You know that times are changing when the Beacon Restaurant, long a favorite of smokers, announced this week that it will be smoke-free on Saturdays and Sundays. Actually, the restaurant, located at 909 E. Douglas (right next to The Eagle), is testing the ban to see how it goes, according to an employee who predicted an uprising by the restaurants smoking patrons. Still, if the Beacon is willing to become more smoke-free, an eventual citywide ban seems inevitable.
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Never ate there, is the food good or is it another downtown hole in the wall?
I assume the name comes from the old Wichita Beacon newspaper?
I have eaten there, one time.It was kind of like an old Kings-X restaurant.If you go, be sure to bring your Rolaids.
i smoke.i don’t smoke in buildings.i don’t smoke in my home or my car.if you are a smoker and insist in smoking in restaurants, other buildings, or around your kids you are an idiot.non-smokers don’t want to smell like me or you. your kids will grow up with lung problems because you think you have a right to smoke around them.
Last time I looked, any business could post “No Smoking” signs. If their smoking clintel objects, they’ll take their business elsewhere. Same with non-smokers.
The Beacon’s example is what should be inevitable; not another set of ordinances(with added law-enforcement costs such as San Diego’s “Cigarette Police” who cruise bars and restaurants so they can slap fines on smokers and proprietors).
Not everything that’s undesirable or wrong needs to be illegal. Not everything that’s unwise or ill advised should be a crime.
Does The Beacon use trans-fats?
Smoking should be banned at all places that are outside the home and not outdoors. Glad I live in a state where smoking is banned everywhere except for 21 and up places. Smokers are slobs and they seem to think that everybody else should have to smell them and their habits. They don’t care if you breathe it. They don’t care of they set a fire flicking their cigarettes out of the car. I would also never hire a smokker of I had a business. No way.
Will they scrub the walls, floors, tables, etc on Friday night.
The place will still stink of cigarette smoke.
Need a new law? No smoking in Nanny Town.
We have NO SMOKING in any of our restaurants in Florida. It’s glorious! and sooo much easier for the restaurants. When I come to KS and they ask SMOKING OR NON SMOKING?? It’s like traveling back in time. Everyone will adjust and much happier in the long run.
There are still full smoking restaurants in town. Town & Country is entirely smoking.
No need for a ban. Let owners decide.
Why is this a State decision (or at least, appears to be headed that way)? Let the business owners, guided by the marketplace, decide this.
I didn’t hire the State to be my nanny. Butt out.
Query – with most proposals like this, you can follow the money and find out who wants it and why. OK, you sleuths: where does the money lead on this one?
I’m for the ban. It’s so nice when you travel to a city where they already have it…you don’t have to worry about where you eat out. Anyone who smokes should have to put up with a lot of inconvenience to do it…because I’m inconvenienced that so much of my tax money goes for their health care problems.
So, Mary, you’re for individual freedom and choices as long as you’re not “inconvenienced.”
good to know.
I think that when someone depends on the government system to provide for their health care there should be some accountability, yes.
I’d love to see those on public assistance have to summit to drug screening before they can benefit from the system that working people support with their taxes.
I see too many addicts sitting on their butts collecting assistance. If the government started holding them more accountable it would be the best thing for them and for us.
THE LIE: Smoking bans are good for business.
THE TRUTH: Of all the nonsense put forth by the smoke haters this concept is nearly the most ridiculous. There was no basis in fact for this idea when originally stated. Now that the financial results of the bans are being felt in many different cities it is becoming painfully obvious that many businesses are being irreparably harmed. Many of the smoke haters who not only are experts on SHS would also have you believe they are experts in the field of accounting. They will site tax records and other data to prove the business of bars and restaurants are up since the bans were imposed. Their numbers however are egregiously manipulated and include figures from establishments that normally wouldn’t be part of such a survey.
The fact of the matter is the anecdotal evidence is far more realistic. There is a hardly a restaurant or bar that hasn’t been adversely affected by these bans. Business has dropped off from between 20% and 50%. Many businesses have been forced to close. Jobs have been lost, a life time of work in building a business has been lost, and city tax revenues have been adversely affected.
THE LIE: Restaurants and bars are public businesses.
THE TRUTH: All restaurants, bars, and any other businesses that have been set up by an individual or group of individuals are PRIVATE ENTERPRISES! There is no getting around this fact. It is carved in granite. Our Constitution mandates the rights of private property as one of the most important rights we have! The fact that anyone should think they have the right to abrogate the very tenets of our Constitution demonstrates a colossal arrogance that we can not afford to have in this country.
When a small group of people attempt to force their own jaundiced views on the citizenry it is called an Oligarchy. Our elected officials are our SERVANTS! They are in office for only one purpose and that is to see to the needs of all the people Henry David Thoreau said in the 19th century, “the government that governs best, governs least”. He was right then—he is right today!
Oh please!!! People are going to quit dining out because they can’t smoke in a restaurant?
It hasn’t hurt the businesses in Utah or California.I suppose you think people should be able to smoke in theaters, in hospitals, and in airplanes also…after all we don’t want anyone’s freedom jeopardized do we?
Mary – I tend to side with those who would allow the owners to decide. I think there are enough of ‘us’ (non-smokers) that the market will also provide smoke-free establishments.
Also, newer technologies can at least ameliorate the effects of cigarette smoke.
Despite the whiners here, I know for a fact that business in restaurants in Austin went UP when smoking bans were introduced. With the usual chicken little stuff from the smokers.
Now if the live music venues would do the same. Oh, and could you start the music a little BEFORE 10pm? hehehehe.
I cant stand the smoke and, much like our dear leader, I’;m usually in bed by nine :)
Please, could we cater to the old gray mares once in a while? heheheheheheheheheheh!
No, smoking shouldn’t be made easy for anyone. The cost to our country is too high and it needs to be discouraged in every way possible. If it was just about those who smoke it would be different…but it’s about the rest of us, too. Over 300,000 Americans die each year from the effects of tobacco use…and we all pay for their health care with our tax money, billions could be saved if no one smoked…it’s everyone’s business when it comes to tobacco use in this country.
I don’t mind smokers in a restaurant if they are separated physically.
However, after seeing those videos how smoke spreads in a room, makes one wonder what hostile chemicals are hitchhiking on the smoke particles.
As I understand it, a smoke particle is measured in microns and can easily penetrate nose, cloth and most things we utilize, consume and touch in our lives.
But that’s for scientists to discuss.
You’re right Frm grl…I’ve had to leave concerts at the Cotillion because I couldn’t handle the smoke. I won’t attend anymore concerts there when the venue draws the smoking crowd, blues concerts are the worst..and I LOVE that music, but it’s not worth being sick the next day.
I don’t understand why kids are STILL starting to smoke.
We must have a gazillion different things in school which teach our children about how bad it is.
Yet it amazes me at how many children I still see smoking.
Sigh….
Gosh nathan, you mean ABSTINANCE ONLY smoking education doesnt work?
Who knew?
Nathan … agreed. I can see the addict having trouble kicking the habit but with all we know the idea of someone starting ???
Republican – the piggy-back chemicals are quite interesting.
The Beacon has great breakfast, best biscuits and gravy you will find.
Ben,
Yeah, I know there is alot of peer presure and all, but you think over the past decade it would show signs of steady and increasing decrease in new smokers as the others leave high school and less start.
However, I was under the assumption that those starting to smoke was still pretty high.
It amazes me how many still smoke in the military as well.
At the very least, I have seen many more parents who smoke outside and keep it away from their children which is a plus.
When I was growing up my Mother smoked and to this day it makes me sick. I can smell smoke on my clothes just from passing through a place where there are smokers.
It makes me sick. I can’t stand it.
The beacon is awesome, great food. I don’t smoke and I’m not a huge fan of smoke but their breakfast is worth whatever you have to suffer through to eat it.
To some of the “older” people here:
How did you ever put up with it growing up?
Was it as bad as some movies show, with smoking everywhere back in the 60’s and 70’s before all the no smoking bans went into effect?
Nathan…one theory is that kids naturally want to rebel…so many are going to do anything that parents or taeachers rail against. One of the more effective techniques to keep kids from smoking are the ads showing how they are being manipulated by the greedy tobacco companys to smoke. The thought of resisting “the man” by not falling for it is more appealing to them than a parent preaching to them about the evils of smoking. The theory of “talking to your kids” doesn’t really work that well. Most kids would rather just tune us out.
I am going to make a scrap book!
It will have all those nasty pictures of lungs and what happens to you when you smoke.
I will show it to them yearly with the other classes on what happens when you speed or drive drunk.
Nothing like taking them on a field trip to hold an actual lung full of tar perhaps?
Nathan, I guess I qualify as an “older” person. Back in the day (in my case, the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s) smoking was seemingly accepted as a part of being adult. Smokers were everywhere. One became inured to the odor, the discomfort, etc. Even then, though, there was an acknowledgment that smoking wasn’t the best for one’s health, thus the reference to “coffin nails”.
Speaking of the military, back in my basic training days (1973), the one acceptable “escape” was the “smoke’em if you’ve got’em” breaks. I understand that no longer occurs, and would be interested at what point the military went from at least tacitly encouraging smoking to discouraging it.
Ah yes,
I know it is hard to see exactly what all that blood and guts used to be, but if you look close you can see where the head hit the windshield and the skull was ripped open…
Look, there is a piece of the brain on the dash…
Over there is an arm…
And out there about 20 yards away splattered on the concrete is what is left.
Now, will you drink and drive or not wear your seat belt?
Yes, it seems like everyone smoked and it was promoted on TV and in the movies big time…it was glamorous by Hollywood standards and smoking was a sign of being an adult…even the Micky Mouse Club encouraged kids not to smoke “until they were old enough.”My dad smoked the whole time I grew up and that’s what killed him. All my brothers and sisters smoked and my mom even put cigarettes in their Easter baskets one year! I quit while I was in high school, because my boyfriend (now husband) told me to choose between him and the cigarettes. Thankfully I made the best choice…I’m so grateful to this day…I’ve seen the damage smoking has done to my family and those I care about..it’s an expensive and horrible way to die.
PS I agree, the Beacon has the best breakfast in town!
Mary,
That is what my Dad said about Joyce too!
She told him to choose between her or his dip.
Have kids take a tour of the morgue, some programs for kids are doing this. That really brings home the reality of reckless driving, gang violence, etc.
Yeah, either way she got the dip!! Just kidding, you’re dad is a great guy.
Nathan, go for it; just be disappointed when the scrapbook doesn’t have a permanent effect on all.
As many of you know, I worked in a mortuary to help finance my undergrad and first year law school education. As the result thereof, I wear my seat belt; don’t speed; don’t ride motorcycles; don’t drink and drive. I’m still working on the smoking thing, unfortunately (and yes, I’ve seen the lungs of more than one deceased smoker). I’ve a somewhat humorous story of how this job experience proved helpful to the defense of a premeditated murder case while in the USAF (in only a tangential way, let me hasten to add). Will share it privately if anyone is interested.
Yes, people WILL stop going to restaurants that don’t allow smoking. I won’t eat in hardly anywhere in Salina now- Matter of fact I can’t remember the last time I ate in anywhere there- except for Martinellis…but man I’d give up anything to eat there. I eat at SONIC where I can smoke in my car.
It’s a bunch of HOOEY that people say they can smell the smoke from the smoking section in a well ventilated section. My aunt was highly allergic to cigarette smoke…and couldn’t walk into my grandmother’s house without her eyes welling up. We went to Applebees with her before the ban and she didn’t have any sort of reaction at all. It was 17 years ago when I had my daughter and I could smoke in my hospital room with my daughter in there and nobody batted an eye about it.
Used to smoke out in the open at work and nobody complained. The second-hand smoke Nazis are out of control, making the whole thing seem so much worse than it really is. If most people can smoke and breath in not only their own smoke 24-7 but their secondhand smoke as well…and still take 40 some odd years to kill them…then I seriously doubt it hurts non smokers all that badly.
I have been exposed to smoke since the day I was born. And I’m a smoker too…so that’s 35 years now. I’m more worried about what I eat killing me.
Oh PLEASE tell me you didn’t smoke when you were pregnant…
PM, if you depend on government money to take care of you when (not if, but WHEN) you get sick, then society has every right to dicourage you from smoking all it wants..like I said above..it’s not all about YOU.
So we have the right to discourage people from skydiving…and eating fatty foods…and….and….and….
Gosh I hope I never have to live in that nation.
Besides you better hope I smoke when the government is taking care of me in old age….I’ll die far quicker- taking far LESS of your money.
Sorry, it’s a long, EXPENSIVE, and very painful death to die from emphasemia or any other lung disease. You have no idea how much it costs the taxpayers to take care of someone who is dying by inches every day…sometimes for years. At least people who have heart attacks from eating too much fat generally go a lot quicker.
Stop smoking..I don’t want to pay to keep you alive when you’d rather be dead.
This has been fun, but I gotta go…have many breathing treatments to do for my COPD patients today…many of whom STILL smoke. At least it’s job security for me! See you soon PMom, even though I’m older than you, I’ll be able to work and take care of you when you are permanently tethered to an O2 canister and can no longer walk across a room.
I see the some of the personal rights crowd wants to take away the right of a person who owns a building or business to decide wether to allow smoking or not.
“Smoking should be banned at all places that are outside the home and not outdoors.Posted by: Kev | August 03, 2007 at 05:57 AM
I’m for the ban.Posted by: Mary Caruso | August 03, 2007 at 08:57 AM
This one may or may not be wanting the ban. Not directly stated”Despite the whiners here, I know for a fact that business in restaurants in Austin went UP when smoking bans were introduced. With the usual chicken little stuff from the smokers.”
I think smoking is bad for you. It is not only harmful to your body (and not just the lungs) but it is terribly addicting. People should never start smoking, and people should always be encouraged. People should also be encouraged to protect their property rights.
It is after all, a right or freedom to choose
Mary did you forget that I have also worked in healthcare? No, smokers don’t take longer, and I did watch my grandmother die of emphysema….pneumonia finally got her. 65 years old. And she spent 3 years incapacitated to the point of needing care.
Was it horrid, yes. Drowning slowly gasping for every breath is a scary way to go. I know my fate is likely sealed even if I stopped today. But I also know my great-grandfather died of lung cancer and died similarily and never smoked a day in his life. So did my grandfather on my dad’s side..who never smoked and he died of CHF…very much the same way. I’d much rather go quickly than suffer parkinson’s or alzheimer’s or just rot away.
I do encourage people not to start smoking, because as Mary pointed out, the addiction is too great even in the face of horrible consequences. Punishing those already addicted isn’t going to help. What WILL help is keeping people from starting in the first place.
It is amazing that there is anybody stupid enough to still be smoking cigarettes, let along justifying how tough they are to be doing so.Yeah, I’m an ex-smoker. Quit cold turkey in 1989 and haven’t had one since. Watch my dad die slowly and painfully of lung disease caused by his life-long cigarette habit.
Smokers are dumb, dumb, dumb.
I have read all the garbage about how a non-smoking ban will harm the resturant and bar business. Oh PLEASE! I went to Dallas to visit my daughter and every resturant in that city is smoke-free. Guess what! The resturant business is booming! I was thorouhly and pleasantly surprised.One can eat without smelling and tasting someone’s smoke. Our clothes smelled great and our bodies didn’t reek of smoke. Yes, the ban is coming,folks! It’s just a matter of time! You know why? Because every employee of that establishment will be in touch with their attorney for litegation against the owner for health reasons! And it will work because it has been determined by the Surgeon General that cigarette, cigar and pipe smoke are harmful. Owners will ban smoking on that grounds! Watch and see! You smokers can’t win!!!!
Looks like another one wanting to limit the property rights of businessowners. SO much for freedom
I don’t go to restaurants without non-smoking sections, and I don’t go to restaurants where the non-smoking section smells like smoke (which is far too many of them).
Idiots have the right to idiotically ruin their health any way they want. They don’t get to ruin mine.
Idiots have the right to idiotically ruin their health any way they want. They don’t get to ruin mine.
Posted by: Tom | August 03, 2007 at 11:51 AM
And that I would agree with. I can choose to eat wherever I want, smoking or non. I choose non. The business owner can choose to support me, the nonsmoker, the next guy, the smoker, or try and do both. It is HIS business, should be HIS choice.
Talk about a flip flop! We’ve gone from everyone screaming about protecting those who can’t possibly choose responsibly for themselves (ie: gamblers) to those who have chosen to smoke (and most likely addicted) as dumb and stupid scum of the earth. Granted, many of us probably started long ago when the ‘rules of society’ were different and before the big health craze, but once again this is a freedom of choice issue. You smoke? whatever. You don’t? fine. Even though my efforts at trying to quit have not yet been successful, I CHOOSE not to smoke in my home, vehicle or restaurants or anywhere indoors. I don’t like the smell of it in a closed environment so I smoke outside and a respectable distance away from doors or nonsmokers. And I wish all smokers would be courteous. But with that said, if I’m outside and well away from others, then whether or not I smoke is my business.So, why doesn’t anyone feel “sorry” for smokers and want to “help” them? After all, don’t they need to be “protected” from their choice? Where’s that ‘gotta save them from themselves’ crowd now? Hypocrites.
Oh I so agree. This is bad that is bad everything bad bad bad. Geez, lets get perspective.
Guess what, we are ALL going to die someday. Every last one of us. In the big scheme of things we’re all here for only a minutia anyhow.
Tomorrow dear Tom (whom I adore) might forget to look and step in front of a bus. And we will all hang our heads and say what a shame that he did this one thing so stupid. Shouldn’t he have known better? From talking on cell phones to the very silly stupid decisions we made every day….none of us are perfect. I don’t expect gay people to live as I want them to for their own good or whatever the excuse is that others spout off….nor do I turn my nose up at the 700 lb man with a bucket of chicken. We all have our issues. Mine happens to be smoking. I quit drinking and drugging a LONG time ago. Thank you very much, I’ll keep my smokes and my diet coke.
Well, PM, I dont’ smoke, but it’ll be a cold day in Hell before I give up my Diet Cokes. :)
“I’d love to see those on public assistance have to summit to drug screening before they can benefit from the system that working people support with their taxes.”
NOBODY that smokes should be allowed welfare or unemployment. They should be urine tested for nicotine before getting any benefits.
“The beacon is awesome, great food. I don’t smoke and I’m not a huge fan of smoke but their breakfast is worth whatever you have to suffer through to eat it.”
I do not wish to eat anywhere near stinking addicted slobs. If they wanna smoke, let them get their food “to go” and go outside and eat. They can sit there on Douglas and smoke all they want. And somehow I bet that The Eagle does not allow it in their building either.
“Have kids take a tour of the morgue, some programs for kids are doing this. That really brings home the reality of reckless driving, gang violence, etc.”
Fools are fools and stupid people are stupid people. That is why I am opposed to things like railroad gates and filtered cigarettes. Be a REAL MAN and smoke Camel unfiltered! The sooner the stupid die, the better off the rest of us are.
I’ve eaten at the Beacon. Half the place is smoking and the other half was non-smoking. You didn’t have to sit in the smoke.
I predict their business will fall off as their regulars are put-out by the ban. It’s not like they will get new business because of this decision.
Kev, you know it’s people like you that I just hope in the non-smoking section I get to park my stinky ass next to …now that it’s ALL non-smoking now. Be careful what you wish for! I’d be much happier across the room from ya.
You’re the kind of guy who coughs and sniffles if someone is smoking outside 100 feet away, aren’t ya?
Smokers are treated like worse than lepers anymore and I’m sick and tired of it when there is NO REASON to be that way.
Sounds like a good reason to quit smoking.
Golf, I have 1001 reasons to quit. That being one very low on the list.
I very much wish I could. And no I’m not playing a damn victim, I blame nobody but myself. I just can’t quit.
1001 reasons would be pretty compelling. You’ve said that there’s a genetic link to smoking, so I’m pretty sure you ARE a victim. Remember?
I’ve always viewed smokers as weak – especially if they acknowledge that it’s unhealthy.
Yes I”ve said there has been evidence of a gene that makes you more addicted than otherwise. My family history tells me that I’m likely one of them.
It’s just something I’ve been dealt. And I don’t play the word victim like it’s some pathetic thing either….like those who are victimized or afflicted with something have something to be ashamed of.
See, Golf, you view everyting a person does or does not do as a weakness….a personal flaw.
Shall we start counting your personal flaws?
“everything”…hmm.
Liberals love to be “victims” – that’s easy to see. I prefer to take responsibility for my shortcomings and work to improve them.
And I also believe that we should EARN what we get…
But that’s a different topic for another thread. =)
Nothings impossible, if one is motivated enough they can quit…it’s hard but it’s not impossible.
There are good medications to help people quit smoking.
It’s not about freedom of choice as long as the negative consequences of smoking are shared by everyone. One person’s rights stop where another person’s rights start. I don’t want to have my tax money spent taking care of those who never cared enough to care about themselves…and that goes for really obese people too. Our healthcare system is already overloaded now, it shouldn’t be burdened further with those who believe it’s their personal choice to make themselves sick. Maybe I’m being cruel, but I’ve been a nurse for over 20 yrs and I’d rather see our resources go to those who truly can’t help the fact that they got sick. I’m not going to care about someone more than they care about themselves, I don’t have enough energy for it. I’ll take care of the ones who WANT to be healthy.
Go away troll, you’re not funny.
WTF? One of the late nighters here trolling golfnutz?
hehehehehehehehehehhe!
Now THAT’s funny, and I dont care WHO you are…
Sorry, Mary, that wasnt directed at you. I just think for all the crap golfnutz has pulled here, it is hysterical to see him get it back.
OK, off to the farmers markets. Thanks to the troll who provided me with such laughs today. Usually I’M the troll target, so thanks, for a change, for giving me a laugh to start my day. Just couldnt happen to a nicer guy…
I’m growing organic tomatoes this year Frmgirl, and ideas for natural pesticides? The damn grasshoppers are eating my plants and I can’t have any chickens where I live. I’ve heard about a garlic mixure that’s pretty effective…have you heard of any others that work well?
I think I’ve figured out an acceptable compromise to this issue. Perhaps all establishments should be smoke-free by default, but allow a business to get a license to allow smoking indoors. It could cost a little extra money, but the businesses would almost certainly make it back by the smokers who’ll be going there, especially if the business is a bar or club. Cause really, cigarettes and cheap beer go perfectly together, but it’s pretty unpleasant to enjoy a juicy steak when there’s that nasty foul smell lingering about.
As a non-smoker who chain-smokes after a few beers once or twice a month, I can see both sides of the issue :)
Incidentally, Honolulu went smoke-free last year and for the most part, people have accepted it and stepped outside for their nicotine fix. The result? I smoke less in bars, because its too much trouble to go outside every 5 minutes. Good for me, good for all the non-smokers in the bar.
I visited a country recently where smoking had been ‘outlawed’ indoors. So all the addicts were out on the street. Made the city smell instead of just the places where business owners allowed it. Like most ‘do-gooder laws’ nobody asks, “so what will happen when they can’t do it here?”
Mary you don’t get to choose to care for those you only feel are worthy, and you shouldn’t judge your patients like that in the first place.
Those medications aren’t that great to stop smoking. They HELP. But not when the side effects are worse.
Yeah like at the hospital where they outlawed smoking on the premises…now you’ve got smokers and employees lined up on the sidewalks out in the open instead of tucked behind the radiators all alone like they used to be.
Sure promotes that image of health they so wanted to portray huh? Ha.
Just further proof that smokers are generally rude and couldn’t care less about their health or the health of others…including children.
PMom, I take care of those who are sick due to their own fault AND those who are sick due to no fault of their own…I don’t pick and choose who I care for. And I don’t judge anyone, but I don’t get too invested in the ones who are intentionally killing themselves with their choosen lifestyle or attempt to push them out of habits they don’t want to give up. I’d burn out if I thought I had to save people from themselves. It’s their choice as to how they want to live and die.I doubt by your posts that you spent much time in the healthcare field. After a while, you learn to accept the fact that you’re not going to change the world or the people in it. It’s the only way you can stay effective as a health care provider, otherwise it’s too draining.
” The sooner the stupid die, the better off the rest of us are.”
Wow, we’ve really gone off the deep end now haven’t we?
You’re all up in arms about homelessness, abused women, drug addicts, gambling addicts and the like but any compassion for the ‘addicted’ comes to a screeching effin’ halt when it comes to cigarettes. I guess that implies that those poor folks didn’t make any of their own choices, huh?
I guess some folks have compassion for vices as long as the vice is approved of. Just wanted to point out that hypocrisy again.
Forgive Kev, he knows not of what he speaks.
I know Mary, and I agree it’s a bad habit. I just felt the need to speak out about the hypocrisy.Here’s hoping that we all quit whatever destructive habit we engage in!