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- By Phillip Brownlee
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Pictures from Greensburg as rebuilding begins: My son has been in Greensburg helping with the rebuilding for much of the last month. See some of the pictures he sent me yesterday:
http://web.saljournal.com/blogs/?p=1866
Excellent photos Meadowlark! Thank you for much for sharing and caring!
“Background: The U.S. Department of Education’s guidelines say students can pray at public schools during school hours by themselves or with fellow students. However, Šteachers and other public school officials may not lead their classes in prayer, devotional readings from the Bible or other religious activities.
What’s happening: A substitute teacher claimed that Carver Elementary School in San Diego was indoctrinating students into Islam, and that a teacher’s aide led Muslim children in prayer. An investigation failed to substantiate the claims, but the allegations have thrust Carver into a nationwide debate over prayer in schools.
The future: Carver, which has set aside a 15-minute break to allow time for students to pray, is considering alternative prayer accommodations. Religious and civil rights groups are monitoring developments.”
Write your reps —- I’ve read that the new 06 representatives tried to stop this but the old guard sees it as their right!
House members seek pay raise of $4,400
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Thu Jun-28-07
WASHINGTON – Despite low approval ratings and hard feelings from last year’s elections, Democrats and Republicans in the House are reaching out for an approximately $4,400 pay raise that would increase their salaries to almost $170,000.
The cost-of-living raise endorsed Wednesday evening gets lawmakers back on track for automatic pay raises after a fight between the parties last year and again in January killed the pay increase due this year. That was the first interruption of the annual congressional pay boost in seven years.
The blowup came after Democrats last year fulfilled a campaign promise to deny themselves more pay until Congress raised the minimum wage. Delays in the minimum wage bill cost every lawmaker about $3,100 this year.
On a 244-181 vote Wednesday, Democrats and Republicans alike killed a bid by Reps. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, and Lee Terry, R-Neb., to get a direct vote to block the COLA, which is automatically awarded unless lawmakers vote to block it. The Senate has not indicated when it will deal with a similar measure.
As part of an ethics bill in 1989, Congress gave up its ability to accept pay for speeches and made annual cost-of-living pay increases automatic unless the lawmakers voted otherwise.
Speaking of representatives and senators:
Should an elected official run on his thoughts, beliefs, and philosophy of government, and then stick to those beliefs, or should he simply reflect what he can best understand those he represents want. And if he does so, and gets reelected, isn;t he representing his constituency?
littlejohn! Yes!
well, they increased the minimum wage, so I don’t see why they can’t take it now.
LJ, a person should stick to what they believe is best ACCORDING TO LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION, but when it comes to limiting other people’s rights, heck no.
Joe Williams–Yes to which? or all?
Political Mom-I am trying to clarify what you meant. Did you mean that they should stick to what they believe in, but not if that is “limiting” peoples rights? Then they should follow the majority–Is that what you mean?
The United States should no longer support the Rogue Terrorist State of Israel.
Having to force a recipient of Foreign Aid to behave with moral conviction should be a prerequisite for even being recognised.Last update – 18:22 02/07/2007U.S. Senate bill would forbid Israel from using U.S. aid to buy cluster bombsBy Shmuel Rosner and Meron Rapoport, Haaretz CorrespondentsWASHINGTON – The U.S. Senate version of the Foreign Aid legislation for 2008 includes an amendment that would prevent Israel from purchasing cluster bombs with American military aid.
The Senate appropriations committee voted in favor of the bill late last week.
Israel’s use of cluster bombs during last year’s Second Lebanon War was highly criticized by human rights organizations.
The U.S. investigated the use of cluster bombs, looking to find whether Israel had breached its agreement with the U.S. over the circumstances under which it is permitted to use such deadly ammunition.
During the war, Israel made use of American-made cluster bombs that left behind thousands of unexploded bomblets, even though Israel Military Industries produces cluster bombs that leave nearly no unexploded munitions.
The main reason for the use of the U.S.-made weapons: Israel uses American military aid funds to purchase cluster bombs from the U.S., and in order to buy IMI-made bombs, the Israel Defense Forces would have to dip into its own budget.
“The consideration is budgetary,” a defense related source said. However, each IMI-made cluster bomblet costs a mere $10.
The cluster bombs constitute the number one humanitarian problem facing Lebanon after the war because many of the bomblets remain unexploded and as duds, they have turned into make-shift mines, converting towns, villages and fields into undeclared minefields.
Dozens of civilians, including many children, have been killed or maimed by unexploded bomblets in southern Lebanon since the cease-fire.
In the 1990s, following injuries to Israeli soldiers by unexploded clusters, a decision was made to develop better munitions at IMI. According to globalsecurity.org, the rate of duds in cluster bomblets made by IMI ranges from 0.2 percent to 1 percent. In figures, this translates into one dud out of every 500 IMI-made bomblets, compared to one out of every three in the American-made ones.
To date IMI has manufactured some 60 million such bomblets, designated M85, and has exported them to many armies throughout the world.
Haaretz has also learned that Senator Leahy, the head of the State-Foreign Operations Appropriations subcommittee, was trying last week to downgrade American aid to Israel by changing the language of the bill.
Leahy ultimately failed when other members of the committee told him the changes he introduced were unacceptable to them.
Read the full story on Rosner’s Domain.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/877377.html
LJ! A representative is often elected and they run on their thoughts, beliefs, and philosophy of government, and they usually stick to those beliefs unless the political climate changes and they will change with it. Meaning that they represent their constituancy and abide by their thoughts, beliefs and philosophy of government. That is what gets them elected in the first place.
Joe-
So they run on their own beliefs, and get elected because enough people want someone to have those beliefs, or at least agree with the majority of the candidates belief. Then the now elected representative abandons his own opinion when he believes the majority of his constituency has changed thiers? So, the representative should represent what he believes the majority position should be? Is there no room for what is “right” versus what is “popular”?
In our current system of electing Candidates to office. The “popular” is what wins out.
I don’t necessarily agree with it. I wouldn’t mind like the House to be popularly elected, but the Senate to be selected as it was prior to the 17th Amendment.
But mind you, that popularly elected Candidates are preferred by politicians themselves. Most notably Democrats! Because it’s much easier to depense policy by saying “it’s what the people want!” And those policies are designed to give government more power, more control, to grow in size and put people in dependency and politicians out from accountability.
Why do you think when somebody gets elected, they are basically there for life, unless scandals hit them (Democrats are exempt of course).
Joe-
i am well aware of the shortcomings of the way people get and people stay elected. On both parties. My intent was to generate some discussion and to try and identify the “way it should be”. I think there needs to be a naitonal discussion with people on what they want their reps to do. I hear way too often, “the sobs just do what it takes to get reelected” Well, it stands to at least some reason that is what they should be doing. Representing their local constituency and thusly getting reelected. But that is not always “what is right”, is it?
I look for a candidate that shares the same priorities in their life that I do.
When in office I want them to cast their vote mainly based on principles. There is a lot of room on most issues to form an opinion based on the wishes of your constituency without violating your principles.
If you have a good handle on your priorities and base them on your principles it makes your decisions in life and politics easier.
Hank
I think it has to be some sort of combination. We cannot know all the issues that a legislator will face in an up-coming term; se we elect someone whos values and intellect seem to be what we are comfortable with. On the other hand, with some issues we can do almost a ‘referendum’ and he might then follow that rather than his internal feelings.
Well said Hank.
Thanks Ben, you too!
So, for hot button issues like abortion, gay rights, global warming, prayer in schools, ethanol plants, a representativ should vote as his constituency wishes?
Well! LJ! There is one figure you are missing out of this whole equation.
When you say constituancy, I’m assuming you mean average folks like us. The masses as they say. But to a politicians, there are different constituencies within their representation blanket.
Business and corporate interest is a constituency. Military is one (if your district as a military base). Education constituency (schools, colleges, and Universities) and so on. Which can all be grouped together by the all famous saying “Special Interest”
In political science, a representative is juggling interest groups vs. interest groups. Average citizens aren’t so much in the picture for decision making, which is comes to policy and lawmaking. The only thing an average, single person is for is what they call Constituency Service. Social Security checks, immigration issues, and etc. Little things to help a single individual (usually always handled by staff, not the representatives themselves.)
Hey littlejohn,
I’m wondering, exactly how a representative should go about figuring out how his constituency wants him to vote on issues? Polls? Lobbiests? Letters, emails and phone calls?
If a politician runs his campaign in such a way that I know what his principles and core beliefs are then I can pretty much predict how he will vote on “hot button issues”.
I shouldn’t have to lobby him on the things that I know we are in aggreement with.
Hank
Joe Williams-
All those constituencies you mention (special interest groups) are in reality, groups of people, yes? So, special interest groups is in reality only a group of people that have a like interest, yes? So, the larger the special interest group, the larger number of people within his constituency are representated, yes? In my mind, special interet groups is just a weapon used against one candidate by another, or one group against a candidate. Yes, I understand how poltical science isjuggling one interest group against another. Individuals often do make no difference, because they are too lazy or ignorant of how the system works. But how isit supposed to work? Majority rule? And is that his majority? or the majority of the nation? And Hank brings out a question. How to measure the majority?For what it is worth. Here is how I see it
A candidate runs on his core beliefs and philosphies. He is open and candid about issues that are already known to exist, and that have divided “special intersts”. If he is elected, then it would appear that the majority agrees with his positions, and he should remain true to that majority. If another issue comes up, or the majority seems to be tilting the other direction, it is his duty to study the issue, to reach a conclusion consistent with his philosophy, and attempt to educate his voters why he chooses another path. If they disagree, after his best efforts, then he should bend his will to the majority of the voters, as best as he can identify it.
Notice how Sen. Sam Brownback is graded by the Rogue Terrorist State of Israel
From Haaretz:
“How Leahy tried, and failed, to downgrade aid to Israel
“1.
The age of gloating for Democrats over aid to Israel is probably over. It was a sweet ride, but apparently also short. Today, when the National Jewish Democratic Council convenes some reporters in a conference call with Jewish legislators, they had better be prepared to answer questions not just about the Republican decision to oppose aid to Israel, but also about their own Democratic head of subcommittee, who tried to downgrade the aid in an unprecedented way.
2.
And here’s the story, published here for the first time. It involves Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who has never been one of Israel’s staunchest friends on the Hill. Leahy is often critical of the policies and behavior of the Israel (and sometimes rightly so). He is also the Chairman of the State-Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee. In this position, he tried last week – and intimately failed – to change the language of the “Fiscal Year 2008 State and Foreign Operations Appropriations bill,” in ways not favorable to Israel.
3.
Leahy, truth must be told, was not going to hurt Israel financially. It would have gotten the aid one way or the other. However, he did try to downgrade it in many other ways, some very technical, some symbolic. One example: he sought to change the word Shall to Should wherever the bill says that Israel “Shall” get money. This might seem insignificant to people unfamiliar and not attuned to the legislative process, but it is not. Status symbols that have been in the bill for quite a while now are a serious business. And friends of Israel, in the committee and outside of it, reacted in astonishment to this bold trial by Leahy to use his power and introduce such changes at the last minute.
4.
Bottom line: Israel has many friends in this subcommittee. To name just a few, Daniel Inouye from Hawaii, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Sam Brownback of Kansas and many more. It also has good friends on the Appropriations Committee like Dianne Feinstein of California (also often critical, but in a friendlier manner), Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and others. Those friends, some alarmed by outside observers (AIPAC never sleeps), told Leahy they didn’t like what they were seeing. Some testy words were exchanged in the markup session last Thursday. The bill, as it was introduced and passed, does not include the language Leahy wanted. In that sense, one can just treat this wrangling and shoving as if it had never happened.
5.
And this is exactly the strategy of Senator Leahy. When I called his office Friday I was told that the events described here had never happened, a reaction some people on the Hill labeled “laughable” and some “outrageous.” Nevertheless, the lack of cooperation of Leahy’s office left me – and others – with no answer to one crucial question: why was he doing it?
6.
A couple of days ago, writing about the Republican opposition to the Foreign Aid bill in the House, I wrote this: “It is possible to argue today – with a certain amount of justice – that the Republican Party prefers preventing the distribution of condoms in third-world countries over supporting defense aid to Israel. All the rest is excuses.” Some Republican legislators didn’t like it. They thought I was overreacting to their perfectly legitimate political calculation. They also realized that their opposition to the bill handed the Democratic Party a useful weapon in the war over who’s-the-better-party-for-Israel. My suspicion is that Leahy might have taken that weapon away now.
7.
Democrats might say: Leahy is just one Senator. We, as a party, didn’t try to harm Israel in any way, and some of our members were instrumental in blocking Leahy. True.
But Republicans will also have something to say: we never targeted the aid to Israel but rather opposed a bill for other reasons (changes to the Mexico City policy). Leahy was going after Israel, and while he is only one Senator – he is the one Senator that Democrats chose to lead them in the Subcommittee responsible for the Israel appropriations.
8.
Leahy did score one achievement, which should not be be counted as a part of the story I was just telling. This achievement is an amendment that will prevent Israel from buying cluster bombs with American aid money. The bill approved by the Appropriations Committee includes a measure, sponsored by Leahy and Feinstein, that would restrict the sale or transfer of cluster bombs. No military funds will be used for such bombs unless “the cluster bombs have a failure rate of one percent or less; and the sale or transfer agreement specifies that the cluster bombs will be used only against clearly defined military targets and not where civilians are known to be present.” The Lebanon war is the reason for the passage of this amendment in the Senate committee this year.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=877394&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1
Member of the U.N. Climate Team Says You Can’t Accurately Predict Climate Change
Friday, June 29, 2007
By Brit HumeFox News
Computer Models
A noted climate scientist who is part of the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, now says computer models cannot predict future climate — and he says the IPCC is not in the climate prediction business.
Kevin Trenberth of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research wrote on a nature magazine blog that the U.N.’s dire forecasts about the dangers of global warming are not climate predictions.
He says they are “what if” projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios. And he admits the computer models don’t even consider things such as the recovery of the ozone layer.
He writes — “The current projection method…can not work for many aspects of climate, especially those related to the water cycle…The science is not done because we do not have reliable or regional predictions of climate.”
Killer Rabbit :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ez5QPW-ku4
Well, it looks like I was incorrect again in my thought that Scooter would be able to stay out on appeal:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.prison.ap/index.html
Mercy… the Blog is about as quiet today as Antarctica on the 4th of July!! LOL
Vaughn… Did you notice CNN says Libby’s last hope is an appeal to Justice John Roberts??
Hmmm I wonder if that might be the reason Bush has been so quiet on the Libby cse??
The odds are getting heavier we’ll see a pardon very soon. I don’t think Libby is such a trooper he’ll do the time if he could cut a deal.
Wow, its quieter on this Blog today, than a baby sleeping in a house full of deaf people!! LOL
On Libby, the question becomes should Bush commute his sentence or pardon him outright. I see downsides on both for Bush. Commuting would have the effect of saying he broke the law, but it doesn’t matter. A pardon would say, he/we are above the law and the whole thing. Neither are good messages. But what does Bush have to lose? Not much that I can tell.
Anybody think that Bush/Cheney will let Scooter go to prison? I do not think that will happen.
You were right Steven. The sentence has been commuted by President Bush. He will still serve probation and pay a fine.
Quiet on the blog?
The longer you are around here, the more you realize that when some folks are not here, on vacation, etc…
… all their ten thousand nics go with them!
As for me, I’m just busy. Others probably are too. And it is a holiday week. Just not for farmers and entrepreneurs.
Was there ever any doubt about what bushco would do? BFEE
So the Republicans and that whole “Rule of Law” thing was just more bullshit, right?
Damn, that is disgusting.
That’s what I thought Clark. The rule of law is dead. These guys dont even TRY to hide it anymore.
And besides, they always have SCOTUS to back them up. For now.
The Scumbag in Chief makes a mockery of our judicial system. But then what would you expect?
You whining libs are funny. What are you gonna do when that witch Ginsberg kicks off and Shrub appoints another Opus Dei reactionary to the bench? hehehehehehe
Bush Commutes ‘Scooter’ Libby’s Prison Sentence
Associated PressMonday, July 02, 2007
“WASHINGTON — President Bush commuted the sentence of former aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Monday, sparing him from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case.
Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, according to a senior White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision had not been announced.”
Let me repeat that, just in case the Libs don’t feel the salt in their self-made wounds enough. :D
Bush Commutes ‘Scooter’ Libby’s Prison Sentence
Associated PressMonday, July 02, 2007
“WASHINGTON — President Bush commuted the sentence of former aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Monday, sparing him from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case.
Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, according to a senior White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision had not been announced.”
Isn’t Libby Jewish? Maybe Ed will chime in with his analysis.
This deal was struck for Libby’s silence, before he even testified. There may be some small satisfaction for the public when the civil law suit is done. Except the wealthy Republican donors will pay the expenses.
Libby, Abramoff, it all sounds like a zionist plot to me.
‘Predictions of climate’http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/06/predictions_of_climate.html“A consensus has emerged that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal” to quote the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Working Group I Summary for Policy Makers http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Pub_SPM.pdf (pdf) and the science is convincing that humans are the cause.Hence mitigation of the problem: stopping or slowing greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere is essential. The science is clear in this respect.
However, the science is not done because we do not have reliable or regional predictions of climate. But we need them. Indeed it is an imperative! …
We will adapt to climate change. The question is whether it will be planned or not? How disruptive and how much loss of life will there be because we did not adequately plan for the climate changes that are already occurring?
Kevin TrenberthClimate Analysis Section, NCAR”
the last time I heard anything from Bush about Scooter was that he would not be getting in the middle of it. Now, it looks like GWB has told another lie – the minute it was certain that pretty boy Scooter was about to get his dance card punched in prison – the little emperor comes to his rescue.
This is just more of Bush and Gang arrogance showing through. The election cannot come soon enough for me. I’m hoping Bush and Gang continue to thumb their noses at every court in the land and at every American citizen because each time they do, the more Americans will be joining the already 75% of Americans who do not believe one word Bush utters.
I wonder just how low the little emperor’s approval ratings will actually go?
are we outraged enough yet?
it is time to get rid of this dictator
every slap in the face they have given us has been met with thank you sir, may I have another.
I thought the president agreed to punish whomever was responsible for the outing of the CIA COVERT AGENT
he doesn’t give one chit for anyone but himself and his cronies
Yeah shoveit…you tell ‘em!
Oh and btw, just look at the long list of pardons Clinton did.
Then come on back for some more of your whining.
We love to hear the impotent Democratic Party whine.
Weinberg and the Iran-Contra Five.
Any pardons issued by Clinton are trumped by Poppy Bush.
The Bush Family Evil Empire trumps all good and decency in the world.
yea, sure, right… here we go again… blame it on clinton!! That mantra is about worn out after THIS President’s lies and legal dodges…. BUT, I think FORD gets the top prize… Pardons Nixon for crimes committed, OR NOT YET committed!! Sold the country down the river on that one… MUCH more grievous than any of the clinton pardons!! some of which could be questionable!!
God: “Think I should pardon Chas.”
Satan: “Nope! He has no forgiveness in his heart for anyone! He’s mine Lord!”
:D
Here we go again… Some people dont have any brains at all… and then there are others that cant use what they have… This place is all about expression of opinion… Guess some around here like to mess that up for the entire Blog!!
God forgives ALL… Nobody else has any say in the matter!!
God forgives ALL… Nobody else has any say in the matter!!
Posted by: Chas. | July 02, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Then keep quiet. :)
I have had it with both parties and the entire system. I think America is ready for a military coup.
Hmmm but neither YOU nor BUSH is GOD!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!
Height of arrogance shining through again, Khan???
I wonder what those special forces underground boys are up to these days?
Youre a couple months late, Sarge… That movie was Seven Days in MAY!! LOL It’s July now!! LOL
Hmmm but neither YOU nor BUSH is GOD!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!
Height of arrogance shining through again, Khan???
Posted by: Chas. | July 02, 2007 at 06:19 PM
God forgives ALL… Nobody else has any say in the matter!!
Posted by: Chas. | July 02, 2007 at 06:14 PM
:)
Step back in off the ledge, Chas. I understand that your mythical “god” doesn’t approve of suicide.
Yes, Shakka Khan… even YOU!!
I dont know if my God does or not Sarge… I just know about the concept of TOTAL forgiveness for ALL… even those who might not choose to believe!!
‘Global warming could increase U.S. death rate’http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=global-warming-could-incr&chanId=sa003&modsrc=reuters
‘Global Warming Drying Up Ancient Arctic Ponds’http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070702-arctic-warming.html“Arctic ponds that have hosted diverse ecosystems for thousands of years are now disappearing because of global warming, according to a new study.”
INVASION USAChertoff: We can’t really enforce laws on illegalsHomeland Security chief rips Senate for failing to pass immigration billPosted: July 1, 20071:59 p.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Michael Chertoff
Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff is blasting the U.S. Senate for failing to pass an immigration bill, and claims the federal government doesn’t have the ability to enforce laws when it comes to illegals working in America.
“We’re going to continue to enforce the law. It’s going to be tough,” Michael Chertoff said. “We don’t really have the ability to enforce the law with respect to illegal work in this country in a way that’s truly effective.”
Chertoff appeared on both “Fox News Sunday” and ABC’s “This Week.”
As WND reported, a procedural vote in the Senate effectively killed the controversial immigration reform bill crafted by the White House, Democrats and key Republican leaders.
Chertoff said Senate opponents deprived his department of the ability to ensure stricter enforcement by requiring companies to enter in a system to check their employees’ work status.
“That would be the single greatest additional weapon we could use if we’re serious about tackling this problem,” he said. “I wish we had some of the tools that were left on the floor of the Senate when they abandoned the bill last week, but we will do what we have to do with the resources we have at our disposal.”
Though lawmakers from both parties have said further action on immigration was doubtful this year, Chertoff expressed hope an overhaul of the current system was not dead.
“I think we’re going to say to the members of Congress who think they have a better way that they should produce legislation and pass legislation, which they have not done for the past two years,” he said.
Chertoff also ridiculed the idea that a fence will help solve the problem of border security, pointing out recent efforts at tunneling under them.
“But I do have to say that for people who believe the answer is just fence, yesterday we discovered a tunnel,” he said. “So fencing is not the cure-all for the problem at the border.”
Soooooooooo better get use to having those ten million illegals here for a very, very long time.
We should annex Mexico and make it into “Baje Estados Unidos” and then the illegal immigration problem is solved.
Declare “Baje Estados Unidos” as a sovereign U.S. territory and put some military bases there, along with a few hundred Walmarts and Home Depots. :D
They need to fire Chertoff, they need to revoke his dual citizenship and then they need to deport his ass to Israel where he belongs!
Nancy Pelosi Invests in Iran-Linked Company
By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has disclosed that she holds stock valued at up to $15,000 in Alcatel-Lucent (formerly Alcatel SA), a company with extensive investments in Iran and Sudan — nations that sponsor terrorism.
The disclosure of Pelosi’s holdings comes at the same time that legislation is making its way through the California legislature barring state pension fund managers from investing in companies, like Alcatel-Lucent, that do business with “terror-friendly” nations.
Criticizing Alcatel, former House Armed Services Committee Chairman and current GOP presidential contender Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) expressed his worry over Alcatel’s activities in a letter to President Bush. In it, he wrote, “I am concerned about potential transfers of technology or sensitive information to other countries with which Alcatel has business dealings, which have included Burma, China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria.””
Republican,
So you have have ZERO proof for calling me a liar, etc.?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/bush-spares-fed.html#comment-74703858
Cosmos, he is afraid… very afraid!! LOL
Cosmos, Republican never has any proof of any aaccusations… That is just life on the Blog…