Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison suspected there would be problems with trying to test the constitutionality of the funeral picketing law by requiring him to file a lawsuit up front — a suspicion confirmed by the Kansas Supreme Court’s perplexed reaction to the lawsuit last month. “But the Legislature was adamant about trying to insulate the state from possible attorneys’ fees” should the Fred Phelps clan successfully challenge the law in court, Morrison told The Eagle editorial board this week.
Morrison is skeptical of such legislative triggers of attorney general action generally, mentioning lawmakers’ failed attempt to force his hand on the Tiller abortion case. “We think it’s a violation of the separation of powers, and that might very well be one of the things that the Supreme Court will look at.”
Even so, once the trigger question plays out, he thinks Kansas’ funeral law will hold up, like those in other states. The requirement that protesters stay 150 feet away from funerals “really isn’t very far back, as those laws go. We feel pretty comfortable that’ll stand.”
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Morrison if you are truly worried about the separation of powers then why are you filing a lawsuit on the gambling issue at the request of the Governor?
She is one of the separate branches of government.
Freedom of Religion and Freedom from Hatred is Constitutional Law. Federal. As a State we Bow or Annote to Federal Law. If the State takes over our Constitutional Laws we have lost our Democracy. Our loss of United Democracy within the United States of America. The United Legislature of Kansas “SUCKS”. It is Racketeering in nature. Insist upon a RICOH ACT AUDIT by Congress. U.S. Senator/Presidental Candidate Gravel needs people to contact his staff to give Congress the bite to act. Please contact his staff, as we dont have a United States Rep in the Country of Kansas. Herbert West III HLWIII west.herb@yahoo.com , http://www.wen2k.com
It’s like talking to a bunch of drunks, when we state the obvious to the hate-intoxicated people of this state. You’ve become so blinded with rage at a little bit of truth being preached at your love-fests, death-worship sessions, and patriotic pep rallies, that you can no longer even think straight.
When we’ve been standing much farther than 150 feet from funerals on public rights of way — since the beginning of this street ministry — what possible difference is this miserable law going to make?
I’ll help you drunkards on this one … NONE!
You’ve been duped! You’ve been conned! You’ve been fooled into believing the oath-despising clowns in your legislature — lead by a moron from the South named Schmidt — into imagining that the likely tens of thousands of your tax dollars spent on passing and now pretending to legitimize this folly will actually accomplish something.
It’s just as comical as watching a drunk stumbling around for footing and vomiting frequently. Pitiful … but a little comical.
As we’ve reminded you from the start: If you want the horror of God’s judgments to stop pummeling you — and His prophets to stop telling you about it — then stop disobeying God’s clear commandments about your filthy sins of idolatry, adultery, fornication and sodomy (with all the lesser crimes against His laws included).
That will fix the problem … nothing else!
hee hee hee hee hee heeeeeeee.
Hehehehehe.HAHAHAHAHAH. HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE. hehehehehehe.HAHAHAHAH.
::Choke, gasp, breathe, swallow, wipe eyes::
Ahhhh heheheheheheh. hee hee hee hee.heheheheheheheh..
Damn that was a GOOD laugh to start the day.
heheheheheehe…..
…hahahahahahahahaahahehehehheh!
Still laughing. I can only quote John Prine in response.
“Now Jesus dont like killin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your flag decal wont get you, into heaven… any…. more……”
Although I might paraphrase the Prinester by saying:
“Now Jesus dont like hatin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your cross decal wont get you, into heaven… any… more…”
Or another Prine song?
“Pretty good, not bad, I cant complain, but actually, all them gods are just about the same!”
Hey, at least the story of PRINE’s life isnt fiction….
It was a little funny until I found out what “those people” do for entertainment.
They watch people they think are drunk. “It’s just as comical as watching a drunk stumbling around for footing and vomiting frequently.” What a boring life.But then you, KFG, posted (a quote) “Now Jesus dont like killin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your flag decal wont get you, into heaven… any…. more……” I understand your disagree with the Bible but that does not justify posting something you know nothing about.
Hud,
I’m speaking only for myself here, not for Farmgrrl, but I think you confuse “disagreement with the Bible” with loathing for God’s ultra-radical fan club.
Did I touch a nerve there Hud?
Heheheheheheheh. I see the “all god all the time” blog is still patroled by jesus’ little cyber soldiers.
Converted anyone lately?
hehehehehehheeheheheehe……
HEEEEEE TOM!
I notice any post from me brings ‘em out of the woodwork.
And yet, when I am NOT posting? heheheheheh. They say exactly the same thing to others.
I think they just have this stuff on a loop, on tape. Wash, rinse, repeat.
And I’m still wondering, have you converted anyone yet who reads here?
They’re not here for conversions. The ultra-rads couldn’t convert _rice._ They’re here because it feeds their sense of self-righteousness. Every time they lecture someone they think doesn’t believe the “correct” way, it makes them all moist and morally superior.
Oh good grief. I almost want to feel sorry for those people to be so brainwashed- if I hadn’t seen firsthand how very vile they are.
People who lost a loved one have the right to grieve during their funerals IN PEACE. That goes for anyone.
So how comical that they claim everyone else is so hateful to them. You get what you give. The Phelps Klan are the trainwreck of one delusional, allegedy abusive man who terrorizes the nation and his own family. Psychologists should study this phenomenon. Stockholm Syndrome?
Converted anyone? Have you?
Merely pointing out that it is sometimes better to look like a fool than to open your mouth and prove you are one.
It is a pity thay your only defense is name calling when someone has a opinion different than yours.
Let me guess, HUD claims to have the truth like the Phelps Klan claims to know the truth?
Interesting.
What truths do I have? I do not remember posting anything. Could that be you “Ass u me”?
I do sometimes recognize that people, some more than others, post things that are not true. Or maybe it is just that they do not know the subject.
” I understand your disagree with the Bible but that does not justify posting something you know nothing about.”
Did you not write that? You’re making the claim that she isn’t being truthful…is her quote wrong or something? What exactly is she wrong about?
“Now Jesus dont like killin’ no matter what the reason’s for, and your flag decal wont get you, into heaven… any…. more……”
Hud, do you disagree with that? If so, please tell us specifically what you disagree with.
heheheh.
So this:
“Converted anyone lately?”
Is more hateful than this?
“I understand your disagree with the Bible but that does not justify posting something you know nothing about”
Hehehehehehehe.HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEEE!!
I also love it when the god squad thinks athiest know nothing of christianity or the bible.
Uh, not true. Perhaps some of us know plenty. Enough for us to know that we dont want any part of your hypocrisy.
Perhaps it is YOU, sir, who are knowledge challenged? But then, who needs knowledge when you’ve got superstition….
oh YEAH!!!!!!!!I like this beat to death topic SO MUCH BETTER than gay marriage…
” some more than others, post things that are not true.”
Yes, hud, indeed. PLEASE point out what I posted that wasnt true.
And I still wonder, have you converted anyone with all that “love” lately?
Specifically? Hard to do on a keyboard.
First separate yourself from whatever you belief or don’t belief. It makes no different what you belief.
If killing, or not killing, is a requirement to get into heaven and the Bible is the rule book, why almost from page 1 to the last page is someone getting killed? If the Bible in fact says killing closes the door to heaven, then there might be a problem.
Considering that the Bible ends with the largest blood bath that will ever happen, and guess who is leading the charge, there must be more to this killing thing.
In other words, if the rule is “do not kill” and the rule book says this how you do it, something is wrong. At this point you either throw out the rule book and find out what it really says.
“Merely pointing out that it is sometimes better to look like a fool than to open your mouth and prove you are one.
It is a pity thay your only defense is name calling when someone has a opinion different than yours.”
So hud, please point out what name I called you? I see that YOU called ME a fool, so please, refresh my memory and point out what name I called you?
Or are you just on meme patrol today?
“First separate yourself from whatever you belief or don’t belief. It makes no different what you belief.”
Heheheh. NO SHIT! What you “belief” makes no difference either. YOU must also separate yourself from “whatever you belief or dont belief”.
Your “belief” is no better than mine. Or are you saying it is? Please clarify.
“If killing, or not killing, is a requirement to get into heaven and the Bible is the rule book, why almost from page 1 to the last page is someone getting killed?”
Good question Sherlock. Some of us enquiring minds would ALSO like the answer to that question. I see you are pointing out the internal inconsistancy between the bible and the ten commandments?
ok. I get it. I see it too!
“In other words, if the rule is “do not kill” and the rule book says this how you do it, something is wrong.”
Once again, no shit sherlock. Something IS wrong. SO glad you agree with me!
And… WTF?
“At this point you either throw out the rule book and find out what it really says.”
Mmmmm…kay. Not sure what the “either or” is in that statement, but I second your first motion to “throw out the rule book” since they are YOUR rules, not mine.
WTF? heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh…..
Hud,
From your second paragraph, it seems you belief [sic] the Bible is hypocritical.
The Prine quote pretty much says the same thing.
And… WTF? Are you saying the “rule book” (I’m still HOWLING about that) says that the “how to” IS killing?
No one is saved except those who follow the “rule book” and kill everyone who “beliefs” different from you?
MMMMMMmmmmm….kay…….
Thanks for all the enlightenment hud. You certainly made your case.
::big eye roll::
KFG,
Methinks someone doesn’t “get” satire. ;)
Heheheh. Someone, perhaps, like brownback who’s had their sense of humor removed with a scapel?
I think they accidently nicked the “logic” portion of the brain as well.
I mean, who you gonna “belief” these days? Hud? Or our own lyin’ eyes…
Hypocritical?
That would be the Bible saying killing is wrong and then kill.
I am sorry but that is your stand, right?
Ksfrmgrrl, are you telling the truth? Are you REALLY a grrl? Just curious!hehehehhehe
Phelps and his crowd are hatemongers. Their picketing is one of the most distrubing displays I’ve encountered.
Hud, thank you for your thoughtful attempt at trying to speak the truth in love. But as you see from the responses, it is futile! If you want to post on a regular basis, the struggle comes with finding that balance of civility to such hatred and mockery of anything Christian Right. Alsom we are ALL broad brushed with the likes of Phelps, the Klan, Nazi Hilter Policies, and last but not least, the Taliban Terrorists! And heaven(oops there I go) forbid you try to present your postion and the right to post that opinion.
Considering that the Bible ends with the largest blood bath that will ever happen, and guess who is leading the charge, there must be more to this killing thing.
Posted by: Hud | August 17, 2007 at 09:03 AM
Hypocritical?
That would be the Bible saying killing is wrong and then kill.
I am sorry but that is your stand, right?
Posted by: Hud | August 17, 2007 at 09:24 AMMy stand????
HUD – She doesn’t “belief” in the bible or church
kansasneedschange, Mr. Morrison, as part of the Executive Branch of state government, is in the same branch as the Governor.
not impressed,
You have the same problem with “their” and “they’re” that Kansas has.
I’m not impressed.
Attempts to label someone based on common grammatical errors are symptoms of troll behavior.
Please refrain yourself immediately.
By the way, not impressed, I don’t hate the Christian Right. Disagree with, yes. Chuckle at, sometimes, yes. Roll my eyes at, yes. Hate, no. Unlike some in the Christian Right, I find hate a total waste of energy.
But there is that comic relief. Thank you for that.
LOLOLOLOL
I didn’t label anyone. I made a comment based on one person’s spelling. Did I say you were stupid? Uneducated? No, just made a oomparison of writing styles. If that’s what you consider labeling, maybe you should invest in a dictionary.
These lawsuits, like the one testing the recent Kansas gambling law, are they “real” suits, that is, filed by parties who have an actual stake in the outcome?
I mean, if the governor needs an opinion as to whether a law is valid, why doesn’t she just cross the street and ask Kay McFarland?
That would be faster and cheaper, and she’d probably get the same answer.
Rox,I am sorry. I worded my response in the worse possible way. I was not addressing your position, I did but that was not my intent.
You think I said, Do not Kill and at the same time, I am saying the Bible shows a lot of killing. (This is what I meant by your stand.)
I know I said there is a lot of killing in the Bible. I do not think I said anything about me believing anything about “Do not kill”, one way or the other.
Pfffft! Do you know what a “grrl” is? I doubt it, but yes indeed, I am both a “girl” and a “grrl”. Contrary to what some here would have you believe, I dont have a mustache or look real butch. Well, except for my wolverine work boots.
I’m just an old “grrl” now. Crone would be more exact. I am enjoying the transition from amazon warrior to wise crone.
NOT!
heheheheheheheh…..
Hud,
Thank you for clarifying.
“You think I said, Do not Kill and at the same time, I am saying the Bible shows a lot of killing.”
Well hud, if you “belief” in the bible, that IS your stand. After all, the ten commandments say WHAT about killing/murder?
And then, you say, the bible is filled with the “how to” get into heaven? And IT is filled with killing, as YOU say?
heheheh. Yep. You had it correct. Something IS wrong here.
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
anon, an attempt to respond to your query in a way that hopefully makes sense.
These types of suits are really a request for an “advisory opinion”. Courts in the U.S., in the absence of some state constitutional or statutory provision, don’t issue advisory opinions. Federal courts never issue advisory opinions.
Under the teaching of Marbury v. Madison, there must be a real “case or controversy” for there to be an issue for the Courts to determine. To get around this, the Kansas legislature directed a case to be filed so the Kansas Supreme Court would (hopefully) hear it and issue its opinion prior to the law going into effect. The goal there was to avoid the potential of litigation against the State, which would result in the potential assessment of attorneys’ fees and damages against the state if the law was held unconstitutional. The court has signaled its reluctance to so do in the matter of the funeral picketing law, rightfully in my opinion.
While the state most definitely has an interest in the outcome, at present there is no “real party in interest” on the other side. The suit attempts to get around this by the legislature being named as a party, as I understand it. This is an artifice, as the Plaintiff here (the State? the Governor?) has nothing at stake, so to speak, in the suit.
Traditionally, when a Governor wants an opinion on a piece of legislation, s/he turns to the office of the Attorney General for the same. These AG opinions do not have the force of law or any precedential effect, as to the constitutionality of a law, while a Kansas Supreme Court decision does. Thus, the legislative attempt to force a decision.
Hope this is somewhat clear. Not my best writing for sure.
Rox, thunk ya fer the spell cheek. I’ma not the beast at grammar eiffer. Typo errors! But thanks for the spell check! Chalk another one up for the self righteous left!!!
ksfarmgrrl, take a breath! Your tirades about the Christian right; the ones posted today in particular get tiresome! Find something else to rant and rant and rant about! Surely someone, cause or other issue in the universe displeases you as well!
Ok, which is it, is Christianity about loving neighbors, and turning cheeks, and Jesus and this wonderful fair and just God, or is it about the gore expressed in the bible. Because I’m really tired of some Christians claiming that liberals are the culture of death when right here you’re practically advocating killing as biblical (which is kindof true).
See we DO know what we’re talking about….and you expressed nicely the hypocricy of the whole theory of Christianity…which is also why so many of us who once practiced Christianity have now turned on it.
Now let me ask you a question. If you’re a Christian, that means that you accept the word of JESUS in the new testament & covenant as the word of God himself (since most Christians believe God & Jesus are one in the same, in some weird, convoluted, unbiblical way). So GOD comes to earth, and preaches something totally opposite of himself (or so say the ones who claim they’ve spoken to him). How do you, personally, rectify the two meldings- when the message is so incredibly different?
Basically God is like George Bush’s administration. They don’t care how evil, destructive, downright horrible human beings you can be…as long as you keep your loyalty, you’re in. And that Buddhist monk who won’t even harm a fly- he’s going to be tortured for all eternity?
That is one big reason why I don’t believe in Christianity. If Christ were truly the son of a loving God, there wouldn’t be 500 different versions of beliefs and so much confusion on what is legitimate. My daughter said it best the other day “I don’t understand those who think we’re all God’s video game”
“ksfarmgrrl, take a breath! Your tirades about the Christian right; the ones posted today in particular get tiresome!”
Screw you.
I havent even posted here for a week. And.. I notice that when I am not here, you say the SAME things to people who question or disagree with you.
Gee, isnt that YOUR meme? That I cant tolerate disagreement? Still waiting to see where I called names, like the so called christian did here.
Or do you want to judge and tell me THAT person is not a “real christian”? Perhaps THEY dont “know” what they are talking about?
Just like you?
NOTHING is more tiring than your constant “you dont tolerate disagreement”. Unless it is the “poor persecuted chrisitans”.
Like I said, screw you AND the memes you rode in on.
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
not impressed,
Do you know what one of the major gripes of employers is? That people have good ideas, but they can’t communicate them, thanks to bad grammar and spelling.
If you’re smart enough to know there’s a difference between “their” and “they’re”, is your problem laziness? Even 4th graders know how to tell the difference.
Looks like Nathan’s prediction was correct about this blog. :)
The next time those on the left proclaim there is no Christian bashing, all he has to do is point to this thread.
Oh, and not impressed?
How many folks have YOU converted lately?
(crickets chirping)
I guess the memes dont work on the unwashed masses.
The gay bashing threads would fill a book. Care to compare?
Naaaah. Let’s move from all god all the time to all abortion all the time to all guns all the time to all bushisanass time.
Makes talking about gay marriage kinda look good again, no?
hee hee hee
I just LOVE the hypocrisy of
disagree with christians = bashing christians
And all the while shouting the meme that we have no tolerance for anything disagreeing with OUR viewpoint?
jesus WEPT!
Do you even KNOW the meaning of hypocrisy?
I know the meaning of sanity which some appear to be lacking.
Gosh, who’s trying to run off whom on this blog. Looks like the tighty righties to me. Ya know, anyone who disagees with them
(pick one)
1. has a nose that runs2. has feet that stink3. And they dont love Jesus.
Damn, that would make a good country song…
I’m leaving to go to work troll. Unlike you, I dont spend my days cashing my welfare checks.
You’ll have to troll someone else and find your food elsewhere. No scraps here.
::Nails up “dont feed troll” signs::
Thank you, VT, if you can see this message in the midst of all the others.
Vaughn Tolle – where does it say that the attorney general is part of the executive branch? He is elected not appointed.
kansasneedschange: See Article 1, Section 1, Constitution of the State of Kansas, wherein it states “The constitutional officers of the executive department shall be the governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, and attorney general, who shall have such qualifications as are provided by law. * * *” (omission of subsequent material in section 1 mine).
jesus WEPT!
Do you even KNOW the meaning of hypocrisy?
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves recompense of their error which was met.
Do YOU farmgirl?
Vaughn Tolle – Thanks for the information. I did look at it. I noticed that it does not say that the Governor can direct the elected offices to do specific things. The Governors office can make a request just like the legislative branch can but I do not see where she can order them to do things.
I appreciate you willingness to provide information.
http://www.lastfreevoice.com/2007/07/26/scary-shit/
I hope that everyone here will look at this…and see just why some of these Christians make me ill.
I feel the key point is, why are they only Picketing Christian Funerals?? We are a country/World of many Religions. Why do they or anyone choose to Picket the end instead of backup their beliefs in process?? {icket the Military Offices, Picket the Department of Defense, Picket the Government, Picket GOD. How do we Picket GOD? For those who feel they have the desire to speak on the dimise of another at their time of passing for atonment remember it is GODs rath not the rath of man we face. If we try to be Honored as a “GOD before Thee”, we have removed our justification thru “Blasfimy”. GOD has the final say so, not man. If not GOD, a higher power than Thee as a mortal. This is universal. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com , Baptist.