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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted July 8, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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7/8/7 boeing announced the sale of 35 more 787’s yesterday, looking for the stock to soar Monday.
I’m furious about something that happened. I’m currently caring for my elderly step-grandparents and my step-father who all live in the same house. I’ve been spending considerable time over there for the past 3 months.
They get phone calls all the time of people trying to sell them stuff and they can’t hear worth anything, so they might say yes to something they don’t understand. They have already been scammed by a traveling construction company. But Friday took the cake.
Grandmother had a bill from wal-mart, like a credit card bill, but it didn’t have anything like visa logo or anything. Grandmother was a manager from Kmart years ago, they never shop at Walmart.
Thinking it might have been a mail scam, I called walmart to get the real customer service number. Turns out the account was real. They had a Montgomery Wards card they paid off years ago. Apparently Walmart bought them out. They hadn’t had a bill or anything from that card for at least 7 years. They automatically started charging them for credit card fraud protection! Does fraud perpetrated by themselves count???
So there ya go, now Walmart is reactivating elderly people’s cancelled credit cards and billing them for things they never agreed upon. They claim she never FULLY cancelled the MW card. BS or she would have gotten statements. I wonder how many people are just paying these instead of checking them out?
They dismissed the charges and said they’d cancel the card. But still, it should have never happened in the first place.
Glad you got them to cancel the charge. My cards require my signature to get fraud protection. I think you should call the consumer protection division and talk to them about this. Also, you only get statements when you charge. I’ve had some of my cards for years and forget I have them until they send out the new card after the old one expires.
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The best thing you can do for an elderly person is get them on the no call list and put a “No Solicitor” sign on the door. Criminal business people love to prey on them because they are easy marks for a quick buck. The magazine salesmen, the Irish Travellers, you name it. I found that putting the number on the no call list and adding at&t’s Privacy Director which refuses calls from unknown or blocked phone numbers pretty much took care of the problem.
Ummm Happy: They want MONEY to use that link… thanks anyway…
Focus on Solutions
In spite of the critics and those that complain that Global Warming is shoved down our throats after 45 years of research proving man has made a negative impact it’s the solutions that matter. If this administration had not been making a mockery of the situation on a world wide basis Live Earth would perhaps not be necessary. The primary focus was on solutions.http://www.liveearth.org/news.php============Anyone who does anything towards the Global Warming problem makes a positive contribution!
Things like car pooling, using mass transit,walking and biking must be promoted in order for so many to understand that little things like this can make a huge difference when millions upon millons participate.
Setting thermostats a bit different can also make a huge difference. Insulatiing homes and buildings can make a huge difference.
Driving cars that do 30- 60 mpg can make a huge difference on the situation.
Energy Star appliances and low energy bulbs make a huge difference.
All of the above can make a huge difference when millions upon millions participate.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/common-sense-on-climate-change-practical-solutions-to-global-warming.html
http://globalgreen.org/programs/climate/index.html?gclid=CIqUo6P-l40CFRf9IgodCXckzA
http://www.globalwarmingsolutions.org/?gclid=CPHs2r7-l40CFQGPWAodyHNm6A
http://beattheheat.nrdc.org/?gclid=CN797tj-l40CFQGPWAodyHNm6A
===========================Replacing a huge number of politicians can make a huge difference for they are as much of the problem as the polluters. The special interest financing is a huge threat not only to the environment but to our abilityto impact significant change.
http://www.fairvote.org/irv/?page=1
http://www.publicampaign.org/
Focus ON Solutions was the message and realize how alternative energy sources can also make a huge impact.
http://www.nesea.org/
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy
All in all it was a positive matter and thanks to all of those who made that way.
That was one heck of a day at those concerts yesterday… Around the world, voices rising in unity for human beings everywhere to clean up the environment… Anybody with half a brain can see the impact we have already made in cleaning up our environment… The Global Warming movement cannot do any worse than helping individuals clean up the environment where they live…
Everybody on both sides of the aisle, should check out this man’s web site…www.jimmarrs.com
P_Mom–
This is perfectly consistent with something that happened to us. My wife had a Sam’s card for her work.
After finding out all the horrible things that Mao-Mart does to its workers, she decided not to renew the card (there was a small fee involved).
Well, Mao-Mart went nuts. They completely IGNORED her repeated letters and kept sending bigger and bigger bills as a PENALTY for not paying “on time.”
Finally she had to demand to talk to a supervisor and threaten them with a lawsuit before they stopped harassing her.
Mao-Mart even threatened us with bill-collection!
For something we didn’t want and didn’t buy.
There is also a “no junk mail list” that people can get on, cuts way down on unwanted solicitaions.The phone company did this also for a while, allowed 3rd parties to charge small fees for services that were never solicted by the consumer, hoping that people wouldn’t notice the charge and pay it. When you multiply a $2 charge by millions, think of the money they were making! The consumer had to call the compny and cancel the service to get the charge off their bill, even though they never signed up for it in the first place.
I see in the local paper we got excoriated by out of staters. I guess we probably should quit leaving stabbed people laying around; bad for our already crappy reputation. But the story is an excellent example of Kansas conservative values. Only look out for Number 1 and the hell with everyone else.http://www.kansas.com/205/story/116831.html
strange way to look at it, but i guess that does sum it up pretty good XXX
As I sit here this morning watching the TV news shows as I do every Sunday when I am not working, I look at the TV and wonder about its future. It seems to me that things are going to radically different in the future.Sometime in 2009, TV as we know it will exist no more. There in Wichita, stations like KAKE 10 will turn off their transmitters on channel 10 for the last time and broadcast only a digital signal on channel 21. This means that you will have to buy a digital TV or a converter. If you own one of those little pocket TVs, you will have to toss them in the garbage. For now channel 21 will be free to you with an antenna BUT I wonder for how long. I do not think that in 5 years or so free TV will exist anymore except for maybe PBS. I believe that the digital transformation is part of a larger plan for ALL TV to be pay TV. This is why the FCC has moved to standardize the digital encryption of TV- where you will soon be able to insert a smart card in a TV set and get service from satellite, cable, fiber optics or a simple antenna. So the time may come soon that, if you want to watch KAKE, you might have to pay. You might have to pay $1 or $2 a month for it. And even then, if they are showing a premium event like the Superbowl, you might have to pay a premium to get that. I don’t like this. I have always considered free TV as part of our country. But then as I watch, I realize that I am the reason why it is going the way of the typewriter. The fact is that I, and millions of others, own a DVR which enables me to skip commercials. In fact, I am skipping them right now as I write this. I am sure millions of others do too. Well, none of us can ever have our cake and eat it too forever. Advertisers are the reason why have free TV. For 60 years, it has been an unsigned deal. We get to watch for free and, in return, we see your ads and buy your products at the store. Until the VCR and later the DVR came along, it worked pretty well. So now, the question is not IF but WHEN and HOW MUCH we will have to pay. If KAKE and the other stations came to you and said you have to now pay for our signal, how much would you be willing to fork over every month per station? $1? $5?
Kev, are you suggesting they will totally GUT cable systems??
Finally some traction.
From The New York Times.
“Sensing a Shift, Reid Will Press for an Iraq Exit”
“WASHINGTON, July 7 — Democratic voters are not the only ones bitter over their party’s failure to use new Congressional power to force a withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Senator Harry Reid, the occasionally obstreperous Democratic leader, is upset as well.
“We haven’t done enough,” said Mr. Reid, a onetime moderate who has evolved into one of the party’s most fervent critics of the war.
That view captures not only Mr. Reid’s sentiment but also the shifting political dynamic on the war, as public frustration remains high, the conflict dominates the presidential campaign landscape and senior Republicans have chosen to break with President Bush even as the administration has urged patience.
Sensing momentum from the new Republican defections, Mr. Reid and other leading Democrats intend to force a series of votes over the next two weeks on proposals to withdraw troops and limit spending. Democrats are increasingly confident they can assemble majority opposition to administration policies.
“It is going to be harder for Republicans to not sign on to something with bite in it, a clear Congressional assessment that change is needed,” said Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who is chairman of the Armed Services Committee. “I think it is more likely there will be a majority around here that say we should begin to redeploy some forces by a certain date, and I hope it would be a larger majority.”
The coming debate will provide a showcase for senators from both parties to debate Iraq war strategy. The four Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate are expected to push their own antiwar proposals and views, and contrast their stances with those of Republicans, notably Senator John McCain of Arizona, who has been among the strongest supporters of the war.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/washington/08reid.html?_r=1&th=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&emc=th&adxnnlx=1183906861-nyuOeCbn5OtPlWP5nZrHxQ
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Posted by: happy | July 08, 2007 at 06:47 AM
DONE
So, if you go into Wichita City Hall with a TV or Eagle news camera you get stopped at the front door and asked where you are going. Then the cop calls ahead to confirm your vist.Van Williams, the city spokesman, says it’s not a new policy, but it’s just now being enforced for the first time.Ok.So why is it you are only stopped when it is a news media camera?What if there is no ‘vist’ to confirm? You know, like a suprise; or your friendly media guy stopping by just to say “hi”?Why does the city need a spokesman? Fire him, save a few bucks, let the mayor talk, let the city manager talk. Isn’t Williams just a spokesman for the city manager?If this policy is just now being enforced for the first time, isn’t that kind of like a ‘new’ policy?Hey, that phone call the cop makes while he has the media camera stopped, isn’t that really a warning call? Then the city official can slip out the backdoor, or think up a really good lie, or call in Williams, the spokesman guy, to do the talking.
Hey XXX,
I think you might have a pretty twisted view of “conservative values”. Whenever I want a good example of conservative values that isn’t the section of town I buy my gas.
I would submit to you that it’s more of a culture problem.
Hank
Dolores — I couldnt see anything on Happy’s post… It wanted money to join to watch the video… Did you have that problem??
Hank — WHY should it matter what SECTION of town it’s in??? Is that sort of like making some kind of racial/cultural statement??
News item in today’s sports section (will try to link later): the MVC is looking at cities other than St Louis for their basketball tourney. Notably absent from the list- the Old Town Arena in Wichita.
Oh well … so much for basketball.
“Kev, are you suggesting they will totally GUT cable systems??”
No. They will be over the air but they will scramble their signals and you will have to pay to get them someday.
Why yes, Chas, I am making sort of a racial/cultural statement.
Since all I know of the incident is what I’ve learned from the news, I don’t really know much of the details of the actual incident. I do know what section of town it happened in. I wouldn’t be there buying gas at night!
Now, that being said, anyone that won’t admit to having the same thoughts I’ve expressed here is just either stupid or a hypocrit.
It wouldn’t happen in the quick shop in Goddard.
Hank
Oops. Nathan has been using Mom’s laptop again.
Hank
Because the values held by quite a few in that section of town are in common Chas. Known gangs and same race crimes. It’s not a stretch Chas, it happens to be the truth and the truth does sting a bit sometimes.
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TV and Radio stations and their use of bandwidth/waves is still controlled by the Government. Channel 10 nor will anyone else be allowed to “muscle” in a new market without the approval of teh Government.
People that have cable TV now are really just getting satellite TV anyway – the satellite that cable companies use is just bigger. They do or used to get “some” direct feeds though.
I would imagine that the Cable TV companies will have enough muscle to negotiate with local stations like Channel 10 and put them in some sort of local package.
I see no reason to panic.
I believe it was in Goddard where a Jr. High student shot and killed his principal not so long ago, Hank…
That being said, Yes, I am aware that urban centers have a different kind of social problems than semi-rural areas like Goddard… But, that’s not to say that tragedies dont occur in smaller towns as well…
The Goddard shooting was more than 20 years ago
An ex-Republican explains why he became in Independent.
THE WAY IT IS: Typewriters hurled over Scooter Libby fiasco
By Steve ThomasSaturday, July 7, 2007 12:24 AM CDT
A little background here might help… I grew up in a fairly political family. My father was a solid Democrat. In what can only be seen as an odd way of rebelling, I became a Republican.
I put up yard signs for Kit Bond in 1972 and was happy when Richard Nixon was re-elected. People weren’t getting drafted anymore and in my kid-world, things were pretty good. As time went on, I found myself more in line with moderate Republicans who effectively managed the Cold War and tried to keep government out of my life. I thought Ford, Reagan, Bush #1 were all good presidents. I thought Jimmy Carter was a well-meaning screw up, though he’s become a first-rate ex-president. I thought Clinton was okay because for the most part, he was a moderate. It’s worth noting that Clinton started getting things done when Republicans took over Congress and he had someone to fight with and bargain with instead of trying to manage Congressional Democrats, a task that compares unfavorably with roping cats.I thought George W. Bush started off well enough. He responded to 9/11 with the right amount of diplomacy and force. I never thought much of his tax cuts – I’m not rich – and I found his constant harping on family values and morals to be distasteful. (It made me think of the Sermon on the Mount: “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.” But who I am to quote the Bible without sounding like W?).
I supported the Iraq War in the beginning, but as its mismanagement grew, so did my disillusionment. Yet I remained a Republican.
Then the rains came. When the New Orleans levees gave way, so did my belief in the Republican Party. This was an American city, pulverized by nature – though with plenty of notice, unlike an earthquake – and although the local and state authorities (which were Democrats) reacted with monumental ineptitude, I had confidence that a Republican administration would get the situation under control and lead a swift rebuilding.
That hasn’t happened. Instead, a great American city has been left to pull itself out of the mess while thousands of American citizens haven’t been able get decent housing or assistance from the federal government, which is firmly in the hands of the Republicans. Maybe the Republicans were grossly incompetent or simply indifferent because most of the hardest-hit victims were poor or non-white or both. No matter what, a Republican administration showed itself to be either monumentally inept or cruelly, methodically callous.
Either way, I didn’t want anything more to do with the Republicans. So I declared myself an Independent and have been so since. It was hard for me to walk away from a party that had been my political home since my youth.
Now Bush has commuted the jail sentence of former aide Scooter Libby. After being convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge to 30 months for obstruction of justice, Bush pulled the plug on incarceration after a higher court ruled that Scooter had to start doing time while his appeals progressed through the system. Bush exercised his Constitutional authority and kept Scooter out of jail, saying the sentence was excessive.
This made me think about what Hunter S. Thompson wrote after Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974:
“Well… this is going to be difficult. That sold-out knucklehead refugee from a 1969 ‘Mister Clean’ TV commercial has just done what only the most cynical and paranoid kind of malcontent ever connected with national politics would have dared to predict…
“If I followed my better instincts right now, I would put this typewriter in the Volvo and drive to the home of the nearest politician — any politician — and hurl the g****** machine through his front window … flush the bugger out with an act of lunatic violence then soak him down with mace and run him naked down Main Street in Aspen with a bell around his neck and black lumps all over his body from the jolts of a high powered “Ball Buster” cattle prod.
“But old age has either mellowed me or broken my spirit to the point where I will probably not do that — at least not today, because that blundering dupe in the White House has just plunged me into a deep and vicious hole.”
After Bush scrubbed a stay in the gray bar hotel for Scooter Libby, I sat in my study for a long time, drink in hand, and eyed my 1970s IBM Selectric typewriter with dark intentions. Would I have to do jail time for chucking an old machine through a politician’s window in an act of angry protest while Libby roamed free? Once charged, I would be obliged to find an attorney who would defend me on the grounds of justifiable outrage and a strike for common sense. In the end, though, I would just have a lamentable conviction on my record and have to pay for the living room window of someone who might be just as fed up as I.
Libby should have gone to jail, period. He was found guilty, sentenced by a judge and his bid to put off his jail time during appeals was rejected by a panel of judges. I think the man who prosecuted the Libby case, Patrick Fitzgerald, put it well in his statement after the commutation:
“We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.
“We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as ‘excessive.’ The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.
“Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.”
At least one sentence of that statement is worth repeating: “It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals.”
It reminds me of another quote, but this one from a fictional character, attorney Atticus Finch in Harper Lee’s classic, “To Kill A Mockingbird:”
“Now gentlemen, in this country our courts are the great levelers, and in our courts all men are created equal. I’m no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and of our jury system. That’s no ideal to me. That is a living, working reality.”
The president’s action in the Libby case has made this living, working reality into a debased, sad fantasy. Unless all men are equal before the bar of justice, no man is equal before the bar of justice. The commutation of Libby’s sentence undermines the faith of the American people in the system of justice, underscoring a growing perception that this nation is increasingly unequal, that there is not one American dream but instead many American nightmares, that we are no longer a nation where competition and compassion can coexist in a unique if sometimes uncomfortable fashion.
Instead we are faced with some ugly questions and answers:
-Among the American military, who is dying in Iraq and Afghanistan? For the most part, people who found their best economic opportunities in the armed services, though love of country has always outweighed dollar signs among soldiers I have known.
-Who has been left to sink into despair in the wake of Hurricane Katrina? The poor, who had little to lose, but lost it all anyway.
-Whose jobs are disappearing overseas as the result of trade policies? The working poor and the lower middle class who are finding fewer and fewer opportunities for work.
-Who is having the hardest time finding health care coverage? The people who can least afford it.
-Who is most likely to go to jail? Anyone who isn’t Scooter Libby, a guy with a lot of dirty secrets about the man who had the power to commute his sentence and who, with a stroke of a pen, did just that.
America has never been a perfect, fair, country motivated only by unconditional love. It has never been a paradise or without its great flaws. However, no matter how big the flaws, there have always been even greater strengths to light the way into the future.
Now, George Bush and his cronies are showing America in the worst possible light. They are illuminating the chasm between the weak and the powerful, the rich and the poor, the connected and the disconnected. They are doing all they can to find a death row cell for the American Dream and when crunch time comes, giving none of us hope for a commutation of that sentence.
I guess it’s no surprise. This administration has found comfort in secret courts, domestic spying, defying Congressional subpoenas, smudging the protective line between church and state, developing policies behind closed doors, ignoring corruption and treating compromise with contempt. When it comes to the big things, they have learned all the wrong lessons from the past. When it comes to getting away with things, they have learned how to succeed on a grand scale.
It’s unlikely this Congress will ever impeach George Bush because his people – some of who were close at hand during Watergate – didn’t make any Watergate-like tactical errors: no tapes, no smoking gun, no hard evidence of deliberate wrongdoing. That doesn’t make them any less guilty of what Theodore H. White described as the underlying deed that undid Nixon:
“The true crime of Richard Nixon was simple: he destroyed the myth that binds America together, and for this he was driven from power.
“The myth he broke was critical – that somewhere in American life there is at least one man who stands for the law, the President . . . That faith holds that all men are equal before the law and protected by it; and that no matter how the faith may be betrayed elsewhere, at one particular point – the Presidency – justice will done beyond prejudice, beyond rancor, beyond the possibility of a fix.”
Cops will continue to do their duty, prosecutors will continue to do theirs and judges will do likewise, but guilty men everywhere will find comfort in knowing that the justice system can be treated like a whore, if you have enough money or clout or both. Mob bosses will admire Bush’s loyalty to a closed-mouth soldier and petty criminals may well want to do better than small crime because they’ll realize that big crime pays big dividends.
Pass a bad check and go to jail. Attempt to subvert the justice system and never see the inside of a cell. Thanks a lot, George Bush.
Yet a small part of me won’t give up on our country. I think it can be brought into a better future with a healthy application of more democracy via the ballot box. I don’t know who will get my vote in the future, but I won’t surrender to the anger and cynicism that grip me right now.
Having said that, I will confess that I plan on cleaning my old Selectric. I want to rid it of the dust and grime acquired by sitting unused on a shelf. That way I can be prepared for whatever else may come because I cannot, in good conscience, hurl a dirty typewriter.
http://www.lakeexpo.com/articles/2007/07/07/lake_news/02.txt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/07/AR2007070700719.html“The concerts will be followed by a global advertising campaign, with a particular focus on the United States.
“The planet doesn’t have a PR agent,” [Gore] said. “But now it will, because the Alliance for Climate Protection is going to use the modern techniques of messaging to get the scientific evidence in front of people all over the world.” ”
See their very interesting first video ad,
‘Black balloons: making CO2 real’http://www.climateprotect.org/ah12
The hyperventilating Republicans who flee to the Independent party can be identified as those who put more weight emotionally on issues than using logic. Sean Hannity, the Radio Talk Show Host has fled to the Independent Party.
How anyone can listen to the shrillness of Hannity, I have no idea. The guy is a train wreck of emotional squirming worms.
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Aren’t those black balloons derived from petroleum based plastics cosmos? How many trees will one have to plant per balloon to get a carbon offset? :D
They need some green balloons to attach to cows and other livestock to see the effects of methane, a more potent greenhouse gas and it smells bad too!
Last update – 19:44 08/07/2007″British workers’ union calls for boycott on Israel”"By Haim Bior, Haaretz Correspondent”"Britain’s Transport and General Workers’ Union on Sunday called upon its 800,000 members to boycott Israeli-made products based on what they term Israel’s “criminal policies in Palestinian territories.”
The decision to call for a boycott, reached at a union conference in Brighton, is declarative and does not include concrete steps to implement the boycott.
The TGWU is the second British union to call for a boycott on Israel this year ? last month the British public services union UNISON also urged its members to refrain from purchasing Israeli products, basing the call on Israel’s “criminal behavior in the territories,” and Israel’s responsibility for the Second Lebanon War.
In the last six months, Ontario, Canada’s public services union also proposed a similar anti-Israel boycott, as did several professional unions in South Africa. In addition, Britain’s University and College Union called upon its members earlier this year to consider an academic boycott of Israel, which would include holding funding from research projects run by Israeli professors and preventing Israeli lecturers from participating in seminars.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/879531.html
The narrator of the video,’Black balloons: making CO2 real’http://www.climateprotect.org/ah12
is Tommy Lee Jones, who was Al Gore’s roommate at Harvard.
Yep Chas,
And the conservative republicans stepped over the teacher’s body for several days.
Republicans are standing by, completely indifferent to the crimes that are being committed against our Constitution. Republicans have stepped over the corpse of habeas corpus, have stepped on Brown v. Board, have dismissed the findings of guilt by 12 jurors and three judges in the Libby case. Republicans have stood silent while the First Amendment is blotted out. Republicans have walked past the knifing in the back our military has gotten from politicians who are more interested in appearances than success on the battlefield. Republicans have declared their unconcern that the world’s most wanted terrorist runs free.
I could go on.
Yes, what happened in NE Wichita _IS_ emblematic of what’s happening in this country.
Capn, my husband was a victim of identity theft before I met him. This happened by someone he knew taking one of his cc applications that they send all the time out of the trash.
We tried REPEATEDLY to get them to stop sending those. And you know it wasn’t just one company. Finally threats made them stop. Why does it have to be so hard?
My grandparents are on the no-call list. But there are a lot of exceptions to that.
The world’s most wanted “terrorist” is sitting in the White House pulling his puppet’s strings.
Live Earth should be renamed: LAMIC (Look At Me I Care)
The earth has warmed and cooled over millions of years. We didn’t cause the last ice age, and we certainly aren’t causing this warming period.
I can appreciate the music, and I can agree that a clean environment is preferred over a dirty one. However, those that perpetuate this myth that we are “causing” global warming are also, conveniently, those that stand to profit from the accompanying programs.
It’s a hoax, folks.
Tom,
Are you hiding your basement like WS Clark, hoping that the government doesn’t come drag you way to their secret prisons?
Nathan,
Please explain your reason for attacking me personally for expressing my views, rather than offering some substantive rebuttal.
Thanks.
Tom,
If “your views” are labeling Republicans with:
“…stepped over the corpse of habeas corpus.”
“…have stepped on Brown v. Board”
“…have stood silent while the First Amendment is blotted out.”
“…walked past the knifing in the back our military has gotten from politicians who are more interested in appearances than success on the battlefield.”
“…have declared their unconcern that the world’s most wanted terrorist runs free.”
then I am confused as to how I am the one personally attacking you when I ASKED if you were hiding in your basement.
When your post actually has something “substantive” in it, I will reply in kind.
“we certainly aren’t causing this warming period.”
And where dod you get YOUR science degrees golfnut?
I thought Tom’s post was awesome. Highly accurate. Does the truth hurt Nathan? Even a little bit?
Of course you do Politcal Mom!
Are you hiding in your basement too?
Tom
Nathan’s reply is funny.
Sean Hannity, the Radio Talk Show Host has fled to the Independent Party.Posted by: Republican | July 08, 2007 at 12:04 PM
HUH?!?!?!?Did I miss something? San Hannity Independent?
Political_mom, I have the feeling Nathan would be more than happy if our country fell even more into the immoral depths of fascism. He’ll be the good goosestepping soldier keeping all of the social “undesirables” in line and happily pick up his meager paycheck and soma at the end of the week.
Nathan,
First of all, your “ask” was sarcasm meant as personal attack. Don’t play games of sophistry with me – you’ll never succeed in anything but lessening any small amount of respect I might have for your conversational skills.
AG Gonzales told the Senate that there is no grant of habeas in the Constitution. Read the Constitution. He is demonstrably wrong. AG Gonzales is a Republican.
Five members of the US Supreme Court voted to overturn part of the landmark Brown v. Board ruling. All five are members of the Republican Party.
A majority of Congress voted to enact provisions of the so-called “USA PATRIOT Act” that allowed government access to my library records, that allowed government access to my internet records, that allowed access to my cell phone records, all without a warrant. Those provisions were ruled to be “unconstitutional prior restraint” on First Amendment rights. That majority of Congress? Republicans.
Donald Rumsfeld, your former Secretary of Defense, push this nation’s military into a war for which it was unprepared. He ignored the advice of a multitude of experienced generals, both active duty and retired, and sent you and your fellow Marines and soldiers into an urban insurgency with _no_ plan, _no_ strategy, and _no_idea_what_he_was_doing. All to “prove his point” that a smaller, lighter force than our own doctrine called for could “do the job.” Rumsfeld is undoubtedly a Republican.
Your CINC, George W. Bush, has publicly stated that he’s not concerned with finding Osama bin Laden. Your CINC is most definitely a Republican.
Sean Hannity is like Rush. They both put the CON in Neocon.
Unfortunately Doug, I see that as clearly as you do.
Hannity Independant. I LOVE IT!
I hope he does to the GOP what Nader did to Gore. I know a few Rush O’Hannity followers. Like parkay they call Romney a non-Christian cultist. I love the idea of them all destroying each other.
Doug,
That is the America Hitlery wants. Not I.
Tom,
Simply because the AG misspoke is not proof of Republicans stepping over habeas corpus.
This doesn’t stop you from both mischaracterizing the AG and making a blanket statement about all Republicans.
The Supreme Court is apparently only supposed to be the interpreting body of the law of the land when you liberals agree with it.
The Supreme court ruled about one aspect of things which makes sense.
You don’t stop discrimination by allowing more of it.
You end discriminiation based on race, by ending it.
I guess you disagree?
I suggest you try reading the Patriot Act instead of the ACLU hysteria.
It doesn’t allow the government to do any of those things to you… UNLESS… you are a terrorist?
So, I ask you again Tom, are you hiding in your basement?
Are you plotting terrorist attacks against our country?
Why are you so afraid?
Your comments about the military are absurd.
The military is ready for war. The military has been training for war. Our military destroyed the Iraqi one in less than a month.
Our military has historically been geared to fight open warfare against another enemy army. We did not have the armor or equipment for our military to be fully or better protected from this kind of warfare.
We adapted and are doing so now.
The statement is true though:
You go to war with what you have.
If you honestly think that the Pentagon had no plan and no strategy then you are a fool.
I have never been a part of any operation where there is not so much planning and preperation it almost drives you crazy.
The Pentagon is staffed by thousands of military men and women who do nothing but plan and make strategy.
To actually think we didn’t have a plan or strategy is just plain crazy.
Once again, Bush has never said that he is: “he’s not concerned with finding Osama bin Laden”
You have to completely mischaracterize his comments to believe that.
We have detroyed most of the known Al Qaeda leadership and they are no longer openly training.
A fact you liberals love to overlook.
So, yeah Tom, I call your comments for exactly what they are:
The typical liberal talking points with little or no substance.
If this is what you call intelligent thought from the left, then you have a way to go.
Bull Nathan, you know that these things were instilled into our government FOR A REASON, they didn’t just up and think, hey, someday our government leaders may try to spy on our own people! And the pentagon came out and SAID they had been using the wiretapping illegally.
For god’s sake pull your head out of your ass man.
KSGolfnut,
“We didn’t cause the last ice age, and we certainly aren’t causing this warming period.”
So if “nature” does something, then humans can’t?
Because particles from a volcano erupting caused climate changes, humans having a large-scale nuclear war would have zero impact on climate?
Because wind causes waves on water, the water on a pond just behind a large jet taking off would remain glassy smooth?
Without the greenhouse effect, Earth would be about 80 degs. F. COLDER.
Explain WHY human-added GHG’s would have no impact on Earths climate.
Do they wear neon-yellow vests, and wave the outgoing infrared radiation on by, like a traffic cop?
I wasn’t aware that Tom was on the watch list as a foreign terrorist to be so much in fear of the loss of his “habeas corpus.”
Did you lose your citizenship Tom or are you just waving your arms about in a high pitched scream hoping to attract attention?
But who decides that you are a “terrorist? And by what criteria? And by whom?
Without checks and balances in that system, that system automatically becomes dictatorial, thus destroying due process.
“Without the greenhouse effect, Earth would be about 80 degs. F. COLDER.”
Part of cosmos tactics to scare everyone.
The Greenhouse effect covers Natural and Man-made causes, not just man-made.
cosmos refuses to acknowledge that his fancy climate modelers are merely toys in the real world of climate effect. They can’t even put in three fourths of the effects into these models that control climate.
But they make climate models anyway, hoping the “dice” will roll their way.
Science by roulette wheel, interesting.
Nathan,
The AG didn’t “misspeak,” he insisted for nearly an hour that his view of the Constitution was correct. Even _REPUBLICANS_ on the Senate Judiciary Committee chided him for his attempt to erase one of our most cherished and necessary rights.
You have little understanding of Brown v. Board, and of discrimination, if you think last month’s ruling was a wise one. Brown passed 9-0. Parents v Seattle was decided 5-4, and expressly overturned parts of Brown that the earlier court decided UNANIMOUSLY.
Regarding the USA PATRIOT Act – Two years ago, Congress had to _change_ the law as a result of the ruling against them. This isn’t ACLU “hysteria,” it’s facts based on decisions reached in open court. And have _you_ tried to read the USA PATRIOT Act? Most of it is amendments to current statute, and to track it all down has taken an army of attorneys and legal scholars. Let me know when you’ve read it, and when you’ve read all the statutes that were modified by its provisions.
As to the planning for the war: Read what I posted upthread, very carefully: “an urban insurgency with _no_ plan, _no_ strategy.” The so-called “conventional” part of the war went as planned, as far as war plans are able to go. But the insurgency? Rumsfeld was WARNED, REPEATEDLY, that he wasn’t committing enough forces to fight it. He ignored the warnings. He ignored the advice of the experts. He refused to consider planning for an urban insurgency. He did this FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
Now, again I ask: Why are you launching personal attacks against me? Why do you feel that it’s okay to characterize me as “afraid” or “hiding in my basement” or insinuate that I’m a “terrorist?”
Let’s see if you can post a response to me that does _NOT_ involve some sort of smear. If you can, I’ll respond. Otherwise, Nathan, you’re going into the same abyss as the troll.
TOM — Ummm that doesnt look like Nathan’s normal Nic posting… Something strange here??
Tom,
When you start of your post by labeling all republicans a certain way then you are the one who started the smearing.
Now you act indignant that I would call you a fool or go after you?
Are you really that dense?
Once again, you look at very isolated quotes from Bush. He has done more than anyone else to locate Bin Laden. We still are looking for him.
It is obvious that we are trying to get Bin Laden.
Yet, all you can do, is take a few quotes and try to use them to assert a stance about Bush which is obviously not true.
It is called being disingenuous.
Do you really think Bush doesn’t care about Bin Laden?
Or are you just using this as a way to bash a President you disagree with?
Think about that for awhile.
Are there generals who have different opinions? Yes.
There were plenty of generals who were involved in the planning in the attack on Iraq. Many of them agreed upon the strategy and felt it would work.
Simply saying there were those who disagreed doesn’t imply that Donald Rumsfield didn’t care or ignored them like you claim.
In war, things go wrong, things do not go as well as expected. You adapt and overcome.
Again, do you really think Rumfield just did this for political reasons?
Or is this just your way of making this political to attack an administration you disagree with?
It seems to me you are more interested in attacking an administration you disagree with any way you can.
So, go hide in your basement and don’t go to the library because Bush is out to get you!
Crap, that post was mine….
Crap, that post was mine….
Chas,
I never did get back to you on some of the things you were saying.
Where do you get that I am part of the Baha’i faith?
The reason why some of my posts are linked is because I am out at the parents house and when they are not I am at my house.
My dad is a goofball, that is why he has that link…
Republican,
“cosmos refuses to acknowledge that his fancy climate modelers are merely toys in the real world of climate effect.”
Republican LIES about me again. I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.
Repost,——Ooops! Their predictions re Arctic ice were wrong!
‘Arctic Ice Retreating More Quickly Than Computer Models Project’http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/seaice.shtml
Ooops! They were wrong about ice sheets, and now don’t know what to predict!
‘Ice Sheets and Sea Level Rise: Model Failure is the Key Issue’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/06/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise-model-failure-is-the-key-issue/
Ooops! Happening earlier than scientists expected!
‘Southern Ocean already losing ability to absorb CO2′http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11876-southern-ocean-already-losing-ability-to-absorb-cosub2sub.html “Corinne Le Quéré at the University of East Anglia in the UK, and colleagues say their study suggests that climate feedback loops – whereby more CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming which in turn releases even more CO2 from the oceans – are happening between 20 and 40 years before they were expected.”
Ooops! They didn’t know about the positive feedback from less phytoplankton, until late last year!’NASA Research Reveals Climate Warming Reduces Ocean Food Supply’http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/dec/HQ_06364_Ocean_Food_Chain.html—–And I’ve posted that the huge UNCERTAINTY re future climate is the main problem.
If we knew EXACTLY how much it’d warm, how much the sea level would rise, we could plan for it.
Nathan, Click on your Blue underlined Nic post
I know what it is… Some Baha’i Computer thing.
Like I said, my dad is a goof ball.
Perhaps this puts your heart at ease now?
That is NOT a computer deal… It is the World wide home site of the B’hai world Faith… I am not kidding you… Your Dad has the same one on his Nic
“Republican LIES about me again. I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Why yes, yes they are. :)
And I’ve posted that the huge UNCERTAINTY re future climate is the main problem.
If we knew EXACTLY how much it’d warm, how much the sea level would rise, we could plan for it.
Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Yes, yes you could post it, but you can’t because you are playing the roulette wheel of science now with about half the facts. :)
But we must act now before it is too late!
DOOMSDAY IS COMING!
At least that is what Al Gore told me.
Khan, are you actually going to sit there at your golden keyboard, and argue global warming with 2 Billion people in this world???
Why am I not surprised??
GORE said NO such thing!!!
Goldberg says it best (Paraphrase) in his latest book:
Liberals will call something like the war on terror The “so called” war on terror while claiming Global Warming doomsday by man a fact which can’t be argued with.
Goldberg says it best (Paraphrase) in his latest book:
Liberals will call something like the war on terror The “so called” war on terror while claiming Global Warming doomsday by man a fact which can’t be argued with.
Chas,
Those are indeed Nathan’s postings. He’s the only poster on this blog who can approach the troll in his ability to convert any rational discussion into a platform for personal attacks. “Disingenuous” (another word for ‘liar’), “terrorist” and insinuations of cowardice are his only answers to the facts of this administration’s incompetence.
I’ve asked him repeatedly to explain or drop the personal attacks from the conversation, and instead, he _increases_ them. In his last long post, 7 of his 19 sentences is one kind of attack on my for having my views, rather than a refutation of the facts and my analysis of them.
Yep, that’s Nathan posting.
OK… WELL, I just had a thought about the Nic no looking quite right, if you get my drift…
Nathan, I have never said Global Warming is totally man made, and neither has anybody else on this Blog… But, by George, WE contribute to it, and we could help matters by taking steps in conservation… Now, there’s a thought… Conservatives being AGAINST being conservative… Hmmmm… Sounds terribly bi-polar to me!!! LOL
I must have overstepped when I said Al Gore said doomsday was coming.
These were the more precise terms:
Climate crisis… full scale planetary emergency…etc…
Depending on where you live, there ARE places of climate emergency… smog, drought, floods, manufacturing run amok… All kinds of places with climate emergencies… It is just so damned funny that Conservatives are AGAINST Conservation!!!
And, uhhhh, I believe it is the Christian and Moslem fundamentalists who insist Doomsday is coming!!! How’s that for a strange match up??
Tom,
When I say you are being disingenuous, it is not a personal attack, it is the truth about what you are posting.
When I say you are a fool, it is because I honestly think only a fool could sit here saying that the Pentagon seriously didn’t do any planning.
Now if I were to simply call you stupid, or a jerk, or a @#$hole, a dumb@#$, or something else just to call you names, then you can start crying about personal attacks…
Chas,
He was using those terms when talking about Global Warming, not your local backyard problems.
Can anyone tell me what the official policy on Churches and their tax exempt status?
I KNOW it is blatantly a violation to endorse a political candidate in an election, but what about handing out ballots and telling people how to vote on other things.
The reason I’m asking is that today, in my quest to find a Church home here in Wichita, I wandered into “Grapevine” Christian Church and one of the 1st orders of business was thanking people for turning in the ballots the Church handled out the week before. I quote “and thank you to everyone who turned in your ballots with your no votes for gambleing in Wichita…”
I was offended! Give to Caesar what is Caesars, and give to the Lord what is the Lords! I do not feel it is right for any Church I go to to endorse, nor appose such causes. It’s great to preach about the downfalls of things in life, and what Jesus said about them, but to blatantly tell people how to vote, give them ballots. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
When I left, I threw down the program, and made a statement to someone as I left “I was looking for a Church, not a political action commitee.”
I just wanted to hear about Jesus! Instead I get that crap! What is wrong with these Churches, they just make people repulsed! I was a devout attendee of services until the last few years.
I’d be less comfortable walking into a satanic worship than what the Churches of today make me feel like.
I probably won’t go to the Casino if it is built. Their is no Vegas but the real thing. Even when I went to Vegas in the late 90’s, I speant maybe an hour gambleing the 3 days I was there! My budget was $50, and I doubled my money.
If somebody wants to gamble, that is their choice. Some will blow the rent on it, others will be responsible. Good normal people should not be told what to do by people claiming to be Holyer than thou!
“Christianity” has taken a giant leap backwards the last 7 years. It is mostly due to the Bush administation. It has become a very bad thing to be a Christian. I’M SAYING THAT AS IT REFLECTS MY OWN OPINION! CHRISTIANS ARE BAD PEOPLE!
It didn’t used to be that way. As a kid, I remember my Church holding candle light vigals for people awaiting execution. I remember LOVE! I remember them specifically NOT NOT NOT endorsing political agendas.
What is embarassing is all the political hires forced down the tax payers throats by “Christian organisations.” We lost a war, and thousands floated dead in sewage water after Katrina for what reason!! Unqualified people, mostly political jobs created as payback to the right wingers!
I’ve had more bad business dealings with people who claimed to be Christians than I have non believers. It’s as if they have some comfort in the fact that they know they will be forgiven, as then proceed to break one off in ya where the sun doesn’t shine! Or they think they are owed something because they know Jesus Christ!
Well, if the government can ask government hirees their stance on Roe v Wade, or the death penalty, then damn it, I can ask people if they are Chrisitian, and proceed to discriminate against them, because being a Chrisitian makes you a bad person now!
CHRISTIANS ARE BAD PEOPLE! It’s just gotten to that point, and I’m sorry, but the rest of society is really begenning to hate them. They deserve it!
I do believe in the Trinity, and adore every word Christ spoke. I also realise the Bible is about 15% of the story, others “choose” how much of it we needed to hear and assembled the books accordingly. I know their is information on the scrolls we are not privy to. I know that over the centuries, governments, royals, and Church scholars have warped and twisted things to benefit things other than what Christ wanted for His Church.
I also know that the Bible as we get to have it, the language of the Bible, and what to make of it is about the same as a 2 year old trying to understand astro physics.
It takes ALOT of faith, that’s why they call it faith, and it wouldn’t mean anything if making the jump was easy.
Is their any Church in Wichita that just talks about Jesus, and love, and compassion? I’ll go every Sunday if their is one!
I pray that one day believing in Christ won’t be a bad thing anymore! A day when one can say I’m a Christian and people won’t automatically think your a horses ass!
I am sorry, the Church was “Vineyard” not Grapevine.
Republican,
Tell us exactly how much GHG will be released from thawing permafrost, when, and the rates.
Tell us exactly how fast the Arctic ice cap will melt, since all of the scientists projections are too slow.
Tell us exactly when, and by how much, the oceans will slow in absorbing CO2.
List all of the unknown natural positive warming feedbacks that we do NOT know about yet.
If you can’t do all of the above, then it’s YOU who is “playing the roulette wheel” with humans on Earth.
Nathan,
You’re in EE aren’t you? I assume you understand ‘positive feedback’, like thermal runaway, acoustic feedback, etc.
The “climate crisis” is the problem that NATURAL positive feedbacks could amplify the warming humans have caused. It’s the “tipping point”.
If the natural positive feedbacks are strong enough, the warming trend could continue, even if human GHG emissions dropped sharply.
Well, Friend of Jesus, since there was not an official ballot in the City about Gambling, those ballots would have been “in house” balloting for the Church board, perhaps??? IF they had been for some kind of petition, or referendum, then it might be more questionable…. Their biggest goof in this case, is not informing visitors, such as yourself, as to what they had done the week before… Not a good way to attract possible new members….
You are right that they are not allowed to endorse candidates for elective office… I would have to check to see if that applies to other ballot items such as referendum, or signature petitions…
14 Reasons to Deport/Kill Illegal Aliens…
1.$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2.$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
3.$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
4.$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
5.$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
6.$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
8.$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ld...
9.$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/1...
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.” http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/de...
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States “. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Hey get rid of em’, We’ll be ahead after the 1st year!!!
and my reason to deport all illegal aliens is 48,000 Americans killed by illegals since bush took office, 14,600 women/children raped and molested/
http://www.americanskilledbyillegals.com/trai...
Nathan, the point is that my backyard problems, and yours, all contribute to the general climate crises that we already have… And for us to make small changes… when you multiply that by 2 Billion people around the world, YES, of course it makes a dent… But if another 2 Billion like you are arguing against it, like you KNOW you are right, and the WORLD is wrong…. Then that merely cancels out the 2 Billion that are doing whatever they can do to hold down the pollutants…
Nathan, the reason they call it GLOBAL warming is because it is just that… Maybe YOUR backyrd might not be affected at this point in time… But somebody else’s IS… I am sure you can grasp that idea….
I used to travel in the Chicago/Hammond/Gary and the Pittsburgh/Ohio Valley areas… back before they cleaned up those areas… The atmosphere was LETHAL for some people… the sme as with the smog in Los Angeles… Those areas have been cleaned up by what are called “green people” today… Then it was just the EPA… And if you think that the cleanup has NOT made any difference, then go tell that to the people who life in Pittsburgh, and LA, and Chicago…. And Cleveland… And Detroit…. THEY can tell you what a huge difference Environmental Cleanup has meant to their own lives…
Sarge, your point is well-taken… BUT… We have too many of our troops deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, to round up 48,000 illegals… or however many you said… Our local law enforcement personnel are not equipped for that big of a task…
“Republican,
Tell us exactly how much GHG will be released from thawing permafrost, when, and the rates.
Tell us exactly how fast the Arctic ice cap will melt, since all of the scientists projections are too slow.
Tell us exactly when, and by how much, the oceans will slow in absorbing CO2.
List all of the unknown natural positive warming feedbacks that we do NOT know about yet.
If you can’t do all of the above, then it’s YOU who is “playing the roulette wheel” with humans on Earth.”
Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 04:12 PM
cosmos, you still don’t get it. Knowing the rates of something won’t get you very far if you don’t have a clue how everything truly interacts with everything.
As far as I know, the “know everything” computer driven climate module has not been invented as yet.
Heck, we don’t even know what Dark Matter is, but it composes the majority of the Universe by volume.
How about the speed of light or gravity? We cannot fully explain these as well, as there have been new revelations troubling NASA scientists why their trajectories are often wrong using standard computer models. In regards to the speed of light and things that are relative, it may turn out that Einstein was even wrong!
No one can really explain cosmic or magnetic whorls and how they affect our planet in any understandable way.
Yet, for the IPCC to make predictions with only partial amounts of science in is beyond ridiculous. The GORACLE’s out there claiming it is a settled science when by their own admission know very well, it is a very unsettled science!
Yes, we should all be good stewards of the earth and get off the oil teat. Start looking for alternative forms of energy. This will come in time as science advances.
Taxing every industry and individual out of existence is not a direct correlation to fixing environmental problems!
At best it is a small window abatement process that does more to empty the wallets of peoples than it does addressing the problems of emissions or green house gases.
The biggest contributors of greenhouse gases is the earth itself and the IPCC scientists and the GORACLE’s want to charge a “guilty conscience” by the micro gram to abate a problem they don’t fully understand!
Bring in the rain maker and his magic dust now!
“If the natural positive feedbacks are strong enough, the warming trend could continue, even if human GHG emissions dropped sharply.”
Cosmo– You have, sadly, become a joke. Please re-consider just what you are all about. I think a complete re-evaluation of just what you are wanting to accomplish is in order. It seems you have hitched your wagon to a rather large loser.
Well,
Proactively addressing human caused global climate change would do a HELL of a lot more to address the “war on terror” than bush’s misadventure in Iraq has done. The sooner we develop new energies, the sooner we can tell the mideast what to do with it’s oil. Even more so than we ALREADY do, but in a different way.
BDP fleetie calling someone a loser? Sheesh he defines it.
I just LOVE the new comedy central show “lil bush”! If you haven’t seen it, you should check it out. TOO funny.
jr = loser, too.Defender of a loser = loser squared.
The opinion of a failed musician and the blogs proclaimed dumbest poster does little to disturb me. You may resume your normal activities , fap boy.
Republican,
“cosmos, you still don’t get it. Knowing the rates of something won’t get you very far if you don’t have a clue how everything truly interacts with everything.”
Republican does NOT get it.
NOT knowing the rates and strengths of known postive warming feedbacks, and the unknown + feedbacks, makes it impossible to accurately predict Earth’s future climate.
But so far, the models predictions, using natural AND anthropogenic forcings, match the observed temperatures.’Climate myths: We can’t trust computer models’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11649
But Republican is a troll, so he post LIES about the IPCC, climate models, me, and others.
I agree with you JR about “‘lil bush”. It is a laugh riot.
Don’t worry cos. The world turned a corner on the climate change issue yesterday I think.
What I don’t get is that the show portrays Jeb as the dumb one. Irony I guess they are shooting for. Heh heh “Jeb be ram!”
J R,
I hope the concerts helped increase awareness.
And I’m just having fun proving that Republican (who brags he = Kansas “values”) is a LIAR.
Great comments people (even you Republican, the guy who won’t go to Iraq to help buddy Bush out).
Gotta go…Big Love’s on (the show about Romney’s religion’s dark side’>)
“Republican LIES about me again. I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Why yes, yes they are. :)
Posted by: Republican | July 08, 2007 at 03:16 PM
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
Don’t get to post as much as I would like these days.
That will change. Soon.
And Republicankhan JM? I saw the other day where you posted that I had exposed my son to pornography??
That is of course a lie.
I also noted you trash talking on my pal X.
Now I don’t and won’t have the time that you have to post. but you may rest assured I am looking forward to further…discourse with you.
Do yourself a favor. Be clever. Be quiet.
“cosmos refuses to acknowledge that his fancy climate modelers are merely toys in the real world of climate effect.”
Posted by: Republican | July 08, 2007 at 01:49 PM
fleettwood,
I can’t live in your delusional, self-centered, fantasy world. And if I could, I wouldn’t.
‘Soil may spoil UK’s climate efforts’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn7964
But so far, the models predictions, using natural AND anthropogenic forcings, match the observed temperatures.’Climate myths: We can’t trust computer models’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11649
But so far, the models predictions, using natural AND anthropogenic forcings, match the observed temperatures.’Climate myths: We can’t trust computer models’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11649
“Ooops! Their predictions re Arctic ice were wrong!”
Posted by: cosmos | MAY 17, 2007 at 05:37 PMcontinues athttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_16.html#comment-69818898
Note Republican’s response, a few posts later.
I’ve posted before that the climate models are flawed.”Posted by: cosmos | July 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
J R,
Did you ever sell enough aluminum cans together to get that $9.95/month to pay for your own ISP?
I know it’s a lot of money, but I bet if you mowed one yard, you could have enough for 3 months service. :D
so would it really be that big a blow if we lost KAKE and the other local stations? KAKE is owned by a company in Georgia, and from what i can tell they’re pretty much running it into the ground.
so BFD if we can’t watch ‘em anymore.
Ahh… another anti-immigration rant, cut and pasted without attribution.. But this disturbed person adds his own touch: he adds a suggestion to murder.
This shows why the current hysterical and cynical marginalization of migrant workers is so dangerous. It feeds the fear and hatred of the weak minded.
It seems to me a simple solution to legally hire and transport needed workers should be an easy fix, if that was the goal.
Clearly the real goal is to whip upphony outrage in order to use it to garner support of the xenophobes to try and rescue the Republican Party’s destroyed credibility.
“Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Great reminder David B… Now if we can only figure out what to do with them when they get here…
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4950647.html?plckCurrentPage=5
jeatkinson wrote:artvandelay:
I respect your right to have an opinion, and I spent 20+ years of my life serving my country so that people could have the right to their own opinion even if I disagree with it.
Be pro-Bush if you like, but never forget that the man is a deserter from the Texas National Guard who only received an honorable discharge because of his father.
What is more, I personally saw the man do lines of drugs laid out on a bar on Richmond Drive in 1973 while I was home on leave.
In addition, to being a deserter, drunk, and a druggie, his number two man is a gutless, five deferrment individual who had too much important drinking to do to server his country during Vietnam.
And, last, but not least, the entire Bush team is a gutless group of wannabe tough guys who keep everything they have done hidden behind presidential secrecy, because they know they will all go to jail if anyone every finds out what has really been said and done behind their closed doors.
Cowards, liars, and con artists hide behind closed doors.
James E. Atkinson, US Navy (ret)
Get ready for the smears and accusations, Leave…
yea
he already tried
I just told him he needed to put his 400 lb butt in bed
Redneck Talent
These guys have the right stuff! :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKYGq4ZpArk&feature=active_sharing
Liberals:
They will quote one retired navy man as proof of Bush’s military service while denouncing an entire group of officers and enlisted mens accounts of Kerry’s service…
You gotta wonder about them.
What exactly are James E. Atkinson’s proof of Bush’s father being the only reason Bush got an Honorable Discharge?
What do we know about him and how he knows all these things?
Nathan, it appears that your anwer is here:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4950647.html?plckCurrentPage=5
Kerry lost, Nathan… Bush never even acknowledged the “swift boat veterans” claims… As I recall, he totally ignored their entire smear attempt on Kerry…
Poor “Nathan,”
Given the choice of facing reality or trying to prove the impossible, he doubles down and works on the “proof.”
Funny, but that doesnt look like Nathan’s Nic… hmmmm
Bush’s Honorable Discharge? Anybody have proof of that one?
“14 Reasons to Deport/Kill Illegal Aliens…
Posted by: sgt. slaughter | July 08, 2007 at 04:42 PM”
LISTEN UP, EAGLE!
You’ve got to take responsibility for this RACIST, HATE SPEECH.
Freedom of speech does not extend to threatening violence against minorities, and you damn well know it.
If you don’t have the resources to monitor and pull ILLEGAL posts, then shut the whole blog down.
This is for you, Eagle.
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You may be hearing from some civil rights groups in the near future . . . better lawyer up.
GOOOO CapN!!! Sgt. seems to think there is no consequence for his verbage…