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Open thread 8/14
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 14, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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FIRST POST! BOOYAH!
Lately, I have been asking why Wichita doesn’t have more brass history markers scattered around town? As I look into it, Wichita does have some interesting sites that might be candidates.
For example, a more or less forgotten story of 1930’s gangsterism in Wichita that some might say should continue to be forgotten. I did post this story several days ago but on an old “open thread” site so most probably missed it.
In any case, 76 years ago TODAY, on August 14, 1931 … mad dog killer and depression era bank robber, WILBUR UNDERHILL, shot a Wichita police officer in a downtown Wichita hotel room.
The shooting took place in the Iris Hotel, on the third floor looking out on Wichita’s intersection of Douglas and Water streets. This is just east of Century II and a short block north of Wichita’s downtown library.
The old Iris Hotel, of course, is long gone.
The story is told that a Wichita police officer was making his rounds checking on suspicious characters in downtown hotels. Wilber Underhill and his brother had a car wreck earlier in the evening somewhere on Broadway, then called Lawrence Road and Highway 81. They checked into the Iris Hotel to wait for repair of their car in the vicinity.
Wichita police officer, Merle Colver, entered their room and during questioning, found a pistol hidden under a pillow. The confrontation and shooting quickly followed. Officer Colver was buried in his hometown, nearby Clearwater, Kansas.
Wilbur Underhill, a notorius gangster of the 1930’s, escaped that Wichita episode. But some three years later, Oklahoma peace officers cornered Underhill and shot him 13 times with pistol and shotgun fire. Wilbur Underhill died a short time later in January, 1934.
Underhill was one of the genry of Oklahoma’s 1930’s “Cookson Hills” gangsters including Machine Gun Kelly and Pretty Boy Floyd and perhaps Bonnie and Clyde. Underhill himself called Joplin, Missouri home and was buried there.
Deserve a marker … you decide.
JWink,Wouldn’t that require tax dollars? I thought you were against anything that required tax dollars.
And here’s one for “Kansas” (or whoever he is today) and all you global warming doubters.http://www.kansas.com/599/image_media/147345.html
Brass History Markers.
I am recommending a “No” vote on the Brass History markers. It was a tough decision but after careful consideration the following points were the overriding factors in my decision:
1. The big money would go to out of state mine owners who often make their employees work in unsafe working conditions.
2. Their placement would cause an increase in the crime rate resulting in a need for a larger police force to monitor salvage yards for the resale of Brass History Markers.
3. Our schools would not receive one dime of any of the benefits from the program.
4. The taxpayers of Wichita would be expected to pay the full cost of the program, including cost overruns, without any expectations of a return on the investment.
It was a tough decision but sometimes you just have to call’em as you see them.
Triple X, (How come I feel dirty typing that?)
Sometimes I wonder if the Global Warming People have lost their way. In the heat of a debate (not the right word), it seems people get lost and do not know where they have been, where they are at, or where they are going.
There are two groups in the Global Warming debate:1. Those who believe there is Global Warming2. Those who do not believe there is Global Warming.
After years, years, and years of a lot of talk and fist fighting a very large majority of people fall within the first group. With very, very few in the second group (and yes, Kansas is here).
The debate these days is What is causing Global Warning and is there anything man can do to stop it. It does not make any difference if we did it to ourselves or did not do it. The question should be, “WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?”
Doing nothing is not the answer.
If global warming is real and we don’t do anything, the world faces catastrophic consequences.
If global warming isn’t real and we clean up our waste and our environment anyway, then we have a much nicer world to live in and have been good stewards of the abundance God has given us.
I believe it is better to be safe than sorry.
$290 million dollars for Century II and not a vote for the tax payers to decide!
Yet, people complain about the $179 million dollar arena?
Funny how the City’s plan to spend $290 million for Century II came after the Casino vote.
What say you JWink! I notice you ignored the Century II story. Went straight ahead and putting down Wichita and it’s history, like you always do. By advocating a marker for a dead police officer of the 30’s. You’re a real piece of $hit, you know that!
Triple X and HUD: How about holding a special election … twenty brass historical markers @ total of $4,000 for history buffs VS a useless white elephant downtown arena @ $300,000,000.22 for ice hockey enthusiasts.
Which do you think would win?
Which do I think would win, Century II, of course.
You people keep looking at a half-full glass.
Turn it around and find some good. Like “Wichita home of the White Elephant”.
Okay, I have a question.
I am trying to decide if I should continue to live in Wichita or move to China.
Why should I stay in Wichita and continue to pay a third party to supply me with my daily allowance of Lead, anti-freeze, and various other elements from the peridic table not normally considered in the food group?
Brass history marker. “Here is Where the Casino Died”
Hud,
Do not question authority. This country will be at the top of the New World Order. We must first open our borders – whoops – already did that. Then we must sell our souls to cheap labor – whoops, already did that too. Then we must initiate wars for no apparent reason – whoops, already did that too. Next is the UN becoming the most powerful entity that no one would dare live without. Ok, that last piece may take a while. Until then, DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY.
I saw a news report today that puts Mitt Romney’s wealth at 250 million dollars. Now where are all those Republicans that were denouncing John Edwards for being too wealthy? Isn’t Romney one of you Republicans?
I don’t think Romney goes around proclaiming to understand the poor, or try to be cha “champion” of the poor, or charge 50K for a speech about the poor
I do not remember the numbers and could not find then real quick; but, isn’t 250 million considered to be small change to Edwards?
Oh did I miss the memo where Romney has been a lawyer fighting for the little guy? Edwards career as a lawyer has been fighting for the little guy when he has been harmed by corporate greed. What is wrong with that?
Oh yeah, in the Republicans’ world – hands off the corporations, they are God.
And since when is 250million dollars ’small change’???
Republicans will never accept the fact that even Democrats can accumulate wealth.
How much does Daddy Bush charge for a speech? How much does any prominent Republican charge for a speech?
I realize this is not the same because Republicans would never give a speech about the poor. The poor does not enter into their world except when using them to make more profits.
GW will be lucky to get a nickle for speeches.
I’d pay good money to watch George fall off a bike or choke on a pretzel.
I think I recall Reagan getting something like $1Million for a speech somewhere after he left office… $50,000 for a prominent speaker is peanuts… That really is pocket change, when you consider the cost of the Jet, the Hotels, food, etc.
And hey, what about Romney’s”no hair out of place” hair cuts?? Or is that maybe a hair piece?? Never heard anything on that yet… But, he is a Republican, and such things usually arent mentioned…
And, as for Edwards, if he is wealthy, so what?? The way it looks now days, you cant even afford to RUN for President if you arent wealthy!! And maybe thats a good idea… Maybe its a good idea for a candidate to be wealthy, so as not to be too dependent on the “Kindness of strangers…”
Joe, where do you get off calling ANYONE a piece of shit?Why is the idea of respect lost on so many nowadays? What ever happened to civil discussions?This should be a forum for ideas, opinions, and polite debate, not name calling and personal insults. Grow up.
I certainly don;t care if Edwards if wealthy. Maidmarion brought it up. I do care that he proclaims so much to be about the little people, or the poor people. Plain BS. Same As I heard Teddy Kennedy say one time he knew how poor people felt. Gag.
Republicans will never accept the fact that even Democrats can accumulate wealth.
Posted by: maidmarion | August 14, 2007 at 09:03 AM
You’ve got to be kidding, right? Riches senators? Dems. George Soros? Dem/ Bill Gates? Kennedys?It is the poor Democrats who think only Republicans are rich
littlejohn,
Gates isn’t a Democrat. He’s unaffiliated. However, as this NRO article from 1999 shows, his political contributions tilt toward Republicans.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_2_51/ai_53662235/pg_2
And on this site, Gates gives 1% more to Democrats than to Republicans.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/biography/bill_gates.asp
But he seems to be about supporting incumbents more than anything: in 1999 he supported Senator Slade Gorton (R-WA), while in 2006 he backed Gorton’s successor, Maria Cantwell (D-WA).
Interesting to see him supporting various Blue Dog Democrats like Ellen Tauscher (R-CA). But he also backs some real nutjobs like David Drier (R-CA).
It would be too strong, I think, to call Bill Gates a Democrat. Both his parents were big in the Washington GOP. Gates is more like a Dan Evans-style, moderate Republican–an increasingly rarity in a rightwardly-pushed GOP.
Is this “anti-Semitic?”
President Bush: Tell us why US Tax Dollars Fund Israeli Prostitution Business?
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
Israeli government must stop human rights abusesagainst trafficked women
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150242000
Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129157,00.html
U.S. Report: Israel not doing enough to fight human trafficking
By Ruth Sinai, HAARETZ
“Israel is a destination country for traffickedpersons” according to the U.S. State Department’sAnnual Trafficking in Persons Report, released inWashington yesterday. Throughout the world, some800,000-900,000 people are victims of traffickingeach year, a global business that yields $7-10billion in profits for those who conduct thishuman trade, the report states.Israel is ranked among the “Tier2″ countries in the report { Rice had them bumped-up from “tier 3″ to avoid “sanctions” required by US Law }.
http://www.kavlaoved.org.il/katava_main.asp?news_id=537&sivug_id=24
Ever hear of Lady Astor??? FILTHY rich, and yet supported the “little people” all her life… Once again, how can you be FOR the “little people” if you dont have resources to BE for them?? If you are a lawyer, and you fight cases on behalf of the “little guy” why shouldnt you get your fair percentage??? After all, you are doing the work… not the “little guy”
All of the Anti-Edwards crap is just a bunch of propaganda, to try to push buttons on people, to get them all fired up against a man who disagrees with the Republican “establishment” As long as he pays his taxes on what he makes, what does it really matter how big his house is, or how much is in his bank account??
Who is running the most message disciplined Rove-like campaign?
That’s right Hillary Clinton.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/08/14/hillary_the_rove_candidate_of.html#more
It would be too strong, I think, to call Bill Gates a Democrat. Both his parents were big in the Washington GOP. Gates is more like a Dan Evans-style, moderate Republican–an increasingly rarity in a rightwardly-pushed GOP.
Posted by: CF2K | August 14, 2007 at 10:34 AM
i stand corrected. Not sure where I got that idea, but apparently it was wrong
you are a lawyer, and you fight cases on behalf of the “little guy” why shouldnt you get your fair percentage??? After all, you are doing the work… not the “little guy”
Posted by: Chas. | August 14, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Therein lies the dilemma. Yes, they are doing all the work, yes they deserve to be paid a fair percentage. I am not sure 40-50% is a fair percentage. Afer all, it is not THEY who was damaged.
(CBS) Obesity is about to become this country’s leading cause of preventable death.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/12/60II/main628877.shtml
So the mortality rates are bunk. It isn’t a failing health care system, it is adults failing to be self disciplined.
Crap. wrong freakin thread. My bad.
I personally don;t give a DAMN about how much money HE, or any other politcian, has. I am tired of just two things1) the notion that the “rich” is the exclusive playground of th Republicans2) People who have millions, without giving up their one, telling me I should pay more in taxes to support the poor. You know, there is no limit on how much contributions you choose to give.
Good point, MaidMarion.
The reich-wing can’t stop talking about Edward’s haircut, but not a peep about Romney spending 800 dollars for MAKE-UP.
I kid you not. The guy spent 800 for a make-up specialist to get himself all gussied up for a TV appearance.
Please God, let a man named “Mitt” be the Republican nominee. “Percival” or “Pierre” would be better, but “Mitt” will do . . .
Sol–
A majority of people are not “self-disciplined”? We’ve just become a nation of fatties because we all just got lazy over the years?
Maybe there’s a systemic cause–like more work and less play, TV nation, and government subsidies for starch and fat –corn and corn SYRUP, cheese (3/4ths fat), pork etc.–and none for vegetables and fruit.
XXX,
Hasn’t cosmos coached you that weather is not climate? :)
Besides I remember several summers as a kid in the 1960s where July August temperatures were 100+ In fact the thermometer on a shade tree my grandfather had was at 106F one day!
Ruh, roh!
Cheney is voting with his investments that the US economy is heading for a major dive . . . Read it and weep, folks.
Cheney Betting on Economic Collapse?
July 6, 2006Mike Whitney / Information Clearing House’
“While Dick Cheney has proclaimed that “deficits don’t matter,” his investment strategy shows he’s not banking on the US economy. The US is $8.3 trillion in debt and has to borrow $2.5 billion a day to keep paying bills. Cheney knows that interest rates are going up and the dollar is headed for the dumpster. Cheney, along with many other US-based millionaires, has moved millions of dollars into European bond funds.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13851.h...
WASHINGTON (July 4, 2006) — Wouldn’t you like to know where Dick Cheney puts his money? Then you’d know whether his “deficits don’t matter” claim is just baloney or not.
Well, as it turns out, Kiplinger Magazine ran an article based on Cheney’s financial disclosure statement and, sure enough, found out that the VP is lying to the American people for the umpteenth time. Deficits do matter and Cheney has invested his money accordingly.
The article is called “Cheney’s Betting on Bad Bews” and provides an account of where Cheney has socked away more than $25 million. While the figures may be estimates, the investments are not. According to Tom Blackburn of the Palm Beach Post, Cheney has invested heavily in “a fund that specializes in short-term municipal bonds, a tax-exempt money market fund and an inflation protected securities fund. The first two hold up if interest rates rise with inflation. The third is protected against inflation.”…cont.
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=4...
CapnAmerica-The link doesn’t work, And I cannot find the article on the home page.
Capn: Your articles are over a year old!
I guess if the VP bet against the US economy last year (which I doubt), he missed out.
Well, if Econ101 got it to work, maybe Idid something wrong. Let me try again
Totally random, but thinking back to the blog post about Donald Betts running for Congress I have a better idea. Let’s get Raj Goyle’s wife, Monica, to run!! I met her last year when she was campaigning with him. She’s a very smart, outgoing, personable woman and she’d do a fantastic job in Congress. Plus she’s pretty damn hot! Monica Goyle for Congress!!
Well, I found the article by using the search function on the home page. Duh. It is over a year old, I am not sure how it worked out for him. i do have a question though, that maybe someone can answer. Isnt Cheney’s money in a nonselfdirected trust? Or a blind trust?
Capn must collect old links and then excitedly spring them on everyone like they are news.
Only someone unfamiliar with portfolio management would think there was anything unusual about Cheney allocating his assets over a number of domestic and foreign investments. Rich guys are concerned primarily with preservation of capital, not growth like the rest of us trying to get there.
Yeah, sure, outlander.
It’s just a coincidence that all of Cheney’s investments are hedges against inflation and a tanking dollar.
Pure coincidence, that’s all . . .
BTW, the worst investment I ever made was buying some Euro gov’t bond funds in ‘92. I thought it was a sure thing.
Overseas investments are a funny way to protect capital . . .
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13851.htm
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=4340
Okay, try those links, LJ.
And check that Dow!
It was around 11,000 when Bush took office. Now it’s fallen back to 13,200 from a high of 14,000.
That’s a pitiful 20 percent return over 6.5 years or an interest rate somewhere around THREE PERCENT A YEAR.
You’re doing a heck-of-a-job on the economy, W. A heck-of-a-job.
Flossie bears down on Hawaii as Dean forms in Atlantic
Thank God we finally have some hurricans forming. It’s getting late in a season with global warming fixated estimates falling far short.
The media has to headline this news since they went crazy with those early predictions. They need hurricans. They need global warming. They need us on that wall!
Sol, wait for it…fat debit cards…coming to a healthcare plan near you.
XXX,
Thanks for the link to Crowson’s global warming cartoon, http://www.kansas.com/599/image_media/147345.html
It’s very funny, and a good play on GW doubters who use cold weather to argue GW isn’t happening.
“XXX,
Hasn’t cosmos coached you that weather is not climate? :)
Besides I remember several summers as a kid in the 1960s where July August temperatures were 100+ In fact the thermometer on a shade tree my grandfather had was at 106F one day!”
Posted by: Kansas, aka troll, aka liar | August 14, 2007 at 11:33 AM
ROFLMAO! The troll doesn’t understand the cartoon.
AND Kansas seems to argue that hot “weather” days in the 1960’s proves that GW isn’t happening??
“The US is $8.3 trillion in debt and has to borrow $2.5 billion a day to keep paying bills.”
Well heck, let’s SPEND some more money!
Free healthcare for all and a new museum for every little town in America. Bridges to nowhere, were only a problem during the election speech campaign. Build em all!
The media has to headline this news since they went crazy with those early predictions. They need hurricans. They need global warming. They need us on that wall!
Posted by: Hotdog1 | August 14, 2007 at 12:18 PM
HD – I don’t see myself as a global warming alarmist, but to think it’s just not happening is ignorant. Personally, I had never heard of a tornado in New York, have you? And it doesn’t seem normal to me that it got so hot in central and SE U.S. that fish were dying in streams in Mississippi because the water got so hot it there was no oxygen for the fish.
Oh boy, it seems that every weather event is going to be tied to global warming.
Well, I’m sure it’s convenient to have a rote response.
Outlander – Not every weather event, but honestly, had you ever heard of a tornado in New York? It doesn’t seem odd to you?
Outlander and all of you other Nay Sayers on GW… Global Warming Aint about Weather!!! And especially not about Kansas Weather, or local City Weather… it is about the GLOBAL changes… ALL OVER… not just here at home… AND, one of the reasons the “hurricane season” is LATE, is one of the effects of the Overall GW effect on the entire atmosphere…
Why do you Nay Sayers keep trying to confuse the simple issue that is before us… The GLOBAL climate is changing — whether it’s MAN made, or otherwise… The conservation measures WE can take now, can only serve to HELP the over all atmospheric conditions… They cant HURT anything… Not doing ANYthing WILL hurt in the long run… Imagine what steel producing cities might look like, if something would not have happened to “Clean them Up!!”
Imagine what steel producing cities might look like, if something would not have happened to “Clean them Up!!”
Posted by: Chas.
Uh – they are ghost towns. Been to Cleveland in the last decade? Youngstown?
The steel is no longer made in America.
Air is cleaner though.
a tornado in New York, ? And it got so hot in central and SE U.S. that fish were dying in streams in MississippiPosted by: TDT
These are all seasonal events. You can find unusual weather events every year. And Chas has worked hard to make it a point that there is a difference between weather and climate (at least I think he has).
I was just trying to point out that the media, and certain GW fanatic’s turn to any and every weather event and say, “Global Warming”.
I get tired of hearing the sky is falling. Especially when the event cited is not evidence of GW.
That’s called lying.
It doesn’t help convince me to their cause.
Looks like we’ll break DOW 13000 before we ever see DOW 14000.
Chas, most people don’t deny Climate Change.
The argument is the cause of Climate Change. The Alarmist propaganda machine is so strong they ruin scientists careers and drive industry out of competition.
They make up things like carbon credits which doesn’t nothing at all, but put money in the hands of money brokers to become richer.
Even the Alarmists state they don’t everything that causes climate change, but they sure are in a hurry to make a “buck” out of it by running around screaming “the sky is falling.”
What’s the problem here, illegal immigration, or gun control:
“Consider the ghastly events in Newark, New Jersey, where three African-American students were killed execution-style and a fourth was shot in the head but survived. The accused ringleader is Jose Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru, who was previously charged with raping a 5-year-old girl and threatening her parents.”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/13/navarette.opinion/index.html
“These are all seasonal events. You can find unusual weather events every year.”
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I would agree… BUT — when you start finding those same anomalies world wide, in times and seasons when they shouldnt be happening, That is where the GLOBAL issue comes into play….
The GLOBAL climate is changing — Posted by: Chas. | August 14, 2007 at 12:59 PM
By how much and over what period of time?
Global warming makes extreme weather more likely to happen — it’s like loaded dice.
‘U.N.: Extreme Weather Is Sign Of Global Warming’http://www.thedailygreen.com/2007/08/08/un-extreme-weather-is-sign-of-global-warming/4915/“Some facts:* 11 of the past 12 years rank among the 12 warmest on record for global surface temperature.
* The rate of warming has doubled in the past 50 years.
* The temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere in the second half of the 20th Century were very likely higher than any other 50-year period in at least 500 years, and likely the highest in at least 1,300 years.
* Concurrent with that, extreme weather events have become more frequent in the past 50 years.
* Unabated global warming will continue to make extreme weather events more frequent.”
Also,’GLOBAL Temperatures: Land-Ocean Indexhttp://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2_lrg.gif
Sol, it’s a total assessment of everything that is being measured… The Ice of Greenland… Melting of Arctic Seas, and huge ice flows… These are not necessarily things we will SEE on a daily basis… But there are things that can be done to protect the overall environment… I would recommend a really good fiction piece by the author of the “Thornbirds” Colleen McCullogh… “A Creed for the Third Millenium” lots of good food for thought there…
What’s the problem here, illegal immigration, or gun control
Neither. This is racial profiling.
Outlander – Not every weather event, but honestly, had you ever heard of a tornado in New York? It doesn’t seem odd to you?
Posted by: TDT | August 14, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Actually, I read a statistic about tornadoes that they occur in every month and every state in the U.S.
Can’t seem to find it now, it was probably on one of the Weather web sites.
“By how much and over what period of time?”
Posted by: SolDevVB | August 14, 2007 at 01:16 PM
That depends on,How fast, and how much humans cut greenhouse gas emissions.
The added warming, at an unknown rate, caused by natural positive feedbacks.
The thermal inertia of the oceans.
Whether humans can develop a safe way to remove GHG’s from Earths atmosphere.
UN website got hacked thru a SQL injection. Looks like they got it cleaned up now though.
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2007/08/sql_unjection.php
http://hackademix.net/2007/08/12/united-nations-vs-sql-injections/
GOVERNMENT SPENDING INSANITY
Mayor Bloomberg of NYC “won” $354 MILLION dollars today in FEDERAL (ie. Us Stupid Taxpayers’) money to reduce NYC traffic congestion by charging daily tolls.
“The congestion charging plan is designed not only to cut traffic, but to generate hundreds of millions of dollars in annual revenue that could be used to help pay for large-scale transportation projects.”
–Now, how much Taxpayer Money is needed to establish toll roads designed to collect More Taxpayer Money?
So we spend taxpayer dollars in order to collect more taxpayer dollars?
When the toll roads have collected $354 million, does NYC start paying back the Federal Government? Heck no.
HUH? WTF?
It’s time to say enough is enough. Call/Write your Congressmen today to stop out-of-controll Government spending!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/nyregion/14cnd-traffic.html?hp
Remember, Mayor Bloomberg ran negative Ads to tell Kansans to fight the Tiahrt amendment.
Let’s pay Bloomberg back, let’s lobby to cut the Pork Spending in NYC!
The GLOBAL climate is changing — whether it’s MAN made, or otherwise..Posted by: Chas.
That depends on,How fast, and how much humans cut greenhouse gas emissions.Posted by: cosmos
So without knowing what is causing GW, whether it is man or natural events, we react with restrictions on our lives – without fully understanding cause and effect?
incognito – it’s only racial profiling if it isn’t the truth.
After burn,
We know that human-added greenhouse gases are causing GW.
Click on this link, and read the documents,
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_220172727.html
Aug 9, 2007 8:40 am US/Eastern
NWS: Tornadoes Slam Brooklyn, Staten IslandF2 Twister Gained Intensity As It Converged On Bay RidgeSlideshow: Tornado, Floods Wreak Havoc In NYCHow To Get AroundFeatured Slideshows:Wild Babies: Animal Love TalesSlideshow: Openly Gay CelebritiesCoolest Fighter Jets…Ever!Coolest Submarines…Ever!(CBS) NEW YORK What was thought to be a violently windy thunderstorm that plowed through Brooklyn Wednesday morning turned out to be a weather event of historical proportions.
The National Weather Service confirmed Wednesday night that an EF1 tornado touched down in the Livingston-Randall Manor area of Staten Island before eventually becoming the EF2 that slammed into Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.
During a 10-minute stretch around 6:30 a.m. Wednesday the twister skipped along a nine-mile path before zipping through the Verrazano Narrows and into Bay Ridge. The storm marked Brooklyn’s first tornado since such weather events were recorded. Officials measured it to be an EF2 twister, characterized by winds of anywhere from 111 to 135 miles per hour.
Well Kansas, this was a first. I guess I was too general saying New York. In New York, however, in the 1950’s there were 12 tornadoes, in the 1960’s there were 31, in the 1970’s there were 54, in the 1980’s 67, and from 1990 to 1995 there were 91. Link below is where I got these statistics, BTW.
http://www.disastercenter.com/newyork/tornado.html
One in three Chinese children have unacceptable lead levels in their bodies. One in twenty American children have unacceptable levels. I’m betting the playing field will narrow over the next decade!
It’s like the war in Iraq. Bushies will keep on denying the obvious until we’re waist deep in it; hell they’ll even deny it then!
Interesting, TDT–
There was a steady rise in tornadic activity in New York state from decade to decade.
Exactly what the Global Warming model would predict.
More heat = more energy.
More energy = more severe storms.
More severe storms = more tornados.
Capn:
“There was a steady rise in tornadic activity in New York state from decade to decade.
Exactly what the Global Warming model would predict.”
Or, just as likely – better radars, better spotting, better reporting, but the actual numbers of tornados haven’t changed much.
There is no doubt that with Doppler radars here in Kansas that we now spot tornados in rural areas that in the past would never have been known of all.
Does that mean we have more tornados? Or just that we are aware of them now?
try “would never have been known of AT all.”
That’s clearer, I hope. Clear as mud . . .
Does that mean we have more tornados? Or just that we are aware of them now?Posted by: GMC70 | August 14, 2007 at 07:24 PM
Sidebar on Doppler and Tornado’s. I have written the NWS about coming out with a new Tornado report level. As a weather buff, I have been noticing the increased number of Tornado Warnings.
Many of these warnings are for what they call “Doppler Indicated” and are based upon the pronounced fish “hook” echo which appears in the SW quandrant of the meso cell cyclone. Sirens sound.
Too many times – this does not directly result in a tornado on the ground.
Overuse of the Tornado Warning may result in people not taking shelter.
I would like to see a new level:
Tornado Watch: Conditions are rightTornado Imminent: Doppler detectedTornado Warning: Sighted and on the ground
The NWS does a great job. I have observed as anyone in Kansas has, the great improvements in storm reporting and weather in general.
But I’m afraid people will become complacent to the sirens being sounded when no tornado exists.
End of sidebar.
Bush took the bait and now the White House has attacked Hillary;
My girl Hill will pull his pants down for the world to see Bush for the boy he is!
How ’bout it Kansas? You still hiding in your basement afraid to help out in Iraq?
My girl Hill will pull his pants down
That is something she should have done in her own marriage and maybe saved Monica the trouble.
You can sure tell Karl Rove is gone from Bush’s side. He would not have fallen for Hillary’s ploy.
The Republicans are falling apart and their low IQ President will soon be seen for the dufus he is.
It’s just too bad that good American soldiers have to die for tin soldiers like Kansas and Outlander.
To clarify Tornado warnings,agree with you Hotdog1.
Would like to clarify:
Tornado Watch: Conditions are right.Tornado Warning Doppler detected: Means what it says.
Tornado Warning Sighted On Ground: Means what it says.
BTW, going to the airport so will be busy for awhile.
Would love to join the budget/welfare discussions though.
No one reports the Fiscal Crisis like Hotdog1.
People will listen, but maybe not before it’s too late.
Guess what year this headline is from.
“Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.”
Then read.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070814/NATION02/108140063
The Washington Times is a rag like the National Enquirer. Hardly a good source for anything!
For whatever reason, too many people can’t figure out the difference between a watch and a warning as it is. Adding another isn’t very bright.
And besides, those of us who do know the difference will hear the weatherman or watch the scroll and it says very plainly – a tornado was SPOTTED…or doppler radar indicated.
It is ridiculous that so many don’t heed a warning and instead run outside. And yet, they’re probably the same ones who complained about Hurricane Katrina victims.
Yes, people are stupid.
Proved your point Mom.
We really need to pay more money to the current bad union teachers.
People can’t even figure out tornado warnings and watches today.
duh is a word that is best descriptive of the writer. Hardley good for anything.
Isn’t Max another name for bloody rag?
You do urself proud.
Washington Times owned by Sun Myung Moon, and Unification Church… The Moonies…. You all still think its a reliable source???
The Moonies are strong bush supporters; of course they are credible!
“Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.”
Posted by: Heckler | August 14, 2007 at 08:11 PM
1) Do you have any credible temperature data to go with that old headline?
Note that in the recent NASA temperature correction, for ONLY the U.S (48 states), 1998 went from being 0.01 degrees C. warmer than 1934, to being 0.02 degrees cooler.
In other words, a virtual tie, was corrected to a virtual tie.
2) The problem is human-caused “GLOBAL warming” — not “Arctic Ocean warming”, by some unknown amount, in the 1920’s.
That’s why this graph is labeled,
“Global Temperature: Land-Ocean Index”.http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2_lrg.gif
cosmos
Had that temp variation been reversed folks like you in the congregation of global warming alarmism would have been screaming from the mountaintops to highlight it.
Heckler,
If the correction was in the opposite direction, it would’ve just caused some emails to the scientists who use the data.
I don’t understand why you, Rush, et al believe very minor, almost imperceptible corrections are significant.
‘Before and After’ [graphs]http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/before-and-after/
Why is your side “screaming from the mountaintops” about it?
Desperately trying to deceive others? Uninformed? Or just plain STUPID?