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- By Phillip Brownlee
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China is facing a global crisis of consumer confidence as the country’s food safety watchdog acknowledged this week that almost a fifth of the domestic products it inspects fail to reach minimum standards. Following a number of contamination scandals in the US, the world’s biggest exporter is struggling to prove that it can match quality with quantity.http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2118920,00.html
I guess that’s one way to be the low-cost leader.
Bush doesn’t care that Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers and sentenced by an experienced federal judge, and he doesn’t care that Libby’s sentence was well within the sentencing guidelines set by Congress. He once again ignored over 70% of the American public and disregarded the legal process — this time to help someone who has friends in the right places.
“I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own.”
– George W. Bush in his “autobiography”A Charge to Keep
Top Ten Reasons to Impeach President Bush
10. Prevent pilfering of office supplies during last day in office9. Give Rush Limbaugh a heart attack.8. Give the Iraqi people an early celebration.7. Expose Cheney as the real power behind the throne.6. Screw up Karl Rove’s job search.5. Wipe that silly smirk off his face.4. Put a damper on fund raising for the Bush presidential library.3. To stop all the whining.2. Chip away at American Idol ratings1. TO STOP THE MADNESS!
KANSAS.COM will not be BULLIED into STOPPING bullying….ever!
Cute new intern.I hope the cyberbullies don’t insult her like the last couple of them were.
See ya’ later dudes and doo-da’s.
We need to do something and quick about the food imports. It would be too darn easy for a terrorist to sneak in and taint our own food supply, but it’d be even easier for them to go to a foreign country to do it.
Just think how many Americans were around fireworks this week…and how easy it’d be to put in a biological weapon. Why doesn’t America have any of their own fireworks companies? China makes a killing off of us while we celebrate our independence..isn’t that contradictory?
It’s like our government is just begging for something big to happen.
Anyone? Anyone?
Another PerspectiveBush AmazesBy Ben SteinPublished 7/5/2007 12:08:41 AM
This George Bush fellow has major league cojones. It really amazes me.
Start with the obvious:
The case against “Scooter” Libby was a total fraud. Completely bogus. The publicity-mad demoness Valerie Plame was not a covert overseas agent at the time the whole megillah about her erupted. So there was no, none, nada, law breaking by reporting that she was a CIA employee.
Second, there was no reason for the special prosecutor, the full on publicity hound Mr. Fitzgerald, to have even gone on with the investigation for a week or even a day. He knew in the first 24 hours who had told Bob Novak that Ms. Wilson was the one who sent her husband, the Democrat operative, de facto if not de jure, Joe Wilson, to search for facts about uranium in a little known African nation called Niger. And Mr. Fitzgerald knew it was not Karl Rove or Scooter Libby. Why then did he continue the investigation and torment the many totally innocent people he tortured? Why did he drive honest civil servants to despair and impoverishment when he basically had no mission?
(And isn’t he a lot like a certain prosecutor in North Carolina who pilloried totally innocent Duke University La Crosse players in a totally trumped up, absolutely bogus case when there was no solid evidence against them at all? Is it not frightening what an out of control prosecutor can do in a free country? The wicked man in North Carolina faces prosecution and has already had other sanctions. Is this being considered for Mr. Fitzgerald?)
Third, while prosecutors can do almost anything they damned well please, it is not considered de rigueur to prosecute for perjury in an investigation in which there is no underlying crime. But that’s precisely what happened in the Libby case. Mr. Fitzgerald prosecuted for perjury even though there was no crime he was investigating. It was just a mammoth unnecessary, phony fishing expedition to snare Bush operatives that caught Libby. He had been asked countless questions and finally got a few wrong and so the prosecutor sprung.
The judge should have just tossed out the case on the first day of the trial. There simply was nothing there but prosecutorial overreach. But the trial went on. A Washington, D.C. jury — a pool of men and women who were confused, to put it charitably — found for the prosecution and then the real evil began.
At the trial, the prosecutor had conceded that there was no underlying crime and that Libby had not “outed” anyone. But then in the sentencing phase the prosecutor completely falsified himself and claimed Libby had done serious national security damage — by naming an employee of the CIA who was not covert and not overseas, contrary to his statements at trial.
The judge, who must have been a real whiz in law school (yes, I know he was appointed by Bush), sentenced Libby, a first offender who will never be in court again, to two and a half years in prison. It was insane.
Now, enter George W Bush. Desperately wounded by the Iraq War, basically friendless in Washington, D.C., he was not expected to risk one iota of his dwindling political piggy bank to rescue Scooter — who had, of course, been chief of staff for Bush’s Vice President, the cordially disliked Dick Cheney. Why should he? He has enough troubles.
But Mr. Bush saw a basic wrong. A man who should never have seen the inside of a courtroom as a defendant had been pilloried for no good reason and then sentenced to a Stalinist sentence. His basic decency overrode political and PR considerations. He simply did the right thing. He let an innocent man breathe the air of freedom. He used the power of his office to say “enough” to an out of control prosecutor, an out of control grand jury, and an out of control judge and jury. In a simple phrase, once again, he did the right thing regardless of cost.
I am not sure if this was his finest hour, but it was a fine hour.
BONG HITS FOR THE GORACLE
Al Gore’s Son Arrested For Drug Possession
“Al Gore III, son of the former vice president, was arrested in California early Wednesday morning for suspicion of possessing marijuana and prescription drugs.
Gore III was allegedly driving a blue Toyota Prius at speeds over 100 mph when he was pulled over around 2:15 a.m. on the San Diego freeway south of Los Angeles. Smelling marijuana, police searched the car and found less than one ounce of marijuana and prescription drugs Xanax, Valium, Vicodin and Adderall, Orange County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Jim Armormino said. The last pharmaceutical is a treatment for attention deficit disorder.
“He does not have a prescription for any of those drugs,” Amormino said.
Gore, 24, was released from a men’s jail in Santa Ana after posting $20,000 bail.
This is the second time he was arrested on a marijuana possession charge. Police in Montgomery County, Md., pulled over Gore in December 2003 and noticed the smell of pot. Police were also tipped off by the open windows and sunroof despite the freezing temperature.
Gore, who at the time was a Harvard university student, and his two male passengers were charged with a misdemeanor count of possession of marijuana and released. The youngest of Al and Tipper Gore’s four children then completed substance abuses classes as a pretrial diversion program, before settling the charges.
Gore was also ticketed for reckless driving by North Carolina police in August 2000, and military police arrested him for drunk driving near a military base in Virginia in September 2002. Gore III now lives in Los Angeles and is an associate publisher of GOOD, a magazine about philanthropy aimed at young people” Fox News dot com
“Gore III was allegedly driving a blue Toyota Prius at speeds over 100 mph”
Smart young man, he’s drives a Prius.
Smart young man, he’s drives a Prius.
Posted by: kscitydude | July 05, 2007 at 08:01 AM
Yeah, if you’re gonna be a pothead, might as well be environmentally friendly about your driving habits while stoned.
“The case against “Scooter” Libby was a total fraud. Completely bogus. The publicity-mad demoness Valerie Plame was not a covert overseas agent at the time the whole megillah about her erupted. So there was no, none, nada, law breaking by reporting that she was a CIA employee.”
That’s funny. George Tenet, who boss, acknowledged Plame was covert, Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, says she was covert, and Plame, under sworn testimony before a senator committee, says was covert, and other CIA agents have also said she was covert.
The only people who you still saying that Plame was not covert are conservative talk show hosts, Republican pundits and Republicans in general.
This is a good example of the Republican tactic, tell a lie long enough and eventually it will become the truth.
You finally got something right Republican!!!!
Kscitydude,
The blog’s resident troll is completely unable to see the difference between A) a punk kid, one with absolutely _no_ political power but with a drug problem, with B) an administration that has no regard for for our Constitution, our laws, or the rights of the American people.
All the troll knows is smear. It’s even in the headline it rewrote: “BONG HITS FOR THE GORACLE.” That’s not in the Fox “News” article, nor in the AP article from which it was derived. It’s nothing more than the troll trying to imply that the former VP is somehow caught up in illegal drug use.
Well said Tom!!!
Ah Tom, we were hoping for a JFK Jr. mind image of Al Gore the third.
I think Tom is being a little anal retentive (chortles) about the situation.
“The only people who you still saying that Plame was not covert are conservative talk show hosts, Republican pundits and Republicans in general.”Posted by: kscitydude | July 05, 2007 at 08:15 AM
And Plame’s husband Ambassador Wilson, who said she was not covert at the time. He said this on CNN and to a retired General as I quoted yesterday in the World Net Daily.
So let’s see, Ambassador Wilson is lying then. :)
I think Republican is “being a little anal retentive”. He would not have bothered to post the story if this had not been Al Gore’s son.
WHY DON’T AL QAEDA ATROCITIES GET MEDIA ATTENTION?
Because that might help Bush.
UPDATE: A journalist whose name you’d recognize emails:
Yon’s story doesn’t get attention because it is humiliating.
It is humiliating because it is obvious that we media – and our allies in the state department, the legal trade, the NGOs, the Democratic Party, the UN, etc., – can’t do squat about such determined use of force.
Our words, images, arguments and skills can’t stop the killing. Only the rough soldiers and their guns can solve the problem, and we won’t admit that fact because the admission would weaken our influence and our claim to social status.
So we pretend Yon’s massacre – and the North Korean killing fields, the Arab treatment of women, the Arab hatred of Israel, etc. – doesn’t exist, and instead focus our emotions and attention on the somewhat-bad domestic things that we can ‘fix’ with our DC-based allies. Things such as Abu Ghraib, wiretapping, etc. When we ‘fix’ them, then we get status, applause, power, new jobs, ego, etc.
Please don’t be surprised. We media are an interest group not much different from the automakers, the unions, and the farmers.
http://instapundit.com/archives2/006827.php
Now that Bush has worn-out the word “terrorist” notice how he switched to the battle cry of “al-Qaida” to replace “Terrorist” and sell al-Qaida as an “organization” to which Bush can assign members?
{ Giving Americans something to “love” and something to hate” is important in selling phony reasons to murder civilians }.
Republican–From the July 14 edition of CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Reports:
BLITZER: But the other argument that’s been made against you is that you’ve sought to capitalize on this extravaganza, having that photo shoot with your wife [in the January 2004 Vanity Fair magazine], who was a clandestine officer of the CIA, and that you’ve tried to enrich yourself writing this book and all of that.
What do you make of those accusations, which are serious accusations, as you know, that have been leveled against you?
WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity
[That's what Wilson said. Novak blew her cover, she was no longer undercover the second that paper hit the streets.]
BLITZER: But she hadn’t been a clandestine officer for some time before that?
WILSON: That’s not anything that I can talk about. And, indeed, I’ll go back to what I said earlier, the CIA believed that a possible crime had been committed, and that’s why they referred it to the Justice Department.
She was not a clandestine officer at the time that that article in Vanity Fair appeared.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507150003
Thanks for re-printing that kscityslicker, it shows that this case was about nothing. It was exactly as Ben Stein wrote. There was no crime committed in the discussion about Plame as at the time she was not covert.
This was all a media driven event and an overzealous prosecutor with a case of bloodlust.
msnbc reported six weeks ago that, according to court documents (apparently filed in her current civil suit against Cheney, Armitage and Libby), Plame was covert at the time Novak outed her in July 2003.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
Libby was not tried for felony violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, because Fitzgerald and his team did not believe they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby consciously violated IIPA.
Republican’s comment about Plame and Wilson’s photo in Vanity Fair in 2004 is true. But misleading. Why? This occurred six months after she had been outed by Bob Novak. The horses were long out of the barn and roaming the countryside, as every major newspaper had publicized the couple’s relationship months before the couple’s story was told by VF.
Plame did not send her husband to Niger. As Plame testified before Congress, she had no authority to send her husband to Niger or anywhere else. Joe Wilson was not under his wife’s chain of command. Plame testified that a superior asked her if she thought Wilson would be willing to take a Niger mission to investigate an Italian report of Iraq’s attempting to purchase yellowcake uranium (Wilson found no evidence, and the Italian “report” was determined to be a forged document), and if she would broach the matter with her husband. She did this, and communicated Wilson’s willingness to her superior, who arranged the assignment.
Wilson was a career diplomat who had previously served in Africa and as acting ambassador to Iraq during the Bush I presidency. So he had appropriate expertise to do this mission.
Federal investigators and a grand jury attempted to find out the exact leak-chain from Libby. They didn’t get anywhere, due to false statements and non-recollections on Libby’s part. His criminal trial was based on the contention that he deliberately “threw sand in the eyes” [sic] of the interlocutors, i.e. obstructed their investigation, and for this he was convicted by a jury of his peers for perjury and obstruction of justice.
He was given a 30 month sentence, in accord with federal sentencing guidelines. His attorneys appealed his conviction, and asked both the district court judge and a 3-judge panel of the Court of Appeals. D.C. Circuit to allow Libby to stay out of prison on bail until his appeals had been exhausted. Both courts turned him down. The appeals court’s decision was based on a 2-1 panel opinion that the jury’s finding did not appear to have a reasonable possibility of reversal.
Initially, there was talk of Libby’s attorneys seeking an en banc review by all of the circuit’s sitting judges. However, this was dropped as the administration arranged for Libby to be granted clemency.
George Bush did NOT say, “This was a trumped up witch hunt.” Had that been his finding, he would have granted a pardon.
He said,
“Mr. Libby was sentenced to thirty months of prison, two years of probation, and a $250,000 fine. In making the sentencing decision, the district court rejected the advice of the probation office, which recommended a lesser sentence and the consideration of factors that could have led to a sentence of home confinement or probation.
“I respect the jury’s verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby’s sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.
“My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting.
“The Constitution gives the President the power of clemency to be used when he deems it to be warranted. It is my judgment that a commutation of the prison term in Mr. Libby’s case is an appropriate exercise of this power.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070702-3.html
Irrespective of whether or not Bush grants Libby a pardon after the 2008 elections, which would nullify the conviction, enable Libby to get his law licenses back, and recover his $250,000 fine, the president at this time has acknowledged, by commuting Libby’s sentence, but not granting pardon, that Libby’s felony conviction per se was legally sound, but the sentence was too severe for a person who served ably, and for a first-time offense.
Great post, MPS!!!
Tracy, Are you back?
Someone put a garden hose through George Tiller’s abortion mill roof Wednesday and then tried to epoxy his faucet and parking lot gate. Police valiantly responded and shut off the water hose anyway.Gosh, let’s hope all those highly sensitive abortion records of 2004-2007 weren’t damaged, eliminating the possibility of more “technicality” charges that have to be thrown out by baby-hating federal judges.This couldn’t be another part of the conspiracy to shield abortionist quack Tiller from any meaningful prosecution under the Kansas post-viable abortion ban that he’s been violating for so many years, could it?
Parkay – I’m willing to bet that the vandalism came from YOUR side.
I think this probably came from the pro life camp, but there is always that possibility otherwise. Either way, Ihope they catch the creeps and try them. However, tillers attorneys likening this to a “terrorist” attack is nothing but inflammatory (which is his right), and gives a clue that he really doesn;t have any idea what terrorism is, at least in my on opinion
Here’s an article on the SCOTUS’s pro-corporation, anti-little people rightward turn.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/opinion/05thu1.html
GMC commented on the Ledbetter v. Goodyear employment-discrimination case that SCOTUS applied a strict statutory reading, which he applauded as an act of declination to “legislate from the bench”. I pointed out that Justice Thomas’s strict statutory construction argument was precisely opposite to his argument for overruling the exact same Civil Rights Act statute of limitations (for aggrieved parties seeking damages from employers) in National Railroad Corp v. Morris.
Then, in the Seattle and Louisville school-integration cases, the court threw out several decades of consistent interpretations of the 14th Amendment, starting with Brown v. Board of Education, as well as numerous federal and state legislative acts whose purpose was to foster racially integrated public schools as a foundation to achieving a racially integrated society, as envisioned by Brown.
The new SCOTUS majority “legislated from the bench”. It didn’t just derail “liberal” Warren court holdings, but a long train moderate to conservative-leaning Burger and Rehnquist court decisions as well.
If we see a Democrat elected to the White House, with congressional Dem majorities holding, don’t be surprised if discussions arise to expand the SCOTUS to 11 justices, in order to change the tenor of future SCOTUS decisions. If this occurs, it will be politically motivated, but so was the neocons’ placement of Roberts and Alito on our nation’s highest bench.
If we see a Democrat elected to the White House, with congressional Dem majorities holding, don’t be surprised if discussions arise to expand the SCOTUS to 11 justices, in order to change the tenor of future SCOTUS decisions. If this occurs, it will be politically motivated, but so was the neocons’ placement of Roberts and Alito on our nation’s highest bench.
Posted by: MPS | July 05, 2007 at 11:25 AM
FDR REDUX
And Ginsburg isn’t ideological and political? ANd her confirmation vote was?
Thank you for the post, MPS,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-2.html#comment-74959320
Ben Stein should stick with what he’s qualified to do — eye drop ads on TV.
Stein: “… Valerie Plame was not a covert overseas agent at the time the whole megillah about her erupted.”
The CIA says,http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf“At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms. Wilson’s employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee …”
Stein: “[Bush] simply did the right thing. He let an innocent man breathe the air of freedom.”
Stein ignores the fact that Bush said: “I respect the jury’s verdict.” (more in MPS’ post)And that Libby still has a felony conviction on his record, 2 years probation, and a $250,000 fine.
Still waiting for a Republican to explain what was the “under lying” crime committed by Clinton that let to his impeachment and failed attempt to remove him from office.
There was none. But did he lie to the grand jury? If yes, why didn;t he get a 30 month jail sentence? If no, then the question is moot.
Ah, Parkay, the only news report I saw didn’t say anything about trying to epoxy a faucet, only the gate. So, either you’ve mispoken, OR you were there and you know exactly what happened. Hmm, I wonder which of these is true…
If it was a “slam dunk” why wasn’t Clinton charged with perjury?
The answer is simple – he parsed his answer, the infamous “what is is” response. That does not rise to the level of perjury.
He was acquitted by the Senate.
If Starr and Ray thought they could have gotten a conviction, they would have pursued charges. They didn’t.
Republicans wanted to remove Clinton from office for alleged perjury – a far greater punishment than 30 months in a country club prison, but they feel Libby should have not been prosecuted because there was no “under lying crime.”
And they wonder why the word hypocrite is used so frequently in referencing the GOP.
WSClark, you can probably wait a long time, I wasn’t the one conversing with you on this subject the other day as I recall.
The attack on Tiller’s clinic could possibly be an inside job. Tiller probably was hoping for a total flood in his clinic to eliminate any evidence of wrong doing.
Gee,Next, Parkay is going to allege that Shelly Shannon was hired by Tiller to shoot him.What do you wanna bet it was one of Troy’s little friends that shows up on the video of Dr. Tiller’s roof?
That qualifies as the leading nominee for today’s dumbest post, Republank.
littlejohn,
I made the argument that if the SCOTUS is expanded, it will be a politically-motivated action.
FDR didn’t expand the SCOTUS, he merely threatened to do it, and the court started looking at his spearheaded legislation differently, eh? Take-home lesson, the SCOTUS acts politically.
On Ginsburg’s appointment, Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole and Nancy Kassebaum voted FOR her appointment. So did the vast majority of other Republican Senators, according to Ginsburg’s 97-3 confirmation vote.
I feel that Ginsburg’s judgment in Kelo v. New London (CT) giving the power of a municipality to exercise eminent domain against one set of private property owners in order to transfer ownership to another, corporately and politically powerful group of private-property developers, was unconstitutional.
I think that the developers, including a drug company, should have either been required to make free-market transactions for the properties in question, or else, if they felt this would not be profitable enough, build somewhere else.
I personally don’t believe that conversion of low-value homes to much-higher-value jobs-producing commercial facilities is a sufficient justification to empower government to pick private-sector losers and winners.
Ms. Ginsburg believed that New London’s plan would create jobs for working-aged little people, whose taxes would support benefits for displaced home-owning little-people retirees who would be compensated equitably for the value of their homes as residential property, but not be compensated for the value of their properties as commercial real estate.
I understand Ms. Ginsburg’s perspective, but I disagree with her ultimate conclusion, as did four justices, because it was discriminatory. For example, Charles Koch’s residential compound would be much more valuable converted to Rock and 13th fronting commercial property than as residential real estate. But Mr. Koch or his heirs should profit from any such conversion, and if such conversion ever occurs, Mr. Koch or his successors will lead the conversion and profit handsomely. Wichita officials would never dare to try to subject Mr. Koch’s property to eminent domain, even though commercialization would create far more jobs than his residential property can support.
New London officials didn’t vote to convert affluent homeowners’ property to commercial use. They specifically targeted little people’s properties. Ms. Ginsburg voted for differential, class-based “property rights”. I think that was wrong-headed.
WSClark-
i didn;t see any slam dunk comment above, but you are right, of course. While I think he did really commit perjury, slicing it very thinly in technical language, he did not. i think part of the problem is purely partisan politics, maybe even most of it. However, Fitzgerald already knew who outed plame, and dug around anyway. I think that caused at least some rancor. As I have said earlier, do the crime, do the time. Bush should have stayed out of it. Republicans should also be telling the President that, as well as telling the people that they disagree with the decison of the President.
MPS-I agree with nearly all that you just posted. My only comment, I guess pororly done, was that nearly all SCOTUS justices are political or idealogical. There are some that seem to think only the current panel is such a beast. It simply is not true. And the FDR court didn;t really change it’s position till one of the conservative members retired, if I recall correctly. In any Case, FDR did indeed threatened to expand the court, as retaliation for considering parts of hs “New Deal” to be unconstitutional. As FDR is one of the liberals heroes, I just thought it interesting to point out that activity, should BUsh try it, there would be a scream heard from here to around the world (?)
Fitzgerald was rooting around because he was trying to determine who ordered the leak, not just the identity of the leaker. If the leak was ordered by the White House, we as citizens have a right to know.
Further, it is possible, even likely, that there was more than one leaker.
Libby obstructed that investigation by lying to the Grand Jury.
Troy aka Parkay,
Your assertion that Tiller was trying to flood his own clinic is so ridiculous and ludicrous, you just look like a total idiot even proposing it.
A garden hose is not going to cause so much flooding that it will swamp filing cabinets. All it will do is soak the carpets, ruin drywall, and damage electronics. You can do a lot of property damage that way, but floating cabinets full of files? You’re an idiot.
WSClark-I agree, and Libby should be on his way to jail.
I witnessed a bad accident on the canal route this morning…did anyone see a report on how it turned out? They were towing a camper and lost control of it- slamming into the side of the barrier.
I was on the other side so there wasn’t anything I could do to help.
An excellent analysis,
‘The High Cost of Libby’s Silence’http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070703_the_high_cost_of_libbys_silence“So the commutation ensures that Libby will not cooperate with Fitzgerald, and will not cooperate with Congress. Why does this matter? Because this case is not about obstruction of justice, it is not about perjury. Ultimately, this case is about war.”
Tom, did Parkay give you permission to use his first name on the Blog??
What’s with the obsession regarding anonymity here? Are there any superheroes protecting their secret idenities on the WE Blog?
Are there any superheroes protecting their secret idenities on the WE Blog?
Posted by: Lynz | July 05, 2007 at 02:45 PM
Yes, there are.
The OR people are the only ones fruity enough to go break into Tiller’s clinic. That’s so obvious if you’ve ever been around those nutjobs.
I think the recent vandalism at tillers clinic wasn;t by nutjobs, but by some dumbass kids. Maybe they thought they were doing their parents wishes, maybe they just wanted to raise some hell, like stealing outhouses. Either way, they should be found and punished
Jim Ryun is a huge expense to Kansas no matter how many of those special interest dollars he can collect. That seems to be his new job while living off of the taxpayers retirement fund from big government.
For someone who hates big government ….while loving the pay and perks…. it seems he cannot get enough of big government. Big government has only expanded under the watch of those soconcerned about big government. How did Ryun reduce the size of big government by supporting the creation of a monster Homeland Security for instance?
Did the USA really need a monster Homeland Security Department simply because neocons were not paying attention thus 9/11/01. Homeland Security is a bogus show in effort to distract the nation from the monster screw up aka 9/11/01. Talk about increased spending but on what?
BG,
Is “Troy” Parkay’s first name? Are you confirming that now?
Are there any superheroes protecting their secret idenities on the WE Blog?Posted by: Lynz | July 05, 2007 at 02:45 PM
Yes, there are.Posted by: littlejohn | July 05, 2007 at 02:47 PM
Yes, but you _really_ don’t want to see me in tight spandex.
ugh. So few look good in spandex.
Hehe, I always knew you were a superhero Tom. And you’re right, I NEVER want to see you in spandex.
fleettwood, on yesterdays open thread,
“Another victory for CC in Texas”
Victory? Looks like stupid luck. The CC holder seems to have shot a 17-year old boy in the butt and foot. The OTHER 2 robbers are still on the loose.
‘Man Shoots Robber, Robber Checks Into Hospital’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19601327/
Cos — it’s been fairly quiet today… dont get em started!! LOL
For those folks who ask how the impeachment is coming…
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-impeach5jul05,1,4926747.story?ctrack=2&cset=true
The radical thinking Kansas republican neocons are not good for the economy or for the environment.
No matter all of those who supported Rep. Nancy Boyda put a moderate republican into office and so it goes for the state AG’s office as well. Very smart move for all those on both sides of the aisle who supported them.
I supported Nancy Kassebaum without blinking an eye and never regretted that vote.
Then again whatever happened to the real republican party…will it please sign in for it is still a mystery. Ryun is a radical neocon not a republican.
Another leading Repub. Pete Domenci breaks ranks with bush on Iraq. Don’t worry bush, Roberts will never desert you!
Domenici Breaks with Bush War PolicyBy Paul Kane
Washingtonpost.com Staff WriterThursday, July 5, 2007; 3:23 PM
Sen. Pete Domenici (N.M.), a 36-year Republican veteran of the Senate, abandoned President Bush’s Iraq war policy today by publicly endorsing legislation designed to withdraw nearly all U.S. troops from Iraq by March 2008.
Domenici, a member of the defense appropriations subcommittee, is the fourth senior Senate Republican to sharply criticize Bush’s war strategy in the past two weeks. He announced during a press conference in Albuquerque that he was co-sponsoring legislation that would embrace the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, which called for a major redeployment that would leave only a limited number of troops in Iraq to focus on counter-terror operations and securing the border.
“I have carefully studied the Iraq situation, and believe we cannot continue asking our troops to sacrifice indefinitely while the Iraqi government is not making measurable progress to move its country forward,” Domenici said. “I do not support an immediate withdrawal from Iraq or a reduction in funding for our troops. But I do support a new strategy that will move our troops out of combat operations and on the path to coming home.”
———————————Sounds like “cut and run” to me Pete.
———————————Domenici’s defection is the latest from a growing number of senior Senate Republicans who have decided to oppose the White House’s preferred plan of waiting for a mid-September progress report on the effectiveness of Bush’s “surge” plan of boosting the U.S. deployment in Iraq this year by tens of thousands of troops.
Rather than wait for that report, to be drafted by the administration, Domenici and other senior Republicans have called for a change in course this summer in advance of the coming legislative fight this month in the Senate on the authorization bill for the Pentagon.
“I am unwilling to continue our current strategy,” Domenici said flatly, blaming the Iraqi government for its inability to get its internal administration in order.
——————————–Up for reelection in ‘08 old boy?
——————————–Early last week Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the leading Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, delivered a rebuke to the White House with a more than 5,000-word address on the Senate floor declaring that the surge was not working and that the “current path” on Iraq was not acceptable. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.), the former chairman of the Armed Services Committee, applauded Lugar’s speech and said he would offer his own amendments calling for a change in policy during the defense authorization debate next week.
And Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) also endorsed a call for withdrawing troops, sending a letter to Bush personally making that request.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) hopes to force Republicans into abandoning Bush on a series of votes on Iraq. As of now, he appears to be short of the two-thirds votes needed to over-ride a presidential veto of legislation setting a withdrawal date, but the statements from Domenici and the other senators give momentum to Democrats upon which they hope to build.
Specifically, Domenici endorsed a bill written by Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) that adopts the 79 recommendations from the Iraq Study Group, chaired by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.), as the policy of the United States.
Republican, thanks for the unattributed cut and pase from the American Spectator. Too bad all the basic facts you stole and claim as your own are WRONG.
The CIA sought the investigation because she WAS a covert agent.
I don’t blame ya for stealing the article… So many lies that thick do require an entire team to make up.
>Thanks for re-printing that kscityslicker, it shows that this case was about nothing. It was exactly as Ben Stein wrote. There was no crime committed in the discussion about Plame as at the time she was not covert.
This was all a media driven event and an overzealous prosecutor with a case of bloodlust. Posted by: Republican | July 05, 2007 at 09:12 AM<
1. Termination of the Investigation
The assertion that the collective facts known at an early point in the investigationwarranted a summary termination of the investigation does not stand up to close scrutiny.”First, it was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under therelevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent”whose identityhad been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press. Early in theinvestigation, however, the critical issue remained as to precisely what the particular officialsknew about Ms. Wilson’s status and what the officials intended when they disclosed heridentity to the media. Moreover, in assessing the intent of these individuals, it was necessaryto determine whether there was concerted action by any combination of the officials knownto have disclosed the information about Ms. Plame to the media as anonymous sources, andalso whether any of those who were involved acted at the direction of others. This wasparticularly important in light of Mr. Libby’s statement to the FBI that he may have discussedMs. Wilson’s employment with reporters at the specific direction of the Vice President.
From Pg.12
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/files/52507_fitzgerald_sentencing_memorandum.pdf
David B,
I only posted what I found and I didn’t find it on the American Spectator, it was a Newsvine article. And, I gave proper credit to the author.
As for all you Secular Progressives I would like you to point out who was found guilty of “outing” Valerie Plame?
Anyone? Anyone?
And answer me this? Why didn’t Patrick Fitzgerald prosecute the person who leaked the information, Armitage?
Anyone? Anyone?
That’s what I thought.
As for all you Secular Progressives I would like you to point out who was found guilty of “outing” Valerie Plame?
Anyone? Anyone?
And answer me this? Why didn’t Patrick Fitzgerald prosecute the person who leaked the information, Armitage?
Anyone? Anyone?
That’s what I thought.
Posted by: Republican | July 05, 2007 at 08:59 PM
You watch BOR too? Why should we answer any of your questions Republican, you wouldn’t believe us anyway.
That question has been answered numerous times, Republank, you just can’t seem to read.
Real slow………………
Armitage did not know that she was covert, but others did. Fitzgerald was trying to determine who ORDERED the leak or leaks, but Libby lied and obstructed justice, derailing the investigation.
Simple, right, oh thick headed one.
Republican,
“Why didn’t Patrick Fitzgerald prosecute the person who leaked the information, Armitage?”
Why doesn’t Republican buy some of the eye drops his hero Ben Stein sells on TV ads, and then do some research?
Ooops, I forgot… because Republican represents Kansas “values”, and Kansas “mindset”. So instead, he posts BS, and lies.
BuzzFlash.com Presents:
Honoring reporters who just can’t handle the truth!
July 5, 2007
Bill O’Reilly
For reporting that is an embarrassment to the profession of journalism, and for being beholden to corporate paymasters rather than the citizens of America.
Well, well, well.
Chris Matthews may have beat out Bill O’Reilly for being the first media whore installed into the BuzzFlash Media Putz Hall of Shame, but the gasbag, lusting loofah man, Bill O’Reilly was just a step behind.
Since there are nearly as many Media Putzes as there are GOP Hypocrites, we are trying to select weekly winners for their most recent acts of media prostitution.
This week, we chose John Christman’s nomination of O’Reilly for trying to intimidate a high school student who had done his homework on Bill’s intimidating hypocrisy. It all has to do with one of those demagogic distorted FOX faux stories, like its hype last winter that there is a conspiracy to do away with Christmas.
This nomination had to do with a talk on sex and drugs at a Colorado high school that O’Reilly has glommed onto like a rabid dog.
First let’s go to the videotape, please. Watch the whole sequence, including the last comment by the second student, who is the one who nails O’Reilly right between the eyes. (The first student up is an O’Reilly acolyte.)
This is what nominator Christman had to say about the O’Reilly slap down:
“Bill O’Reilly allowed himself to be out-argued by a high school student over whether or not the content of an assembly at the high school was appropriate.
“O’Reilly had stated that one of the presenters had said that he would be willing to take Ecstasy with students when in fact he was speaking about psychological tests that had been conducted using that drug and linking them to testing that had been done with LSD many years ago. When the student used actual quotes from the official transcript of the speaker’s comments, Bill called him a ‘pinhead’ and tried to shout him down.
“The student, Jesse Lange, remained calm and responded with facts. He then called O’Reilly a hypocrite for comments he made in one of his books. Bill then turned to his other guest, another student from the same high school to end the segment. Bill O’Reilly clearly deserves to be named as Media Putz of the Week due to his inability to tame a high school student.”
If you’ve watched the tape by now, you’ll see that O’Reilly wouldn’t even let Lange read O’Reilly’s own hypocritical quote from his book of “advice” for young people. Anything for a buck, we suppose.
Bill O’Reilly, you are indeed a trendsetting Media Putz — and more than merit being named the second recipient of this dubious BuzzFlash distinction.
Like a high-dollar hooker, you really know how to fake it.
Every edition of the “Factor,” you remind us how easy it is to separate journalism from the truth.
kscitydude,
“Why should we answer any of your questions Republican, you wouldn’t believe us anyway.”
Look out kscitydude! Republican will put you on his “total ignore” list, like he has done to me for not answering his STUPID, irrelevant, personal questions.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/they-should-spe.html#comment-74897360
ROFLMAO!
I can only hope, cosmos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6cT-JSfdzM
If you care to watch the BOR video of the interview with the high school students.
So, there was no crime of “outing” then? :)
Or is only convenient to discuss “outing” when it is convenient to do so?
Let’s see there was an outing of Plame.
No, there wasn’t an outing of Plame
Yes there was.
No there wasn’t.
But the Prosecutor didn’t prosecute anyone for the outing of Plame.
Doesn’t matter there was a coverup.
What coverup?
The one that Fitzgerald prosecuted.
He prosecuted Libby for a coverup?
No, there was no proof of a coverup.
So, what did he Prosecute Libby for?
For obfuscating a coverup that Fitzgerald couldn’t prove that existed.
So Libby got prosecuted for lying about something that didn’t exist?
No! He got prosecuted for lying about up the fact there may have been a coverup about the deliberate outing of Plame!!!
Wait, you said there was no outing of Plame that could be prosecuted because she was not covert when Armitage brought it up first.
That’s not what I said!
Is Too!
You republicans are just ignorant!
ROFL LMAO! :D
Slip sliding away. . .
I saw nothing wrong with the debate with the discussion on the youtube OReilly clip. Looked like all sides got their points in. There were no winners or losers, it was a discussion. Both kids did well and OReilly moderated it as any responsible adult should. That is, that drugs are not a good lifestyle or healthy for you.
To spin it otherwise is irresponsible.
“Wait, you said there was no outing of Plame that could be prosecuted because she was not covert when Armitage brought it up first.”
No, oh Empty Headed One, that is not what was said.
You get dumber every day.
What was said was Richard Armitage did not KNOW that Plame was covert, so therefore he couldn’t be prosecuted for inadvertently outing Plame.
The CIA said that Plame was covert, therefore she WAS covert, regardless of Republican talking points.
What was said was Libby knowingly lied to a Grand Jury, as evidenced by his conviction by a jury of his peers.
His lying obstructed the investigation as to who ORDERED the leak.
Simple enough, oh Dim One?
Hank and the Dim One apparently are okay with betraying the status of a CIA operative so long as they are Democrats.
If a Democratic administration had done this, they would be screaming for treason charges.
Hypocrites.
WS,
Walk….
So the CIA outed Valerie Plame? Shouldn’t someone in the CIA be prosecuted?
So if you don’t know something, you can’t be prosecuted. If you do know something you can be prosecuted if you don’t talk about it.
I see, so ignorance on a matter and talking about it is better than not-admitting you know something and not talking about it.
Oh and another question. Just what investigation was he obstructing?
The fact that some people knew about it and weren’t talking?
Or the fact that some people didn’t know about it and were talking?
Is this the thought control police?
You can know something and not discuss it and still get prosecuted for it?
I see…
“So the CIA outed Valerie Plame? ”
Hmmmmm………….., reading must have been one of those classes you missed, Dim One.
No one even came close to saying that the CIA outed Valerie Plame.
What a dumbass you are……
If a Democratic administration had done this, they would be screaming for treason charges.
Hypocrites.
Posted by: WSClark | July 05, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Oh, you mean like Senator Leaky Leahy who served on the Intelligence Committee in the 80s and used that information to make unauthorized disclosure of an allied secret agent who later was killed because of that outing.
That kind of Democratic leakage? :)
So what did Libby lie about WSClark?
The fact that he knew something and didn’t discuss it with anyone? Looks to me as if he was keeping National secrets protected.
So you’re saying Libby was prosecuted for keeping his mouth shut.
How many of Plame’s associates and informants were killed because of the vendetta to discredit her husband by the Bush administration.
And you need to provide a credible leak regarding Leahy – you have nothing but Republican talking points again.
“So you’re saying Libby was prosecuted for keeping his mouth shut.”
A jury, a Republican appointed prosecutor and judge said that Libby was guilty.
Who are you to say differently?
Dumbass.
I don’t know how many were killed WSClark.
Are you saying you know?
In the Leakey Leahey case they have a name.
Do you have any names WSClark? ;)
“In the Leakey Leahey case they have a name.”
Where’s the link, Dim One?
Guilty of what WSClark?
For lying about something he never discussed with anyone?
I posted about Leahy two months ago.
Not my fault you can’t pay attention.
More great news from Florida! There should be concealed carry and stand your ground in every state. I am sure that bloomberg and the other libs are wetting their panties over that fact that American might actually start gunning down their minority criminal pets!
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/search/content/local_news/epaper/2007/06...5borden.html
WEST PALM BEACH – A jury today found Norman Borden not guilty ofmurdering two men and wounding another in a shooting he maintained wasan act of self-defense.
Borden, 44, of suburban West Palm Beach fired 14 shots from his 9mmhandgun at three men in a Jeep in the early-morning hours in Octoberafter a confrontation with them as he walked his four dogs in theWestgate neighborhood.
Killed were Christopher Araujo, 19, and Saul Trejo, 21, Wounded wasJuan Mendez, 21.
The three men tried to run him over in Araujo’s Jeep and kill him,Borden said, so he emptied his gun in order to save his life
Trejo was a reputed local leader of Sur 13, a violent street gang.
[from a previous story, 6/22] One of several gripping moments jurorsin Borden’s murder trial viewed Thursday as they watched threevideotaped interviews that he gave investigators. The interviewsincluded one in the pre-dawn hours as he walked through the crimescene with them, giving his version of the violent events.
Near the end of his third interview – which concluded with his arrest- Borden worried about retaliation from the friends or relatives ofthe men he shot.
“They’re probably fixing to burn my house right now,” he said. Twodays later, his house was set afire.
That wasn’t the end of the calamities that befell Borden. He toldsheriff’s Detective Sean Oliver that he loved his four pit bulls, andOliver assured him that animal control would feed and care for them.
That was true for a time, but the animals eventually were euthanized,said Borden’s defense lawyer, Palm Beach County Public Defender CareyHaughwout.http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/local_news/epaper/2007/06/21/w3b_borden_0621.htmlhttp://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0625bordentrial,0,3245020.story
Apparently the JURY thought he was guilty, dumbass.
And, by the way, “Where’s the link, Dim One?”
Or is this just more shit you make up?
And Dim One, IF Leahy did out an agent, why wasn’t he prosecuted?
Should be easy to provide a link, right, Dim One?
How can anyone of good conscience put our young troops into such an untenable situation? Nam all over again, if you don’t catch them in the act of trying to kill you, your hands are tied.
Marines face new probe over eight Iraq deaths By Marty GrahamThu Jul 5, 7:43 PM ET
SAN DIEGO (Reuters) – Up to 10 U.S. Marines are under investigation for the deaths of eight Iraqi prisoners during the November 2004 battle for Fallujah, marking the third war crimes probe of Marines at California’s Camp Pendleton, a government spokesman said on Thursday.
ADVERTISEMENTEd Buice, a spokesman for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, said he could not disclose details of the inquiry at the U.S. Marine Corps base.
But he said none of the Marines under investigation are being held in detention.
Nat Helms, a Vietnam veteran who has written a book about the Marine Corp’s battle for Fallujah in Iraq’s Anbar Province, provided an account of the deaths on his Web site — defendourmarines.com — writing that eight Iraqi prisoners were executed.
According to Helms, Marines held eight unarmed Iraqi men in a house during the battle and executed them after receiving orders to move to a new location.
The allegation is another embarrassment for the U.S. military fighting in Iraq and Camp Pendleton, one the Marine Corps’ largest installations in the United States.
In June 2006, seven Marines and a U.S. Navy corpsman were charged in the April 2006 killing of a 52-year-old grandfather in Hamdania, Iraq.
According to testimony, the man was kidnapped from his bed and killed in a scenario planned to make his death look like he was planting a bomb.
All but three of the troops have pleaded guilty to reduced charges, while the remaining three Marines pleaded innocent to charges including kidnapping and murder and are awaiting court martial.
In December 2006, eight Marines from the same platoon being investigated in the Fallujah killings were charged in the November 2005 killings of 24 residents of Haditha, Iraq.
Four officers face charges for failing to investigate and accurately report the Haditha killings and three Marines face murder charges. Charges against a fourth Marine were dismissed in exchange for testimony.
The latest investigation began after a Marine admitted during a polygraph test for a job with the U.S. Secret Service that he participated in a wrongful death, according to Helms.
Helms says Corp. Ryan Weemer told him that after Marines captured the eight Iraqis, they received a radio order to move out. When asked what to do with the prisoners, a radio operator asked “Are they still alive?” The Marines took that as an order to execute the Iraqis and shot them to death, Helms says.
According to Helms, insurgents in Fallujah would run from firefights without weapons and rearm themselves at new locations because they knew Marines were barred from shooting the unarmed.
WS,
I checked Wikipedia’s Leahy entry. Here’s what it says:
“In 1987, Leahy resigned from his position as Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee after an investigation into an alleged leak to a reporter regarding information. The information released by Leahy was not classified and it was determined there was no ethical or criminal violation.”
There are no links in the references section to any articles, briefs, transcripts or anything else that says anything other than the above. I’m sure if there was something to this, there’d be commentary and references.
It’s just more lies from the troll. Walk on by, WS, walk on by.
It’s in the Congressional record, famously lazy WSClark. Of course you won’t look WSClark, because you don’t know how and every one knows you are just a loudmouth who make claims then can’t back it up.
I posted about it two months ago on the blog. So now you have two places to look.
yeah, that’s right Tom, no investigations of Leaky Leahy, it was a Democratic Congress then.
Provide a link bozo, or STFU.
If you think that I am going to search all of your many idiotic posts, you have another thing coming.
Christ, you truly are an asshole.
I am getting really sick and tired of these “people”. the war for civilisation will have to be fought here in America, and not in Iraq!
Manhunt Underway For Child Rape Suspect
July 5, 2007 10:33 PM EDT
COLUMBIA, Tenn.- A manhunt in Maury County led to the arrest of at least 13 undocumented immigrants.
Maury County Sheriff’s deputies and federal agents arrested them in Columbia Tuesday morning.
Police were looking for Juan Villa, a suspect in a child rape case.
The 24-year-old man is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl less than six hours after being released from jail.
Six of the people arrested in Columbia were Villa’s relatives.
On Thursday, investigators said Villa may have sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl. Detectives questioned the girl Thursday.
Villa is an undocumented immigrant with a long history of arrests.http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=6745528
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In his home state of Vermont, more than a few of his constituents remember him best as “Leaky Leahy,” the one-time vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who had to resign the post in disgrace 14 years ago after acknowledging he divulged secret information to a reporter.
“Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, inadvertantly disclosed a top secret communications intercept during a [1985] television interview,” reported the San Diego Union-Tribune in a 1987 editorial criticizing Congress’ penchant for partisan leaks.
“The intercept, apparently of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s telephone conversations, made possible the capture of the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered American citizens,” the paper said, adding, “The reports cost the life of at least one Egyptian operative involved in the operation.”
In July 1987, the Washington Times reported that Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration to topple Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi.
“I thought [the operation] was probably the most ridiculous thing I had seen, and also the most irresponsible,” the then-leading Intelligence Committee Democrat allegedly said of the secret plan.
Unidentified U.S. intelligence officials told the Times that Leahy, along with Republican panel chairman Sen. Dave Durenberger, communicated a written threat to expose the operation directly to then-CIA Director William Casey.
Weeks later, news of the secret plan turned up in the Washington Post, causing it to be aborted.
Leahy vehemently denied he talked to the press about any of the Reagan administration’s covert operations, saying, “I never have, and I’m not going to start now.”
But just a year later, as the Senate was preparing to hold hearings on the Iran-Contra scandal, the Vermont senator had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information to a reporter.
The ranking Intelligence Committee Democrat decided to let an NBC reporter comb through the committee’s confidential draft report on the scandal. The network aired a report based on the inside information on Jan. 11, 1987.
After a six-month internal investigation, Leahy “voluntarily” stepped down from his committee post, releasing a statement calling his resignation “a suitable way to express … anger and regret” over his lapse.
Leahy’s anger, he said, was at himself, “for carelessly allowing the press person to examine the unclassified draft and to be alone with it.”
The Vermont Democrat’s Iran-Contra leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the committee’s 10-year history.
After Leahy’s resignation, the Senate Intelligence Committee decided to restrict access to committee documents to a security-enhanced meeting room.
Somehow the elite media consider none of the above relevant, even as Sen. Leahy once again assumes the role of guardian of America’s national interests.
Needless to say, we think the nation needs to be reminded of the Vermont Democrat’s tortured relationship with national security issues – before he damages America’s war on terrorism even more than he did in the 1980s.
Link or is this just more of your copy and paste bullshit?
CLARKIE, you showing your true pinko colors today? You really in San Francisco and not Kansas?
Walk on bye Clarkie, Walk on bye!
Ah, Totally ‘Tupid is back!!!!!
All right, another right wing moron to humiliate!
Jeez, could it be that TT and Republican are on and the same?
Naw?
Dang ya caught me again!
Hank Price and Republican,
Why don’t you just post your PROOF that the four guilty counts against Libby were wrong?
Answer: Because they were NOT.
WS,
The troll has posted as “TT” before.
If you read the troll’s stolen article carefully, you’ll see that it’s mostly unsubstantiated allegation, mixed with condemnation for “leaking” a draft report that was never classified anyway. It may have been a violation of Committee rules, but it certainly wasn’t a breach of national security to reveal a draft of what became a public report.
Of course, now we have an administration that “classifies” public information, and orders public record removed from library shelves with threats of prosecution for any who resist.
Insert Libby’s name in that report where Leahy’s was and see if you Democrites would have the same reaction.
I have no clue who TT is, as I have no clue who just posted as Republican without a Typepad account.
It must really suck to have to post under phony nics like the troll does, Tom. He gets caught up in his own bullshit and has to smoke screen his way out. What a sad, little man he is.
Oh, well, since he has resorting to the games again, I guess I’ll just resume my reasonable activities.
Beating up on trolls is just too easy.
Interesting comment that TT mentioned about WSClark. Describe what streets you live near in Wichita WSClark. What kind of buildings.
Nothing specific, just what it looks like around your, you know, the nearest Dillons, pharmacy, nearest elementary school, nearest voting place and etc.
WS,
Now the troll wants to stalk you. Pray you don’t live near any very small bridges.
What is your point, Dim One? Do you want to get me banned for allegedly not living in Wichita?
No ban, but it means you’ve been lying all along about living in Wichita. What else have you lied about?
The four charges:
- Obstruction of Justice: GUILTY* False statements to FBI investigators (about Russert conversation): GUILTY* False statement to FBI investigators (about Cooper conversation): NOT GUILTY* Perjury to the Grand Jury (about Tim Russert conversation): GUILTY* Perjury to the Grand Jury (about the Matt Cooper conversation): GUILTY
My word! They took the word of News Reporters over Libby!
Not shocking, as I said before the MSM was responsible for all of this.
Clark, I was just pulling your chain, not hard to do in case you haven’t noticed yet. Short fuse you have, problem during your childhood perhaps or maybe one of your wives abused you.
Quit pickin on good ole Republican. Without him, you’d only have me to stir you up.
Get a life Clark.
So, the kahn admits it, the Libby is guilty. Next question?
“No ban, but it means you’ve been lying all along about living in Wichita”
And how have I been lying, Dim One? Because I won’t give you my address?
How is this: I know that the roads around Meridian and Pawnee are torn up, surrounded by orange barrels.
I know that that same area flooded recently – two weeks ago – and traffic was diverted.
I also know that there still is a detour sign east of Broadway at 21st street west bound, but there is no longer a detour south around the intersection of Broadway and 21st.
I also know that the Rent to Own store adjacent to A-OK Pawn at Harry and Oliver is having a fortieth anniversary sale.
I also know that the porn shop on the north end of A-OK’s building has been shut down and workmen are rebuilding the facade.
Anything else, dumbass?
And Clark, don’t forget the gay bar you frequent, which one was that again?
“Quit pickin on good ole Republican. Without him, you’d only have me to stir you up.”
Ah, Totally ‘Tupid, you are just as much an asshole as Republank, but I really think that you and it are one and the same.
Only the Blank One posts comments complimenting himself or defending himself.
Either way, you are both idiots.
WS,
Both posters are the troll. I’ve caught it using “TT” before. Plus, it makes the exact same grammatical errors under both names.
And yeah, the troll is an idiot no matter how many nics it trolls with.
Jeez, Totally ‘Tupid, accusing a fifty five year heterosexual man of being a homosexual is just so, SIXTH GRADE.
You gotta have something better than that.
Is that your best shot Clark?
Wow!
Jeez, Totally ‘Tupid, accusing a fifty five year heterosexual man of being a homosexual is just so, SIXTH GRADE.
You gotta have something better than that.
WS,
I’d be proud to have you on “my team.” What the troll thinks is an insult is, well, not.
Another flash of brilliance Clark.
Amazing, simply amazing.
One little post and you go on and on for hours – you and your lil queer friends.
Whatsa matter, 10 minutes with them and your done already?
Damn, Tom, I would have thought that the right wingers could come up with something better than “accusing” me of being homosexual.
Maybe they could accuse me of being brown haired or dark complected or flat footed.
Who knows – those accusations would make more sense.
Jeez, if they are going to accuse me of something, they should at least make it something that I would be ashamed of.
If I were gay, I certainly wouldn’t be ashamed of THAT.
Dumbasses.
This is pointless.
Tom and Clark – proud to be on the same team.
Vacationing soon in Frisco together, at a queer beach near you!
Just walk on bye….
Clark, it does not concern me that you are a butt ranger, so long as you do not molest kids or otherwise break the law your sexual orientation is your own affair.
Nice try Mr. Slaughter, your two-bit insults are childish and mindless.
I am notoriously heterosexual, but to dambasses like you and TT/Republank, it must be the best insult you can toss out, accusing someone of being a homosexual.
What a moron.
Republank got his butt kicked once again, so he resorts to nic-switching and throwing out childish accusations without foundation.
Republank is a fifty plus year old virgin by his own admission so he tries to make up for his lack of appeal to the opposite sex by accusing straight men of being homosexual.
What a sad, little man he is.
You people really let fly with the personal insults, wow.
It’s just your defensive nature Clark, and the funny way you write, and walk! It’s ok if you don’t want to admit it, though your attempt at writing exposes your true nature.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
You threw down Mr. Slaughter, so back it up, chump.
Is that like throwing up? Clark, you make many want to do that.
Nice try, Republank, but you tried this crap with me at least once before, when you were using another nic.
It is stupid and childish, but that pretty much sums you up anyway.
You lose an argument so you make false accusations.
It doesn’t matter whether you post as blank, or TT, or Republikan or Republican or JM or any of your other nics, you’re still an asshole.
Chump????? Hey, Clark, I just stated that if you are queer, it is no big deal, that’s all. I am not a fool conservative christian who is concerned with non-issues like gay marriage and abortion.
It’s funny how Republank disappeared when TT showed up.
Let’s add Sgt. Slaughter to the list of Republican’s nic switching routine.
Paranoia, will destroy ya.
Yes gay pals, let’s add Sgt to our lil list!
He Threw DOWN afterall, Oh my goodness, He Threw DOWN!
Oh my, what a gay boy expression!
Goodnight, Republank and all your alter-egos……………..
WS,
I think Slaughter is a different idiot. But admittedly, it’s tough to tell. They all look alike.
But you may have a point. Troll and Slaughter are both using “queer” pretty consistently.
Troll, FYI, “queer” is just about as offensive as “fag” or “nigger.”
Why is queer offensive? There were the tv shows, queer eye for the straight guy, queer as folk, and you people are always chanting we’re here we’re queer, get used to it.
What’s in a name? Are you going to start whining like the blacks and demand that you be called something diffeent every ten minutes?
Slaughter,
I don’t really give a rat’s ass what you do or don’t call me. I’ve been called worse by much, _much_ better people.
Unless you’re in the Kansas Legislature, or on a city council or county commission somewhere, what you think of me means absolutely nothing. I’m merely pointing out that your use of “queer,” used a pejorative, is offensive in the same way as “fag” and “nigger” are offensive.
Okay, Thomas, you win. I shall no longer use the terms, carpet muncher, butt ranger or queer to describe you folks. I wouldn’t want to offen you, farmchick, or WS Clark, that’s for sure. TRUCE!!
heh, I’m TT is it?
Amazing how the conspiratorial Secular Progressives think I’m everyone on the blog. :D
Yeah Tom and WSClark has no point to make 99.9 percent of the time. They just like to hurl insults. It makes them feel more manly. You know they both struggle with being man-like.
Insults are all they got. :)
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Hey Tom, WS, how do any of us know that Khan is from Kansas??? LOL
You right, chas, please remove all posts that make reference to “god”, they offend me greatly. I am an atheist and a sensitive one at that. TIA
I could consider that :-)
I was born in Kansas. Let’s see the one of the Quicktrip at Central and Oliver was recently renovated. They moved the Lotto Checker and ATM back behind the counter and the cigarette cases are new. The hot food counters have been re-aligned and some of the snacks (chips, candies) are in an East-West configuration now.
The Dollar Store on Central and Oliver is closing down and recently had a sale.
On Woodlawn and 13th Street, there is a Walgreens, Fidelity, Gas Station. Behind the gas station is mini mall with a Dillions, Paint store and medical supply.
There is a McDonalds just south of the Fidelity Bank and they always serve luke warm food and never give napkins.
Further down Woodlawn, there is a Nuway in that Shopping mall and a lumber yard, along with many other shops in that mini-mall. Bank of America bank on the corner of Woodlawn and Central.
Going up Central, there is a Battery Store and a McDonalds right across the street. Further down is a Sonic, a Wendy’s that’s closed now, Dairy Queen, a packing store, a lube and oil joint. Oh yeah, there is a Mediterranean food place right next to the McDonalds.
Up the street behind McDonalds is a National Guard Armory and just North of that is a Care Center for the Elderly.
Only a person living here would know that kind of info. What WSClark gave, you could read out of a newspaper.
Yes, I am a Native Kansas and live in Wichita.
Well, that covers one street fairly good… But, ALL Quik Trips have been remodeled… And there a lots of other towns have QT’s as well… What WS posted is just as valid as yours… IMHO You havent proven anything, Khan… Not sure if WS has either…
One street?
Yeah, one street…wish I could count
let’s see, Woodlawn, Central, Oliver , Edgemoor, 13th…
Yeah, you’re right! That’s one street!
OK Khan, I read WS Wichita post again… Only thing I can see in there that Might have come from a newspaper, might be the item about flooded streets… The others are just as valid or invalid as yours… I gotta call it a toss up!!
Your one main drag street in all of your listings seems to be Central, with the exception of Woodlawn and 13th
You mean specific information like Rene Stevens, Spokesperson for Spangles can be seen sometimes in and around her office building just south of the Spangles on Hillside and Central?
Or the Barber who runs the shop on Hillside side called the Hair Hess was actually named after himself, Mr. Hess. There used to be a used computer shop and repair center right next to him. There is now some sort of curio and craft shop.
Or the Braums store off of Central, just east of Edgemoor that has closed for the second time. The first time, they said wasn’t enough business. The manager was a female, forgot her name. The second time it opened is when a Braum’s Store on the West side burned down and they needed to keep revenue’s flowing and employees working.
Or the Enterprise Grammar School as it used to be called. The old building was going to be torn down. The one my father went to in the 1930s. He told me that it was right next to a dairy farm.
Or the fact that I remember from the 1960s a huge Saturn Rocket test firings that used to go on at Boeing for years. That would make a deafening sound and would shake every window around Wichita.
Cowtown was also pretty small back then. I still remember the old jailhouse. It was quite small and was dark, smelly.
There were a lot of Sand Pits to fish in and Sandy Beach Lake was a place to swim.
The old Wesley Hospital was right across the street from the now new Wesley Medical Center. A hotel, Walgreens and Panera bread occupy the space now.
My grandfather showed me the bricks on Douglas because he was employed as a bricklayer in the 1920s and that was one of the roads he worked on.
His then future wife worked at the Cracker Factory along with my grandfather’s sister.
My grandmother’s family came from Pratt, where they moved from Indiana in 1879. In about 1910 they moved to Wichita and my g-g grandfather opened up a shoe store not farm from the old Dockum Drugstore.
My mother’s side of the family moved from North Carolina to Doniphan County in two moves. One before the Civil War in about 1858. Then the rest of the family after the Civil War in 1871. They settled in Brown County. My great grandfather moved to Oklahoma and when my grandfather came of age he started a farm near there until the depression got the best of him and he moved to Wichita about 1942 after his son was drafted into the Army.
My mother attended High School here as did my Dad. My father attended Friends University before he joined the Navy during WWII.
Not only that, I have relatives of all kinds near or in about every town in Kansas (or it seems like.)
Yeah, been here, lived here, family history in Kansas and there are hundreds of descendants that still live here.
Well, well… now youre gettin there… Like I said before it was a toss up between you and Clark… I could add all kinds of side notes to your last post… but it probably wouldnt make any difference to you one way or the other…
Would that be the old Duckums Drug store at 13th and Waco??
* Dockums that is
Go ahead and add notes Chas, as if you knew anything about my family history, where they been and what they have done.
And if anyone think they know Kansas values because they lived here for a few years, they would be mistaken.
My family has been here before Kansas was a State, so I would say you would be struggling to keep up on facts about Kansas.
I said nothing about your family history, if you would read… I just said I could add a lot of side notes to what you wrote about the city…
I got a hunch that Clark has been living here nearly as long s you and I have been…
Then why are you questioning me Chas and not Clark?
It shows your extreme bias to defend your Liberal Left buddies right?
As far as I know, from what he wrote, WSClark moved here in the 1980s or 1990s from Detroit, at least he said he did.
My family had already been in Kansas almost one hundred and forty years by that time.
Read upthread genius… I said as far as Clark was concerned, you and he were a toss up on what you both posted… I didnt take sides with either one of you on that one… I can read your posts and see if either one of you knows the city… You both know the city… nothing more to say about it…
Hey, I dont kinow where he comes from… But he knows the city… and obviously not in San Francisco, as was suggested upthread…
I am told that part of my Native American ancestors were living on the Plains of now western kansas, back around the time of Coronado… Another part of them came out of Florida in the Trail of Tears… I dont have any paper work on that, because Natives are notorious for oral history, not written… So, I cant prove that… My mother’s parents were here well before 1909, when she was born… Lived her entire life here till she died in 1996… My Dad’s people all came from Germany and Austria…
So you still don’t question him Chas, you question me. He knows nothing of the City of Wichita and its history other than what he read from newspapers or books. WSClark is a Northener transplant who brought with him some screwed up values.
My family history is directly aligned with the total history of Kansas. We know what Kansas is and what it stands for. All these out of state bloggers that assess their skewed values on this Blog are just clueless.
My Native roots are in my blood line… not in my adoptive family… Mothers family were part of the Germans from Russia, the Volga Germans… settling first in Ohio, then Wisconsin, and later in Wichita…
Well, then he can tell us that… the point is that neither you nor I know that… ALL that was questioned earlier was IF Clark lived in Wichita, or somewhere else… I think his post shows he lives here in this city…
YOU have been questioning many others as to where they live, or if they are out of staters… SO, I simply said for you to show us something to show YOU are from here as well… YOU DID THAT… I have no question on that…
Yeah well, I have N.A. ancestry way back then too. But not going to make a claim to it, because it is undocumented as most of them were except for the Civilized Tribes.
My g-g-g grand Uncle lived in Wichita in 1909. He would have been about 80 then. He came for an extended stay to see he children living near Viola, Hutchinson and Garden Plains.
Shoot when I was a kid, E. 13th St. was a narrow old 2 lane road east of about Woodlawn… or maybe Oliver…
Like I said, my NA ancestry is in the form of Oral Tradition… not documented on Paper… All I have are family stories…
I never questioned others where they lived, they freely admitted they don’t live in Kansas. Yet they frequent this Blog spewing their screwed up values that have nothing in common with the majority of people who live in Kansas.
I was WANTING you to mention that screwed up traffic bottle neck at Central and Woodlawn…LOL
I do believe that you made some comment, perhaps sarcastic, that Clark lived in San Francisco… but I am not going to look upthread for it… THAT was why I suggested you show everybody YOU are from here…
I dont know how to break it to you, but MANY people living in this City… even many on City Council and County Commission, are transplants… They dont know our history… or much about our roots… We are lucky to still have Cow Town, after that one idiot tried to get smoke alarms in chicken coops LOL
No, that wasn’t me, that was TT I believe. Don’t remember, I always thought WSClark lived in Wichita. it’s funny though, other than the tantrum he threw, there was no reason he couldn’t have come to the meetup sponsored by the Eagle. I was just browsing this blog at the time they were talking about the meetup.
I can tell the “outsiders” on TV and Radio as soon as they go to prounouncing street nmes, and towns surrounding Wichita… and they get them all messed up…
Arkanss Ave. Greenwich Rd. Etc.
I remember watching some weather guy talking about a storm system centered in Shawnee County, “Northwest” of Wichita… I laughed my head off at that one…
That bottleneck at Woodlawn and Central is inconvenient, but nothing like when they were working on Kellogg with Edgemore and Woodlawn cutoff North and South. That was a major inconvenience. Before that, it was the construction at Oliver and Kellogg.
I remember the Kellogg and Edgemore mess quite well, I was taking an old high school buddy out to VA for treatment and meds several times a week then… a real mess…!! Hey do you remember for years we had the “bridge to nowhere”??? They will never ever finish Kellogg!!
Well, out of towners and new people still call the R Can Sus River theR Can Saw River. You can always tell the non-natives by their speech. Like the city of El Dorado. Most people think it’s pronounced like the fabled gold mines, it’s not.
Woodlawn and Central is sure a nuisance when I need to get my wife to her eye surgeons for a 5 p.m. appointment…
Yep El Dorado is another major goof up… for the newbies…
Well, I have morning appointments… I’m outta here!!
Yeah, I remember some of the old streets, but was in the military for 12 years so missed a lot of stuff in the 1980s and early 90s.
I remember the old sand roads leading in from Derby and Haysville clear up into Wichita.
I think I was about 12 before I knew that the Turnpike everyone talked about was actually Interstate 35 as no one local ever referred to it by the latter.
OK, just a clarification here before I get to the next point we all agree that Libby’s charge was for lying or not completely telling the truth (obstructing justice), not for outing Plame.Do we all agree on this????
Thats because I-35 originally Ended at Emporia… The stretch from Topeka to Wichta was the Turnpike only, until very recently… I-235 was normally known as the By-pass… And I-135 was known as the “canal route” since I was a kid… before they ever built it, and it was argued over every week by the old City Commissioners… Turnpike was still not I-35 when I was in College… That was somewhere around 1969… I-135 wasnt all the way finished from Salina yet at that time… drove old U. S. 81 down to almost Moundridge before I hit 4-lane…
I would hope so, BeProud… since thats what it was for… LOL
Good Night now!!
The way I understand it, Libby was prosecuted for telling his version of events and Prosecutor Fitzgerald quoted testimony from FBI interviews that said reporters like Russert told a different story.
I don’t know Libby’s exact words or his recollection, but it seems to me it was a contrived charge on what he said/she said from something that happened years ago.
It should have never been brought to trial. Waste of time and resources.
“My g-g-g grand Uncle lived in Wichita in 1909. He would have been about 80 then. He came for an extended stay to see he children living near Viola, Hutchinson and Garden Plains.”
G-G-G grand uncle? Good grief, Republican, how old was he in 1909? My DAD was born in Wichita in 1910, and to even my grandkids would only be one great-grand. Your family must breed at young ages. VERY young ages.
And it’s Garden Plain, not Plains. I spent 24 years living on a farm just north of Viola.
G-G-G grand uncle? Good grief, Republican, how old was he in 1909? Posted by: RD | July 07, 2007 at 01:07 AM
He was 80, born 1828. He died before he reached 81.
er…born 1829