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And today’s Bush Family Evil Empire: Scandal Du Jure comes courtesy of a Reagan appointee at the Dept. of Justice.
When reasonable conservatives are demanding IMPEACHMENT, you know President Coke-spoon has a serious problem, and I’m not just talking about the drugs and alcohol.
BUSH JUSTICE IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE
By John S. Koppel
Denver Post (July 5, 2007) –
As a longtime attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice, I can honestly say that I have never been as ashamed of the department and government that I serve as I am at this time.
The public record now plainly demonstrates that both the DOJ and the government as a whole have been thoroughly politicized in a manner that is inappropriate, unethical and indeed unlawful. The unconscionable commutation of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s sentence, the misuse of warrantless investigative powers under the Patriot Act and the deplorable treatment of U.S. attorneys all point to an unmistakable pattern of abuse.
In the course of its tenure since the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush administration has turned the entire government (and the DOJ in particular) into a veritable Augean stable on issues such as civil rights, civil liberties, international law and basic human rights, as well as criminal prosecution and federal employment and contracting practices. It has systematically undermined the rule of law in the name of fighting terrorism, and it has sought to insulate its actions from legislative or judicial scrutiny and accountability by invoking national security at every turn, engaging in persistent fearmongering, routinely impugning the integrity and/or patriotism of its critics, and protecting its own lawbreakers. This is neither normal government conduct nor “politics as usual,” but a national disgrace of a magnitude unseen since the days of Watergate – which, in fact, I believe it eclipses . . .
The public trust has been flagrantly violated, and meaningful accountability is long overdue. Officials who have brought into disrepute both the Department of Justice and the administration of justice as a whole should finally have to answer for it – and the misdeeds at issue involve not merely garden-variety misconduct, but multiple “high crimes and misdemeanors,” including war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I realize that this constitutionally protected statement subjects me to a substantial risk of unlawful reprisal from extremely ruthless people who have repeatedly taken such action in the past. But I am confident that I am speaking on behalf of countless thousands of honorable public servants, at Justice and elsewhere, who take their responsibilities seriously and share these views. And some things must be said, whatever the risk.
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6308408
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Even the conservatives are seeing that the only way to save the ship of state that is America is to throw the Commander Cod-Piece overboard.
This has been your Bush Family Evil Empire: Scandal Du Jour.
No serious attempt at impeachment can be made AND I don’t want it. Removing Bush would leave Cheney in charge- a terrible alternative. I am content to just let Bush bumble and fumble his way through the next year.
Yes! Cheney in Charge with Fred Thompson as the new VP waiting in the wings!
Iran – can you hear the bombs bursting in mid-air yet?
Iran would immediately surrender its nucleur program shutdown – shakin in their boots like when Reagan was elected.
The war would be won without a shot being fired – just aiming the gun will do the trick.
tippy? is that you?
Ya know, they could impeach both bush and cheney. It isnt an either or situatation. And Kev? I think they could do more damage than you can imagine if left to “bumble and stumble” until 2009. I’m not sure this country can stand any more of their “leadership”.
Why no comment yet on David Vitter, the esteemed evangelical congressman from louisiana, being a client of the D.C. Madam?
Yet another religious, right wing hypocrit? I think so.
“Vitter in June 2006: “no issue more important” than same-sex marriage banthank god we’ve got guys in the senate standing up for the sanctity of marriage
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/06/same.sex.mar... /
The Senate is scheduled to vote Wednesday morning on a controversial constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, but even supporters concede the measure does not have enough votes to win approval.
“I don’t believe there’s any issue that’s more important than this one,” said Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican. “I think this debate is very healthy, and it’s winning a lot of hearts and minds. I think we’re going to show real progress.”
I guess that translates into: “look over there at the bright and shiney object while I hire hookers”.
Jesus WEPT!
…and no comment on Michal Moore’s smackdown of Wolf Blitzer and the MSM? No thread?
Ok, well, here ya go.
Run time: 10:01http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvg-U6uKo6gPosted on YouTube: July 09, 2007By YouTube Member: MudesiViews on YouTube: 5974
…and no comment about how well the iraq war is going? No comment on the potential for reinstating the draft, given the strain on the military?
“Army Missed Recruiting Goal AgainSource: ABC News
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl and Luis Martinez report: Already stretched thin by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army is having a hard time finding new recruits. ABC News has learned the Army missed its recruiting goal in June for the second month in a row. It’s the first time in more than two years that the Army has missed recruiting goals for two consecutive months.
The figures are especially worrisome because the summer is traditionally the peak recruiting season. Army officials are now worried that July and August will be difficult as well, raising the possibility that the Army will miss its annual goal of 80,000 new recruits for fiscal year 2007, which ends on September 30. The Army has missed an annual recruiting goal only twice in the last decade — in 1999 and 2005.
“It’s a great challenge to maintain an all volunteer Army during a period of extended conflict,” said one defense official. “We’ve never really done it before.”
The Army will officially release its June recruiting figures on Tuesday, but Pentagon officials tell ABC News the numbers are similar to May, when the Army recruited only 93 percent of its goal of signing up 5500 new recruits. The goal for June was 9,750. The last time the Army missed back-to-back monthly goals was April and May 2005.
Read more: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/exclusi...
Where the hell is the LIBERAL media on all this? :)
The WE is acting like it is a slow newsday when actually, out in the real world, hell’s a poppin’.
But it’s just another rainy day in doo-da?—–
…and no comment anywhere about this?
“Report: Gonzales Knew of FBI ViolationsPublished: 7/10/07, 12:45 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales received reports detailing legal or procedural violations by FBI agents in the months before he told senators that no such abuses had occurred, The Washington post reported Tuesday.
In April 2005, while seeking renewal of the broad powers granted law enforcement under the USA Patriot Act, Gonzales said, “There has not been one verified case of civil liberties abuse” from the law enacted after the 9/11 terror attacks.
According to the Post, Gonzales had received a least half a dozen reports describing such violations in the three months before he made that statement. The newspaper obtained the internal FBI documents under the Freedom of Information Act.
The violations, the Post reported, included unauthorized surveillance and an illegal property search.
http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?bfromind=7816...
A lie? From a bushco cabinet member? A “mistruth” from the bushco DOJ? AGAG not being truth challenged and resorting to “truthiness” instead?
Say it isnt so…
Do you wonder what Vitter’s wife might be saying about his use of the D.C. Madam’s girls?
The past may give us a clue.
“In 2000, Vitter was included in a Newhouse News Service story about the strain of congressional careers on families.
His wife, Wendy, was asked by the Newhouse News reporter: If her husband was as unfaithful as former President Bill Clinton, would she be as forgiving as Hillary Clinton?
“I’m a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary,” Wendy Vitter told Newhouse News. “If he does something like that, I’m walking away with one thing, and it’s not alimony, trust me.”
“I think fear is a very good motivating factor in a marriage,” she added. “Don’t put fear down.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4850.html
I want to discuss two related issues that have been raised in WEBlog in the past few days.
Yesterday Rhonda’s piece on WSU student debt opened a wide-ranging discussion on higher education in Kansas. Before that, her thread on Congressional representation, noting that in 1958, Kansas’s six delegates were half Democrat, half Republican spurred Ben to point out that we’re down to four Congressmen now, which represents a significant loss of state influence in Washington on behalf or Kansas’s citizens.
I believe that the two issues are related, and I’m not the only one. KU and KSU began tracking their graduation rates, and measuring them against students’ ACT scores a few years ago. Both universities have found a very strong positive association: higher scores concord with higher graduation rates.
We know that ACT scores positively correlate with family income and parental education levels. Success in one generation begets success in the next, not absolutely, but statistically. Can family social status be more de-linked from college preparation and success in university study, so that more young Kansans can go to university, study, graduate in a timely period (making room for more other students to attend in the process), and not rack up excess student-loan debt?
Kansas’s ag economy is obsolescent. We can see this because Kansas’s rural population is shrinking. With WTO obligations, commodity crops subsidies will eventually be terminated, perhaps within the next decade.
These subsidies have negative effects. They discourage innovation in ag production by creating a “this works okay, we’re getting by” ethos that influences decision-making.
The subsidies create a government-dependency welfare mentality that extends beyond farms per se. For example, in California and the Carolinas, when wealthy beachfront homeowners’ houses are destroyed by huge storms, they go to their insurance companies. They privately rent apartments or houses elsewhere until their insurance companies rebuild their homes. Government help in California is restricted to repairing mudslide-covered and wave-damaged roads, not private property. FEMA doesn’t send trailers to Malibu. Nor to Hilton Head, South Carolina.
In Katrina and the Greensburg tornado, government help was expected, because the victims were incapable of dealing with private property destruction through private channels, as they didn’t have the financial means nor social capital to do so.
The town of Greensburg itself existed because of the federal farm-welfare program. Absent the tornado, the abolition of federal ag support would or will be no less fatal to Greensburg, and to hundreds of heartland towns like Greensburg–unless these towns’ peoples and surrounding farmers devised completely new econmic strategies. Which are not absolutely inconceivable, but if the government is providing welfare payments that enable a modestly comfortable life, what’s the good of “thinking different”, or more to the point, working really hard to reinvent the rural economy?
Kansas is inexorably “fracturing”. Even with farm subsidies, the economy of rural Kansas has been in long-term decline. In the 2000-2003 period, six of eight (75%) Wichita MSA counties have lost population. Wichita serves as the primary relocation center for rural exodists. They don’t know how to create successful economies—if they did they would choose not to leave their home communities and kinfolk. Wichita’s growth in this context, along with its being a growing settlement center for displaced agrarian peoples from Mexico, is not dynamic growth heralding economic invigoration.
In the 2000-2003 period, Sedgwick County’s population growth was 2.2%, compared to the U.S.’s 4.4%. Part of this is fallout from the general recession and 9/11, both now behind us, but the hard fact is Boeing sold its civil aviation plant, and Raytheon jettisoned its general aviation business, in order to relieve themselves of mounting legacy costs. Wichita’s aviation workforce is middle-aged and getting grayer every year. Onyx/Spirit can only make profits by reducing wages and benefits, and ultimately by outsourcing more work to lower-labor-cost (and younger able-bodied) nations.
We can’t demonize Boeing, Raytheon or Spirit. Wichita’s aviation industry was originally based on recruiting low-cost farm refugees to perform manual assembly and machining tasks. In the 50’s and 60’s offering full-coverage medical benefits was feasible, because below-age-40 workers didn’t need much medical care. Pension plans took in more money than they had to pay out.
But medical and pension payouts have soared. The easiest way to deal with this was to “send a message” to workers that either the plants would be shuttered, or they would be sold to a new operator who would keep them open, but reduce benefits. Both proposals were toxic pills, but the latter was more tolerable than the former to the forty- and fifty-something year old aviation workers who chose to get to retirement, and let the younger workers fend for themselves down the road.
The only part of Kansas experiencing dynamic growth and economic prosperity is the Kansas side of the Kansas City MSA. It’s drawing rural refugees, like Wichita, but its vibrancy is due to a large influx of educated, energetic people who have attended KU and KSU, and people from across the country and around the globe: Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Colorado, Arizona, California, Virginia, England, Ireland, France, Korea, India, Israel, Taiwan, Australia and Africa.
Most of Wichita’s movers and shakers make money selling products locally. Their enterprises do not bring in outside-world-source dollars, but merely redistribute them. These monies are provided in largest part by the aviation companies. But as the aviation companies reduce this cash inflow to Wichita, what’s the local leaders’ game plan to compensate? Build an arena?
Wichita could conceivably develop composite-materials products. But where is the university research funding that elsewhere is foundational to technology-based industrial development?
University research is not understood in our community. Done with sufficient financial support and strategic planning, university research does four key things:
1. It provides new insights that have commercial applicability. It’s not 100% effective in doing this, because research by its nature is exploratory and experimental. But it generates enough practicable ideas to invigorate economies. Every thriving city / MSA in America has a major research university located nearby.
2. Faculty often provide consulting and directorship services to private industry. This was unheard of before WWII, but changed afterward. In my university’s chemistry department, professors made thousands of dollars annually advising oil and chemical companies. Today, some university faculty make more money guiding tech startups than they make in university salaries. This occurs because their scientific and technical knowledge aids the development of commercial products. So it has marketable value.
3. Companies seek conveniently-hirable human capital. High-tech companies that offer excellent salaries set up operations in places whose universities are producing smart, research-savvy graduates. If you’re leading a company that is developing new products, you need people who can go beyond assessing what currently is, and see down the road to what doesn’t yet exist, but is potentially doable.
4. The high-tech companies also provide jobs to people who have not attended research universities. These hires rarely make as much money as those who have attended, but they have steady jobs with good salaries and decent benefits.
The watchword in the 21st century economy is multidisciplinary collaboration. GE was reinvigorated by Jack Welch’s promotion of this strategic concept. The revolutionary new Eclipse business jet represents the inspiration of a software expert who assembled a team of aeronautics engineers, aircraft interior design experts, materials science experts, electronics engineers, expert-craftsmen machinists and constructors, and others who knew things he did not. A former Microsoft guy building planes? This is completely outside the box of traditional (e.g. Wichita) general-aviation thinking. But it’s working. Adam Air in Colorado is the brainchild of another former IT guy deciding to build 21st century small aircraft.
Today every major research university is promoting multidisciplinary collaboration. When I went to school collaboration meant two biochemists splitting research project tasks for their graduate students to perform. Today’s biochemistry faculty collaborate with engineers, informatics experts, intellectual property experts over at the law school, and business school professors.
I’m not the only one clued into this. KU Chancellor Bob Hemenway wants to massively increase KU’s research funding, particularly federal funding. People in KC are talking about changing UMKC into a serious research university. Educating the populace and convincing them—and political leaders– to “buy in” is a major hurdle. JoCo residents “get it”.
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Is this replacing the “Suck their brains out before they breach” channel?
MPS-
A lot of good ideas, sokme contained within the aeronautical research group and WSU. But, before trumpeting Eclipse air and Adam Air too much, you should take a look at each. Eclipse boats hundreds, if not thousands of orders–how many deliveries? Adam Aviation is where in the process?Both have some great technological and systemic developments, my predictions is neither will eventually make much of an impact in aircraft deliveries.
I agree with a lot of what you said MPS, it correlates exactly with Thomas Freidman’s argument with his book “The World is Flat”.
We are not just competing with other metro areas, we are competing with the world and we can’t just stand by and let the old blue hair way of doing things be done or we will be left behind in the world stage. China it self is on track to surpass the USA from GDP to the number of engineers and that means technological innovation.
One thing I do credit is that WSU has one of the greatest aviation research institutes in the country that researches practical applications and a composite testing lab that may be small, but is second to none.
One thing is that the Wichita area movers and shakers are trying to gear themselves to a composite area. While we continuously talk about diversification of our economy, but in this day in age, it’s much better to specialize.
Silicone valley, Research Triangle in the Virgina area, the Medical research circle in the Boston are and so on.
But we can only do so much. We can provide the research capabilities, the economic incentives, but if nobody steps up as an individual to take on the challenge to make a career or a business in it, nothing can be done. The old analogy “You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.”
The problem is that many of the youth now-a-days dream of being on American Idol, a movie star, singer of some type. Just go ask any youngster and nobody will answer (An engineer, a research scientist, an entrepreneur).
The Peerless Tower Project, for which I’m working on isn’t planned to be a tourist attraction. It is directed at the people of the Wichita area to gain inspiration from those who became successful entrepreneurs and innovators. It is a reminder of “they can do it, you can do it.”
Me and my friends brainstorm all the time on ways or products that can be beneficial and profitable for our society. I believe in entrepreneurialism, because that is what builds our nation, our city and our economy. Reliance on the welfare state does not, as your great example of what it does to the Ag community.
Change of topic, but folowing thru from another thread, this seemed to be the best place. I suggested the Constitution be amended to remove the clemency and pardon capability of the President. In the same vein, what other Constitutional Amendments should be done, and why?
L J — That could be a little bit knee jerk at this point… I also dont think it would fly, if done when Congress is not of the same party as the sitting President… And, as an amendment, it would take voting by the state legislatures… Remember the craziness of the ERA??
Chas.
i agree that it may be difficult, but I can no longer see any need for such powers. I think it would be worth a try. Certainly worth more attention than the stupid flag burning amendment, and the marriage amendment, etc. Yeah, the ERA brings back memories of craziness.
The ERA still needs to be passed. It’s ridiculous not to.
Political Mom-
I knew I would hear from you :)
DC Madam’s client list posted:
Senator’s Number on Escort Service ListBy DOUGLASS K. DANIEL,APPosted: 2007-07-10 12:17:22Filed Under: PoliticsWASHINGTON (July 10) — Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, whose telephone number was disclosed by the so-called “D.C. Madam” accused of running a prostitution ring, says he is sorry for a “serious sin” and that he has already made peace with his wife.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/senators-number-on-escort-service-list/20070709224309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Sen. David Vitter, R-La., issued an apology Monday after his number turned up in phone records of alleged “D.C. Madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey.
In April, another former client, deputy Secretary of State Randall Tobias, resigned after ABC News interviewed him about Palfrey’s alleged call-girl ring.
On April 12, court documents named Harlan Ullman, a developer of the “shock and awe” military strategy, as a Palfrey client. He said he was weighing legal action.
Buh-bye Rudy. Don’t let it hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
Yep the flag burning and marriage amendments are bringing out just as much craziness as ERA… and they DONT need to be passed…
The marriage amendment would be the FIRST such to be passed that would make one group of people NOT EQUAL to another… Oh what a tangled web we weave…
Harlan Ullman doesn’t like the fact that he was exposed in a crime.
Given the Bush system of justice, he’ll probably win.
Bush Justice is whoever is his crony wins . . . everybody else rots in jail.
CapN… Just remember, GWB had great family teachers…
“Bush Justice is whoever is his crony wins . . . everybody else rots in jail.”
Is that impeachable? I think so.
Now, on to just as important matters.
“MANAMA (Reuters) – The U.S. navy has sent a third aircraft carrier to its Fifth Fleet area of operations, which includes Gulf waters close to Iran, the navy said on Tuesday.”
This is bad. While I do not want the crazy dude from Iran to have Nukes, this is still bad. We do not need, or cannot afford–financially or otherwise, military action against Iran.
“lil bush”http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=89280
The dems did a horrible job what with great gas prices and peace and prosperity right…its so much better now with over 3.00 a gallon gas and an endless war and endless corruption scandals and cronism right…
“We do not need, or cannot afford–financially or otherwise, military action against Iran.”
Dear Mr. Churchill:
Perhaps if we could just talk to him, it would be OK.
Signed, Mr. Chamberlain
Hey Fleetwood-
When Iran attacks a major portion of the world, or the US. come back and talk to me about Churchill/Chamberlian crap. Until then, keep the historical perspective correct, will you?
“When Iran attacks a major portion of the world,…”
That is correct, President Clinton, we should wait until they attack a major portion of the world, or the US. Then we will show him what for.
An excellent speech made by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., at the NY Live Earth Event
RFK Jr.: Change Governments, not Lightbulbshttp://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=6514&method=full
Got the troops to do anything different there fleetwood. No,I didn;t think so. Got the money to pay for anothe war there fleetwood? No, I didn;t think so. Got the will of the American public to do any different there Fleetwood? No, I didn;t think so.
SO okay, let;s attack because of what they might do. Let;s start another damn war that we have no clue about. Okay, President wood. GO ahead
Sorry Cosmos,
I lose interest with statements like”
“This is treason and we need to start treating them now as traitors.”
This is an important word to me. I do not throw it lightly, or expect others to do the same. Treason is punishable by death, as it should be. Those on both sides lose my interest with such talk.
Hey! Is that my house I see over ther….
“Two workers died this morning after falling at least 500 feet from a broadcast tower south of Kansas 10 near Eudora.”
Here’s a nice read
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mick_jac_070701__22armed_madness_22___a_.htm
Despite 4 futile years in Iraq, Fleettwood still wants to fight to the last drop of somebody else’s blood, now with Iran.
Yeah, great idea.
What’s failing in Iraq should be started in Iran.
Good plan. True Republican.
New rule:
Links that have no description will not be clicked.
“Those on both sides lose my interest with such talk.”
Jeez, the right wing accuses the left of being treasonous all the time.
For a while, Fleet would and others accused me of treason, then Fleet decided that I was just guilty of sedition.
Which, of course, is also punishable by death.
It seems to me that the right has been accusing the left of treason for about four years now.
In fact, the Republican president, George WMD Bush has been quoted as saying privately that anti-war Democrats are “god damn traitors.”
Interesting.
WSCLARK-
I have no interest in the right saying it either. It’s just plain BS.
“George WMD Bush has been quoted as saying privately that anti-war Democrats are “god damn traitors.”
Got no interest in him, either. Time to go George
Here’s another eye-opener.
http://www.gregpalast.com/how-come-nobody-told-me-this-before/
“For a while, Fleet would and others accused me of treason, then Fleet decided that I was just guilty of sedition.”
Now you finally got it right.I would vote against death, though. I would make you serve time with cosmo and ed.
http://www.gregpalast.com/dan-crashes-bush-flies-high/
http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/07/071007debate.htm
“For the first time the leading candidates for the presidency will hold a televised debate devoted solely to LGBT issues. ”
WHatever would they debate? Won’t they just fall over themselves promising more and more? TO debate, you have to have differences of opinion, don’t you.
Actually, I think it is great the issues are getting a hearing, but I doubt it will be much more interesting than watching a lot of bobbing heads
“I doubt it will be much more interesting than watching a lot of bobbing heads”
I think the “bobbing heads” remark is unfortunate.
think the “bobbing heads” remark is unfortunate.
Posted by: fleettwood | July 10, 2007 at 05:08 PM
Funny, until you said it, I never thought of it that way. Perhaps a different choice would have been better, perhaps not.
“Doug Marlette, the North Carolina-born cartoonist who won a Pulitzer Prize and created the popular strip “Kudzu,” was killed in a car accident Tuesday morning in Mississippi, authorities said. He was 57.”
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Oh come on Cappy, you can say PLENTY of things that are ridiculous, I’VE SEEN YOU DO IT. To quote Chevy Chase. “You’re a tremendous slouch.”
Must have hit a nerve there huh Cappy?
But no you’re right again. What I stated on yesterdays open thread went against what YOU had to say, so of course, I’M IN THE WRONG, I’M THE ONE THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
Proved my point right on the nose. Thanks Cappy.
OOOPSS sorry, it didn’t paste what Cappy had to say to my posting yesterday about his NOT VERY LIBERAL, rant about freedom of speech.
Gene Ralston–
I can say anything that makes you look more ridiculous than what you’ve already said yourself.
What a maroon.
Posted by: CapnAmerica
Sorry again folks.
It was Cappy’s rant AGAINST freedom of speech.
littlejohn,
“Treason is punishable by death, as it should be.”
So a “betrayal of trust or confidence” is “punishable by death”?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/treasonhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/traitor
The orderlies let Patient Ralston get access to a computer again.
Don’t make me call Larned, Gene. It’s a toll call.
People who live in glass houses, capn!
Capn,
Shouldn’t you be out crafting “hate” speech laws? Shouldn’t you be out burning books and literature? Maybe you can start with Huck Finn.
Just keep going Cappy Himmler.
Since Republican believes that I’m an “egotistical narcissist” because I post a link going to my posts…
I’ll post a link to one of his posts.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/sicko-offers-gl.html#comment-74563392
Readers can note that it, and his next post (just after my post below it), both link to another of HIS posts.
And that post that HE made, has links to two other posts that HE made.
btw: Because my reply was re Republican’s post (below) re Iraq and France, I didn’t include the U.S. age distribution.
“Maybe Michael Moore should make a movie about Iraq and figure out what they are doing to have over 3 deaths per thousand population LESS THAN FRANCE!”
Now seriously Cappy, I thought the liberal mantra was everyone should do what they want, there is no wrong.
I mean all the libs in my state are:
Wealth re-distribution? OF COURSE.
13 year olds having abortions, without parent knowledge or permission? OF COURSE.
Global Warming being man made with NO counter arguement allowed? OF COURSE.
Blacks be allowed to use the defense that he was afraid the cops would kill him, thats why he gave permission to let them search his car and find his dope and have this defense backed up by the 9th circuit court?OF COURSE.
That there should be NO federal ID so that illegal aliens have an easier time to do MORE crimes? OF COURSE.
No war ever, for ANY reason.OF COURSE.
Fix Darfur, Somalia, Iran, Syria, N. Korea and all their problems without ANY military intervention? OF COURSE.
Sit back while these countrys dictate OUR foreign policy?OF COURSE.
Place gay rights OVER the wishes of the voters? OF COURSE.
Bad mouth the U.S. Military and the country because underwear was put on the head of a muslim but strangely silent when thousands of muslims are killed by other muslims? OF COURSE.
Saddam and his sons killed more Iraqis and Kuwaitis and Iranians, then will be killed the entire time the U.S. will be in Iraq, but thats okay, the U.S. shouldn’t have gone in?OF COURSE.
Saddam’s rape and torture rooms, okay? OF COURSE.
Capturing or killing Osama will be the end of ALL TERRORISM against the U.S.? OF COURSE.
Again, liberalism is a DANGEROUS mental disorder.
“And that post that HE made, has links to two other posts that HE made.”
cosmo– Who cares. I get this feeling you are on the young side of things. Not too smart, yet. Grasping at things you don’t understand, yet.
cosmos, no one cares about your old posts or my old posts. Get over your ego-centric narcissistic self. No one really cares, really they don’t.
“Saddam and his sons killed more Iraqis and Kuwaitis and Iranians”
Who gave them the weapons to kill those Iranians and the Kurds?.
Former Bush surgeon general says he was muzzled
Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:25PM EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The first U.S. surgeon general appointed by President George W. Bush accused the administration on Tuesday of political interference and muzzling him on key issues like embryonic stem cell research.
“Anything that doesn’t fit into the political appointees’ ideological, theological or political agenda is ignored, marginalized or simply buried,” Dr. Richard Carmona, who served as the nation’s top doctor from 2002 until 2006, told a House of Representatives committee.
“The problem with this approach is that in public health, as in a democracy, there is nothing worse than ignoring science, or marginalizing the voice of science for reasons driven by changing political winds. The job of surgeon general is to be the doctor of the nation, not the doctor of a political party,” Carmona added.
Carmona said Bush administration political appointees censored his speeches and kept him from talking out publicly about certain issues, including the science on embryonic stem cell research, contraceptives and his misgivings about the administration’s embrace of “abstinence-only” sex education.
Carmona’s comments came two days before a Senate committee is due to hold a hearing on Bush’s nomination of Dr. James Holsinger as his successor. The administration allowed Carmona to finish his term as surgeon general last year without a replacement in place.
Gay rights activists and several leading Democrats have criticized Holsinger for what they see as “anti-gay” writings, but the White House has defended him as well qualified.
U.S. surgeons general in the past have issued influential reports on subjects including smoking, AIDS and mental health.
“Political interference with the work of the surgeon general appears to have reached a new level in this administration,” said Rep. Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who chairs the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to which Carmona testified.
“The public expects that a surgeon general will be immune from political pressure and be allowed to express his or her professional views based on the best available science,” he said. Continued…
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1034212120070710?feedType=RSS
Okay, Gene.
You don’t deserve a response, but here it is anyway, because I’m just that kind of a guy.
I am defining “hate speech” as public speech that foments violence against minorites who have traditionally been victims of mob and vigilante violence.
It has nothing to do with Nazi fascism, which is the very antithesis of protecting people FROM violence.
As I clearly explained above, but not clearly enough for the dense skull like yours and Jonas’s apparently, I believe that all speech is protected by the first amendment EXCEPT for speech which encourages violence against someone or some group.
For instance, take Tom Metzger–former member of the John Birch Society, Grand Dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Christian Identity Minister, and founder of a fascist terror organization The White Aryan Resistance (WAR).
“In 1990, when an Oregon jury rendered a $12.5 million judgment against him and his son, John, for inciting the murder of an Ethiopian immigrant by skinheads.”
Demanding that illegal immigrants be KILLED like Sgt. Slaughter did the other day is probably illegal. It is most certainly in violation of the Blog rules that prohibit “threatening” posts.
That’s why I asked The Eagle to do its flipping job and pull posts like that one.
I’m not asking it to pull any other posts, even if they are really, really stupid and vile, like yours.
Hope that clears things up.
Reads like Carmona should be fired since he’s a political appointee.
Big Ears – Cavernous Nostril Waxman is a joke for a Congressman. No one can ever believe a thing that comes out of that man’s mouth. He’s a “Type A” personality heart attack waiting to happen.
Gene Raston is suffering from rush syndrome.
Republican can’t you read? Carmona served as U.S. surgeon general from 2001 to 2006. Republican suffers from o’reilly syndrome.
That’s a good thing then Ha Ha, he’s no longer Surgeon General.
“Gene Raston is suffering from rush syndrome.”
Does it not embarrass you people to use this tactic when you people are the ones who kneel at the altar of daily kos? (Tell me how to think) Just who is it who links to the Libs sites?
Republican,
“cosmos, no one cares about your old posts or my old posts.”
I just wanted to let any new readers to the WE Blog know that Republican, claiming to = Kansas “values”, is a LIAR, and hypocrite.
I’ll do it once and a while, just to help keep them informed.
Republican believes in personal responsibility, so it wont bother him :)
Big Brother is watching You! (And no it’s not Hillary).Data on Americans mined for terror risk By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 9 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – The FBI is gathering and sorting information about Americans to help search for potential terrorists, insurance cheats and crooked pharmacists, according to a government report obtained Tuesday.
ADVERTISEMENTRecords about identity thefts, real estate transactions, motor vehicle accidents and complaints about Internet drug companies are being searched for common threads to aid law enforcement officials, the Justice Department said in a report to Congress on the agency’s data-mining practices.
In addition, the report disclosed government plans to build a new database to assess the risk posed by people identified as potential or suspected terrorists.
The chairman of the Senate committee that oversees the Justice Department said the database was “ripe for abuse.” The American Civil Liberties Union immediately derided the quality of the information that could be used to score someone as a terror threat.
The report, sent to Congress this week, marked the department’s first public detailing of six of its data-mining tools, which look for patterns to catch criminals. The disclosure was required by lawmakers when they renewed the USA Patriot Act in 2005. It comes as the Justice Department faces sharp criticism from Congress and civil liberties advocates for violating peoples’ privacy rights in terror and spy investigations.
Justice spokesman Dean Boyd said the databases are strictly regulated to protect privacy rights and civil liberties.
“Each of these initiatives is extremely valuable for investigators, allowing them to analyze and process lawfully acquired information more effectively in order to detect potential criminal activity and focus resources appropriately,” Boyd said in a statement.
All but one of the databases — the one to track terrorists — have been up and running for several years, the report showed. The lone exception is the System to Assess Risk, or STAR, program to rate the threat posed by people already identified as suspected terrorists or named on terror watch lists.
The system, still under construction, is designed to help counterterror investigators save time by narrowing the field of people who pose the greatest potential threat and will not label anyone a terrorist, Boyd said.
But it could be based, in part at least, on commercial or public information that might not be accurate — potentially ranking an innocent person as a terror threat. Watch lists, for example, have mistakenly identified people as suspects based on their similar names or birthdates to terrorists.
The Justice report also leaves open the possibility that the STAR program might draw up lists of terror suspects based on information from other sources, including from Data Mart. The report described Data Mart as a collector of government information, but also travel data from the Airlines Reporting Corp. and other information from private data-aggregators like Choicepoint. Private data aggregators often sell commercial credit records as well as other databases, like voter and vehicle registration.
“When you put bad information into a system and you don’t have any mechanism of ensuring the information is of high quality, you’re certain to get bad information spit out on the back end,” said ACLU senior legislative counsel Tim Sparapani. “And that has profoundly negative consequences for the individuals who are wrongly identified as potential terrorists.”
The five other databases detailed in the report include:
_An identity theft intelligence program, used since 2003, to examine and analyze consumer complaints to identify major identity theft rings in a given geographic area.
_A health care fraud system that looks at billing records in government and private insurance claims databases to identify fraud or over-billing by health care providers. It also has been running since 2003.
_A database created in 2005 that looks at consumer complaints to the Food and Drug Administration to identify larger trends about fraud by Internet pharmacies.
_A housing fraud program that analyzes public data on real estate transactions to identify fraudulent housing purchases, including so-called property flipping. The database was built in 1999.
_A system that compares National Insurance Crime Bureau information against other data to crack down on fake car accident insurance claims and identify major offenders.
The 38-page report was four months late in being sent to Congress for required oversight. Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy said it “raises more questions than it answers.”
“Unfortunately, the Congress and the American public know very little about these and other data mining programs, making them ripe for abuse,” said Leahy, D-Vt.Just what does most of these programs have to do with the supposedly anti-terrorist Patriot Act?
Jeez, this didn’t take long….
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19701777/
“BALCO leaker invokes Libby in plea for leniency….. Attorney had leaked confidential grand jury testimony involving Bonds”
Cosmos-That was a “cherry picked” definition, and did not include the rest. How about this from American Heritage Dictionary
“Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies”
That sir, is treason
littlejohn,
When a word has multiple meanings, you’re supposed to use context to pick the one that fits.
“Betrayal” fits the speech better than the “war” meaning.
“get involved in the political process and get rid of all of these rotten politicians that we have in Washington D.C.” is advocating voting them out — not execution, for high treason.
Your sophisticatedness is greater than mine. WHen someone says another has committed treason, to me they are using the word deceptively, to rouse their crowd, or they mean it. Much has been made about BUsh and conservatives using the word to describe those who disagree with the war in Iraq. I just as adamantly disagree with using it about Global warning. Politicians lose my interst in any speech where they start accusing the opposite side of treason. Do as you will. I just stated my own path. You have your own. Fine. I prefer the literal definitin of treason, you prefere a much more shaded. Fine.
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