White House spokesman Tony Snow tried to tamp down expectations about this week’s report to Congress on the Iraq troop surge, calling it a “snapshot of the beginning of the retooling of the mission in Iraq.” But as our editorial argued today, the only beginning many lawmakers and citizens seek is the beginning of the end for U.S. involvement in Iraq: “America’s patience has worn thin on a mission that seems to chase ever-changing, unrealistic goals.”
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I guess that is why our resident wingnuts are also in denial? Following the lead of their preznit?
Maybe they need more ‘tater salad’ eating gay Arabic language translators over there KFG.
They couldnt do any worse than we’re doing now, could they?
And the troll proves once again why we just walk on by…
How many GOP Senators have seen the light so far?
Not enough. NONE from kansas. One’s bush’s senator and the other isnt there enough to matter.
“How many GOP Senators have seen the light so far?”
I think it has sky rocketed to 5.You’d think it was 50 by the way the Lib media play it.
lib media
hahahah
that is such a joke, but then only those who watch Faux noise and listen breathlessly to rush believe that
I think it has sky rocketed to 5.You’d think it was 50 by the way the Lib media play it.
Posted by: fleettwood | July 10, 2007 at 02:43 PM
lol!
Iraq is supposed to fail at every benchmark for Sept.
Per Durbin, rethugs want to fililbuster Webb’s amendment, to get thetroops more time to recuperate between tours. Man, how low will they go? How can they even justify that?—–
“Per Durbin,…”
Durbin? Didn’t he call our troops some bad names?
‘Draft Report To Conclude Iraqi Government Hasn’t Met Any Of Its Targets, Official Says’http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/09/ap/politics/main3037150.shtml
Iraq is a cluster so I guess they are now going to try to screw up iran next?
______.S. Navy sends third carrier to Fifth Fleet regionTue Jul 10, 2007 6:37 PM IST
MANAMA (Reuters) – The U.S. Navy said on Tuesday it had sent a third aircraft carrier to its Fifth Fleet area of operations, which includes waters close to Iran, whose row with the West over its nuclear plans has stoked regional tensions.
The carrier will join two aircraft carriers already in the area, which recently gave the U.S. Navy its biggest presence in the Gulf since the Iraq war in 2003, a Navy spokeswoman said.
“(The carrier) Enterprise provides navy power to counter the assertive, disruptive and coercive behaviour of some countries, as well as support our soldiers and marines in Iraq and Afghanistan,” a U.S. Navy statement said.
In May, a flotilla of U.S. warships sailed through the narrowest point in the Gulf to hold exercises off Iran’s coast in a major show of force.
Tension over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions has raised regional fears of a military confrontation.
“These operations are not specifically aimed at Iran … We consider this time unprecedented in terms of the amount on insecurity and instability in the region,” Navy spokeswoman Denise Garcia said, citing Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan. …….(more)
The complete piece is at: http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=...
I don’t know …Durbin is a repuke so he is worthless…
“Durbin is a repuke so he is worthless…”
I hadn’t heard he had switched partys.
The dems did a horrible job what with great gas prices and peace and prosperity right…its so much better now with over 3.00 a gallon gas and an endless war and endless corruption scandals and cronism right…
jebus you people make me sick
at least three dead including one US citizen, eighteen injured. Per CNN.
And the fun just goes on..and on…and on…
“And the troll proves once again why we just walk on by…”
SURVEY: Daily Show/Colbert Viewers Most Knowledgable, Fox News Viewers Rank Lowest
A study by the Pew Research Study shows that viewers of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report have the highest knowledge of national and international affairs, while Fox News viewers rank nearly dead last:
The results about Fox News echo findings of previous surveys. In 2003, University of Maryland researchers studied the public’s belief in three false claims that Iraq possessed WMD, that Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that there was international support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.The researchers stated, The extent of Americans misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Fox News viewers were three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions.
New Mexico Senator Pete V. Domenici became the latest Senate Republican to publicly break with the Bush administration and call for a change inBush and Cheney are sure to follow soon, at least in token fashion, in an attempt to stop the hemorrhaging of GOP support
‘Defecting’ Republicans so far: Pete Domenici, Richard Lugar (rankin Republican on Senate Foreign Relations Committee), George Voinovich, Lamar Alexander and Olympia Snowe with John Warner about to come out with his own denouncement. These individuals are alll major pillars of the Republican political establishment, and so just the beginning of an avalanche that the administration still refuses to recognize – at least publically.
Of course, the ‘anti-war’ Democrats are welcoming these individuals into the fold and working with them in a bi-partison fashion (as usual) in an attempt to find a concensus means to indefinately continue the military occupation of Iraq while addressing increasing disaffection at home, abroad and within the military itself.
How long this charade and dancing act can go on is up in the air. But, clearly, the political and media establishment (both parties) are very worried about where things are headed – as they should be.
Then there’s the misperception that the “liberal” media are the only ones against the war, when liberal lynchpins like Joe Scarborough and Tucker Carlson are against it too (not to mention that old misperception about the media being liberal, don;t get me started…)
Oh well. You still have that blowhard Bill Kristol around to fulfill your feedback-loop quotient.
Right, Fleettwood says that six Republicans speaking out against Worst. President. Ever. is nothing.
But it’s more than ten percent of Repbulican Senators.
“But it’s more than ten percent of Repbulican Senators.”
Yeah, you got 10%.
I see that Sen. John McCain just came back from Iraq. I didn’t see a video of him walking the streets of Baghdad and commenting how safe the streets are now.
I see that Sen. John McCain just came back from Iraq. I didn’t see a video of him walking the streets of Baghdad and commenting how safe the streets are now.
Don’t forget Hagel – he is also jumping the bush sinking ship. Not that you can pin the guy down on ANYTHING, though.
Anyway, what those who deny reality here continue to ignore is that the GOPPER’s jumping the Bush sinking ship in the Senate are pillars of the Republican establishment.
Many ore will follow.
Haha.
Not that it will amount to a hill of beans.. the occupation and war will continue for years regardless of which party comes to power in 2009.
“…in the Senate are pillars of the Republican establishment.”
A few pillars, a few RINOs, still 10% (thank you, capn).
I would like to point out that Senators Domenici and Snowe are both up for reelection in 2008. I am told both are potentially facing tough campaigns. It will be interesting to see whether the “defections” are for purposes of their campaigns, or if they follow up the talk with walking the walk on various Iraq withdrawal votes, funding votes, whatever, in the coming days.
I think the Democrats have a real problem on their hands. They ran on getting us out or Iraq now. They lied. They knew it wouldn;t happen. They knew, regardless of sentiment, that it will have to be a slow reduction. They knew that the facts wouldn;t get them elected. Now, they are at their lowest approval rating ever. A victim of their own hyperbole and lies. Nonetheless, They will probably prevail in the upcoming election cycle.
The key here lj is to pin it on the veto and filibuster. Also, pass an ‘encumbered’ spending bill next to and refuse to follow it with a ‘clean’ one.
Lying is not a Democrat trait. It is a politicans trait. It is their primary tool, other than buying votes, to get elected or reelected. Democrat/Republican makes no difference.
#1) Snowe = RINO
#2) They didn’t lie. Don’t go down the Lib path. They want to get us out of Iraq. That’s what they do. I say, let them keep running on that. McGovern Ghost and all.
Ben–I hate encumberd spending bills. ALways have. nasty little politicians trick. Anyway, out of here for today. see ya all
You don’t win elections by telling 71% of the American people they are wrong. Whether they are misinformed or not.
If the Republican defections from Bush are no big deal, why are hearing these reports?
“ABC News has been told the White House is in “panic mode” over the recent defections of Republican senators on the president’s stay-the-course policy in Iraq.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3359764&page=1
Pardon me, I forgot about the lying liberal media – the LLM – never mind, carry on…
“Whether they are misinformed or not.”
Tell that to Eugene McGovern. He has said, in the last few days, you can. Just not him.
Let the Republicans continue saying everyone against the war is a “liberal” and soon enough “liberal” will come to mean a reasonable person with a firm grasp on reality. And the dwindling number of “conservatives” will be known as ideologically blinded demagogues.
“the White House is in “panic mode”"
If true, it isn’t, it should make it easier for you people to get something passed.Good luck with that. 10% is less than almost everything.
“Let the Republicans continue saying everyone against the war is a “liberal”"
So far, so good.
Hmm, I wonder if Ricky Santorum knows something?
July 8, 2007 at 17:04:56
Red Alert: Has Santorum Let the Cat Out of the Bag?
by Mac McKinney Page 1 of 1 page(s)
http://www.opednews.com
A very disturbing article has just surfaced by Paul Joseph Watson of Prison Planet about comments ex-Senator Rick Santorum made very recently on the Hugh Hewitt radio show. I quote you:
“In an alarming display of fearmongering, former Republican Senator Rick Santorum has suggested that a series of ‘unfortunate events,’ namely terrorist attacks, will occur within the next year and change American citizen’s perception of the war.
“Santorum went on to clearly imply that terror attacks will occur inside America which will alter the body politic and lead to a reversal of the anti-war sentiment now dominating the country.” (http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2007/070707changeview.htm )http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mac_mcki_070708_red_alert_3a_has_santo.htm
The Evening News is full of: “They’re gonna get you, they’re gonna get you.”
The Homeland Security Guy is pitching “al-Qaida is coming.”
{ reminds me of that Movie; “The Russians are Coming” “The Russians are Coming” }
He says that he has no proof, but “they” like summer, so, that’s it, here they come.
Now it’s not unlike the Bushco Neocons/Zionists to blow-up things, as they will to scare you, so get ready.
{ They’ve got nothing to lose }.
{ they already are the “civil war” in Iraq }.
“OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion Home Page”
March, Libs, march.
“Propaganda Matrix.com: Exposing the 4th Reich of the Elite and …Exposing the New World Order and Government Sponsored Terrorism.”
Keep marching, twits.—–
I ain’t no lib, fleety, that’s for damned sure!
“I ain’t no lib, fleety, that’s for damned sure!”
Ya rght. This website fell out of your sky? X2? What’s next? demo underground?
Boy, there are people even thicker skulled than Bush and Cheney.
The handwriting is on the wall. There will be a drawdown of the troops to reinforced bases from which attacks can be carried out to protect US interests – namely, access to the oil.
The GOPPER’s are running from the Bush sinking ship. More will follow ‘the 10 percent’ that have denounced bush – because this is an important 10 percent and elections are coming up.
Bush and Cheney will soon announce a reversal of course – if in a token manner. But it will not be another surge.
Still would not put it past the criminal clique in the Whitehouse to launch an aerial and missile attack on Iran in an attempt to extricate themselves form the Iraq disaster, however. You can’t put anything past those SOB’s.
But they will start TALKING drawdown of the troops soon, guaranteed.
Regardless, this occupation will be continuing until this government falls, whether it is run by Democrats or Republicans.
Let’s understand reality. The war in Iraq is not a failure. When Don Rumsfeld the brilliant Princetonian told our military leaders we were going to invade Iraq, and they foolishly gave him a 500,000+ invasion force proposal, his rejection of this wasn’t due to his ignorance.
Rumsfeld, in cahoots with the Big Dick, had no intention of winning a war in Iraq. The plan was to raise oil prices and pump taxpayer dollars into Halliburtan. The plan worked.
Americans could have discovered this plan if the Dickster’s meetings’ memos with oilmen had been required to comply with Freedom of Information Act demands of public accountability groups, but the SCOTUS came up with specious reasons to deny the public access to this information.
The war in Iraq is NOT a failure. You just have to understand it in a different context from that portrayed by the corporate mainstream media. It wasn’t about eliminating WMDs because they were nonexistent. It wasn’t thereafter about bringing democracy to the Middle East, because A. it isn’t happening, is it? and B. Bush-Cheny Co’s closest friends there are totalitarian Saudi aristocrats.
If we bomb Iran, do you know how that’s going to affect you? You’d be smart to start advance-budgeting $4/gallon expenditures to drive to work and the grocery store.
Looks like Nostradomus is weighing in.
“More will follow ‘the 10 percent’ that have denounced bush -”
“Bush and Cheney will soon announce a reversal of course”
“the criminal clique in the Whitehouse to launch an aerial and missile attack on Iran”
Its an objective analysis of the situation that is developing – namely, the failure of bush and cheney’s oil war from which there is no viable way out in the eyes of the political establishment. The military is at the breaking point. They have no choice but do draw down the troops. You need not be a Nostradamus to see the writing that is on the wall,
Above it was mentioned the possiblility of another ‘terrorist attack’ as referenced by the right wing whack job Rick Santorim. This is another means by which the bush cabal may attempt to extricate themselves. After all, what else do the care about besides themselves and their access to oil? Certainly not the welfare of the masses, either at home or abroad.
MPS – Maybe the war in Iraq is not a failure in Bush and Cheney’s eyes, but it is in the eyes of the political and media establishment as a whole. To claim that the war is Iraq is not a failure is simply ignoring the objective facts of the situation – the destruction of a society, the chaos, the bloodshed and the plummeting of support of the American people.
Sure, maybe Bush and Cheney don’t care. But they aren’t paying for it – the rest of the world is, though.
I think you the liberal press are doing everything you can to help the Terrorist. You write emotional stories of which you know nothing about, just like I do. We are at war with the Terrorist and Al Quada, Don’t forget 911. We must support our military and win, anything else is Un American.
how convenient.
Sentate votes to DEFUND cheneyGonzalez is on the hot seat againMeiers has to testify DESPITE pissypants claiming EPIraq War failing
but
but
wait for it…
Chertoff has a “gut feeling” some boogie man might attack us this summer…
way to go chimpy … bring out the terror card again, but this time people are on to your corruption
George–
Assuming your post wasn’t bad satire, how do we know when we’ve “won?”
when bushy er cheney has all the oil and money he needs
“Don’t forget 911.”Posted by: georgetroy | July 10, 2007 at 07:04 PM
Yea unlike you I remember 9/11I remember who did it to us and it was not Iraq or saddam it was OBL. You remember the one your fearless leader let run off to Pakistan, not to Iraq, Pakistan. But you keep on hating America. America was about truth, but you keep spouting lies it’s what your leader does so It make sense you would to.
The liberal press, the terrorists, Al-Qaeda, 911, GAWK! The liberal press, the terrorists, Al-Qaeda, 911, GAWK!
This is all millions can do in this nitwit country – parrot the fear-mongering and absurd propaganda of right wing thugs in the media and right wing criminals in the ruling elite.
A lot of us think these same thugs and criminals, including first and foremost the Bush-Cheney regime ARE the terrorists (who is destroying whose countries), have created the conditions for the resurgence of Al-Qaeda and are responsible for 911 either through their gross, criminal negligence or their outright complicity.
But it takes more than a parrot to understand what is behind the easily repeatable fear-mongering and rhetoric.
Then you should move to Canada KCDan, I hear they like hand-raising surrender fools like you.
how convenient.
Sentate votes to DEFUND cheneyGonzalez is on the hot seat againMeiers has to testify DESPITE pissypants claiming EPIraq War failing
but
but
wait for it…
Chertoff has a “gut feeling” some boogie man might attack us this summer…
way to go chimpy … bring out the terror card again, but this time people are on to your corruption
At this point, can we really trust anyone from this administration to level with us about anything at all?
We’ve been lied to over and over and over and over again. WHY are republicans still standing up for him? You people make me sick.
Even after that one guy came on today and said that he wasn’t ever allowed to present his opinion, and was instructed to toe the line.
now Gonzo LIED as well about knowing the patriot act abuses against American citizens!
I’m so ashamed that any American will tolerate this from ANY administration! I swear right now if this were my party, I’d switch. But this is my country and god damn it you assholes better pull your heads out.
If you ever want control of any form of government again.
What lies would that be PMom?
You mean the briefing from the CIA Director appointed by Clinton about the WMD’s?
Exactly what lies were you referring to? :)
Supporters of this debacle in Iraq keep talking about “winning” and “victory”. Would someone please define what a victory in Iraq, or against the terrorists would look like? And please don’t tell me it’s when we’ve killed all of the terrorists, because that will never happen. They are being manufactured by the hundreds and thousands every day, from Gaza to Jordon to Yemen to Pakistan to Malaysia. And then there is the pipe dream of a “a united, free and democratic Iraq, embracing the principles of free enterprise and acting as the catalyst for transforming the entire region”. You should spend some time in that region of the world. Their contempt for western ideals and philosophies (especially American) is surpassed only by their intense hatred of each other’s ethnic and religious clans. The two biggest reasons why our misadventure in Iraq is a failure: The Bush Administrations attempt to fight a major combat action “on the cheap”, and it’s misguided assumption that the vast majority of the world’s peoples are morally, ethically and culturally deprived and are clamoring for American style democracy.
Do you mean the SAME CIA Director that Bush awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom?
THAT CIA Director?
Yeah, that one Clark. Bush knows how to forgive and forget. He knows Tenant did a good job in other areas. But Tenant failed everyone on his so-called intelligence gathering about Iraq’s WMD.
Bush forgives and forgets unlike 99.99 percent of the Libs. Everyone blames the WMD misinformation on Bush, when it was Tenant’s fault.
No, Blank One, even Tenent says that Bush cherry picked the WMD intelligence.
Nice try, though.
So I guess your saying KenS that Clinton was full of crap when he passed the Democratization of Iraq into law?
Several people in the White House and on the major Department staff say other wise Clark.
Deny the truth if you will, or just make it up as you go like you usually do Clark.
WASHINGTON — President Bush threatened to veto legislation setting a date for a troop withdrawal from Iraq on Tuesday despite growing bipartisan calls in Congress for an end to U.S. participation in the war and sharp criticism of the Iraqi government.
As the Senate opened a new debate on the conflict, one of the president’s staunchest supporters bluntly said the administration had pursued the wrong policy for years after toppling Saddam Hussein. “The strategy we had before was not the right strategy,” said Christopher Bond, R-Mo. “We should have had a counterinsurgency strategy.”
Asked later who bore responsibility for the error, Bond said, “Ultimately, obviously, the president.”
In a further sign of eroding GOP support, Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C., called for troops to come home next year.
“Simply put, our troops have been doing a great job, but the Iraqi government has not,” she said. “Our commitment in Iraq is not indefinite, nor should the Iraqi government perceive it to be. It is my firm hope and belief that we can start bringing our troops home in 2008.”
Two Democrats, Sens. Carl Levin of Michigan and Jack Reed of Rhode Island, back legislation to require a troop withdrawal to begin within 120 days, to be completed by the end of April 2008.
A vote is expected next week, and Reid said nearly all Democrats support the proposal. Republican Gordon Smith of Oregon is a supporter, as well, and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, told reporters she may switch her position and vote for it, too.”
One by one the Republicans are seeing the light, especially the ones who are up for re-election in ‘08.
“when bushy er cheney has all the oil and money he needs”
It’s comments like this show you people got nothing.
“Several people in the White House and on the major Department staff say other wise Clark.”
George Tenent has said publicly that the references to Iraq and uranium from Niger were to have been taken out of the 2003 State of the Union address and that he (Tenent) was surprised that they were left in.
Tenent knew that the charge was false but Bush and his team deliberately left it in.
Anything else, Blank One?
“A lot of us think these same thugs and criminals, including first and foremost the Bush-Cheney regime ARE the terrorists”
Sounds impeachable. Better get started.
“Republican Gordon Smith of Oregon is a supporter, as well, and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, told reporters she may switch her position and vote for it, too.”"
Two RINOs. who cares.
So since Tenant knew it was false, why did he give them the intel?
Sounds like he should be prosecuted to me and sent to prison.
“So since Tenant knew it was false, why did he give them the intel?”
He told the White House that that intelligence was false but Condi “Mushroom Cloud” Rice and George WMD Bush used it anyway.
Bush and Rice are the ones that should be in prison.
Tenent is an idiot, but he is not that stupid.
As I recall there was no way for Tenant to confirm that there wasn’t any WMD in Iraq, so Tenant would have to have lied either way. He relied on the testimony of a known liar, an ex-Iraqi Scientist as his major source of information. Watching Tenant on TV and the way he hem-hawed around I can see where he passed on a muddled message. Clinton said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, do did all of his staff, and many Democratic Senators and Congressman as well. Are they are all liars as well Clark? This was before Bush took office too.
“Clinton said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, do did all of his staff”
And as has been repeated three hundred times, Clinton thought that Saddam had WMD because he would not allow UN inspectors in.
The inspectors returned to Iraq in 2002 and only left because the “shock and awe” was about to start.
Had they been allowed to finish their jobs, we would have found that Saddam was just a paper tiger, as we know now.
Guess who was Clinton’s CIA Director then?
George Tenant
This from March 2003 does not sound false to me.
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_03/proliferation_mar03.asp
Con, you’d make one hell of a good Bush cabinet member, acting like you don’t know of any lies….is it hard getting all of that sand out of your ears?
How can one prove a negative – that is, that there were NO WMD’s in Iraq? It is like me proving I did not kill somebody. No way I can PROVE I did not, but the proponderance of the evidence certainly indicates I did not.
The proponderance of the evidence indicated no WMD’s in Iraq. That is what the conclusion should have been. If every country had to PROVE they had NO WMD’s, we would, using Bush-Cheney logic, have to attack them all.
(Don’t give them any ideas..)
“Guess who was Clinton’s CIA Director then?”
No inspections, dumbass.
Christ.
Actually, I’ve been to and lived in that part of the world PMom. When is the last time you left the U.S. for the Middle East?
I know what it is like to be radar locked from a ground station based in Iraq or Iran.
As usual PMom, you post nothing of substance. A true Tabula Rasa.
Another thing – just because someone despises the liar and thief Bush and his criminal sidekick Cheney, that does not necessarily mean that person is a Clinton supporter, or even a Democratic party supporter.
So the argument that “Bill Clinton did it” is a red herring and a distraction from the issues at hand.
It was your argument Clark about the WMD inspectors not being allowed in to prove a negative, not mine.
By the way, SCUD’s are considered weapons of mass destruction, as are some of the other long range missiles that were based in Iraq. It wasn’t all about Nuclear, Biological or Chemical Warfare.
The Russians had technicians in Iraq (which they won’t admit to) helping Iraqi scientists to improve their missiles with carrying NBC payload, be more accurate and have longer range.
So yes, there was justification to invade considering what they did to Kuwait and had violated 10 years of U.N. Sanctions by firing at Allied Aircraft. The firing at U.S. aircraft alone was justification.
France was supplying helicopter missile and offensive helicopter parts and equipment to Iraq. Germany was selling chemical constituents for rocket fuel and other military uses, all for offensive military purposes in direct violations of U.N. sanctions.
There’s more, but I’m guessing it’s still classified.
There was an economic and military embargo against Iraq since Daddy Bush’s oil war. There were intermittent bombings of the country during the entire sanctions period. The country was watched continuously via satellite and surveilence aircraft.
There was no friggin way Iraq had WMD’s – and most of the world, outside of this nitwit country, knows it.
Use your friggin head.
“There’s more, but I’m guessing it’s still classified.”
Good God, Republank, you truly are a wannabe expert on EVERYTHING.
What a chock of shit.
The UN Inspectors said that Saddam Hussein was a paper tiger – Bush has admitted as much – yet you still bang the drum that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the United States.
……despite the fact that he didn’t even control all of his own country.
Christ.
If someone had an enemy base in Mexico had an Iraqi SCUD improved by the Russians KCDan, they could have delivered the payload of their choice on your empty head in Kansas City. That is a WMD.
Use your empty head Dan.
Like I said, I was stationed in that part of the World, I heard the intel reports.
How about you Dan, making crap up as you write?
You mean the same U.N. that was monitoring the “Oil For Food” program and managed to let $5 billion dollars to slip out and pay bribes to countries like France, Germany and Russia to smuggle in supplies and equipment. That U.N.?
Or that the son of the U.N. was caught taking bribes from the Oil for Food program. That the same U.N. you talking about?
Yeah, we can really trust the U.N.
I don’t want to throw the towel in on Iraq. As much as I hate being there, leaving there will have very bad consequences for the USA. It will certainly allow Iran to become the dominant power in that part of the world and it will make the USA look weak and untrustworthy. Not to mention the huge amount of blood that will be spilled in Iraq the minute we say bye bye. But on the other hand I am honestly beginning to think that Bush has so screwed this up- from the minute he went in there on a pack of lies- and for 4 years since- that there may be no salvaging Iraq. It may be a lost cause at this point. I hope not and I hope that somehow we can still win but it is looking more and more bleak everyday.
Oh BS.
Maybe bush should have hired YOU instead of the blockhead Tenant then.
Iraqi scud.. a real threat to US national security..
Sheesh.. you teach a pig to sing.
Get real.. if you think a scud missile is a threat to the world, you are not arguing in a serious vein.
“I would like to point out that Senators Domenici and Snowe are both up for reelection in 2008.”
If Snowe is as smart as I think she might be, she needs to switch parties and join the Democrats. She is one of the few Republicans I would welcome.
Kev.
I would trade lieberman for Snowe anyday of the week
Only the dumb and gullible believe what Republican posts.
“They don’t use kilowatt based lasers illuminators anymore like we did in the 80s, it’s a multiple megawatt laser “painters.” “Posted by: Republican | June 06, 2007 at 05:51 PMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71946818
From Republican’s own link,http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601“… as opposed to the less-powerful kilowatt-class targeting laser test fired on the March 15 mission, said Dr. Roc White…”
I would trade Lieberman for a fifty pound bag of fertilizer – and y’all know what I mean.
WSClark,
Make sure it’s the composted type — fresh manure can damage plants.
How do you know when we won? History will tell. The US has fought in many wars that lasted for years. If we hadn’t won those our country would not exist as we know it now, and I think this country is great. Don’t you? Here is an interesting article about support for Bush from a Vail,CO newspaper.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863925/posts
Free Republic links are not allowed.
1. What wars did the US fight that “lasted for years?”
2. We knew we won in WW2 when the Germans, Italians and Japanese government surrendered. What government is going to surrender in Iraq?
3. Free Republic?! Sorry, no. I already took one shower today.
4. Have you fought in Iraq? If no, why not?
“So I guess your saying KenS that Clinton was full of crap when he passed the Democratization of Iraq into law?”
Yes Republican…..going all the way back to the Carter Administration, we’ve never had a good handle on Middle East policy. Repub or Demo…no one has done a good job, except for the fact that we’ve kept the oil flowing, which is a plus. But as for trying to establish responsible and stable governments that see the advantages of representative government and respect for the rule of law, its been a wash.
And enough of the hysterics about what happens when we leave Iraq. There’s enough weapons in the country for every man woman and child. The Iraqis are secularists, not jihadists. They tolerate Al-Quaeda now because they’re killing Americans, but when we’re gone, they’ll turn on them. So let them all take up arms and settle it themselves. As for Iran becoming the dominant power in the region, where have you been, the US and EU have been cowering before the Persians for a decade or more, all on account of their oil. Actually, it would be a good thing if Iran became involved in Iraq, the Iraqi Shiites are not anxious to be stooges for Iran. They’ll use the Iranians much as they have used the US to suppress the Sunnis, but they’ll eventually go their own way. There is no love lost between Arabs and Persians.
Well gee, Republican…for some guy who knows so much about the situation, I’ve been right on every single point since the war in Afghanistan started.
And I believe that would make you 0 for 199
Well gee, Republican…for some guy who knows so much about the situation, I’ve been right on every single point since the war in Afghanistan started.
And I believe that would make you 0 for 199
Posted by: political_mom | July 10, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Saying you’re right doesn’t mean you’re right, just means you ignore everything else anyone has to say.
Hehehe, yup, ain’t it the truth, P_Mom.
Weapons of Mass Destruction, tax breaks for “the poor,” Al Qaeda = Saddam, chocolates and flowers, HeckofaJob Brownie, Libby is innocent.
On every important issue, everything they say turns out to be wrong and everything we say turns out to be right.
And their only response is, who are you going to trust? Us or the terrorists?
Being RepubliCON means staring at the sun until your eyes blister and calling it night.
I wouldn’t trust Capn if I was hanging by a thread above Hell itself.
Saying you’re right doesn’t mean you’re right, just means you ignore everything else anyone has to say.
Posted by: Republican | July 10, 2007 at 11:24 PM
BAH! Now aint that the pot calling the kettle black!
You’re truly hopeless Con. Now salute to your Hitler like a good little puppet.
what is so funny is that repuklican lives off of disability programs because he “claims” to be a disabled vet. He never has spoken the truth but lives off of the very programs that his puppet boy would crush tomorrow if he could
True enough leave. And yesterday, he said he was coming to find me in his black escalade.
Now, how many folks on “disability” drive Escalades?
You need LOTS of scorecards to keep track of his lies. If anyone cares.
I say we just walk on by…
Great to see GOP Senators up for re-election (Domenici, Snowe, Hagel) staging an intervention to get Bush the Drunk to acknowledge reality in Iraq. Fat chance. But they know their political futures hang in the balance, and that the American people are sick of being lied to and have had more than enough of Bush.
Editor and Publisher, America’s Oldest Journal Covering the Newspaper Industry, has just posted an article on their web page titled, “Pro-Bush ‘Wichita Eagle’ Joins Those Calling for U.S. Pullout in Iraq.”Here is a link to the article.http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003611226