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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted July 14, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Posting into the future now, at 1:06 am on 7/14/07.
Iran has agreed to inspections of its nuclear facilities, and audits of its past projects.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/world/middleeast/14iran.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
There was also an article last week on a telephone survey of Iranians. They’re not happy with their leadership; a large majority want friendship with Europe and America, and engagement in trade, tourism and travel. Since what they mostly have to sell is oil, that could be good news for us.
Coffeyville and Gas Price Hikes
Some people believe the recent 25 cent hike in gas prices are the product of Coffeyville Oil Refinery’s leak due to the July flood.
Governor Kathleen Sebelius said in a news conference last week that the refinery produces less than one percent of the country’s oil, making it difficult to believe the spill would increase gas prices by this margin.
Other than the Coffeyville refinery, Coffeyville Resources’ complex petroleum business includes a crude oil gathering system throughout Kansas and northern Oklahoma, and terminalling facilities in Phillipsburg, Kansas.
Coffeyville Resources’ website reports “The oil refinery has undergone numerous expansions and upgrades since 1995, with aggregate capital expenditures of approximately $550 million, and operates at a throughput of 108,000 barrels per day. The refinery produces approximately 2.1 million gallons of gasoline per day, and 1.7 million gallons of middle distillates per day, predominantly diesel oil.”
Coffeyville Resources Refining & Marketing primarily markets to the Midwestern states of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and Iowa for the sale of its unbranded petroleum products. CRRM’S petroleum products customer list includes petroleum refiners, convenience store operators, railroads and farm cooperatives.
The company distributes its gasoline, diesel fuel, and natural gas liquids produced at the refinery into Magellan’s Central and Mountain pipelines, as well as MAPCO, Valero, and Chase pipelines.
Recent natural disasters are causing problems with fuel deliveries that could hamper the state’s wheat harvest. That prompted Governor Sebelius Tuesday to lift some restrictions on motor carriers making fuel deliveries. Sebelius says the harvest would stop without reliable fuel supplies. Recent flooding has resulted in tanker trucks having to wait longer at loading terminals. That makes is difficult to stay within the limits placed on operator hours.
Check out Coffeyville Resources press releases on the oil spill at http://www.coffeyvillegroup.com/pressRoom.asp—–
Quick, let’s pull out of Iraq now, and maybe we won’t be attacked in the USA!
“A top Taliban commander threatened a terror attack on the West that would dwarf the failed teror plots in London and Glasgow in a broadcast interview.
Taliban military commander Mansour Dadullah told ABC News that last month he supervised the dispatch of miltant cells to United States, Great Britain, Canada and Germany from terror training camps in Pakistan.
“You will, God willing, be witness to more attacks,” Dadullah was quoted in the ABC News report of an interview conducted four days ago.
Click here to read report on ABCNews.com”
http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/2007/07/feel_good_inc.html
“You will, God willing, be witness to more attacks,” Dadullah was quoted in the ABC News report of an interview conducted four days ago.
Posted by: LHG | July 14, 2007 at 02:10 AM
In the wqords of Bush and his Republican followers:
Bring it on!
The Bush administration’s disregard for the rule of law hit another low this week when Harriet Miers, the former White House counsel, defied a Congressional subpoena. Ms. Miers, who was called to testify about the United States attorneys scandal, refused even to show up at the Capitol. A second former official, Sara Taylor, did testify, but she inappropriately invoked executive privilege to dodge key questions. Congress should take firm action to compel Ms. Miers and Ms. Taylor to provide the testimony it is entitled to hear.
Congress has been conducting a much-needed investigation of last year’s dismissal of nine top prosecutors. The evidence so far strongly suggests that the firings were done for improper political reasons, to help Republicans win elections, and that Ms. Miers and Ms. Taylor were involved. As part of its supervisory authority, Congress is entitled to question the two women.
Nevertheless, Ms. Miers refused to appear before the House Judiciary Committee after President Bush — claiming executive privilege — took the extraordinary step of ordering her not to testify. If Congress is seeking any privileged information, Ms. Miers can decline to answer those specific questions. But executive privilege did not negate her legal duty to appear when Congress subpoenaed her.
Ms. Taylor came when summoned by the Senate Judiciary Committee. But she then episodically invoked executive privilege. She refused to answer such basic questions as who decided which prosecutors to fire and why they were fired. But she did tell the committee that she hadn’t attended any meetings with the president where the firings were discussed. Since executive privilege protects a president’s communications with his advisers, that answer seriously undercuts her basis for invoking it.
The House should vote to hold Ms. Miers in contempt. The Senate Judiciary Committee should review Ms. Taylor’s testimony and demand answers to the legitimate questions she refused to answer. If she continues her recalcitrance she, too, should face contempt. Any lesser response would be an invitation to this executive branch, and every future one, to treat Congress not as a co-equal branch of government, but as a little more than an advisory body.
I agree Daddy!!
So… since we’re already fighting them there, so they wont come here, and since LHG says they are planning on coming here anyway, even though right now we are fighting them there….
What’s the point of fighting them “there” if they are still, as you say, coming “here”?
How’s that “fighting them there” thing working?
Seems to me that some of those what are looking at who is fighting where, got their road maps all confused, KFG!! LOL
Chas, they sure did. They should have been on their way to political oblivion, and ended up in Washington DC.
That’s for sure!! LOL
Hey, Tom/KFG… I am working out west next week… I just hope it isnt SO HOT that I get burned up driving next Saturday… I have AC ih my car, but I only have 3 cyl, and I dont like pushing uphill.. LOL
That’s the goddamdest example of circular logic. Fight them there so they wont come here. Then EVERYBODY PANIC when someone gets a “gut” feeling they are coming here. Oh, and they are THREATENING to come here. EVERYBODY PANIC when they threaten.
Hell, how do they screw themselves into that small of a spiral of “logic”?
“but I only have 3 cyl, and I dont like pushing uphill.”
Good thing you are coming out here. You dont have to worry much about going up or down hill.
Thats true KFG… just got one good sized hill around Meade to negotiate… LOL…
Say, anybody hear what Ron Paul has said about expecting some kind of “staged” terror attack, or Gulf of Tonkin type of fiasco??
Cant remember which Web Site I saw that on last nite… I was tired…
Oh, and, is it my imgination, or is troll using several different nics lately??
Chas,
I don’t know if it’s different nics, or the fact that the foul troll-odor has permeated so much of the blog, there’s a faint whiff of it on any “unknown” winger who posts.
well, now, thats a thought… LOL
I am really, really disappointed.
The Eagle has 3, count them, THREE links to the Greensburg tornado on its website; two prominently displayed on the home page – Galleries and Multimedia; a whole section titled Greensburg Tornado, Continuing Coverage; and a dedicated forum in the Discussion Boards. Seems these didn’t take but a heartbeat to set up here. Makes for a great template, too, huh.
According to Eagle reporting, one-fourth of Coffeyville, Kansas, was recently destroyed by a flood, including 70 businesses. Coffeyville, Kansas, population 11,000. One-fourth of a town of 11,000 people is huge.
Yet not a single thing has been put up for the Coffeyville flood victims like the Eagle has done for Greensburg, except for a thread I started yesterday on the In the News discussion board.
It appears the Eagle cares more about restoring some stupid old car than the city of Coffeyville and its people.
That is so cold-blooded.
What is wrong with you people?
If memory serves me, Coffeyville gets a lot more service out of the Pittsburgh, Ft. Scott, Joplin, and Independence areas, than out of Wichita… Eagle might think it is over stepping boundaries in that part of the State??? Just a thought…
However, 60schild… you might want to send an email to the Editor or Publisher instead of to the Blog… That would probably get more attention… This is the Email address for the publisher:
lheldman@wichitaeagle.com
I hope that helps…
Well, time to run some errands, and get some work done around this place… Later y’all!
Yeah, I’m traveling too.
First I’m going to KC to go shopping with my Aunt Alice.
I’m gonna look for a dress for Chas.
Then I’m going gambling at a casino.
Think I’ll eat at a rib place before I come home.
I need to go to work and take out the trash. Lotsa garbage is piling up everywhere.
Some things just dont ever stop… Geez!!!
Geeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz! I thought you had things to do Chas, like look for a job!
Somebody call Waste Management Systems… The garbage is piling up too high again!!
Chas I just love it when you call for help.
You sound soooo desparate!
Are you?
I hear there has been a rash of MPD running through the City… must be in the drugs….
Anybody got bets down on Bonds hitting 756??
I was too wondering how a small refinery could impact the gas prices so much in our area. This is bullsheet.
Just imagine that everytime a farmer lost a local crop, that the price of your bread went up 30 cents.
I think the oil companies try to use any excuse they can to come up with to raise the price of oil.It’s getting absurd, and the dems need to get this investigation really rolling. But everytime the price drops, people quit talking about it.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen in my life a tripling of the price of anything in such a short period of time. It aint right. Their refinery excuses are growing old, because we know they are the ones who dismantled all their refineries to begin with.
Pmom,
If a full percentage point of the nation’s wheat supply was damaged, I’m sure we’d see a significant increase in the cost of wheat-based products. 1% is quite a bit of wheat, and quite a bit of gasoline.
Also, looking at the Coffeyville refinery’s service area, what that implies is that fuel must now be diverted from other regions to satisfy the demand in that service area. The sheer volume, and logistics of fuel delivery, make this kind of disruption very expensive.
KFG, I am still marveling over the logic that if we draw down in Iraq it would give a safe haven for Al-Qaeda to plan and carry out attacks on the U.S. But what if the main players in Al-Qaeda can not afford the travel money it would take to move their planning and operations from the safe haven in Pakistan?Can they then apply for a loan from the world bank? Have a bake sale, “hey try my Kashmir, goat milk chip cream cookies!” ? Damn logic keeps getting in the way every time the President opens his mouth!
I am thinkng during the Dodgers/Giants series this weekend… Good old fashioned rivalry… Baseball needs a lift in July….
I thought sure Bush was gonna go back to his old mantra… “We’re gonna hunt down the evil-doers, and bring em to justice.” LOL
Troll has more nics than the 6 faces of Eve!! Ha! Ha!
KFG, DID YOU LIKE THE PYRELLI CALENDER?
Them tires ain’t even got the new worn off of them yet.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070714/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
BAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and trainin
The embattled prime minister sought to show confidence at a time when congressional pressure is growing for a withdrawal and the Bush administration reported little progress had been made on the most vital of a series of political benchmarks it wants al-Maliki to carry out.
Al-Maliki said difficulty in enacting the measures was “natural” given Iraq’s turmoil.
But one of his top aides, Hassan al-Suneid, rankled at the assessment, saying the U.S. was treating Iraq like “an experiment in an American laboratory.” He sharply criticised the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations, embarassing the Iraqi government with its tactics and cooperating with “gangs of killers” in its campaign against al-Qaida in Iraq.
Watch Durkin in this funny video,
‘ABC Australia’s Tony Jones Dissects, Debunks Martin Durkin’http://www.desmogblog.com/video-abc-australias-tony-jones-dissects-debunks-martin-durkin
And then vote,
http://www.desmogblog.com/online-poll-vote-for-your-favorite-part-of-the-jones-interview-with-martin-swindle-durkin“What is your favorite part of the ABC Interview “Swindle” filmmaker Martin Durkin?* Everyone is Wrong but Durkin* Climate Scientist Don’t Understand Even the Basics* Dude What’s Up With Your Graph?* Oh, I Forgot My Graph Was 25 Years Old!* No Flaws, No Flaws, No Flaws
Is Today July 15?
I just got this in my email, and can’t resist sharing. It’s the new “Loyalty Pledge” the Kansas Republican Party is making people sign:
GOP Unity Pledge
I, _______________, promise never to abandon my present Republican Party affiliation for the purpose of political gain. The Republican Party, both nationally and domestically, was founded on sound and principled ideals, that include but are not limited to, personal liberty, individual freedom, responsive and citizen-based Government, life-affirming values, economic growth, strong and cutting edge military, low taxes and a mutual respect for fellow Republicans. Because of that, I will, at no point in my political or personal future, find cause to transfer my Party loyalty to any other affiliated organization.
I will not, at any future moment, become a registered Democrat for the purpose of seeking any political office. Additionally, I will not change my Party affiliation to that of any peripheral political party, such as the Reform Party, the Green Party or the Libertarian Party. Such a move would be not only opportunistic, it would be an unjustified trampling of everything that I previously claimed to stand for.
I care far too deeply about the previously espoused Republican ideals as well as the thousands of hard-working Republican citizens all over the State of Kansas to ever consider changing my political Party affiliation. I look forward to a life of citizen-serving, Republican political involvement. I thank the Kansas Republican Party, including all of the registered Kansas Republicans, for their years of service, good will and friendship.
I solemnly pledge to always be a Republican, no matter what promises are made by external forces seeking only to undermine the Republican values I stand for. I can have reasonable disagreement with members of the Republican Party; however, at no point will ‘Party switching’ or quitting of the Party be tolerable.
Signed,
X __________________________________
OMG, tell me that was from The Onion, Tom!
Yikes. They must be tired of the defections. Can anyone say what will be the penalty for breaking this oath?
hehehehe. And people are afraid of the Masons….
Nope, not from The Onion. It’s real, and they’re asking people to sign it. My understanding is that Kris Kobach wrote this himself, and rolled it out at the recent Johnson County Republican “picnic” a couple of weeks ago.
heheheheh. Was kobash ever in a fraternity? Sounds like the prelude to a good ol’ skull and bones initiation…
coming soon to a cult near you!
“Open thread 7/15″
I should’ve been here yesterday, when tomorrow was today?
Since we are way above the national average cost for gas, I suspect they are just making the state citizens pay for any losses incurred because of the flood. Keeping it local!
what will be the penalty for breaking this oath?Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | July 14, 2007 at 12:10 PM
First offense: A black Escalade drives by your house
Second offense: Your office gets “rifled” while you’re out of town.
Third offense: A troll moves into the space under your porch. The smell causes Sunflower Community Action to protest at your home, your neighbors to turn on you, and the bank to foreclose your mortgage.
Of course the Republican party in Kansas is f-ed up.How else did we end up with a Democrat for a Governor?It’s because the true majority can’t decide on the direction of their own party.
Well Tom, THAT oughta give some pause if nothing else does.
Hee hee hee. And what are they gonna do to those who refuse to sign? Not support them and force them into the D column?
It is so true that sometimes, you just cant make this stuff up!
Its arrogant Ass’s like you “True American” that make me hate politics in general… You are no better than me and you have no right to say you are…
There was one perfect person in this would and we took care of him.
“How else did we end up with a Democrat for a Governor?It’s because the true majority can’t decide on the direction of their own party.”
WTF? No, it’s because she’s a waaaaay better republican than anyone who’s opposed her!
This pledge to the Republican Party sounds alot like a cult where you are expected to sign your life and all your possessions to one group. I thought we lived in a democracy where everyone had a right to free speech and a right to use their one vote as they see fit.
Isn’t Kris Kobach one of those Christian Conservative Republicans? We got a taste of their brand of politics in 1994 with the Contract ON America. As I seem to recall, the majority of voters voted that brand of politics out in 2006.
I had Repubs calling me last Fall, wanting ME to a preconct captain LOL… I told them they wouldnt like me much!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Supreme Court Restarts “Race” War in America (Poll)News Type: Opinion — Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:47 AM EDTpolitics, cultural-poisoning, bush, supreme-court, racism, pollAunk (The Cultural Health Guy)Live PollAre you for diversity?
Yes64%* No22%Other Explain14%Total Votes: 50Notice the grinning Cultural Traitor – looking where?Uncle Thomas is a national disgrace and should never be spoken to by a African American for the rest of his natural life.The King Bush fascist five on the Supreme Court openly attacked African Americans by deciding that Blacks should officially get inferior treatment again in America. The Criminal court that prevented all our votes from being counted is now moving in the direction of re-enslaving Africans in America.
At issue in Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1 and Meredith v. Jefferson County Board of Education were programs aimed at achieving racial diversity and balance throughout the public schools of Seattle and Louisville, Ky., respectively. The anti-diversity ruling will sharply limit, if not eliminate, the use of race as a factor in assigning students to public schools to achieve diversity.
In restarting the race war in America King Bush and the Republican crime family have expanded its war on Brown ethnic groups to three fronts Arabs, Latinos and now Africans at home and abroad. The Bush CIA and mercenaries are on the continent as we speak.
America you are making a grave error. We now have a King in the White House who has attacked African American and Latino voters at the polls, a Pope sitting in the Vice Presidents seat and now a Supreme “Court” led by White Supremacists with one Cultural Traitor. We are disgraced abroad and now at home, talk about America going to hell in a hand basket.
The anti-African American Supreme Court decisions ends the Cold Race War in America. This is the second shot in the Republican restart of the hot race war in America.
American sheepeople who have been asleep, wake up, before this goes to far. We cannot sustain a war abroad and a war at home. Vote in 2008 to end these two wars and put the anti-humanists who have committed crimes in jail.
Now that I am done ranting let me add this sober foot note:
Clinton said the decision “turned the clock back” on history.
“If they are inclined to view these voluntary measures in the same light as segregation and any use of race is constitutionally suspect, then God help us,” said Ted Shaw, director and counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
All democratic candidate’s at the resent presidential primary debate are against the rulering. it is not just African and Latino Americans that are against this decision. All Americans of good will should fight the barbaric direction of this court.
http://aunk.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/01/812471-supreme-court-restarts-race-war-in-america-poll
Jonas, the unfortunate thing is that I cant remember a Supreme Court Justice ever being impeached… It might have happened.. But I cant remember if it ever has… I dont think there are enough votes to do it on the basis of this drastic ruling…
“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.” John 14:1
1Why do you boast, O mighty one, of mischief done against the godly? All day long2you are plotting destruction. Your tongue is like a sharp razor, you worker of treachery.3You love evil more than good, and lying more than speaking the truth. Selah4You love all words that devour, O deceitful tongue.
– Psalm 52
Thanks, Chas. I’ve emailed them as well.
The intent of posting it here was incitement and public finger-wagging.
What is it with Republicans and closeted gayness?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p…mp;pageId=1.1.1
“Titusville police say they have arrested Florida State Rep. Robert “Bob” Allen, of Merrit Island, on second degree misdemeanor charges for soliciation for prostiution.
Allen, 48, was arrested Wednesday afternoon at Veteran’s Memorial Park on East Broad St. in Titusville. The park was under surveillance by a detail of undercover police officers.
Officers say they noticed Allen acting suspicious as he went in and out of the men’s restroom 3 times. Minutes later, he solicited an undercover male officer inside the restroom, offering to perform oral sex for $20. Officers realized he was a public figure after the arrest.
Allen, a Republican, represents District 32 of the State House of Representatives. The district spans parts of Brevard and Orange counties. Allen was first elected to the office in 2000.”
I’m sure it’s all a big misunderstanding.
A misunderstanding?? Sure it was… but he will most likely trey to hide behind his heart felt confession, and God forgives him, and her will be in 30 days of rehab as well… LOL
“Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.”Romans 14:13
Cool…!
‘Environmentalists Find Being Green Is Getting EasierAl Gore’s Film Has Raised Awareness Of Energy Conservation, Officials Say’http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071202147.html” “The Al Gore movie has been a fundamental catalyst,” Morrill said. “Even if people didn’t see the movie themselves, they read or heard about it through the media.” “
“Al Gore’s Film Has Raised Awareness Of Energy Conservation, Officials Say’”
Isn’t that nice. Has anybody told AlGore about this concept of energy conservation?EVERYBODY PANIC!!
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.”Romans 14:13
Posted by: Kansas
Again, Kansas, you are willing to overlook the Republicans getting caught in sex scandals but I am the hater?
But what if this had been Bill Clinton being caught in a public restroom soliciting men for $20? Wouldn’t you be the first one to be condemning Clinton?
Be careful of what you say, Kansas, because it will come back to bite you in the ass one day. Again, you clean up your backyard and leave your neighbor’s alone.
Poor fleettwood… he doesn’t seem to understand LEED certification. And he seems to think that commercial airlines only fly if Al Gore is onboard.
I wonder what is fleet’s favorite part of Durkin’s stammering interview?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-715.html#comment-75901010
Again, the Catholic Church has settled to pay $600 million dollars in Los Angeles for the sex abuse lawsuits.
When will the Catholics in America wake up to the fact that their church leaders have been covering sexual molestation for years? And why do current Catholics continue to support the church?
This is the main reason why I don’t even listen to the Catholics on anything they say about abortion or morals. These people need to stop covering up for their molesting priests and beg for forgiveness from God and their victims. I beleve the blame goes all the way up to the Pope and he needs to clean up the church but I don’t see much improvement in that area.
It makes one wonder where the church in Los Angeles alone can come up with $600 million dollars. That is alot of money and they are taking it from average Catholics who give in good faith but the church has to give it to victims of sex molestation? What a sad commentary on a so-called church.
Has the troll gone into the final stage of its meltdown? It’s got nothing left but gratuitous pasting of Biblical passages?
I mean, it’s nice to see that the troll has finally found peace in its faith and all, but…how long is this going to last?
Who is the troll?
Have you Libs not considered the possibility that there is more than one conservative person who posts on this blog?
Your troll theories highlight the true stupidity of your irrational, and poorley educated minds.
By definition, 1/2 of America is below average, and many are on this blog constantly.
It’s very scary, if indeed you Lib posters are a reflection of 1/2 of America.
That would mean that you represent the other half, perhaps?? Yea, Sure, Right!! Just call yourself Michael Savage!! LOL… You are not at all funny…. in this incarnation, or any other you might choose!!
Here’s one to think on… When we invaded Iraq, it was called Operation “Shock and Awe” — Those words — heard by a Jew, or Palestinian, or even an Arab, come across as the Hebrew word, Shekinah… Sha – Kein – Ahh.. A Hebrew word for “The Glory of God”.
BUSHCO was intentionally lighting the fires of religious tension by using that TERM for the invasion of Iraq… It asserted that BUSH was claiming to invade with The Glory of God!!
BUSH buys into Evangelical Christian Fundamentalism, as far as the “last days” are concerned… Unfortunately, Moslem radicals are ALSO looking for the last days… reference the nut President of Iran, looking for the coming of the Mahdi…(Messiah)….
BUSHCO is acting as if they believe 9/11 was the beginning of what fundamentalists call the 7 years of the Great Tribulation…
BUSH wont do ANYthing about pulling out troops, until AFTER 9/11, 2008… (Thus he keeps saying that the end of the War is not in his hands) The idiot believes God, or The Second Coming, or some kind of religious intervention — will solve the WAR problem for him!!
THIS is the kind of Lunacy we are fighting for in Iraq – NOT trying to find Bin Laden, or any of the other hyperbole… BUSH CO believes they are bringing in the Last Days of Creation!!
Congress needs to STOP the Lunacy of BUSH CO immediately!!
how long is this going to last?Posted by: Tom | July 14, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Apparently, 105 minutes.