Newly released tapes and documents shed more light on President Nixon’s easy bigotry. He talked about bringing in a “house Jew” to “handle the bicentennial and all that nonsense.” When weighing whether to choose an Italian or African-American to be U.N. ambassador, Nixon said, “We don’t owe the blacks a damn thing, anyway.” Nice.
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What diversity means to Rhonda:
We need more women.
Nice.
You are just as bad as you are painting Nixon to be. The only difference is that you do not have a country to run.
We DO need more women and minorities. The representation doesn’t match our makeup.
Just goes to show, yet another strong republicon value.
Proudman,
Your post is amazing on so many levels.
First – you made up a “quote” for Holman that she neither said nor even implied. Then you attacked her made-up “quote,” and said her “quote” made her as ethically bad as Nixon. Finally, you attacked her competence for a job she’s not seeking by implying she doesn’t know better since she’s not the president.
It’s an incredible smearjob, Proudman. You’re almost as good as the nic-switching troll.
Seriously, though. Are you still such a Nixon defender that you’ll take any criticism of his administration and character as an opportunity to attack the messenger?
Is Nixon a guy worth making yourself look like an idiot over?
No, Tom – Proud is a serious libertarian – you know, one of those folks who is for people’s rights. Sometimes, it is just difficult to tell that.
Off Subject: I am an unaffiliated voter and the only robo-political call I got in 2006 was from the Libertarian party. Anybody else hear from them?
Steven,
I’m aware Proudman is a Libertarian. My criticism of his smear-job post wasn’t partisan; I didn’t mention or imply “Republican Party” at all. There was no reason for him to make up crap no one said and then attack them for it.
Yeah, that Nixon was really something, but next to Bush/Cheney….well, old tricky Dick doesn’t look so bad after all.
Now that Bush is down with Nixon in the polls, I wonder if he’s talking to the paintings too . . .
I see this pattern of making up a phony quote, attacking the phony quote, and then attacking the messenger of the phony quote, who never said it to begin with… I see this happening every day… Talk Radio, Fox News, Blog…
I have been on the WEblog for a couple of years. My so-called quote is my way of stating Rhonda’s position that we should have women in positions of power solely because they are women. She has articulated that in many ways on both the WEblog and in her print editorials. Another poster even took that position above.
What I am saying is that she is not any different than Nixon on this point.
Proudman,
Once again, you misquote and context-drop what others are posting. Political_mom didn’t say or even imply “soley because they are women.” She said the representation of women and minorities doesn’t match the population at large.
“…my way of stating Rhonda’s position…”
Wouldn’t a responsible poster let people state their _own_ positions? Your statement goes straight to the point of my original criticism of your 6:48 post.
Tom,
Political Mom did say that she wants more women and minorities solely on the basis that they are women and minorities. You should let her back up her advocacy of a quota-based system of representation.
As for Rhonda, she started a thread not to long ago about the so-called progress we have made by having some women in lofty positions. Which would be advocating having women in positions of power solely because they are female and calling it progress. Which is my critique of Rhonda.
Proudman,
If you re-examine the initial blog posting, there was nothing in it about quotas, about more women in office, or even in “lofty positions.”
The blog posting is about Nixon’s “easy bigotry.” The blog posting is about Nixon’s racist, anti-Semetic comments, and his utter vulgarity in describing his political opponents.
In response to this, you made up a quote, and said Holman is “just as bad as you are painting Nixon to be.” It’s smear, and worse, it’s dishonest smear.
And what Nixon said in private over 30 years ago is relevant as a blog topic because…?
Rhonda Holman: “Teeing it up for the irrational left”.
What diversity means to Rhonda: “Build an oven, round up the Christians.” There might be someone around who could criticize someone else for bigotry, but it wouldn’t be Rhonda Holman, the Eagle’s uber Nazi.
Outlander,
Did you even _read_ the ABC News article Holman referenced and linked to?
” By JOHN COCHRAN and JENNIFER PARKERJuly 11, 2007Numerous tape recorded conversations and tens of thousands of pages of sensitive, special files from President Richard Nixon’s administration were revealed Wednesday when the National Archives released the president’s previously private documents and tapes to the public.”
“ProudMan” –
(Or maybe that should be “Straw Man.”)
Just what part of the word “representation” do you not understand?
You conjure up the old right-wingnut buzz word “quotas” out of whole cloth, then attack it.
A pretty lame debating technique.
Gerrymandering and cronyism and the high cost of running a political campaign conspire to make the United States a non-representative democracy. “Quotas” don’t mean anything except as a measure of how the political process is purposefully constructed to favor business, the rich, and the white majority of the population.
If *representative* democracy means anything to you, if this nation is really supposed to be a government of, for, and by the *people* (that’s an old Republic Party concept, right?), the circumstances that result in under-represntation of women, minorities, the poor, et al, should be addressed.
Proudman, do all of us get to state what other poster’s positions are, or just you?
I would like to state that yours is bent at the waist grabbing ankles.
Tom — it acts like a disguise here… sort of reads like one too… just stuck on the same place on he broken record…
All you have to do to see who Holman appeals to are the pack of bigots who post in support of that hateful shrew. The Bitch of Belsen is alive and well and preaching to her acolytes of hate on a daily basis.
Heil Rhonda.
“bent at the waist grabbing ankles.”
Your mother would be proud, such a witty young storm trooper.
You reference that so well, is it a position you’re frequently familiar with.
My my my… somebody got up on he wrong side of the cave this morning… I cant see anything Left OR Right in Rhonda’s initial blog post… just straight down the center, using nothing but factual data from Nixon’s tapes… yip yip yip yee hawww
If condemnation of ethnic and racial slurs by a past President is somehow Liberal… then, to quote GWB, Bring it On!!! LOL
and now come the personal attacks of the hidden troll man!!! Oh, this is too good…. Couldnt have scripted this any better if I tried!!! ROFLMBO!!!
I see the ‘discussion’ has degenerated into something much less.
I’ll wait for those I’ve apparently been mis-representing to write something.
The rest of you should continue have fun interpreting my remarks as you see fit. Which is a nice demonstration of how two people can read the same words and come up with entirely different conclusions/impressions/meanings/etc.
Proudman… My reference was to “gentle ben”’s posting… But, I think this thread could be a most interesting discussion of the ways a former President flayed around haphazardly toward the end of his failed ship of state, doing his best to take the ship down with him… And, how it just darn near worked!!
ALSO Proud Man… Can you please show me, in the following, where you were finding any commentary on women’s rolls in anything, including government??
“Newly released tapes and documents shed more light on President Nixon’s easy bigotry. He talked about bringing in a “house Jew” to “handle the bicentennial and all that nonsense.” When weighing whether to choose an Italian or African-American to be U.N. ambassador, Nixon said, “We don’t owe the blacks a damn thing, anyway.” Nice.Posted by Rhonda Holman”
Thanks!!
On the other hand, IF you reference some different posting from Rhonda, please share it, as well…. Then we can all get on the same page here…
I remember vividly two Sunday afternoon visits to my home, following Sunday services, where I cautioned worshippers against making dumb idols out of political figures… The visitors were wearing black suits, white shirts, thin black ties, and carrying BIG sidearms… They suggested I might want to curtail my rhetoric, if I knew what was good for me… I quietly asked them to leave… Two months after those visits(and others like them to other clergy elsewhere) the dumb idol of the White House resigned the Presidency…
“Your mother would be proud, such a witty young storm trooper.You reference that so well, is it a position you’re frequently familiar with.Posted by: Gentle Ben | July 16, 2007 at 11:19 AM”
Must be a generational thing, but when you say storm trooper, I think Star Wars.
(in raspy Darth Vader voice): “The force is with you young Skywalker, but you are not a Jedi yet.”
Tricky Dick – a profane and brilliant man with a larcenous heart and a dark soul.
The moral of the story with Nixon, is never elect a President with floppy jowls.
chas.,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/legislature-nee.html
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/history-making
Stupid cut-n-paste
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/history-making-.html
OK — And those links mean what??
I think Kansas on the whole, is short of women legislators, compared to other states of similar size, and demographics… But I dont see Rhonda doing much here other than celebrating the ones who ARE in leadership currently…
I am still not real sure what the women’s issue has to do with this Nixon-era review post for today???
What is means is that Rhonda is more interested in a woman being in a position of power than the most qualified person; just like Nixon wanting a certain race or religious affiliation.
To be trite, it’s the pot calling the kettle black.
Hey, I am proud of you… you have at last made a connection to Rhonda’s post of TODAY with all you were talking about before!! Good job… whether I agree with you is not important at this point… I just wanted you to pull it all together!!
Thanks!!
See… thats the way we get communications to WORK on here…
Rhonda, Dems say the same things when out of earshot, and even if they are within earshot of a reporter, it wouldn’t get reported.
Why does this surprise anyone, what Nixon said. LBJ sold the whole package of equal rights and advancement of minorities to his KKK southern Democrates using this exact line. I quote “We will own these Ni**ers once we do this…” It’s true, the left does own them, and black people are still enslaved by their own kind.
Nobdody wants to help them, if they did they would make them get off their asses and get jobs instead of spreading babies all over the place that they do not take care of. LIKE SO MANY OF THEM DO! NOT ALL, BUT TOO DAMN MANY! The reason it pisses me off so bad is all the great black people I do know are forced to live with the stigma of what the rest of their race does!
I have 2 sons who are biracial, I can f*ing say it, because I see it, and live it! My ex-wife is an MD, African born black woman from Liberia, who makes over $400k/annually. She hates American blacks more than any KKK’r out there!
Now the liberal biased media has brainwashed every middle class suburban boy into wishing he was a thug from the hood, and every little girl can’t keep her legs together when one of these losers lays their bullshit on them! Breed down the white race, yeah, that will end racism! GIVE ME A F*ING BREAK!
God help us all!
FF–
Bullshit. Total bullshit.
Your wife isn’t from Africa. She doesn’t make 400K a year. She doesn’t badmouth American blacks. And Johnson never said “Dems would own blacks.”
What he DID say, and please note the LINK, is that “as he put down his pen [signing the 1964 Civil Rights Act into Law] Johnson told an aide, ‘We have lost the South for a generation.’”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Actually, he was optimistic. The Democrats lost the South for going on fifty years. The only two Democratic presidents since Johnson have both been Southerners.
Democrats sacrificed a lot to do what was right.
Debbie–
And I have seen little green men from Mars.
You can’t prove I’m wrong so it means I’m right.
History is simply repeating itself. GWB and Nixon are two peas from the same pod. And the same fate will befall GWB but Cheney is not Gerald Ford; so let’s all pray Cheney goes first.
And I have seen little green men from Mars.
You can’t prove I’m wrong so it means I’m right.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | July 16, 2007 at 07:07 PM
Sure you can say your wrong.
Martians are asexual.
Martians are asexual.
Posted by: Kansas | July 16, 2007 at 07:13 PM
And you know this how??? Oh, from experience?? How nice!!
Interesting to note here that Kansas is concerned about the martians’ sexual orientation.
The denial and bigotry on this blog from Holman’s Haters is simply stunning.
Chas,
“And you know this how??? Oh, from experience?? How nice!!”
Probably not. Kansas, the many-named LYING troll, usually just posts fabricated LIES.
Like his (REPUBLIKHAN’s) multiple, long-term LIES about the Sierra Club and the levees,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-713.html#comment-75802340
Nixon was just a stupid redneck Republican as most of them are. You’d expect better from educated people but I guess the old saying is true. you can take a Republican out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of a Republican.
How dare you Capn? How the f*ck would you know jack shit? If you want me to post a family portrait for you somehow, I will.
Is that what you do when anyone states something you don’t like, just say it must not be true?
As far as my ex, as psycho as she is, she is also an MD, I know, I F*ING PUT HER THROUGH MEDICAL SCHOOL!@#$%
FF–
Where’s the link to your Johnson quote?
Don’t have one?
Yeah, we knew that . . .
Rhonda, Dems say the same things when out of earshot, and even if they are within earshot of a reporter, it wouldn’t get reported.
Posted by: debbie jabara
Right on target.Liberals are baffled.
We don’ need no steekin proof.
Absence of proof is proof itself . . .
The Republican mind at work.
What do you think, that your Dems are saints? You think that your liberal politicians are polite and nice. I am sure they say offensive things against conservatives and christians. The only difference is that the liberal press doesn’t trumpet it from the rooftops. Why? because most of the press believe the same thing.
And just as one example: it was Drudge Report that broke the story of Clinton’s scandal when Newsweek refused to run it.
John_s
When you can point to a country club that admits blacks and Jews but DOESN’T admit white Christians, then we’ll talk.
Otherwise, save the “we’re so discriminated against” pity-party for your like-minded ignoramuses.
So you want a country club that reverse discriminates. Will that put an end to discrimination.
Just because some country club discriminates, doesn’t mean that journalists can hide the wrong doing of liberal politicians while at the same time demonizing conservative ones. That is just plain hypocracy.
Also a country club cannot shove their discriminatory values down peoples throats but liberal politicians can and have in the past done so while the press cheered them on.
Also a country club cannot shove their discriminatory values down peoples throats but liberal politicians can and have in the past done so while the press cheered them on.Posted by: john_s | July 20, 2007 at 09:37 PM
LOL, yeah well of course unless you’re on the business end of the discrimination you admit exists. Even though such an admission blows your whole “argument” all to hell and back.
cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo: it’s 3 o’clock in the morning of your residence in whatever passes for your local loony bin.
This guy cracks me up. He’s as incapable of an objective opinion as is Augustus Stupidus. Thing is, he’s hell bent on convincing everybody around him that the exact opposite is true: his is the ONLY objective opinion in a sea of subjectivity.
Dude, yer like a salmon.
There’s a certain purity about such guys, kinda like the scientist in The Thing From Outer Space (1953 version, which was far superior to John Carpenter’s 1982 version…which wasn’t bad at all). It’s all the way admirable right up to the point you’re actually required to examine it logically. And the big bad guy breaks your arm for you and your very Special and Precious opinion.
Then it’s HELLOO? City. As in, the capital of Canuck-a-loonystan.
LOL