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Open thread 8/12
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 12, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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Kansas, aka troll,
We’re still waiting for your credible scientific sources, for your post,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-810.html#comment-79114984
Why the long delay defending all of YOUR claims, that YOU made last Friday at 6:31 PM?
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/distro_LightUpstairs_70810.pdf “The effect on global temperature (Figure 2) was of order one-thousandth of a degree, so the corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable.”
Add up Sam (the Sham) Brownback’s and Mike Huckabee’s straw vote totals and Mitt (the Mormon) Romney came in second place in Iowa’s straw vote.
That’s gotta worry the Republic Party. Rudy and McCain and Fred weren’t even in the race but none of those would likely capture a bunch of twice-born voters.
The Republic Party coalition that barely eked out George WMD Bush’s elections (if that), in 2000 and 2004 is divided against itself.
There are plenty of Republics who will sit on their hands rather than vote for thrice-married Giuliani or Mormon Romney. McCain’s flip-flopping (except when it comes to his soft-hearted attitude toward Mexican immigrants) won’t get the GOP nomination.
Romney can get only a *third* of the votes from the most avid Republic Party voters in Iowa!
Republics, meet the Whigs. You have so much in common.
sorry, long time, we’ve seen the country’s true colors. When it come down to it they’ll vote for the white male; it won’t matter who it is.
Without a doubt OUR candidate is not the fair haired boy of the established Social conservative ( Religious Right), Neo-Cons, ruin of the GOP. Yes I noticed that, Paul fell so hard through the cracks with Fox Spews! In fact it was only while reading someone’s blog that I was able to learn where Paul sat in the poll.I did not get to watch the show except for the last of Brownback’s party, OMG it looks like he had more supporters in Iowa then in the entire States of Kansas. He is quickly becoming know as a failure at a Senator here. There is such a growing split between the Moderates/ Fiscal conservatives here in Kansas and the R.R. Neo-con Me-Me. Every time I start to feel alone, I find one more that is sick of how the party and the country is being ran. As a cross-over candidate Paul is a head, many of the Moderate Democrats like Dr. Paul. Listening to the call-in after the speeches yesterday most of the Democrats calling in liked Dr. Paul and there were a few Republicans called to say they liked him too. Dr. Ron Paul is AMERICA’S CANDIDATE!. But it remains to be seen if America has a say in the matter?
All those folks paid $35 per ticket and only 54% voted. There was a ‘hold up’ when the votes were tallied…
Y’all have seen my posts on who the GOP wants for a candidate.
Y’all have seen my posts on how diebold systems can be comprimised.
Seems to me the two have worked nicely together.
RON PAUL 2008
The only some reason Democrats like Ron Paul is because he’s against the war. Other than that, he’s evil, because he’s Republican. But he is a fringe candidate, so be real writerdog.
The Straw Polls are sort of a joke anyways. The media makes a big deal about it and that is the only reason why it gets attention. But Rudy, Fred, John McCain didn’t even participate.
Like the old saying: The only polls that count, are the ones on election day.
Although I would vote for Ron Paul over many of the other Republican Candidates, including Mitt Romney. I will not vote for that man.
The religious right will never vote for someone who tells them it aint their right to stick their nose into other people’s business and tell them how to live. So Ron Paul is screwed from that end.
Incorrect assumptions why people don’t like Ron Paul.
He is part of the “Blame America First” crowd. He refuses to read the 911 Report and concur with the Commission’s Report that the U.S. did not provoke the attack that killed thousands of innocent people.
This is like saying that the U.S. provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Ron Paul will never be forgiven for his wild-eyed statements that blame America first.
cosmos just doesn’t get the fact that the sacred writings of Hansen and the IPCC have been compromised by bad calculations.
cosmos fails to put in the 0.15 deviation in the U.S. data also stated in the report.
As stated previously, the World Wide Data has not best challenged yet and will most likely reveal the same erroneous data as the U.S. was.
The Alarmist are back peddling now trying to sell their “bad data” now will be much more difficult as they have been caught lying to the American Public.
Real Scientists would have not made such a simple mistake in calculations.
If we cannot trust them to interpret data correctly, how can we trust them on collecting the data.
The Alarmist Scientist have been shown now, that they publish unchecked shoddy work and that their peer-review science system is broken.
Not broken you say? Then how did “thousands” of scientists miss that calculation error. Hmmm?
Cover up I would say or gross negligence and incompetence or all three.
“Add up Sam (the Sham) Brownback’s and Mike Huckabee’s straw vote totals and Mitt (the Mormon) Romney came in second place in Iowa’s straw vote.”
Who cares about the Iowa straw poll? In fact who cares about Iowa period? The fact is that Iowa and New Hampshire have way too much sway over the presidential primary process and the other states are getting tired of it which is why they are moving their primary days back. If it were up to me, the first primary in the country would be held in Illinois simply because Illinois is the state that is most like the rest of the country as a whole in population and geography. It is both a northern and southern state and it racial make up is balanced as is its city, suburban, small town and rural population.
I wouldn’t give to much weight to the Iowa poll. It was a circus.
And the Iowa Republicans were obviously not happy about the front-runners Giuliani and Fred Thompson not showing up. Had they shown up, the poll might have been more representative of what the national polls show now.
And on another note, global warming.
Haven’t seen that discussed much here.
Did you know the internal Earth’s temperature is cooling? The hot iron magma that generates the magentic blanket around the Earth is cooling.
So when that magma cools, the magnetic blanket becomes weaker, then all of the Sun’s cosmic rays will reach the Earth and boil off the atmoshere.
But I have a solution. We just need to find a way to pump all that excess global warmth from the atmosphere, to the center of the Earth.
Kills two birds with one stone!
this story makes me want to puke:
No roadside bombs to annoy Romney boys in Iowa
http://news.bostonherald.com/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1016334&srvc=home
Hawkeye–
What kind of a time-frame are we talking about here?
Kev–
I totally agree. In Iowa, even the liberals are conservative.
And the caucus process is f***ed.
Who has two hours to go dicker about candidates on the coldest night of the year? Not people who work for a living.
It lends itself well to all kinds of strong arm tatics. AND it is not a secret vote.
Kerry basically BOUGHT his way out of third place thanks to Iowa.
And we all saw how that worked out for us . . .
What is the purpose of a “Straw Pol”?
Is this just a reality show?
I think the Straw Poll is deisigned to suck as much money as possible from the Republicans for the benefit of their party.
Thus…Straw Sucking.
‘The newly corrected data, blows your temperature increase trend right out of the water.
It also shows that CO2 increase and temperature rise is unrelated at least in the 20th century. Because the mean temperatures that replaced the old data reflect a trend of temperature without a correlation to CO2 increases.
Your scientists are back to square one now cosmos.”
Posted by: Kansas, aka troll | August 10, 2007 at 06:31 PM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/08/open-thread-810.html#comment-79114984
All you have is LIES.
The CO2 rise is GLOBAL.
The temperature rise is GLOBAL (Fig. 2).
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/distro_LightUpstairs_70810.pdf “The effect on GLOBAL temperature (Figure 2) was of order one-thousandth of a degree, so the corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable.”
The troll Kansas has no respect for the facts, and science. He has ZERO credibility.
Romney Leadership Team Member Overseeing Straw Poll
http://vote-ron-paul-2008.blogspot.com/2007/08/romney-leadership-team-member.html
Kansas,
Blame America first? How about owning mistakes? You know how to do that right?
How many years have we been involved in Mid-East leadership/politics? How many years did we bomb Iraq? Who invented Iraq? Who kept their fingers in other people’s pies for WAY too long?
Ownership Kansas. Try owning up to mistakes. You might be surprised how liberating it is. When you take the GOP blinders of for a second, you might even see a sliver of truth in the world. Won’t THAT be a new experience for you?!?!
It may interest the poll conspicary theorists to know the Iowa Straw Poll results were delayed several times.
Originally to be announced at 7 pm. Then they announced it would be 7:15 pm. Then 7:30 pm.
Finally, just over an hour late (after “fixing” a broken vote counting machine) the results were announced.
Has anyone seen footage of the straw poll? Beyond the drive by pictures? It is my understanding that the Ron Paul group far outnumbered any of the other candidates.
Anyone see otherwise?
“We just need to find a way to pump all that excess global warmth from the atmosphere, to the center of the Earth.”
Posted by: Hawkeye | August 12, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Problem is, heat transfer always goes from hot to cold, and the core is hotter.
And the excess global warmth in the atmosphere is tiny, compared to the rise in heat content of the warming oceans (also caused by human-caused GW).
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/breakthroughs/warming_ocean/welcome.html#comparing “In the article, NODC scientists concluded that the world ocean had potentially absorbed 20 x 1022 joules, and warmed 0.06 degrees Fahrenheit….Put in other terms, the sudden release of this energy from the ocean would warm the bottom 10 km (6.2 mi) of the atmosphere approximately 22 degrees Celsius (40 degrees Fahrenheit). “
Regardless of what you think about the straw poll, with all the credibility he put into it, Brownback is now zwieback.
Good one MrC. Matbe he will see the light and drop his Quixotic bid. Then again, maybe he will keep tilting at windmills and further destroy his political career.
Unfortunately, KS voters will likely ‘forget and forgive’ as they has so many times with Tankerless Todd.
If it were up to me, the first primary in the country would be held in IllinoisPosted by: Kev
How fortunate for the rest of America it is not up to you.
All those folks paid $35 per ticket
Posted by: SolDevVB
Sol, from what I heard from people who were there – most people did NOT pay to vote. Each individual campaign offered to pay for the ticket – if the voter promised to vote for THEIR candidate.
I heard this from a reliable source.
Flip Flopping or Paranoid Schizophrenic?
Didn’t Hillary last say she would pull US Troops out of Iraq? Wasn’t she pushing for defunding the war?
Maybe Hillary could make a promise to tell no more lies (as long as you ask her no more questions.)?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/12/tough_talk_drives_clinton_effort?mode=PFTough talk drives Clinton effortNational security stance seen adding to image of strengthBy Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff | August 12, 2007
Facing liberal bloggers last weekend, Hillary Clinton reminded the crowd that she experienced firsthand the sickening smell and taste in the air at the World Trade Center site after Sept. 11, 2001. At Tuesday night’s debate in Chicago, she insisted the United States needs to keep Al Qaeda “on the run” in Iraq.
The next day, she stopped off for a private tour of the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard before a stump speech in New Hampshire.
Clinton has taken extraordinary pains, not only on the campaign trail but in her years in the US Senate, to position herself as the candidate who would be the strongest commander in chief, even as she has infuriated some Democrats who believe her desire to appear tough made her slow to criticize the Iraq war.
Iowa Straw Poll Videohttp://www.kcci.com/video/13872800/index.html
Look for Paul people….
“As stated previously, the World Wide Data has not best challenged yet and will most likely reveal the same erroneous data as the U.S. was.”
Posted by: Kansas, aka troll | August 12, 2007 at 08:32 AM
And I guess you believe that the satellites are providing the SAME “erroneous data”?
http://atmoz.org/blog/2007/08/12/more-gisstemp-and-surface-station-stuff
However, today I’ve plotted the UAH MSU data (taken from satellites, remember?), and the GISS temperature on the same plot.[graph]Now, we can clearly see that they both are rising at the same rate, and that correlated interannual variability is captured in both data sets.”
More satellite graphs at,http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/before-and-after/
‘Conservatives vs NASA on Global Warming (Update II)’http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/11/72959/3572
Hillary’s Iraq positions in just the last 12 months:
Pentagon calls her unpatriotic for asking about exit plan. (Jul 2007)
FactCheck: Correct that DoD has no plan to remove all troops. (Jul 2007)Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority. (Jun 2007)
The War on Terror is not a bumper sticker but a real war. (Jun 2007)
The Iraq war is Bush’s war. (Jun 2007)
Iraq war wouldn’t have happened had the inspectors been sent. (Jun 2007)
It was a mistake to trust Bush on his judgment to wage war. (Jun 2007)
This war is up to Iraqi people to win or lose, not the US. (Apr 2007)Begin re-deployment out of Iraq in 90 days. (Apr 2007)America elected this Congress to bring our troops home. (Apr 2007)No permanent bases, but continuing residual force in Iraq. (Apr 2007)
Online petition to pressure Bush & GOP for redeployment. (Apr 2007)If Bush doesn’t end Iraq war, when I’m president, I will. (Mar 2007)
Require Bush to redeploy or seek additional authority. (Feb 2007)Takes responsibility for Iraq war vote, but not a mistake. (Feb 2007)
Cap troops in Iraq and no more blank check for war. (Feb 2007)Cut off funds for Iraqi use, but not for troops. (Jan 2007)Bush misused authorization for war. (Jan 2007)At Wellesley in ‘68, steered anti-war movement within system. (Jan 2007)
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately. (Oct 2006)http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm#War_+_Peace
http://ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_War_+_Peace.htm#Voting_Record
Capn, you said it a few times, Al Gore may be the best hope for the Democrats.
How can you tell when Hillary is lying?
Okay – so – who succumbed to the heat? And who succumbed to the chicken?
“How can you tell when Hillary is lying?”
Umm – lemme guess….
…she’s talking???
Fox’s Angle misrepresented NASA correction to claim 1934 is now “hottest year” on record’http://mediamatters.org/items/200708120001?f=h_latest
Also, in 2001, NASA’s Dr. Hansen wrote,http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Hansen_etal.pdf
“The U.S. annual (January-December) mean temperature is slightly warmer in 1934 than in 1998 …”
Just want to say, there was a church shooting in my hometown today. Still waiting to hear from my family who still reside there what it was all about.
I can’t stand Toby Keith.
“Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition”.Now if all those good church goers had guns, maybe they could have defended themselves…maybe it should be required that EVERYONE one carry a gun..after all if we have any gun control, only criminals will have guns, right?”Happiness is a warm gun…mamma”.
Dear Republicans: guess who said the following:
“We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don’t see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”
Care to guess which cross-dressing, marital-infidelity practicing, GOP Presidential front-runner from the state of New York said that in 1994?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A962958260
The whole thing is just unreal to me. It used to be such a nice little town- like Mayberry.
Went to Kindergarten and First grade there. So sad.
pmom–All it takes is one nut, and it looks like that’s all this was.
I’ll leave the spin to others.
The problem is there are far more than just “one nut” out there with guns…Oh well, what’s the life of a few Christians compared to the God given right to carry guns? It’s only colateral damage, and a sacrifice we should be happy to make in order to perserve our freedom. Right boys?
Right boys?Posted by: Mary Caruso
The problem here would have been resolved had carry and conceal permit holders been present in the church body and had they been packin’. The solution to gun violence is more guns. Not sacrificing our lives. Get it right Mary.
People who kill and maim others will use a gun, a car, poison, explosives, their hands or a big stick.
The only deterrent is the knowledge that someone in the crowd is going to kill them painfully once they start.
The human Animal preys on those weaker than themselves. They don’t go after the strong or the protected, they go after the weak and unprotected. Most people who get a permit to own a gun don’t shoot people. The majority of gun deaths come from those who steal or otherwise unlawfully gain a weapon. What makes anyone think that would end because law abiding citizens couldn’t have guns.
I’m from a big city on the East Coast. They have gun control and their news casts don’t even report homicides any more. They’re just a fact of life now In July when we were there they were tracking their upper 200th shooting. No one there can legally own a gun, so no one can protect themselves from the bad guys who don’t care that they can’t own guns.
P-Mom and Mary, before you even know the facts of the case, you leap to conclusions and use this church shooting to advance your gun ban agenda.
P-Mom, if this was your hometown, and you are waiting for the names of the victims to be released, why are you sensationalizing this story for your own political purpose before the facts are even known? If it was my hometown, I’d be in touch with friends and family there to find out if any friends or family were injured, and to find out what happened.
Some Unanswered Questions:
Was the gunmen an illegal immigrant (1 law violation), who possesed firearms (3 guns = 3 more law violations), injured and killed people (More law violations) and was this a terrorist act (involving those from Micronesia) or a personal conflict, or a random act of violence by a nut?
Many gun shootings could be prevented through aggressive enforcement of existing laws, tough sentencing for criminals, stopping the early release from prison of violent criminals.
And yes, sometimes a CCW holder, can stop a crime like this.
Four Grandmothers Beaten With Hammer in Beauty Parlor Attackhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293002,00.html
Too bad the grandmas didn’t have a way to defend themselves from this hammer attacker.
This grandma COULD defend herself:
Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Arlington, TX, 11/10/05
State: tx
American Rifleman Issue: 2/1/2006
After finding a muddy footprint on her back porch and hearing glass break, Susan Buxton was convinced that someone was in her home. According to police, she searched each closet until, finally, as she pulled open the one nearest her front door, she saw a man’s face peering out from underneath a coat. “Shh,” he pleaded. Buxton told her granddaughter to call 9-1-1 and ordered the intruder to lie flat on the floor, or she’d shoot. The home invader then did something he likely regrets: He reached for the 66-year-old woman’s .38-cal. revolver. She fired once, hitting the intruder’s leg. “Ow, you shot me!” he cried out before fleeing. The man, whom police say eluded them by hiding in Buxton’s home after stealing a pickup truck, was apprehended on a balcony a few houses away. “If I didn’t have a gun to protect myself, I probably wouldn’t be here,” Buxton said.
Mary Revised v1.0:
The problem is there are far more than just “one nut” out there with sticks…Oh well, what’s the life of a few Christians compared to the God given right to carry a stick? It’s only colateral damage, and a sacrifice we should be happy to make in order to perserve our freedom. Right boys?
First of all Max, why would you ASSume anything about who I had or had not been in contact with? I already knew it was none of my immediate family. Already talked to them.
Second, I find it to be a tragedy- not a political agenda. I had not made ONE comment about the gun thing yet or immigration or anything. So get over yourself. Apparently YOU do have an agenda to talk about. For your information I’m a fence rider on the whole gun debate. I think people have the right to defend themselves. I’ve been in a position to be afraid enough that I have held a loaded gun in a corner of my basement, hoping my drunk abusive husband didn’t find me there. When I was single, I had a man try to break into my house while I slept. I was terrified for about 3 months.But I also don’t think you should have the right to own ANY weapon you deem necessary.
This whole thing is appearing to be a domestic dispute. I’m just saying that as a kid, I felt really safe there. And anymore the whole area is just crazy for crime. I don’t like it. I don’t like the way the town has become.THAT was the point I was making.That I was SAD about it.
But I also don’t think you should have the right to own ANY weapon you deem necessary.
So Mary, what kind of guns do you think I should have a right to own?
I’m not Mary.
I don’t think automatics are necessary and I think there are ammos that should be banned too.
Automatics? Civilians can’t legally buy em.
What guns and what ammo would you ban?
Oh, and how would such a law be Enforced?
13 people are killed by refrigerators every year.
Ban refrigerators…
Newton County MO Crime Rate Decreasing Since 2002.
Violent Crime Rate/Crimes Per 100,000:
2002 —- 12052003 —- 4652004 —- 2832005 —- 269
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/Local/RunCrimeTrendsInOneVar.cfm
Pmom, your town isn’t so bad afterall. This one crime is not representative of the past, and likely will not be of the future.
This one crime is not representative of the past, and likely will not be of the future.
Posted by: Max
And her crazy idea to ban automatic weapons and “ammo”, would have done nothing to prevent it.
You seem to have left out the first number in your little sequence there.
Year Months reporting Populationcoverage Number of offenses reported
——————————————————————————–Violent crime
——————————————————————————–Violent crime total Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter Forcible rape Robbery Aggravated assault
——————————————————————————–1985 1 30,759 4 0 0 0 4
2001 11 37,289 314 2 1 5 306
2002 12 32,441 391 0 4 2 385
2003 12 32,495 151 0 4 4 143
2004 12 33,211 94 1 5 2 86
2005 12 33,513 90 0 10 1 79
Notice the jump between the 80’s and today? Those were violent crimes reported in the county. 4 in 1984
Sorta hard to read Pmom, can’t comment one way or the other.
I had posted earlier Violent crime rates PER 100,000 in population.
No, I didn’t list the Total Population, but did list the Rate per 100,000.
Also I did not list each violent crime individually, but listed the rate for all violent crimes to include assault, armed robbery, rape, and murder.
(Sorta hard to post complex stats here)
The story I got from my dad was that the gunman was accused of having sex with a 14 year old by the ones who were the victims.
So…this was this guy’s way of PROVING he didn’t do it?