A draft of the Government Accountability Office’s report on Iraq shows near complete failure in meeting the progress benchmarks set by Congress, the Washington Post reported. The GAO determined that Iraq failed to meet all but three of the 18 benchmarks. It also disagreed with the White House on how much military progress the surge has made. While there have been fewer attacks against U.S. forces, "the average number of daily attacks against civilians remained about the same over the last six months," the report stated. The GAO also said that the drop in military readiness by Iraqi security forces was more severe than the White House has indicated, stating that the number of Iraqi army units capable of operating independently declined from 10 in March to six last month, the Post reported.
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Is anyone surprised? But don’t worry, Bush will claim they are making “progress”
Oh yeah, and “stay the course”
We didn’t vote in democrats to measure “benchmarks” from the Neocon/Zionists bastards who got us into this killing spree, which is nothing more than whole murder to satisfy Israel-Zionists Greed.
“Benchmarks,” like “terrorism” are nothing more than yet another distraction from stopping this deadly nonsense and bringing our troops home.
We didn’t vote in democrats to measure “benchmarks” from the Neocon/Zionists bastards who got us into this killing spree, which is nothing more than wholesale murder to satisfy Israel-Zionist’s Greed.
“Benchmarks,” like “terrorism” are nothing more than yet another distraction from stopping this deadly nonsense and bringing our troops home.
THANK YOU EDITORS!!
That post managed NOT to contain the W word. I don’t know about anyone else, but I think we insult our troops and our nation by continuing to talk about winning or losing “the war”.
The “war” as such was over in about three weeks. What we are losing and will continue to lose is the occupation. Our very efforts to establish a government are institutionalizing into that government the very deep fractures among the various peoples of Iraq. This will only get worse. We should be working WITH Iran and other nations in the region to determine Iraq’s future. They are NOT going to do it on their own or with our “help”.
JR,
We should work with Iran?
How has that been going for the past several years in reagards to their development of nuclear weapons?
How about their being the ones supplying bombs and training to the terrorists and insurgents?
How about Iran doing what they can to undermine our efforts in Iraq…..
We should work with them????
Perhaps Iran should stop working against us and things wouldn’t be so bad!
Hey, J R. What is the story on the computer. Been missing you, man.
We should have worked with the Soviet Union to airlift supplies into Berlin when… OH WAIT… it was the Soviets who were blockaiding Berlin…
Nathan be fair.
We certainly have not tried to work in any positive way with Iran in the past! We only rearranged their government, turned a democracy into a dictatorship, oh and their was that part about aiding Saddams war against them.
They’ve every reason to be wary of us. Too, their interest in what happens in Iraq is no less valid than our own. Why not TRY a carrot instead of a stick?
Hi Steven. Alas, no computer yet. I AM learning alot about them. I am even considering building my own. That or finally learning enough to make a good choice of one. For now, I post only when I’m helping out at my folks house.
The US HAS been working with Iran. The freakin Iraqi president is Iran’s man. As is Sadr, who by the way seems to own a little less than half of the security forces in Iraq.
How about we let all of them duke it out – sans US support.
As bloody awful as it would be, them duking it out or in some way working it out is the best solution. But we’ve always worked counter to that. Let’s you and him fight is the history of our foreign policy in that region.
Look, Iraq knows that we are going to leave. Then their junk is in the breeze. The Saudis do little more than terror bomb. Iran is the big boy on the block. Iran will settle Iraq after the proxy war with Saudi is over. Al-qaeda will be driven from Iraq by the Iraqis. The only loser in this whole mess are the US soldiers.
I give Nathan the credit that he has been there….twice. SO he’s earned an opinion on this. I just wish he’d have learned a better one.
Nathan you yourself honestly said you saw us needing to be in Iraq for at least 10 years. Now you KNOW the American people never knowingly (well except maybe for you and your dad and a few others) ever signed on for that. Wake up! We are going to have to do SOMETHING other than what we are. In the spring, the military is going to start to break under the strain of this commitment. Too, protracted conflicts in distant lands does no good for recruiting. There is China and other threats to consider. It is insane to continue to damage our military this way.
“Iraq flunking its benchmarks”
I think the article is wrong. Notice it says “…its benchmarks”.
Everyone is talking about benchmarks the we, the U.S., have set, not the ones set by the Iraqis.
Their benchmarks have something to do with money. U.S. Money. And American lifes.
Winston Churchill noted: “It’s always better to ‘jaw jaw’ than ‘war war.’”
(He said it with Winston Chruchill’s accent, so it rhymed.)
JFK noted: “We must never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate.”
Poor “Nathan” is so afraid of Iranian demons, real and imagined, he’s ready to fling nuclear war willy-nilly at anyone who makes his cheeks squirt.
The US Congress has not achieved its Benchmarks for the year either.
Oh wait, I’m sorry, the United States Congress didn’t set any specific Benchmarks for itself.
From Real Clear Politics:
President Bush Job ApprovalRCP Average:Approve – 32.6%Disapprove – 61.5%
Congressional Job ApprovalRCP Average:Approve – 22.2%Disapprove – 67.7%
Since half of the 67% who are dissatisfied with Congress number among those of us who believe Shrub and Cheney should be impeached and shackled off to The Hague for their War Crimes trials your little cut-and-paste, Max, is counter-productive.
Huh?
Oh yeah, criticizing the Liberal Socialist Democrat Congress for doing nothing this year is counter productive to LIBERALS.
Holding the US Congress to higher standards then we hold the Iraqi Congress is wrong.
Our Democrat Socialist Congress is hypocritical in expecting more from the Iraqi Congress then it does from itself.
Congress gonna come back from vacation to finish up some budgets that are do for approval?
People need to read the history of our own independence and get an idea of how many failures the colonies had in becoming the nation before and after the Revolutionary War.
There was a larger percentage of people nationally that died and were injured in that revolutionary war than that in Iraq.
But its okay, the Iraqis are those Arab people and according to the Democrats they are not white enough to qualify as humans and don’t deserve our help.
You know the Democrats who give honest figures like 600,000 civilians deaths. Of course you can go to the Washington Post and find out between 70,000 – 77,000 have died.
But by God, the Democrats were right! They have their scientific survey that was done! It can’t be disputed regardless of what the actual figures are!
Then there is that plan the Democratic Party has for Iraq, slamming the Iraq commitment into full reverse and drive backwards at high speed all the way home.
Nice plan, the Democrats don’t need to be saving those brown-skinned people, they can’t vote in the U.S. to support Democratic candidates for office.
Of course there are brown-skinned people in the U.S. that the Democrats like. They are the ones they can count for purposes of boosting their population for purposes of securing more House of Representative seats. You know, take away Kansas’s count by 1-3 seats, give them to California.
Still waiting on that Democratic party plan for Iraq. They have the white flag and the plate of cheese ready though. They are prepared with their “Give Up Now” chant all across the pink t-shirts and dresses.
You can almost hear them chant.
“GIVE UP NOW!”
“GIVE UP NOW!”
“GIVE UP NOW!”
They’re white enough, just not bright enough. Or, maybe they are bright, but democracy just doesn’t fit in with their religion or culture. Something we should have considered before rushing headlong over the clif with Bush and Gang.
Max, I have a feeling if we were immersed in a civil war at home, congress would not be takng off, wouldn’t care to speculate on where you might have to look to find bush or cheney, however.
If you research the congressional ratings you will find the obstructionist repubs. ranking below democrats. The idiots shot themselve in the foot trying to make the majority look bad!
Wow Phantom, that’s saying a lot!
Your party sucks less then the other party sucks!
So you’re saying The Phantom that Iraqis don’t have the intellect to govern themselves under a Democracy.
More likely lacking the desire, their society never went through the enlightment era, and they do not have the historical background of giving equal consideration to the individual, and chose to remain in a tribal state, so I don’t believe they have a true foundation on which to build a democracy, and you’ll not install one by force.
I can tell The Phantom, you’ve never been to the Middle East.
Kansas,
I have. And I agree with the Phantom on this.
Bush’s policies get most of its support from people who have never been to the middle east.
Phantom….you are correct. Sadly, the repukes thought that they would just love the idea of America coming in and saving them. They didn’t want to be saved. They wanted the fear associated with Saddam gone. They didn’t ask for no running water, no electricity, and complete chaos. But thats what we delivered. Thanks Bush!
JR,I can’t ever get hold of you. When I phone you, nobody answers. My offer of a computer is still good.
We’ve found the Iraqi WMD!Dangerous Iraq chemicals found stored at U.N. By Evelyn Leopold2 hours, 6 minutes ago
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – The United Nations found potentially lethal vials of a chemical warfare agent, removed from Iraq a decade ago, in offices near its New York headquarters but officials said on Thursday there was no danger.
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The FBI and New York police were called in to remove the substances and were on the site, across the street from U.N. headquarters on Thursday.
The materials included phosgene, an older generation chemical warfare agent, which could have been lethal if it had evaporated, the officials said.
Phosgene was used extensively during World War I as a choking agent, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.
The vials in a small sealed metal container were discovered last Friday but only on Wednesday did the inspectors find a list of what the items were as they were cleaning out 125 filing cabinets. The chemicals are being taken to the U.S. Army laboratory in Edgewood, Maryland, the inspectors said.
The materials were taken in 1996 by inspectors from a former Iraqi chemical weapons plant at Al Muthanna, Marie Okabe, a U.N. spokeswoman said.
Okabe, who announced the news at her regular U.N. briefing. said Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had been informed and “there will be an investigation although I can’t tell you right now who will be in charge of that.”
The inspectors, who have ended their operation in Iraq, were cleaning out their offices.
They discovered two small plastic packages with metal and glass containers, ranging in size from small vials to tubes the length of a pen with liquid substances, the inspectors’ spokesman, Ewen Buchanan, said.
‘NO IMMEDIATE RISK’
Experts sealed the packages and then isolated them in a secured room. They also tested the area “and found no concentration of toxic vapors in the air,” Buchanan said.
The experts, from the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Unit, known as UNMOVIC, believe “the packages are properly secured and pose no immediate risk or danger to the immediate public,” Buchanan said.
But Svetlana Utkina, a Russian expert with UNMOVIC, said that if the container, the size of a Coca-Cola can, had evaporated it could have been lethal and “a couple of people will be dead.”
The inspectors were sifting through 125 five-drawer cabinets, containing 16 years of inspection reports, much of it sensitive material, said Brian Mullady, an UNMOVIC expert.
“And we have artifacts in Baghdad still, these are the actual remnants of the weapons” including pieces of a Scud missile that was taken a decade ago by the U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM), which dismantled Iraq’s weapons of destruction, he said.
UNSCOM was replaced in 1997 by UNMOVIC, which was not allowed back into Iraq until late 2002 and then told to withdraw shortly before the U.S.-led invasion.
In Washington, White House spokesman Tony Snow said, “I’m sure that there are going to be a lot of red-faced people over at the U.N. trying to just figure out how they got there.”
Mullady agreed. “It should never have been here in the first place, so we’d like it to be that way when the FBI takes it away,” he said.
“We made a determination based on what it was … that it was safe for us to come back to work, so we’re working in the premises,” he said.
“We feel perfectly safe,” he said.
Whopee, you’ve been to secular turkey, which by the way has just elected an Islamic president.
So every American needs to go to the middle east before they can have a valid opinion.
Sure, let’s go. I’d like to meet people who DO NOT want to be free.
I have been to Eastern Europe and talked with people who were enslaved under Communism for 45 years, and by the Nazi’s before that. They ALL wanted freedom. And in 1989, they finally got it!
“JR,”I can’t ever get hold of you. When I phone you, nobody answers. My offer of a computer is still good.
“Posted by: XXX | August 30, 2007 at 03:59 PM”
Mine, too, but it wouldn’t be as good as what the X-man could come up with.
Shiite Iraqis would love democracy based on majority rule, which I believe they thought was the payoff for purple fingers. They want to be free to have their own form of govt., which incidentally for most of them is outlined in their Quoran.
More likely lacking the desire, their society never went through the enlightment era, and they do not have the historical background of giving equal consideration to the individual, and chose to remain in a tribal state, so I don’t believe they have a true foundation on which to build a democracy, and you’ll not install one by force.
Phantom, You hit that one on the head. We can’t impose a democracy like a franchise, if the country is still operating at the level of an outdated society. Thats one of the big problems with all the major Islam countries, is that for centuries they have taken an isolationist standpoint, and disregarded the western societies that soon evolved past their ways. It basically stems from the people who take Islam way to serious, especially about the part of the Koran that promotes killing any people that do not accept Allah. Plus different sects of Islamic religions refuse to co-exist, such as Iraq has shown us. I think the only way for them to evolve, is sadly what is going on now, we have implemented a War that forces Iraq, in the heart of Islam to look at their selves and decide what they want. A lot of people in Iraq just want to work and live, most are uneducated and think America is evil, but most don’t want war. The ones stirring up all the trouble are hopefully the extremist that eventually kill each other off and cleanse their society. Its sad to look at it that way, but if those we’re some of the intentions of our country going to War, then no one, including the American people would accept that. This whole picture, might be bigger, than what we’re looking at, I still think we might have gone to Iraq, in not the smartest way.
Extremist cleansing I guess you could call it.
I don’t think those are the sold intentions of the Iraq War, I do think the neo-cons have other self serving reasons for starting this War, which someone stated is over, this is just the long drawn out occupation part. I think what the neo-cons had in mind, which they know would take decades to achieve, is try to bring Iraq, and other primitive societies up to speed, so big business can get in on the money game, of producing a new generation of consumers in Iraq, to buy the crap they have to sell in the future. It takes money to make money, in this case, the American taxpayers money, to over haul a country, and put them down the path of a consumer society.
Which I’m all for capitalism, just not this extreme consumer capitalism. These large behemoth conglomerated merger businesses, their biggest assets are the consumer, the people. They rely on people to buy all the crap they sell. The consumers are the Tools, we are the people they want to go out during December and spend thousands of dollars on gifts, which is killing the real meaning of Christmas. If they had it their way, people would be mindless robots that just spend their hard earned paychecks, and rack up their credit card bills on buying their crap to make them rich. I like computers, and the internet, and things of that sort, but the technology industry, can make the ultimate phones, almost like Japan is doing, but the people in America make the phones obsolete, control the market, then make a new neater version next year, to keep people on the path of buying a new phone every year. More profits, thats what I think is sick about our society. Is technology suppression, and complete market control. Who wants a cell phone that can last ten years, can withstand being dropped on the ground 100 times, and has all the technology infused together in it. Well, not the people making the phones, that would mean less profits. Same with environmental solutions.
Me three! Call one of us JR!
I know I would help out too JR. I bet my father would too.
So enlighten us Max. What is the difference between Eastern Europe in 1989 and Iraq today?
The Congress of the United States has absolutley NO damn business setting “benchmarks” for Iraq. Iraq is a sovereign country with its own government which was elected by its people. Nobody in this country has any right to tell them how to govern their country. And, from whay I have heard, some of the benchmarks involve the outright theft of Iraq’s oil by international oil corporations., which they are right to reject.
“”"They rely on people to buy all the crap they sell. The consumers are the Tools, we are the people they want to go out during December and spend thousands of dollars on gifts, which is killing the real meaning of Christmas.”"”
Did it ever have any real meanning? Gotta admire the Jehovas Witnesses on the holiday thing. They got it right. Holiday?? what holiday???
“And, from whay I have heard, some of the benchmarks involve the outright theft of Iraq’s oil by international oil corporations., which they are right to reject.”Posted by: Kev
The only benchmark I can find that concerns oil does not say anything about “international oil corporations”.
Enacting and implementing legislation to ensure the equitable distribution of hydrocarbon resources of the people of Iraq without regard to the sect or ethnicity of recipients, and enacting and implementing legislation to ensure that the energy resources of Iraq benefit Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs, Kurds, and other Iraqi citizens in an equitable manner.
The French, Chinese and Russians were involved post Gulf War I with the oil for food scams by allowing excesses to be transferred to “interesting” accounts.
I’m sure there are some old oil ties that still exist amongst the Iraqi insiders and the three previously mentioned countries.
“I know I would help out too JR. I bet my father would too.”
Posted by: Nathan | August 30, 2007 at 04:59 PM
And we also have a bridge to sell you.
Yeah, right.
I offered to build J R a computer at one time, but he didn’t want to take the offer. :) Too much pride standing in the way I suppose. I could have dropped it off and some undisclosed location only known to him. lol!
Both Hank and Nathan appear to be generous and helpful folks WSClark.
Doesn’t surprise me at all about the offer.
Without a doubt, Nathan, you and your father are the most hateful, judgmental people that I have ever come across. Your hatred for anyone that doesn’t conform to your Religious beliefs and faux patriotism is beyond any understanding.
You disgust me, as does your father.
Your self-righteous attitudes defy comprehension. Both of you are hypocrites that do not deserve respect.
XXX appears to be their friend WSClark.
Perhaps XXX is more of a man than you are WSClark and he knows what goes on in Blog is merely talk. XXX probably knows that real life isn’t the same as a blog and therefore can set aside his differences to enjoy it to the fullest.
Ben and I are probably polar opposites on what our ideologies are. However, I think Ben would be a fun guy to hang around with and interesting as he is involved in the community in all sorts of things.
I even think I would view KFG would be interesting to know offline. Anyone that works as hard as she does with her farm and a restaurant has to be a solid individual. She would probably tell me how the cow ate the cabbage in real life, but hey – wouldn’t be the first time a woman did that to me. :)
“The only benchmark I can find that concerns oil does not say anything about “international oil corporations”. ”
Posted by Hud.
The problem is the production sharing agreements.
‘Bush’s Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq’s Oil’http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/
part twohttp://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43077/
WS Clark,
For as much as JR and I disagree on this blog, last time I ran into him at the dog show we were both very polite and made small talk.
I may not agree with some people around here, but that hardly makes me some monster.
I have told you several times now that I am willing to come to terms with you and have asked you what will it take?
You seem more interested in doing little more than trying to call me every name in the book whenever you get the chance.
Oh well I guess.
“have asked you what will it take?”
Why on Earth would I ever, ever take the time to meet with the likes of you and your judgmental attitudes, Nathan?
Your hatred for anything and everything reasonable clearly defines your attitudes for anyone and everyone that disagrees with you.
Why waste my precious time?
What will it take?
You being a decent, respectful human being.
And that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.
“I know I would help out too JR. I bet my father would too.”Posted by: Nathan | August 30, 2007 at 04:59 PMAnd we also have a bridge to sell you.
Yeah, right.Posted by: WSClark | August 30, 2007 at 06:58 PM
XXX appears to be their friend WSClark.
Perhaps XXX is more of a man than you are WSClark and he knows what goes on in Blog is merely talk. XXX probably knows that real life isn’t the same as a blog and therefore can set aside his differences to enjoy it to the fullest.Posted by: Kansas | August 30, 2007 at 07:22 PM
Ok, let’s get something straight here. There’s the blog, and there’s real life. On the blog, Nathan and Hank have chewed me up several times. I’ve given them the same treatment on occasion. That’s the blog. That’s politics.
So let’s talk real life. There’s more to a person than their politics. I know Hank and Nathan personally, and I’ve been a guest in Hank’s house. I’ll personally vouch for both of them and I’m proud to call them friends. I can’t think of any two men I’d rather have at my back when the chips are down.
WS Clark, Hank has already discussed helping with a computer for JR. And if Nathan says he’s willing to help, You can take that to the bank!
The Price boys may not agree with us politically. That does not make them bad people. Personally, I find them both fit to ride the river with.
Kansas,I’ll give you credit for a very astute observation.
Whatever…………
I would rather die than meet either one of the Prices, under any circumstance.
After the the insulting and demeaning rhetoric from each of the Prices, why would I lower myself to that level.
By the way, XXX, I also offered to help build a computer for J R.
J R turned down my offer.
So WTF?
Thanks for head nod XXX.
I learned that from my Dad who I thought was the meanest man in the world until we played a father/son baseball game (little league.)
Then I saw how good an athlete he was and how much fun he was having with us kids. My outlook on life and him changed immediately.
At the university, I had some Professors who I thought were really arrogant. It wasn’t until some college social functions that I had a chance to talk to them personally. I viewed them as humans with a professional outlook on life after that.
In the military, it was the same deal. Some fire-breathing full Bulls would leap all over you for the littlest thing and talk at you like you just murdered someone. After I gained a couple of ranks and had subordinates myself, I understood more what they were doing. I never could get the fire-breathing down right, but did my best to make the troops pay attention what I had to say. :)
Sorry, more information than you wanted to know most likely. I like to relate the human side of myself every once in a while.
I know just about everyone here on the blog, I probably could not guess who they were in real life if I met them because most people are different when they are in their own zone.
On the blog, the gloves are off and it gets bloody sometimes. But after the day is over, we can go home like it never happened, because it didn’t really, just in our minds and here on the electronic screen of pixels. One button and poof, it’s gone.
On the blog, the gloves are off and it gets bloody sometimes. But after the day is over, we can go home like it never happened, because it didn’t really, just in our minds and here on the electronic screen of pixels. One button and poof, it’s gone.
*****
Totally disagree with that, Kansas.
If you’re not writing what is true and what you believe, you’re just playing cynical games with people.
I respect ideas and respect people who have them.
I don’t respect USERS who just want to play games under the self-serving lie that the internet “isn’t real.”
Sorry XXX, but since the Prices have chosen to look down their noses at me, I can’t let bygones be bygones.
That is too bad, but the likes of Republank and his anti-Semitic slurs and accusations of homosexuality directed towards me are a bit too much for civil discourse.
I am sick of Nathan calling me ignorant and his father calling me a coward.
Why play fair with a team that insists on cheap shots?
As I said, whatever.
If you want to be friendly with Kansas, and the Prices, more power to you.
For me, there is a line that they have crossed and there is no turning back.
But I will send dead flowers to their funerals.
XXX,
Thanks for the kind words. I really enjoyed the times we have spent together as well. We may disagree on things, but we are still just average ordinary good people.
We really need to get together again and go shooting some time for sure.
Well, I don’t agree with the Prices on much either, WSC.
But they are decent Americans. People get carried away defending their beliefs on the Blog.
I think you’ve had to take more than you’ve dished out, WSC. But on the other hand, you’ve dished out a lot too.
As have I . . . hehehe.
One of my good friends from WSU is the most liberal non Christian in the world.
He and I would used to yell at each other in Old Chicago after the Senate meetings on everything from Jesus Christ being the only way to abortion.
Guess what?
We still get together to watch the UFC fights when we can and hang out and have fun too.
I have taken care of the guys dog and home while he was out of town.
Believe it or not, talking about politics on this blog hardly defines a person.
Yeah, I have my days where I call people ignorant or taunt someone…
I am hardly some evil person going out of my way to insult people and be overtly rude and obnoxious.
Oh well…
Yeah Capn, that’s true, sometimes I take it to bed with me.
I’ve always viewed the Internet as not being real, but that’s me.
I suppose when I played online games years ago, it taught me about what is real and what is not.
For politics I write what I believe to be my convictions and my ideology. I often get carried away with the sharp stick in the eye thing, but it’s all in the “hunt.”
I find a blog no different than the talk at the domino parlor or a barber shop where discussion can get heated, but they just lift the newspaper up to their face and carry on.
The blog reminds me of the interaction in “Grumpier Old Men.”
Calling each other names and playing dirty tricks, but in the end they did care about each other.
I don’t let my political life guide my real life. It’s the other way around. Those who don’t have a basis in faith, in my own opinion, are at a disadvantage.
That’s the way I was raised and that’s the way I think.
Role-playing is part of the Internet. I saw it all the time when I was a Sysop on Compuserve. The users didn’t know I could look at their data when necessary (when they behaved badly) so I knew who they were.
We had men in their 60’s pretending to be teenage girls. Women pretending to men. Boys pretending to be adults, etc. etc.
There wasn’t a problem until the conversation got out of hand, then I had to step in and separate them. :)
(/soapbox)
WS Clark,
Your comments go way beyond simply insulting or demeaning towards my father and I.
If you want to be taken seriously about being treated badly, perhaps you should try to set a better example of how you treat others.
Yeah, heh.
I used to “MUD.” I used to kill people and steal all their stuff.
Actually, I got killed a lot more often.
Half the “newbies” were old player-killers who wanted your help so they ambush you and steal all your good equipment.
The good old days . . .
“Sorry XXX, but since the Prices have chosen to look down their noses at me, I can’t let bygones be bygones.”
That’s a shame, WSClark. Some people can rise above that sort of thing…some can’t. I’ll point out that you’ve been known to lay it on pretty heavy on occasion. You take this blog (and yourself) too seriously, IMHO.
“I am sick of Nathan calling me ignorant and his father calling me a coward.”
If you’re not an ignorant coward, why let it get to you?Sticks and stones….
“If you want to be friendly with Kansas….”
Nope,It’s just that sometimes some people come up with the wisest things when you least expect it. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
“But I will send dead flowers to their funerals.”
That doesn’t speak well of you. I can assure you that neither of the Prices would do a thing like that. Since they’re both devout Christians, that wouldn’t even occur to them.
I don’t choose or judge my friends according to their politics.
But then, I have some very interesting friends.
“I am hardly some evil person going out of my way to insult people and be overtly rude and obnoxious.”
Yeah, right.
And George W Bush is a uniter, not a divider.
Christ.
Whatever – If you attack me without provocation, I am going to fight back, just as I did when Kansas (under another nic) called me a “Heebie” and question my sexuality.
And when Mr. Price called me a coward because I did not serve in the military.
Etc.
You wanna play nice?
The time has long since passed, boys.
“”But I will send dead flowers to their funerals.”"
A play on a song from Sticky Fingers, by the Rolling Stones…
Dead Flowers.
“Send you dead flowers to your wedding.”
Whatever.
*Rolls eyes*
AND
*Shrugs shoulders*
Nathan, you’re right, we need to get together and shoot up some targets. I don’t know if my shoulder is up to firing either of my cannons, but I’m sure I can handle “normal” weapons.
XXX,
Thanks for the kind words.Posted by: Nathan | August 30, 2007 at 09:38 PM
You can judge your friends by who covers your 6 (back).
WSClark,If you for one minute could see past politics, you might find both Nathan and Hank are people you would want to call friend. I certainly do.
“You can judge your friends by who covers your 6 (back).”
The size of the “cannon” helps:-)
I don’t care what it’s a play on. It was a particularly evil thing to say. Christians that I know would never say a thing like that.
Evening, Walker.
Clark,
My name is not malaigned around here as much as yours and the Capn’s is, but I run you guys a close second or third. It used to seem like that the poster then known as Republikhan couldn’t post some hateful crap without mentioning my name.
Any way, I have met Hank and Nathan. Hank is the kind of guy you can’t help but like even though you know he is wrong on almost all of his political positions. He has a kind of charisma or some undefineable trait where you can’t help but like him – even though you might rather not. Nathan is real quiet and introverted, I’m guessing – engineering students can be like that.
Clark, I’d like to meet you some time, too.
Would sure like to get J R set up with a computer somehow. Not that I have a lot of extra money, buy know that I waste enough that could be better expended for a computer for our friend J R.
LOL
I am jealous of my dads new gun. It is pretty nice.
I have always been an HK guy, but if I was going to get a 1911, that would be it.
I really enjoyed shooting your hand cannon to.
I don’t remember if you had seen it or not, but this is what I got for concealed carry:
http://www.hk-usa.com/p2000sk_general.html
It is just right for my hand, probably a bit small for you, it was for my dad.
That stinks about your shoulder…
We could always just have a cook out and clean guns :)
Oops,just saw this and couldn’t pass it up:
“I would rather die than meet either one of the Prices, under any circumstance.
After the the insulting and demeaning rhetoric from each of the Prices, why would I lower myself to that level.”
WS, I believe there is no lower level than the one your wasting space on.
Steven,A computer for JR isn’t the problem. The problem is getting him hooked up with me. I’ve called him twice tonight and get no answer.
I’ve got enough stuff to build 20 computers.
Evenin’ XXX!
“Christians that I know would never say a thing like that.”
I am not a Christian, but thanks anyway.
And by the way, I am damned glad that I am not Christian.
“you might find both Nathan and Hank are people you would want to call friend.”
Not a chance in Hell, after the comments both have made about me.
Nathan,
Sweet!
XXX,
Computer parts are so cheap now too.
Now that the dual core chips are the mainstream, I could build some awesome computers cheaper than I ever could before.
Especially something for just the internet.
I have some pirated Windows stuff… if it came to that as well :)
“WS, I believe there is no lower level than the one your wasting space on.”
Yeah, thanks JM and all the same to you.
JM Walker, XXX,
I will talk to my dad. He is so busy with sheep herding these days, we should be able to figure something out.
Nathan,You sent me that link when you bought the gun, but it’s still fun to look at, LOL!
Like I said, I can shoot a .45 or a nine. Nothing that says you and Hank can’t shoot the cannon. I still have a box of your dad’s shells.
As for a cook out, YUM! There’s a reason they call me Triple X.
That would be a good excuse for you and your dad to meet Mrs XXX. (She’s not big…just damn good looking).
Ya, know, WS? Hank and Nathan are the kind of people who probably wouldn’t mind calling you friend: if you weren’t such an a**h**e.
Why should we demand that Iraq do what our Congress cannot do? Democrats are too busy trying to find new excuses to investigate the Bush administration and take over executive powers such as the power of commander in chief to deal with the issues Congress should be dealing with such as immigration and health care. The United States should be leading by example instead of demanding that the Iraqis do what our politicians cannot do.
“Yeah, thanks JM and all the same to you.”
Why, thank you, WS; and you have a great night.
Later dudes, it’s crash time.
And all the same to you, J M.
“I am not a Christian, but thanks anyway.
And by the way, I am damned glad that I am not Christian.”Posted by: WSClark | August 30, 2007 at 10:14 PM
That’s a shame, WSClark. I’m sorry to hear that. I’ll pray for your soul.
“Later dudes, it’s crash time.”
Yeah, we know how it is for you “old folks”, LOL!
My soul is doing just fine with my God, XXX, but thanks anyway.
Not everyone is a Christian and some of us believe that other religious or spiritual beliefs have validity also.
But thanks for demeaning my beliefs, XXX.
“But thanks for demeaning my beliefs, XXX”
My, my WSClark, you’re such a sensitive fellow. Please explain how I’ve demeaned your beliefs.
Is that chip on your shoulder very heavy?
Demean
verb
1. To deprive of esteem, self-worth, or effectiveness: abase, degrade, humble, humiliate, mortify. Idioms: bring low, take down a peg. See respect/contempt/standing, win/lose/recovery.2. To lower in character or quality: cheapen, debase, degrade, downgrade. See better/worse.
Why would you need to pray for my soul, XXX?
“That’s a shame, WSClark”
Or was that supposed to be a compliment?
This things been better than a soap opera tonight.
Sorry I missed it. (cough)
“Steven,”A computer for JR isn’t the problem. The problem is getting him hooked up with me. I’ve called him twice tonight and get no answer.
“I’ve got enough stuff to build 20 computers.”Posted by: XXX
Great. I think the other problem is getting/keeping him hooked up with the internet.
I send out money to keep nut-job politicians out of my life, I bet I can divert a bit of that for J R’s efforts at the same thing.
“Or was that supposed to be a compliment?”
It was Christian concern. Being prayed for isn’t an insult.
Again, is that chip very heavy?
Max,Pull up a chair and grab a beer.
It could get interesting.
XXX,
Looks interesting, but I gotta hit the sack and go in early for one more day in the coal mine before getting 3 DAYS OFF!
Can’t wait for the big weekend!
My 2 bits, I always thought I could belly up to the bar and get along with just about anyone, even if we argue all the darn time.
The beer sounds good though, maybe just one before bed.
Time to leave. South Park has already started. My son got me interested in that show – there may be hope for him yet…
Too bad Max,I was hoping you could join us. Even though I disagree with most of what you post, I don’t find you unreasonable.
I forgot most of you have to work tomorrow. I have 5 days off. I’m in the enviable position of having so much vacation time built up, I’m forced to take time off.
Maybe we can sit back some other time and discuss something other than politics.
regards, Max.
XXX, sounds like a plan.
I am wondering… what does all of the personality analysis, and Price petting, have to do with the Iraq question of flunking on reaching benchmarks???
I mean enough already…
Clark — I suspect we could get together, and enjoy a few cold beers, and enjoy some good background stories…
And to think this is only costing the US taxpayers 3 billion dollars a week. You’re doing a heckavu job Georgie!
Just pocket change, eh M M??
I am wondering… what does all of the personality analysis, and Price petting, have to do with the Iraq question of flunking on reaching benchmarks???
I mean enough already…
Posted by: Chas. | August 30, 2007 at 11:01 PM
And in the next post….
Clark — I suspect we could get together, and enjoy a few cold beers, and enjoy some good background stories…
Posted by: Chas. | August 30, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Chas, that’s kind of going both ways, isn’t it?A little civility never hurts. Sometimes we talk about the need to attack the post and not the poster. We all need to remember; while we may be political adversaries, we’re not enemies.
XXX- Have you and Mrs. XXX fully healed up from your motorcycle happening? Any thoughts about replacing your bike in the future?
Gary
We all have some posters we scroll past because of (insert whatever personal reason).
IGNORE keeps one out of the fray and away from those we don’t care to interact with.
Gster, thank you for your concern.Mrs XXX only got a scuffed knee, and while it’s a crying shame to mark such a lovely pair of legs, she came away with just scratches.
My crushed leg has healed nicely. I have a spot about the size of a quarter on my heel that has no feeling. The broken arm is mending well. The doctors said it was going to be bad due to my age and my smoking. Boy, did I surprise them. I was out of the sling in 5 weeks. But 5 weeks of immobility of the shoulder caused a condition called “frozen capsule”. The soft tissue in the joint froze up because of the scarring. I’ve got a lot of work ahead of me to get the shoulder to work properly again. I’m making progress, but it’ll be a long process. The doctors say it could take a year or more.
I’m a pretty tough old bird, so I’ll get through this. Just takes some time.
XXX- Thanks for the progress report. You and yours keep recovering and soon this will be behind you .
G
HASHISH DREAMS
Then put this in your pipe and smoke it:Taking Iraq, the takers broke it,And thereby “owned”As Powell said,The whole thing zonedIn green and red.
How much of blood, how much of treasureShould be the proper price, or measureWhereby successThe scheme achieve?Should more or lessIraquis grieve?
One nation under God if God´sA gambler reckless with the odds,As every region´sFakes and fraudsStill pledge allegienceTo the iPods.
Put morals on sabbatical,Supporting fools fanatical,AmericansFed crazy schemesOf brute romanceAnd hashish dreams.