15,000 and counting.
Heheheheh. Tom, our mutual friend in the southwest showed me this. I laughed until I cried. Revolutionary cows. Viva la revolution!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkHCDkYkYnk
Oh, and the all guns all the time crowd should love this too. It’s called “Cows with Guns”.
hee hee hee. Maybe the new WEBlog editorial video dept should do a short on “bloggers with guns” or “bloggers with sharp words”?
Mike, the aricle may be correct about mis-diagnosing “personality disorder” but…
“…employers may request access to their discharge papers. Those rocords usually describe anti-social traits and behaviors they are said to probably possess.”
The “Discharge Papers”, DD214, does not have this type of information on it, at least, on the top part which is the only section the prospective employer would have access to.
I have read about what Mike is talking about with the V.A. The personality disorder diagnoses should be independently reviewed by parties who do not have a financial stake in the situation – if that is not being done now. Otherwise, it does have the appearance of the government attempting to get out of their duties to veterans in need.
There is abundent evidence that untreated Axis I disorders can look very much like Axis II disorders (personality disorders). It would be shameful to deny benefits to vets if they are in need and help could reduce their suffering.
Interesting Mike,
So this is the republican’s fault? This is a problem that can’t be used as a political football if it is to be resolved. Both parties are responsible for this fiasco and only a cheap political hack would try and use this problem to score political points.
Hank
Republican Asministration. THey bear responsibility. And all Republican are evil and mentally ill. ANd hypocrites. and a band upon society and the world.Actually, most of that might or might not have been sarcasm, but it is a Republican Administration, so they bear the blame.
OK, littlejon,
Let’s run with it. In the ’90s I was very active fighting for veteran’s benefits. This is not a partisan problem. It is a national problem and a problem that is the responsibility of congress, democrat or republican.
I have personally sat in the offices of all of our representateves in the Senate and the Congress in the late ’80s and the early ’90s. The absolutely worst reception I received to my various veteran’s problems was from Glicman’s office. The very best voice we have in Kansas for veteran’s affairs is Roberts with Tiahrt now coming in a close second.
This is based on my personal experiences as a Commander and llifetime member of the VFW. All-in-all the congressional record concerning veterans generally sucks. The answer is not found in blaming one party over the other.
We’ve got a democratic congress now, if it was/is the republican’s fault the problem is now solved.
Hank
Hank-
I will agree that the failings of the VA system in general are because of mismanagement by admins and congressional members of both parties. Some more eager to build a museum for Lawrence Welk that give prover VA care. However, this is a Republican Admin. The VA is part of the executive branch, as is the Active Duty MIlitary. THe responsibility of this particular snafu, belongs with this administration, regardless of the politics of Congres.
For discussions of the problem I allude to above, see the References section of this article:
http://www.psych.umn.edu/courses/spring06/mcguem/psy8993/Readings/widiger2005.pdf
Sept. 15: Impeachment Movement Comes to Washington
By plane, train, cars and buses thousands of ImpeachBush.org members are traveling from all 50 states to Washington DC for a massive march on September 15 demanding Impeachment and an end to the war in Iraq.
“Each and every one of us must do all that we can to support the major Peace/Impeachment demonstration in Washington, DC on September 15, 2007, backed by more than a million votes for impeachment, and accelerating. The rally will begin at 12 noon at the White House, followed by a march to the Capitol.”–Ramsey Clark
Please make a donation today by clicking this link.If you need a ride to DC it is urgent that you contact a volunteer transportation center in your area now and buy your bus ticket on one of the many chartered buses coming to Washington DC. Click this link to find a transportation center near you. The buses have to be paid for now so it is important that you make a reservation and get your ticket.
If you would like to be a transportation contact for your area, click this link.
If you cannot personally come to DC but want to help others come, please make a donation today by clicking this link. You can make a secure on-line donation or send a check.
Government Fines September 15 Organizers $10,000 for putting posters
One of the anti-war organizations mobilizing for the September 15 protest was fined $10,000 for putting up posters promoting the rally in Washington DC. This is an unprecedented action. The ANSWER Coalition is mobilizing political support and is filing a lawsuit against the DC government for this outrageous attempt to stifle the September demonstration. The group has said that it will not pay one penny for the exercise of its First Amendment rights.
Bush’s Interior Department is also threatening other large financial penalties against the group. The posters have been put up for earlier demonstrations. They conform to the government regulations and are completely legal. This is one more attack on Free Speech rights and an attempt to repress and criminalize those who are mobilizing against the Bush government.
The last thing Bush and Cheney want to see is a huge mass demonstration calling for Impeachment and End to the War at the moment that General David Petraeus makes his scheduled report to Congress about the “progress of the Iraq war.” Led by Iraq war veterans and their families, September 15 is shaping up as the biggest political showdown in recent years.
Please tell your friends and families to get on the bus and come to Washington DC on September 15.
We need to raise a huge amount of money for buses, posters, leaflets, sound and stage and the other expenses. We have no corporate funding. The ImpeachBush.org movement will succeed only because of the support from you and others who understand that impeachment is the defining issue for this country and its future. Please make a generous donation today.
Ramsey Clark, Cindy Sheehan are just a few of the well know speakers who will be addressing the September 15. Acting with resolve, We the People, can make the difference in the face of this transparent criminality by high government officials. But we must act right now.
From all of us at,
ImpeachBush.org/VoteToImpeach.org
I aggree littlejohn,
Problem is I can always get in to a Senators or Congressman’s office. I don’t have enough money to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.
Hank
Ummm Hasnt anybody heard yet?? Petraeus’ speech/report wont be HIS??? The White Huse is writing it for him, and now is wanting it to be delivered behind closed doors to Congress… This is a travesty!!
In light of this information on how returning Vets are being treated… I continue to say: Let’s Support Our Troops… Bring Them Home NOW!!!
HURRICANE DEAN UPDATE!
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 150 MPH…240 KM/HR…WITH HIGHERGUSTS. DEAN IS A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSONSCALE.
New Oleans appears to be safe – this time.
The good news is that OIL prices are dropping like a rock! Close to $70 today!
That is bad news on the oil Jim. My stocks are taking a licking, I’m afraid.
Hey Farmgirl, that you tube video on your 9:35 post is classified.
Cows (and chickens too), the secret weapon of the NRA!
Now everyone knows.
What happened to the Haiku? Why not leave a pointer behind?
I bet Bush saw to it that this trial would not be held until after Saddam was executed!Iraq trial revives bitter memories of “U.S. betrayal” By Ross Colvin1 hour, 31 minutes ago
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Fifteen former members of Saddam Hussein’s regime go on trial in a U.S.-backed court on Tuesday for their role in the crushing of a Shi’ite uprising in 1991, but many Shi’ites still talk bitterly of an American betrayal.
ADVERTISEMENTThe trial is likely to revive debate over former U.S. President George Bush’s decision not to invade Iraq after forcing Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in the 1991 Gulf War.
With no threat of invasion, Saddam was able to use his elite Republican Guard units to swiftly suppress uprisings in the Shi’ite south and Kurdish north that erupted just days after the February 28 ceasefire ending the Gulf War.
Bush has since argued that while he hoped a popular revolt would topple Saddam, he did not want to see the break-up of the Iraqi state and feared the collapse of the multi-national coalition, including Arab states, that he had assembled.
“I just want to laugh when I hear American politicians talk about spreading democracy in the Middle East. I ask them: “Why then did you allow Saddam to kill women and children when the Iraqi people revolted against his dictatorship?” said Mohammed al-Jawahiry, 32, a doctor in the southern city of Basra.
Saddam was eventually toppled in the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. President George W. Bush went further than his father, ostensibly in pursuit of weapons of mass destruction which have never been found.
Police in Basra said on Monday they had uncovered a mass grave containing 15 youths executed during the 1991 uprising. The grave was found during the repaving of a street.
“The bodies had gunshots to the head and, according to witnesses … they were executed by former regime death squads in 1991,” said Hayaniya police chief Colonel Karim Rheima.
In a farewell speech in March, the outgoing U.S. ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, said: “I feel we did not do the right thing after the war for the liberation of Kuwait and I felt we did the wrong thing in terms of leaving Iraq with sanctions and Saddam.”
RECORDS DESTROYED
The 15 men on trial include Saddam’s cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majeed, and two other senior military officers who have already been sentenced to death in a trial for the 1998 Anfal campaign against the Kurds that killed tens of thousands.
The alleged crimes include the torture and execution of suspects as Saddam’s forces sought to retake towns and cities that had fallen to the rebels. There are no clear figures for how many were killed in the crackdown which involved tanks.
A background briefing note compiled by U.S. officials involved in the trial said evidence included “tapes and after-action reports but few actual orders due to regime-ordered destruction of records. Destruction of records came from Saddam Hussein himself.”
In his book “A History of Iraq,” historian Charles Tripp said a “terrible revenge” was taken on the rebellious Shi’ite cities, which included the holy cities of Najaf and Kerbala and Basra, Nassiriya and Amara.
While Shi’ites on Monday welcomed the trial as a long overdue chance for justice, they viewed American involvement in the trial court, which has American advisers, with cynicism.
“Bush the father and his army were the main reason for the death of Iraqi people in 1991. Bush the father must be the first one who must be put on trial for what happened,” said Basra school teacher Nahla Razzaq.
On February 16, 1991, just days before the rebellions erupted in early March, Bush had called on “the Iraqi military and the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands, to force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside.”
“It is an American trick. Yesterday they allow the tyrant’s forces to hit central and southern Iraq and today prosecute them for these genocides,” Dhiya Hussein, 44, a resident of Najaf, said angrily.
Mystery of todays’ stock market decline explained!Bush, Harper, Calderon to tackle economy, security By Louise Egan2 hours, 19 minutes ago
MONTEBELLO, Quebec (Reuters) – North America’s leaders gather at a Canadian resort to promote integrated trade and security on Monday, a plan protesters outside the meeting say tramples on the rights of ordinary citizens.
ADVERTISEMENTU.S. President George W. Bush will also review the credit crunch and global market turmoil with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the two-day summit in Montebello, Quebec.
They are meeting as partners in the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, to develop what they have called a Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP.
That was drafted in 2005 after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 to try to ensure that North America is a safe place to live and do business. The seemingly innocuous move has upset activists on the left and the right who are concerned about a loss of national sovereignty.
Fences 3 meters (10 feet) high were erected around the hotel grounds to keep away anti-capitalist protesters expected to descend on Montebello, about 70 km (40 miles) east of Ottawa.
Convoys of school buses from Montreal and Ottawa were expected to bring some 2,000 protesters to the site shortly before the meetings begin.
The SPP’s critics say the talks are being carried out behind the backs of ordinary citizens and without any votes planned in the Canadian Parliament or U.S. Congress, yet in close consultation with corporate leaders.
“This summit represents the kinds of policies and politics that mean the entrenchment of poverty and control of people’s movements,” said Mandeep Dhillon of People’s Global Action of Montreal.
Christopher Sands, an expert on Canada at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the meeting was unlikely to produce major strides but would show that the United States was tending regional ties.
“The summit is a symbolic manifestation of the fact that Bush, the United States, is in fact paying attention to its neighbors and working on an agenda of mutual concern,” he said.
AGENDA
Bush will have separate one-on-one meetings with Harper and Calderon on Monday.
Canadian officials said they were likely to discuss Russia’s symbolic laying of claim to the North Pole, where it placed a flag on the seabed, as well as the war in Afghanistan, where Canada has committed 2,500 troops through February 2009.
The head of Canada’s opposition, Liberal leader Stephane Dion, says Harper should demand that NATO start finding a replacement for Canadian troops.
Bush and Harper were also expected to discuss the Middle East, Iran, climate change and the Doha trade negotiations.
Opposition politicians accuse Canada’s Conservative prime minister of being a Bush protege but Harper’s spokesman, Dimitri Soudas, said Liberal Paul Martin was in power when the SPP was set up.
For Bush and Calderon, it will be their first face-to-face meeting since U.S. immigration overhaul legislation collapsed in Congress and dealt a blow to a key issue for U.S.-Mexico relations.
The Bush administration said this month it would increase scrutiny and impose heftier fines on U.S. businesses that employ illegal immigrants.
The United States also will expand the visa term for professional workers from Mexico and Canada to three years from one year.
Calderon is monitoring Hurricane Dean, which was headed toward Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula, and a diplomatic source said no decision had been made yet on whether he would leave the meeting early to go to the storm region.
“There is no reason to rush it,” the source said.
What do you?
It is the same old everything is Bush fault regardless of logic and reason thread….
When will Clinton’s videotaped deposition be on You tube.
Only once does she bring up the topic of Gennifer Flowers, who claimed she had a 12-year affair with her husband, which he denied.
“He told me it wasn’t true,” Clinton wrote.
Six years later, President Clinton admitted a relationship with Flowers during a videotaped deposition about his affair with Lewinsky. Nowhere in her book does Clinton comment on that.
Boeing is trying to get ready for a 9/5 show and tell (except, this one is about flying and not just pretty pictures).
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=comm&id=news/aw082007p3.xml&headline=Boeing%20Readies%20Backup%20787%20Flight-Test%20Plans
Jeff and his Spirit were to ship a stuffed section but sent up one that was incomplete in order to get to the first show and tell.
So, Boeing, go to Jeff and determine his delta from which you can then extrapolate to the real figure.
Why doesn’t the Eagle start a haiku line about the 787 first flight?
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Will it fly or not?Some of us really want to know.Can Spirit stuff it?
Will it fly or not?Some of us would like to know.Can Spirit stuff it?
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Will it fly or not?787 Angst!Let’s say ‘when, not if’!!
Will it fly or not?Some of us would like to know.Can Spirit stuff it?
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Will it fly or not?787 Angst!Let’s say ‘when, not if’!!
Bill Clinton %&$(#$ around with bimbos and wannabes.
George Bush is %&$(*&^ the whole country.
I would take eight more years of Bill Clinton over eight more minutes of George Bush any day.
Amen WS!!!
the VA hospitals were a national disgrace right up until Clinton appointed Herschel Gomer to head the VA. He turned everything around and by 1994, the VA offered the best health care in the nation. Under Bush II, thousands of veteran’s have been booted from the system, it has been consistently under-funded by a Republican congress and it is being swamped by ever more vets in need of health care.
President Bush has fulfilled, and in many cases surpassed, commitments to veterans on four key issues:
Allowing Veteran Medicare Recipients to Continue Receiving TRICARE Benefits – The President signed the FY 2001 Defense Authorization Bill which allows veterans to continue to receive their TriCare health benefits even when they become Medicare eligible.
Timely Access to Quality Healthcare – The average time that a veteran has to wait to see a primary care physician has dropped 90% since 2001. The waiting list was 300,000 in 2001 and is now below 30,000. With the funding in the FY 2005 request, the VA will meet its goal scheduling non-urgent primary care for 93% of veterans within 30 days and 99% within 90 days.
Reduce the Backlog of Disability Claims – When President Bush took office, the number of claims waiting to be processed had soared to over 600,000 and as a result, many veterans were waiting an average of over 230 days for a claim to be processed. The VA has slashed its inventory of pending disability claims by 58% to 253,000 and reduced the average length of time it takes to process a claim by 30% to about 160 days. In 2005, 2.7 million veterans will receive $24.9 billion of these tax-free benefits from the VA.
Classify Diabetes as a Disability – The President proudly signed the Veterans Education and Benefits Expansion Act of 2001, which allowed diabetes to be considered a service-connected disability for veterans.
http://vets4bush.com/BushToVets.shtml
Isn’t it strange that Clinton did such a great job for vets but Bush had to clean up this mess left when he took over. If you want to know about what vets think ask a vet. They think that Bush has helped them in many ways.
I have 180 days of free medical care after my deployment to Iraq.
I have taken 5 seperate tests to see if I have and injuries or trauma from the war.
I have been personally screened 3 times, 2 in person and once over the phone by health professionals to see if I have any problems.
I could be the exception here, but this is the average treatment we all recieve after our deployment to Iraq.
It is possible for people to slip through the cracks, but to say nothing is being done and no one cares and that it is all Bush’s fault is simply not true.
How could Bush sign something for FY 2001?? Wouldnt that have been approved in 2000?? Bush didnt TAKE office until Jan. 2001…
Ah let me see Chas – Immmm don’t know? Do you have evidence that contradicts this report. If so let’s see it.
As the vets will tell you Chas the first thing Bush did was make things better for the vets. That is why they still support him.
That is also why no matter how much he tried Kerry couldn’t shut up the swift boaters. I know he served in Viet Nam.
“That is also why no matter how much he tried Kerry couldn’t shut up the swift boaters.”
Posted by: ksgrm | August 20, 2007 at 02:29 PM
Kerry didn’t have the power to “shut up” those liars. The media had that power.
Media could have easily exposed the lies and contradictions made by the swift boaters. But our dysfunctional corporate media instead helped them spread their lies.
One of many examples,’Post readers saw O’Neill contradicted—if they read down to paragraph 49:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh082304.shtml
Media did a similar thing to Al Gore, spreading all the lies about ‘Love Story’, farm chores, fancy hotel, Love Canal, etc.
“Countdown With Keith Olbermann” the highly rated cable news program, will be shown on network television on Sunday before a preseason NBC football game between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Since Mr. Olbermann will have a regular role in NBC’s football coverage once the season begins — appearing as a co-host on the pregame show “Football Night in America” on Sundays — this weekend’s appearance of his cable show will give a wider audience a look at what he has been up for the last four years. “ ‘Countdown’ is rocketing right now over at MSNBC — its ratings are going through the roof,” said Phil Griffin, senior vice president of NBC News.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/arts/20arts.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin
Olbermann is the only mainsteam reporter to ask about Bush’s assertion of “progress in Iraq,” “who is he EFFING kidding?”
Ratings going through the roof.
Priceless.
Cosmos I have listened to your rant about GW and have even modified my habits to become greener even though I don’t completely buy into your arguments.
But when you quote the Dailyhowler – for pete’s sake – get a grip. The swiftboaters weren’t exposed because they told the truth. As for Gore if he would quit making such absurd statements ‘I invented the internet’ – and his statement on love story he wouldn’t be such fodder for an obvious liberal media. His own state defeated him. The people who knew him best. That should tell any logical person something!
My, my, I found this item to be very interesting. Perhaps Pastor Chas can add his thoughts?
I will say this, “God” may have mercy on any government approved clergyman who tries to convince us to “behave” and give up our guns but I will NOT!
SHREVEPORT, LAHomeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared
Aug 15, 2007 07:07 PM EDT
Clergy to Help Government During Martial LawCould martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA News 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us.Charleton Heston’s now-famous speech before the National Rifle Association at a convention back in 2000 will forever be remembered as a stirring moment for all 2nd Amendment advocates. At the end of his remarks, Heston held up his antique rifle and told the crowd in his Moses-like voice, “over my cold, dead hands.”While Heston, then serving as the NRA President, made those remarks in response to calls for more gun control laws at the time, those words live on. Heston’s declaration captured a truly American value: An over-arching desire to protect our freedoms.But gun confiscation is exactly what happened during the state of emergency following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, along with forced relocation. U.S. Troops also arrived, something far easier to do now, thanks to last year’s elimination of the 1878 Posse Comitatus act, which had forbid regular U.S. Army troops from policing on American soil.If martial law were enacted here at home, like depicted in the movie “The Siege”, easing public fears and quelling dissent would be critical. And that’s exactly what the ‘Clergy Response Team’ helped accomplish in the wake of Katrina.Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff’s Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team’s mission, “the primary thing that we say to anybody is, ‘let’s cooperate and get this thing over with and then we’ll settle the differences once the crisis is over.’”Such clergy response teams would walk a tight-rope during martial law between the demands of the government on the one side, versus the wishes of the public on the other. “In a lot of cases, these clergy would already be known in the neighborhoods in which they’re helping to diffuse that situation,” assured Sandy Davis. He serves as the director of the Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13. Dr. Tuberville elaborated, “because the government’s established by the Lord, you know. And, that’s what we believe in the Christian faith. That’s what’s stated in the scripture.”Civil rights advocates believe the amount of public cooperation during such a time of unrest may ultimately depend on how long they expect a suspension of rights might last.
Story by Jeff Ferrell
180*
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987
So how is that any different from today?
ksgrm,
Do you enjoy your delusional fantasy world???
The swift boaters book contradicts itself on different pages.
You actually believe that “create” and “invent” are 100% exact synonyms?
And Gore, while talking to reporters, only repeated what a reporter had told him about ‘Love Story’. The reporter (NOT Gore) made the error about Tipper.
Gore was the preppy with family pressures part, Jones was the athlete.’Biography for Tommy Lee Jones’http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000169/bio“According to author Erich Segal, Jones and his then Harvard roommate Al Gore, were the models for the character of Oliver in Love Story (1970).”
Cosmos the point I was trying to make and maybe should have expounded on was that I could find substantiation for any view I might ever have on the internet. We each pick the sources we trust and I don’t pick ‘The Dailyhowler’ as one of mine. I believe you have said you don’t listen to Fox News.
I have heard about the seeming ‘variations’ in the book you referenced. I just don’t look at them like you do. To many Viet vets told the same story. Kerry had an agenda or he wouldn’t have taken a camcorder and typewriter to war with him.
By the way many have said Gore lost because of Florida. There would have been no reason for a recount if he could have carried his home state. They don’t believe in him. What does that say about him?
“But when you quote the Dailyhowler – for pete’s sake – get a grip. ”
Posted by: ksgrm | August 20, 2007 at 03:30 PM
Do you want to claim that the Dailyhowler’s criticism of the reporting of Bush’s Harken stock sale is inaccurate???
‘Readers want tall tales about Bush. We recommend two easy pieces.’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh071802.shtml
Hadn’t heard about the Posse Comitatus Act being repealed, until I saw that post by Gul Dukat.
GMC70, you’re one of the blog’s legal experts! You have any insight on this one?
Vaughn Tolle – you know about this?
HR 5122 was passed last October and looks very scary indeed!
This grants way too much power to the Federal Government!
John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR)
Ya gotta love the dems! Still whining about the ’stolen election’ in 2000. Still befuddled over Kerry’s loss in 2004. And now they are running against GWB in 2008!
The couldn’t beat him in 2000 or 2004, you’ld think they’d learn. But no, they are going to try and run against him until they win.
Yep, Princess Hildebeast, Her Thighness; ride that tired ol war horse to victory in ‘08!
It has to really suck to be a dem!
Hank
Cosmos have you heard the term ‘Even a blind sow will find an acorn every now and then’?
Well I apply this logic to the Dailyhowler.
Hank I heard something the other day that just floored me.
I took my grandson for a campus visit to a university in Iowa. As we were touring one of the buildings I noticed that one whole wall was a mural about ROTC. I asked if that was an active program and was told yes. I opined that I thought it was a very good program that promoted responsibility and respect in it’s participants.
The coach’s next words were, “I take it then that you are a republican”.
Is respect for our military so unusual in dems that it is recognized as a republican marker?
It is the same old everything is Bush fault regardless of logic and reason thread….
Posted by: Nathan | August 20, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Nathan, isn’t that irritating? It’s kind of like you republicans blaming everything on Clinton.
What comes around goes around.
Dear ksgrm,
Yes.
Hank
Hey XXX,
How’s the healing process going? You going to be able to lift that hand cannon in a month or so?
Hank
PS The boy loves it when you pick on him!
Max, it (the Act) wasn’t repealed. The Warner Act has added another exception, so to speak, which is not apparently limited by its terms to what was apparently intended (national emergencies resulting from natural disasters). I was unaware of this situation until called to my attention.
For one blogger’s take, see link:
http://renegadewaiter.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/dying-freedoms-alert-we-just-repealed-posse-comitatus/
BTW, the action of the Congress seems well within the parameters of the language of the Posse Comitatus Act. That said, the exception carved out by the Warner Act, IMHO, needs to be tightened up a bit, I don’t care who is in the White House.
Ksgrm, exactly what were you ranting at me about?? I mentioned something about an approval for something for FY 2001, and you sort of took off from there… Now, WHEN would an approval for FY 2001 be approved???
Gore NEVER claimed to invent the Internet… That is just a Reich Wingnut LIE of massive proportions… And, I dont think Kerry could have taken a camcorder to Nam with him either… I dont think they were available during those years???
The Dailyhowler accurately compares what was actually said/done to how it is mis-reported.
You can EASILY cross-check what the Howler posts by reading transcripts, other sources, etc.
“Cosmos the point I was trying to make and maybe should have expounded on was that I could find substantiation for any view I might ever have on the internet.”
Posted by: ksgrm | August 20, 2007 at 04:02 PM
Okay, try to find credible “substantiation” that:
Gore (and Jones) were not models for ‘Love Story’.
Gore didn’t only repeat what a reporter told him re “Love Story’.
Gore didn’t say (re Love Canal): “… and Toone, Tennessee, that was the one that you didn’t hear of. But that was the one that started it all.”(the students have a video of him saying that)
The NY Times and Wa Po did not misquote that into a boast: “I was the one that started it all.”
Gore did not do hard work on the farm during the summer.
The place Gore lived in D.C. was a fancy luxury hotel many years ago, and has not been remodeled twice since then.
Have fun…
Okay, now you gun-nuts have gotten me wanting to buy a pistol.
What do you think of the .357 Colt Army replica?
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/saarmy357.asp
It’s single action . . .
Well Chas didn’t realize I was ranting. Why don’t you tell me when it should be approved?
Are you trying to say that spending item can’t be adding to a spending bill that has already been approved?
Why, CapN, I never!!! LOL
WHEN does the FY 2001 actually start, Ksgrm??
Hey Captain,
What do you want it for?
I like it, but it’s not very practical.
Hank (admitted gun nut)
Goodness sakes… The Blog is so nice and civil today!! Isnt this nice??
Well Chas that would be January 1 wouldn’t it? But are you saying no additional money will be spent on on the other 364 days?
Perhaps the good capn is worried about 300lb skinheads hopped up on meth?
Ksgrm, Calendar years begin on January 1… Fiscal years begin well before that… I believe…
My point was that Bush couldnt have signed off on something for FY 2001, since he wasnt elected yet when it would have been signed.
Chas,
What’s interesting is that media ignored Gore’s comment for two days.
‘INVENTING INVENTED THE INTERNET! No one said Boo about Gore’s remark. Then, the RNC spin-points arrived:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml“With remarkable speed, the tendentious claim became Standard Issue. All over the press corps, pundits accused Gore of having said he invented the Net. The high (or low) point in this growing burlesque came in a June 2 USA Today story. In a report about problems with Gore’s early campaign, Mimi Hall penned this laughable — but completely inexcusable — account of what Gore had said:
HALL: A couple of Gore gaffes, including his assertion that he “invented” the Internet, didn’t help.
And yes, incredibly, that’s the way Hall wrote it; the one word Hall put inside quotes was the one word which Gore never said!”
So, Cosmos, maybe we should get that little error fixed at least on THIS Blog… and get a few factual matters straight, you suppose???
Geez, ksgrm, I thought FY 2001 started October 1, 2000.
I realize that appropriations bills for the new fiscal year are often approved after October 1. I’m also aware that there are often supplemental expenditures approved by Congress after the passage of the overall spending bill for the fiscal year, but this is generally not considered a part of the original bill.
Clark, looks like a great gun to me. What was the original caliber though? 45 Colt?
357 is more practical for sure.
VT I was debating with Chas how Bush could have spent money in fiscal year 2001. Of course he could have approved money for this year. Budget revisions go on endlessly until the end of the fiscal year when the numbers turn into actual dollars spent. Budgets where I worked were referred to as ’spending suggestions’ because they were changed so frequently.
I guess I am misunderstanding Chas’ point.
VT a fiscal year can start at any given point. Our company’s FY starts on June 1. To many variables here for me I guess.
Understand, ksgrm; the federal FY begins on October 1. Kansas FY begins on July 1. Just for general information.
Ksgrm, the funds you wanted to give Bush credit for, in FY2001, were in reality already approved by Clinton, in 2000… BEFORE Bush was elected… THAT was my point… You cant get DeCartes before de Horse
Here ya go Cosmos >>>>
Al Gore, 3/9/99: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.Newt Gingrich, 9/1/00: Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet.
David Maraniss, 8/26/00: Gore really was instrumental in developing the Internet. He was the one congressman who understood the whole thing in the ’70s.
Thanks Vaughn. The language is to broad for my comfort, not matter who the President is.
Don’t like to copy large stuff, but this potentially can turn us quickly into a police state.
Here’s the applicable section:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-5122&show-changes=0
SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.(a) Use of the Armed Forces Authorized-(1) IN GENERAL- Section 333 of title 10, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:`Sec. 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law`(a) Use of Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies- (1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to–`(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that–`(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and`(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or`(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).`(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that–`(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or`(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.`(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.`(b) Notice to Congress- The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.’.
“For IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 25, 2001Congress Passes FY 2001 Defense Authorization BillIncludes funding for PAC-3, Fort Bliss Housing, New Water Tanks, and White Sands”
This was the lead for this article. It happened on Sept 25, 2001 unless the congressional record is wrong.
It’s been fun chas but I have to go. Life calls.
Couldn’t resist:
David Maraniss, 8/26/00: Gore really was instrumental in developing the Internet. He was the one congressman who understood the whole thing in the ’70s.
Posted by: Chas. | August 20, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Knowing what I know about Gore this doesn’t say much about the rest of the congress.
300lb skinheads are a slow moving target, I’d recommmend large caliber semi-auto, black talon ammo.
Hank
Ok Ksgrm… that clears that up then… have a good evening!!
BUT… GORE still NEVER said he invented the Internet… However, he was given much credit for getting the basics of it off and running….
So, all of the lies, to this DAY (I heard it again on Hannity) that make that claim are all FALSE… DIRECT and intentional LIES… Pure propaganda of Goebbelian proportions!!
And I suspect there is more yet to follow!!
Anybody notice an absence of certain posters today?? Hmmmm….
Why not 12 gauge 00 or 000 buckshot? Or slugs?
“Knowing what I know about Gore this doesn’t say much about the rest of the congress.”
Posted by: ksgrm | August 20, 2007 at 05:36 PM
I doubt that you know much of anything about Gore.
Gore pushed for development of fiber-optics long ago, supercomputers, educational networks, Internet software, etc. Those are all VERY important today.
Some well-deserved recognition,
http://www.webbyawards.com/press/press-release.php?id=107“(June 8, 2005) Former Vice President Al Gore finally got credit for the pivotal role he played in the development of the internet.
At Monday night’s 9th Annual Webby Awards in New York City, Gore was greeted with a standing ovation by more than 550 industry leaders as Vint Cerf, one of the inventors of the internet, presented him the Webby Lifetime Achievement Award.
Like all winners, Gore kept his remarks within the Webbys famous five-word speech limit.
“Please don’t recount this vote”‘ deadpanned Gore, as the room erupted in laughter and applause.”
ANOTHER REPUBLICAN BITES THE DIRT!
Today it has been reported that Leona Helmsely died. You remember her don’t you? The rich hotel socialite that once said “only little people pay taxes”. Another Republican taking the maggot nap!
Dear Max,
I’m a dog lover. Black talon ammo fragments in the body, does a lot of internal damage and won’t go through a skinhead or a wall. (less chance of killing a dog)
I do, however have a good old reliable 870 loaded with double ought buck for riot control in the house just in case. Nothing like the sound of an 870 racking one in the chamber to fill a crack head’s heart with fear in the dark!
Hank
Good point Hank. Hadn’t considered the wall damage factor. If it’s inside, I’d hate to have to replaster and repaint too much.
I still have some 9mm Black Talon’s somewhere. Got em right after they were banned! Much nastier then a reglar bullet.
It would feel so much better to be shot with a plain old round nose bullet.
Yep Hank, y’all might need a riot gun filled with double ought buchshot. There seems to be a lot of riots about these a’days.
YOU are a gun nut and a main reason gun control laws are needed.
Kev I’ll go you one better. I guess demos think airport rules apply to everyone but them. Remember Cynthia McKinney – well guess what happened today. By the way he is a demo althought the article didn’t lead with that info.
“WASHINGTON — California Rep. Bob Filner was facing charges Monday for allegedly assaulting an airline worker at Dulles International Airport after becoming upset that his luggage had not arrived at a baggage carousel.”
Mr. and Mrs. Bob Wise entered our business to discuss a letter they received,” Schermerhorn wrote in his statement to police. “Mr. Wise was upset and made threats. He said if he had to come back, he would come with a gun. He further stated that he understood how people could get mad enough to shoot everybody.”
Guess what?
He is a Republican County Commissioner.
Damn, what a surprise.
It wasn’t that long ago you bragged about the ‘peace’ you had attained.
Was it just a fleeting moment?
Ksgrm, please try to retain some civility when posting.
Ft. Wayne, Indiana….
The city’s Republican mayoral candidate appeared in court Thursday to face accusations he violated campaign finance laws and that he lied to a grand jury.
Allen Superior Court Judge Fran Gull entered not guilty pleas on behalf of Matt Kelty, a common procedure at initial hearings in Indiana. A grand jury on Tuesday indicted Kelty, 42, on nine charges related to how he reported $158,000 in loans to his campaign for mayor in Indiana’s second largest city.
Great Kev, you celebrate the DEATH of a republican.
Perfect example of kind and compassionate Democrats.
Bad Dog, you are a perfect example of why we need the 2nd Amendment.
“Kev I’ll go you one better. I guess demos think airport rules apply to everyone but them. Remember Cynthia McKinney – well guess what happened today. By the way he is a demo althought the article didn’t lead with that info.
“WASHINGTON — California Rep. Bob Filner was facing charges Monday for allegedly assaulting an airline worker at Dulles International Airport after becoming upset that his luggage had not arrived at a baggage carousel.”
If you noticed we replaced Cynthia McKinney last election with Hank Johnson- also a Democrat. We also replaced the nutty Gus Savage with a Democrat named Mel Reynolds who tunred out to have a liking for teenage girls so we replaced him with Jesse Jackson Jr. The point is that we usually replace our nutcases and molestors- not try to re-elect them like the republicans do.
“Great Kev, you celebrate the DEATH of a republican.
Perfect example of kind and compassionate Democrats.”
Just as they celebrate the deaths of Democrats. I remember how they partied when Paul Wellstone died. How they rejoiced in his death. Same with Mayor HArold Washington (D Chicago)
The latest Republican to come tumbling out of the closet is Glenn Murphy, chairman of the Clark County Republican Party and president of the Young Republican National Federation. Murphy quit both those jobs last week – not because he’s gay, but because police are investigating him for “criminal deviate conduct – potentially a class B felony – after speaking with a 22-year-old man who claimed that on July 31, Murphy performed an unwanted sex act on him while the man slept in a relative’s Jeffersonville home,”
John McCain’s Florida co-chairs had been arrested after cruising for sex in a park restroom. According to the cops, here’s what happened
In a written statement released Thursday, Titusville Officer Danny Kavanaugh recalled entering the restroom twice and said he was drying his hands in a stall when Allen peered over the stall door.
After peering over the stall a second time, Allen pushed open the door and joined Kavanaugh inside, the officer wrote. Allen muttered “hi,” and then said, “this is kind of a public place, isn’t it,” the report said.
The officer said he asked Allen about going somewhere else and that the legislator suggested going “across the bridge, it’s quieter over there.”
“Well look, man, I’m trying to make some money; you think you can hook me up with 20 bucks?” Kavanaugh asked Allen.
The officer said Allen responded, “Sure, I can do that, but this place is too public.”
Then Kavanaugh said he told Allen, “I wanna know what I gotta do for 20 bucks before we leave.” He said Allen replied: “I don’t know what you’re into.”
According to Kavanaugh’s statement, the officer said, “do you want just (oral sex)?” and Allen replied, “I was thinking you would want one.”
The officer said he then asked Allen, “but you’ll still give me the 20 bucks for that … and that the legislator said, “yeah, I wouldn’t argue with that.”
As Allen turned and motioned for the officer to follow him to his car, Kavanaugh identified himself as a police officer by raising his shirt and exposing his badge.
Chuckle… WS’s story is from early July. WS, recycling is good for papers and cans, not your pretend breaking news stories.
tsk tsk attacking the messenger, and diverting from the message… mercy sakes… a republican diversionary tactic…
The Administration is showing once again it is shameless in its exploitation of the 9/11 tragedy!White House: Iraq progress report could be Sept 11 Mon Aug 20, 12:56 PM ET
ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (Reuters) – U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, will likely testify to Congress about progress in the war on September 11 or September 12, the White House said on Monday.
ADVERTISEMENTWhite House spokesman Gordon Johndroe, speaking on Air Force One headed with President George W. Bush to a summit in Canada, said the hearing date was not related to the anniversary of the 2001 attacks.
The September progress report is seen in Washington as a pivotal milestone in assessing whether the Pentagon’s so-called surge strategy has worked. That strategy has aimed to establish enough security to allow Iraqi politicians to move toward reconciliation.
The report was due on September 15, a Saturday. Johndroe said congressional schedules would likely dictate a September 11 or September 12 hearing date
A minister supporting deception. Chas… tsk, tsk, tsk…
What I want to know is, did William the Slick or Hog Futures Hillary pay for Gennifer Flowers’ abortion?Maybe it doesn’t matter much which paid, but – it matters.
Outlander, using the Republican “old news” routine.
The speech George W. Bush SHOULD give:
Normally, I start these things out by saying “My Fellow Americans.” Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don’t know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you’re really not fellow Americans any longer.
I’ll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there’s been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.
The reason I’m quitting is simple. I’m fed up with you people.
I’m fed up because you have no understanding of what’s really going on in the world. Or of what’s going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
Let’s start local. You’ve been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that’s despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners.And while we’re mentioning minorities, I’ll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I’ve mentioned all those things before, but it doesn’t seem to have sunk in.
Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there’s increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.
We face real threats in the world. Don’t give me this “blood for oil” thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would’ve already seized Iraq ’s oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don’t give me this ‘Bush Lied – People Died’ crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could’ve easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be ‘discovered.’ Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named ‘ Clinton ‘ established that policy. Bet you didn’t know that, did you?
You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.
That’s not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don’t care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That’d be fine, as long as they weren’t also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.
You should be grateful that they haven’t gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you’re not. That’s because you’ve got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that.When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I’m disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of ‘Survivor’. Instead, you’ve grown impatient. You’re incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.
Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat’s political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well Fedex a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.
In this day and age, it’s easy enough to find the truth. It’s all over the Internet. It just isn’t on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you’d be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.
I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you’re too stupid to leave a city that’s below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I’ve come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.
So I quit. I’m going back to Crawford. I’ve got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I’m done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I’ll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.
Oh, and by the way, Cheney’s quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there’re just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.
So that’s it. God bless what’s left of America . Some of you know what I mean.
Parkay, why do you care so much about what women do with their bodies.
A minister supporting deception. Chas… tsk, tsk, tsk…
Posted by: outlander | August 20, 2007 at 09:41 PM
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OK — where do you find deception in what I said??? FIND it!!!
Parkay, what evidence do you even have that Ms. Flowers even HAD an abortion??? Got any proof???
“WS’s story is from early July”
Jeez, that was what – five weeks ago?
Who the Hell said it was breaking news – certainly not me.
God, please tell me that my dreams have come true and Bush and Cheney are actually quitting!
That’s OK Clark… they keep throwing up stuff like Jennifer Flowers, and stuff Clinton did – And that sure isnt breaking news either!! ROFL!!
Nawww WS that’s just some pipe dream of “Pine Lake” Isnt Pine Lake some fake town from one of the Soap Operas??? Wonder what is smokin in that pipe dream?? LOL
Leahy getting tired of the old stonewall, procrastinating white house.Leahy threatens Bush aides with contempt By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer21 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – A top Senate Democrat on Monday threatened to hold members of the Bush administration in contempt for not producing subpoenaed information about the legal justification for President Bush’s secretive eavesdropping program.
ADVERTISEMENT”When the Senate comes back in the session, I’ll bring it up before the committee,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “I prefer cooperation to contempt. Right now, there’s no question that they are in contempt of the valid order of the Congress.”
Leahy’s committee on June 27 subpoenaed the Justice Department, National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president for documents relating to the National Security Agency’s legal justification for the wiretapping program.
White House lawyer Fred Fielding, in a Monday letter to Leahy, said that the administration needed more time.
“A core set of highly sensitive national security and related documents we have so far identified are potentially subject to claims of executive privilege and that a more complete collection and review of all materials responsive to the subpoenas will require additional time,” Fielding said.
Leahy said they had waited long enough.
“It has been almost two months since service of the subpoenas, three weeks since the time they asked for additional time. And still, we have nothing at all,” Leahy said.
Leahy also questioned whether the Senate would again reauthorize laws that expand the government’s authority to spy on foreigners without the subpoenaed information.
Congress, before it left for its August recess, approved an update to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, allowing the government to eavesdrop on terror suspects overseas without first getting a court warrant.
The overhaul was the result of a recent Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ruling that banned eavesdropping on foreigners when their messages were routed though communications carriers based in the United States.
The provisions expire after six months, but the White House wants them made permanent.
“For Congress to legislate effectively in this area, it has to have full information about the executive branch’s interpretations of FISA,” Leahy said. “We cannot, and certainly, we should not legislate in the dark, where the administration hides behind a fictitious veil of secrecy.”
The White House said it was not looking for a conflict with Congress over FISA.
“Extending and modernizing FISA is critical to our national security, and our intelligence professionals consider it imperative that we do not weaken the tools they feel are necessary to protect America’s national security interests,” White House spokesman Tony Fratto said.
Leahy also indicated that the committee would continue to seek recently resigned White House adviser Karl Rove’s appearance on the U.S. attorney firings.
Fielding has said President Bush would invoke executive privilege to keep Rove from answering questions or submitting documents to Senate Judiciary Committee. The committee has been investigating whether the White House ordered the prosecutor firings in ways that might help Republicans in elections.
“I don’t think he had a valid claim of executive privilege, because all the testimony has been it wasn’t discussed with the president. If it wasn’t discussed with the president, there’s no executive privilege,” Leahy said. “And they’ve just lost the other claim they could make that he’s too important to the operation of the White House to be able to take time to testify. That’s not going to be the case anymore.”
Outlander cant provide an answer as to where I used any d deception, so Outlander has crawled back into a hole again…
‘UN chief says U.S. is finally listening to urgent call to arms on climate change’http://www.desmogblog.com/un-chief-says-u-s-is-finally-listening-to-urgent-call-to-arms-on-climate-change“U.S. participation will be key to any new framework on climate change, and Ban has told Japan’s Asahi Shimbun that, due to growing perception and awareness among the international community on global warming, the U.S. has been changing its tune and is expected to be more cooperative.”
Umm… Chas: It’s deceptive to pretend that you don’t know how you supported deception.
YOU outlander are quite full of S**t… I have said nothing deceptive here… NOTHING… and you STILL cant show it, so you drag out your tired, old worn out Ad Hominem’s — AS USUAL!!! So much for the absence of the Kahn!!!
OUTSTANDING SPEECH BY GEORGE BUSH, er PINE LAKE!
APPLAUSE!
APPLAUSE!
APPLAUSE!
Ksgrm, please try to retain some civility when posting.
Posted by: Michael | August 20, 2007 at 06:48 PM
Michael what did I do that wasn’t civil.
This blog certainly goes downhill at night. Wonder why?
All the drunk non-working Liberals get home and blog.
They were too ugly to be picked-up at 10 pm in the bars.
Oh ok.
And KSGrm claims to be civil? Isn’t that kind of like Bush claiming to be a “uniter” and not a “divider?”
WSClark – why don’t you go back and defend our boy Obama? And Hillary too?
Dfending Obama from what?? OUTRIGHT LIES, such as he converted to Christianity??? He was never a Muslim… NEVER…
And Hillary??? She voted for the use of FORCE… and she has never wavered from it… She has NEVER said she voted FOR the war before she voted AGAINST the war… Those are nice RNC talking points, but they dont hold water… THAT is one of the reasons Rush Ohannity Reilly are afraid of!!
They cant attack her on her military support — it is impeccable!!
She even worries some Dems because of her position on the War…
Hank–
Target shooting.
For home invasion, I’m like you–I got a pump shotgun and other assorted long guns.
I should probably just get a .22 since they’re the cheapest rounds to fire. I don’t like the idea of 50 cents going up in smoke every time I pull the trigger, heh.
Max–
I respect your knowledge of guns, but for the 100th time, I am not Clark.
Nobody thinks I am Clark except for you.
Ask Hank or Nathan or outlander or anybody else on your side of the aisle.
Clark seems like a good guy and somebody I generally agree with, but I am not him, nor am I Steven D. or Rage or CF2K or Tom.
This is the only nic I’ve used since last the middle of August last year. Really.
Thank you.
Horst, dont you realize that the good ole USofA is just about the only place in the world where you can get away with making dumb, racist, idiotic posts like yours on a public Blog, or anywhere else??? Most countries would have you behind bars by now… You better thank your Constitution and the ACLU for your freedom!!!
Good Morning Captain,
I recently bought my wife a real sweet Barretta .22 semi-auto pistol for target practice.
A really nice pistol, inexpensive and accurate. A block of 500 rounds of ammo for about $15.
And Max, Captain ain’t Clark. Clark wets his pants any time some one mentions guns.
Hank
Thank you, Hank.
My uncle had one of those. Will have to check it out.
Horst–
FYI, I will no longer dignify your flamebait with a response.
Can’t remember what I paid for it, less than $250.
Hank
Sorry Capn, didn’t intend to call you Clark.
I’m bad with names. Call my kids by number 1, 2, and 3. Was raised the same way. Dad called us 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
As for guns, actually my favorite gun to shoot is my Browning Buckmark .22.
Best targe ammo is Remington Golden Bullets (around $9 at Walmart for a brick of 550). Works out to less then 2 cents a bullet. (Federal’s seem to misfire more)
At the gun club, (where everybody gets a chance to shoot everybody’s guns) I’ve shot the Ruger 22, and the S&W 22, and neither fit my hand as well or shot as well as the Buckmark.
The Beretta looks interesting though I haven’t tried one, yet.
The 22’s are cheap and fun to shoot, and you don’t pick up casings! Can have a nice afternoon shoot going through 200 or 300 rounds for under $6!
Some how, when the boy got out of the Marines, around 500 or so various targets showed up at the house.
Should last me until next May.
Hank
It took some beer and a cooperative Target shed attendant at the Range in Camp Lejeune in NC. Then I got a box of targets!
Clinton Campaign Sign targets?
LOL
No Max, Just your standard NRA Pistol targets.
“We also replaced the nutty Gus Savage with a Democrat named Mel Reynolds who tunred out to have a liking for teenage girls so we replaced him with Jesse Jackson Jr. ”
Kev, Savage may have been a nut (and yeah, he did have conspiracies running out of his ears), but he was the first American politician I heard taking AIPAC head-on. I didn’t even know what “AIPAC” was.
So I thank him for that.