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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted July 13, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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Three Christian protesters were arrested Thursday in the U.S. Senate when they tried to shout down the first Hindu guest chaplain to give the opening prayer.http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/12/3_protest_hindu_prayer_in_us_senate/5704/Leave it to the fundie far right-wing; like most conservatives, they just don’t know how to behave in public.
State Rep. Bob Allen, R-Merritt Island, said Thursday he was not guilty of a charge of offering to perform oral sex for $20 on an undercover male police officer and would not resign from office.http://www1.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,2545,TCP_16736_5626133,00.htmlGotta give those Republicans credit for “sharing the Love”.One minute, they’re wanting to blow up a country, the next, they want to blow a cop.Typical
Leave it to the fundie far right-wing; like most conservatives, they just don’t know how to behave in public.
Posted by: W.R.Locke | July 13, 2007 at 06:30 AM
Actually W R Locke, most normal adults would have barely noticed this or made a comment on it. They would have though “hmm, Hindu guest prayer, mmmkay” and moved on. The reporting of this, says more about you and what you have in common with the protesters than the rest of normal society.
=====================Gotta give those Republicans credit for “sharing the Love”.One minute, they’re wanting to blow up a country, the next, they want to blow a cop.Posted by: W.R.Locke | July 13, 2007 at 06:37 AM
Barney Frank anyone? Such hypocrites these Democraps.
Republican melted down and assumed another nic ;>
You’re still a lying hypocrite no matter what you call yourself.
How ’bout that Right wing Republican Etheridge?
“I’m being crucified…it’s not my fault..I’ll give everything up before I’ll let anyone down”…etc
Another lying hypocrite RepRublican!
No Happy, I can change my nick daily if I wish to do so and there’s not a thing you can do about it.
So stuff that in your rotting brain and wrap what’s left of human intelligence around that.
Poor Republipuke. No friends, no credibility, just left out there as a coward slinking around the virtual world…a nobody with a big mouth.Pretty much a representitave of most of the right wing….washed up has-been.He needs to find a woman (or in his case, maybe a guy).
Hey, leave Bob Allen alone. He and Barney Frank will team up and form a new politican party called DehomoReps. Cool, huh?
Poor Republipuke. No friends, no credibility, just left out there as a coward slinking around the virtual world…a nobody with a big mouth.Pretty much a representitave of most of the right wing….washed up has-been.He needs to find a woman (or in his case, maybe a guy).
Posted by: W.R.Locke | July 13, 2007 at 07:20 AM
Here ya go Tom, examine these statements from your “reasonable” Leftist friends. This is typical on a daily basis.
Khan/Republican/blank’s lack of female companionship could be why he has such a chip on his shoulder all the time. With his bowel problems, his inability to stand or shoot a gun and no doubt lacking the stamina for meaning full realationships ,hell i be pissed too if I was as gimped out has he claims he his. Collecting welfare checks while bitching bout other people who live on the dole leads to feeling of guilt and self loathing also
Welfare checks eh? No, I don’t think so Rev. Jim.
Nothing to say on the issues Rev. Jim?
By now, you should realize that your insults don’t phase me and no one really gives a crap about your comments. You are just wasting your time.
Another day of all khan all the time?
Geez, I think I’ll clean out the chicken houses instead. Much more pleasant.
Peace out. Word to your mother…
Funny how the trolls show up at the same time KFG and Tom show up on the blog. :)
Farmgrrl,
I helped clean a coop once. Much cleaner than the troll, much less unpleasant.
So Tom, it must make you proud to be associated with people that have this kind of mindless hate?
Very illustrative of my point on the other thread.
Outlander,
What’s hateful about preferring to do honest farm work rather than spending time on a blog dominated by someone who threatens to stalk us? In the past 48 hours, the troll has threatened both Farmgrrl and I, implying that he was going to show up at her farm, and that he was going to show up at my office while I am out of town, and “rifle” the place. The troll’s threats were so egregious that, without me even complaining or demanding it, WEBlog editors deleted his posts.
How many people have Farmgrrl or I threatened with stalking and/or burglary?
Jack Abramoff Scandal
Pleaded GuiltyJack AbramoffJ. Steven GrilesWill HeatonAdam KidanBob NeyTony RudyMichael ScanlonRoger StillwellNeil VolzMark Zachares
ConvictedDavid Safavian
Under InvestigationJohn DoolittleTom Feeney
Named, But Not ChargedEd BuckhamDuke Cunningham Scandal
Pleaded GuiltyRichard BerglundDuke CunninghamThomas KontogiannisMitchell Wade
IndictedKyle “Dusty” FoggoJohn MichaelBrent Wilkes
Named, But Not ChargedRobert FrommAnd here khahn, er, republican, er, jm, er, whatever, thinks it’s the democrats that are sleezy.
The sounds of the sleezebag of trolls, republican, sucking wind. Makes one want to clean chicken coops.
Get used to it outlander, Tom and KFG pretend to be reasonable people when in reality they represent the worst of society as they are two faced, vindictive, “you made me a victim and blame America first” crowd.”
outlander, you are now just realizing what they they actually are. You try and disagree with them on anything or any subject and you will find yourself a target of their hate.
Neither one of them have any moral grounds to stand on as they hold nothing sacred except their own narcissistic, self-serving causes. This is typical of leftists.
The problem they have with me is I know exactly what they are and what they represent and for that they despise me.
They hate it when they are identified as spewers of hate and negativity, because it is the truth and that truth stings them badly.
Notice how Tom keeps re-posting about my tongue-in-cheek post about cruising Kansas in a black SUV. And the post about how “WE” should all rifle Tom’s office while he’s gone. Notice, I didn’t say “I,” – it was we.
Only a “I’m a victim” hater would think that he’s being threatened and try to make it out more than it is.
As I said outlander, recognize what these people are, two-faced, vindictive haters. They are all of that and worse I’m afraid.
McClatchy closes up $.95 yesterday!! Hang in there Eagle!!
Limbaugh claims NYC Firefighters are hate-filled Liberals… for going after Rudy!!
“mindless hate?”
That’s half right. I will give them credit for having minds, but they are so filled with hate it makes one wonder. Over and over again we see it here everyday. The name calling (Repuke, fleets enema and on and on).They got nothing. The anger seems misplaced. It really should be directed at the people who promised things to get elected and are not following through. Has that minimum wage thing gone through yet?6 in ‘06! Yeah, right.
“Limbaugh claims NYC Firefighters are hate-filled Liberals…”
Well, they are union members.
Limbaugh claims NYC Firefighters are hate-filled Liberals… for going after Rudy!!
Posted by: Chas. | July 13, 2007 at 08:03 AM
No, just the Union Reps who pretend to speak out for their Union when they actually don’t. Most of the union members would like to kick these loudmouth reps in the teeth for saying what they are saying.
Singing, “Look for the Union Label….”
“But the greatest menace to our civilization today is the conflict between giant organized systems of self-righteousness – each system only too delighted to find that the other is wicked – each only too glad that the sins give it the pretext for still deeper hatred and animosity.” – Herbert Butterfield
Interesting that the daily quote on RefDesk.com should be so appropriate.
Outlander,
Good quote. Thanks for posting it.
“outlander, you are now just realizing what they they actually are. You try and disagree with them on anything or any subject and you will find yourself a target of their hate.”Posted by: ***K H A H N*** | July 13, 2007 at 07:55 AM
Yes outlander, you were stupid until khahn set you straight.And now? Well, you’re still stuck on stupid.
Best thing yet on the new “terror” threats.
Link to original: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071307J.shtml
We’re All Gonna DieBy William Rivers Pittt r u t h o u t | Columnist
Friday 13 July 2007
Well written article farmgrrl. Thanks for sharing.
KFG — Love that article!! Do you recall how, when Reagan was President, every time he wanted something from Congress, and he didnt get it, suddenly, there was a crisis somewhere, and Congress nearly tripped over their own feet, to give him what he wanted??
Lather, Rinse, Repeat… LOL
Appears to me that William Rivers Pitt never read the 911 report. Another example of revisionist history. There is nothing in that article that is credible nor journalistic. It’s a piece of fiction.
Read the fact based 911 report and open up your eyes Dems.
Oh geez, Khahn was the reason I was staying off the boards the last few days…Here we go again…
Don’t let your lack of courage prevent you from posting Lynz.
If you have something to say, say it and try not making excuses why you don’t post.
If it’s raining outside, does that keep you from voting as well?
***K H A H N***, aka Republican, aka ‘blank’, aka (stolen) J M Walker, etc…
“It’s a piece of fiction.”
The troll posts LIES about the Sierra Club, LIES about the IPCC, LIES about targeting lasers, LIES about what people here post, etc…
And he’s a hypocrite for attacking me for linking to my posts.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74563392
That post, and his next post (just after my post below it), both link to another of HIS posts.
And that post has links to two other posts that HE made.
btw: I didn’t include the U.S. age distribution, because my reply was re Republican’s post re Iraq and France.
First off, NOTHING keeps me from voting. And as far as not posting in reaction to you, dear Khahn, I believe in _raising_ the level of debate. From what I’ve seen, ad hominem seems to be your MO. I don’t play with trolls.
Morning Tom!
Then post Lynz and stop whining, nothing is stopping you but your own uncertainty of expectation.
I’m just amazed by the libs self-righteously attacking KAHN. You accuse him of ad hominem attacks. I don’t know about that. Yet that’s all you are doing yourself! How many of you does it take to take on one person anyway? This lib pack mentality is something to behold.
I agree with what GMC said on another thread. If you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face, don’t post it here.
Can’t you see the ‘real progress’?U.S. troops battle Iraqi police, gunmen By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer51 minutes ago
BAGHDAD – U.S. forces battled Iraqi police and gunmen Friday, killing six policemen, after an American raid captured a police lieutenant accused of leading an Iranian-backed militia cell, the military said.
ADVERTISEMENTSeven gunmen also died in the fight, a rare open street battle between American troops and policemen. Washington has demanded the government purge its police force of militants, and U.S. and Iraqi authorities have arrested officers in the past for militia links. But the Bush administration said in an assessment Thursday that progress on that front was “unsatisfactory.”
The lieutenant was captured before dawn in eastern Baghdad, but the soldiers came under “heavy and accurate fire” from a nearby Iraqi police checkpoint, as well as intense fire from rooftops and a church, the military said in a statement.
As the Americans fired back, U.S. warplanes struck in front of the police position, without hitting it directly, “to prevent further escalation” of the battle, it said. There were no casualties among the U.S. troops, but seven gunmen and six of the policemen firing on the Americans were killed, the statement said.
The captured lieutenant was a “high-ranking” leader of a cell suspected of helping coordinate Iranian support for Shiite extremists in Iraq as well as carrying out roadside bombings against mortar attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces, the military said. The lieutenant is believed to be linked to the Quds Force, a branch of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards, it said.
A spokesman for the Iraqi Interior Ministry, which controls the police, said he had no immediate information on the clash and refused to comment.
The U.S. military accuses Iran’s Quds Force of organizing Shiite militants into so-called “special groups” and arming them with weapons and explosives — including a particularly deadly form of roadside bombs called explosively formed penetrators. Iran denies the claims.
Infiltration by Shiite militias is pervasive in the Iraqi police, fueling a deep mistrust of the force among Iraq’s Sunni Arab minority, who often accuse policemen of involvement in kidnappings and slaying of Sunnis — or at least ignoring them.
Friday’s raid came amid a nearly month-old security crackdown in Baghdad by U.S. forces targeting Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents. A day earlier, U.S. troops battled militiamen in east Baghdad’s Amin district in a fight the military said killed nine insurgents and two civilians — both Iraqi employees of the London-based Reuters news agency.
Iraqi police and hospital officials put the death toll higher, at 19, saying a woman and two children were among the dead.
The U.S. offensive in Baghdad — and parallel ones to the north and south — have brought a relative easing in attacks in the capital in recent weeks — though it remains far from calm, with occasional car bombs and police still reporting 20 to 30 bodies a day found dumped in the city, apparent victims of sectarian slayings.
On Friday, a volley of at least four mortars were fired from the city’s dangerous southern districts at the Green Zone, the heavily fortified district where al-Maliki’s offices and the U.S. Embassy are located. The mortars hit near the home of a senior Iraqi military official, killing two Iraqi soldiers, an Iraqi army official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information to the press.
There was no immediate word from American authorities on casualties. It would be the second time in a week that mortar fire into the Green Zone — nearly a daily occurence — has caused deaths. A heavy barrage Tuesday night killed three people, including an American.
The U.S. crackdowns — which began in mid-June, backed by an extra 28,000 troops sent this year — aim to pacify Baghdad and allow the govermnent to pass key laws intended to sway Sunnis away from the insurgency to support the political process.
But an interim report issued Thursday by the Bush administration showed only spotty progress, fueling claims by critics in Congress that the Iraqi strategy is failing. President Bush said it was too early in the strategy to judge and has vowed to veto a measure passed by Thursday by the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives to withdraw U.S. troops by spring 2008
A top adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki complained that Bush supporters and opponents in Washington “will both blame Iraqis” for the shortcomings.
Sami al-Askari said the government was serious about the measures. “From now until the end of the year, draft laws related to national reconciliation will be finished,” al-Askari told U.S.-funded Alhurra television late Thursday.
But the benchmarks — including one to share control of the oil industry and its profits — have been held up for months by wrangling between Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish members of al-Maliki’s coalition.
The even tougher benchmark of amending the constitution — which many Sunni Arabs see as paramount — has been relegated to a parliament committee. Sunnis want to blunt the constitution’s provisions on federalism, but Kurds and Shiites want only limited changes.
At the same time, al-Maliki’s administration has been severely weakened by a Sunni Arab boycott of his Cabinet and parliament over separate disputes.
President Jalal Talabani said there were “positive developments on the political level,” particularly in the effort to reshape the Cabinet to establish “a front of moderate forces committed to the politial process and democracy in Iraq.”
He also said the military offensives being waged by U.S. troops in and around Baghdad were making progress. “A successful campaign is on to eliminate terrorists and so far large areas of Diyala and Anbar have been cleared,” Talabani said Thursday evening, referring to provinces north and west of the capital.
Well, looking at the threads, the main topic of conversation seems to be you. I’m not sure where the intellectual stimulation is there. Why would I want to spend my day talking about you? I’ll post when the KHAHN show is over. P.S. I hope you get that stick removed from your butt soon, maybe you won’t be so grumpy then.
Much better and interesting discussions are to be had following the Walk on by strategy. If you participate, you only enable and encourage.
Well Lynx, you must be right – it’s all about me.
Let’s examine the topic headings presented today>
The Tiahrt AmendmentInquiry hardly bipartisanHarry Potter not casting lasting spell on reading habitsLady Bird left a blooming legacy
Plus there are almot 50 categories on the WE Blog to pick and choose for your discussion.
But glad you could do your “drive by” Lynz. Come back and stay a little longer next time.
At least ***CON*** got his name right. A lying hypocrite is always a CON.
So busy inventing new lies about himself, he doesn’t have time to enlist or go to Iraq tom help butty Bush out.
How ’bout it Fleetwood? You and ***CON*** could go together on the butty system.
Well, outlander, I read KHAHN’s post about “rifling” through Tom’s office before it was deleted and that’s a problem for me seeing as how I work there too. So if defending my friend and being concerned for my own well-being is “pack mentality” then I have no problem with the accusation.
Hope you’re having a lovely day. Let’s talk about something else now.
outlander,
“I’m just amazed by the libs self-righteously attacking KAHN. You accuse him of ad hominem attacks. I don’t know about that.”
Then you have not read his posts.
The big difference is I discuss in the heat of the moment.
Unlike the Democrites who bring it up daily, over and over, drag some post from the past, repeat it, use the same name-calling insults over and over.
They don’t discuss the issues at hand and when I challenge them on the issue, they get all bent out of shape and resort to what I described in the previous paragraph.
If any of them want to discuss the issues I’m right here.
But I bet they can’t do it without calling me repuke, liar, CON or some other name in their post. They just can’t help themselves.
And now, on a lighter note–Take a look at this dog!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=467985&in_page_id=1770
Thanks for the link LJ!
For hank, :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m2OC5Z1Fii8
This document is worth reading:
http://www.openthegovernment.org/otg/govtsecrecy.pdf
Troll,
“If any of them want to discuss the issues I’m right here.”
The problem is, you “discuss the issues” by LYING. For example, you lied on May 26 about the Sierra Club,
“The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
Posted by: Republican | May 26, 2007 at 12:34 PMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787370
About 10 hours later, you stole a nic, and fabricated a false paragraph about the SC.
Posted by: J M Walker | May 26, 2007 at 10:29 PMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25.html#comment-70812508
Over a month later, you reposted the lies.
“The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
cosmos refuses to look in the Congressional Record to find out the truth.”Posted by: Republican | July 01, 2007 at 12:51 AMhttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74527572
And you’ve LIED about other issues, and posts.
YOU are responsible for YOUR own words.
You repeatedly post lies, so we can call you a LIAR. The label fits… it’s who you are.
People for the American Way put out that Document Steven Davis. Norman Lear should have stuck to Show Business, he was better at doing that sort of thing.
“PFAW was founded by television producer Norman Lear (All in the Family, Maude, The Jeffersons, etc.)”
“They don’t discuss the issues at hand and when I challenge them on the issue, they get all bent out of shape and resort to what I described in the previous paragraph.”Posted by: ***K H A H N*** | July 13, 2007 at 10:33 AMWhy would anybody discuss anything with you?You’re a proven liar and a twit. You lie so much, you have no credibility.
if you play with the monkeys don’t be surprise when you get dirty.
Outlander, I find it amusing that all that you accuse the “leftists” of doing is EXACTLY what Khahn has been doing for the last at least two days… people in glass houses…
I think the problem that you face, in your arguments, is that you are just as quick to classify someone as the next person… you can’t call people on things that you yourself do…
I am not a leftist. I am not a democrat. I am not a republican. I have my own personal opinions and I believe, vote and behave based on my opinions and how I have been raised. I don’t need some party line telling me what to do or how to think. But strangely, when I post on here, someone is quick to label me as a “leftist” regardless of whether or not my post is even that. And I have been called names, spoken to deragatorily and all manner of basically hate-filled responses in the few short weeks since I have joined this blog… Now, the people doing this are NOT the people you have been so quick to condemn, but rather the people you are trying so stringently to defend. There are many of us here who would like nothing more than civil discourse with the right to disagree… there are a few here who are doing their level best to prevent that, and I am sorry, but fleetwood and Khahn are at the top of that list. And I think, if you take a look at what they post from a neutral standpoint, it would become obvious to you. BTW, the only “other” name I have referred to fleetwood as is Fleet, and I have never referred to Khahn as anything other than his posted name (whatever it may be on that given day). Also, I don’t use Republican, Democrat, or Christian or any other affiliation as a deragtory reference, as so many (on both sides I admit) on here do… so I would like to know who made it okay to lambast me the way I have been lambasted, and why is it that you would defend the people who have done so, yet not defend those of us who have not?
“People for the American Way put out that Document Steven Davis. Norman Lear should have stuck to Show Business, he was better at doing that sort of thing.”
Can’t refute what the document says, so he resorts to attacking the founder of the organization. At least he’s consistent… Proof once more of how this induhvidual wants to debate issues. Yeah, right…
I hate having to watch Faux news. Itis almost comical to watch the fluff pieces being presented on that network rather than putting out and discussing the real issues coming out of the administration. Almost as if they don’t talk about it, no one will know!
And gas has spiked up to 3.25 a gallon, and nobody is talking about that either. What happen to those investigations? What is the reason today?
And gas has spiked up to 3.25 a gallon, and nobody is talking about that either. What happen to those investigations? What is the reason today?
Posted by: political_mom | July 13, 2007 at 12:12 PM
As a starting point for revelant discussion, what would you suggest the government do about the price of gas?
Pmom, my understanding of the gas increase, at least in KS (we are also at around 325 in Wichita) is that it is due to the oil spill at the refinery in Coffeyville during the flood…. I heard several news reports predicting a rise in gas prices as flood waters went down and the damages and losses of oil could be better determined, and as i understand it, that refinery provides a significant portion of the oil in this state…
So tell me Steven Davis, what point were you trying to make about the pdf document?
Have you ever had a security clearance that was Top Secret? Have you had to shred carbon papers, type writer ribbons, floppy disks and sit in a lead shielded room to protect it from listening devices?
Tell us Steven Davis, what your experience is with Top Secret Documents and their disclosure and non-disclosure.
What do you want to know about the Federal Government that you think is wrongly classified?
========PMom,
This topic was on Channel 12 news last night. Recently, the Coffeyville distribution center was flooded and its status is inoperative. In Kansas, there was a fire at one facility, storm damage at another.
Channel 12 showed the long lines that distribution tankers have to park and wait many times longer than they usually do for gas to be distributed.
I don’t know how the gas markets derive at the prices because of distribution slowdowns, but I’m sure they calculate it out somehow.
Here is an interesting comparison of ‘petrol’ usage by country.
http://www.economist.com/images/ga/2007w27/Petrol.jpg
What scares me about it is not how much the US uses in comparison to the rest of the world, but how Little China and India use. Nearly a Third of the world’s population live in those two countries and both have a rapidly growing middle class. The middle class there has a much much higher per capita oil consumption (access to cars, more electronic appliances needing power, etc) than the lower class does. As the people in those countries have more disposable income, their per capita oil consumption will increase.
I attended a lecture by a Koch VP two years ago, and he said that even if the US completely stopped using oil today, the price would continue to rise because of the increased demand from other countries.
WHOA! HOLD ON PEOPLE!
Get a grip.
If you look back over the the 60 some posts so far, more than half of them are BY or ARGUING WITH ReplagiarKhahn.
This is exactly what this pathological narcissist wants–”let’s make the WEBlog all about ME all the TIME.”
Folks, there’s one and only one solution to this problem.
Stop enabling the POS.
Walk.
On.
By.
I really agree with Capn on this one.
Another documentary coming out that the right can bitch about.
“New documentary traces mismanagement, poor decisions in post-invasion Iraq”
Nick Juliano Published: Friday July 13, 2007Dozens of people are dying daily. Roadside bombs kill American soldiers and Marines. Al Qaeda fighters have infiltrated parts of the country. The Iraqi government is not meeting benchmarks associated with President Bush’s recent “surge” in troops.
The war in Iraq clearly is not going well, and calls for US troops to come home are growing ever louder.
A new documentary, to be released later this month, asks a simple question: How did we get to this point?
The film, No End in Sight, an advance copy of which provided to RAW STORY, focuses mostly on the mismanagement by ill-informed US officials overseeing the post-combat occupation, rather than delving too deeply into the misinformation fed to the American people in the run-up to war.
Through interviews with former administration officials, military members, journalists and scholars, No End in Sight returns to the months following the US invasion. It shows how decisions made by Bush, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their acolytes have created the disastrous situation that exists on the ground now.
A clip of the film, which is reproduced below exclusively on RAW STORY, shows just how far off the administration was in its initial estimates on how the war and its aftermath would be handled. Army Col. Paul Hughes recalled former Defense Department spokesman Lawrence DiRita promising to have all but 25,000-30,000 troops out of Iraq by the end of August 2003.
“I heard him say that, in a room full of people,” said Hughes, who was director of strategic policy for the US occupation in 2003. “And I turned to my colleagues and I said, ‘This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s physically impossible.’”
More striking than the myopic expectations within the Defense Department are the shortsighted decisions made by those overseeing Iraq’s reconstruction, especially the US-sponsored Coalition Provisional Authority.
The film identifies three fateful decisions by then-CPA head Paul Bremer that laid the groundwork for the insurgency US troops continue to fight four-and-a-half years after the war’s start.
First, Bremer reversed the decision of Gen. Jay Garner, who had been overseeing Iraq’s reconstruction prior to his arrival, to form an interim Iraqi government. More fateful was his decision to remove former members of the Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party from their positions in government.
“De-Ba’athification was so deep that we weren’t able to get the government running as efficiently as we should have as fast as we should have, and you had a lot of disenfranchised Ba’athists,” Garner says as the film shows clips of out-of-work Iraqis marching in the streets.
Bremer’s “most explosive” decision, according to the film, was disbanding the Iraqi military and intelligence services, which rendered unemployed 500,000 armed men who helped create an insurgency rather than working to prevent one.
Hughes recounts in the film having to send away former Iraqi soldiers who wanted to help American troops because of the policy. He recalled the effects of that order on American troops.
“Five days after Bremer issued his order, we were fare-welling Jay Garner because he was going to leave Iraq for good, the next day. We had two Humvees on the highway heading out from the Green Zone and they were ambushed and two soldier were killed,” Hughes said. “And that was, in my mind, when the insurgency began.”
http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/
“Three Christian protesters were arrested Thursday in the U.S. Senate when they tried to shout down the first Hindu guest chaplain to give the opening prayer.http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/12/3_protest_hindu_prayer_in_us_senate/5704/ ”
I read this article, and certainly think those protesters should face any penalty they can because of how stupid they are. It saddens me to know there are people like that running around our country.
Stupid is as stupid does. They should be busted for disturbing the peace or something. Simple civility should have compelled them to keep their mouths shut
As a starting point for revelant discussion, what would you suggest the government do about the price of gas?
Posted by: littlejohn | July 13, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Let’s get our military out of Iraq. The amount of fuel being burned in ongoing operations on a daily basis is putting enormous pressure on supply and prices.
A great video of ABC Australia’s Tony Jones debunking Martin Durkin.Like the temperature graph that ends at “Now”, but was about 17 years old. And the old solar graph that ended when solar activity dropped, but temperatures began rising.
Global Warming Swindle Interview Pt1 8:43http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE
Global Warming Swindle Interview Pt2 9:57http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDsc9IaSQ8
(Hat tip to DeSmogBlog)
Chalk up another scumbag for the Fitz.Black found guilty of criminal fraud By Andrew Stern26 minutes ago
CHICAGO (Reuters) – A U.S. jury on Friday found Conrad Black guilty of three counts of criminal fraud and one charge of obstruction of justice in a grim Friday the 13th verdict that could send the former media baron to jail for up to 35 years.
ADVERTISEMENTBlack’s three co-defendants were also convicted of three counts of mail fraud and could each get up to 15 years in prison.
The 62-year-old, Canadian-born member of Britain’s House of Lords — who once derided the case against him as a “massive smear job” and “toilet seat” hanging around prosecutors’ necks — also faces millions of dollars in fines and forfeitures.
His lawyers said he would appeal. Sentencing was not likely to occur until sometime in October. The status of Black’s bond was being reviewed by the trial judge but there were indications he would remain free and not be taken into custody.
The jury acquitted Black of a racketeering charge and all four defendants were also found not guilty of failing to file corporate tax returns.
Black’s three co-defendants, former Hollinger International Inc. chief financial officer Jack Boultbee, 64; Peter Atkinson, 60, former vice president and general counsel for the same company; and Mark Kipnis, 59, a former Hollinger lawyer, were all found guilty of the same mail fraud charges as Black.
The verdict left Black guilty of three counts of mail fraud and one charge of obstruction of justice out of the 13 counts against him.
Black sat largely expressionless as the verdicts were read but a visible scowl crept across his face when he was found guilty of obstructing justice — a charge that related to his removing cartons of records from his Toronto office.
Black’s 25-year-old daughter, Alana, and columnist-wife Barbara Amiel Black leaned over to talk to him; he remained seated at the defense table.
“I would think he is in total shock. He really did believe he was innocent,” Canadian author Peter Newman, who wrote a 1982 Black biography, told Reuters.
Orin Snyder, a former federal prosecutor now with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher’s crisis management practice group, said the verdict is bad news for Black and “a real victory for the government.”
Judge Amy St. Eve of the U.S. District Court, who presided over the trial, will decide the amount of the fines and forfeitures, which could include Black’s Palm Beach, Florida, estate and assorted other luxury items such as a $2.6 million diamond ring.
Black and the others had been accused by U.S. prosecutors of pilfering $60 million in payments that should have benefited Hollinger International, once the world’s third-largest English language newspaper chain, and its shareholders.
At one time, Hollinger’s major newspaper holdings included such prominent names as the Daily Telegraph of London, the Jerusalem Post and Canada’s National Post.
15 WEEKS OF TESTIMONY
The verdict came after nearly 15 weeks of testimony in federal court.
The prosecution was led by the office of Chicago-based U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who also prosecuted former White House aide Scooter Libby.
The jury of nine women and three men had considered the complex, 42-count case for 12 days since it was handed to them on June 27.
In a trial that featured about 50 witnesses, prosecutors painted Black and his associates as no better than common thieves.
The defense said the men, who pleaded not guilty and did not take the stand in their own defense, were victims of overzealous prosecutors who failed to produce either a “smoking gun” or victims.
The government’s star witness was long-time Black partner David Radler, who pleaded guilty to one count of fraud in an agreement that required him to testify against the four men in exchange for up to 29 months in jail.
The prosecution tried to show that Black and the others were just as guilty as Radler and, like him, lied about what they did. The defense depicted Radler as a serial liar.
Black was ousted as chairman of Hollinger International in 2003 after shareholders questioned the non-compete payment deals. An internal investigation in 2004 concluded that he and other executives oversaw a “corporate kleptocracy.”
Hollinger International is now called the Sun-Times Media Group (NYSE:SVN – news).
(Additional reporting by James Kelleher and David Bailey in Chicago)
littlejohn, I would also propose further research and/or incentive into alternative fuel sources – as well as regulation on fuel prices. I can only handle the “well the cost of oil is going up so we have to raise gas prices to compensate” excuse for so long – and I am sorry, I understand it is a business and the point is to make profit, but when some of your largest distributors, who are crying the loudest about oil price increases, can afford to pay their CEO’s $400 MILLION severance packages, and miraculously post RECORD profits in ALL FOUR QUARTERS – i think that is ample evidence that more than a little price gouging is going on…
Actually Steven,
The document you posted is right on in many aspects. Having been cleared for trivia and above in the Navy I have some horror stories concerning classified documents.
Most of the submarines I was on had S5W reactor plants. Everything about them was classified “CONFIDENTIAL NOFORN”. However, we gave the same plants to Britain and France and they didn’t classify them.
All of our nuclear weapons crap was either “SECRET” or better, but everything you needed to know about them you could get from civilian publications.
Lord only knows how many careers were ruined because of some minor infraction brought about from losing control of ‘classified’ documents, documents that were needlessly clasified. Nevermind the millions of dollars the government wastes each year protecting secrets that no one cares about.
Hank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoqaNG0Ozqc&mode=related&search=
Please watch this video.
Bush will surely veto this bill, like he said, “I hardly think about him anymore”.Senate votes to double U.S. bounty on bin Laden By Richard Cowan59 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Senate on Friday voted to double the bounty on Osama bin Laden to $50 million and require President George W. Bush to refocus on capturing him after reports al Qaeda is gaining strength.
ADVERTISEMENTBy a vote of 87-1, the Senate set the reward for the killing or capture, or information leading to the capture, of the mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States.
Critics of Bush’s “global war on terror” have accused him of putting too much emphasis on Iraq, which had no known connection to the September 11 attacks, at the expense of efforts to get bin Laden and dismantle al Qaeda.
Shortly after the September 11 attacks, Bush said he wanted bin Laden caught, dead or alive. But a year before the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, Bush’s emphasis shifted, saying he did not know bin Laden’s whereabouts and “I truly am not that concerned about him.”
The White House had no comment on the Senate legislation, which also needs to be approved by the House of Representatives and then Bush.
Sen. Kent Conrad, the North Dakota Democrat who co-authored the measure, told reporters he “has been told by people in the military it might be beneficial” to increase the bounty.
While he doubted the additional money would lure loyalists in bin Laden’s “inner circle,” Conrad said it might attract those “more distantly connected” to bin Laden, who is thought to be in a region along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
The Senate vote came just days after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a “gut feeling” that the United States was at greater risk of another attack, noting increased al Qaeda activity and a history of summer attacks.
On Thursday, Bush denied media reports, citing new intelligence assessments, that al Qaeda is now as great a threat to U.S. soil as in the months before September 11.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, also a North Dakota Democrat, said more important than the bounty was the legislation’s requirement that the administration give Congress classified reports on the hunt for al Qaeda leaders every 90 days.
Those reports would assess the location of bin Laden and other key al Qaeda leaders, describe efforts to capture them and gauge whether there is cooperation from countries that might have al Qaeda leaders on their soil.
Citing reports that bin Laden could be in a secure hideaway in Pakistan, Dorgan said, “There should not be one square inch on this planet” that is safe for bin Laden.
Sen. Jim Bunning, the Kentucky Republican who cast the only vote against raising the bounty, said catching al Qaeda leaders already was a “top priority.” In a slap at Democrats, he added, “If Senator Dorgan truly supported our efforts to fight al Qaeda he would not support withdrawing from Iraq, a key battleground against al Qaeda and in the war on terror.”
Top U.S. intelligence officials informed the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee this week that inhabitants of remote northwestern Pakistan, where bin Laden is believed to be holed up, have proved impervious to the financial rewards already on offer from the U.S. government.
The U.S. government says it has spent more than $62 million in a “rewards for justice” program for various information that has helped prevent attacks or prosecute those responsible for attacks.
pmom, i can’t access the video from where i am at now. can you provide a little background as to what it is about? Thanks!
Bounties are for cowards who are to chicken to take care of the problem themselves. A rich man’s option.
You want Bin Laden? Do you believe he caused an Act of War on our country?
Then send in the troops to go get him. We know he is building up Al Queda in NW Pakistan. Get them all. This pussy footing around business is the opposite of what our opponent is doing. They are blowing themselves up to kill us. What do we do? Put out a warrant with a reward.
” Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” John F. Kennedy
JFK would roll over in his grave.
Sure anon. It’s about using the word ‘retard’.
Citing reports that bin Laden could be in a secure hideaway in Pakistan, Dorgan said, “There should not be one square inch on this planet” that is safe for bin Laden.
Pssst, Senator Dorgan, what if old binnie Laden is in Iraq????
Oops. Sorry, we are running from there with our tails firmly between our legs.
Eagle beak,
Bin Laden is _not_ in Iraq, and never has been. Nice try at conflating the two.
Hypotheticals are valid only if possible, or true. I could just as easily say, “what if bin Laden were hiding in NYC sewers?” or “on the dark side of the moon?” It’s equally absurd.
“”on the dark side of the moon?”"
There is no dark side of the Moon, really. As a matter of fact, it’s all dark.
The principle is the same. By his own leadership statements – he intends to make Iraq his home. We have bodies of documented Queda in the desert in Iraq.
But go sounding like some kind of tough guy senator Doorjam – we know one country you absolutely will NOT go after him (and that’s a lot of inches).
But I’d put money that you won’t go after him in Pakistan or Iran either. Nor any other country. Bring the boys home, withdrawal, quit, run. American is TIRED of the war. Booo Hooo.
Bin Laden is laughing all the way to the mosque.
If JFK was President today, he’d be considered an evil conservative Republican.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” John F. Kennedy
Sorry JFK, we will NOT start another vietnam, but we will hi tail outta Iraq just the same! We absolutely will NOT meet any hardship. We will NOT oppose any foe.
What’s hateful about preferring to do honest farm work rather than spending time on a blog dominated by someone who threatens to stalk us? Posted by: Tom | July 13, 2007 at 07:49 AM
Tom if you fear for your life, what are you gonna do about it? Continue writing on this blog so your alledged “stalker” can find you typing away at your laptop in self defense?
Tom, the Government will protect you. Just dial 911.
You got that right Max. Except maybe, his sexual activities outside marriage would redeem him to his party.
Seem to recall that JFK cut taxes (even on the rich!) to boost the economy.
All thought just evil people like George Bush did such things?
Gosh Gunny, ya think Tom is typing one-handed?
I dunno but his hero senator told a lie. They absolutely will NOT pursue Bin Laden over every square inch of the earth. (I wonder how manh inches that would be BTW).
You can talk big, but your actions speak louder than words. And the terrorist community, is seeing the USA as cutting and runnning, with very little investment on their part. They are plannig the celebration and announcement that they have WON THE IRAQ WAR!!!
But they won’t stop at Iraq. The good ole USA will be next.
I wonder if the Libs will waive white flags after San Francisco’s bay bridge is blown up by Al Qaeda on 9/11/11? Maybe the Libs will wait until the Brooklyn bridge is blown up too, or the St. Louis arch.
Or maybe they’ll strike a midwestern city like Minneapolis or Kansas City with a semi-truck load of A bomb.
If we don’t fight our enemies over seas, they will come here. Just like they did on 9/11.
Tom and his Lesbo farm friend might be safe in the boon docks of Kansas – if the wind is blowing in their favor.
Thanks for your perspective Hank.
Steven Aftergood, who is an expert on governmental secrecy (also,where I got the link), complains that things are classified as secret for the simple fact that doing so is easiest route for governmental officials and no thought is required. And the chances of having trouble after something is made secret is reduced. There are few incentives to not make something secret and many incentives for making something secret.
The only problem is that openness in government suffers as a result of over zealous secrecy.
Terrorists celebration song following American “redeployment” from Iraq:
One, anda two, and a:
They ran through the briar and they ran through the bramble andThey ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn’t go.They ran so fast that the hounds couldn’t catch them,Down the Tigris River to the Persian Gulfio.
And they ran back hometo their fellow Democrats
They joined Ted Kennedyand all the other rats
And they all bowed down to prayto Allah all the way!
Yellow Americans have given up today
Now they’re following Allah every day
And the Great White Satan is destroyed this day
Come on Libs, join in and sing now! Every one of you, face east and bow down now! Sing out loud!
“They absolutely will NOT pursue Bin Laden over every square inch of the earth. (I wonder how manh inches that would be BTW).
You can talk big, but your actions speak louder than words.”
Finally, Here is someone willing to call Bush on his failure to pursue bin Laden in Pakistan.
You know what’s really sad about this war? It’s been so mismanaged by president Twit and Co that we, the most powerful military force in the world, can’t take down a bunch of camel jockies in a third-rate country like Iraq. This is what we get for putting a bunch of republican ChickenHawks in charge of a war. This country is run buy a bunch of republican pussies.
Max,
“Seem to recall that JFK cut taxes (even on the rich!) to boost the economy.”
Put it into context. Kennedy cut the marginal tax rate from a very high 91% (NINETY-ONE %) down to 70%.
‘JUST LIKE AL [GORE] SAID! Russert pushed them RNC points. Somebody go wake Fred Barnes!’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120202.shtml
Fabulous, con is going to ruin the whole blog now. I’m really tired of this.
“the most powerful military force in the world, can’t take down a bunch of camel jockies in a third-rate country like Iraq.Posted by: XXX | July 13, 2007 at 04:10 PM ”
I still have faith in the capabilities of our military. I do not think the problem is that we “can’t” do it, but rather our chosing not to.
Looks like more defectors.Republican senators seek Iraq withdrawal plan By Richard Cowan and Thomas Ferraro39 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Two of President George W. Bush’s fellow Republicans in the U.S. Senate urged him on Friday to draw up plans to start withdrawing troops from Iraq, while leaving the order to pull them out up to him.
ADVERTISEMENTSens. Richard Lugar of Indiana and John Warner of Virginia plan to push their measure next week in the thick of a debate over the future of the Iraq war.
Lugar’s floor speech next week, a text of which was distributed to reporters, says the Bush administration should “immediately initiate planning for post-September contingencies, including a drawdown or redeployment of forces.”
But the Republicans’ initiative does not set deadlines for beginning the withdrawal of some of the nearly 160,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq or set a date for accomplishing a withdrawal, as Democrats want.
A showdown vote on a Democratic plan for removing combat troops from Iraq by next April is expected next week.
Under Warner-Lugar, Bush would present new war plans to Congress by October 16 and those plans should be designed to be implemented no later than December 31.
With their proposal, Lugar and Warner are joining several Democrats who have long argued that Congress’ 2002 authorization of the Iraq war is obsolete and a new rationale for the war also should be submitted to lawmakers.
The senior Republicans call on Bush to submit a new argument for the war in September, when Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is scheduled to deliver a much-awaited report on progress toward securing Baghdad with recent boost of 30,000 more U.S. troops.
INCREASINGLY CRITICAL
Lugar and Warner arguably are the most prominent Republicans in the Senate on foreign affairs and military matters. In recent weeks they have become increasingly critical of the war, leaving Bush with a more difficult path to continue combat, now in its fifth year.
A Lugar spokesman said he did not know whether the amendment would attract the 60 votes necessary in the 100-member Senate to advance controversial measures.
Lawmakers have been trying, so far without success, to attach a series of contentious Iraq war amendments to a military policy bill Congress hopes to complete.
“We want to avoid a drift in Iraq policy that continually references the next report or milestone, even as the fundamental conditions of our intervention in Iraq remain extremely problematic and hazardous,” Lugar said in his remarks.
On Thursday, Warner said that Iraq’s government was “not providing leadership worthy of the considerable sacrifice of our forces and this has to change immediately.”
Lugar and Warner unveiled their amendment one day after Bush submitted an interim report to Congress on progress in Iraq that did little to ease lawmakers’ unease over the war.
It also came one day after a deeply divided U.S. House of Representatives voted to begin combat troop withdrawals within four months and complete them by April 1. The White House said Bush would veto such a bill.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice defended the Baghdad government’s mixed report card against critics in Congress on Friday, saying the Bush administration needs two more months to find a “coherent way forward” in Iraq.
“We do have to recognize what a hard thing it is that they’re doing. We have to continue to support them, and most importantly, we need not to make premature judgments,” Rice told NBC’s “Today” show.
“Fabulous, con is going to ruin the whole blog now. I’m really tired of this.”
Boycott! Boycott!
A little research will show that Lugar is not one of the Repubs who has shown, through the years, that he is not much on protecting America’s foreign interest with a forceful policy. His “defection” probably could have been predicted.
No threads about the 24% approval rating for Congress that came out today?
Now here on this thread is something you don’t read everyday: whatever (republican, jm, khahn, ad infinitum) getting bitch-slapped by Hank over the pfd document whatever, in a vainglorious display of self-indulgent bravado, attempted, in an obviously failed logic, to do the same to Steven Davis.
Having had classified clearance in the service, I can vouch for Hank’s knowledge.
Frameshop: A Picture of the GOP on Civil Rights
http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2007/07/frameshop-a-p-1.html
July 13, 2007
Frameshop: A Picture of the GOP on Civil Rights
The one photo the GOP does not want anyone to see was snapped at yesterday’s NAACP GOP Presidential Candidate Forum. The NAACP invited all 9 Republican candidates to the forum, but only one showed up: Tom Tancredo. All the Democratic Presidential hopefuls showed up for their forum.
The excuses given by the Republican campaigns mostly had to do with scheduling conflicts–just too busy to make it.
The resulting photo of Tancredo–standing on a stage of empty podiums–sums up the Republican party’s commitment to civil rights in America: the only Republican interested is the guy running to deny immigrant workers their rights.
One has to wonder why this photo was not the lead on every morning show and on the front pages of every morning newspaper in America.
The reason, most likely, is a coordinated effort by Republicans to pressure news agencies to downplay the obvious implications of having 8 out of 9 of their Presidential candidates as “no shows” for a debate at the NAACP.
What is keeping the obvious story about Republicans and racism out of today’s headlines? David Beckham’s arrival in Hollywood.
This is an ideal moment to stand up and demand the kind of news coverage we want in America. Contact your local TV stations and newspapers. Ask them to run this photo and to write an article about Republicans, civil rights and racism.
© 2007 Jeffrey Feldman, Frameshop
Stop enabling the POS.
Walk.
On.
By.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
12:34 PMI was wondering how long I was going to have to search to find ol Cappy trying to keep someone from expressing their first amendment rights.
Good Job, Oberfueher Cappy
Is Ed “Chamberlin” with you today Cappy?
How about, KS “Wow, Islamists killed all my gay friends” FARM GIRL?
“A little research will show that Lugar is not one of the Repubs who has shown, through the years, that he is not much on protecting America’s foreign interest with a forceful policy. His “defection” probably could have been predicted.”Posted by: fleettwood
Funny, when a Republican defects he’s not called a traitor, un-American or a person who “cuts and runs”.
“GOP Senators back Lugar’s Iraq shift.“Republican senators expressed support today for Indiana Sen. Richard G. Lugar’s call for an immediate change of course in Iraq,” CQ reports.
“I hail what he did,” said Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va., former chairman of the Armed Services Committee. “It shows the strength that each of us individually must bring to this debate.” Warner said that he too feels the September reporting date is too long to wait to revise U.S. war policy. […]”
Now tell us fleettwwood, that do you think is wrong with Warner?
“Now tell us fleettwwood, that do you think is wrong with Warner?”
Right thinkers know that Mr. Warner is fine for many things, but he can, and does, go off the reservation fairly often. I don’t trust him as much as some. It doesn’t surprise me much.
“I was wondering how long I was going to have to search to find ol Cappy trying to keep someone from expressing their first amendment rights. Posted by: Gene Raston | July 13, 2007 at 06:59 PM”
Suggesting to posters to scroll past a post of a particular person or persons is not restricting free speech. Besides we don’t have 1st amendment rights on Weblog:
Comments policyAlthough we are not responsible for the content of the comments on this blog and have no obligation to monitor them, we reserve the right to remove any comments that are threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable.
Dear Iraqi people,
Sorry about that. We made a little boo-boo. Our mistake. We are going to pick up our marbles now and go home. Hope you and your children do well after we depart. Wishing you all the best.
PS: Please assemble at the new US Embassy and form nice and orderly lines for the helicopter ticket to the world. If you have anything that floats, we will be picking up boat people and relocating them to small cities in the US starting shortly after the withdrawal. Make sure you have some ID with you. We don’t want you
Dear Iraqi People,
Of course you know America stands for something and always comes to the rescue. We are like our government. We are here to help!
PS: I know the example we have provided through history will support this. We stick to our guns!
Dear Iraqi People,
Just remember: America is the greatest nation on earth! We can do anything we set out to do.
PS: Oops scratch most of that.
Dear Iraqi people,
We gotta go now. These terrorist IED’s are too much for our American people to stomach. Sorry about your destroyed homes, power supply, and water lines. We will leave you all our alakline batteries no charge. Hope you get your hospitals up and running, I see your kids are malnurished. Too bad you tolerated Saddam Huessin. It’s all his fault and President Bush. Blame him, not the liberal congress who voted for us to go to war. They admit it was a BIG MISTAKE, so now just blame Bush. If you find any AMerican bodies our MIA’s, don’t worry about em. Congress is in charge of everything now. They will figure it out after they tell the generals how to deploy our DEFEATED troops.
Have a nice life!
Last letter to Iraqi people (we really got a get outta here before we get whipped worse.)
Dear Terrorist,
Please don’t take our “redeployment” from Iraq as a withdrawal with our tail between our legs.We will chase you to the ends of the earth, and don’t you forget that. We never cut and run.We have the strength as a nation to see things through. Once our congress and presidentcommit us to something, we “git er done”.
PS: Ooops scratch most of that.
Serious double standard…so Christians think they’re so persecuted that they’re shooting themselves in their own feet.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2007/07/scarborough_dif.html
That goes beautifully with the Evangelicals who protested the Hindu prayer guy at Congress huh?
Sure it’s ok for THEM to say prayers with congressional leaders, but heaven forbid someone else’s religion have a moment at the podium. I guess maybe if they protest long enough, we’ll end prayers in Congress too?
I think most of the libs agree with you Kaeb Elgae. Maybe you should write for the Eagle.
GOOD link PM… I like that one… I have been arguing that point for years now!!
Is it Chief Wahawk? I am honored to meet your acquaintence. I am Sheik Elgae, but prefer to be addressed as Kaeb while in this country.
I know some of you here hate America because it base on government for the people by the people. I know some of you would rather live under a dictatorship but there is good news, love it or leave it. When presented with the truth most American choose to live in it and that scare the other 26 % but living in the truth is the American way it is the christen way. Love it or leave it.
No, not Chief, just Wahawk a regular brave.
Sorta funny to watch all the non-Americans complain here.
Same thing happened with my people many moons ago.
Some say don’t trust white man, others sign treaties.
See what happens when you don’t fight for your land?
Oh we fight for our people and land too. We are soon close to winning big victory, praise Allah. What you call moons, we call centuries. We finally have future, yes? American people wake up and know they cannot win. We do not have modern things or even running water. But Allah takes care of all needs. Mohammed is great. The victory celebration will be great!
P_momThat was a good video. I apologize for recently using that word. It is offensive and I was wrong. I will not use it again, here or elsewhere.
“GOOD link PM… I like that one… I have been arguing that point for years now!!”
Posted by: Chas. | July 13, 2007 at 09:29 PM
Chas I have to admit I am a little confused by your position on this. If you are a Christian minister why would you not think that Christ should be first and foremost.
I think that if other religions are invited to pray they should be allowed to in peace. I’m just confused by your stance on this. I mean tolerance is one thing – but this is like a Hoover vacumn cleaner salesman telling you that a Kirby is as good or better. Could be why the jobs aren’t coming your way.
Just a follow up on the Raj Goyle case of voter intimidation.
No one will be surprised to know that our Demo DA has just determined that even though he was kicked out of two voting places, he really did nothing wrong because he was simply acting as a ‘voting agent’ – whatever that means.
I guess the laws about campaigning inside voting places don’t apply anymore. Or at least not if you are a demo.
Harvard and Yale educated and he didn’t know the most elementary thing about campaigning.
KsGrm… Because I am a Christian means I should not approve of other religions?? Or want their prayers to be heard?? Hmmm… Just what planet are you from??
What do you cons think? Another crybaby?Reservist tries to stop 5th deployment By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press WriterFri Jul 13, 6:57 PM ET
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – Army Reserve Sgt. Erik Botta has been sent to Iraq three times and to Afghanistan once. He thinks that’s enough.
ADVERTISEMENTBotta wants a court to block the military’s plan to deploy him for a fifth time Sunday, most likely to Iraq. He isn’t against the war ? but he thinks he can serve his country better now by working for a defense contractor and pursuing his education.
“This has nothing to do with protest of the war … I have nothing but respect for the people on the ground,” Botta said Friday, one day after he filed his petition in U.S. District Court in West Palm Beach. “But I feel I do need a fair decision and a fair review.”
Botta, 26, of Port St. Lucie, contends in his petition that the Army’s refusal to exempt him from deployment “constitutes unlawful custody.” Botta argues the Army did not consider the length and nature of his previous tours “to assure a sharing of exposure to the hazards of combat.”
He was granted an initial exemption last year, allowing him to pursue an electrical engineering degree at Palm Beach Community College and work as a senior technician on Blackhawk and Seahawk helicopters at Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. But now his exemption has been denied.
Botta said he was shocked when he received notice of his latest deployment orders.
“My heart sank through the floor,” he said. “I’ve sacrificed all my time into this new life I have now.”
Botta enlisted in the Army Reserves in October 2000. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, he requested transfer to active duty, which was granted the next month, according to the petition.
Botta was deployed to Afghanistan for about seven months in 2002. He then had three deployments to Iraq ? about a month in 2003, three months in 2004 and 15 days later that year.
Army spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Phillips noted that Army Reserve units deploy for 12 consecutive months, and that Botta had only accumulated about 10 nonconsecutive months of deployment. She also noted that Botta was under an eight-year service contract.
“The Army leadership acknowledges the hardships and sacrifices of our soldiers and their families and is aggressively pursuing means to lessen their strain,” Phillips wrote in an e-mail Friday. “We evaluate each request for deferment or exemption from mobilization independently to determine if a deployment will cause undue hardship for the soldier or the family.”
She said that out of 649 deployment delays requested by soldiers since the start of the Afghan war in 2001, the Army has granted 561 or 87 percent. Of the 5,708 exemptions that have been requested, 2,983 or 54 percent have been granted.
Botta’s previous deployments in Iraq were as a communications specialist with the 3rd Battalion, 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment and were shorter than most tours because they were “emergency deployments,” said his attorney, Mark Waple.
After his release from active duty on Oct. 30, 2004, Botta has not been required to participate in any training, he said.
Botta now wants a federal judge to stop his deployment. If a resolution is not reached, he said he will follow orders and deploy Sunday to Fort Jackson near Columbia, S.C.
Waple said the Army’s decision to redeploy Botta and to deny his request for exemption is arbitrary and goes against actions in similar cases where academic exemptions were granted.
“We’re just concerned that they’re granting these exemptions in some cases and denying them in others without any real meaningful methodology in making that decision,” Waple said.
Waple also noted that Congress requires the Defense Department to “take into consideration the reservist’s prior military service to be certain that there is uniform exposure among reservists to the hazards of combat and the Department of the Army has failed to do that in Sgt. Botta’s case.”
Back up your claims, germ. Extraordinary claims require extraordinay evidence. Please be forthcoming on you proof of Goyle’s high crimes and misdemeanors. Otherwise, we are left to conclude that the above was more of you unsubstantiated nonsense.
I mean Grmm… there was NO tolerance on the part of those who attempted to shout down the Hindu religioius leader invited to pray in Congress — NONE… That is not what MY faith is all about…
Sen’s Warner and Lugar have now joined ranks and asked the President to come up with a new plan for re-deployment of troops SOON… Nobody has called them Anti-American, or defeatists… like they did when John Kerry proposed nearly the SAME program last year… Hmmmmm…. I guess if you are a Republican, you can call for re-deployment, but if you are a Democrat and do it, you are Anti-American….
“PS: Please assemble at the new US Embassy and…”Posted by: Kaeb Elgae | July 13, 2007 at 08:47 PM
It has some “problems”… and isn’t open yet.
‘Construction Woes Add to Fears at Embassy in Iraq’http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/04/AR2007070401685_pf.html
Steven, thankyou, I liked it a lot too.
Chas, some people simply don’t get it. I appreciate you. YOU are a good example of a GOOD Christian.
Thjanks PM I appreciate that a lot…
Now we are all truly blessed.
Ya know, Chas could be a child molesting murderer sitting on death row for all you know.
At least Mom still loves you.
Sure… And you could be in the next cell, too… for all we know… LOL Just cut your crap!!
Gee Chas, you really nearby?
Bet you are nice and soft and round, aren’t you!
mmmmmmmmmm…………….
Walk on by….
Clark is Farmgirl!
I think somebody around this place has had a serious meltdown… must be all this heat… HA!!
Are you getting HOT Chas? Sweatty too?
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………….
I am not playing your game, dumkopf… Nobody is any more!!
Ouch! Dumkopf, that really hurt Chas.
Does that mean your not coming over tonight?
Anybody got bets down on Bonds hitting 756??
Yeah, it helps me to think of baseball too sometimes.
Takes your mind off the subject at hand…
I am thinking during the Dodgers/Giants Series this weekend… but he will have to crank them out today and tomorrow!!
Ya know, when it comes to republican, khahn, in the next cell, holier than thou, or whatever whatever’s troll name is, Ron White was indeed correct: You really can’t fix stupid.
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