A new White House reporton Iraq shows mixed results, with some progress in meeting about half of 18 benchmarks set by Congress. President Bush called for more time, saying in a press conference today that by September, "we hope to see further improvement in the positive areas and further improvement in the negative areas."
But Bush’s optimism wasn’t shared by CIA Director Michael Hayden when he met with the Iraq Study Group last November, reported Bob Woodward of the Washington Post. Hayden said then that "the inability of the government to govern seems irreversible" and that he could not "point to any milestone or checkpoint where we can turn this thing around."
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Yeah let’s all make our national policy rely on Bob Woodward, a mediocre journalist who got lucky one day when he got “deep-throated” into fame.
Do you think Bush is actually going to trust with blind abandon another CIA Director after what George Tenant did to him? I don’t think so.
Better a “mediocre journalist” than that absolute disaster we have in the White House. You might note that it was CIA Director Michael Hayden who said it is a disaster.
Ben-
you might note that Haydens remarks were last November.
However, while important progress may be made, I doubt that it will be enough. We need plans to scale back, and eventually eliminate, our involvement
That is true lj – and things have gone downhill since.
“we hope to see further improvement in the positive areas and further improvement in the negative areas.”
I hope to find a suitcase full of money on the way home tonight, so what.If anyone in the world has power to make the required benchmarks happen it is the President of the USA. If noone would be able to accomplish those benchmarks, we need to get the heck out.
This long list of announcements made monthly by Bush since January would be funny… IF the situation over there wasn’t so serious.
‘Benchmark On The March’http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/5/24413/63206
We’re all still waiting on the empowered Democrats who recently won election to end this war.
Evidently they don’t have the will or desire to do so.
Perhaps the dailykos has a plan or do they just print up more of their spew to lure their faithful clueless into thinking that just believe us, we are the impotent Democratic source of power.
“We’re all still waiting on the empowered Democrats who recently won election to end this war.”
This is the ‘Progress in Iraq, or irreversible slide?’ thread. Troll your ‘exit strategy’ and stupid insults elsewhere.
Re: Iraq’s oil law.
‘Benchmark On The March’http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/5/24413/63206
Sources of their “spew” are:http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-7.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070214-2.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070319.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070420-6.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070502-2.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070628-14.htmlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070703-6.htmlhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070704/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Agt80blzPRhJ_1aUG5RprKOs0NUE
There will be a bloodbath in Iraq.
Count on it. Bet on it.
It’s alread started and it will continue.
When America finally removes troops from the middle of the civil war, Americans will stop dying in the crossfire. Today, tomorrow, next year, ten years from now, there *will* be a bloodbath.
George WMD Bush simply does not want to be in office when it happens for good. The Republic Party hopes against hope the bloodbath will show up on television when Shrub is out of office; that way, they can bray, “Who lost Iraq?!”
Fact is: George WMD Bush ruined Iraq long before it was “lost.”
Until the end of World War I there was no such thing as an “Iraqi.” It’s an artifical construct. There are more Shi’ites than Suni Muslims within the artificial borders we call “Iraq,” and there are far more Shi’ites and Sunis than Kurds within the artificial post-WWI-construct called “Iraq.”
Absent an overpowering dictatorship, those three factions will have to establish their own borders, societies, and governments. In the process, a lot of people will be killed.
So why do Americans have to be among those killed?
The only-est reason now is because George WMD Bush put Americans in the crossfire.
If the United States of America had spent 12 Billion dollars a month to free this nation from dependence on Middle East oil, what’s happened and what will inevitably happen in Iraq would be a non-issue.
But no. Under the stewardship of George WMD Bush, 3,500 Americans are dead and untold American are maimed for life, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead and maimed — at the price of 12 Billion taxpayers’ Dollars a month — to what end?
Today, tomorrow, ten years from now (at 12 Billion Dollars of American taxpayers’ money per month), there will be a bloodbath in that part of the world now known as “Iraq.”
Just how much money, and how many lives, are the so-called “conservatives” willing to sacrifice to the legacy of George WMD Bush?
Half a trillion dollars? Ten thousand American lives?
Tell me, Bushies: What is your limit? When will it be too many of your tax dollars? When will it be too many of your sons’ and daughters’ lives?
I’ll admit. I’m excatly what you people characterize as the “cut and runners.” Because I know that “Iraq” will ultimately turn out to be a bloodbath between religious maniacs, and it should not be America’s fight.
Let’s get America out of Iraq today, tomorrow, soon! That’s my proposal.
What’s yours, Bushites? How much money, how many lives, and what is your rationale for postponing the inevitable?
“…wasn’t shared by CIA Director Michael Hayden when he met with the Iraq Study Group last November…”
Last November? What, 8 months ago? That’s forever ago.
Dear Daily Kos:I’m unsure how I should think. Please tell me.
“Let’s get America out of Iraq today, tomorrow, soon!”
Tell it to your buddys in Congress. You know, the impotent ones. Maybe they could pass a non-binding resolution. That’ll show ‘em!
Remember the two-month vacation the Iraq leaders planned; the one that was reduced to the MONTH of August because of the public outcry? Don’t many, if not all, of these benchmarks need the heads of their government to be accomplished? So if they are leaving for (at least) the month of August what do we expect to change between now and September?
bushco have bought more time. It’s another delaying tactic. He would love to delay until he has left office but if not that long at least delay until it’s not him who gets us out. That way he can sit back and complain, “If only…” It will be this would / could have been, if only. He has to have a fall guy! He broke it, has no idea of what to do and must have a fall guy! He is an absolute incompetent!
I’m sick of all things political and all politicians. They can’t make a move that may be the best thing to do because they’re so worried about what will make them and their party more electable.
This is all way too important to be left to politicians!
The impotent and egotistic narcissist cosmos is now calling the White House an object of spew.
How far will this country allow the eco-terrorists like cosmos continue to bash everything American? It’s rumored that cosmos is a former Soviet citizen and a subscriber of the old Pravda news and the DemocraticKos put out by Markos Moulester Zúniga and the HussyPost put out by Adriana Puffedupington.
Yawn…http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/progress-in-ira.html#comment-75689898
“How far will this country allow the eco-terrorists like cosmos continue to bash everything American?”
Nope. Just seems to be the war and the environment. The un-American tripe is getting pretty weak repub.
By the way, is this going to be a two day drunk for you or are you going to push on thru to Saturday?
I think ***KHAN*** is not only on a drunk but is also coked up. Just like his ‘69′ hero Bush!
I’m as sober as a Judge in drunk court.
Sol-Dev has turn so far left, the next left turn he makes will make him go full circle.
Round and round like a top…
Where will Sol go spinning like a top.
Will Sol ask himself questions that he already knows the answers to?
Or will Sol become an independent thinker and do the dew?
Stay tuned to the adventures of Sol as he goes through these trials.
Sol’s trying to get his Blog Odometer up into high contribution miles.
On CSPAN 2 now, talking about withdrawal – how his withdrawal bill last summer was mocked by MSM, Dems and Repubs and got only 13 votes because according to the naysayers “we weren’t ready yet.” He says 1000 soldiers have died since then and asks angrily if we’re “ready” yet or if 1000 more have to die.
Go to the Washing Post link and print out the 25 page report and then very, very carefully read it. The “Mission Accomplished” is not now, nor ever will be accomplished. Many more Americans will die in Iraq, and they will keep dying until they all come home. We Americans will never be able to justify our actions of invading Iraq. The people of Iraq do not want (nor do they even understand) the American concept of democracy. They want exactly what they have now. Civil war based on religious beliefs.
It really is getting a bit late in the day for Bush on Iraq. The Sanity wing of the GOP seems to be getting a bit nervous and is trying to put as much daylight as possible between itself and Bush.
McConnell won yesterday’s fight denying longer furloughs to combat troops between deployments. But it’s only a matter of time before Republicans who have to run next year start peeling off and stop supporting this President’s blind, futile, Iraqi apocalypse.
Support the troops by getting them the hell out of Iraq.
KAHN, you even slur when you type. Sleep it off already.
“By the way, is this going to be a two day drunk for you or are you going to push on thru to Saturday?”
hee hee hee hee!! Good one Sol!
“By the way, is this going to be a two day drunk for you or are you going to push on thru to Saturday?”
hee hee hee hee!! Good one Sol!
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | July 12, 2007 at 03:34 PM
Package stores are open on Sunday now, why should Saturday be a limiting parameter?
The way the deal went down, according to usually reliable informants, if you get my meaning, is this:
When the caper started—the going to the mattresses with the Mustache Pete way out East—Chainsaw Dick calls in the Scooter man, his top earner, and tells him to go out and sell the operation. It’s important, he says. The future of the Family depends on it.
So ol’ Scooter, he starts selling and does a heckuva job, on account of people trust him so much. Hey, you seen the guy. Would Scooter lie?
He does such a good job that even “The New York Times” is in bed with us, you believe that?
So when the caper begins to go sour (which is because not enough muscle was assigned to the project, in my opinion) the vultures, including “The New York Times,” begin jumping all over the Boss. Even Chainsaw Dick starts to get heat. Shoulda done this, Shoulda done that; woulda, coulda, shoulda.
They even got the nerve to accuse the Boss of lying about a few minor details, like he’s supposed to know everything about everything.
This makes Chainsaw mad—you know how he is—so he sends his crew out to take care of the bozos who are all the time criticizing, including one bozo’s wife who is a blonde I would not turn away from my door in a snowstorm, if you know what I mean. We ain’t talking about sleeping with no fishes here, just a little character assassination, teach ‘em a lesson.
Naturally, Scooter being Scooter, he is the point man on this and, like always, he does a heckuva job. When all of a sudden the linguini hits the fan and before you know it Scooter—the Chainsaw’s right-hand guy—is in front of a grand jury, looking at criminal charges. For messing with a reputation! What they think this is, beanbag?
Anyway, this all makes people back at the Ba-Da-Bing on Pennsylvania Avenue a little nervous. There is talk, even, of bringing Crazy Boy Liddy out of retirement to whack the Scooter. The Chainsaw says no. The Scooter is a standup guy, he says, and will not rat us out. In effect, he vouches for him, so what ya gonna do?
But pretty soon, the Scooter man is indicted and his mouthpieces are talking about calling Chainsaw as a witness. In court. I mean can you imagine the Chainsaw up there on the witness stand taking the Fifth? It would be undignified.
So now the Boss’s capi are really nervous. Are you sure Scooter is not going to rat us out, they keep asking.
Chainsaw, he just gives them that look, you know the one. “I’ll have someone talk to Scooter’s lawyers,” he says. “I will make them an offer they can’t refuse.” Discussion over.
And pretty soon, what do you know, you don’t hear nothing more about the Chainsaw man being called to testify.
So they have their little trial and Scooter, he can’t remember anything, and the jury, which it turns out we can’t get to, says “guilty” and the judge, who apparently never wants to be on the Supreme Court, drops 30 small on our friend Scooter.
This, we all agree, is a bad situation. It’s one thing to be a standup guy when you’re out on bail; it’s another when you’re in the joint (although I have to admit, some of the fed joints aren’t so bad. I learned to play checkers in one of ‘em.)
However, just as Scooter is about to go inside the Boss steps in and commutes his sentence, which I didn’t even know he could do unless he had a good reason.
So Scooter walks, his bills get paid by a person or persons unknown and Halliburton or some outfit like that gets a new executive.
Is that a happy ending or what?
Like I always said, it pays to have Family values.
Reminds me of all those generals and politicians during Viet Nam who were just sure they saw the light at the end of the tunnel. We all know what that was!
***KHAN*** just be careful mixing that Bush nose candy with those Limbaugh whites!
I’d tell you to worry about frying your brain but it is obvious that you already have.
What is going to happen when the troop withdrawals from Iraq starts before the next election? Dems would lose that issue. And if the economy continues to roar the way it is, (Dow up 280+ today!), it spells trouble for the Dems.
I think Pelosi and others realize how much they need Iraq as THE issue. What else do the Dems have? I would be surprised to see them playing hard ball with war funding. Better start sending checks to Cindy!
Part of what Dan Froomkin had to say in today’s White House Watch:
After a 12-minute introductory statement, Bush did what he normally does at press conferences: He ducked the tough questions, and instead launched into long rambling rehashes of familiar talking points.
Asked why Americans should trust his vision for Iraq, given all the mistakes he has made thus far, Bush essentially blamed his commanders — but then said that Americans should trust him because he relies on his commanders.
Asked if he was sufficiently realistic in his appraisal of Iraq, he said “Yeah,” then talked at length about the threat posed by al Qaeda.
He repeated his inaccurate and misleading assertion that “the same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.” (See for instance, this McClatchy story.)
And he generally argued that disagreeing with his policy is tantamount to undermining the troops and emboldening Al Qaeda.
http://tinyurl.com/9gx78
Dear Fleetwood,
In response to your sneering “let them pass more non-binding resolutions” palaver, here’s Digby calling out Senate Repukes for their total obstructionism.
“Right now, for example, we have the Republicans filibustering everything in sight and calling the Democrats a do-nothing congress. We have the president spending twelve billion dollars a month on a war the country hates and saying the Democrats are overspending. And oversight is being met with incoherence that better resembles a three stooges routine than cooperation. They are not behaving as normal politicians behave, they are behaving like reckless, emotionally deranged teen-agers daring someone to stop them. And like the nice, nurturing parents they are, the Democrats try to be reasonable and “talk” while the miscreant kids steal the money out of their wallet and take the family car — screaming “suckers” as they peel out of the driveway.”
digbysblog.blogspot.com
So don’t complain that nothing is getting done. It’s because of Repukes like you, Fleetwood–and the fact that Senatorial Democrats don’t seem to have caught on that Repukes WANT the government to stop in its tracks. It’s all the Repukes have left.
Senator Reid should let McConnell filibuster everything, instead of letting him get away with using cloture votes. Republicans can only win by making the country lose, and its time the Democrats stopped behaving as if Repukes were rational actors.
Listen to outlander talking about the great economy for the rich.
Yeah, like this loser has dime invested in “the Dow.”
The stock market is going up because it’s been DOWN for so ridiculously long.
It took five YEARS for the Dow to go back to where it was when Clinton left office.
You’d have to be a CON to think that this is a good economy.
How much did you make today Capn? Feeling guilty making money in a great economy with a Republican president? Then just donate it to a good charity.
There are at least two ignorant democrats as exemplified in this article.Americans tired of Iraq war, split on withdrawal By Andrea HopkinsThu Jul 12, 1:50 PM ET
CINCINNATI (Reuters) – Americans are tired of the Iraq war and doubt victory will ever come, but remained split over President George W. Bush’s vow on Thursday to stay the course in Iraq despite a report showing limited progress.
ADVERTISEMENT”I can’t stand it anymore. What are we going to succeed at?” asked Cincinnati restaurant manager Stephanie Laycock, 36, who said she had opposed the war from the beginning.
A USA Today/Gallup poll this week showed more than seven in 10 Americans favor withdrawing nearly all U.S. troops by April, and several surveys show the approval ratings for Bush, a Republican, are at the lows of his presidency.
Bush told a news conference his troop buildup in Iraq had made limited progress but said he would wait for a September security report by Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker before considering a change of course.
“We’ll … have a clearer picture of how the new strategy is unfolding, and be in a better position to judge where we need to make any adjustments,” Bush said.
Americans were divided over the president’s stand.
“I’m not terribly surprised; he’s been a stubborn leader on this subject and I don’t think he’s going to listen to anyone,” said Tom McAuliffe, 57, a banker from Columbus, Ohio.
Hospital volunteer Sally Kessler, 74, disagreed.
“I think he’s doing a wonderful job. These people are out to get us and if we back off they’ll come after us here,” said Kessler, a Cincinnati Republican who voted for Bush.
Chicago musician Dave Cavalier, whose 24-year-old brother is in Iraq with the U.S. military, said the United States should make plans to bring troops home safely.
“It’s just getting more and more dangerous every day,” said Cavalier, 20. “I think we’re all coming to the conclusion that we’ve lost this war.”
DANGEROUS AND CHALLENGING
An interim White House report found the Iraqi government had made only mixed progress in meeting political goals. It said conditions were still dangerous and challenging, six months after Bush ordered a U.S. troop buildup.
Iraqi-Americans in Detroit echoed the report’s findings, saying friends and family back home faced daily violence and crushing shortages of water, electricity and gasoline.
“Things are worse,” said Abbas Al-Daraji, a truck driver who has lived in the United States for 10 years but whose siblings and mother remain in Iraq.
“People are not happy and not safe. I give the U.S. government and the Iraqi government very poor marks. The Iraqi government, they are better people than Saddam. It’s good we got rid of Saddam. But they have not done anything after that,” said Daraji, 32.
In Atlanta, small business owner Helen Robinson said she saw no sense to the war.
“I have not seen anything else but death and bloodshed …. I still feel that we have got time to pull out of there and not cause any more senseless deaths,” Robinson said.
But security officer Roshad Lyons, a Democrat, said Iran will take over in Iraq if U.S. troops pull out.
“I don’t see any reason to go there and not complete the job. The priority should be getting the (Iraqi) military up and running. It’s almost done,” said Lyons.
In Bisbee, Arizona, construction worker Frank Cvitkrovic was skeptical.
“It’s bunk, more spin. They want to keep this going as long as possible,” he said. “It’s all about weapons sales and high energy prices. Bush is just the enabler for the billionaires.”
Renae Simpson, vacationing on the Texas resort of South Padre Island, said she and her husband Randy are Democrats, but totally support the war.
“We went in there with open eyes knowing it would not be easy,” said Simpson.
“They came over here on our land and took down the twin towers. People forget that,” Randy, a Vietnam veteran, added.
A Newsweek poll released last week found 41 percent of Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was directly involved in financing, planning or carrying out the September 11 attacks, though no such connection has been found.
(Additional reporting by Kyle Peterson in Chicago, Jui Chakravorty in Detroit, Matt Bigg in Atlanta, Tim Gaynor in Arizona and Ed Stoddard in Texas)
House passe withdrawl of troops within 120 days.
“House passe withdrawl of troops within 120 days.”
Yes. 4 Repubs voted for it, 10 Dems voted against it.
Damn Warmonger Dems!
“digbysblog.blogspot.com”
Here we go again. Do you people think that anybody but the you peoples care about the commie sites?
Dear Digby:
DU and Daily Kos have already told me how to think. Could you tell me what to think?Thank you,Fellow Commie
Fleetwood,
Considering that you’re part of the deluded 26% that goes on defending this President, you’re in no position to say anything about what “anybody” else in America cares about or doesn’t.
Having your head so far us Bush’s ass, fleetwood, puts you pretty far out of the mainstream. The only part of the political spectrum you get to define is the lunatic, fascist, Right-Wing fringe.
“Part of what Dan Froomkin had to say in today’s White House Watch:”Posted by: lindainks55 | July 12, 2007 at 04:00 PM
“Political reporters at The Post don’t like WPNI [Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive] columnist Dan Froomkin’s “White House Briefing,” which is highly opinionated and liberal.”
Dear Mr. Froomkin:
There are so many Lib sites and so little time. I’ve been told how and what to think by some others. Would you please tell me when to think?Thank you,More Commie by the day
So, cf:
Anything to add of value? Or just more grossness? Anything of substance?
You’re a nothing. Rush tells you what to think, Bill tells you how to act, Sean tells you who to hate.
“Liberal pussies.”
Ah, conservative talking points.
You got nothin’ but hate, fleetwood. Nothing but hate and denial of reality.
How does it feel to have been wrong about everything, fleetwood? And to have been proven wrong by a bunch of liberal pantywaists?
Gone all limp on us? No surprise there.
“You got nothin’ but hate, fleetwood.”
I love you, cf
I’m sure you do, fleetwood. After all, without enemies, what would a Wingnut be?
You’ve proven you have no ideas, no originality, no honesty, and no decency. What you do have is hatred for liberals. But that ain’t enough to run the country, much less the world.
Now, if y’all will excuse CF2K, he has a social obligation that requires his attention.
“CF2K, he has a social obligation that requires his attention.”
Have a date with the Kleenex?
“Anything to add of value? Or just more grossness? Anything of substance?”
Fleetwood asking for a post of substance? That’s akin to a Rockefeller asking for foodstamps: makes no sense what-so-ever.
CF,Fleetie is a troll. He gets bloated and fat off of the attention of reasonable people. Clobbering a retard is never a very satisfying activity. He has shown repeatedly that he will take humiliating beatings to participate here. It is kind of sad, really. Ignore him is my suggestion. Nothing is what sadists do to masochists, if you get my drift.
Arguing with fleetie is like giving a stradivarius to an orangutan. A bad idea.
Ignore him is my suggestion.Posted by: Steven Davis | July 12, 2007 at 08:18 PM
This is the national theme of the Democraps, “Ignore it, it will go away.”
Ignore Illegal aliens
Ignore the Iraq War
Ignore the fact that Socialistic health care countries like Britain and Canada are increasingly using more private health care providers because their systems don’t work.
Ignore Bloomberg’s attempt to make an end run around the second attempt and his illegal sting operations in other states.
Ignore any bad thing in the press by the MSM that a Democrap might do, because it’s not bad, just an alternative method.
Ignore the people who ignore you,perhaps they’ll just go away.
Steven, you got it wrong. Fleettwood is entertainment. A breath of fresh air in a blog world where folks take themselves way too seriously. If folks get upset at his flippancy, it’s usually because they’re wound so tight they couldn’t get a greased BB up their ass.
outlander–
Actually, I have been doing pretty good even during the Bush recession.
Thanks for your concern.
The only thing I feel guilty about is that I didn’t do more to make sure Worst. President. Ever. hadn’t been selected.
This is why we’re losing the War on Globalization:Our kids aren’t learning science like they teach in Asia. We don’t have the science competitions that try to get our best students into the Guinness Book of World Records, fer instance.
(07-04) 10:36 PDT NEW DELHI, India (AP) –A 15-year-old who allegedly delivered a baby by Caesarean section in an attempt to set a record as the world’s youngest surgeon surrendered to a court in southern India Wednesday after 10 days in hiding, police said.Dhileepan Raj had been missing since his parents were arrested last month, said Raj Sekharan, a police official in southern Tamil Nadu state.The parents of Dhileepan Raj, both doctors, are suspected of supervising their son while he performed a Caesarean section at a maternity hospital they run in the city of Manaparai. They are in prison awaiting trial.Police have charged the three with cheating, forgery of records, endangering human life, concealing evidence and abetting a crime.The Tamil Nadu chapter of the Indian Medical Association said last month that Dr. K. Murugesan showed a video recording of his son performing a Caesarean birth.The video allegedly showed Murugesan anesthetizing the patient before the boy started the operation, said Venkatesh Prasad, secretary of the medical association.Murugesan told the association that he wanted to see his son’s name in the Guinness Book of World Records, Prasad said.Amarilis Espinoza, a spokeswoman for Guinness World Records, said in an e-mail from London that Guinness does not endorse such attempts because they encourage “bad medicine.”The baby that Raj delivered was born with a noticeable lump on the spinal cord, Prasad said, adding that the birth defect had nothing to do with the surgery having been performed by a 15-year-old.
And you wanna know why Wichita has Indian doctors? Simply put, they’re really good because they’ve had training from a young age.
I have a gut feeling that this administration is without a doubt the most corrupt in U.S history. And also a gut feeling that the GOP is just as corrupt. I borrowed the “gut feeling” from our Homeland Security Czar. It’s such an accurate discription based on fact??? Or not!!
Yeah, outlander’s right, Steven.
Why should anyone get upset when Kansas makes their marital union illegal, like slaves in the Old South?
Or hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Iraq, dead at the hands of our imperial war machine?
Shoot, don’t worry, be happy.
Or 12 billion a month that we spend on war, most of it “off budget.”
Or the almost 9 trillion dollars in debt, equalling 30,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child in this country.
Or the fact that 50 million people don’t have health insurance and even the ones that do are one catastrophic illness away from bankruptcy.
C’mon. Tune in Rush. Drink a grape Nehi. You take yourselves way too seriously . . .
This isn’t Open Thread. Oops. My other AP posts are on OT, if anyone wants to check them out. And who says reporters don’t have a wicked wit?
Chuckle. Good one Capn! Incidentally, in case you had any doubt, you’re one of those…
“Or the almost 9 trillion dollars in debt, equalling 30,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child in this country.”Posted by: CapnAmerica | July 12, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Oh! So that’s what it’s called Capn, debt?
Funny, some people and countries look at it as investment opportunities. You know, buy T-Bonds from the strongest financial country in the world as an investment?
Of course you know Capn, the largest holder of debt are the U.S. itself and private citizens. How dare they invest in their own country!
Remember Capn, the next time the community you live in holds a bond election, be sure and vote against it as you wouldn’t want your community to better itself by putting its citizens in debt.
Nicholas D. Kristof writes in his New York Times opinion column: “It’s nice that Mr. Bush is still confident about Iraq, telling us on Tuesday: ‘I strongly believe that we will prevail.’
“Apparently, we’re doing almost as well today as we were in October 2003 when he blamed journalists for filtering out the good news and declared: ‘We’re making really good progress.’
“Then in September 2004, Mr. Bush assured us that Iraq was ‘making steady progress.’ In April 2005: ‘We’re making good progress in Iraq.’ In October 2005: ‘Iraq has made incredible political progress.’ In November 2005: ‘Iraqis are making inspiring progress.’
“Do we really want to continue making this kind of inspiring progress for the next 10 years?”
Or the fact that 50 million people don’t have health insurance and even the ones that do are one catastrophic illness away from bankruptcy.Posted by: CapnAmerica | July 12, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Of course the Capn and his creative statistics are including illegal aliens, self-insurers, people who already get government health care (medicaid and public servant medical care.)
Numbers don’t matter to Capn, he has a degree in the Liberal Arts!
And I do mean really Liberal!
“Do we really want to continue making this kind of inspiring progress for the next 10 years?”
Posted by: lindainks55 | July 12, 2007 at 09:24 PM
Only a liberal would write a question asking if we want to continue to make progress.
This truly shows their true nature that the only way Liberals can win or get their point across, if we fail at something or at least lie to everyone that we are failing at something.
Amazing, Liberals now think progress is a bad thing.
What’s next Libs – the dashing of hope to be classified as wishful thinking?
Wait – no…they’ve already done that.
“inspiring progress”
***KHAN*** you obviously cannot understand sarcasm. That “progress” is, in actuality, REGRESS. So, you CONS like going backwards and downhill in Iraq.
JmEierRepublank, When was the last time you slept? Are you feeling well? Although you’ve been slightly repulsive in the past it seems today must be an especially bad day for you. Is there medication you’ve missed? Is there someone with you? Seems your condition is deteriorating.
Ah, the medication thing lindainks.
No, I’m perfectly fine, but thanks for asking.
Just be honest lindainks, you and other Democraps want us to fail in Iraq. It’s your life’s dream.
No Ben, I just know cheese-eating surrender-chimp-speak when I see it.
Cocaine gives me lots of energy. Pass me that pipe again!
Some people – probably 25 percent of this nitwit country – would continue to support bush if he attacked Iran, cancelled the 2008 elections and curtailed all domestic privacies and rights to dissent.
These backward elements, cultivated by this administration directly as well as the international right wing corporate media that props it up, will still be waving their American flags in our faces should such a turn of events occur – which is not, by any means, impossible.
Ironically, they would then be taking their orders from an Australian – Rupert Murdoch.
Won’t matter to them, though. After all, they’re used to being hypocrits and are fascistic to the core.
Nice!
Ben,
Republican, aka ‘blank’, aka khahn, etc., obviously cannot understand anything.
Here’s a hankie for ya KCDAN and your “25 percent MSM Polls.”
Ah! the eco-terrorist and egotistical narcisicist moves his lips again.
Or was he just doing his “fish out of water” imitation again?
Since Republican aka ***K H A H N*** aka ‘blank’ aka (stolen) J M Walker believes that I’m an “egotistical narcissist” because I post a link going to my posts…
I’ll post a link to one of HIS posts.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74563392
Readers can note that it, and his next post (just after my post below it), both link to another of HIS posts.
And that post that HE made, has links to two other posts that HE made.
btw: I didn’t include the U.S. age distribution, because my reply was re Republican’s post re Iraq and France.
That’s about the 5th time in less than a day that the eco terrorist cosmos has re-posted the identical post.
Perhaps the Eagle should talk to him about his spamming and the reposting of re-posts.
***K H A H N*** aka Republican, aka ‘blank’, aka (stolen) J M Walker, aka ?,
“That’s about the 5th time in less than a day that the eco terrorist cosmos has re-posted the identical post.”
I think it’s only the 2nd time today.
Let’s ask editor Phillip Brownlee ( pbrownlee@wichitaeagle.com ) how many times ***K H A H N*** has falsely accused me TODAY of being an eco-terrorist.
3 times on this thread… and how many times on other threads?
eco-terrorist doesn’t take much of the Eagle’s bandwidth and it is totally accurate description of cosmos the narcissistic egotist.
***K H A H N***, aka Republican, aka ‘blank’, aka (stolen) J M Walker, aka LIAR,
Whatever…
“Steven, you got it wrong. Fleettwood is entertainment.”
Mike,You got it right to some degree. Fleetie is completely irrelevant. Funny thing is, as the Bush ship sinks by the day, you become more so yourself. I don’t think you are nearly as stupid as Fleetie, but you may prove me wrong, once more.
“Ignore the people who ignore you,perhaps they’ll just go away.”
I am sorry to say, I have never in my life known such a blatant liar as yourself.
I think you are completely losing it.
Please keep posting outlandish nonsense so that the eds end up deleting more of your posts. It will help the voices of reason around here.
Carry on… please.
Cap’n,Check your infrequently checked account.
WHAT DA?
OKAY
WHATEVER
Steven: You’ve heard that “you are known by the company you keep”? Even if I disagree with something that Bush may do, I am very reluctant to admit being on the same side of anything as some of the more virulent leftists here. And you know that goes both ways. People like to be on a side.
The left’s hate-filled rants are nothing I want to be remotely associated with. I would be embarrased to share the same views on breakfast with them, much less politics or religion.
As for as your snobby “stupidity” comments, you somewhat stupidly confuse belief and political ideology with intelligence.
I would be embarrased to share the same views on breakfast with themPosted by: outlander | July 13, 2007 at 07:07 AM
That, in a nutshell, is why our political system is failing so miserably.
The whole idea behind having a political system such as ours in the first place is so that reasonable people can disagree, yet still find ways to work together for the common good. To make any political progress at all, we have to acknowledge those disagreements, and then start looking for the places where we agree, where we disagree only in minor detail, and where we can work together on those areas of agreement or slight disagreement.
What Outlander is saying here is exactly the opposite. He’s saying that even on things that should be simple to discuss, such as “eggs over easy, or basted?” he’s unwilling to find common ground with those with whom he has more substantive disagreement.
With that kind of attitude, progress on resolving political disputes is impossible. That kind of attitude leads us right into the warring camps that divide the nation today.
It doesn’t have to be this way.
I see a dividing line right now. Anyone that’s eats their eggs “basted” is some kind of weirdo anyway. Basted with what? More eggs?
The only reason that me and some other bloggers on the right are the way we are, is that the Left started all this crap with their name-calling, intelligence insulting mantras. Don’t believe me? Pull a post from the very early Blogs and have a look.
The people on the right have had tried to have reasonable discussions, but the left comes up with you are creating victims, you hate poor people, you are an idiot, your mama sleeps with drunks and etc. etc.
Reasonable discussion? Only a very few on this blog who are on the left know the meaning of this, and Tom you ain’t one of them, neither is your homosexual counterpart KFG one either. Both whacked out far left “blame america first” crowd.
I can’t think of anyone from the left I’d want to send to a National Debate to represent Kansas on any issue, except maybe Dr. Huie. The rest of you are in the total loser category.
What I am saying Tom, is that the hate filled rants I see here evoke such an emotional response in people that it becomes difficult to agree on anything. When a post begins with an insult of say Republicans or Christians, do you think I, as a Republican and a Christian can possibly look past that to try to reach common ground with that person?Notice also that my comment was directed at the more “virulent leftists”, the haters that no one on the left ever faces down. Apparently because they are on their “side”.
Outlander,
I tend to ignore the whackos on both extremes, left and right. It’s not my job to “police” the left, just because you or someone else thinks I’m a “leftist.” Implying it is implies the same for you: that you’re somehow responsible for the spew that comes from the troll currently posting as “Khahn.”
We all need to own our own words, without blaming our individual bad behavior on others.
Congress forked over the money for the troops surge 6 weeks ago, and the additional troops have been in place in Iraq for 3 weeks now. Democrats may be in terror of our increased troop strength being on the verge of beating down a big flock of assembled Iraqi and Irani Muslim militants.Withdrawal of U.S. troops will not end the war with Muslim terrorists. (Redeployment means troop withdrawal.) Withdrawal means defeat and surrender on our part, and escalating attacks on the part of terrorists, who will be free to reselect American targets – like New York, Washington, DC, Chicago, Detroit, Kansas City, Houston, Los Angeles, and Seattle.
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) revealed on Friday afternoon that the White House and Pentagon were holding up a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigation into the friendly fire death of former professional football player and Army Corporal Patrick Tillman.
“The Committee wrote to White House Counsel Fred Fielding seeking ‘all documents received or generated by any official in the Executive Office of the President’ relating to Corporal Tillman’s death,” noted a press release from the Committee.
But the White House has apparently again invoked its executive privilege to hold up the documents sought by Waxman and Ranking Minority member Tom Davis (R-VA).
“The White House Counsel’s office responded that it would not provide the Committee with documents that ‘implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests’ and produced only two communications with the officials in the Defense Department, one of which was a package of news clippings,” the Committe noted. “The response of the Defense Department to the Committee’s inquiry was also deficient.”
Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_Pentagon_hold...
More fair and balanced, please-tell-me-what-to-think, from rawstory.
“”Muck, raked: If you’re looking for alleged GOP malfeasance, the folks at rawstory.com are frequently scooping the mainstream media.”"
You people really should try thinking for yourself. When was the last time a right thinking American linked to a Conservative website? You people do it all the time. Pitiful. But, that’s OK. The world needs ditch diggers.
“As for as your snobby “stupidity” comments, you somewhat stupidly confuse belief and political ideology with intelligence.”
Michael,I have never known you to be quite this shrill. Are things going badly in your life, about now? I wouldn’t be surprised if they were.
I do think that intelligence and ideology are independent constructs. I have no idea why you are making these inane accusations. Please help me understand.
Thank you: your right (liberal) thinking friend.