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Open thread 7/28
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted July 28, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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PITIFUL, JUST PITIFUL.
Oy vey!!
Good morning Tracy, Chas.
Tracy, you got a point. It’s getting to be a first amendment issue. I don’t post much anymore because anything you put up gets lost in a blizzard of attack and counter attack about who’s a troll and whose not.
I don’t like trolls, but I like calls for censorship even less.
Tracy:
You have to expect to be attacked whenever you take a stand on anything. Whether here or in any other setting. If you haven’t the fortitude to not wimper away from debate on a forum like this, how could you possibly take a stand anywhere else in life in a face to face confrontation? Don’t wimper at the ideal being attacked. Just answer the attacks that seem to come from sincere intelligent sources and ignore the rest. I have been called worse things than a “troll” and it has not slowed me down one second- here or anywhere else.
Interesting,
I’ve been trolled, so what? The one being trolled is usually the only one that really, instantly, knows with out a doubt he is being trolled. I never responded and it quit.
I took a few hits from others that took the bait and believed the nic switcher was me, I didn’t respond. It quit. I’m even pretty sure that one of the ones that jumped was the troll, I didn’t respond. No fun for the troll, it stopped.
I know that several have accused Nathan of nic switching and trolling in the past. Nathan might be a lot of things, but he doesn’t lie and he doesn’t troll. Some of it is because we use the same computers every now and then, three at home, three at work, plus we both have laptops we share. Momma doesn’t paricipate but her laptop always has either me or the boy signed in to the BLOG.
On some occassions out of the blue some of us on the right will get heat for not correcting the nitwits on the right here that seem to be trolls or nic switchers. I don’t because it feeds the trolls. I don’t bitch about the ones on the left or the right. . .I ignore them.
If we want the problem to stop we need to use positive reenforcement. When they play nice, play nice back. When they don’t, ignore them.
Hank
Interesting,
I’ve been trolled, so what? The one being trolled is usually the only one that really, instantly, knows with out a doubt he is being trolled. I never responded and it quit.
I took a few hits from others that took the bait and believed the nic switcher was me, I didn’t respond. It quit. I’m even pretty sure that one of the ones that jumped was the troll, I didn’t respond. No fun for the troll, it stopped.
I know that several have accused Nathan of nic switching and trolling in the past. Nathan might be a lot of things, but he doesn’t lie and he doesn’t troll. Some of it is because we use the same computers every now and then, three at home, three at work, plus we both have laptops we share. Momma doesn’t paricipate but her laptop always has either me or the boy signed in to the BLOG.
On some occassions out of the blue some of us on the right will get heat for not correcting the nitwits on the right here that seem to be trolls or nic switchers. I don’t because it feeds the trolls. I don’t bitch about the ones on the left or the right. . .I ignore them.
If we want the problem to stop we need to use positive reenforcement. When they play nice, play nice back. When they don’t, ignore them.
Hank
Hank, interesting as it might seem, I am not real sure that is Tracy on here… Look at the sign name… not blue, not underlined…
And therein lies the problem. A few posters have abandon honesty and integrity by stealing a nic.
They have burned their own nic and can’t get much ‘action’ under their own nic.
So they lower themselves to theft and lying.
Outstanding. Hope y’all are proud.
War Profiteer Carlyle Group Bundler Raises $50,000+ for Obama
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/bundler.cfm?Bundler=25287
Sol,
IMO, they were already liars and thieves. Nic trolling is just how its expressed here on the blog.
Yeah Tom, but on to something interesting. How about Obama accepting money from the Carlyle group?
Sol,
Who were the actual donors, though? Just because the bundler is a Carlyle employee doesn’t mean the money came from there.
One problem I have on this topic is I don’t know enough about the Federal rules for reporting campaign contributions. I know KS State rules backwards and forwards, and “bundled” contributions are never actually reported that way. They’re either reported by the individual donor, or are reported by the bundling PAC. If they’re coming through the PAC, they’re subject to the single-donor finance limits.
Fundraising is a fact of political life. Most candidates don’t reject money unless the source is so heinous (in their view) that the money is “dirty.” That doesn’t happen too often…
Employer:Carlyle GroupState:DCStatus for 2008:Bundler for Barack Obama, raised at least $50,000.00Name Disclosed By Candidate:YSo the employer is Carlyle group and the campaign released the name. What more do you need?
Sol,
I saw that. It tells us the name of a guy who is raising money from other people on behalf of the Obama campaign. It tells us he works for Carlyle Group.
But that doesn’t tell us who the actual _donors_ are. It doesn’t tell us anything about “Mark J. Johnson,” such as, is he an officer of Carlyle? Is he acting on their behalf, or does he just get his paycheck there? “Mark J. Johnson” could be a file clerk or janitor or an anonymous clerk in their payroll department. Unless we can put Johnson in context, and the people whose donations he’s soliciting, this doesn’t tell us anything at all.
Tracy
You mean if you take a stand, you will be attacked? Naw…
Or, people could just stop whining about trolls and post their opinions.
Last few weeks I got accused of being like ten different nics, I found it rather amusing how paranoid people are.
Do Israel’s Sonic Booms Terrify Gaza’s Children?Recent disclosures of the long-time Israeli practice of sonic bombing of the 1.3 million fenced in and captive people in the Gaza Strip may take the award for the meanest trick yet. Israel’s pilots fly { made in the USA F-16 Fighters } low and fast, deliberately breaking the sound barrier over sleeping people. Gaza is an island of children, four or five per family. Why terror? Because most people in Gaza have seen or felt death by explosive bombing.
America’s churches could end sonic bombing and other deliberate practices of starving and torturing the Palestinians overnight. Religious junkets to Israel are probably Israel’s biggest and most profitable tourist industry. Ending religious tourism in Israel is logical. God would seem to forbid supporting those who torture children, some of whom are Christians. Evangelicals should stop talking about their obligations to Israel long enough to listen to Jesus.
What would Jesus say about terrorizing the little children? The diabolical meanness of the bullyboy, sonic bombers defy comprehension. The children of Gaza are used to being bombed with real bombs that blow off limbs and crush families under the debris. Most children in Gaza know shooting and bombing victims, so the sonic bombings play on the fear that is already present. Vistors bring back accounts of a never to be forgotten few days in Gaza city, where they saw and heard the sounds of real nighttime assassinations, the bombing launched from right overhead, from USA gifts of Apache helicopters.
But Evangelicals are also “Pro-life” with a 1000lb bomb under one arm, a Bible under the other and Hipocracy inbetween…
Evidently Ed, you didn’t live in Wichita in the 1960s when they test fired the Saturn rockets for the moon launch. Very loud, very long and repeated often. Or the McConnell fighter aircraft breaking the sound barriers or more recently the thunderous roar of the B1 Bombers that used to strafe the Sedgwick County landscape.
Do firecrackers offend you Ed?
No you offend me with that piss-ass excuse. I don’t hear any calls to stop it.
All of those things you mention Kansas are not allowed anymore.
Even the fireworks are illegal.
So is your point in support of Ed, saying that those things that were common in the 60’s have now been banned by the proper authorities?
May people like Kansas love the sound of the bombing because it makes them feel like a man in power?
Little man syndrome?
Kansas is a man? he sounds like a fruit cup.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/27/144210
Report: U.S. Backs Off Saudi Bank Linked to Militant FundingThe Wall Street Journal is reporting the U.S. has opted to take a hands-off approach to a Saudi bank U.S. intelligence has linked to the financing of militant Islamic extremists. The Al Rajhi bank is among vast holdings belonging to the Saudi billionaire Sulaiman Al Rajhi. The banks activities’ reportedly set off an intense debate within the Bush administration on how to take action. But confidential reports show the administration has ultimately chosen to quietly lobby Saudi monarchs rather than take punitive steps. U.S. intelligence says Al Rahji Bank has held accounts and accepted donations for charities formally designated as fronts for al Qaeda or other militant groups. The CIA concluded the Al Rahji family was knowingly involved. Al Rajhi Bank and the Al Rajhi family have denied any link to financing militants.
Bush, as always, cares more about his financiers in Saudi Arabia than actually combating terrorism.
The United States is much more guilty of giving money and killing hardware to Jews to kill Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis and Iranians, than Saudi Arabia is in giving money to Arabs with which to defend themselves against the hordes of barbaric Jews who have invaded the Middle East and talked the United States into killing Iraqis to clear the way for Zionist-Jew world domination.
Reporting crap like that, with that “spin” shows just how much in league with the forces of Evil America is involved and supporting.
America needs to clean its house.
“invading Zionist-Jews”
I saw this and couldn’t re“Leno Hits the Nail on the Head!”A commentary by Jay Leno
The other day I was reading Newsweek Magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67% of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69% of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence, two-thirds of the citizenry just ain’t happy and want a change.
So being the knuckle-dragger I am, I started thinking, What are we so unhappy about? Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4% of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfus has seen in the last year? Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help us and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital?
Perhaps you are one of the 70% of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or, if while at home watching one of your many flat screen TV’s, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy. Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don’t have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31% approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 0/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled, ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander-in-chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn’t take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?
Think about it…are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain, or is it because the “media” told you he was failing to kiss your sorry, ungrateful behind every day?
Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn’t have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a “general” discharge, and “other than honorable” discharge or, worst case scenario, a “dishonorable” discharge after a few days in the brig. So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69% of Americans? Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds, it leads, and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by “justifying” them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn’t kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way….Insane!
Stop buying negativism you are fed every day by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your birdcage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.
We are among the most blessed people on Earth, and should thank God several times a day, or a least be thankful and appreciative.sist putting it on WEBlog. If I have been trolled I never noticed it.
Bloomberg News reports that Darth Cheney’s defibrillator-recharge surgery went off without a hitch.
He’s called Darth Cheney both for his statements that America had to join “the dark side” to prevail,
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks27jul27,0,7795419.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
and because he is only alive because he’s part machine, just like Darth Vader, as his natural body having given up the ghost long ago.
Anyway, it’s reassuring to know that the Darthster is back in business, because Lord only knows what would have happened if we had to rely on the Bushter (AKA “The Decider”) having to be promoted to the job of running the country. I mean, GEB’s a good marionette, but without the guy behind the curtain controlling the strings, he’s only a few sticks of Crawford brushwood.
ksgrm
All of the things which you’ve mentioned are the result of a working economy which runs on crude oil.
An all out war in the Middle East will stop the flow of that Crude Oil on which our economy depends, and all of the things you’ve mentioned will go away.
All because the Zionist-Jews want to own the world.
That simple.
Or we could just increase our energy efficiency. We get a majority of our oil from North and South America so we really don’t need Middle Eastern oil if the CAFE standards were increased to 40mpg and used more bioplastic than plastic from petrol sources.
{ Plastics are made from Crude Oil plus a host of other products, including some medicines }
Doug
You are wrong. { or it would already be being done }
Why are you so reluctant to see the truth?
Rather run the world?
ksgrm,
Nice points, but obviously if you never would have made your high school debating team.
You pointed out all these great services we enjoy. Your fallacy is trying to demogogically connect these to George Bush. Last time I looked, every service you mention preceded the Puppet in Chief. Actually most of them arose during Democratic leadership.
Let’s take home ownership for the working class. A product of the GI Bill and Fannie Mae. Democrat inititiaves. Computers, a product of NASA and military projects funded by Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon era Democratic-majority Congresses. Not to mention DARPANET that gave rise to the Internet. The growth of the South was based on air conditioning, which was made possible by regulated Democrat-imposed energy provision to the masses, not to mention a heckuva lot of engineer-training provided at socialized taxpayer expense, under Democratic-majority Congresses. Clean drinking water? The lead projects in this, the New York Aqueduct System, the Colorado River Project, delivering drinking water to five western states, and the California Aqueduct, were all Democrat projects.
Can we talk about Republican contributions in the services you mention? Absolutely. But these were pre-Neocon contributions, and have zero connection to George Bush.
So you’re engaging in sophistry, trying to make a case for something, i.e. some connection between the services and benefits we enjoy, with George W. Bush, which is simply nonexistent.
In fact this administration notoriously wants to transfer Democrat-created public services, such as clean and safe water delivered to homes, to the private sector, which is to say promote the theft of public resources.
MPS
What transportation will you use? Your flying carpet?
PS, ksgrm,
Jay Leno never wrote the “Nail on the Head” piece you quote, which anybody who watches his Bush-skewering monologues, and is familiar with his comedic wit, instantly realizes: THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
Ah, the truth is, some BushCo propagandist made this up, and misattributed it to Mr. Leno.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/hitnail.asp
So you’re just propagating falsehood. Until you admit this, you’re discredited on WEBlog among Democratic and Republican readers who want to deal in facts, and present and digest fact-supported opinions, not “tell a lie often enough and it becomes truth” fascist-socipath propaganda.
So I’m wondering MPS, did you read the Newsweek article?
Or are you the controller now of whose opinion gets credited or discredited now on the WE Blog?
I wasn’t aware there was a vote that elected you on who can or can’t give opinions.
I think we have to be careful here. “Ed” may be a troll. I’ve never once attacked anything he says. If I’ve disagreed, it has never been in a sarcastic way to demean him. Agree with him or not, he has given thought to his arguments.
But this “Ed” “statement” is an absolute non-sequitur: it has no relationship to what I posted. That’s at striking variance to the normal Ed Friedemann.
The vast majority of us here, such as Ed, realize we need to get off the Middle East oil teat. We’ve got more wind energy in the U.S. than all fossil fuel reserves worldwide, and the beauty is, wind-energy isn’t depleted.
If we must rely on fossil fuels for the near and medium-term future, Canada and our own coal, oil and natural gas reserves can substitute fully for MidEast oil within a decade, if we mount a “Manhattan Project” paradigm for rapid development, albeit at higher extraction and processing costs. The choice: pay up to be independent, or be an impoverished dependent on medieval regimes.
“MPS, What transportation will you use? Your flying carpet?”
Or your wife’s broom?
ksgrm can make any statements he wants. I’m just pointing out that readers can judge malarkey for what it is. Kansas, do you have a problem with this?
Kansas, what Newsweek article are you refering to? Go ahead and post the link: Newswek articles are available online. I can’t say I read a Newsweek article that has no specification. So go ahead and post the link to it, and then let’s discuss the article.
I’m not demanding that ksgrm or anyone else should put up documentation or shut up. I’m just saying that if ksgrm has no documentation, and wants to post fiction–putting words to Jay Leno’s pen that he never scribed, for example– has a First Amendment right to do so. But nobody can expect any thinking people, whether they be Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians or Greens, to accept copy-and-paste reproductions of fabrications of some mentally-ill sociopathic propagandist as fact.
MPS if I attributed something to Jay Leno that wasn’t his I am indeed sorry for that. That doesn’t change the sentiments in it. Actually I was on my high school debate team and we had to source each ‘opinion’. I saw this and it reminded me of the complainers on the blog othe other day. Farmgrl was trying to tell me she was poor and I had to remind her that she had a bed to sleep in each night, food on the table and clothes on her back.
How many countries in this world we live in couldn’t say that. People live in poverty we can’t even imagine.
Still we complain each and every day about inane stupid arguments that don’t mean a thing. We are constantly running political candidates down (both sides) when people in most countries would die for the privilige just to be able to vote.
If we were to go back and start giving credit to which party contributed the most I guess we would first give the Republican party the credit for abolishing slavery and the republican under Nixon credit for bring the original civil rights bill to a vote. It was kill by such illustrious demos as Al Gore Sr.
A worthless and futile exercise don’t you think?
We should be proud to be citizens of the greatest country in the world and to have so much that we are envied by most nations.
The author was Craig R Smith with WorldNet Daily. He deserves the credit for such a well thought out piece and not Jay Leno. MPS glad you brought this to my attention.
MPS
You said:
“some mentally-ill sociopathic propagandist as fact.”
Post a link to the medical records which substantiate that [ goose-gander?].
By the way MPS I have missed an old ‘friend’ on the blog since coming back from vacation and you sound amazingly like him. Do you know WSClark?
MPS,
This is an informal Blog, not a scholarly review board.
Need I add more in describing said Blog?
MPS used to post under a different name ksgrm. He was a Medical Doctor, forgot his name, but it’s the same person.
The one who used to post about the superiority of Hollyfornia over the rest of the U.S.
It’s unfortunate that some adolescent is trolling Ed Friedemann. Dear Mr. Whoever You Are, your references magic carpet and broom-riding demonstrate your infatuation to magical things. You can’t make a lucid argument. This is why your momma should restrict your activities, because watching Harry Potter movies has not made you a literate, thinking person.
Instead, you are an ignorant person. The best you can think of is to try to impersonate other people, but you can’t even do this, because Ed Friedemann’s posts are totally different from yours. Your last posts demonstrate, in my experiend the mind of a publicly-schooled ill-educated 13-16 year old. I’m not going to surmise that you 25 or 30 years old, or older, because only someone of that age with mental disability would make your statements, and it wouldn’t be fair to such a person, for me to parry with someone who qualifies for aid under the Americans With Disabilities Act. It would be like a skilled swordsman having to fend off someone who possessed a diminished IQ issuiing threats while brandishing a butter knife.
Guess this is bush’s method of getting tough with the Saudies, notice a military arms increase to Israel also.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/washington/28weapons.html?ex=1343275200&en=22c72e24c6e31f13&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
MPS sounds like the Gore bush match up in the debates, the public automatically felt defensive for poor challenged bush.
Kansas, on another post you cited the state of Kansas’s above-average GSP increase (3.5%) relative to the nation. That was only for 2005-2006. I showed that A. longer-term trends were more meaningful, B. Kansas’s far below-national average real-dollar GSP meant that Kansas could not catch up when the actual dollar count increase was less than regions that had lower-than-Kansas values, and C. GSP does not reflect take-home household incomes.
We both referenced the same data source: You cited a BEA source, which had a nice pretty breakout map of the U.S. for 2006. I went to the tables for 2002-2006 shown below the map.
You can criticize me for looking at a complete website’s page, when you don’t know how to scroll. You can criticize me for knowing how to do the math that you can’t. But, you really shouldn’t post numbers if you don’t know what they mean. Or, what I mean is nobody should take your pontifications for meaningful information. For example, if you think that 3.4% growth on $31 k for 2006 = $32 k is better for Kansans than 2.6% of $41 k = $42,000, you need to take Algebra I, which your statement indicates you either never did, or else didn’t “get”. Most people recognize that $42 k is better than $32 k.
Why don’t you enroll in a WSU course in algebra? If math isn’t your thing, don’t. But if you post numbers here, without knowing what they mean, why should WEBlog readers accept numbers posted by a mathematics-ignorant person?
Clarification:
B. Kansas’s far below-national average real-dollar GSP meant that Kansas could not catch up when the actual dollar count increase was less than regions that had lower-than-Kansas values,
should have read
B. Kansas’s far below-national average real-dollar GSP meant that Kansas could not catch up when the actual dollar count increase was less than regions that had lower-than-Kansas PERCENTAGE values,
ksgrm,
The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. Nixon was then a private citizen, plotting a strategy to become California governor in the 1966 election, in which he failed.
KsGrm… Are you in a parallel universe or what?? In the Universe where I live, Nixon didnt have one single solitary thing to DO with enacting the Civil Rights Bill of 1964… He wasnt even the losing governor candidate for California… He was a private citizen… Lyndon Johnson and the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Bill in 1964…
Is this just your bad memory(which is ok) or is this the way your folks like to write revised history??
“Black people continued to remain at a disadvantage when looking for work, and programmes of “affirmative action” were introduced during the 1970s under President Nixon.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/2/newsid_3787000/3787809.stm
This is what I was referring to. I was just pointing up the absurity of MPS’s claims and by the way some of yours are just as far out.
Thanks for the fact check from you and MPS though. It might have let you see that the civil rights act of ‘64 passed not because of the demos but because of the republican support. Check that out.On 30 August following a record-breaking filibuster by South Carolina senator Strom Thurmond, the Senate approved the country=s first major civil rights legislation since 1875. In the following letter to Nixon, King concludes that the Civil Rights Bill of 1957, which had been weakened by the Senate, “is better than no bill at all,” and conveys his hope that the president would not veto it. Nixon replied on 17 September.”http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/publications/papers/vol4/570830-000-To_Richard_M._Nixon.htm
The letter on this site tells me that King as well as many others recognized the contribution of Nixon to the civil rights movement. Live and learn. Isn’t is amazing what some people don’t know. Chas are you in a parallel universe or what? Being an avid history student I knew this why didn’t you.
Looks like we can thank nixon for quotas and reverse discrimination.
The Kansas Republican Party has entered its death spiral. From Hawver’s Capitol Flash, received just minutes ago:
*******”The constitution changes get at a long-sought power, blackballing Republicans who support Democrats. After a series of votes, the committee created a five-member “Loyalty Committee” that would investigate complaints of any Republican party officeholder who “by any documented public action donates, contributes, endorses a candidate other than the Republican nominee in a contested partisan campaign for public office in Kansas.”
Basically, the Loyalty Committee would hear complaints that a precinct, county, district or state officer publicly assisted a Democrat, and could strip the Republican of any party titles or jobs. (It’s trickier with precinct committee people, because they are actually elected. They’d just lose their vote at any district conventions, say, to name a successor to a legislator who resigns in mid-term.)
*******
If they hadn’t run off most of their major donors before, this should do the trick.
Oh, to put that post in context - the Kansas GOP had their summer state convention today, and changed their “constitution,” or bylaws.
Sorry for leaving that out.
Tom is this why we haven’t heard much from you today. You were attending the GOP state convention?
What article did I post MPS and why didn’t you reference a post where I stated said information? Perhaps you only included things out of context?
As far as insulting what math I took in College, you wouldn’t know would you?
I imagine you used such insults because you couldn’t get your point across with enough emphasis to make your premise stick.
Don’t create stories out of thin air MPS that are false and expect them to bolster your credibility.
So, no matter what, don’t ever cross party lines if you’re a Republican? Sounds like a recipe for misguided loyalty to me. I’ll stick with weighing the issues, the candidates position on those issues, their experience and character.
Sounds like the Repubs are going so far to the right that they will soon fall off the flat earth’s crust.
So now the Repubs will have to support say, Fred Phelps if he chooses to run for office against a Democrat
No, Ksgrm, I wasn’t in Topeka today. I’ve been busy with other things. I would no longer be welcome at a KSGOP convention anyhow
Linda that is improbable in that Phelps is a democrat.
Democratic PartyPhelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998.[31] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31% of the vote [32] Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993 [33] and 1997. [34]
Don’t try to throw him into the GOP party.
MPS,
You should ask the many-named ‘Kansas’ for his proof about his claim re the Sierra Club and New Orleans levees.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74564578
Okay cosmos, you were warned several times not to keep re-posting old posts for the purpose of stalking me.
“What article did I post MPS and why didn’t you reference a post where I stated said information? Perhaps you only included things out of context?”
Posted by: Kansas | July 28, 2007 at 06:37 PM
I was only providing MPS some “reference” links, so that s/he could easily understand the FULL “context” of the many-named Kansas’ claims.
That’s not “stalking”.
MPS
“Dear Mr. Whoever You Are, your references magic carpet and broom-riding demonstrate your infatuation to magical things. You can’t make a lucid argument.”
MPS, I made the comment about “magic carpet and broom-riding” out of frustration in dealing with the current crisis with Israel and their propensity toward war in the Middle East and using the long-term argument about switching our current needs as to crude oil now, to somehow address the immediate situation.
If our economy crashes now, we will not have the money needed to switch to anything or actually even the need to use energy.
A Middle East war will shutdown our entire economy.
The solution is to shutdown Israeli aggression now, as the Zionist currently in control are exploiting the Jewish Religion’s expectation, as the chosen people, to rule everything.
The reason our constitution begins by forbidding the “establishment of religion” is due to just such a fantasy applied as a practical matter.
Religion and reality do not mix and the founders understood that.
“MPS, What transportation will you use? Your flying carpet?”
I was asking: with our economy in shambles, our transportation would be shutdown for good. What would be left?
Well cosmos, you have entered into many topics and entered the same post via hyperlink over and over dozens of times.
I would call that harassment and stalking and duly reported to the proper person.
Waay to much thread space is consumed with the question of identity. Does it really matter, if a person post a statement worth reading/responding to, then read/respond to it. If not skim over/ignore. After a while it’s pretty easy to determine if it’s the same person writing, although I do wish there were an ignore feature sometimes.
I would call that harassment and stalking and duly reported to the proper person.
Posted by: Kansas | July 28, 2007 at 08:53 PM
OK Mr K, step away from the keyboard. You are taking this way too seriously and need to sleep now.
“I would call that harassment and stalking and duly reported to the proper person.”
Posted by: Kansas | July 28, 2007 at 08:53 PM
Thank you very much for reporting me.
“Look in the Congressional Record cosmos, not the Sierra Club. And look at Justice Department reports…..The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
cosmos refuses to look in the Congressional Record to find out the truth.”
Posted by: Republican (aka ‘Kansas’) | July 01, 2007 at 12:51 AMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
The WE Blog opinion editor Phillip Brownlee should INVESTIGATE the above claims made by the many-named ‘Kansas’.
Then Mr. Brownlee should start a blog thread, with his results.
And if the WE Blog decides to ban me for pointing out that ‘Kansas’ has no credibility — that’s okay with me. The readers, now and in the future will know the truth.
In fact, I seem to be wasting my time here, so …
cosmos,
You don’t get it. You can say what you want to say 2,3,4,5 times or whatever.
But when you do it daily, several times a day and across topics, then it becomes harassment and stalking.
By the way cosmos, you have been doing this since May. I have been more than tolerant.
Oh my. Someone is having a meltdown.
Repetitive postings is somehow “stalking,” but threatening to show up at people’s homes, and threatening to burglarize people’s offices, is somehow okay…
Multi-named ‘Kansas’,
You LIED about the Sierra Club since May.
But instead of admitting that your posts about the Sierra Club, etc were INACCURATE, you want to get me banned.
Heh! That’s a great example of Republican “personal responsibility”! /sarcasm OFF
But I digress.
It would be far more entertaining to talk about my 5:59pm post, where it’s reported that the Kansas Republican party is having a statewide meltdown.
The KSGOP has been fracturing for several years. Prominent Republicans are abandoning the party as the radicals try to consolidate their control. Paul Morrison, our recently elected Attorney General, and Mark Parkinson, our recently elected Lieutenant Governor, are high-profile examples.
Average people like me and many, many others have also left the party over the past few years. I changed my registration on April 6, 2005. I had second thoughts for quite a while, but none now.
Our state legislature is, in practice, a three-party system. Democrats, traditional Republicans, and radical “conservative” Republicans. Today’s actions by the radicals will only further the split in the Republican party. The fragile coalition of moderates and radicals will almost certainly fail next session; it almost disintegrated this year.
Fun fact: The Republicans can’t dump their new Loyalty Oath until late next January at their “Kansas Days” state convention. They’re stuck with it til then.
So between now and then, the Republicans will be cutting each other’s throats. Fundraising in preparation for next year’s election cycle will dry up. Candidate recruitment will fizzle because A) the Repubs will be busy committing fratricide and B) who wants to run in THIS climate?
The Democratic Party, on the other hand, will keep recruiting Republicans to switch, will keep recruiting quality candidates, will keep raising money, will keep putting together policies that are for the good of all Kansans.
Another interesting factoid: As moderate, traditional Republicans move into the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party will become more moderate, and in the best way. Smaller, more responsible government combined with a respect for individual civil rights, and a fading of hateful people pushing their hateful social issues.
I can’t wait.
cosmos, when you start posting the same Sierra Club post from May several times a day, every day since May in many topics then it becomes harassment.
It didn’t matter what the topic was, you would post it just to be disruptive.
I posted this KSGOP loyalty pledge (see below) a couple of weeks ago, when it arrived in my email. Who knew they really meant it? I thought it was the ravings of a madman, and that they would _never_ do something so idiotic.
It looks like the madmen are truly in charge of the KSGOP.
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GOP Unity Pledge
I, _______________, promise never to abandon my present Republican Party affiliation for the purpose of political gain. The Republican Party, both nationally and domestically, was founded on sound and principled ideals, that include but are not limited to, personal liberty, individual freedom, responsive and citizen-based Government, life-affirming values, economic growth, strong and cutting edge military, low taxes and a mutual respect for fellow Republicans. Because of that, I will, at no point in my political or personal future, find cause to transfer my Party loyalty to any other affiliated organization.
I will not, at any future moment, become a registered Democrat for the purpose of seeking any political office. Additionally, I will not change my Party affiliation to that of any peripheral political party, such as the Reform Party, the Green Party or the Libertarian Party. Such a move would be not only opportunistic, it would be an unjustified trampling of everything that I previously claimed to stand for.
I care far too deeply about the previously espoused Republican ideals as well as the thousands of hard-working Republican citizens all over the State of Kansas to ever consider changing my political Party affiliation. I look forward to a life of citizen-serving, Republican political involvement. I thank the Kansas Republican Party, including all of the registered Kansas Republicans, for their years of service, good will and friendship.
I solemnly pledge to always be a Republican, no matter what promises are made by external forces seeking only to undermine the Republican values I stand for. I can have reasonable disagreement with members of the Republican Party; however, at no point will ‘Party switching’ or quitting of the Party be tolerable.
Signed,
Why is it that so many mistake Phelps as a Republican? Hmm.
That should tell you something.
We dems don’t claim him.
“cosmos, when you start posting the same Sierra Club post from May several times a day, every day since May in many topics then it becomes harassment.”
Posted by: Kansas | July 28, 2007 at 10:28 PM
“SEVERAL times a day, EVERY day since May in MANY topics”???
Okay, document YOUR above claim in a post to the We Blog, and in an email to Mr. Brownlee.
And don’t forget that YOU reposted your May lie on July 1 —
What a boring, and lying troll. He can’t accept personal responsiblity for his lies, so he posts lies about me. BIG yawn…
The issue of democrat or republican is irrelevant.
America has been taken over by hostile forces which no longer represent the will of the People.
We have been conquered.
There are only Americans and the conquering neocon/Zionists, and those who haven’t figured that out yet.
The neocon/Zionists on this blog keep referring to democrats and republicans, when neither of those groups represent the American People.
The new government can take your property through “eminent domaine” according to the new SCOTUS and all other rights no longer exist. Only the enemy’s proceedures remain in place.
The newspapers only report the government line and make no mention of the takeover.
So, there are only Americans and the enemy left on our soil.
So, now what do we do?
“Okay, document YOUR above claim in a post to the We Blog, and in an email to Mr. Brownlee.” Posted by: cosmos | July 28, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Already have, gave him 20 examples of the same post on 20 different days including today.
Oh Tom, I am gonna sleep sooooo well tonight. That loyalty oath =dreams of a Democratic majority in the KS leg. dancing in my head.
:::contented sigh:::
My dog’s bigger than your dog… My Dad can whip your Dad… My car is faster than your car… and on and on and on…..
Tom:
The “unity pledge” is NOT a Republican party creation. It’s the creation of “stay red Kansas,” whoever they may be.
http://blog.stayredkansas.com/2007/07/11/gop-unity-pledge.aspx
I know of nothing by the Kansas Republican party of any sort of “loyalty pledge” as you’ve posted here. While this “stay red kansas” site apparantly offers such a pledge, the Kansas GOP has NOT adopted any such pledge.
You’ve been duped. But you’re not alone.
http://www.gonemild.com/2007/07/loyalty-pledges-for-kansas-republicans.html#comments
GMC,
Duped? Did you overlook my post from earlier where I quoted from Hawver’s Capitol Flash about what the KSGOP decided to do to their party bylaws today?
In case you missed it, I’ll repost the excerpt:
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“The constitution changes get at a long-sought power, blackballing Republicans who support Democrats. After a series of votes, the committee created a five-member “Loyalty Committee” that would investigate complaints of any Republican party officeholder who “by any documented public action donates, contributes, endorses a candidate other than the Republican nominee in a contested partisan campaign for public office in Kansas.”
Basically, the Loyalty Committee would hear complaints that a precinct, county, district or state officer publicly assisted a Democrat, and could strip the Republican of any party titles or jobs.”
*****
I don’t know if the “Loyalty Pledge” that’s been floating around the net originated with Stayredkansas or somewhere else. But it’s bad enough that it’s out there, and that KSGOP voted today the way they did.
It’s not me that’s been duped. It’s responsible Republicans who have been duped by their own party’s leadership.
Tom:
Got a cite to this KSGOP vote? I’ve been serching the web for a news report of source; found nothing but the same bogus “pledge” you cited; and it’s just that - bogus.
Not saying I won’t just take your word for it, but . . . .
GMC,
My source is Hawver’s Capitol Flash, which is a service of Hawver’s Capitol Report. Martin Hawver is a long-time reporter in the state Capitol, and is widely read and widely respected. Hawver also writes a syndicated column that is picked up by most of the major Kansas newspapers.
You can take a look at hawvernews.com for more information. It’s not the greatest website, but the reports they send out are top quality.
Better dead than red.
Good Night Mrs. Calabash, wherever ya are!!
I looked at the Kansas Republican Website and saw no reference to any such pledge.
I think this may be a local activist group who thought it may have been a “good” idea.
I read it and certainly would never sign such a thing and most likely call the presenter a kook.
Martin Hawver does NOT lie! He is extremely well respected in the capital and the rest of the state. His opinions are highly sought, and his word is universally regarded as good.
If you doubt Hawver, you are treading on thin ice.
And btw, I STILL think this “loyalty” pledge and the actions of the KSGOP this weekend sound more like an ONION article than responsible political activity.
Farmgrrl,
I think GMC is right about the “Loyalty Pledge” that’s been circulating - it’s the product of whoever is behind the Stayredkansas blog.
But yesterday’s vote by the KSGOP state committee is what it is.
In the days leading up to last January’s Republican State Convention, the rumors in the Capitol were that both top candidates for Chair of the party were letting people know they were going to “purge” the moderates in the upcoming election cycle. My understanding was that both Kris Kobach (the eventual winner) and Tim Huelskamp were going to target moderate Republican senators in their primaries. Yesterday’s actions prove that Kobach has now gotten so full of his own ego that he thinks he can purge the party of _every_ traditional, moderate Republican.
Good luck with that, Kobach.
ksgrm, I thought you had been posting to this board long enough to know the poster’s name comes after their post. Guess not. Maybe you just find glee at jumping on some people?
“Already have, gave him 20 examples of the same post on 20 different days including today.”
Posted by: Republican | July 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM
It’s been about 60 days since May 26.
You claimed upthread that I posted it “several times a day, every day since May”,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-728.html#comment-77520458
“EVERY day” = about 60 days. So find my posts about your Sierra Club lie on about 40 more different days — or be honest, and admit that you again posted a lie.
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