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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 17, 2007 at 1:07 a.m.
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Kansas PACs in the “Top Ten” List During Election Years 2002, 2004, 2006. Who are the political “big money” players in Kansas?
http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2007/08-17.htm
Does anybody really know what time it is; does anybody really care??
We have all prayed for the miners in Utah. Well, us working people anyway. But with rescuers being injured and killed and no sign of life being heard from the drilled holes, it may be time to call off the tunnel rescue operation.
There is hope to rehabilitate some Republicans. My County Commissoner, Woody Thompson, was a Republican but I always liked him. He stood up for the neighbourhoods and did not allow developers to push us around as they do in so many areas around here. He also sttod with us when we sucessfully opposed a conveience store getting a beer license. But he was a Republican and many of us just cannot vote for a Republican anymore so he lost. Well now I am glad to see he has become a Democrat!
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2007/08/13/polinsider.html
There are a few decent Republicans out there. People like Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chaffee for example and hopefully these people will take a good long hard look at what their party has come to represent and get out too! We welcome them!
…hahahahahahahahaahahehehehheh!
Still laughing. I can only quote John Prine in response.
“Now Jesus dont like killin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your flag decal wont get you, into heaven… any…. more……”
Although I might paraphrase the Prinester by saying:
“Now Jesus dont like hatin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your cross decal wont get you, into heaven… any… more…”
Or another Prine song?
“Pretty good, not bad, I cant complain, but actually, all them gods are just about the same!”
Hey, at least the story of PRINE’s life isnt fiction….
Woops, wrong thread. Sorry. Out of practice…
It is true that Wal-Mart is not the only one who buys chinese made products with USA names forged on them. Which means why buy from Wal-Mart when those products can be purchased most anywhere. This household quit shopping Wal-Mart fours years ago because everything Wal-Mart sells is available elsewhere,there was not a huge savings if any at all,service is better elsewhere,gasoline prices further reduced any savings to almost none at all and their practice of screwing american workers out of jobs.
What Wal-Mart has done to many large corporations is agreed to buy USA made products to be placed on Wal-Mart shelves. After these corporations have adjusted labor and materials accordingly to meet the Wal-Mart demand and effectively became addicted to Wal-Mart selling power Wal-Mart then dictates to these brand name suppliers the price Wal-Mart will pay for THEIR products. If totally american based corporations would not meet the Wal-Mart dictated wholesale price the products would no longer be allowed on Wal-Mart shelves. Thus in an effort to keep american NAMED companies from going totally bankrupt companies cave in and move production to China to meet the Wal-Mart dictated price thus thousands of our american brothers and sisters lose their jobs each time this happens. I know of no other company that has used this tactic.
Sooner or later millions of americans have lost their good paying jobs and Wal-Mart does not give a damn. Explain to me,anyone, how millions of americans without their good paying jobs is healthy for the USA economy. Levis is one such company that shut down five factories and was considered one of the absolute best american corporations with regard to salary and benefits. That famous pickle company was another. What americans have done is reduced USA economic impact and increased Chinese Government Economic Impact by supporting Wal-Mart business practices. NO country can afford the loss of millions of good paying jobs to another country NOT even the USA. The Chinese Government has a firm grip on the USA economy…why is america supporting such nonsense?
http://cafehayek.typepad.com/hayek/
“why is america supporting such nonsense?”
Good question Mr. Heckler maybe the patrons at cafehayek could enlighten us all or not
Wal-mart profits are down; noticed in Topeka Wal-mart a gallon of one percent milk was over $4; same product in small town grocer was $3.69.
That Wal-mart, it be tricky.
More on the man who threw his wife off the balcony story:
Man arraigned in death of wife thrown from balconyAdvertisementKANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — A man accused of throwing his ailing wife four stories to her death took her away from her mother’s home last month and never brought her back, two of the woman’s sisters said.
Criste Reimer, 47, was found Tuesday outside her apartment building. Her husband, Stanley J. Reimer, was arraigned Thursday on a charge of second-degree murder.
Criste Reimer had been living with her mother for several months and was doing well, said her sisters, Vicki Jones and Terri Metrano.
But in mid-July, they told The Kansas City Star on Thursday, her husband visited the mother’s home near Kansas City and said he was taking Criste Reimer to dinner.
They never came back, the sisters said.
“I was scared to death,” Jones said. “I did not want him around her.”
Stanley Reimer’s mood changed last fall, the sisters said.
“He just got scary,” Jones said. “It was like we just didn’t know him anymore.”
Stanley Reimer, 51, was dressed in prison clothes and handcuffed to another inmate when he appeared in Jackson County Circuit Court on Thursday. He did not have a lawyer at the hearing and requested representation by the public defender’s office.
He remained jailed on $250,000 bond.
The judge scheduled another hearing for Sept. 10.
According to court documents filed Wednesday in Jackson County Circuit Court, Reimer, who worked in the finance department of the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, walked his wife to the balcony of their apartment Tuesday night and threw her over.
Police have said said Reimer told them he could no longer pay the bills for his wife’s treatment for neurological problems and uterine cancer.
After Reimer took his wife from her mother’s home, her sisters said, he tried to keep her isolated from other family members.
But Jones said that on Monday, Criste Reimer told her mother that she wanted to go back to the mother’s house.
A Nelson-Atkins official who refused to be named said Reimer had worked in the museum’s finance department since 1996 and that the museum offers full family insurance coverage to its employees. She would not say if the Reimers had that coverage, citing privacy concerns.
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Information from: The Kansas City Star, http://www.kcstar.com_____________
Ok this wasn’t merely a man who was at the end of his rope. There was support.
IRS investigates Wichita church
By ROXANA HEGEMANAssociated Press WriterWICHITA, Kan. (AP) — The pastor of a conservative Christian church being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service said the threat of losing its tax-exempt status will not stop the church from fighting abortion.
“We will continue regardless of what the IRS does,” said Rev. Mark Holick, pastor of Spirit One Christian Center. “We will continue to obey the Lord.”
Holick told reporters Thursday that the church, which has about 150 members, is being investigated for political involvement simply because it speaks against abortion. He called the investigation a violation of the church’s First Amendment rights.
Under federal tax law, churches can discuss politics, but can lose their tax-exempt status if they endorse candidates or parties.
A letter from the IRS released by the church showed the agency was specifically concerned about signs in front of the church that criticized Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and Attorney General Paul Morrison during their 2006 campaigns. The letter also noted Holick’s involvement in distributing voter guides with candidate endorsements outside various churches.
Other items of concern included a message sent by Holick on the church e-mail account regarding last year’s attorney general’s race between Morrison and then-attorney General Phill Kline and an article posted on the church Web site opposing Hillary Clinton’s election as president. The IRS also extensively questioned visits made by Kline to the church.
Holick’s comments were made during a news conference in front of abortion provider George Tiller’s clinic, one of the nation’s few remaining late-term abortion providers. Holick blamed Tiller and his supporters for using the IRS to go after the church.
“They are using it as a bullying tactic to silence the church, to silence freedom of speech,” Holick said.
Tiller did not respond to a message left at his clinic. But Julie Burkhart, a lobbyist for ProKanDo, a political action committee Tiller formed, said her group did not file the IRS complaint against the church.
“We have other people in this community who are concerned about the church overstepping its tax-exempt bounds,” she said. “We cannot take credit for that.”
Doug Ittner, an abortion rights supporter affiliated with an informal group calling itself the Maggot Punks, told The Associated Press that he filed two complaints as a private citizen with the IRS regarding the church’s signs during the elections.
“It is just one more tool,” Ittner said of the IRS. “Might as well get the government to do our work for us, and Spirit One helps by breaking the law.”
The IRS did not immediately return a call for comment.
The church, which was formed in 1991, has responded to a lengthy questionnaire from the agency and now is facing an audit, Holick said. The agency wants to examine financial and accounting records. A meeting is planned between church officials and IRS agents.
During the tumultuous race for attorney general, Kline formulated a “church effort” to take full advantage of his support among conservative Christians. In an internal memo to his staff, Kline discussed political receptions held after services, directing his staff to get friendly pastors to invite “money people.” Someone leaked the memo to reporters.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State said during the elections that Kline’s campaign was leading churches and pastors onto dangerous legal ground, possibly jeopardizing their tax-exempt status.
Holick said Kline preached at the church in 2003 and 2004, but his sermons were not political.
Kline did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
Holick hosted a fundraiser for Kline at his home in October, an e-mail released by the church showed. He also participated in an effort distributing voter guides outside churches that highlighted anti-abortion candidates.
“In essence because I got involved politically outside the church, they are now investigating my church,” Holick said. “What they are saying is that as a Christian you can’t get involved politically.”
Months before November’s midterm elections, the Internal Revenue Service warned that it would be scrutinizing churches to make sure they do not violate their tax-exempt status. Both liberal and conservative groups have responded by lodging numerous complaints against churches.
Last year, the IRS revoked the tax-exempt status of the Wichita-based Operation Rescue West for prohibited political activity during the 2004 election. The group, now known as Operation Rescue, relinquished its charitable status and reorganized more than a year ago.———-
Did Holick go crazy? He was so obviously using his church to get his message out. This wasn’t merely on his private time. Or is Holick one of those who think it’s ok to lie as long as it is for God?
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“In essence because I got involved politically outside the church, they are now investigating my church,” Holick said. “What they are saying is that as a Christian you can’t get involved politically.”
What a LOAD of hooey!
As a “christian” you can do anything politically that you want to do.
You just cant use the IRS 501(c)3 rules to do it. Imagine, churches have to obey the SAME rules as other non-profits.
Heheheh. No exceptions. Render unto Ceasar and all that.
Tax cheaters for JESUS!
All churches should loose their tax exempt status! These fear mongers need to know their place. I have been calling for this for some time, and its good to see its happening. There is a serperation of Church and State, and they need to realize where the line is. If they decide to cross it then they need to pay taxes like the rest of us. It was the churches and their interest of protecting their money that prevented a casino in Sedgwick county. They didn’t want to see their bingo profits dry up so they exaggerated the facts to mislead the public. I know of about 50 more churches that need investigating. Pay taxes or shut up!
“What they are saying is that as a Christian you can’t get involved politically.”
Yes we see the new meme. It compliments the “poor persecuted majority” whine just like a nice brie…
hee hee hee
Keep up the justified criticism and the wingnuts here might actually WANT to talk about gay marriage….
‘Cause ya know, to quote someone else, I’m so tired of all this christian talk that I may close my open mind….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BbpGKLXqk
Iraq,The time has comeTo say fair’s fairTo pay the rentTo pay our shareThe time has comeA fact’s a factIt belongs to themLet’s give it back
Let’s all join together now, and REALLY show support for our Troops in Iraq, and the Middle East… Let’s all join together and DEMAND that they all be brought home!!
ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
WARNING TO THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE GULF COAST!
Dean is still a HURRICANE Category 2! Yeeeahhhh!!!! Oh my God Look Out! 100 mph sustained winds and projected to -
GO INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO BY early Wednesday morning 8/29!!!!!
It is now Friday 8/24, so MAYOR NAGIN, you have 6 days of warning from today.
(8 days notice from Wednesday’s first alert!)
AND IT IS PROJECTED TO STRENGTHEN TO A Category 4 or 5 with winds upwards of 140 MPH!!!
ATTN: MAYOR NAGIN AND NEW ORLEANS
Get off your tail and DO something this time! Flappin your lips after the fact doesn’t count!
This has been a public service annoucement presented by:
Americans Holding Government Accountable to The People
Were Hurricane warnings NOT issued by the National Hurricane Storm Prediction center for Katrina?
This hurricane is just more evidence of global warming.
We have to do something about it now!
Hurricane warnings were issued for Katrina… the New Orleans Levees all broke!!! And the Fed response was just plain s l o w, and disorganized… especially when they had ample warning time… The Fed response to the entire Katrina disaster was s l o w, not just in New Orleans
I find myself almost wishing that the Hurricane heading for Florida blows away Limbaugh’s mansion on the Ocean… just to teach him a lesson!! Heheheheheeee
So why didn’t all the people evacuate New Orleans if there was adequate warning time?
Everyone knows most of the city is below sea level, and that it would be foolish to rely on levees (of any height) during a Category 3, 4 or 5 Hurricane, when your living room is below sea level.
HATESPEECH:
I find myself almost wishing that the Hurricane heading for Florida blows away Limbaugh’s mansion on the Ocean… just to teach him a lesson!! Heheheheheeee
Posted by: Chas. | August 17, 2007 at 09:30 AM
Leroy–
Maybe because 1. they didn’t have cars, 2. they had no place to go and 3. they had no money to stay someplace else once they got there.
Dumbsh*t.
LeRoyNot everyone has a Land Rover that they can just jump into and leave. There are poor people out here. There also sick and bedridden people too. Real easy to say….why didn’t you just leave? Leaving takes money, trasportation, etc.. Calling people foolish for staying as if they had a choice is shameful. It is ironic though that the USS Hospitality made it to Peru in two days, but it took 5 days to get water and food to New Orleans. Peru must have gotten all their forms to Washington in record time. Since that is the argument from the Bushies as to why the federal gov’t did not respond to Katrina immediately.
I thought the city of New Orleans had an evacuation plan in place.
Why didn’t they execute it?
Why did they leave all those buses unused, sitting in the parking lots?
Didn’t the evacuation plan have established shelters in public schools, and shopping malls in nearby inland cities?
Hey, maybe it takes the reality of Weather to wake Limbaugh up!!
I dont think thats hate speech… It’s not like I am trying to DO anything to steer the hurricane to Limbaugh’s mansion…
But, hey, if it makes you feel any better to call it hate speech, be my guest… Rush does the same thing to all kinds of people for 3 hours every day, 5 days a week… Bout time the shoe is on the other foot for a change…
Are you serious LeRoy? Who was going to drive the buses? Those people had families too that needed to get out of town. Its was apparenly obvious that the evacuation plan was not executed. That said, when the situation on the ground was obvious why didn’t the federal gov’t respond? Why did it take 5 days for food and water to arrive? Oh, it was because the feds were waiting for the state to come begging. Afterall, its a democratic governor and a democratic mayor. Why should we help them? They are not our base.
Fine Mike, just let em drown. That was Nagin’s plan and yours.
Please put down the pipe LeRoy. Its clouding your judgement. Please reread my post and I will be here waiting for an apology. I said that the evacuation plan was obviously not executed. It was the aftermath that falls into the administrations lap. Condie was buying shoes, Bush was on vacation, and Cheney was….well who knows. But none of them were at the office or showing any concern for the people in the Gulf. Where have you ever heard Nagin say that the people should drown? Where have you read anything that I have posted that lead you to that conclusion? You Bushies just grab at straws.
BTW, any know the official count of victims of Katrina?
Don’t count the bodies that washed out of the above ground graves in the cemetaries, they were already dead.
Ya sorta have to evacuate em before you worry about feeding them don’t you?
Most of the victims drowned city in their homes and neighborhoods in New Orleans.
No one even tried to get them out before the storm hit.
And to evacuate after the storm hits, even an idiot should know, is too late.
Nagin failed to save the people.
How many school buses did Nagin drive?
Oh, that’s right, he was in a shelter in Baton Rouge.
Where’s that death toll number for Katrina? Nobody knows the official number?
Oh, and how much Federal money has been spent already? Where’d it go? And why aren’t the houses rebuilt yet?
LeRoy,
I know someone who was in N.O. when the hurricane hit. Because of transportation problems, he was unable to leave. There were *some* schools and churches open, for those who knew about them or could get to them. Thanks to a couple of police officers, he went to one. Want to hear what it was like?
Because the sewer lines were flooded, the toilets stopped flushing. People got sick. One man died. For several days, they had no food, no water. Finally, someone arrived with ice, then a little pre-prepared food. He was one of the lucky ones.
When was the last time you heard that EVERYONE in the area of a hurricane left? I have friends in Florida who have waited out the storm. You act as if N.O. was the only city that wasn’t completely deserted.
Canada welcomes the birth of the newest set of quadruplets born to proud Canadian parents. Karen and J.P. Jepp. However, the Jepp quads will be eligible to run for the presidency of the United States when they reach the age of 35, having been born in Benefis Hospital in Great Falls, Montana, 325 miles from their home in Calgary, capital of the Canadian oil industry.
The precious gift of American citizenship comes to the Jepp Quads because there were no hospital facilities anywhere in Canada able to handle 4 neonatal intensive care babies. Not in Calgary, a city of over a million people, the wealthiest in Canada, or anywhere else in Canada. Local officials looked.
However, Great Falls, a city of well under one hundred thousand people, apparently had no problem with unusual demand for such facilities.http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/canadas_universal_health_care.html
“Where’d it go? And why aren’t the houses rebuilt yet?”
First, the debris must be cleaned up. Halliburton hasn’t even gotten that done yet.
That should answer your question about where the money went.
Scott Beauchamp was the last straw. I realized that I need a scorecard to keep track of all the fallen journalists, journalistic mistakes and major and minor screw-ups in the media. I couldn’t find one already made, although Wikipedia came close, so I started my own. I apologize if there is a good list already out there, but I looked and could not find.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/its_not_just_scott_beauchamp.html
Who was going to drive the school buses?
Hmmm? Good question? School Bus Drivers?
Here in Wichita they have a bus driver for almost every school bus, reserve drivers and probably enough drivers in Wichita with Class B CDL Passenger certification to drive all of the buses under emergency circumstances.
Then there are the city buses.
There of course Church Buses.
Then there are buses that drive the handicap, private and government.
There are hospital mini buses.
There are contractor buses.
Yeah, lots of excuses out there.
Let’s see, if you don’t drive and need help, call.
Or put a white flag or sign in front of your house requesting a ride.
Or ask a neighbor.
Or you can sit in you house like a cabbage patch doll hoping that nothing will happen.
Or you can sit in your house with no stored water or food even though you knew danger was coming.
Yeah, lots of choices out there in this world, tough when one has to make decisions on what to do personally to save their own neck.
The, I can walk 10 miles 8 hours before the storm hits is a bit too late.
Saw lots of healthy people walking and talking, but very little doing.
I do have to ask you Kansas…is your basement stocked with supplies, a generator, batteries and a radio? You never know when that big tornado will hit.
Another thing…when the tornado sirens go off, do you run outside or seek shelter?
Actually my basement is stocked PMom. I have an emergency lighting, generator, radio, and food which I rotate in and out of my kitchen so it doesn’t get too old.
I have an emergency action plan written out for fire, bad weather and floods – I memorize it.
I have a call list for Church members who I know might need some help. I call them and even go to their house to pick them up and take them to the Church basement.
I donate to the Sheriff, Fire and Police agencies in their education programs, because I know the children need to be informed.
Part of the planning comes from military, part from living in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio – all of which are known Tornado and flood areas.
Some of it comes from my Parents and Grandparents who knew that you prepare for the worst and expect for the best.
Yes PMom, I do have common sense and that helps me to be a survivor and not a victim.
p mom
I can’t speak for Kansas but I personally have a generator and gas to run it to keep the house liveable and the freezer frozen for 2 weeks or better. Food enough to survive for 2 months or more if used sparingly. Crank up radio, alternate water supply. And lots of guns and ammo. Am I paranoid? No, prepared. (you should have seen the pantry for y2k)
kansas — Yes PMom, I do have common sense and that helps me to be a survivor and not a victim.
And a conceal carry permit, too, n.d.
Say Rox, big difference between most areas in FL and New Orleans – elevation!
If you live below sea level, it’s not a good idea to ride out a hurricane sitting in your house praying that levees hold.
Much of New Orleans is 0 to 12 feet below sea level: http://www.gnocdc.org/maps/PDFs/neworleans_elevation.pdf
and sits between the Mississippi River, Lake Ponchartrain, Lake Borgne, Lake Salvador, and pretty darn near the Gulf of Mexico you know.
In FL, if you are above sea level, not in a flood zone, you have a strong structure built to withstand high winds, it might be ok to ride out the hurricane.
Another big difference between FL and LA, the Governor of FL, (and in TX and MS, and AL too) requests Federal assistance BEFORE a Hurricane hits.
A little Federal law says that the Federal government cannot move Federal troops into a state without the governors permission.
And a conceal carry permit, too, n.d.
Posted by: Door King | August 17, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Actually no Door King.
I have two ancient weapons. One is a an old bolt action 22 caliber single shot rifle. The other is an almost antique double barrel 10 gauge. I don’t think the 10 gauge is functional anymore. I have a old 4-10, but I think it’s in storage or somewhere.
I never did take a liking to handguns.
I do have a kendo stick though and have been known to whack people three times before they blink an eye. :)
LeRoy, last I heard, FEMA doesnt have anything to do with moving in military troops… And a governor doesnt need Fed approval to activate the state National Guard.
Max, read this. Do you still think the ‘big boys’ don’t manipulate the markets? That SS of the working class chumps should be in the markets to make them richer?CNBC’s Cramer boasts of manipulating marketsBy Matt Krantz, USA TODAYhttp://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/2007-03-23-cramer-usat_N.htmCNBC TV host Jim Cramer has made a name for himself telling viewers how to make money in the stock market. Here’s one time he might wish he’d kept quiet.
In a video originally broadcast on trading website TheStreet.com on Dec. 22, 2006, that resurfaced this week on YouTube, Cramer discusses at length ways he and other hedge fund managers have been able to manipulate security prices for quick gains.
VIDEO: Jim Cramer talks with TheStreet.com about manipulating markets
“A lot of times when I was short (stocks) at my hedge fund … meaning I needed it (the stock) down …I would create a level of activity beforehand that would drive the futures,” the Mad Money host said in a broadcast that was removed from YouTube Thursday but was available on TheStreet.com as of Thursday night. “It’s a fun game, and it’s a lucrative game.”
Shorting stocks — selling borrowed shares in hopes of buying them back later at a lower price, thus making a profit — is a common trading tool used by hedge funds.
Cramer’s comments surprised lawyers and regulators. “I think that the Securities and Exchange Commission and the U.S. Attorney are likely going to have to decide whether Cramer is just a braggart, or just confessed,” says Gidon Caine at law firm Jones Day.
Cramer described how he would make bets that gave the impression knowledgeable investors were predicting a stock’s future. Cramer said everything he did was legal but added that illegal activity is common in the hedge fund industry, where regulation is lax.
Cramer said some hedge fund managers spread false rumors about a company to large trading desks and the media to drive a stock price lower. He said this practice is illegal, but easy to do “because the SEC doesn’t understand it.”
He also said Research In Motion and Apple are easy targets.
Cramer didn’t return messages left with CNBC or multiple e-mails asking for comment. Aaron Task, the editor at TheStreet.com who moderated the interview, had no comment. CNBC declined comment as did the SEC and Research In Motion. Apple had no comment.
There is no indication Cramer is in any legal trouble. But he could be in hot water with peers, having referred to a “bozo” reporter at The Wall Street Journal who covers Research In Motion and saying CNBC markets reporter Bob Pisani could be used to place information.
“The way that the market really works is to have that nexus of: Hit the brokerage houses with a series of orders that push it down, then leak it to the press and then get it on CNBC,” he says.
Cramer’s revelations should alert regulators that it’s time to take a closer look at hedge funds, says Lynn Turner, former SEC chief accountant now at Glass Lewis.
“They will jump on this,” he says, adding that he doesn’t think Cramer will face legal action.
Others hope Cramer will help fix the problem.
“I’m delighted if someone who understands how this works is truly on a reforming bent,” says Michael Josephson, an ethics expert at the Josephson Institute of Ethics. He says Cramer should brief regulators on how to stop the practice. “It’s not enough to rant on this.”
But, above all, it’s a warning to all investors that hedge funds aren’t the amazing investments they might appear to be, says Mark Hebner of Index Funds Advisors.
“Few (hedge fund) investors know what’s really going on behind the door of the trading floor,” he says.
DOW is up 300 points.
What? No cheers or is this too painful for the left? :)
So why didn’t all the people evacuate New Orleans if there was adequate warning time?
Posted by: LeRoy | August 17, 2007 at 09:32 AM
That would have been logical Leroy. Then the ‘hate Bush’ crowd might have to say the citizens of NO should have shown some common sense – from Nagin on down.
We in Kansas knew 3 days before Katrina hit that there was a high probablility that the levies would be breached and still the people stayed right there. The buses never moved. No emergency plan was executed – and Bush didn’t show up on a white horse to lead them to safety.
Chas, Leroy said rightly so that the gov is the one who can activate the national guard in her state – not the feds unless she asked for the help. She didn’t. Blanco certainly lived down to her name.
Rox billions have gone to NO and very little has been done. I too would like to know where it has gone. Maybe we need to be checking some pockets. And how in the world did Haliburton come into this?
This old mantra, ‘Blame Bush, Blame Cheney, Blame Rove or Blame Haliburton is getting old. When will the left wake up and realize that they are failing their own base. You intimated yesterday that you didn’t vote for the Iraq war so I assumed that you were a gov rep. What have you done lately?
DOW is up 300 points.
What? No cheers or is this too painful for the left? :)
Posted by: Kansas | August 17, 2007 at 12:20 PM
This is another one of those news annoucements that ‘isn’t good news for them’ as their own members have said.
Boooo! I hate making money!
DOW is up 300 points.
What? No cheers or is this too painful for the left? :)
sure the free market capitalists had to have the nanny state come in and bail them out whoopee.It’s all right to lie cheat and steal there is no risk.
Why anniem your bias is showing better tuck it in. People might think you are against the free market. Would this this make you a communist or socialist?
Okay annie moose, what’s the alternative?
Pure socialism?
or
Would you rather the stock market completely crash?
Nanny State? No, that would be what the Leftist Liberals want. Sucking on the teat of the government to take care of every need.
You are a confused person annie moose or should I say a leftist blogger in their troll disguise.
(compares IP numbers and giggles)
The Government in LA and New Orleans is so corrupt and so screwed-up:
1) Government can’t evacuate people in time of crisis EVEN WHEN AMPLE WARNING IS GIVEN.2) Government can’t count their own dead.3) There should be no excuses from New Orleans tolerated the next time, weather it be Hurricane Dean or the next one.4) Billions of Federal dollars should not be shelled out again to New Orleans. They’ve had their chance to move to higher safer ground.5) Where’d the Federal money go, if New Orleans ain’t rebuilt yet?
Corruption, Corruption, Corruption.
And the Libs would make Government bigger, and bigger, and bigger!
And corrupter, corrupter, corrupter!
Up 300 points.
So that makes it where, figuring when this period of drops started happening? Isn’t it still below what it was a few weeks ago?
You’re making money how? Don’t you have to cash in, before you have money in hand? You’ve made nothing, only spent. Until you cash those certificates and actually make more than you put in, you’re at minus.
Sounds just like my ex, who, when he wanted something, would say, “It’ll be worth lots of money someday!)
And I would ask him, “Do you plan to sell it then?”
His answer would always be, “No.”
Then what’s it really worth? Other than being able to say you own it (ego) and some strange sort of sentimental value, it cost you, not made you money.
In spite of all that, I wish you well in your stock ventures.
kgrmThe fed came in and cut the discount rate by 50 bps they are taking mortgage backed assets as collateral. The open market was not touching these things.
This has touched off a rally by forcing investors to cover short positions.
So you support socialism yes?
You’re making money how? Don’t you have to cash in, before you have money in hand? You’ve made nothing, only spent. Until you cash those certificates and actually make more than you put in, you’re at minus.
Posted by: Rox | August 17, 2007 at 12:55 PM
hahaha Rox!
No, not going there. (whispers something about a blonde joke)
Kansas… stoop giggling… we know there is NO way for you to check Anniemoose’s IP numbers… so why put out your strange brand of bait??? is it catfish bait??
Then what’s it really worth? Other than being able to say you own it (ego) and some strange sort of sentimental value, it cost you, not made you money.Rox
You just keep thinking that way Rox and you will be left behind. “Someday” will come. Unless you took him to the cleaners, your X will be better off for it.
Of course, maybe your X knew about becoming an X, and just didn’t want to disclose it to you.
Annie if you have followed the market and watched the fed then you know this action was to be predicted. You see it has happened under several administrations and over many years. It is called a market adjustment.
They offer several good econ classes at the many colleges and universities right in our own backyard. Maybe one of these would enlighten you.
Actually Chas, the catfish bait I used to make involved blood from the slaughter house, grain, cut-up shad, a five gallon can partially buried and about five days in a hot sun.
The odor was magnificent. :)
It was more or less chum, but it worked well with sponges on a treble hook.
kgrm”hey offer several good econ classes at the many colleges and universities right in our own backyard. Maybe one of these would enlighten you.”take your own advice take a class maybe you will be able to figure out the difference between capitalism socialism and casino gambling ehh maybe not
New Blow to New Orleans in Council Member’s Plea
NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 13 — In a new blow to this city’s ethically troubled politics, the City Council’s senior member, Oliver M. Thomas Jr., pleaded guilty to a federal bribery charge on Monday and immediately resigned, adding to a pervasive feeling that corruption infests public life here.
Second article:
Someone heard him exclaim as they took him away in ball and chains, “It’s Bushy’s fault! It’s Bushy’s fault!”
Thats what happens when you type in a hurry. Gotta go for now but that class would probably help you more. Although I can tell you they don’t cover casino gambling in the class so you might want to look at another venue. Gamblers anon might be helpful if you have a problem with this.
October 17, 2005
(CNSNews.com) – A former president of the New Orleans City Council and member of the Orleans Levee Board blames corruption “down to the bone” and “unbelievable ineptness” for the loss of life and injuries during and after Hurricane Katrina. The Republican politician also fears the worst for her city if local officials are allowed to manage the federally funded rebuilding efforts.
“The corruption in city hall was horrible, and it was the same thing at the levee board,” Peggy Wilson told Cybercast News Service. “The corruption in Louisiana and in the City of New Orleans goes down to the bone.”
Wilson was first elected to the New Orleans City Council in 1986 and served through 1998, including two terms as its president. When she lost her re-election bid in 1998, Louisiana Republican Gov. Mike Foster appointed her to the Orleans Levee Board.
“But it’s Bushy fault!”
People from New Orleans were not surprised to see last week’s horrifying video of police beating an innocent 64-year-old man in the French Quarter. The only surprise is the increased attention the incident received — though many news reports took pains to mention the “high levels of stress” New Orleans police are under.
Despite the attempts to explain away the officer’s behavior, said incident fits into a well-defined pattern of police conduct in New Orleans. In the last year, seven young black men have been killed by New Orleans police, and none of the officers involved have been punished.
This year has seen mounting evidence of a police department out of control. Less than a week before Hurricane Katrina, on Wednesday, Aug. 24, Keith Griffin, a New Orleans police officer, was booked with aggravated rape and kidnapping. According to a Times-Picayune report, Griffin is accused of pulling over a bicyclist under the guise of a police stop in the early morning hours of July 11. The two-year veteran officer allegedly detained the woman, drove her to a remote spot along the Industrial Canal near Deslonde Street, then sexually assaulted her.
This is hardly an isolated incident. Another recent Times-Picayune article reported that in April, seven-year veteran officer Corey Johnson was booked with aggravated rape for allegedly forcing a woman to perform oral sex, after he identified himself as an officer in order to enter the woman’s Treme home.
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/
I see the bumpkins are whining about the churches again. Still trying to defeat that little old Constitution of the United States, heh?
It ain’t a gonna happen.
Although you MIGHT sick YOUR GOD, the US Government on a few of them. Place SPIES inside them, and record sermons, and bug preachers homes. But your love of government interference in our private lives is hypocritical.
Or only for your convenience?
My heart goes out to the mother of that 5 yr. old, so sad.
And when the shituation in New Orleans got so bad that those who could started walking out, the sheriffs from surrounding counties blockaded bridges with guns drawn and foul “F-YOUS” to get the hell back.
Yep, cause they didnt want certain “types” of people in their part of the city…. sad, sick, evil people….
sheriffs from surrounding counties blockaded bridges with guns drawn and foul “F-YOUS” to get the hell back.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Yep, cause they didnt want certain “types” of people in their part of the city…. sad, sick, evil people….
Posted by: Chas.
But it’s allllll Bushy’s fault, right?
And that was Bush’s fault too.
What is this blog being invaded by Fox News watchers?
Need to find a more liberal blog somewhere.
your wrong cajun it’s clinton”s fault when Katrina saw the clenis the gulf waters became hotter and hotter well you know what happen next
Just remind’em that President Clinton will soon have all the powers that Bush claimed for himself and a Democratic congress to rubberstamp her wishes.
Watch ‘em all run away!
A commentary from “The Economist” on the current market situation, its origins, and possible fallout?
http://tinyurl.com/2bwdgc
Journalists harassed at gun point by NO Police
http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/29-4/cov-takingjo.html
Firefighters stopped by gun wielding FEMA
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/5/105538/7048
Refuting the continually repeated lie that Blanco did not declare an emergancy.
Wash Post “A Sept. 4 article on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina incorrectly said that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) had not declared a state of emergency.
She declared an emergency on Aug. 26.”
http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/americas/us/new_orleans_after_katrina.html
As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firingtheir weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of ourconversation with the police commander and of the commander’s assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us toget us to move.
We questioned why we couldn’t cross the bridge anyway, especially as therewas little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.
http://weblog.law.ucla.edu/crs/archives/current_events/
Capn,
And this makes it Bush’s fault how?
“These were code words for if you are poor and black,”
Have you seen the rise in crime statistics in Houston after Houston opened her arms and welcomed in the displaced victims? Houston has graciously asked several times for the refugees to return home and drop the crime rate.
How many of the Katrina victims live in your neighborhood?
And pre-Katrina, New Orleans was well on its way to being granted the “Most dangerous city in America” award.
So what is your point?
Amen Sol. Amen.
Obviously, those individual incidents are not Bush’s fault… Those are internal Louisiana problems… Bush’s downfall was his s l o w response as President to tht disaster… And I dont see anybody but BushCo people saying it WAS Bush’s fault!! Please try to read your own posts better???
Chas did you just crawl out from under a rock? Bush has been blamed for NO more times than I can count. Please try to be relevant.
And while you Chas are pointing the finger at Bush for a slow response, please reference the quick response by the Mayor and Governor. They were SUCH a help weren’t they? Please cite as such.
Place blame where blame is due for a change. The fault lies squarely with the local government, their lack of a viable plan, and piss poor implementation of what they DID have.
Wanna start with the drown school busses?
Sol–
My point is that one can’t blame Katrina victims for being too stupid to leave when neighboring sheriffs stood on bridges and shot over their heads telling them to turn around.
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Most dangerous city in America. Knock you over with a 0.44
Keep crying the poor victim card Capn. These were dangerous people. Had the local government had an evacuation plan, then there wouldn’t have been a problem. The citizens would have been evacuated to a coordinated area. End of problem.
But since Bush wasn’t there to hold hands, the mayor and governor just held theirs in the air. Outstanding. Further proof that the federal gov’t needs to back out and let the local government govern themselves. Had they had their hands on people – pulling them to safety – instead of outreached and upturned towards Washington, MAYBE some lives would have been saved. Bastion of democracy. Bastian of socialism. Bastion of those so addicted to the government they didn’t’ even have the sense to save themselves.
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Would you Capn America? If you were evacuated to another city, would you commit crimes of theft, violence, rape, and murder?
Not me. I’d be damn grateful and appreciative of being ALIVE and having people take care of me. Then, I would look for a job. I’d get my kids in school the next day.
Starving, thirsty women and children dragging themselves through the streets after two weeks of hurricanes and floods are “dangerous people” to Sol.
Unbelievable.
Feather Troll–
When you have more people, you have more crime.
Houston got more people, it got more crime.
That’s why NEWTON is a more dangerous place to live than Wichita.
Wichita has many more murders, but far fewer murders per capita than Newton.
The world gets curiouser and curiouser, CapN
How many school buses do you suppose there were, Sol?
Starving, thirsty women and children dragging themselves through the streets after two weeks of hurricanes and floods are “dangerous people” to Sol.Unbelievable.Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:05 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
You work for Pravda Capn? Holy $hit what a spin. READ READ READ – PRE-KATRINA — MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN AMERICA
What part of that does your socialist brain not comprehend. Defending thieves and murders Capn. Fine way to start the weekend. And lookie at what they have now? More of the same. Put a socialist spin on that one too would you. You are freakin unreal.
And I don’t know who Feather is but he/she has a damn good point. One you should answer capn. Put a socialist spin on that one too if you can.
Holy crap. You are unbelievable.
Sol, do you have a link for MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN AMERICA?
Rox. Sure do. Give me a second.
So Rox, does this mean you support Capn too? Fresh socialist meat?
Socialist, Sol?
Is that what you got now? Socialist?
If you’re going to the John Birch Society playbook of epithets now, let the reader be the judge.
I’m not going to dignify a smear with an answer.
Doesnt sound like the same SOL that was here earlier this week
I have a friend that is a State Farm disaster adjuster coordinator. He is still working in NO.
He says when the place is done it will belong to the Mexicans, they are the ones that are living there rebuiding the place.
Hank
And I don’t know who Feather is but he/she has a damn good point. One you should answer capn. Put a socialist spin on that one too if you can. Holy crap. You are unbelievable.Posted by: SolDevVB
Capn America cannot answer the question because it would reveal the truth. Capt is probably more like troll me – he would be grateful and overcome.
Instead, he will try to hide behind “increased numbers” and “tight proximity”.
Is this what you meant Capn:
Because we are displaced, we are victims. We are entitled to commit armed robbery, theft, assault, rape, and murder.
I cannot believe you Capn.
Again: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Hank, your friend is probably right.
Sol, I claim nothing. I simply asked for a link so I could judge for myself. Nothing more.
“Would you Capn America? If you were evacuated to another city, would you commit crimes of theft, violence, rape, and murder?”
“I’m not going to dignify a smear with an answer.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:16 PM
Because you can’t defend murderers and answer the question. HAHAHAHAHA
Stuck again.
Hmm. sometimes I swear Kansas is my father in law.
I just had a question…and forgive me if I’m not up on my earthquakes and coal mining, but doesn’t it appear related that the same plane of earthquake activity in Peru and the mining accidents in Utah mine?
Sol, below is why I asked about the school buses.
According to a September 5, 2003, article in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, “The [Orleans Parish school] district owns 324 buses but 70 are broken down.” A 2003 document posted on the Louisiana Department of Education’s website confirms that Orleans Parish used 324 “board owned” school buses and no “contractor owned” school buses.
While estimates of the number of residents stranded in New Orleans following the storm vary, New Orleans officials have suggested that 80 percent of the city’s residents evacuated before the hurricane hit. That leaves roughly 97,000 residents who remained in New Orleans.
Here’s the full story of two volunteer EMT’s from California who went to New O to help and then got trapped by law-enforcement with guns:
Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen’s store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen’s windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreen’s gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen’s in the French Quarter.We also suspect the media will have been inundated with “hero” images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the “victims” of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed,were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of NewOrleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, “stealing” boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded.Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water.On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside ofNew Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the “imminent” arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City limits, they were commandeered by the military.
I’m not going to dignify a smear with an answer.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:16 PM
In other words Capn is saying, “I’m wrong and cannot come up with a sleazy enough response to work my way out of this corner.”
A bigger man might……….
By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the “officials” told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City’s primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City’s only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, “If we can’t go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?” The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile “law enforcement”.We walked to the police command center at Harrah’s on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, “I swear to you that the buses are there.”We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm.As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander’s assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.We questioned why we couldn’t cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O’Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, the only two City shelters sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape the misery New Orleans had become.
Hank, I know of good, able-bodied men who went down to help. They were turned away. I’d have to ask them who did the turning. Honestly, I don’t know.
But I have heard horror stories. I heard them about Florida, too.
Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery truck and brought it up to us. Let’s hear it for looting! A mile or so down the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and candies for kids!).This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community.If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would not have set in.Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or 90 people.From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. “Taking care of us” had an ominous tone to it.
I’m actually proud of ya’ll for having that. A poll earlier in the year showed that most Kansans didn’t. And yes, I do too. I’m still missing my generator, but I plan to get that at some point in the future (money issue). And I’m not one of the people who run outside when the sirens go off (unless I have to augh).
Rox,
Here are a few…
This was the most lethal criminal underclass in the United States,” said Dr. Peter Scharf, director of the University of New Orleans Center for Society, Law and Justice. “We were heading for a murder rate of 72 per 100,000. New York City is at seven.”
abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1320056
On Aug. 29, 2005, New Orleans was on track to finish the year as the deadliest city in America, again. Crime had become atomized here–it was part of the culture, the air, the dark humor of the place. Under normal circumstances, criminologists believe, there are two ways to stop a cycle of gang violence: either dismantle the gangs or disrupt their business. In New Orleans, both happened overnight. Hurricane Katrina
time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1194016,00.html
Crime has returned to New Orleans with a vengeance. Younger criminals, fighting turf and drug wars, are more violent than before. Police lack equipment to catch them. And arrests often achieve little due to an overtaxed criminal justice system.
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5640177
Oh Capn America. Ta-da!
Times up!
How much research do you have to do to formulate an appropriate response?
If it takes longer than a minute, you are looking to google for an answer.
Can’t use your own mind?
Your brought the issue up,
I guess I’ll consider you:
Knocked over
So many ask why the people of NO didn’t leave. The follow is a portion of an article written by author Anne Rice in the NYTimes.
“I share this history for a reason – and to answer questions that have arisen these last few days. Almost as soon as the cameras began panning over the rooftops, and the helicopters began chopping free those trapped in their attics, a chorus of voices rose. “Why didn’t they leave?” people asked both on and off camera. “Why did they stay there when they knew a storm was coming?” One reporter even asked me, “Why do people live in such a place?”
Then as conditions became unbearable, the looters took to the streets. Windows were smashed, jewelry snatched, stores broken open, water and food and televisions carried out by fierce and uninhibited crowds.
Now the voices grew even louder. How could these thieves loot and pillage in a time of such crisis? How could people shoot one another? Because the faces of those drowning and the faces of those looting were largely black faces, race came into the picture. What kind of people are these, the people of New Orleans, who stay in a city about to be flooded, and then turn on one another?
Well, here’s an answer. Thousands didn’t leave New Orleans because they couldn’t leave. They didn’t have the money. They didn’t have the vehicles. They didn’t have any place to go. They are the poor, black and white, who dwell in any city in great numbers; and they did what they felt they could do – they huddled together in the strongest houses they could find. There was no way to up and leave and check into the nearest Ramada Inn.
What’s more, thousands more who could have left stayed behind to help others. They went out in the helicopters and pulled the survivors off rooftops; they went through the flooded streets in their boats trying to gather those they could find. Meanwhile, city officials tried desperately to alleviate the worsening conditions in the Superdome, while makeshift shelters and hotels and hospitals struggled.
And where was everyone else during all this? Oh, help is coming, New Orleans was told. We are a rich country. Congress is acting. Someone will come to stop the looting and care for the refugees.
And it’s true: eventually, help did come. But how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that the situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to call for aid? Why did America ask a city cherished by millions and excoriated by some, but ignored by no one, to fight for its own life for so long? That’s my question.”
Maybe by reading the history of the people there, you’ll understand a little more. The full article can be found at http://tinyurl.com/2unyn7.
Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, “Get off the f*cking freeway”. A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of “victims” they saw “mob” or “riot”. We felt safety in numbers. Our “we must stay together” was impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups.In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.
Y’all notice how the ‘tactics’ Kansas/Khan/whatever were so completely over explained here?
Now look at Capn. Makin totally senseless posts. He gets called on them, can’t back out, doesn’t want to admit, so what does he do – His modus operandi — post huge scroll over fodder.
Hey, but kudos to you too capn for admitting yesterday. That was huge.
We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat for hours waiting to be “medically screened” to make sure we were not carrying any communicable diseases.This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome. Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist.
There was more suffering than need be.
Lives were lost that did not need to be lost.Bradshaw and Slonsky are paramedics from California that were attending the EMS conference in New Orleans. Larry Bradshaw is the chief shop steward, Paramedic Chapter, SEIU Local 790; and Lorrie Beth Slonsky is steward, Paramedic Chapter, SEIU Local 790 and Editor of the Gurney Gazette [California]
Sep 6, 2005, 00:01
http://www.emsnetwork.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=56&num=18427
HAHAHA and so he continues. Nice and burried now Capn? It won’t go away. Would you murder and steal if you were homeless? Just like those that you defend are doing?
Rox,
In case you missed it in the torrent of scroll over, here is my post which you requested.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-817.html#comment-79837335
Thanks, Sol. I’ll read your links.
I was in NO in July 2001. It has never been one of my favorite cities or vacation spots. I don’t like Cajun food, for one thing. I don’t like the music, either. But I wish I had gone on one of the tours offered to the group of 2000 of us. I wish I had delved into the history of the city and its people before Katrina devasted it and them.
It’s a poor city, in spite of the tourism.
Rox, a few more:
Two veteran photojournalists – NPPA member Rick Wilking of Reuters and Getty’s Mark Wilson – were robbed of cameras and computer equipment today while on assignment in a neighborhood in New Orleans, and a photojournalist and a reporter were confronted at gunpoint and slammed against a wall by police following a shoot-out between looters and cops that left at least one person dead.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
So home he went, about two months after the storm, to his old turf, and his old career.
Months later, Duplessis was dead. He was found fatally shot Aug. 4 on the steps of a trailer in the working-class neighborhood of Gentilly. It made for a minor post-Katrina story, but a depressingly common one in a city with a homicide rate that was the highest in the nation in the last six months, and about 15 times the national average.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-murder15feb15,0,3218523.story?track=tottext
Updated: 7:47 p.m. ET Sept 4, 2005NEW ORLEANS – Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six.msnbc.msn.com/id/9208195/
Reporter Tim Harper and photographer Lucas Oleniuk of the Canadian Toronto Star daily were the victims of police violence while covering a clash between police and looters. The police threatened them several times at gunpoint and, when they realised Oleniuk had photographed them hitting looters, they hurled him to the ground, grabbed his two cameras and removed memory cards containing around 350 pictures. His press card was also torn from him. When he asked for his pictures back, the police insulted him and threatened to hit him.
rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=14894
The gangland-style killings of five teenagers in New Orleans over the weekend punctuated a troubling trend in the hurricane-ravaged city: Murder is returning to normal faster than other facets of city life.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-18-new-orleans-murder_x.htm
Drummer Dinerral Shavers was shot and killed just after Christmas while driving with his wife and child in New Orleans. So his group — the Hot 8 Brass Band — played a jazz funeral in New Orleans Saturday. It’s the third time in its 10-year history the band has played a funeral for one of its own members.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6735417
New Orleans still drowning in crimeTo recover from Katrina, city must stop the violence, says NICOLE GELINAS02:49 PM CDT on Sunday, May 13, 2007You don’t have to go to Baghdad to see what happens when government loses its monopoly on force; just visit New Orleans.More than a year and a half after Katrina hit in late August 2005, violent crime – already a grave problem long before the storm – pervades the city, endangering its recovery by driving some good people away and keeping others from returning.dcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-gelinas_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.4310bb0.html
Hmmm,
Nueve Orleans, Provincia del Norte
Has a nice ring to it. :)
Rox,
Went there in the 70’s. Different place then.
“12 State and local agencies had failed to plan adequately for the transportation, housing, and security that would be needed during an extended crisis. Once the hurricane bore down on New Orleans, local officials waited too long to issue an evacuation order that failed to account for the poorest residents…”www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3402076.html
Poverty and fear lead to crime, Sol. That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. It’s the reason why crime is higher in cities, besides the “per capita”.
There are always people who will take advantage of a disaster. After all, wasn’t there a link posted to a story about some soldiers stealing during the aftermath of the Greensburg tornado?
I truly don’t think you mean that, because of the crime rate, those people in NO deserved what happened.
Oh, and Houston’s crime rate isn’t exactly low without the NO “refugees”.
Did you catch the killer line that the gun-toting sheriff stole these people’s food and water.
The sheriff that stole my food and water in that situation would be a DEAD sheriff.
Rox
“I truly don’t think you mean that, because of the crime rate, those people in NO deserved what happened.”
Of course not. I just want blame placed where it is due – the local government.
“Oh, and Houston’s crime rate isn’t exactly low without the NO “refugees”.”
You are correct, but it sure shot through the roof after they showed up
Still no answer from Capn. Waiting for someone else to make a point you can jump on?
Would you, Capn, murder or steal if you were homeless like those that you are defending?
The sheriff that stole my food and water in that situation would be a DEAD sheriff.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Whoops. Guess you would. Y’all have a good weekend.
Sol–
I’m not defending people who murder and steal.
I’m defending people who deserved help from our government and didn’t get it.
The glee you express for the hardship these folks face and continue to face is truly sickening.
You demean yourself by it.
Country Lawyer,
Thanks, so much, for your concern. However, I did not “take him to the cleaners”.
I was sincere in wishing those in the stock market well. Too bad you didn’t recognize that.
Sol, I believe that blame can be place at all levels.
I find this kind of funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EaLMYrZzDAnda of funny
Tough call MSHA had to make in Utah, but the correct one IMO.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/17/utah.mine/index.html
Cap what utter nonsense. Your website is total garbage. Why don’t you read real news sometimes? Why didn’t you remember what happened when many cities made massive plans to welcome NO refugees. They wouldn’t come. No sirree sir. They weren’t leaving that gov feed trough. They were content to live in hotels paid for by the gov until they were finally kicked out many months later. In the meantime racking up many thousands in bills for porno films and the such and spending their gov handouts for things like Vegas Trips and boob enhancements.
I was in NO in ‘78 and it was bad then on it’s way to becoming much worse. The crime rate is over the top. We were warned in ‘78 to stay out of certain parts of town.It didn’t surprise me when the victims were shown that many of them were sitting on the roofs of these very buildings called ‘The Project’.
Those who accepted the help they were offered now have jobs and homes in cities with lower crime rates and more opportunities for their children.
And Cap Blanko asked for help AFTER the event other govs had enough forsight to ask before it happened so that plans were in place for the worse case senarios.
Do you remember that Nero fiddled while Rome burnt – well look at Nagin and keep saying ‘Bush failed us’. Pretty soon you might have another disaster to add to your list.
Will the libs never learn?
Feather Troll–
When you have more people, you have more crime.
Houston got more people, it got more crime.
That’s why NEWTON is a more dangerous place to live than Wichita.
Wichita has many more murders, but far fewer murders per capita than Newton.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:07 PM
FUNNY! After ONE post, Capn calls Feather a troll!
This is a horrible tragedy, the miners being down in there for so long, the failed attempts at rescuing them, and now the loss of rescuers.
I wouldn’t want to be the family member of those still stuck in the mine. The not knowing and helplessness has got to be the worst.
Those people aren’t like us, and thank God for that, right, Ksgrm?
When will you CONs ever learn, all Americans are Americans.
Hey, LeRoy Troll, why don’t you pick a nic and stick with it?
Yeah LeRoy, choose a real name like CapnAmerica a cartoon character.
Poverty and fear lead to crime, Sol. That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. It’s the reason why crime is higher in cities, besides the “per capita”.
Posted by: Rox | August 17, 2007 at 03:41 PM
Prove it.
If this is true, why was crime not high during the Great Depression?
Poverty didn’t cause crime in the 1930’s and there was no welfare to bail people out.
People choose to commit crimes, perhaps using poverty as an excuse.
But they could just as easily use poverty for an excuse to get a job, to work hard, and get ahead in life.
Don’t even think about pulling a race thing here. That is demeaning to all of the residents of NO. A thug is a thug no matter his race. Even is the mayor did try to capitalize on that point. It failed miserably just as your attempt did. I didn’t refer to ‘those people’ as you did. I said many of those victims refused to remain victims. They moved on. Took their families to a place they could find jobs, establish homes, educate their children, etc… Some chose not to do this. I have no respect or pity for them. I have and will go out of my way to help those who need it.
To Capn, everyone seems to be a troll today.
Calling someone a troll, when they are not a troll, is an approach used by a true troll to discredit any criticism directed at the true troll.
Trolling, trolling, trolling…
Rawhide!
:)
I think that if you’re in a situation where there is no food and water, things are going to get chaotic. Period. Not a one of us could put ourselves in that situation. When it comes to survival, you do what you gotta do.
Work maybe?
It’s just a matter of “choices” to Ksgrm. There’s no such thing as systematic cause and effect.
The system is never to blame. It’s just that there are “bad” people who are “lazy.”
It’s obvious that the right-wing don’t want to be confused by the facts.
The people who were trying to get out immediately following the disaster worked hard and used a lot of ingenious means to stay alive and maintain community and dignity with NO OUTSIDE HELP, as my post clearly shows.
But the right-wing chooses to blame the victims for their “choices.”
Right, like their choice not to be a rich white family living in the suburbs . . .
“If this is true, why was crime not high during the Great Depression?”
huh, bonnie and cylde al capone murder inc. dillinger pretty boy floyd machine gun kelly lucky luciano do you need more?
Right, Annie.
And the average person weren’t quite as dumb as they seem to be today.
“As through this world you travelYou’ll meet some funny men,Some rob you with a six gun,And some with a fountain pen.
As through this world you travelAs through this world you roam,You’ll never see an outlawDrive a family from their home.”
Famous patriotic American songwriter, Woody Guthrie
Oh and btw, he was a socialist.
Hurricane Dean is now Category 3 125 MPH winds!
AT 500 PM AST…2100Z…THE CENTER OF HURRICANE DEAN WAS LOCATEDNEAR LATITUDE 15.0 NORTH…LONGITUDE 64.5 WEST OR ABOUT 840 MILES…1355 KM…EAST-SOUTHEAST OF KINGSTON JAMAICA AND ABOUT 260 MILES…415 KM…SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO.
DEAN IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 21 MPH…33 KM/HR. THISMOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH SATURDAY WITH A GRADUALDECREASE IN FORWARD SPEED. ON THIS TRACK…THE CORE OF THEHURRICANE WILL BE MOVING WELL SOUTH OF PUERTO RICO AND THEDOMINICAN REPUBLIC TONIGHT AND SATURDAY.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 125 MPH…205 KM/HR…WITH HIGHERGUSTS. DEAN IS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSONSCALE. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.ANOTHER RECONNAISSANCE PLANE IS SCHEDULED TO REACH DEAN TONIGHT.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=123344840ID=123344840
Hey, Warning Troll–
Computer tracks are putting Dean right into East Texas.
Must be because its Bush’s home state . . . as in God’s wrath of.
Oh UUUUUUUUU whooooooo!Capn Amerrrrrrrrrrrica!
Before you tried to hide your tracks by posting filler on the blog you said:
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Posted by: CapnAmerica
You going to answer my question, or were were you knocked over by a
RU-486 abortions killed 13 mothers worldwide and injured 1100 in the USofA in recent years. A new bogus study of abortions committed in Denmark claims that mothers suffered no more infertility than from surgical abortions, prompting erroneous conclusions that RU-486 must be safe. Both surgical and RU-486 abortions are known to cause significant risks of later tubal pregnancies, miscarriages, early deliveries, and babies born with low birth weights, in addition to the known RU-486 risks of death (10 times the risk of fatal infection, compared to surgical abortion), life-threatening infections and blood loss, and other emergency situations requiring blood transfusions, hospital treatment, and follow-up surgery following incomplete abortion.3 to 5% of post-abortive mothers are rendered sterile by abortion, and even more of those mothers who carry venereal disease at the time they commit abortion. Infection, damaged cervix, and scarring are the major factors causing the alarming increase in premature birth among post-abortive women.The pro-abortion major news media continues to mislead the public, deliberately leaving ignorant women at risk, by denying and ignoring obvious and proven links from abortion to breast cancer, infertility, premature birth, depression, substance abuse, suicide, and mental problems. In particular, the increase in premature birth leads to more medical problems in infants, such as cerebral palsy and infant mortality during the first year of life, suffered at a rate 3 times higher in the black community, targeted by abortion mills.When abortion is abolished, the killings will continue for at least 20 childbearing years, in the after-effects in post-abortive mothers and their future pregnancies.- – -
William Stanley Sutton III, 25, of Maryland, attempting to kill his unborn baby, added ProstaMate, a cattle hormone, to a soft drink his girlfriend Lauren Ashley Tucker, 21, drank. The chemical is given to cows to stimulate pregnancy or cause an abortion in certain circumstances. Both Tucker and her 15 week-old unborn child survived the incident, and Sutton has been charged with reckless endangerment, assault and contaminating Tucker’s drink.Mr. Sutton said he didn’t intend to cause the young woman, who had refused to commit abortion, any harm, merely wanting to kill her baby.A Maryland judge turned this dangerous, violent attacker loose on $50,000 bond.- – -
The current Sedgwick County petition to summon a grand jury to investigate Tiller’s ongoing abortion mill crimes from July 1, 2003 to the petition filing date can be downloaded at pagehttp://www.kfl.org/SiteResources/Data/Templates/FileViewerLayout.asp?docid=837&DocName=Grand%20Jury%20Petition%20Sedgwick%20Co%208-2007- – -
Sorry, Feather Troll.
I don’t respond to trolls.
Act like an ass, get treated like the ass you are.
Give the readers something worth reading without nic-switching and game-playing and people will respond to you.
Cap like it or not life is about choices. Some you make on your own and some society makes for you if the choices you make are bad ones.
You (Cap) always have an excuse for bad behavior. In your world there is no accountability. In your world the decadent rich should take care of the ‘can’t do any better’ poor. Thank goodness you are not in the majority yet because if we start being ran by others with your way of thinking then we are doomed.
As for Rox’s and Pmom idea that bad times create criminals and you ‘do what you have to do’. During the depression, which both of my parents lived through, neighbors helped neighbors. They didn’t rob each other. They worked hard and survived.
We don’t see that work ethic in NO and won’t as long as we have the Caps of the world saying ‘poor thangs, they just counldn’t help themselves’. They needed those big screen TVs in case they got electricity restored.
Fellow posters on the blog.
Feather posted at precisely:Posted by: Feather | August 17, 2007 at 03:05 PM
For his very first time.
Two minutes later:Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 03:07 PM
In less than TWO MINUTES (Capn had to be thinking and typing during this time)
In less than TWO MINUTES I was labeled a dirty rotten “troll”.
Now what’s up with that?
Could it be:
1. Capn America has some secret source for Troll determination.
2. Capn America is just insightful on these things.
3. Capn America cannot or will not answer the legitimate question he was asked about HIS post.
Which is it folks? You can read and honestly make a determination.
Think I’m pissed? Yes. How would you like to be LABELED your first post, two minutes after posting it. AND my post was honest, from the heart, and contained zero name calling or belittling?
Then, to cover his tracks he fills the board with hogwash.
What’s up with this poster Capn America?
Do I have a beef?
He still won’t answer the mail that HE started.
No offense to the good Captain, but I think Feather has a legitimate complaint.
Sorry just my opinion.
Feather this is just a pattern unfortunately. Cap posts daylight to dark and put on this insane ‘news articles’ of his. Problem being that they aren’t new but opinion pieces. You asked him a logical question. Trust me he won’t answer.
O.K. Captain, I’ll give the readers something WORTH reading.
Chas did you just crawl out from under a rock? Bush has been blamed for NO more times than I can count. Please try to be relevant.
And while you Chas are pointing the finger at Bush for a slow response, please reference the quick response by the Mayor and Governor. They were SUCH a help weren’t they? Please cite as such.
Place blame where blame is due for a change. The fault lies squarely with the local government, their lack of a viable plan, and piss poor implementation of what they DID have.
Wanna start with the drown school busses?
Posted by: SolDevVB | August 17, 2007 at 02:46 PM
Sol–
My point is that one can’t blame Katrina victims for being too stupid to leave when neighboring sheriffs stood on bridges and shot over their heads telling them to turn around.
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 02:50 PM
So I simply responded honestly:
As for the refugees in Houston, you mean that people who have no jobs and no homes might commit more crime than people who do?
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Would you Capn America? If you were evacuated to another city, would you commit crimes of theft, violence, rape, and murder?
Not me. I’d be damn grateful and appreciative of being ALIVE and having people take care of me. Then, I would look for a job. I’d get my kids in school the next day.
Posted by: Feather | August 17, 2007 at 03:05 PM
Gore fought the red tape, and paid for one of the two charter flights that airlifted about 270 medical patients and evacuees from N.O..
‘Al Gore leads Charity Hospital airlift’http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/7/164747/4155
Capn can’t admit to committing crimes Feather.
You’re giving him choices between perjury and admitting that he had sex with that woman – or just pleading the 5th, which is what he’s doing this time.
Making excuses for criminals, tough to do without being labeled a criminal yourself.
Or maybe you did knock Capn over with a feather?
LOL!!!
Max,
I think it is wrong he put a name on me, called me an ass after my very first post.
I’m new here, but even by the acceptable definition of “trolling” on other sites, I did not do anything to deserve it.
Forget the “standards” of blog writing.
If we were face-to-face, he would not call another person an ass.
Or refuse to be honest.
It appears that President Bush is taking some action to move Hurricane Dean away from New Orleans, and also away from Texas.
According to confidential sources within the Storm Prediction Center, a group of Texas Air National guard aircraft, under orders from the President, appear to be steering the hurricane west and southward toward Mexico.
Obviously this is an attempt by Bush to avoid being blamed for yet another “global warming” caused hurricane hitting the US.
We will continue to monitor this event, and provide updates as news events unfold.
Back to the regularly scheduled blog bs…..
Ksgrm has the world-view that she does because it’s the only way one can really justify selfishness.
“I have what I have because I have self-discipline and I’m a good person and a hard-worker. I earned it, I deserve it, and I did it all.”
That way, anybody who doesn’t have what she has is in no way deserving of pity or help because they according to this world-view those people made poor choices, so they deserve what they got.
It also gives one an illusion of control in a universe that has an unpleasant knack for dashing the high and mighty to the earth with an iconoclastic crash.
See for instance Iraq.
Go tickle yourself, Feather.
Pity Me for I am just a Capn, and never got to be a General. :>(
And I can’t even frown right!
:>(
Capn you have had well over a couple of hours to dream up a reply or google an answer.
I will assume at this point that you are simply an idiot and cannot come clean or be rational to sound replies to your posts.
Anyone taking the time to read this afternoon posts can see this.
Have a nice day.
You are trying to bring readers to be compassionate to your struggle in life. You pronounce your worthiness and then seek others to see you as a righteous and just person.
But your silly ass still cannot after two hours answer the question generated from your OWN post.
Would you steal, kill, rape, and commit violence if you were provided safe haven from the hurricane?
It is really a simple question.
Okay, what was the question again?
‘Must read from Hansen: Stop the madness about the tiny revision in NASA’s temperature data!’http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/16/must-read-from-hansen-stop-the-madness-about-the-tiny-revision-in-nasas-temperature-data/
(From Dr. Hansen’s ‘The Real Deal: Usufruct & the Gorilla’)http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf
“The deceit behind the attempts to discredit evidence of climate change reveals matters of importance.This deceit has a clear purpose: to confuse the public about the status of knowledge of global climate change, thus delaying effective action to mitigate climate change.
The danger is that delay will cause tipping points to be passed, such that large climate impacts become inevitable, including the loss of all Arctic sea ice, destabilization of the West Antarctic ice sheet with disastrous sea level rise later this century, and extermination of a large fraction of animal and plant species….”
More at link.
Also see Figure 2, maps of GLOBAL temperature anomalies, for 1934 and 1998, in Hansen’s ‘The Real Deal: Usufruct & the Gorilla’
Usufruct is the legal right to use and derive profit or benefit from property that belongs to another person, as long as the property is not damaged.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Perhaps when President Clinton assumes office, she can declare all rightwingnut Republicans “enemy combatants” and put them in third world prisons.
Cap I believe between my God and me anything can be accomplished. I haven’t been disappointed yet. Had plenty of tough times but refused to lay down. Sorry you don’t admire that in a person. I do. It was looking at others who triumphed over bad times that gave me the courage to not give up.
Now berate that and make fun of Christians. Sorry you can’t find the peace in your life I have found in mine.
If you had peace in your life you wouldn’t be fooling arounds in these blogs.
Get real ksgrm.
Ksgrm–
Beautiful example of exactly what I’m talking about.
You’re so selfish and ego centered that you see YOURSELF as the “real” victim, picked on by people like me.
I am a Christian too, Ksgrm.
And in my version of that faith, “the gods help those that help themselves” is not Christian. It’s pagan.
It’s more like “God helps those who help OTHERS.”
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Posted by: cosmos
And that is important, why?
Hey, Feather–
Gotta go, but always remember . . .
. . . .
remember . . .
oh, hell, I forgot.
Feather, I can give you a perfectly good reason why CapN didnt answer your rather idiotic question… That would be because it is not in context with the situation… AND… it is just plain stupid…. Try re-phrasing the question a little, and see if you might get a response…
Written By: Thomas Gale Moore Ph.D.Published In: Environment NewsPublication Date: May 1, 1998Publisher: The Heartland Institute
Pundits, politicians, and the press have argued that global warming will bring disaster to the world. Their dire predictions aside, there are many good reasons to believe that, if global warming occurs, we will like it.
Where do retirees go when they are free to move? Certainly not to Duluth. People generally like warmth. When a television weather reporter says, “it’s going to be a great day,” he usually means the weather will be warmer than normal. The weather can, of course, be too warm, but that is unlikely to become a major problem if the Earth’s temperature warms as projected.
How Warm, When, and Where?
Even though it is far from certain that global temperatures will rise noticeably, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the United Nations body that has been studying this possibility for more than a decade) has forecast that, by the end of the next century, the world’s climate will be about 3.6o Fahrenheit warmer than today. Precipitation worldwide, it is projected, will increase by about 7 percent.
IPCC scientists predict that most of the warming will occur at night and during the winter. In fact, the temperature record shows that, over this century, summer high temperatures have actually fallen, while winter lows have gone up.
Temperatures are expected to increase the most towards the poles. Thus, Minneapolis should enjoy more warming than Dallas. But even the Twin Cities should find that most of its temperature increase will occur during its coldest season, making the climate more livable.
Warmer Winters Are Good
Warmer winters will produce less ice and snow to torment drivers, facilitating commuting and making snow shoveling less of a chore. Families will have less need to invest in heavy parkas, bulky jackets, earmuffs, mittens, and snow boots.
Department of Energy studies have shown that a warmer climate would reduce heating bills more than it would boost outlays on air conditioning. If we currently enjoyed the weather predicted for the end of the next century, expenditures for heating and cooling would be cut by about $12.2 billion annually.
Most economic activities would be unaffected by climate change. Manufacturing, banking, insurance, retailing, wholesaling, medicine, education, mining, financial, and most other services are unrelated to weather. Those activities can be carried out in cold climates with central heating or in hot climates with air conditioning. Certain weather-related or outdoor-oriented services, however, would be affected.
Transportation generally would benefit from a warmer climate, since road travelers would suffer less from slippery or impassable highways. Airline passengers, who often endure weather-related delays in the winter, would gain from more reliable and on-time service.
Warmer Is Healthier, Too
The doomsayers have predicted that a warmer world would inflict tropical diseases on Americans. They neglect to mention that those diseases–such as malaria, cholera, and yellow fever–were widespread in the United States in the colder 19th century. Their absence today is attributable not to a climate unsuitable to their propagation, but to modern sanitation and the American lifestyle, which prevent the microbes from getting a foothold. It is actually warmer along the Gulf Coast, which is free of dengue fever, than on the Caribbean islands, where the disease is endemic.
My own research shows that a warmer world would be a healthier one for Americans and would cut the number of deaths in the U.S. by about 40,000 per year, roughly the number killed on the highways.
CO2 No Pollutant for Plants
According to climatologists, the villain causing a warmer world is the unprecedented amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) we humans keep pumping into the atmosphere. But as high school biology students nationwide know, plants absorb carbon dioxide and emit oxygen. Researchers have shown that virtually all plants will do better in a CO2-rich environment than in the current atmosphere, which contains only trace amounts of their basic food.
Plants also prefer warmer winters and nights, and a warmer world would mean longer growing seasons. Combined with higher levels of CO2, plant life would become more vigorous, thus providing more food for animals and humans. Given a rising world population, longer growing seasons, greater rainfall, and an enriched atmosphere could be just the ticket to stave off famine and want.
Sea Levels Pose Little Threat
A slowly rising sea level constitutes the only significant drawback to global warming. The best guess of the international scientists is that oceans will rise about 2 inches per decade.
The cost to Americans of building dikes and constructing levees to mitigate the damage from rising seas would be less than $1 billion per year, an insignificant amount compared to the likely gain of over $100 billion for the American people as a whole.
Let’s not rush into costly programs to stave off something that we may like if it occurs. Warmer is better; richer is healthier; acting now is foolish.
Well, I am all out of Troll Peanuts for now… Gotta go out and collect more for later…
Have a good evening you all!!
And TGIF!!!
Sun,
It’s good to see a positive post on GW for a change. Most of the tree huggers are so negative you can’t help leaving feeling the sky is falling.
Thanx!
I am a Christian too, Ksgrm.Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 06:19 PM
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Questions and Answers on Global Warming
1. Is global warming occurring? Have the forecasts of global warming been confirmed by actual measurements?
There is no proof that significant man-made global warming is taking place. The computer models used in U.N. studies say the first area to heat under the “greenhouse gas effect” should be the lower atmosphere – known as the troposphere.1 Highly accurate, carefully checked satellite data have shown absolutely no such tropospheric warming. There has been surface warming of about half a degree Celsius, but this is far below the customary natural swings in surface temperatures.2
2. Are carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels the primary cause of climate change? Can the Earth’s temperature be expected to rise between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit in this century as has been reported?
There are many indications that carbon dioxide does not play a significant role in global warming. Richard Lindzen, Ph.D., professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and one of the 11 scientists who prepared a 2001 National Academy of Sciences (NAS) report on climate change, estimates that a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would produce a temperature increase of only one degree Celsius.3 In fact, clouds and water vapor appear to be far more important factors related to global temperature. According to Dr. Lindzen and NASA scientists, clouds and water vapor may play a significant role in regulating the Earth’s temperature to keep it more constant.4
3. Under the Berlin Mandate, developing nations are to be exempt from any emission reduction requirements agreed to in Kyoto. What effect will this have on overall greenhouse gas emissions over the next thirty years?
Undeveloped countries such as China, India and Brazil are included in this exemption. However, they are projected to produce 16 percent more carbon dioxide by the year 2020 than the United States, even if the Kyoto Protocol is not in place.5
4. Would a modest increase in the temperature of the planet necessarily be bad? Are there any potential benefits?
According to the World Bank, one-third of the world’s population already suffers from chronic water shortages. The Worldwatch Institute predicts that this situation will be exacerbated further by the addition of an estimated 2.6 billion people to the world’s population over the next 30 years. By 2025, the group claims, some three billion people — or 40% of the world’s population — could be living in countries without sufficient water supplies, leading to crop failures, diminished economic development and even to regional conflicts as nations find it necessary to fight for control over scarce water resources.
While the scientific community is divided over many aspects of the global warming theory, the effect of global warming on precipitation levels is not one of them: Global warming would mean more condensation and more evaporation, producing more and/or heavier rains. Global warming, therefore, could offer the answer to the water scarcity problem that the Worldwatch Institute has been seeking.
If history is any indication, greater precipitation may be only one of many benefits of global warming. For example, between the 10th and 12th Centuries, when the temperature of the planet was roughly 0.5 degrees Celsius warmer than it is today, agriculture in North America and Europe flourished and the southern regions of Greenland were free of ice, allowing cultivation by Norse settlers. Evidence of this was found in 1993 when scientists from the National Science Foundation-sponsored Greenland Ice Sheet Project II extracted an ice core from Greenland’s ice sheet that spanned more than 100,000 years of climate history. Samplings from the core suggest that a Little Ice Age began between 1400 and 1420, blanketing the Vikings’ farms in ice and forcing them to abandon their farms in search of more hospitable climates. Prior to the onset of this Little Ice Age, temperatures were comparable to the temperatures general circulation models used by the U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have projected for 2030-2050. Yet, the world’s leaders stand poised to take dramatic steps to curb the risks of this kind of climate change.
Global warming could also mean greater agricultural productivity and greater water conservation. CO2 acts as a fertilizer on plant life while reducing plant transpiration (the passage of water from the roots through the plant’s vascular system to the atmosphere). Thus, with global warming, agricultural output could be expected to increase while making less demands on the water supply.6
5. What would be the economic impact of reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions to meet the standards of the Kyoto Protocol?
If the Kyoto Protocol had been ratified by the U.S., the U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates gasoline prices would rise 14 to 66 cents per gallon by the year 2010, electricity prices would go up 20 to 86 percent7 and compliance with the treaty would cost the United States economy $400 billion per year.8
6. If the United States can meet the targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions with little or no costs, why haven’t corporations done so on their own?
This question is irrelevant, since abiding by the Kyoto Protocol would be devastating to our economy. However, supposing it was economically responsible to adopt it, we still must never base environmental actions on anything but sound science. We have ample experience of doing more harm than good with environmental regulations based on unsure science. For example, the Clean Air Act mandated oxygenates in gasoline and we ended up with no improvement in air quality but now have the oxygenate MTBE polluting wells in 31 states.9,10,11
We should not take actions that may not be necessary but will certainly increase the level of poverty in this. As economist Walter Williams of George Mason University has observed, “As you look around the world, it is poverty, as opposed to dirty air, that has implications for health.”12
7. Are the burdens of meeting the demands of the Kyoto Protocol are distributed fairly?
No, the burdens of meeting the demands of the Kyoto Protocol would fall most heavily on minorities. A study commissioned by six African-American and Hispanic organizations found that the increased costs forced by the treaty would cut minority income in the United States by 10 percent (in contrast, white incomes would go down only 4.5 percent) and 864,000 black Americans and 511,000 Hispanics would lose their jobs.13
8. Is there scientific consensus that global warming is underway? If so, how was this consensus determined?
Dr. Lindzen has said there were a wide variety of scientific views presented in the NAS report and “that the full report did, [express a wide variety of views] making clear that there is no consensus, unanimous or otherwise, about long-term climate trends and what causes them.”14 The same is true of the all of the U.N.’s International Panel on Climate Change’s studies on which the notion of global warming is based.
Claims that scientific opinion is nearly unanimous on the subject of global warming are wrong. The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine received signatures from over 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, to a document saying, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”15
“Famous patriotic American songwriter, Woody Guthrie.
“Oh and btw, he was a socialist.”
He was actually a communist – which was pretty popular political position in the 1930’s U.S. of A. He was also the father of Arlo Guthrie – the creator of _Alice’s Restaurant_ and _City of New Orleans_.
City of Wichita officials announced today that the Broadway bridge – south of the John Mack Bridge – is closed after bridge inspections revealed deterioration under the deck.
The 800-foot long bridge is located approximately halfway between MacArthur and 31st Street South. It’s unkown how long the bridge will remain closed. A detour route has been established along 31st Street South, Seneca and MacArthur. A graphic is attached to the news release.
The four-lane bridge carries about 14,000 vehicles a day over Union Pacific railroad. It was last officially inspected in July 2004, when a 10-ton weight limit was implemented.
“The bridge had been posted with weight-limit signs, because of concerns about its aging condition,” Chris Carrier, Director of Public Works, said of the 70-year-old bridge. “Trucks exceeding the limit accelerated the deterioration. Motorists have been ignoring the weight limit.”
City officials have contacted state and federal officials regarding possible funding sources. The estimated cost to replace the bridge is 5 to 7 million, but repairing the bridge remains an option.
Engineers from Professional Engineering Consultants and the City discovered accelerated deterioration during a routine bridge inspection today. They were conducting a scheduled round of inspections that began in April.
Here Comes the Sun,
Thank you for your copy/paste of the old propaganda from the “court jester”, Thomas Gale Moore.
‘FACTSHEET: Thomas Gale Moore’http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=2
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Thomas_Gale_Moore
Dr. Jim Hansenhttp://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/realdeal.16aug20074.pdf“The contrarians will be remembered as court jesters. There is no point to joust with court jesters. They will always be present. They will continue to entertain even if the Titanic begins to take on water. Their role and consequence is only as a diversion from what is important.
The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children.
The court jesters are their jesters, occasionally paid for services, and more substantively supported by the captains’ disinformation campaigns.”
And in my version of that faith, “the gods help those that help themselves” is not Christian. It’s pagan.
It’s more like “God helps those who help OTHERS.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | August 17, 2007 at 06:19 PM
Actually you and I aren’t that far apart. My version:
Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Since we are all egotists at heart that would be the right think to do.
I admit to using this blog for entertainment. I have grandkids who play several sports, wrestling, baseball, football and volleyball.
We’re in a slow season waiting for football to start.
Please don’t take anything I say personally. I am opinionated on this blog but rather mild in person.
I feel strongly about things as I know you do.
I guess we just have to learn to tolerate each others differences. I enjoy a good discussion and hate the name calling and trolling on WEblog.
Truth Justice and the American Way,
Are you a anti-global warming “court jester”?
Thank you for posting the falsehoods from the “court jesters” at NCPPR.
For example,http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoQuestionsAnswers.html“Highly accurate, carefully checked satellite data have shown absolutely no such tropospheric warming.”
That’s false,’Climate myths: The lower atmosphere is cooling, not warming’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11660“One study in ‘Science’ revealed errors in the way satellite data had been collected and interpreted. …
A second study, also in ‘Science’, looked at the weather balloon data. …
The corrected temperature records show that tropospheric temperatures are indeed rising at roughly the same rate as surface temperatures.”
‘FACTSHEET: National Center for Public Policy Research, NCPPR’http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=59
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Center_for_Public_Policy_Research
We are all hypocrites, it is just that others’ hypocrisy seems so much worse (and obvious) than our own.
Leave it to Capn to turn the bible into propaganda supporting Socialism, without quoting a single verse.
We are all hypocrites, it is just that others’ hypocrisy seems so much worse (and obvious) than our own.
Posted by: Steven Davis | August 17, 2007 at 07:45 PM
Speak for yourself, hypocrite.
Dean’s now a FOUR!!!!!!!!
BULLETINHURRICANE DEAN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 19A…CORRECTEDNWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042007800 PM AST FRI AUG 17 2007
…CORRECTED MAXIMUM WIND SPEED TO 135 MPH…
…DEAN REACHES CATEGORY FOUR STRENGTH AS ITS CENTER PASSES SOUTH OFTHE VIRGIN ISLANDS…
This has been a public service annoucement presented by:
Americans Holding Government Accountable to The People
Gee, I thought God was in charge.
That reminds me…my wife’s sister was up in arms because her 18 year old son was being deployed to Iraq.
Finally she declared “It’s in His hands now!”
When was it not?
The real sad thing is that Typhoon Sepat is going to hit Taiwan and China in a few hours and no one cares.
As of 3 AM JST Sun Aug 19, 2007Max Winds 120 MPH Gusts 150 MPHCategory 3
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200704_v5d.html?extraprod=v5d#a_topad
Model shows Dean may go north to New Orleans.
Only in your mind…the models show it well south of NO.
Here Comes the Sun,
Thank you for your copy/paste of the old propagandaPosted by: cosmos
Cosmos,
Thank-you for confirming you are a weather wacko you repeatedly posts the same old “the sky is falling” crap day after day (that’s part of an old song huh), hour after hour, week after week.
And it’s all quotes no different from my own.
Let a little sun shine into your dark and dreary droning self.
Let a little sun shine into your dark and dreary droning self.
Let a little sun shine into your dark and dreary droning self.
Danger Danger Will Robinson, cosmos is here.
Danger Danger Will RobinsonCosmos is here.
Over, and over, and over, and over and it’s getting warmer over and over.
Tomorrow
The sun’ll come out tomorrow,Bet your bottom dollar thattomorrow there’ll be sun!
Jus’ thinking about tomorrowClears away the cobwebs andthe sorrow till there’s none.
When I’m stuck with a daythat’s gray and lonely,I just stick out my chinand grin and say:
Oh! The sun’ll come out tomorrowSo you got to hang on till tomorrowcome what may!
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya tomorrow,you’re always a day away!
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya tomorrow,you’re only a day away!
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya tomorrow,you’re always a day away!
Look out Cajuns!
Hurricane Dean is comin your way!
Check out the GFDL model.
It be going North!
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200704_v5d.html?extraprod=v5d#a_topad
Proof positive that global warming is not the result of man or his CO2 emissions:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6755464733216708078&pr=goog-sl
Do you think New Orleans will be ready for the next hurricane? I doubt it. I’ll bet they blame everyone else again all over again. Funny how Alabama and Mississippi coasts are recovering just fine along with their coastal cities.
Why can’t New Orleans?
Charles Strouse was a huge Lib who makes the world a happier place with his music!
He wrote All in the Family’s theme too!
NO had its funding cut off by Bush because its a Democratic state.
NO had its funding cut off by Bush because it’s in a Democratic state.
NO had its funding cut off by Bush because it’s in a Democratic state.
“Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.”
~ Thomas Jefferson
REFRESHER COURSE
1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words and spoons make Rosie O’Donnell fat.
7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.
11. What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don’t make more.
24. When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
26. Only law-abiding citizens obey gun-control laws.
27. Criminals traditionally don’t obey laws.
28. There are over 22,000 gun-control laws in effect in this country at the federal, statecounty and city level. NONE of them are effective.
29. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting differentresults each time. How many gun-control laws does one need to pass before smaller mindsunderstand the equation properly?
30. Firearms are your life-preserver. Would a rational man travel in an automobile withouta spare tire and jack?
31. Call 911 and the Dominos. See which one gets there first? Do you get a discounted pizza fromthe police if they are too late?
32. I would rather be judged by twelve than buried by six. I will never give up my firearms!
33. “An armed society is a polite society” — Robert A. Heinlein, famous author.
The knight’s sword was a symbol of his duty to protect weaker members of society and behavechivalrously, e.g. with respect and courtesy to women, elderly people, and so on. The sword wasthe soul of the Japanese Samurai, a constant reminder of the Samurai’s duty and code of behavior.The sword was a symbol of taking responsibility, not only for one’s self, but usually for others.
If you don’t like police officers and/or armed law-abiding citizens willing to take responsibility, thenext time that you are in danger — call a hippie, a left-wing liberal or Hollyweird type or even a MillionMom Marcher!
In fact, order a custom made sign and display it prominently on your front door and/or lawn – “This isa gun-free zone and home!”. Why not? One wouldn’t want to rest on the coat tails of those nasty armedfree men and women who are brave enough to stand up and hold their own. Tell the world that you don’tbelieve in guns and that your home is gun-free! Be bold in your beliefs! One of the things that irks anti-gunners the most is that one of the things that keeps them safe in their homes is the perception by thecriminal element that there just may be an armed homeowner present…
“Thank-you for confirming you are a weather wacko…
And it’s all quotes no different from my own.”
Posted by: Sunny | August 17, 2007 at 08:56 PM
You don’t understand the difference between “weather” and climate???
My quotes are from the credible climate scientists, and up-to-date.
Your quotes are old, from a right-wing non-scientific group, and written by someone who said tobacco was safe.
Dream on “from my dead cold fingers”. You have a rich fantasy life.
‘Dean gains strength, Blanco calls emergency as a precaution’http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2007/08/dean_gains_strength_blanco_cal.html
We are all hypocrites, it is just that others’ hypocrisy seems so much worse (and obvious) than our own.Posted by: Steven Davis | August 17, 2007 at 07:45 PM
Speak for yourself, hypocrite.
Posted by: For Christ’s Sake | August 17, 2007 at 08:04 PM
Thank you, you very stupid A-hole, I have…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_and_Environment“[The journal] Energy and Environment is not carried in the ISI listing of peer-reviewed journals. Its peer review process has been criticised for allowing the publication of substandard papers [http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2005/aug/policy/pt_skeptics.htmlhttp://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Climate/Climate_Science/Contrarians.html
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/08/nexus_6_has_a_new_cartoon.php“Nexus 6 has a new cartoon making fun of global warming denialists.”
‘Bottom of the barrel’http://n3xus6.blogspot.com/2007/08/bottom-of-barrel.html
ALL day long, we have this “weather person” ALL day!! Making fun of whats could be a serious storm… Is there a sickness working here, or what?? Is it the same sickness that LAUGHS LOUDLY when one person says they are a Christian… As if they believe there is only ONE kind of Christian???
What is this sickness called??? Maybe Google has the answer!!
And these people who cant get a grip on Global Warming… All of them sound like Talk Radio ALL day long!!! None of them GET IT!!! NONE of them!!!
What sickness is this???
I will find an answer….
“Everyone wants to know what everyone looks like. I found my twin, sort of…
My hair isn’t that bushy, but it gives one a mental picture.”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nqKFRwoD-JE
Or maybe not…:)
Oh, the keyboard player and singer.
heh
“What sickness is this???”
Posted by: Chas. | August 17, 2007 at 10:55 PM
The short answer is stupidity.
Where’s our hurricane updater?
Anyone remember Gilbert? It appears that Dean–now a Cat 5, 155 mph windws–is acting eerily like Gilbert.
I believe you are right Cosmos!! LOL
According to Weather Channel, DEAN is on a collision course with the Bahamas, followed by Florida!! Sopmebody tell RUSH to board up his mansion!! Oh wait, he doesnt believe in Hurricane Season, or global warming effects!!Never mind Rush, you wouldnt believe it if you saw it!!
More and more White House rats deserting their sinking ship!! Pretty soon, it will just be the skipper… mary anne, and ginger, and professor, and gilligan, and mr. and mrs. powell will all be gone!!
Thanks for those concilatory words, Ksgrm.
I believe that you are a good person too.
May His peace, which passeth all understanding, be unto your and yours.
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