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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 18, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Wow, looks like last night’s open thread was another piece of work. I always wanted to wade through 200 posts of “f you” then “no, f you” to get to one or two worthwhile posts.
If just TWO posters disappeared, I wonder how many hits this blog would get? Maybe we could get them their own blog…
Oh, and the phelps family could join them there…
KFGThese blogs are exactly what WE wants.
They have the power to clean them up or not. WE chooses NOT.
Really, there are maybe 15-20 regular posters overall. What’s the point?
Should WE spend thousands of dollars so a few people can mentally masturbate with each other?
Like most things in Wichita, KS, it’s easier to let it go and follow the status quo than to strive for excellence.
Violent group of pro-llfers in the USA I’d say. From what I know God is not with you on this deal and your hateful overtones. God might ask you to pray for support of your hateful acts not only against certain clinics but against the women whom they are directed. Moreover the hateful Operation Rescue leadership and members maybe should be seeking therapy.
As i said God is not with Operation Rescue or other so called pro life operations and the hateful mission anymore than God gave the supposedly “born again 1984” George W. Bush permission to march around the world killing people in Iraq or Afghanistan. Or Blackwater Inc group of mercenaries who leadership is also ‘born again” permission to become a Bush sidekick in the killing of Islam believers in the mideast. What all seem to have in common is the practice of Christian Facism.
It is true that Wal-Mart is not the only one who buys chinese made products with USA names forged on them. Which means why buy from Wal-Mart when those products can be purchased most anywhere. This household quit shopping Wal-Mart fours years ago because everything Wal-Mart sells is available elsewhere,there was not a huge savings if any at all,service is better elsewhere,gasoline prices further reduced any savings to almost none at hall and their practice of screwing american workers out of jobs.
What Wal-Mart has done to many large corporations is agreed to buy USA made products to be placed on Wal-Mart shelves. After these corporations have adjusted labor and materials accordingly to meet the Wal-Mart demand and effectively became addicted to Wal-Mart selling power Wal-Mart then dictates to these brand name suppliers the price Wal-Mart will pay for THEIR products. If totally american based corporations would not meet the Wal-Mart dictated wholesale price the products would no longer be allowed on Wal-Mart shelves. Thus in an effort to keep american NAMED companies from going totally bankrupt companies cave in and move production to China to meet the Wal-Mart dictated price thus thousands of our american brothers and sisters lose their jobs each time this happens. I know of no other company that has used this tactic.
Sooner or later millions of americans have lost their good paying jobs and Wal-Mart does not give a damn. Explain to me,anyone, how millions of americans without their good paying jobs is healthy for the USA economy. Levis is one such company that shut down five factories and was considered one of the absolute best american corporations with regard to salary and benefits. That famous pickle company was another. What americans have done is reduced USA economic impact and increased Chinese Government Economic Impact by supporting Wal-Mart business practices. NO country can afford the loss of millions of good paying jobs to another country NOT even the USA. The Chinese Government has a firm grip on the USA economy…why is america supporting such nonsense?
The hurricane season is here again and again we have to ask ourselves the same question and that is this: should people who choose to live in a coastal hurricane prone area be made to pay for insurance that reflects the risk to their property or should the big insurance companies practice “risk dispersement” where everybody in the whole country pays somewhat higher rates to cover lower rates for coastal residents? I happen to be one that believes that the risk should be borne by people based upon the choice they make as a place to live- whether in a hurricane prone area, an earthquake zone or a wildfire risk. After all people in Kansas and Nebraska don’t get to enjoy warm tropical winters at the beach nor do they enjoy spectacular mountain views. So why should such people in effect subsidize those who do? That may sound a bot “selfish” but in my case it is not since the area I live in is a “low moderate” risk for hurricane damage and in fact both hurricane Dennis and Ivan did quite a bit of flooding and wind damage here. But since the beach is a 3 hour drive from my house the winters relatively warm with no snow, it is an acceptable risk to me. I however probably would not choose a coastal city to live in because the risk are higher.
Yo GMC! :D
“TV Critic
A judge in Butler County, Kentucky is telling jurors they cannot watch any of the “CSI” or “Law and Order” shows while involved in a case. Common Pleas judge Patricia Oney says the programs can create unrealistic expectations for jurors about what can and cannot be done with evidence.
Judges and lawyers have been dealing with what’s called “CSI Blowback” for nearly a decade. One assistant prosecutor tells a Kentucky newspaper that “CSI” is to forensics what “Star Trek” is to space travel.”
Go and sin no more John Edwards! Shame!
“Subprime Mortgages
Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards has been a big critic of subprime lenders. But the Wall Street Journal has identified 34 New Orleans homes whose owners have faced foreclosure suits from companies affiliated with Fortress Investment Group, a company that Edwards once worked for and which still manages about $16 million of his money.
The paper reports Edwards now says he will personally provide financial assistance to the New Orleans residents affected and is also promising to cleanse his portfolio of any investments that profit from their losses.”
Republicans Murder KC Woman!
No they didn’t throw her over the balconey where she crashed to her death. Her husband did that because he couldn’t afford her huge medical bills. But this would not have happened in Canada, the EU, France, Austrailia or even Cuba because people in those countries don’t drown in medical bills. But as long as the Republicans are in charge here, health care will be only for the rich and the very poor. Not for the working man!http://www.newsvantage.com/perl/p/wed/av/Uus-balcony.RX4H_HaG.html?day=Thu&yqy&g=tw.top
The paper reports Edwards now says he will personally provide financial assistance to the New Orleans residents affected and is also promising to cleanse his portfolio of any investments that profit from their losses.”
Good for John Edwards! He is able to admit when he is wrong and take steps to correct his errors.
If only Republicans were so willing to repent their evil ways instead of gleefully killing our American citizens and laughing about it the way Dick Cheney has done.
Shades of 2001? Afghan, U.S. Forces Pound Tora BoraU.S. forces and Al Qaeda battle again on the Tora Bora mountain range.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3486353
KABUL (Reuters) – U.S. and Afghan air and ground forces pounded al Qaeda militants for a second day on Thursday in the Tora Bora mountains close to the Pakistan border where Osama bin Laden once fled in the wake of the 2001 invasion.
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Aaaannnnndddd They’re OFF!!!
What the…
Mistake in Arkansas Law Allows Any Age to Marry if Parents Agree
Friday, August 17, 2007Associated Press
“LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — A law passed this year allows Arkansans of any age — even infants — to marry if their parents agree, and the governor may have to call a special session to fix the mistake, lawmakers said Friday.
The legislation was intended to establish 18 as the minimum age to marry but also allow pregnant teenagers to marry with parental consent, bill sponsor Rep. Will Bond said. An extraneous “not” in the bill, however, allows anyone who is not pregnant to marry at any age if the parents allow it.
“It’s clearly not the intent to allow 10-year-olds or 11-year-olds to get married,” Bond said. “The legislation was screwed up.”
The bill reads: “In order for a person who is younger than eighteen (18) years of age and who is not pregnant to obtain a marriage license, the person must provide the county clerk with evidence of parental consent to the marriage.”
A code revision commission — which fixes typographical and technical errors in laws — had tried to correct the mistake, but a group of legislators said Friday the commission went beyond its powers.
“You’re either pregnant or you’re not pregnant,” Sen. Dave Bisbee said. “Rarely will that be a typographical error.”
The Arkansas Legislative Council asked the independent commission to reverse its correction. Several lawmakers said a special session may be necessary.
“We need a special session to fix this,” Sen. Sue Madison said. “I am concerned about pedophiles coming to Arkansas to find parents who are willing to sign a very young child’s consent.”
Before the new law took effect July 31, girls could get married with parental consent at 16 and boys at 17.
The Legislature formally adjourned its session in May and is not scheduled to meet again until January 2009, unless Gov. Mike Beebe calls a special session.”
>>Good for John Edwards! He is able to admit when he is wrong and take steps to correct his errors.<<
This one made me laugh. Everyone please be sure to check your 401K’s and retirement funds to make sure they aren’t investing in anything that people may have made bad choices and lost money, please be sure to pay it back.
And if any of those retirement account investments were with any of the oil or gas companies, please be sure to send me a check. I’d say about 10 bucks from every investor would do. Thanks.
Oh by the way, didn’t I hear that John Edwards grew up dirt poor? Yet today he is a very successful lawyer and politician and running for President.
How did this happen?
I can only assume he got his education and worked hard and made sound decisions. As a white man, I don’t believe he would have received any type of assistance such as affirmative action.
So why is it he doesn’t think EVERYONE in America should have to reach the American Dream the way he did, instead of it being handed to them by the government or wealth re-distribution?
Yes Gene Ralston,
That’s why John Edwards charges $50,000 to give a speech on the poor now.
Fortunately, when President Clinton inherits all the Presidential powers that Bush claimed for himself, and has a rubberstamp Democratic Congress, she will take the lead in fixing these problems that the Republicans created.
Perhaps she will also find time to declare rightwingnut Republicans as enemy combatants and ship them off to third world countries for internment.
That would be nice, FCS!!!
You are blaming the woman’s death on the Republicans and Health Care status in the USA? I don’t believe it, but I shouldn’t be surprise.
Just because you have an ill spouse and her medical bills are mounting, doesn’t give you any right to commit murder. There are tons of programs that would have helped them out. The guy threw her out the window, because he’s psychologically disturbed and he didn’t want to take care of her anymore.
If you want Socialize Government-run Health Care, the woman wouldn’t be cured or any better. In a matter of fact, she would probably be a lot worse or already dead awaiting her turn for medicine and treatment. But the guy would have still thrown her out the window, because he didn’t want to take care of a blind dependent spouse.
You leftist who advocate for full government health care, you have to remember, that the level of care doesn’t improve. It actually gets worse. Yeah! Everybody is covered, but it doesn’t improve health care.
So why go towards it? Because you want to get it for free right? Nothing free! You’ll pay for it in taxes and the cost of everything else will reflect the increase tax.
Do we need some changes and reform of our health care system? Sure we do! Do we need to scrap it and adopt a Socialist model? Hell no! Just look how the government runs our public school system. You want that to take over health care?
Listen to this segment of Fresh Air from NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11826524
I certainly would NOT blame republicans for the woman’s death in KC…. That is clearly the fault of her husband, who does seem to be totally discombobulated over his wife’s extensive illness… It does get hard to deal with the costs of extensive, long, and catastrophic illness of a spouse, or a child… BUT… MURDER is not the answer…
Somewhere, this poor man slipped through all of the cracks that were glaring WARNING SIGNS that something was about to explode in his life… maybe his relatives missed it… maybe his doctors missed it… maybe his clergy missed it….
He slipped through the cracks… Apparently, he had a good insurance program… And many insurance programs have an “out of pocket maximum” above which ALL expenses are covered… Perhaps his insurance didnt have that, or perhaps he didnt know about it….
MURDER is still NOT the answer, and I hope we dont hear this “Blame it on Republicans” or Blame it on Democrats” BS on this sad, sad case….
Blame it on ANYbody who was in contact with this man and his wife, who let them both slip through their fingers!!!
But FIRST and foremost… Blame it on the husband who pushed his wife over the railing of the apartment building…
“There are tons of programs that would have helped them out.”Posted by: Joe Williams | August 18, 2007 at 08:53 AM
Joe! Maybe you’d care to name a few of these “tons of programs”?
Yes Joe, if as you say, there are tons of programs for medical assistance then who pays for them?
Does the government already have a socialist health care system in place?
Social Security Disability InsuranceMedicaidMissouri Health Insurance PoolMany Federal and State medical assistant programs to help people of low-income.
Regardless! Government Health Care isn’t free and services delivered is worse.
But it helps the poor, because they are the ones that benefit from Government Care! Well! They already help the poor.
She was already on government programs and supplemental income from the Government. If her medical bills were higher than her income, she should have petition the government to give her more money to cover the cost.
If they refused! Then that is a Government Health Care failure.
Christ! It does! A great percentage of health care delivered are government run and sponsored. Unfortunately, that is were all the medical fraud comes from too.
Medicare fraud cost us billions a year. Just in the paper recently a story of a couple doing Medicare fraud.
You think fraud in Medicare/Medicaid is bad now! Wait until we have full government care.
If ya’ll wouldn’t give the trolls so much attention…
WTNT34 KNHC 181150TCPAT4BULLETINHURRICANE DEAN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 21ANWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042007800 AM AST SAT AUG 18 2007
…CORE OF HURRICANE DEAN PASSES WELL SOUTH OF PUERTO RICO…
DEAN IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 17 MPH…28 KM/HR. A GENERALWEST TO WEST-NORTHWEST MOTION IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.ON THIS TRACK…THE CORE OF THE HURRICANE WILL BE MOVING SOUTH OFTHE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC LATER TODAY AND SOUTH OF HAITI TONIGHT.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 150 MPH…240 KM/HR…WITH HIGHERGUSTS.
THIS DESTRUCTIVE STORM SHOULD BE RESPECTED. PARTICULARLY BY THOSE POTENTIALLY IN THE 72 HOUR PATH OF THE GALE FORCE WINDS.THIS WOULD INCLUDE NEW ORLEANS MAYOR RAY NAGIN AND HIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION.
FROM NOAA’S NATIONAL BUOY DATA CENTER (not a sexual term), USERS CAN VIEW THE STORM DATA RIGHT FROM THE CENTER OF THE STORM:
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42059http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/West_Caribbean.shtml
INTERESTINGLY, PRESIDENT BUSH HAS TURNED OFF THE WARNING BUOY’S IN THE GULF OF MEXICO WHERE THEY WOULD PROVIDE MOREIMMEDIATE WARNING DATA FOR NEW ORLEANS. THIS CAN BE CONFIRMED AT BUOY # 42057 and #42058. ALL PART OF THE MASTER PLAN TO DESTROY THE BLUE STATES POPULATION:
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42058
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT LEGAL NOTE: THIS IS ONLY ABOUT WEATHER. IT IS NOT ABOUT CLIMATE. THIS IS A CRITICAL POINT FOR ONE PERSON IN THE WORLD, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION, AND TO ENSURE WE DO NOT GET A LAWSUIT, WE REPEAT……….
THIS IS NOT A CLIMATIC CHANGE ANNOUNCEMENT. THIS IS A WEATHER ALERT ONLY.
ARE YOU READY NEW ORLEANS?
At the time of my wife gave birth to our daughter, we both had health insurance.
The local Wichita hospital billed BOTH insurance compaines the same $24000.
If we had not spoken up, the hospital would have gotten away with its fraud.
Is that the kind of fraud you’re talking about Joe?
Looks like Snow is Jumping off bush’s good ship lollipop.
I love Gulf Hurricanes when they’re strong enough to move inland and bring Kansas some great storms!
Snow looked horrible the other day on TV…he must know too much and they have to get rid of him. Time for another hunting trip Mr Cheney?
Snow says he needs to make more money… The way he looks, doesnt look as though he might live long enough to make more money!! I’ve been through cancer treatment, so I do empathize with the man, though!!
U Whoooooo Capn aMERRRRiCAAAAAAA!
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?Well, knock me over with a feather!Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 02:50 PMWould you Capn America? If you were evacuated to another city, would you commit crimes of theft, violence, rape, and murder?Not me. I’d be damn grateful and appreciative of being ALIVE and having people take care of me. Then, I would look for a job. I’d get my kids in school the next day.Posted by: Feather | August 17, 2007 at 03:05 PM”Would you Capn America? If you were evacuated to another city, would you commit crimes of theft, violence, rape, and murder?”"I’m not going to dignify a smear with an answer.”Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:16 PMBecause you can’t defend murderers and answer the question. HAHAHAHAHAStuck again.
Posted by: SolDevVB | August 17, 2007 at 03:23 PMHAHAHA and so he continues. Nice and burried now Capn? It won’t go away. Would you murder and steal if you were homeless? Just like those that you defend are doing?Posted by: SolDevVB | August 17, 2007 at 03:33 PMStill no answer from Capn. Waiting for someone else to make a point you can jump on?Would you, Capn, murder or steal if you were homeless like those that you are defending?Posted by: SolDevVB | August 17, 2007 at 03:45 PMOh UUUUUUUUU whooooooo!Capn Amerrrrrrrrrrrica!Before you tried to hide your tracks by posting filler on the blog you said:
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?Well, knock me over with a feather!Posted by: CapnAmericaYou going to answer my question, or were were you knocked over by aPosted by: Feather | August 17, 2007 at 04:50 PM
This howling Dean really could do some damage to the US. I wonder if cities all along the Gulf Coast are taking notice so we Don’t have another New Orleans anywhere.
Hurricane Dean getting closer.
Attention residents of Gulf coast.
PLEASE do not take this 3-5 days of warning to use to prepare yourself.
PLEASE do not make use of emergency food and water that the Guvment has been begging you to since 9-11.
PLEASE make sure you have not set aside a dollar a week of your assistance to go down and buy 3 cans of food at the cheap food outlet store in town, so that you would be able to place this food in your emergency kit.
PLEASE make sure that you don’t go down to the Dollar General and spend a dollar of your assistance to buy water jugs (1.00) or a big plastic container to put all the stuff in (1.00) or a roll of duct tape to help keep the plastic container watertight (1.00).
PLEASE don’t let yourself have available cans of food and jugs of water. The food might be cold and the water lukewarm but at least you’ll eat and drink.
PLEASE remember what you have been told by the Democrats ALLL of these years, the Guvment should be doing all of these things. You should NOT have to have personal responsibility or look after your own family, THATS WHAT THE GUVMENT IS FOR.
PLEASE DON’T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS, or else CNN and the like will not have anything to show on the news and blame the Administration for.
AND THE BIG THING NOT TO FORGET!
After having 3-5 days notice of a big hurricane coming, PLEASE be sure to be in your nightgown right when the hurricane hits, this will allow the news to show that the Bush Administration hates:(pick one of the following)BLACKSCRACKERSTRAILER TRASHLATINOSWHITE TRASHGAY PEOPLEPOOR PEOPLEENVIROMENTALISTSSPOTTED OWLSHOSPITALSLEFT HANDED ATHIEISTSETC.
And don’t forget to tell Geraldo that its been 4 hours since you had water, and HOW COULD THE GUVMENT BE DOING THIS TO YOU, DON’T THEY HAVE ANY COMPASSION???
Good Grief, Gene, STUFF IT already!!
Anyone read the KC Star page two article today on New Orleans?
The newspaper chose to protray the homeless victims in NO using a drug abusing woman who was kicked out by her own family and every social agency in town as the one to pity.
The article makes a big deal about the levy situation still being inadequate. They don’t mention that it was inadequate for the twenty years BEFORE Katrina.
But of course they don’t mention the fact that if you build a city twenty feet below sea level, mother nature is going to eventually fill up that hole.
It’s all Bushy’s fault.
So, why doesnt anybody make the same fuss about Houston being below sea level in so many areas as they do about NO…??? Houston has tremendous flooding problems with normal rain… I wouldnt want to be in some parts of Houston during a hurricane… And the area I lived in was NOT a poverty area… It was rather Up Class!! Much to my surprise!!
HURRICANE DEAN ADVISORY:
It’s very important to remember that Hurricane Dean is still quite far out to the east of the Gulf of Mexico.
Some projections show a high pressure ridge forming from the US Midwest south to Texas.
Any turns made by Dean will be impacted by the timing of this ridge.
If this ridge moves slowly, it may block the westward movement of Dean and force it to move north – toward New Orleans!
Stay tuned for further developments.
Or was it impossible to tell who was recently dead vs washed out of those above ground graves?Posted by: LeRoy
Hey LeRoy it’s like the election, you don’t have to show a photo ID when you are dead to be counted.
“That’s why John Edwards charges $50,000 to give a speech on the poor now.”
Posted by: Kansas, aka troll | August 18, 2007 at 08:44 AM
Kansas seems to believe the free market system is wrong.
The 1,700+ people in the audience were not “poor”, and nobody forced them to buy tickets.
It’s still not clear whether they found 1,953 black arms or radiator hoses.
Posted by: LeRoy | August 18, 2007 at 11:38 AM
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Now that remark is just TOO racist to be left on this Blog… I think somebody should remove it totally… SHAME on you LeRoy!!
Louisiana ALREADY knows about Dean — I posted a link to newspaper article last night.
‘Dean gains strength, Blanco calls emergency as a precaution’http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-817.html#comment-79865043
Feather Troll–
In your simple-minded view of society, people have two angels sitting on their shoulders, a good angel which is of course WHITE and a bad angel which is black.
The black angel whispers temptations into people’s ears. The white angel whispers wise and prudent words.
The person in the middle simply makes a conscious decision to be good or bad depending on whether they are a good or bad person.
Once one gets beyond that 5 year old’s idea of morality, one recognizes that society and its systems plays a much more important role in “personal morality” than an inability to resist temptation.
Poor people commit more petty crime because its more logical for them to commit more of that type of crime: they have less to lose and more to gain.
Given the squalor and seething poverty some of our fellow Americans find themselves in, prison doesn’t look all that bad.
Beats chronic hunger and homelessness after all.
On the other hand, someone like me who has a decent job and a measure of respect from society is much less likely to steal food from a Quick Trip. 1. I don’t need to and 2. the consequences are much harsher for me because I have a lot more to lose. Even if I were tempted to shoplift, which I’m not, it’s not logical for me to try it.
I think that people do things that seem to make sense to them at the time. If we can incentivize doing the right thing as a society, more people will be law abiding.
So . . . to answer your question:
No, dumbass, I would not murder or steal if I were given refuge from a natural disaster.
Like you needed to have that cleared up . . . sheesh, what a maroon!
But again, when more people are concentrated together, more crime will be the result, whether they are refugees or not is irrelevant.
Cosmos, if that hurricane goes straight, and doesnt turn West, it will hit Florida head on!! I checked Weather Channel Satellite picture last nite… Did you see that???
Wow, maybe Blanco learned her lesson.
When did she declare an emergency for Katrina? How many days before was that?
Capn, what took you so long to answer the question?
In any case, my faith in the good of mankind is restored.
Why dont some of you smart A** people try putting yourselves in the place of people “in charge” of a disaster when it happens, and try to figure out what YOU would do with limited resources, and limited personnel???
Those levees were in BAD shape long before Blanco was Governor, or Nagin was Mayor!!
It doesnt take a genious to figure that out… And I THINK one of those former governors was even a REPUBLICAN, heaven forbid!!
Now that remark is just TOO racist to be left on this Blog… I think somebody should remove it totally… SHAME on you LeRoy!!
Posted by: Chas.
Why is that a racist remark?
And besides, New Orleans was a corrupt city WAY back before the days of even Blanche DuBois… Ever watch the movie, “Interview With A Vampire”??
Blackhawk, if you are THAT STUPID, then maybe you should go lock yourself in your Tipi until you figure it out… Geez, comparing Goodyear Hoses to ‘Black’ Arms??? How much more racist does it GET??
Go ahead, PROVE to the world how stupid Wichita can really be at times… and how Backwoods we are!!! SHAME on you for using an Indian Name, and asking such a STUPID, IGNORANT question!!!
Here is the “remark” Blackhawk has in question >>>
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-818.html#comment-79898615
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?Well, knock me over with a feather!Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 02:50 PM
So . . . to answer your question:No, I would not murder or steal if I were given refuge from a natural disaster.But again, when more people are concentrated together, more crime will be the result, whether they are refugees or not is irrelevant.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
So in other words, even though you would not yourself commit murder, rape, theft, armed robbery, or violent crime -
those Katrina transplants to Texas were justified in doing so.
I guess it wasn’t like being struck by a feather.
Yes, and I base my view of the world on movies,
like “Interview With A Vampire”.
Walk on by CapN… The trolls are looking for peanuts again!!
Well, Pity, the social spectrum in the movie is VERY much based on the historical realities of New Orleans in that time frame!!
Why dont you do some REAL research, and you would know that!!
lock yourself in your TipiChas.
Blog Monitor: Please ban the Chas. thing because he made a racial remark. This is offensive to my and my peoples rich heritage. We are citizens of Kansas and this great nation as well as our own.
We do NOT deserve these types of remarks.
My bag of Troll peanuts is empty again… and its only barely Noon! Geez!!
Black Hawk, you call that a racist remark??? GET REAL, you NA pretender!!
Maybe you forget, Blackhawk… I am a good deal NA myself… And I already challenged your question is being ignorant, and stupid, because you even asked how it was racist!!
Geez, pull your head out!!
Here is the racial remark:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-818.html#comment-79899747
Here is his second adding color where there was none before:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-818.html#comment-79899747
The initial racist remark about Goodyear and Black hoses, or Black arms, has already been sent to the WEBlog…. Hopefully, it will be removed… So, nuff said!!
‘TVA reactor shut down; cooling water from river too hot’http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/5061439.html
‘Arctic ice shrinks to record low, melting faster than computers predicted’http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/17/america/NA-GEN-US-Low-Ice.php“Several years ago he [Mark Serreze, a senior research scientist at the the National Snow and Ice Data Center] would have predicted a complete melt of Arctic sea ice in summer would occur by the year 2070 to 2100, Serreze said.But at the rates now occurring, a complete melt could happen by 2030, he said Friday.”
Cooler Heads CoalitionMarch 28, 1999
The Benefits of Global Warming
Several economic studies have attempted to determine the economic costs of a rise in global temperatures. Most have found that global warming will have a significant negative impact. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, for example, found that the costs of global warming would range from 1.5 to 2 percent of GDP for the world and about 1 to 2 percent for the U.S. Fred Singer, an atmospheric scientist and president of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, notes that several sectors were not included in the IPCC analysis and that non-market sectors all suffered from negative impacts and much of the time the impacts were greater than in the market sectors. Since no reliable or agreed upon metric to measure non-market impacts exists, those results are little more than an assumption by the IPCC.
A new book, titled The Impact of Climate Change on the United States Economy (Cambridge University Press, Cambridge 1999) by Robert Mendelsohn at the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies and James E. Neumann with Industrialized Economics, Inc. finds a different result. Mendelsohn and Neumann assume a doubling of CO2 that would lead to a 2.5 degree C increase in global temperatures. They also include sectors of the economy that were ignored by the IPCC, such as commercial fishing. Other improvements included the possibility of adaptation, reliance on natural climate experiments, in towns with different temperature changes, and so on.
Mendelsohn and Neumann found that overall the economic impact of global warming on the U.S. is positive, about a 0.2 percent increase in GDP. This includes large positive impacts on agriculture and smaller positive impacts on forestry and recreation. All other sectors experience negative impacts, but far smaller than found by the IPCC. There were 26 economists involved with the writing and reviewing of the book. Not only were individual chapters reviewed but also several economists reviewed the overall work. A review of the book can be found at http://www.sepp.com.
Palm Trees for sale,
A warmer ocean means more coral bleaching, and less phytoplankton. That’s a serious problem for “commercial fishing”, which already has problems re over-fishing.
And Cooler Heads Coalition is an EXCELLENT “court jester” organization.
‘FACTSHEET: Cooler Heads Coalition, CHChttp://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=93
host organization,’FACTSHEET: Consumer Alert, CA’http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=31
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cooler_Heads_Coalition
Dr. Jim Hansenhttp://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf“The contrarians will be remembered as court jesters. There is no point to joust with court jesters. They will always be present. They will continue to entertain even if the Titanic begins to take on water. Their role and consequence is only as a diversion from what is important.
The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children.
The court jesters are their jesters, occasionally paid for services, and more substantively supported by the captains’ disinformation campaigns.”
Well I’m back to feeling bad for the guy who threw his wife off the balcony. TV news reports say he lost his job caring for her, and did NOT have insurance. Seems to me he lost everything and was really stressed out, Sounds like she was really suffering too.
Sure mama, justified completely.
Plus the wife just wouldn’t LISTEN!
And yet another unbelievable spinmeister comment… PMom never said ONE THING about what happened as being justifiable… NOT ONE THING!! WHY is that even mentioned???
This is what is wrong with the Spinmeisters!!! ALWAYS putting something in where it doesnt belong, or never was!!!
If we cant feel “bad” for this guy and his now deceased wife, then that must make some folks LESS than human!!
Most middle-class American live from paycheck to pay check and $3 dollars gasoline in bankrupting individual Americans.
Why?
If you paying out $400.00 a month for gasoline, you begin to fall behind in your house payments. And after maxing out their credit cards, Americans are being forclosed on their houses.
It has taken a while to show-up, but it’s here and spreading to Wall Street. Mortgage defaulted loans are showing-up in Europe, as those “hot-potatoes” are being traded and re-traded.
You may know what I’m about to say next, but it’s true { it’s not the “oil companies, or reduced refinery capacity }.
The price of crude oil is determined on the open market by availability.
Your turn….
Yes, it would be less than human to not sympathize with a man who throws his wife over a balcony to fall 40 feet to her death.
My wife asks me to do that all the time.
She said just the other day, “Bubba, when you gonna throw me over the ledge?”
Maybe you forget, Blackhawk… I am a good deal NA myself… And I already challenged your question is being ignorant, and stupid, because you even asked how it was racist!!
Geez, pull your head out!!
Posted by: Chas. | August 18, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Are you and WSClark related?
Global warming has been getting a bad rap lately. But what’s so terrible about having more oceans, no winters, and year-round sun tans? Before you write off the coming climate change, check out 24reasons why there’s nothing like a nice warm globe.
1. Minnesota can change its license plate slogan from “Shit hole” to “The State with Two Coasts.”
2. Kansas will finally get what it deserves: a hurricane.
3. Saying “I hate winter” will be like saying “I hate Father’s Day”, cause it only lasts 24 hours.
4. No more penguins.
5. The hotter it is, the colder beer’ll taste.
6. “Sunny Alaska” will replace “Burny Florida” as the new winter vacation destination.
7. It will take a lot less time to boil water.
8. You’ll finally get some use out of that ark you got for Christmas.
9. Hot Tubs will be replaced with Ice Tubs—which will mean lots and lots of hard nips.
10. Everyone will be so tan that we’ll all look like Arabs. And then there won’t be any more racism.
11. One word: Waterworld.
12. Another great excuse to hang out in your underwear 24/7/365.
13. Mexicans will start heading south instead of north.
14. You’ll be able have engine block eggs without starting your engine.
15. The Olympic torch will never go out.
16. Due to the lack of ice, hockey will finally become the the sport it was meant to be: a bunch of guys hitting each other with sticks under water.
17. There’s no forest fires in the ocean.
18. The phrase “hot as hell” will no longer be hyperbole.
19. You’ll be able to roast your nuts without an open fire.
20. Since they’re called the “Boys of Summer”, baseball will be played year round.
21. You’ll be able to really put your Degree deodorant to the test, just like in the commercial.
22. It’ll be as hot as the south everywhere, so naturally, everyone will become as funny as Jeff Foxworthy and Larry The Cable guy. We’ll laugh ourselves into world peace.
23. You’ll be able to give hot rock massages to ladies you just met in the park.
24. If the entire world floods and we’re forced to live underwater, maybe we’ll meet Poseidon.
Just by marriage Kansas.
I like it hot,
You forgot to credit the source of your post — and you changed 25 reasons to 24.
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/benefits-global-warming-p1.php“…check out our 25 reasons why there’s nothing like a nice warm globe.
25. We’ll all figure out there’s nothing beneficial about global warming.”
I see the troll(s) are out in full force. I also note how many people don’t have a life. Get out from in front of the computer and go enjoy the nice weather!
“Most middle-class American live from paycheck to pay check and $3 dollars gasoline in bankrupting individual Americans.
Why?
If you paying out $400.00 a month for gasoline, you begin to fall behind in your house payments. And after maxing out their credit cards, Americans are being forclosed on their houses.”
Most Americans are less than responsible if this is true. Let’s look at these figures. If gas is $3 a gallon and an American is spending $400 a month on gas, he either drives a huge SUV and/or lives a long ways from work. $400 will buy 133 gallons of gas at $3 a gallon. Even assuming a monster SUV like a Suburban or Expedition at 15 MPG, that would be 100 miles a day for each day at work assuming a 20 day work month. If folks are honestly dumb enough to buy a huge SUV and live 50 miles from work they’d go broke one way or another anyway. And you should not use a credit card for everyday expenses.”It has taken a while to show-up, but it’s here and spreading to Wall Street. Mortgage defaulted loans are showing-up in Europe, as those “hot-potatoes” are being traded and re-traded.”The problem is that the banking industry and the government stood by while consumers that obviously could not afford a home were granted smoke-and-mirror mortgages. Things like zero down and “no interest” loans and ARMs given to bad credit risk. The government needs to clean up that cesspool. Several things should be done:1. Eliminate all pre payment penalties and outlaw them in the future. Consumers who have improved their credit should ba able to get out of the smoke-and-mirror “subprime” mortgages without having to pay thousands of dollars in penalties.2. Require that all mortgage loans be made to those who meet certain credit and income criteria. Income should be enough so that not more than 33% is spent on the mortgage, taxes and insurance. No credit late payments for the past 12 months and no foreclosures, bankruptcies or repossessions for the past 5 years.3. And most important a DOWN PAYMENT of 10% of the home’s cost should be required.
“If we cant feel “bad” for this guy and his now deceased wife, then that must make some folks LESS than human!!”
I feel bad for them. We all let them down in their time of need because the Republicans have decided that regular folks don’t deserve health care unless they are 65. However, although I feel bad for them, this man did an absolutely unacceptable thing and should be in prison the rest of his life- where incidently he will get “national health care” free of charge!
Bush’s fault again!
“We all let them down in their time of need because the Republicans” Kev
Maybe you let them down, but I didn’t leave them down. I’m not tied to any single party, but your attempt to generate sympathy from me against republicans didn’t work.
Your tale is a sad one. It has become common in the country to caste criminals as “victims” and rich people as “evil villians”. The world has become upside down and bass ackward.
This was a sick act carried out by one individual. It does not fall on the back of any political party in this nation or any other individual.
YOu have been drinking the “invisible” koolaid Hillary is passing out.
There has not been socialized medicine in this country for over two hundred years – are you going to find every one of these sad tales and blame the republican party for them? I don’t think so.
Further, socialized medicine will not prevent this type of activity in the future. Uninformed, sad, and grieving people will always do sick things.
What is really sick is someone using this incident to play the blame game.
Ok, so I won’t be throwing the wife over the ledge then?
“Most middle-class American live from paycheck to pay check and $3 dollars gasoline in bankrupting individual Americans.”Posted by: Kev
Any statistics out there on how many middle class Americans own SUV’s, expensive gas guzzling cars, boats, and have an average of $6,000 credit card bills?
Yeah, and $3 for a gallon of gas is gonna put em over the edge! LOL
Might have to throttle down on the boat moter or cut back a couple of week ends on the lake, or go to the casino less.
Ok, so I won’t be throwing the wife over the ledge then?
Posted by: Bubba
Not sure I would try using the Republican argument in a court of law Bubba. ;-)
Darn, I was wantin to trade her in for a newer model ya know.
She don’t suck that golf ball thru the garden hose so much anymore!
So in other words, even though you would not yourself commit murder, rape, theft, armed robbery, or violent crime -
those Katrina transplants to Texas were justified in doing so.
I guess it wasn’t like being struck by a feather.
Posted by: Feather | August 18, 2007 at 11:59 AM
In other words, do you walk to school or carry your lunch?
I see what the problem is now with CONservatives.
They’re just stupid.
And you can’t fix stupid.
Bubba, I’m not going there and I think that was borderline. Move on. Please.
Alright. I’ll move on. Tired a talkin bout the wife anyway.
Ya see that idiot Capn’s posts?
Writes like he’s had a few too many brain cells killed today.
Say Hotdog1, you ever notice Chas and Capn are always on at the same time?
Sorta like Lennie and George from of Mice and Men.
Capn’s the lil guy with a couple more brains then the big oaf Chas.
George, which way do I go now GEORGE!!!!
Yeah, GEORGE, that was a GOOD one!
Ya got him real good that time George!
Gee whiz George, that was great!
I refuse to talk to TROLLS today… Walkin on by… Troll peanut store is closed for the weekend!!
However, a lot of posts here today are extremely borderline… for decency… at the very least..
“You guys travel around together?” [Slim's] tone was friendly. It invited confidence without demanding it. “Sure,” said Capn. “We kinda look after each other.” He indicated Chas with his thumb. “He ain’t bright. Hell of a good worker though. Hell of a nice fella, but he ain’t bright. I’ve knew him for a long time.” Slim looked through Capn and beyond him. “Ain’t many guys travel around together,” he mused. “I don’t know why.”
Hey Eagle Beak, here is some info for you:
findings from a national survey on credit card debt among low- and middle-income households — those whose earnings fell between 50 percent and 120 percent of local median income. The survey provides new information about why households are in credit card debt, how long they have carried their debt and the impact this debt has had on their economic security.Research shows that credit card debt in America has almost tripled since 1989 and increased 31 percent since 2000. Americans now owe some $800 billion in credit card debt.$8,650 is the average credit card debt of a low- and middle-incomeindebted household in America.
- 59 percent of respondents were in credit debt for longer than one year,with an average length of just over three and a half years.
The findings of the study are disturbing. 70% of low and middle income households reported using their credit cards as a safety net. 20% had paid off some credit card debt with a mortgage refinance in the last three years, reducing their home equity to $12,000 on average. Yet, these same households still had average credit card debt over $14,000! 47% of households had been called by a bill collector. 33% reported using credit cards to cover basic living expenses and did so an average of four out of the last 12 months.
It’s not all current. The one study was from 2005. Not sure what the current debt is.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the middle class is in debt for. Luxury items? Boats, Computers? SUV’s?
So is the price of gas the issue for all their woe?
Capn’s the lil guy with a couple more brains then the big oaf Chas.
Posted by: Bubba
I really didn’t want to get drawn in to this, but I don’t follow the blog enough to know:
How did you determine which has the brains? Just curious?
TROLL TROLL TROLL YUR BOAT!!!
I’m outta here at 4:25 p.m.
I could have it reversed, Chas tends to hide behind Capn.
Capn likes to act big manly and all, huffin and puffin and blowin alot a hot air, without really saying much.
Thinkin back on it, Chas sounds to be smarter and weaker – Capn bigger and dumber.
Max
If you hadn’t fell asleep during economic 101, you’d understand the how a “recession” turns into a full-blown “depression”
$3 dollar gasoline is enough to plumge us into a full-time depression, as that loss of spending hits each business in turn, and the jobs associated with each industry.
It’s already happening in the morgage defaults.
But, as a Zionists, why would you care. You just get congress to bleed our Treasury for you needs.
Max,
I’ll have to watch for their mysterious magical appearance in support of each other.
Thanks
“Guy don’t need no scuse to be a nice fella. Seems to me sometimes it jus’ works the other way round. Take a real smart guy and he ain’t hardly ever a nice fella.”
Blog asked, “You guys travel around together?” “Sure,” said Capn America. “We kinda look after each other.” He indicated Chas with his thumb. “He ain’t bright. Hell of a good worker though. Hell of a nice fella, but he ain’t bright. I’ve knew him for a long time.” Blog looked through Capn and beyond him. “Ain’t many guys travel around together,” he mused. “I don’t know why. Maybe everybody in the whole damn world is scared of each other.
Chas/Capn twins both left at the same time.
I can see both their little brain wheels spinning now!
I’d give anything for an ignore button on this blog.
It’s called SCROLL DOWN.
But, as a Zionists, why would you care. You just get congress to bleed our Treasury for you needs.Posted by: Ed Friedemann
Ed, my investments are doing just fine, heh? Maybe if you took off a few layers of hate off your shoulders, the self-pity, and loathing racism, you might advance yourself and thereby your people as a whole.
There is an old saying that applies yes?
You cannot open a shop unless you know how to smile.
“If you hadn’t fell asleep during economic 101, you’d understand the how a “recession” turns into a full-blown “depression”
$3 dollar gasoline is enough to plumge us into a full-time depression, as that loss of spending hits each business in turn, and the jobs associated with each industry.”
There are too many regulations and programs in our economy for a depression to ever happen again short of a huge natural disaster of some sort. After the Great Republican Depression, FDR (Democrat) put into place regulations on banks and securities to prevent such a thing in the future. These regulations insulate parts of the economy from each other. So even if one sector such as housing goes down, it will not drag other sectors like tech and industry with it. Also with safety valves such as the FDIC and SEC we cannot fall too far at any given time. The stock markets have circuit breakers which will halt trading if the markets go into free fall as they did in 1929. And the Fed would move quickly- as they have now- to cut the discount rate and flood the banks with cash.
Here’s one for Cosmos >>>>
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=3493111
Check this one….
Outta here again, 5:02 p.m.
Bubba / Lester–
Did you know that Steinbeck was a socialist?
I’m guessing no . . .
It’s that stupidity again.
“Not all CONservatives are stupid, but all stupid people are CONservative . . . “
Satan’s Flag?
Something for the Evangelicals to think about, if that’s possible without a Bush-brain.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/894744.html
Just a note to remind people who have not figured out this one- a cell phone is NOT a toy! Please do NOT give your old cell phones to little kids to play with unless you put in a security code and lock the keypad so the kid cannot dial 911 or clog up the network trying to dial other numbers!http://www.switched.com/2007/07/10/toddler-dials-911-from-cell-phone-300-times/
“There are too many regulations and programs in our economy for a depression to ever happen again”
Watch what happens if Bush attacks Iran.
I’ve got the frame ready for your prediction.
Kev,You might find this interesting from investopedia:
In 1933, in the wake of the 1929 stock market crash, during a nationwide commercial bank failure and the Great Depression, two members of Congress put their names on what is known today as the Glass-Steagall Act (GSA). This act separated investment and commercial banking activities. At the time, “improper banking activity”, or what was considered overzealous commercial bank involvement in stock market investment, was deemed the main culprit of the financial crash. According to that reasoning, commercial banks took on too much risk with depositors’ money.
Additional and sometimes non-related explanations for the Great Depression evolved over the years, and many questioned whether the GSA hindered the establishment of financial services firms that can equally compete against each other. We will take a look at why the GSA was established and what led up to its final repeal in 1999.
“But the new aid package, which was formalized yesterday in Jerusalem, proves Israel cannot be weaned from the American teat.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=894513&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
Chas,
Thanks for the ‘Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks to Record Low’ link — but I already posted similar around noon today.
That post caused ‘Palm Trees’ to copy/paste some old GW “court jester” propaganda.
THE NEW MODEL REPUBLICAN PARTY….Earlier this week I had lunch with my mother. We got to talking about politics and she asked, “What’s happened to the Republican party? They used to just be the party of rich people.”
That’s actually a penetrating question, and I want to try and answer it. In fact, I mainly want to try and answer it for conservatives who wonder why liberals treat them like lepers.
The Republican party, of course, still is the party of rich people, but if that’s all it was then liberals like me would simply treat it as an ordinary opposition party to be fought civilly and compromised with when necessary. But it’s become much more than that over the past couple of decades. It has become completely unhinged. Try this on for size:
Republicans won’t rest until abortion is completely outlawed, Social Security is abolished, the welfare state is completely rolled back, the book of Genesis is taught in science classes, and the federal income tax is abolished.
When I occasionally repeat (milder) versions of this here, my conservative commenters think I’m nuts. “Every party has a few wingnuts,” they say. “These guys don’t have any real influence.”
And the thing is, I think they’re telling the truth. With a couple of exceptions, I think the kind of conservatives who visit here don’t believe this. It’s absurd. It’s a caricature.
But the problem is that I’m not sure they realize what their party is becoming. The heart and soul of Republican grass roots activism can be found pretty easily: it’s in Texas. The New Model radical right took over the Texas Republican party a decade ago and elected George Bush governor. They have since taken over the entire state and propelled one of their own to the presidency and another to leadership of the House of Representatives. They bring a messianic fervor to their task, and after successfully taking over the second biggest state in the union their sights are now set on the entire country. This is not a fringe group. It is the biggest, most active, most energetic, and most determined segment of the Republican party today.
So it’s fair to ask, what do they really want? Not what their public face is, and not what’s politically feasible at the moment, but what are their goals? What kind of America do they want?
The answer is easy to come by if you really want to know, because the Texas Republican party regularly publishes a party platform. And like all true believers, they are very clear about what they want. So here it is: selected excerpts from the Texas Republican Party Platform of 2000. At the end of six years with George W. Bush at their helm, this was — and largely remains — their vision for America.
The Texas Republican Party Platform for 2000
Texas GOP PlatformShort TranslationThe Party calls for the United States monetary system to be returned to the gold standard. Since the Federal Reserve System is a private corporation, has no reserves, and is not subject to taxation or audit, we call on Congress to abolish this institution and reassume its authority, enumerated by Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, for the coinage of money.
The United States should return to the gold standard and abolish the Federal Reserve.Congress should be urged to exercise its authority under Article III, Sections 1 and 2 of the United States Constitution, and should withhold appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court in such cases involving abortion, religious freedom, and all rights guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.
The Supreme Court should not be allowed to decide the constitutionality of laws regarding abortion, religion, or anything else related to the Bill of Rights. In these areas, Congress should be allowed to pass any laws it wishes.Our Party pledges to do everything within its power to restore the original intent of the First Amendment of the United States and the concept of the separation of Church and State and dispel the myth of the separation of Church and State.
We should completely do away with separation of church and state.The party opposes the decriminalization of sodomy….We publicly rebuke judges Chief Justice Murphy and John Anderson, who ruled that the 100 year-old Texas sodomy law is unconstitutional, and ask that all members of the Republican Party of Texas oppose their re-election.
Gay sex should be a criminal offense.The Party affirms its support for a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse making clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection applies to unborn children.
All abortion of all kinds should be permanently outlawed by constitutional amendment.No homosexual or any individual convicted of child abuse or molestation should have the right to custody or adoption of a minor child, and that visitation with minor children by such persons should be limited to supervised periods.
Gays should be treated like child molesters and should not be allowed to visit children unsupervised.The Party believes that scientific topics, such as the question of universe and life origins and environmental theories, should not be constrained to one opinion or viewpoint. We support the teaching equally of scientific strengths and weaknesses of all scientific theories–as Texas now requires (but has yet to enforce) in public school science course standards. We urge revising all environmental education standards to require this also. We support individual teachers’ right to teach creation science in Texas public schools.
The Biblical story of creation should be taught in science classes.The Party supports an orderly transition to a system of private pensions based on the concept of individual retirement accounts, and gradually phasing out the Social Security tax.Social Security should be abolished.We urge that the IRS be abolished and the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution be repealed. A constitutional tax, collected and controlled by the States, must generate sufficient revenue for the legitimate tasks of the national government.
The federal income tax should be abolished.The Party believes the minimum wage law should be repealed.
The federal minimum wage should be abolished.We further support the abolition of federal agencies involved in activities not delegated to the federal government under the original intent of the Constitution including, but not limited to, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the position of Surgeon General, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce and Labor.
The EPA, HUD, HHS, the Department of Education, and several other federal agencies should be eliminated. Since these departments supervise all federal welfare programs for the poor and sick, they are presumably advocating the complete abolishment of the federal welfare state.The Party believes it is in the best interest of the citizens of the United States that we immediately rescind our membership in, as well as all financial and military contributions to, the United Nations.
Get the United States out of the UN.The Party urges Congress to support HJR 77, the Panama and America Security Act, which declare the Carter-Torrijos Treaty null and void. We support re-establishing United States control over the Canal in order to retain our military bases in Panama, to preserve our right to transit through the Canal, and to prevent the establishment of Chinese missile bases in Panama.
Take back the Panama Canal.
This plank remains in the 2002 platform. Since Panama presumably would object to this, they appear to be endorsing military action to retake the canal zone.Any person filing as a Republican candidate for a public or Party office shall be provided a current copy of the Party platform at the time of filing. The candidate shall be asked to read and initial each page of the platform and sign a statement affirming he/she has read the entire platform.We are dead serious about all this.
These are not the words of sane people. This is not “reform,” this is not “common sense,” and this is not “restraining government growth.” This is plain and simple madness and the people behind it have real influence.
California is probably the most liberal state in the country, so for comparison you can take a look at the California Democratic Party Platform for 2000 to see what the other end of the spectrum looks like. By comparison it’s pretty feeble liberal fare: affirmative action, commitment to education, opposition to global warming, etc. etc. You may find many things you disagree with strongly and a few that you think are just goofy, but nothing remotely close to the Texas GOP. Nothing to compare with the obsessive militant lunacy of abolishing Social Security or seizing the Panama Canal.
If this were just a lunatic fringe we could all have a good laugh over their manifesto and then go out for a beer. But you can’t dismiss it so easily. Texas-style conservatism has already put George Bush, Tom DeLay, and Karl Rove in charge of the country, and it is very much the future of the Republican party. And for all the conservatives reading this: I know this doesn’t necessarily represent what you believe. But whether you like it or not, this kind of thinking does represent a very strong, very fast growing segment of the leadership of your party, and this is why liberals think the Republican party is just plain scary these days. We know that this is their agenda, we know that they really truly want to do this stuff, and we know that they are steadily gaining influence.
And to liberals: this is what we’re fighting. Republicans may be smart enough to make soothing noises and put friendly faces like George Bush’s in front of their agenda, but behind the facade this is what they want and they won’t rest until they get it. It’s our job to make sure everyone knows this.
VERY scary Kev… I’ve been trying to tell people about this agenda since Reagan’s time… But nobody believed me then either!!
Kev, while I am in agreement with what you wrote about insurance this morning, it’s even more important that the federal government get out of the flood insurance business.
In New Orleans, since those who chose to buy flood insurance paid a rate that in no way reflected the actual risk they faced, they didn’t know those risks.
If private companies supplied flood insurance, they would price it according to their assessment of the risk they insured. That’s what your own home insurance is based on, factors like the type of construction and roof, how far it is to the fire hydrant, an assessment of the quality of service your local fire department provides, and other things.
Now, if a town’s local government lets the fire department decline in its ability to fight fires and the rating agency becomes aware of it, all the homeowners in the town will receive a strong signal that something went wrong. That signal will be an increase, probably large, in the cost of insurance. That’s a large motivating factor to ask what’s wrong, and a large motivating factor for local governments to prevent such things from happening, if local politicians want to keep their jobs.
None of this was in effect in New Orleans. First, the levees were built and owned by the government. That’s a big enough problem there. But if they had been privately insured, by companies that wanted to earn a profit and priced their insurance accordingly, the public would have been aware of the problems with the flood protection in that city.
It seems that some people knew there was a problem. YOu’d see articles in Scientific American about the danger of a hurricane in New Orleans. So it’s not like no one knew.
But when thousands of property owners have to pay more for insurance, or when they can’t get it at any cost, that a motivating factor that people, and politicians, understand.
How many people had to die in New Orleans to learn this lesson?
I have to tell you people, I saw the ultimate geekfest today, my daughter has been earning money for 3 months for this anime/gamer’s convention. That’s why I’m in town. Now I have to say, these kids and young adults have behaved extremely well- I had multiple kids walking past me saying “excuse me, and please and thank yous. I was very pleased with the people who threw the convention how inclusive they were to the parents who came to keep an eye on the kids. So, kudos to anime geeks!
I can only think that once upon a time, this was exactly how a Star Trek convention was. I was amazed at how many people come to this!
But I got a bonus that I didn’t expect. Got to see Terry Fox look like he walked into an alternate universe- or maybe he came to the convention too? Who knows why he was at the motel. I’m sure the man felt he was surrounded by Satan lol. Either way, I found it hysterical.
How many times have scientists stated publicly that human-induced global warming is destroying the glaciers of Africa’s Mt. Kilimanjaro? Again, a larger constellation of facts changes the story.
There were two periods of global warming in the last century. The first ended around 1940 and was caused by the sun’s warming up. Temperatures then cooled slightly, until the early 1970’s, before warming again. Scientists believe this second heating was largely caused by the burning of fossil fuels, rather than a change in the sun.
In the first warming, 45 percent of Kilimanjaro’s ice cap disappeared. When the planet subsequently cooled, it lost another 21 percent. In the recent warming, another 12 percent has gone, the slowest rate of loss in the last 100 years. Some 4,000 to 7,000 years ago, the earth was a degree or two warmer than it is today, and yet Kilimanjaro’s glaciers were greatly expanded compared to the current era.
The fact is that Kilimanjaro’s glaciers vary greatly, with or without global warming.
And there are dozens of other stories where scientists exaggerate global warming, ignore its positive aspects, and where the media only report the bad news. In August 2000, the New York Times headlined on the front page that “The North Pole is Melting” and that “the last time scientists could be certain that the Pole was awash in water was more than 50 million years ago.”
It turns out that two United Nations scientists were onboard a Russian icebreaker serving as a tourist ship when they encountered water at the North Pole. They told this to the newspaper without bothering to check the historical record. Open water is occasionally found at the North Pole at the end of summer. The Times ultimately retracted the story — but that retraction appeared far away from the front page.
Why didn’t the polar scientists check first before calling the paper? And why didn’t the New York Times check the facts before publishing? The answers are obvious. Stories like this sell newspapers and generate government research grants. There’s no incentive in telling the larger truth, not for science, not for the media, and certainly not for those public officials who lavish funding on global warming science.
This article appeared in Apple Daily, November 3, 2004.
Michael Crichton said it best:
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.
“Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus.
“Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.”
CO2 does indeed absorb reflected sunlight returning to space from earth, having a warming effect. However, this effect is a diminishing return — each successive doubling of CO2 concentrations will have a much smaller effect on temperatures than the previous doubling. Eventually, CO2 becomes nearly saturated in its ability to absorb radiation. The effect is much like painting a red room with white paint. The first coat covers a lot of red but some still shows through. Each additional coat will make the room progressively whiter, but each successive coat will have a less noticeable effects than the previous coat, until the room is just white and can’t get any whiter.Since 1940, Earth’s surface temperatures have increased by about a half degree Celsius (though there are some reasons to think that biases in the installation of temperature instruments have exaggerated this apparent increase). To be simple (and generous), let’s assume all this 0.5C increase is due to man-made greenhouse gasses. Some may in fact have been due to natural effects, but some may also have been masked by man-made sulfate aerosols, so lets just call man-made warming to be 0.5C.Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, it is thought that man has increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations from 0.028% of the atmosphere to 0.038% of the atmosphere. Since scientists often talk about the effect of a doubling of CO2, this historic rise in CO2 is 36% of a doubling.Using simple math, we see that if temperatures have risen 0.5C due to 36% of a doubling, we might expect them to rise by 1.39C for a full doubling to 0.056% of the atmosphere. But this assumes that the rise is linear — but we already said (and no one denies) that it is in fact a diminishing return relationship. Using a truer form of the curve, a 0.5C historic rise for 36% of a doubling implies a full doubling would raise temperatures by about 1C, or about 0.5C more than we have seen to date. Based on empirical evidence, we would then expect a rise of CO2 concentrations to 0.056% (a level we might expect between the years 2070 and 2100) to increase world temperatures another 0.5C. This means that the magnitude of global warming in the next century might be about what we have seen (and apparently survived) since 1940.Obviously, there is some kind of disconnect here. The IPCC predicts temperature increases in the next century of 4-8 degrees C. Big difference. Big, big difference. In fact, the IPCC predicts we will get a 0.5C rise in just 20 years, not 70-100. In other words, they see the temperature increase rapidly accelerating (since it took 50-60 years for the last 0.5C increase). How do they get accelerating temperatures from what they admit to be a diminishing return relation between CO2 concentration and temperature? Answer: Positive feedbackAlmost every process you can think of in nature operates by negative feedback. Roll a ball, and eventually friction and wind resistance bring it to a stop. Negative feedback is a ball in the bottom of a bowl; positive feedback is a ball perched precariously at the time of a mountain. Positive feedback breeds instability, and processes that operate by positive feedback are dangerous, and usually end up in extreme states — these processes tend to “run away” like the ball rolling down the hill. Nuclear fission, for example, is a positive feedback process. We should be happy there are not more positive feedback processes on our planet. Current man-made global warming theory, however, asserts that our climate is dominated by positive feedback. The IPCC posits that a small increase in temperature from CO2 is multiplied 2,3,4 times or more by positive feedbacks like humidity and ice albedo.
There are three problems with these assumptions about positive feedback. One, there is no empirical evidence at all that positive feedbacks in climate dominate negative feedbacks. The 20th century temperature numbers we discussed above show no evidence of these feedbacks. Two, the long-term temperature record demonstrates that positive feedbacks can’t dominate, because past increases in temperature and CO2 have not run away. And three, characterizations of stable natural processes as being dominated by positive feedback should offend the intuition and common sense of any scientist.An expected 21st century increase of 0.5 or even 1 degree C does not justify the massive imposed government interventions that will be costly both in dollars and lost freedoms. In particular, the developing world will be far better off hotter by a degree and richer than it would be cooler and poorer. This is particularly true since sources like an Inconvenient Truth wildly exaggerate the negative effects of global warming. There is no evidence tornadoes or hurricanes or disease or extinction are increasing as the world warms, and man-made warming advocates generally ignore any potential positive effects of warming. As to rising sea levels, the IPCC predicts only a foot and a half of sea level rise even with 4 or more degrees of warming. Sea level rise from a half to one degree of warming would be measured in inches.
Interesting post “Scientists for prosperity.”
Enjoyed reading it.
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“Makes you wonder doesn’t it,”
Interesting comment on consensus and science. You are correct of course, as many single scientists have stepped outside of the box and made discoveries and produced theories that we still used today.
use=used
With respect to how yields varied with changes in temperature, they report the following:
• “Wine grape yields were favored by years with warm nighttime temperatures in April and higher rainfall in June. Warm April temperatures reflect decreased risk of frost damage during the vulnerable post-budbreak spring growing period, when frosts can severely depress yields by damaging rapidly developing vegetative and cluster tissues”
• “Lettuce yields appear aided by warm days in April (up to about 23°C), as well as the October prior to harvest year.”
• “Table grape yields were increased with October rains in the year preceding harvest, and with warm nighttime July temperatures.”
• “Orange yields were most correlated with ppt [precipitation] in May and tmin [minimum temperatures] in December prior to and March of the harvest year.”
• “The strongest climatic response variable for cotton was a positive effect on yield for warmer May tmax [maximum temperatures]”
• “Tomato yields increased with warm April tmax, and with June tmax up to 32°C”
• “No significant relationships with climate were identified for pistachios yields”
Not all the results were so positive – almonds and walnuts prefer cooler nights in February, strawberries like cool temperatures in November, avocadoes were sensitive to both warm and cold depending on development of the fruit, and hay yields increased in cooler winter seasons. They conclude that “Overall, climate changes since 1980 have had a mixed effect on yields of these 12 crops, with a small net effect on the food crop sector.”
So during the time of greatest greenhouse gas buildup, during a time of “unprecedented” warming (according to the five million websites), crop yields in California increased, many crops seem to benefit from warming, others do not, and overall, the variations in climate had a “small net effect” of California agriculture.
Doomsday is delayed – again!
Reference:
Lobell, D.B., K.N. Cahill, and C.B. Field, 2007. Historical effects of temperature and precipitation on California crop yields. Climatic Change, 81, 187-203.
I like wine. And……..
TROPICAL DEPRESSION ERIN NOW STRIKING KANSAS!
PUBLIC ADVISORY NUMBER 18 FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION ERINNWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD AL0520071000 PM CDT SAT AUG 18 2007
…TROPICAL DEPRESSION ERIN IS NOW NEAR THE TEXAS-OKLAHOMA BORDER… HEAVIEST RAINS FOUND ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN AND CENTRALOKLAHOMA…
FLASH FLOOD WATCHES ARE IN EFFECT FOR NORTH-CENTRAL TEXAS ANDSOUTHWEST OKLAHOMA.
FLOOD WARNINGS HOWEVER ARE IN EFFECT FOR SCATTERED PORTIONS OFCENTRAL AND SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS.
AT 1000 PM CDT…0300 UTC…THE CENTER OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION ERINWAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 35.1 NORTH…LONGITUDE 100.3WEST…ABOUT 40 MILES…65 KILOMETERS…NORTH OF CHILDRESS TEXAS.
THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH…9 KT…16 KM/H.THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE DURING THE NEXT 12 TO24 HOURS.
Hey Jim,
You think the hicks in Kansas are still awake to read your post?
I think they are moving to their outhouses for the night and maybe checking on their cows one last time.
God Bless em, one and all.
They are missing West Eleventh and the enlightenment of the General Patton age.
IF there is no such thing as concensus in science, which is ridiculous, then why would anybody ever go to a different doctor for a 2nd opinion… unless of course you want to argue that medicine isnt science!!
Get real folks… No concensus in science is just a Limbaugh screw up of major proportions, typical of the rest of his propaganda!!
People get so arrogant. It wasn’t long ago when people in europe thought that everyone that lived in the United States where back water hicks.
You know nothing about the people who write here (I grew up in the Northwest). You think you know everything because you live in a bigger city. You only reveal your own ignorance, you are missing out on some of the greatest things in life.
Now excuse me, I have to walk out in the freezing cold to my outhouse.
They may not see the post, but they’ll see Erin as they head out back to the crapper.
They might pause a moment out back to look up and see Spudnik!
The Atlantic Satelite loop shows a northward push starting in the westward flow.
Will need to watch this carefully.
One key indicator will be to see if DEAN hits Western Cuba on the way westward. This would be an indication that steering winds are indeed turning Dean north.
New Olreans needs to be prepared, as these storms can turn on a dime, when trade winds shift in this manner.
Further developments will be reported right here on the WE Blog.
http://www.intellicast.com/Storm/Hurricane/AtlanticSatellite.aspx?animate=true
I wonder if anybody has ever considered the possibility that on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean, there could be an erupting volcano??? It wouldnt be the first time such a thing has happened… And it would explain a LOT of unanswered questions by both sides of the GW issue….
SHOVE IT Bubba!!! Go shoot a juke box or something useful!!
Satelite loop?
What the sam he-l you talking about?
What I want to know from these Witchytaa people is what kind of cows they grow.
Do they have Jersey cows they stole from out my way, some of them Herefords?
If I could find an aireo plane that actually flies to Kansas, and lands in Witchytaa via about two other cities, what kind of cows will I see?
Can I use black and white film, or do I need color?
Outta here at 11:29 p.m.
And it would explain a LOT of unanswered questions by both sides of the GW issue….
Posted by: Chas. |
Chas my man! Looks like I found a live one. You still awake?
Is it true there are many meteorites being found in Kansas on the open ranges. Is this true?
Is there recorded history of any of them hitting cows?
I did read somewhere about one huge meteorite slammed into Kansas.
Maybe it fell on Chas’s head! Sometin done got into that boy.
Bet his mother’s giving him a whipping right now!
My cow’s name is steve. I’ve raised him since I was five. He wears ruby red slippers and I ride him into town to go the general store. They tell me one of these days we might get running water.
Yes, Mr. Jethro, you are exactly right about how all of us live.
Sadly, I think the entire state of Kansas is in bed by now.Not much chance of getting any opinions posted here.
I would have thought that even Kansas has a few unemployed cow punchers on welfare and food stamps who stay up all night.
Guess not.
Yes, Mr. Jethro, you are exactly right about how all of us live.
Posted by: JB
JB my man! So what kind of cow is Steve? Are you going to eat him?
ummm….. He is….. the milk kind of cow…
I couldn’t eat him. He married my sister.
Wow! Your sister married a cow? I thought the gays were bad. But you folks approved marriage between animals and people? Far out! I guess as long as both parties consent. To each his own.
I thought for a moment there you might know the difference between Holsteins and Friesians. But apparently your sister married a bull?
You apparently have more information about farm animals than I… Just trying to confirm your ideas about Kansans. That way everybody goes away feeling better about themselves… You in your happy bubble of arogance and me in my nice quiet Kansas town where I don’t have to worry about getting shot when I go for a walk in the evening. It’s all good.
Update! Very strange situation in the Gulf of Mexico.
Similar to the way Erin formed right in the gulf, A NEW DEPRESSION is forming and moving west.
This could become a Tropical Storm (that would be named Felix) out AHEAD of Dean.
As Dean approaches Felix from behind, it could be a catyclysmic collosal collision of cyclones!
Ohhhh! Don’t let the children watch!
http://www.intellicast.com/Storm/Hurricane/CaribbeanSatellite.aspx?animate=true
I suppose JB that it is all good. There is crime out here, but it’s dropped greatly in the last few years.
We don’t have to worry about it in my building. We have security 24-7 and cameras. Don’t really have to venture out too far. We have a convenience store on the 23rd floor.
So I don’t have problems with crime here.
Sounds good. I have a friend that lives in Chicago, she says that she actually feels safer in some ways.
To each there own, I say. I liked living on the coast, but my job landed me here, so here I am. I have actually found that I like small town life more than I would have ever expected.
Hey Jim G.
Any chance that hurricane is hitting Aruba? I’m heading that way next month to my time schare.
You should be OK there. Usually they stock up on enough Rum just in case.
Man Jethro, you can afford to go to Aruba?
“Interesting post “Scientists for prosperity.”
Enjoyed reading it.”
Posted by: Kansas, aka troll | August 18, 2007 at 10:00 PM
The ‘I had science classes in college’ (how many decades ago?) troll seems to consider “Anonymous” at,http://friction.tv/debate.php?debateno=60“Anonymous says1. CO2 does indeed absorb reflected sunlight returning to space from earth, having a warming effect. …”
a more credible source than the peer-reviewed, and published science in the reports at,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
BTW: Even young children can understand that CO2 does NOT “absorb reflected sunlight returning to space from earth”. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation.
We’ve invested wisely. Aruba is not that expensive. They have gone up over the years, but the death of the American girl there a couple of years ago has scared off some.
Aqua blue beaches. Anyway, it’s two weeks there and then on to Tel Aviv for the fall.
LoL Bubba.
No package, I have to come back to work in between trips. It’s been crazy at work the past two weeks with the market. But I can say traders have been handling it well. No one jumping out windows yet.
I just love it when the TROLLS talk to themselves… from the same keyboard… ROFLMAO!!!
Nite all!! 12:19 a.m.
Ah, now I know how you got rich!
Any hot picks? Much seems to be going down, then up, wild swings these days.
I gotta get going meself.
Gnite Gma! Gnite Gpa!
Gnite John boy!
Gnite Sista!
Gnite wife! (Oops, already said gnite Sista!)
Bubba I understand.
Small towns in the country don’t have much in the way of entertainment for the Chas’s of the great plains. The internet and blogs must have been a godsend for them.
“This article appeared in Apple Daily, November 3, 2004.”
Posted by: Palm Trees for Sale | August 18, 2007 at 09:23 PM
The ‘Apple Daily’ is NOT a credible, peer-reviewed science journal.
Thank you for another example of the anti-GW “court jesters”.
Is Global Warming Always Bad?by Patrick J. Michaelshttp://www.cato.org/dailys/11-07-04.html
‘FACTSHEET: Patrick J. Michaels’http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=4
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Patrick_Michaels
‘Patrick MichaelsPaid by fossil fuel industry’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1567
Thank you for another example of the GW “court jesters”. Your sources can be called just as much trash. Your opinion doesn’t amount to shit. Of course mine isn’t much better. Just as factual and scientific though.
More importantly, I gave you something to do tonight looking up all my references.
Mission accomplished.
His mother read them for him.
The ‘Apple Daily’ is NOT a credible, peer-reviewed science journal. (world according to Cosmos sprockets from the Jetsons)
Peer-reviewed my ass. Maybe not, but you can publish anything YOU want on the blog and make scientific comments that are given the COSMOS seal of approval. It doesn’t mean squat.
But I do know it is now COSMOS reviewed!
;-)
Have a slooooooow night!
“Your opinion doesn’t amount to shit. Of course mine isn’t much better. Just as factual and scientific though.”
Posted by: Palm Trees | August 19, 2007 at 12:45 AM
These are some of the scientific opinions that count,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
But you, and your “court jesters” are UNABLE to refute them.
“More importantly, I gave you something to do tonight looking up all my references.”
It took me only a few seconds, and it proved you’re VERY GULLIBLE. AND/OR an anti-GW “court jester”???
Nice try cosmos.
But I took you on a little trip.All day long. Hook, line, and sinker.
;-)
“Nice try cosmos.
But I took you on a little trip.All day long. Hook, line, and sinker.
;-)”
What an absolutely trollish comment.
Translation:
“I caused my opponent to check a link, therefore, I WIN!!”
Getting a reaction.
Grow up child.
“But, as a Zionists, why would you care. You just get congress to bleed our Treasury for you needs.Posted by: Ed Friedemann”
“Ed, my investments are doing just fine, heh? Maybe if you took off a few layers of hate off your shoulders, the self-pity, and loathing racism, you might advance yourself and thereby your people as a whole.
There is an old saying that applies yes?
You cannot open a shop unless you know how to smile.”
“Posted by: Abraham Silberstein | August 18, 2007 at 04:52 PM”
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Notice how Abraham avoids dealing with the issue, and immediatlely changes the debate to “poor hated Abraham”
The Issue I raise has merit, but Abraham doesn’t have a reasonable answer to debate, and as a result pulls the same old Zionist-trick of changing the subject to “shooting the messenger”
In a way it’s sad. Sad that the Abrahams are so worthless that they can’t find anyway to defend themselves or their rotten behaviour other than accuse the other-side of being unfair by simply asking the question or offering the debating point.
The dangers of trying to live in a myth.
The dangers of trying to live in a myth.Posted by: Ed Friedemann
Ed my boy, we monitor all the American blogs. Our people are everywhere. We have much invested in our American business partner.
We will ensure the truth stays published to counter your racism and hate.
We know it is the truth which will set you free.