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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Aug. 22, 2007 at 1:00 a.m.
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ITS NOW TIME FOR HOLDOVER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, DAVID UNRUH, TOM WINTERS, AND TIM NORTON TO STEP UP TO THE BATTERS BOX AND CANCEL THIS UNWANTED, UNNEEDED $300,000,000.13 DOWNTOWN ICE HOCKEY ARENA ONCE AND FOR ALL. FRANKLY, A LARGE MAJORITY OF TAXPAYERS … DON’T WANT IT.
ITS amazing what lengths politicians will go to see their names on brass plaques in front of an expensive project financed on the backs of the hard working taxpayers.
SO, UNRUH, WINTERS AND NORTON … FORGET THE EMBARASSMENT AND STAND UP AND SAY, “STOP THIS FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC FOOLISHNESS NOW BEFORE WE WASTE EVEN BIGGER MONEY WHEN CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WHITE ELEPHANT ARENA BEGINS.”
Here in Sedgwick County, more and more REAL NEEDS keep arising up that are going to need massive taxpayer money to solve. We need an alternative set of real county commissioners to deal with these.
Just in the past weeks, we have seen the need for future spending on some of our largest concrete bridges, viaducts and flyovers. These need to immediate in-depth on-going engineering analysis to determine safety. Although some involve state and federal funding, some county and city … the need is there … NOW.
Suddenly a chance appears to resusitate Old Cowtown Museum with some help from city and county governments. Are we going to do it?
Our Wichita water supply needs examination and protection much further out from Wichita than now is being done. I suggest in a 100 mile radius. Like the bridge situation, more technically trained people are needed to focus on these problems.
Do we or don’t we need a new airport terminal? Somehow a large citizens oversight committee is needed to make sure a gigantic financial mistake is not made on this.
We need a real concerted study of the proposal to operate a passenger train south from Newton’s AMTRAK station, through Wichita, south through Oklahoma City and into Texas to connect with east-west AMTRAK service down there. As I understand it, the route and trackage is already in place … but it does need upgrading to passenger train standards. How can we not see that in the future this capability might be required in case of a glitch with air line travel.
Wichita needs a major “MIGHTY OAK SHADE TREE INITIATIVE” to replace the dying elm trees that are visible on almost every street in Wichita. And to support this, burial of the overhead power lines whenever possible.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN MOST COUNTIES FOCUS ON IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THEIR COUNTIES … NOT ON PROVIDING FRILLY ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY OPTIONS THAT ONLY A SMALL MINORITY WANT.
Don’t you just hate transplants who come into Wichita thinking they are bigger than everybody and try to boss us around and acting like they run our community, when they have no ties or loyalty to our community in the first place?
They come into our community from White Flight suburbs in other metroplexes, because they need a job or they were ran out of their old community for whatever reason. Come in and tell us everything that is wrong, wag the finger in our face, threaten our politician, degrade and spew out negatives about our community all the time. Yet they will leave our community within a 5-year period and go on to the next one and do it over again to that community.
Everybody knows people like that. You know! Newbies who get hired on and think they know everything and point out all the bad things from day one. They act like they own the place and always complain that their boss or superiors are stupid. Then they are the first to leave or eventually get fired. Because they are inheritably always a bad employee and just an all around bad person. A complete asshole really.
You just have to read the first posting on this thread and come up with your own conclusion.
That’s right Joe! We don’t need no stinking new blood around here! Lets just send any newcomers right back where they came from! Lets build a wall around Wichita – nobody leaves and nobody comes in!
Of course, we then turn around and hire out-or-area consultants to bring in new ideas; they then collect their fees and leave.
How many decades does a new-comer have to be here before you consider him as having “ties or loyalty to our community”? How much money does he need to invest in the community?
Joe! Go read your Wichita history. All the great developments in this community were sparked by people who CAME HERE.
It is your “hate the newcomers” attitude that will hold this City back. That is why you are so fearful of our students going to school elsewhere; you are afraid that once they see other communities they will not come back.
I take the opposite view. I believe that Wichita can stand with other cities and compete for the best and the brightest nationwide.
I guess you are simply a reflection of the inferiority complex suffered by so many here who have never lived elsewhere.
Someone called me to tell me Joe is on his rant spouting his usual epitaphs, the A-word, the S-word and all the other alphabet swear words. In the past I have generally not responded to his irresponsible rants.
However, I suspect he is more or less serving as de facto spokesman for the pro-arena out of towners and three hold-over county commissioners.
I grew up here in Wichita’s farm to market area so know Wichita very well. As a high school student, we spent a lot of time visiting/shopping in Wichita. I recall sitting with my father in 1948 in a little depression-era diner on southwest corner of Waterman and Main. Over a bowl of Chili and crackers, we looked at the many buildings then in that area. They looked all the world like New York City.
Later, while attending K-State, I worked for Wichita’s Eby Construction Company and sent to work as assistant construction superintendent on a U.S. Army project in Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. This experience eventually led me to join a U.S. Army Engineering reserve unit while in college and later sent to the U.S. Army engineering school in Ft. Belvoir, Virginia, in the early 1960’s.
At the first EAGLE WE Blogger meetup, I met Joe and in conversation, I recall Joe saying he might join the military to do his patriotic duty. At the next meetup, Joe denied that and said he had no intention of joining the military … claimed there must have been another Joe W. there.
Sorry Joe … you can’t have it both ways … talk the talk of being a conservative but actually walk in the shoes of a left-wing socialist. You need to make up your mind.
“they will leave our community within a 5-year period”
Perhaps some do Joe! But others of us put down roots and invest in the community. How many decades Joe! before probationary period is fulfilled?
One thing I find rather amusing in a way. It has been noted that many Wichitans suffer from an inferiority complex about our hometown. However, this is only the natives; we transplants KNOW we have a good thing. As I have noted before, I can say to a potential recruit “I used to live THERE, now I live HERE. I like it HERE!”
Joe! You cannot make that statement can you?
JWink
>Suddenly a chance appears to resuscitate Old Cowtown Museum with some help from city and county governments. Are we going to do it?
Why didn’t that someone call you and let you know this…County abandoned Cowtown Museum and the City bought it.
Your free to list City Council members now how their willing to spend tax money.
I missed your comments on the $290 Million outrageous thoughts to upgrade Century II.
Those who hated the downtown Casino idea are responsible, like yourself. City could have sold property in that deal and used less tax money.
But LIARS promoted Century II was going to be turned into a Casino.
Flawed idealists is a better term. Something built outside of Wichita city limits is better for this community.
Yet what’s built is here is half done, under realized projects that have difficulty staying productive.
Our inferiority complex is what we can see. It’s not internalized feelings at all.
Wichita lacks civic buildings that are great attractions. For a city this size and largest in State of Kansas, what we have is a joke. Beyond the zoo, what else?
The Hyatt could have been improved with Casino investment. But NO…
This is not the time to wonder why a train should run through here, to see and do what?
The Arena, flawed with lesser seating is desperately needed as something positive being attempted here.
With 17,000 seats the largest facility we could gather at with regularity. I wish it had 18,000 floor seats for basketball.
The positive evidence, no downtown corporation is threatening to move because of the Arena. Crowds going into the Arena aren’t feared like groups heading into Casino.
Go bother the movers and shakers who can deny things being built here with their public comments.
Let your rants fly in their face.
The NO cabal made their executive selfs known.
Remember Mrage, it was YOU and yours who provided the margin that sank the slots. In your hatred of anything anywhere near Park City you and the other YES-NO voters did it.
As for C-II and casino; YOU kept bringing it up as a good idea. It’s too bad the casino supporters refused to give us a concrete plan and instead just said “trust us”
You did a wonderful job turning a 70% lead into a 43% DEFEAT! That vote was not won by the NO group; it was blown by the YeaYea! crowd.
Ben,
The Canadians didn’t have to lie, trying to win the YEA vote.
The NO group lied and spread rumors about Century II becoming a Casino.
The Eagle with their NO editorial opinion, helped edit the downtown Casino idea articles infer the wrong things.
Hid the key information, Canadians weren’t going to change Century II or Expo Hall at all. The guy wondered aloud if he could buy it is all.
People don’t read articles properly. Then the Eagle opinionated somehow the People were misinformed on Century II becoming a Casino.
That’s why some NO voters voted that way, like yourself!
You accept gambling but not near Century II. Feary did a poor job announcing her desires, but wanted the Casino in City limits.
What was the confliction, the evils of gambling okay. Affect on families feared.
But hating a Casino downtown makes no sense!
I don’t care about things outside of Wichita city limits as attractions. The Racino was a worse idea than a Casino.
Don’t keep promoting you would have liked it! The dog racing never enticed you to visit since it opened years ago. You won’t visit before it closes.
“But hating a Rasino not downtown makes no sense!”
By the way, how is the progress in getting all those corporate types you know to back your 18,000 seats?
“I don’t care about things outside of Wichita city limits as attractions.”
That is where you and I differ. I see Wichita as a PART of south-central Kansas. You want to wall it off from the rest of the community.
You are funny Mrage – you want taxpayers outside the city limits to support your downtown but you don’t want to support anything in their neighborhoods. That makes you a leech – sucking their blood while refusing to give anything back to the community; and especially not giving anything back to those outside of your precious city limits.
Face it Mrage – your side LOST and LOST BIG! Quite an accomplishment since you began UP 70-30!
“Don’t keep promoting you would have liked it!”
I never did and you know that. Just another Mrage LIE. Like the Mrage LIE that I swore I would never attend an event at the Arena. I simply stated that a casino-type facility at that location made sense for people who want to patronize one.
For those of us who see downtown as a CULTURAL center we don’t see a casino fitting in there. Ans I AM one who patronizes downtown – I leave a fair amount of money there on a routine basis.
Mrage – you seem a bit ‘truth-challenged’