"Looks like Texas is on the move to be as stupid as Kansas," a HoustonPress blog said last week about Texas Gov. Rick Perry (in photo) appointing conservative ideologue Don McLeroy to head the State Board of Education. "The expectation," the blog said, "is that McLeroy will lead the way into creationism in the upcoming board debate over state textbooks."
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Hoover was considered the worst ever, but looks like he’s being bested, it had to happen for Kansas, eventually!
Cons just don’t get it. Talk about hardheaded and unteachable.
We expel our BOE creationists, our Bible Thumpin’ AG, who all managed to make Kansas look like the 1700’s, and Texas Cons want to see if they have better luck?
What, Christian bashing in The Eagle? I’m shocked, shocked I say. Who would have expected such a view?
Der Sturmer rides again.
I wouldn’t laugh too hard at Texas yet. We’ll se it again here in Kansas. Those people (the fundies) won’t go away. I expect more pitched battles over control of the BOE. It will just go on and on.
Where, oh where is the FSM when you need him?
Neo-wackos: the new taliban experience. Supported by your local school board.
Well….Bush…Texas, big home of the christian right, why is anyone suprised. But they are more stupid then Kansans because there are more of them.
If Texas wants to go that road, they deserve the results. Maybe it’ll take the heat off Kansas still being in the Dark Ages.
Stumper,
Please have your neck shaved for your be-heading. We will arive shortly.
Signed,
The Christian Taliban
Why hasn’t anyone challenged Bush’s U.S. citizenship qualification to be prez? After all, isn’t Texas a whole nother country?
Jed,Texas is the only state in the union that has the power to secede from the union at will. Texas is also the only state flag that can be flown at the same height as the national colors.
Texas has always been much, much _stupider_ than Kansas.
Something tells me that the Texas Taliban might work in some of the more rural areas, but I dont think it will do much in Houston, or Metroplex, or even Amarillo/Lubbock, and San Antonio, and ElPaso…
If that kind of law happens, you might see Houston secede from Texas… and then where would Texas be?? LOL
Keep tryin Steven
Ann Richards was the last real governor of Texas. People forget that during the boom years, 1 in 4 jobs created in the entire NATION were created in Texas.
And now?
Crickets chirping.
Did anybody notice how Bush didnt order flags at half staff when Ladybird Johnson passed away?? Surely she was just as much of a great American as Gerald Ford??
I can still remember laughing so hard at Ann Richards’ speech at the Democratic Convention in 1988, when she said “George Bush — born with a silver foot in his mouth… LOL
With all due respect Steven, at least Texas hasnt let the american taliban rule things TWICE.
Yet.
I dont even think Lady Bird got an hour’s TV coverage on her funeral… let alone a whole week’s worth, for the only man in history to serve as VP and President, and never be elected to either office…
Well, maybe thats cause, KFG, they would have to do it in a minimum of 3 languages… if Houston is any indicator… LOL
I lived in Houston on Allen Parkway, just west of the Theater District, and all of the street signs were in English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Arabic, and Chinese…
XXX — There are ways to get the best of the Creationists… and, BTW, who is FSM??
chas., FSM=Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Another inflammatory article…
We sure don’t want to expose our children to anything but the evolution explanation. Gosh if we did that they would have to think. I cant imagine anything worse where people have to think and make decisions based on evidence or theory.
Once, many billions of years ago, there was a restaurant at the end of the Universe. Its owner’s name was Creator. Creator was lonely. So, he got in his ship one day, and set out for somewhere new.
One day, he came on a nice star, with a group of planets around it, and he liked the third planet from the star, cause it had a pretty silver disk floating around it.
He stopped on the silver disk, and said, This looks like a great place to plant a garden, and grow new things for my restaurant.
So, he reached into his robes, and pulled out his special wand… And he waved it over this third stone from the great star, and it turned a beautiful bluish green.
And then he thought that he should put some land masses on it.
And then he put some fish in the waters, and some large and small animals on the land. And he said, now I need some body to take care of it for me, and he waved his wand and created Mexico.
Because he knew that some day people from there would move to another place, and do jobs nobody else would want to do.
Then Creator said, I need more people, and more places. So he created women first, because they were objects of beauty. And then he created men, so the women would have somebody admire them, and help them do things in life.
And then Creator took out a smaller wand. And made children. To remind the man and woman what happens when they get too close together.
Then Creator made oranges, and put navels in them, to remind the people of the great Sun.
And then he made prunes, to remind them of great darkness.
And he made blue cotton candy, to remind them of the sky above.
And then he thought he was finished. But he didnt want the people to get too proud of themselves, or their world…
So, Creator made Cat, who just didnt give a damn.
And thats the way it happened. And thats the Truth, cause it was told to me late one nite in a wonderful vision that sits in a corner of my house.
And nobody can prove it didnt happen…
And when the people come from the school of Intelligent Design, now you have a story to tell them, that they cant prove, and you can tell in your red brick buildings called schools, and then cant change it cause they cant prove you wrong.
I found this polling information very interesting. According to polls, nationally, a substantial majority of people want creationism taught alongside of evolutionary theory.
In Kansas, we hadn’t even come close to that. Our standards required teaching evolution and only mentioning criticisms of the theory. So the majority of people are much more conservative than the Kansas standards.
This being the case, IMO the last Kansas BOE election was likely a referendum on personalities such as Connie Morris, and not about teaching the criticisms of evolution. And since they have majority support, movements to include teaching the criticisms of evolution are likely to continue to expand.
http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm
Thanks much Vaughn T
boring…
Ahh yes, the FSM, yet another alternative to the story of the Great Creator — also impossible to disprove…
Kansas, I forgot to ask you, but how many university degrees do you hold?
graduate and undergraduate.
So… that would be 2??
Yes Chas or I would have only put in one entry.
Well, I wasnt sure — I also have graduate and undergraduate, but 3 degrees.. Thats why I asked..
Chas.. The pastor for hire that supports abortion and denounces creationism.
And do you have ANY idea why you are out of work chas?
boring…
Posted by: Kansas | July 24, 2007 at 08:35 AM
Yet you keep coming back.
What an odd little man you are.
Sure do Sol… it will be solved soon enough… I go through this down time every time I change locations… its part of the territory…
But you know what Sol??? Its too damned early for personal attacks… so, just knock it off, ok??
Well Chas I have two associate degrees, but I don’t consider those marketable and usually don’t count them as degrees and only list them on my resume as a chronological entry, not for educational reference.
I tell you what, Sol, Go out and buy you a copy of a book, The Power of Myth, by Joseph Campbell, and Bill Moyers… It is FULL of all kinds of Creation stories… ALL kinds…
And why dont you get it right for a change… I denounce the teaching of Creationism in the Public Schools, by teachers not qualified/certified to teach religion…
That would be the normal procedure, Kansas…
Unless they are Associate Degrees in a specific trade or vocation… Then they can be listed with all the others…
And you know what else, Sol??? My employment situation is really none of YOUR business, nor is it the business of this Blog…
How is that a personal attack? A pastor who supports abortion and denounces creationism – and I think you posted at some point that you were Christian, or at least work for some brands of Christian churches.
With a profession that you have posted several times, beliefs that you post on, it would seem to relate that a ‘Christian’ pastor with your values is an anomaly and the fact that you are having a problem finding work becomes apparent.
When you interview for a position with a Christian church, do you let them know beforehand how you feel about abortion and creationism?
And you know what else, Sol??? My employment situation is really none of YOUR business, nor is it the business of this Blog…
Posted by: chas. | July 24, 2007 at 09:02 AM
Then why did you post it on a public blog?
Yeah Chas,
European History and Humanities Associates Degrees aren’t readily marketable to a trade or vocation. That’s why I never list them.
I took the European History curriculum while I was in Europe, so I could understand Europe from the historical sense. There were a couple of classes that were very good. One included an in depth tour of the Maginot Line and the other “unknown” facilities of the third Reich era. Both were educational and quite interesting.
The Third Reich History class was a non credit class, but we went to a lot of facilities built before and during WWII – was fascinating how much was built and still remained in very good condition.
Most people in the US are rational enough and logical enough to reject the myth of evolution. Especially as it pertains to humans.
Unfortunately, the ten percent of the population that refuses to believe in the Creator are in charge of our institutions of higher learning.
That being said, the last thing that I want as a Christian is the same people that can’t teach ‘Johny’ to read and now refuse to even teach cursive in school teaching my children about creation.
I would be satisfied if they just acknoledged that evolution is merely a theory that gives comfort to the less faithful amongst us.
Hank
Then why did you post it on a public blog?
Posted by: SolDevVB | July 24, 2007 at 09:05 AM
It’s one thing for ME to post it on a Blog…But its quite another for YOU to post it, along with your own commentary about certain of my beliefs… as if to suggest my employment status might have something to do with my beliefs??
Boy howdy, you would have a SHOCK of a time in our denomination…
Hank, for as long as I can remember, Evolution has ALWAYS been taught as a Theory…
Because that’s what it has always been… I cant figure out where all of this hype over evolution comes from anyway… There is more than one way to look at the world… Anybody who cant see that, needs some re-education somewhere along the line…
Chas,
And you’ve already stated that you work for multiple denominations. So what exactly is your denomination? Which Christian denomination supports abortion? Denounces creationism?
You posted information about your ‘profession’, your values, and your status. If you don’t want them discussed, don’t ’share’ them.
Hank (and the rest of the evolution naysayers),
Here’s a test for you on theories. Go stand on the rim of the Grand Canyon and jump, then come back and tell me about the “mere theory” of gravity.
SOL THAT is none of your business… See, you just cant let it go, can you?? However, you might be very surprised to know how many denominations are Pro Choice… Maybe you ought to get out in the real world more…
I’ve got a BA and an MA, both from top 20 schools, and this is the most narrow minded bunch of crackers I’ve ever seen.
To answer the question, unless Texas has bigoted hateful rags like this one, they couldn’t possibly be as stupid.
This filthy propaganda rag day in, and day out, gins up more hate than the KKK, the White Aryan Resistance and the American Nazi Party combined.
As for Chas. You’re a fraud. You don’t believe in the basic tenets of your faith and you want them to give you a paycheck? What a complete absence of integrity.
It’s one thing to be a bigot like most of these jerks, but you actually want the victims of your bigotry to pay you. If there’s one honest bone left in your body, you’ll look for work in a different profession.
RD,
Maybe because it is the LAW of gravity???
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Orbits/newtongrav.html
Embarrassed of your denomination. Will work for just about any denomination. Huh.
RD,
Two words -
Hang Gliding :D
How would YOU know the tenets of my faith??? I guess youre like the rest of these folks here… narrow minded as any of them, eh??? MY denomination is not closed minded… MY denomination supports Pro Choice, and a lot of other things you would probably not agree with… So, dont tell ME I am a bigot!!! Idiots!!!
OK Sol, since you are such a brilliant genius…. What the hell is YOUR line of employment??? Want to enlighten us??? Or any of the rest of you for that matter…. And if you are unemployed, does it have anything to do with what you do or do not believe???
Ah, sorry, I thought it was a Christian denomination.
You see, 4th Reich, you dont even know what denomination I am part of and you DARE call me a Bigot???? You are a RARE duck indeed, top 20 school or not, doesnt mean you have an ounce of common sense…
And just who the Sam Hill are YOU to determine who is and who isnt a Christian??? Who died and made YOU GOD??? Why dont you go back to one of your top 20, and grovel in some books???
Raises hand!
I can figure that out Chas from SolDevVB’s name. :D
“Keep tryin Steven.”
Thanks for the encouragement. I doubt if it is worth it, though.
Why not let Sol answer for him/her self???
Incidentally, speaking of bigotry, doesn’t that part about the “Favored Races” in the title (the real title) of Darwin’s give you a little shudder? Or is racial bigotry a part of your make-up as well as religious intolerance/bigotry.
I have posted several times that I write software, I live in Michigan, and I am currently enjoying an open ended contract.
Would my job be in jeopardy because of my beliefs? I think not.
I am a non-practicing Catholic that no longer follows the politics of that faith, but still believes in the core values.
So what denomination is so open minded? If that faith supports your values, it would seem you would be proud of it.
I believe it is called The Origin of the Species…. dont recall anything at all about races…
SOL, there are numerous denominations that are open minded… on Pro Choice, Gay Rights, Same gender unions, or marriages… LOTS of them around… Try looking some time…
So Hank, that would be why Kansas, con of all con states, booted the creationists out of office…because the majority supported their position?
You have posted that you will take money from several denominations. But never which you are. I showed you mine….
And ummmm Sol, one of the COREST of the Core Values of Catholicism is the attendance at Holy Eucharist… and yet you are a non-practicing Catholic…
Isnt that sort of oxymoronic??
You can ask an Anthropology Professor about this, but the current theory is that there is no such thing as race as we currently define it.
It has more to do with socialization localities and culture than it does with skin melanin.
Since I’ve not taken the course nor understand the concepts, one would have to go to a qualified source for explanation.
“Who died and made me God”
No one died and made me God. Christ died and there is a widely accepted book of the beliefs that comprise what it means to be called a Christian. It’s called the Bible and some of us believe that it came from God and is his word.
Also, did the word idiot pop up in a lot of your sermons?
I think Chas mentioned UCC once, which is extremely liberal on a lot of issues. It is one of the favorite choices of Churches for Gays that I’ve read.
My denomination is a part of a Consortium of denominations… we all work together, in supplying our churches with clergy… I have even listed those denominations on this Blog before… We have what we call a Formula for Agreement between the PresbyterianUSA, the United Church of Christ, The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and the Reformed Church in America…
In addition to those, The UCC and the Disciples of Christ have their own shared ministries programs, as do the Lutherans and the Episcopal Church…
Chas,
The core values – the Devine Trinity, do unto others – but you knew that right?
Do you hustle Catholic Churches too or are they pretty much on to you?
And I must have missed it, you still haven’t told us what this open minded faith is that supports your beliefs. Are you ashamed of it?
The subtitle to the Origin of the Species is “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, Or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”
Whoops, cross post.
And so you seem to accept that Bible book as LITERAL, right??
I cannot recall EVER hearing or reading anything about Darwin being a particularly “racist” individual… If he was, then I would be most surprised… Perhaps you might want to shed some light on that idea, if you have any to shed???
The Bible book. Spoken like a TRUE Christian.
Do you believe in God Chas? Do you believe in Christ?
The subtitle to the Origin of the Species is “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, Or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”
Posted by: Wichita, home of the Fourth Reich | July 24, 2007 at 10:11 AM
In Roman Catholicism, the Scraments are the Means of Grace, which I assume you already know… if you are non practicing, then you are saying you exclude yourself from those Means of Grace… And there isnt any need for sarcasm… You know full well that nobody but a Priest is allowed to say Mass or hear confessions in the Catholic Church…
So, what is your problem with the simple fact that MY faith, and MY church is different from yours??? The protestants have been different from the Catholics since 1519!!
News Flash…. That doesnt make Catholics or Protestants right or wrong… just different approaches….
Thank you for the list of denominations. All those, and you still can’t get a job?
The reason all of those denominations are getting together is that they’re shrinking as more and more people become aware of who exactly has taken over. Many have tried to find decent clergy and leave with their buildings, but the heretical libs in charge of the bureaucracies are essentially stealing their buildings from them. The worst example being the bimbo currently over the Episcopal hierarchy.
Hmmm, still no response to the Favoured Races bit, aside from Chas’ ignorance.
You don’t even know what the title of the book is yet you know that anyone who doesn’t fully buy into it is wrong. What a sucker list. That’s why the school board changed. Bigots like Brownlee told you they were wrong and you goose stepped right along behind him. Heil Brownlee, Heil Wichita, the Fourth Reich lives.
Chas, I think you’re a good man. You know full well you won’t beat any sense into those who profess to know the secrets of the bible and use that to expand their assaults on the rest of us who are damned to eternal hellfire for living in reality.
I think Darwin’s use of the term ‘race’ in his book would be more akin to ’species’ than our current useage. It is species that survived or went extinct over the millennia.
Chas,
You don’t need to defend your faith from anyone, especially the asswipes here who are attacking you _for_ your faith. It’s not up to them or anyone else to tell you how you honor the message of God and Christ that your church and your faith find true.
Ignore them.
All of OUR congregations own their own buildings — In some of the others, the local congregation holds the property of the local church in “trust” for the rest of the denomination… such as the episcopal church, and the United Methodist Church… If you dont feel comfortable in your denomination, leave it, instead of trying to bring down some kind of fundamentalist wrath on the rest of the believing world…. We choose to interpret the faith as we see it… just the same as YOU do… That puts us in agreement on at least one thing…
Hey, Fourth, if you think Wichita is so bad, you should see other areas of the country where the white sheets still make an appearance now and then… Thats when its time for shaking in one’s boots…. it is not a pretty site…
So when Ernst Haeckel, the widely accepted 19th century evolutionary theorist drew pictures of the evolutionary development of man and had gorillas with the faces of Jews and blacks farther down the evolutionary hierarchy you don’t thin that referred to race, Ben?
Of course, 4th Reich, maybe YOU are one of these strange ducks who want to see some kind of “religious laws” passed to force everybody to subscribe to the same beliefs as YOU have… We tried that once, it was called the Inquisition… didnt work too good for anybody… especially for the Church who imposed it on the world… Sort of like Islamic Radicalism in the Middle East…
Chas,… It’s not up to them or anyone else to tell you how you honor the message of God and Christ that your church and your faith find true.…Posted by: Tom | July 24, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Yeah, from that ‘Bible Book’
TOM — P-MOM — Thanks for your words… But there has now come a time for those of us who dont share the narrow minded fundamentalist views, to stand up and make ourselves known… If we dont, then there will be nobody to stand up for US when they come for US… Remember Bonhoeffer…
Fourth Reich,
If you’re going to trot out discredited “scientists” from 150 years ago, and use them to attack today’s knowledge, you should live the way people lived then. Get rid of your computer, your car, your electricity, natural gas, and running water. Replace every convenience in your home with nothing but things made in the “late 19th century.” Cancel your cable subscription, boycott grocery stores, and walk everywhere you need to go.
Unless of course you understand we don’t live in the “late 19th century” anymore, and any rational discussion of modern science will be in the CONTEXT of modern science.
Now thats just silly…. How the heck would Haeckl or anybody else, know what a Jew looks like apart from anybody else??? Good grief…
Like millions of others, I did leave, Chas. And the point has been made that you people have embraced as truth a book and a theory that you have little to no knowledge of and you ridicule those who do as ignorant idiots when you aren’t even aware of the title of the book that holds your alleged beliefs. No wonder Hitler was so successful.
Thank you, I think my work is done here today bye-bye Nazi folk. I’ll come again. You can bray like the ignorant asses you are now. Bye-bye.
And oh, 4th Reich… YOUR church wouldnt be acceptant of any Jews who held to Judaism, now would it??? Because THEY dont believe in the Book the way YOU do either… You better stop on the race baiting while you still can here…
Oh, sorry, I can’t resist. chas, no one is coming for you. That’s why you’re unemployed.
Bye bye.
Well, dont hurry back… We dont need the American Taliban in these here parts!!
Good grief… what do these yahoos think I should be doing, when I am between Calls??? Mowing lawns for a living???
Mercy sakes… That 4th Reich had a somewhat familiar tone in the typing, and in the ad homninems… I wonder who that might be lurking around with such a disgusting name…
It has often been said that God wants us producing spiritual fruit — NOT religious nuts… LOL
SolDevVB: No, both of those are urban legends.
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texasflag.asphttp://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp
Chas–
As a regular post-er here on the WEBlog these days, I wonder if you will join me in granting permission for the webmaster to verify if we’re posting under other nics?
RepubliKhansas refuses to give permission. This is strange because he always insists, nay PROMISES, that he NEVER nic-switches.
So if we all give permission and he doesn’t, that will pretty much tell us who the nic-switcher and sock-puppet master is, won’t it.
I have no problem with that CapN… I use the same email address for everything… I wouldnt necessarily want personal identity going out to just anybody on the Blog, but as far as what you are asking, its fine with me… Tell Phil, I said its OK with me…
Ummm CapN… just yesterday, he said he changes nics whenever he feels like it… LOL… go figure…
Well Capn, I use a utility that puts out fake email addresses. The purpose of this is to track who is sending me spam mail. Once I find out who the generator of the spam email is, I deny those IPs and put filters ons for those Websites I visit.
What it does is generate a fake email address, but it forwards the contents to my real email address(es).
It’s encrypted email and the latest rage. You should try it.
Why are you all feeding the trolls?
Whatever happened to walk on by?
My kid posted on here one nite using this email… she is pk(short for preachers kid)
Karen.
Ya popped my damn bubble. Thanx for setting me straight though. Cheers.
CapN, it might not be possible, if he actually has such “tools” and really thinks he needs them… especially for a Blog!!
Chas–
I think he probably can change his IP address. That’s why The Eagle hasn’t been able to ban him.
BUT, here’s the important part, changing his IP address would slow him down.
If he had to fool with his computer settings every time he posted as a sock puppet (”Wow, great post, Kansas. You’re a genuis.” BG), it would be cumbersome.
Also, after awhile he’d forget to do it and then The Eagle could expose him.
IF he gave permission . . .
“Most people in the US are rational enough and logical enough to reject the myth of evolution. Especially as it pertains to humans.Unfortunately, the ten percent of the population that refuses to believe in the Creator are in charge of our institutions of higher learning.That being said, the last thing that I want as a Christian is the same people that can’t teach …HankPosted by: Hank Price | July 24, 2007 at 09:23 AM “
Hank,A couple clarifications:Are you saying that Christians ‘reject the myth’ of evolution?Are you saying that 10% of the population is not Christian?Are you saying that only non-Christians believe evolution to be true?
RD,
I’m afraid that I won’t take up your little experiment, but thanks for the offer.
But, since you brought it up. . .
The ‘universal law of gravity’, althought like evolution, is being taught in school as a ‘fact’ even though it might be more flawed than the ‘theory of evolution’.
You assume that just because I would fall to my death if I jumped into the Grand Canyon that proves the theory of gravity. Are you really that simplistic? I think not.
It seems that the more we study gravity the less we know. Physicists are having a problem incorporating the current theory of gravith into the ‘unified field theory’, or the ‘theory of everything’ (TOE).
It now appears that there is more to the gravitational force than mass and distance. There now seems to be an ‘energy density’ component that explains many of the past problem unable to be explained by the old theory.
Hank
I have no problem with that CapN… I use the same email address for everything… I wouldnt necessarily want personal identity going out to just anybody on the Blog, but as far as what you are asking, its fine with me… Tell Phil, I said its OK with me…
*****
Good man.
If we all go on record as requesting to be “outed” for disruption and nic-switching, and the TROLL doesn’t, we finally have proof positive to the Nathan’s and the GMC70’s and the outlander’s who refuse to hold RepubliKhansas accountable because of his CON views.
SolDV, to his credit, has already denounced the TROLL for what it is.
Hmmm Hank… do you listen to Coast to CoastAM too??
Well, Sol has seemingly been siding with the Troll a lot today… LOL
CapN… question… How would I let you or Tom know my email address, so you could email me direct?? I suppose that would be tricky, huh??
I’m game. Check away. I don’t have a super decoder encrypted email IP addy changer either, so I should be easy.
Posted by: SolDevVB | July 24, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Dear brian,
Happy to clarify.
Are you saying that Christians ‘reject the myth’ of evolution?
No I believed I said that, “Most people in the US are rational enough and logical enough to reject the myth of evolution.”
However, I know that most Christians reject evolution, including me.
Are you saying that 10% of the population is not Christian?
No. I have no idea what percentage of the population is not Christian. I do know that many atheists or agnostics believe in intelligent design.
Are you saying that only non-Christians believe evolution to be true?
No.
Hank
Chas,
I don’t ’side’ with anyone. I think for myself and call a spade a spade.
OK Sol…
No I believed I said that, “Most people in the US are rational enough and logical enough to reject the myth of evolution.”
However, I know that most Christians reject evolution, including me.
Hank, you might want to check some stats on that one…
Chas I am curious about what you do believe in. You don’t believe in the sanctity of life, you don’t believe that God created this world we live on. Do you believe that Jesus is the son of the living God?
We will never solve the difference of opinion on evolution or abortion on this blog so I won’t even try.
I guess my question is what do you really believe in. You seem to be out of work a lot. Do your interviewers pick that up from you. I just have never met a preacher with no core beliefs.
As to your statement about “mowing lawns” if you are unable to get a preacher gig, and your family has needs, why not?
I wonder what these creationist textbooks will say, “Dinosaurs are the devil’s deception, a magic man really created everything 6,000 years ago regardless of what all those doctors and scientists say with their big city science.”
To solve the problem creationism should just be banned throughout the nation. It’s a con to make stupid people feel smart and to make smart people dumb while creating an entire mockery of science. I’m sure the stupid people will disagree but there’s a reason why they’re stupid.
Why dont you just make up my own beliefs for me, it would be much easier for you to put me down then… I have never said I dont believe God created the universe… Wherever did you ever come up with that big whopper?? You really must learn to read, and in context too…
And did you also miss that part where I said I have “down time” between calls every time?? I am not unemployed in the sense that I cannot find a job… I am simply BETWEEN JOBS, as I know post here for at least the THIRD time…
For allof your zealousness to be so freely unaccepting of the beliefs of others, you cant even read postings properly!!
Give me a break, and back under your rock!!
KsGrm… We are NOT of the same denominational faith… So dont even try to make it like YOU are right, and I am Wrong, since I do not now, nor never will I agree with you on religion… Why cant you just keep your beliefs to yourself…
That is the entire point of not allowing creationism, or intelligent design into the schools… Keep your religion at the church house, and your science at the school house…
Now be done with it!!
KsGrm, YOU can hold to whatever beliefs you want… You just dont need to put down MY faith, because it is different from yours… Would you do the same to a Jewish person?? Or to a Hindu Person??? Or to a Unitarian person??? Or to a Wiccan??
Why, yes, I do believe you would… LOL
Dear caha.,
I’m pretty comfortable with the ’stats’.
There was a poll early last year that found 68% of Kansans did not believe man was descended from apes. They believe we were created.
I would imagine that 68% were mostly Christian.
You, however, are welcome to check any ’stats’ you want.
I believe that 80% of Americans are too bsy to give much attention to evolution, one way or another.
I believe that less than 20% of Americans care how their candidates believe about evolution.
I believe that less than 5% of Americans are athiests.
I believe that more than 90% of all Statistics are either irrevelant or made up.
Hank
Thats real good about that ape thing, Hank… Cause not even DARWIN ever said that LOL… So, I would hope the percentage would be higher than 68%… pretty low actually…
You know, Hank, a LOT of religions believe we were Created… but not all of them are so limited as to how they interpret the Process of Creation… They have no need to put it into some nice neat little box, with all the edges measured with strict exactness… MANY religions, that dont even know anything about Christianity believe in Creation… of one kind or another…
That is why I listed the book I listed earlier…The Power of Myth, by Joseph Campbell, and Bill Moyers… Moyers, by the way, is of the same denomination that I am… and he just spoke at our national convention…
I fail to see why you need to make all of your posts regarding evolution/creation, such an exaggerated either/or production… Your assumption is that most of that 68% is Christian… But, you also say 80% dont give a darn much one way or the other… Isnt that a bit of a mathematical difficulty???
And if less than 20% even care about how their candidates believe on evolution/creation, that is a significant number…
I dont know about atheists… but I hear tell that you dont find many in fox holes, or on cancer wards…
I used to live in Texas – the CORRECT heading should be is Kansas as stupid as Texas?
That’s tough to top – the state’s full of obnoxious, egotistical morons.
My religion thinks the gods created man for their amusement.
If the Christian theory of creation is taught in public, government funded schools, my religion’s belief had better be taught too!
Will the textbooks teach the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory or Raelian theory on creation? Both are just as plausible as the stupid, unscientific notion that the planet is 6,000 years old.
If one religion’s theory is taught, all must be taught. Plausibility of religious dogma is outside the jurisdiction of the Government.
The decision to teach creation in school is binary: allow none or allow all.
Any attempt by the government to decide that one religious theory would be taught instead of another would infringe on the First Amendment.
You are absolutely right brian… and see, I am not ever going to ask you what your religion is…
Thanks,Likewise :)
Dear brian, doug,
I absolutly agree! I think my opening post on this thread stated the last thing I would want is for creation taught in public schools.
I wish they’d just teach spelling better for heaven’s sake.
Dear brian, doug,
I absolutly agree! I think my opening post on this thread stated the last thing I would want is for creation taught in public schools.
I wish they’d just teach spelling better for heaven’s sake.
Spelling, grammar, and problem solving skills.And eating manners.
Oh yeah, and Respect for others.
brian, you beat me to it on the list of academic subjects. Of course, one could interpret your response as wishing grammar would be better taught, but that presumes it is taught at all (at least in USD 259), which, insofar as I’m able to ascertain, is not the case at least in the elementary schools
I must say that “eating manners” should be primarily the province of home, but the schools should try to reinforce the same. One does wonder if the relatively short lunch periods have adverse affects on manners.
Respect for others can be reinforced at the school, but again, that starts at home.
“Did anybody notice how Bush didnt order flags at half staff when Ladybird Johnson passed away?? Surely she was just as much of a great American as Gerald Ford??
Posted by: chas. | July 24, 2007 at 08:04 AM ”
Do some fact checking Chas:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070712-7.html
Death of Lady Bird JohnsonA Proclamation by the President of the United States of America
?Remembering Lady Bird Johnson (1912-2007)As a mark of respect for the memory of Lady Bird Johnson, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, that on the day of her interment, the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset on such day. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same period at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twelfth day of July, in the year of our Lord two thousand seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-second.GEORGE W. BUSH
What’s stupid about Creationism? A majority of Americans refuse to give credence to random, purposeless, Godless evolution.I’m a Creation, and the Earth, Sun, planets, and Universe were put here for my eternal benefit. I kind of like things that way.
Ah yes…
Evolution.
Based on the premise that life just suddenly came into existence from nothing…
Based on the premise that the Universe came into existence from nothing…
Yet we are the ones called names, belittled, and listening to doug are even supposed to be silenced?
It is not that I want Creation taught in the schools.
I would like to start with an honest discussion on Evolution.
Nathan,You would not consider a discussion on evolution ‘honest’ unless it concluded that evolution was invalid.
How could you have an honest discussion about it if you have already made up your mind of the outcome?
Brian,
I guess that goes for you too then?
Gee, all these creation myths. My personal favorite is the Jain model that states that there is no creator and the universe was never created, but has always been, going through cycles of expansion and contraction “oceans of septillions of years” long. Jibes quite well with various oscillating universe and “cosmic clap” theories popular among cosmologists.Oh, and Hank, gravity is nicely explained by all the superstring theories. Roger Penrose has recently published a much simplified version of superstring that seems to adequately unite the others. Try reading it!
Parkay supports astrology because it makes him feel better that the stars and planets all revolve around him. Nathan doesn’t like evolution because he has a gut feeling but doesn’t really understand it.
Is my initial point that creationism’s purpose is to make stupid people feel better actually wrong? Not according to these two examples.
I certainly don’t hope Nathan is actually going to try to argue the subject since for months he has done a piss poor job. There has never been any scientific evidence support creationism therefore the subject belongs in mythological studies, not in a science class.
Doug,
I see you are going straight to the label of Stupid.
Is your argument that anyone who believes in Creation is Stupid?
I happen to know a neurosurgeon and physicist who would disagree.
But, I know it is simple for you to just label those who disagree as stupid.
Once again, if you missed it, it is not my intention to argue for creation to be taught in school.
Doug,Nathan’s gut feeling might respond better to Colace than Creationism.
Oh contraire Nathan,I am open to, and do thoroughly enjoy any scientific debate. I am also trained in scientific method and am open minded on most all topics. Anytime someone can present a logical argument that disproves any of my viewpoints, I am certainly willing to concede that. I enjoy learning more than being right.
And I like long, moonlit walks on the beach :)
Wow, what a heated debate!I personally believe GOD created everything. I just can’t grasp the “big bang theory”. The world is just too complex for “chance”.But that is just me.Fortunatly I only have to answer for me when I die!To each his own….
Yes Nathan, anyone who believes the Earth and universe isn’t older than 10,000 years is stupid. The mere fact that I had to repeat myself is a good sign of how dumbed down creationists are.
I love science. It does nothing but reinforce my belief in the Creator.What I grow weary of are those in the scientific community who are biblically illiterate. Thoroughly study the scriptures and then come to me with you evolutionary beliefs.
“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”-Robert Jastrow
Nathan,
How can you not EXPECT to be called ’stupid’ when you make moronic statements like this?:
“Evolution.
Based on the premise that life just suddenly came into existence from nothing…”
You’d think by now you’d run out of straw. . .
We shall know when the Facist arrives… He will come wrapped in a flag, carrying a Cross…
- para. Sinclair Lewis -
Evolution does not attempt to answer the question of WHY we are… only HOW we are… Leave the WHY to the theologians, and the HOW to science, and the world will work out just fine!!
We only have problems, when the WHY wants to control/nullify the HOW!!
And just by chance….”The near circular orbit of our largest planet, Jupiter, actually promotes the stability of circular orbits among the other eight planets, simulations have found. If Jupiter were in an eccentric orbit, Earth and Mars would have been flung out of the solar system long ago…. The existence of intelligent life may depend on Jupiter and Earth being in mutually stable orbits.”
- Sky and Telescope, March 1998, pg. 37
Hey chas.! We only have problems when we don’t completely, thoroughly, unabashedly seek the truth.
What confuses me the most is how most of you assume that ’science’ (big bang, primordial soup, evolution, etc) and creationism are mutually exclusive!
If there is a creator that is omnipotent, couldn’t they have consciously, knowingly, and purposefully created the big bang to create the universe to create the solar system to create the earth to create the chemical-laden seas to create simple organisms to evolve into multi-cellular organisms to evolve into fishes to evolve into mammals to evolve into man?
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