In a new Time magazine poll on faith and the top presidential contenders, only 15 percent of registered voters said they believe Hillary Clinton is “strongly religious,” compared with 22 percent for John Edwards and 24 percent for Barack Obama. The GOP is traditionally seen as offering the most religious candidates. But while 26 percent of registered voters think Mitt Romney has a strong faith, only 15 percent could say the same for John McCain and 13 percent for Rudy Giuliani. (That gap may be why Kansas’ conservative Sam Brownback thinks he has a shot at breaking into the top GOP tier.)
Most interestingly, 62 percent of Republicans surveyed said a president’s decisions should be guided by his faith, while 58 percent of Democrats said they should not.
This week, columnist Cal Thomas also took aim at Hillary Clinton’s Methodist faith, which he characterized as “liberal” and favoring a “constantly evolving, poll-tested relevancy to modern concerns.”
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So now the Eagle is implying that Hillary is the most pious one?
If she truly believed in the separation of church and state, she wouldn’t even talk about her faith, much less campaign at the bully pulpit of a church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTnHx5qVQU
If you haven’t seen Hillary preach befoe, the above link will give you that picture of purely pious, and black Hillary Clinton.
Can you beleive she’s the front runner for the Democrats? LOL!!!
For those who don’t think Hillary preaches much in church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&mode=related&search=
Ok, one last one, just to make sure all know how religious Hillary is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7K4BK4exc&mode=related&search=
“Most interestingly, 62 percent of Republicans surveyed said a president’s decisions should be guided by his faith, while 58 percent of Democrats said they should not.”
This might be the most telling stat of all. As I have said before, I am not religious, in fact, I am agnostic (without the hatred of religion of some other agnostics). But, it does show where the Democrat Party is and I will offer that it is not in the Main Stream.Nobody wants crazy religious people making decisions based only on their religion (1%?), but, as the poll says,”while 58 percent of Democrats said they should not [be guided by their faith].”
You people can make fun of the religious folks if you want. In fact, I encourage it. The sterotype that the Libs are “godless” is a true stereotype. Just look at the poll. That doesn’t make it right, it just makes it real.
Where does it say in the Constitution that “religious faith” is a matter of consideration for ANY elected, OR appointed official… In Fact, the Constitution expressly FORBIDS using religious faith as a consideration for the appointment of Federal Judges!! Read it and weep NeoCons!!
Fleet… WHY would you want to make fun of the Dems, just because they like following the intentions of the Founders, and choose to leave religious faith, to the life of the individual???
Oh thats right, some of you guys dont think the Constitution is there for anything other than protecting gun owners…
Man’s beginnings started with believing in something supernatural, religion or superstition was how man tried to understand what was happening in his environment.Are we to believe that all politicians or is it the voters are not capable of evolving beyond the Homo habilis mentality?
Let’s examine the people who wish to revise History that our founding fathers were not Christians and that Christianity had no influence in the forming of our government.
How the three branches of our government came about.
James Madison:
“At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;“For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver,the LORD is our king;He will save us.”
George Washington:
“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”
“During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the Constitution but added several religious components to that official ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words “So help me God!” to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible. “
Liberty Bell Inscription:“ Proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof” [Leviticus 25:10]
New England Primer:Used in public and private schools from 1690 to 1900 second only to the BibleSome of its contents:A song of praise to GodPrayers in Jesus’ nameThe famous Bible alphabetShorter Catechism of faith in Christ
John Adams and John Hancock:We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
John Adams:“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
Alexander Hamilton:• Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:(1) Christianity(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.“The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.”
Patrick Henry:”Orator of the Revolution.”• This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
John Jay:“ Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.
Thomas Jefferson:“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
Samuel Johnston:• “It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.[Elliot's Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]
Noah Webster:“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed…No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]
Those who deny that the Christian faith and the very foundations of our government are one and the same, only need the words of our founding fathers as displayed above.
WHERE is GOD in the Constitution of the United States?? WHERE do you find CHRISTIAN in the Constitution of the United States?? Where do you find BIBLE in the Constitution of the United States?? Where do you find the claim that the United States is a Christian-bsed Nation in the Constitution of the United States??
Simple answer: IT ISNT THERE!!!
You WILL find in the Constitution of the United States, a prohibition of using a person’s religious beliefs, as a basis for appointing justices to the Federal Courts… THAT you WILL find in the Constitution of the United States…
These poll stats are suspicious to me. If the people polled were asked, “Do you think a president’s decisions should be guided by law, ethics and morality?” then I think Republicans and Democrats would both answer in similar high numbers. Another point is that 90+% of Americans believe in God. Do you think Fleetwood that all of the Democrats in this country make up just the other 10%? That would be a remarkably non-sensical conclusion if you did.
These stereotypes serve the interests of the religious right, just like it serves the Republican National Committee to promote the stereotype that only Republicans are patriotic – this is so dense and stupid – Arlington National Cemetary is full of Democrats as is the Normandy Beach graveyard, and the names on the Vietnam War Memorial.
If we are ever going to resurrect like a Phoenix a national unity of purpose and spirit, we need to start remembering what unites us and what common goals and desires we all have, and start promoting those images for our children to observe and imitate, and stop this character assassination we call ” presidential politics”.
Here’s one to think on…
When we invaded Iraq, it was called Operation “Shock and Awe” –
Those words — heard by a Jew, or Palestinian, or even an Arab, come across as the Hebrew word, Shekinah… Sha – Kein – Ahh.. A Hebrew word for “The Glory of God”.
BUSHCO was intentionally lighting the fires of religious tension by using that TERM for the invasion of Iraq… It asserted that BUSH was claiming to invade with The Glory of God!!
BUSH buys into Evangelical Christian Fundamentalism, as far as “last days” are concerned… Unfortunately, Moslem radicals are ALSO looking for the last days… reference the nut President of Iran, looking for the coming of the Mahdi…(Messiah)….
BUSHCO is acting as if they believe 9/11 was the beginning of what fundamentalists call the 7 years of the Great Tribulation…
BUSH wont do ANYthing about pulling out troops, until AFTER 9/11, 2008… (Thus he keeps saying that the end of the War is not in his hands) The idiot believes God, or The Second Coming, or some kind of religious intervention — will solve the WAR problem for him!!
THIS is the kind of Lunacy we are fighting for in Iraq – NOT trying to find Bin Laden, or any of the other hyperbole… BUSH CO believes they are bringing in the Last Days of Creation!!
Congress needs to STOP the Lunacy of BUSH CO immediately!!
I am still wondering what kind of minister Chas is. I mean he distances himself from God at every opportunity he gets. It’s like he’s ashamed of the Bible and God. He certainly appears not to be a Christian as much as he rails against it.
And Chas, the Constitution is a secular document meant as guidance. Your exclamation points stating that this and that isn’t in the Constitution isn’t really necessary to make your point.
The formation of the Constitution comes from ideas of the various State’s constitutions and several Constitutional Societies of which a lot where Christian based.
I have never witnessed any minister of any faith so adverse to the mention of God and the Bible as you Chas.
Then, your experience with Progressive Christianity is extremely limited… Which is not a shock to me…
Keep FAITH in the Church House, and keep LAW in the Houses of Government… That is what the Constitution itself says…
Give me a candidate guided by morals over one guided by faith!
Has anyone read the book titled, “UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN,” by Jon Krakauer?
It’s a clear-eyed look at Mormonism’s violent past and the underbelly of the most successful homegrown faith in the United States; it examines fundamentalist zealots, “divinely inspired” crime and should be a warning of where we are headed by allowing those on the fringe of our society too much power. Although this book is written about Mormon Fundamentalists, we should all be more aware of the dangers of ALL violent religions.
If you are more aware of radical Muslims since nine eleven, realize there are dangerous zealots in every religion who are possessed of the idea they are doing God’s bidding.
Well said Linda
Well, the Khan is right back to his PERSONAL attacks, when he has nothing else to say… LOL… The conversion was short lived!! I am also not surprised at that…
Then, your experience with Progressive Christianity is extremely limited… Which is not a shock to me…
Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Progressive Christianity?
Is that the same as being Secular Chas?
You can’t pick and choose the teachings of Christ and declare yourself to be Christian.
Even JESUS does not favor taking your religion to the streets… He says those who do so, have already received their reward… namely, they have been recognized… He says keep your religion and your prayers to yourself… (Sermonon the Mount)
Ohhh Nooo Now the Khan sees something wrong with being Secular!! According to the Fundamentalists of HIS day, Jesus was a secularist… He HEALED a man on the Sabbath… which was against THEIR rules… But, HE didnt care… He knew better…
So you are saying you are an equal with Jesus Christ Chas?
You can’t pick and choose the teachings of Christ and declare yourself to be Christian.
Posted by: Kansas | July 15, 2007 at 09:22 AM
YOU dont seem to have a problem doing that very thing!!
NO… St. Paul says that FOR me… “Heirs with Christ,” Paul calls it… However, it was something DONE FOR us… not something WE have earned or done for ourselves… Thats also in the Bible, Khan…. Go read it some time… its full of nice little jewels of the Reformation!!
Jesus was a secularist..
And you’re a minister.Don’t you have somewhere to go on Sunday morning?
Does feeding the hungry make me an equal with Christ?? NO.. Does clothing the naked make me an equal with Christ?? NO.. Does following the lead of Jesus as to doing what is right, make me an equal with Christ?? NO.. WHY would you even insinuate that following the ways of the Teacher, makes the student an equal with the Teacher?? That is simply a crazy notion…
Outlander — Jesus WAS a Secularist, according to the standards of HIS time… He allowed, encouraged, his Disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath.. He healed a man on the Sabbath.. Those were things NOT done at his time, because the rulers of the “church” of that time said it was wrong… JESUS said it was RIGHT…
I’ll be back in three hours or so. Keep on making excuses for yourself Chas.
At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;“For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver,the LORD is our king;He will save us.”
Posted by: Kansas
Isn’t it a shame that your beloved Republican leaders have soiled the perfect 3-branch government by thinking the Executive Branch is immune to any and all charges. Bush and Cheney have screwed the Constitution so many times and yet you still support the Bush gang. And to add further insult to injury, you quote Scripture to justify your ideas.
Yes, I do believe the Founding Fathers used their faith when constructing our form of government but you might want to read the real history of the Founding Fathers. Most of them were Deists – not Christians.
Oh good… the Khan is leaving… or whatever… or hiding… or trolling… or something like that… LOL
Nice one Fred… how true about the founders… Very much Deists… FAR from the Born Again drivel we have today…
The key to the religion in government issue is to recognize that the Constitution isn’t anti-religion; it’s non-religious.
It’s a separate set of rules — like the rules for baseball — in which religious belief doesn’t prevent you from participation, it simply doesn’t matter who or how you worship. It’s still 90 feet between the bases, 3 strikes and you’re out.
Nothing prevents you from being a good practicing Methodist or Jew or Muslim and holding public office in America. But the Constitution speficically and implicitly prevents any theology from being the basis for civil law.
When I was in high school, the bishop of the local Catholic church decreed that basketball players for the parochial school *not* cross themselves before attempting a free throw… unless they shot 80% or better.
Who is Cal Thomas to question Hillary’s Methodist beliefs? Did I miss the memo that made Cal Thomas God?
Cal Thomas is one of those fundamental Christian zealots that actually believe they are doing the bidding of the one true God. Even their leader Pat Robertson has a direct line to talk to God and God speaks to Pat, and only Pat. That alone makes this whole thing creepy.
“But the Constitution speficically and implicitly prevents any theology from being the basis for civil law.”
That’s the rub isn’t it? Our morality has it’s basis in religion.
It’s fine to have your moral base in religion, or anywhere else you WANT to have it… But our LAW is based not on what you believe, but on the NON-religious Constitution…. As was said upthread… The Constitution is not ANTI-religion, just NON-religious…
The big problm we have now, are these right wing radical American Talibans who want to MAKE our LAW a religious LAW… And that is WRONG
Morality does not require a religious belief… Never has, and never will… Thats another one of the fallacies of the Religious Right… They keep preaching that you cant have Morality without the Bible, or without God, or without Christianity… The religious right is probably very squirmy about being such strong supporters of Jo Liebermann… because he is not of their FAITH…
Chas: I don’t have time to get into it now, but morality (right and wrong) have their basis in religion. Becasue the root s are so deep, it is impossible to be a truly secular society, or to have a truly secular system of government.
I know alot of non-religious people that have better morals than the religious people.
How do you explain a church leader who is found with a gay prostitute using drugs, or a Catholic priest who is molesting altar boys, or the church deacon who is molesting his own daughter or the preacher who gets a 16 yr old pregnant?
Wouldn’t these things be a moral issue that would be have a basis in these people’s religion? But yet when caught, these very same religious people are ‘forgiven’ by their supporters.
But there is nothing but condemnation for the non-religious people who have never even entertained the thought of such deviant behavior. Why?
But the non-relgi
Outlander… I am very sorry… But you are totally WRONG that morality has its basis in religion… ONLY in certain religious sects is that a true statement… Morality is a sense of right and wrong… NOT a religious base… PLEASE go read on it before you make such narrow-issue statements…
“Outlander” wrote –
“That’s the rub isn’t it? Our morality has it’s basis in religion.”
No. Unless you’re trying to make the case that murder and theft and adultery were considered just groovy until Moses came down from Mt. Sainai.
There are plenty of non-religious reasons a civilization proscribes murder and theft. Such questions of morality did not come from a “god,” but from mere mortals. Religionists of all stripes have have adopted traditional moral standards in their theologies, but basic morality is a human construct.
Kansas aka Republican.
I am guessing you got those quotes, some of which have been discredited, from here:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/
Or from some site which regurgitated Barton’s shoddy scholarship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton
Note how Barton was caught in a flat out lie about what he said about Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Here is Boston’s critique of Barton.
http://candst.tripod.com/boston1.htm
I think you are right on target there Agnostic… But, you have to keep posting that kind of thing now days, because the right wing pulpits have all taken to using those “discredited” quotes ALL the time as if they are LAW… And I also get a real bang out of all the quotes that happened BEFORE the Constitution was ratified… And I note that those spurious arguments against the election of non-Christians to the presidency never even made it to the Table of the Constitutional Convention… GOOD POST Agnostic!!
Perhaps some should educate themselves on what the founding fathers were and were not.
May I suggest starting here at the Library of Congress.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html
Fleet… WHY would you want to make fun of the Dems, just because they like following the intentions of the Founders, and choose to leave religious faith, to the life of the individual???
Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 03:01 AM
Were Hillary and Barrack choosing to leave religious faith to the life of the individual when they both appeared in Chuch to campaign together?
Campaigning in Church Chas, hmmm…Secular?
Not sure what “progressive” religion you proclaim to have, but now I understand why you are unemployed.
Never heard of a Secular Minister before, guess that explains why you are NOT in church this morning.
“Well, the Khan is right back to his PERSONAL attacks, when he has nothing else to say… LOL… The conversion was short lived!! I am also not surprised at that…”
Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 09:20 AM
Back to your baseless assumptions I see Chas. Calling someone Khan when you do NOT know this to be true says what about your Christian faith?
You should be used to personal attacks by now, you throw a lot of stones yourself you know.
When you find your self in a weak position from a logical/rational standpoint Chas, which you do quite frequently, it’s amazing how quickly you resort to emotional/personal attacks yourself.
lhg – how arrogant of you to question Chas’s religious faith. Is that what your God tells you to do – pass judgement on others? That is not what the KJV Bible states. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Maybe you should busy yourself by cleaning up your own backyard and keep your nose out of your neighbor’s backyard.
We have a jesus freak in office now and look how well that’s done us. What we don’t need is another person who hears voices telling him to invade a country to start a religious war for corporate profits. Let’s try for someone a bit more grounded to reality.
Fred, all is fair for your Lib buddies? I don’t see you scolding them for their personal attacks.
Oh, that’s right, YOU judge others on a personal religious basis when you don’t agree with YOUR position.
Ok. I understand now.
Have a nice day.
I see you aren’t in church either this morning?
oops, a sin, I meant:
Oh, that’s right, YOU judge others on a personal religious basis when THEY don’t agree with YOUR position.
Hillary has always been religious. Now I know this might come as a surprise to you, but her religion is private to her, and it doesn’t interfere with her ability to run the nation according to the laws of this nation.
This is also why I like Gov. Sebelius. She’s very religious too, she just doesn’t have to flaunt it nor push it on others.
Clinton and Obbama were NOT campaigning in a Religious Worship Service — Once again, check your facts, before you spout!! LOL Church buildings have been used for numerous public gatherings… THAT is not even close to what I have been saying, and what’s more, YOU KNOW THAT before you start your diatribe against MY religion… You are no better than those “born again” idiots that shouted down that Hindu Holy Man trying to Pray in Congress the other day…. You want only YOUR religion, and YOUR narrow minded interpretation of it…
I got news for you… There are a LOT of progressive folks out here, and you are just beginning to hear from us, because we are sick and tired of being told that only ONE SET of religious thinkers has the RIGHT LINE on God!!
lhg, you have NO CLUE what secular even means… Why dont you use a dictionary, or a religious encyclopedia… you know, something beyond your own gray matter… for a change…
Chas explodes in an out-of-control fit!
Wow Chas! Get closer to God will ya! You might find peace there.
I see you aren’t in church either this morning?
Posted by: lhg
And you aren’t either – I presume?
Never proclaimed my self to be the holy one.
Chas has.
Thats a LIE lhg… I would never claim such a thing, because I know better…
The problem with religion is that it pits one group against another. Why is it that religious people have to feel superior to others to make themselves feel better? Why do they have to go to church, sit in the pew, give their money to their preacher so they get their head patted for the week for being such a good little boy/girl. That is not religion – that is church going.
Real religion is what you live during the week – not just on Sunday where the preacher sees you.
Whenever anyone starts spewing how religious they are – I can guarantee you that person is hiding something. today’s fundamental churches are a business and not a true church. That is the problem with these religious zealots who try to control everyone else but cannot seem to control their own kind who seem to be obsessed with sex.
The congregation of my membership is not in this city… didnt feel like driving to Houston for services this morning…
Let’s see, Separation of Church and state – GOOD THING.
Let’s see, Democrats Clinton and Obama campaigning in Church – GOOD THING?
So are they truly part of the religious-nut crowd or are they just pandering (Acting!) to the religious crowd of voters?
Y’all just Have To see these videos! Hahahahahahahaha…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7K4BK4exc&mode=related&search=
Thats my point exactly, Red…
Well, well… it seems that lgh now sees YouTube as somehow authoritative on something of importance??? Guess that tells us a LOT….
Look, there is nothing wrong with a Church BUILDING being used to host a meeting… happens all the time, every day of the week somewhere… Gee, many voting places are in churches… they are considered safe places to vote…
BOTH of those clips are fairly well used by now… been on every talking head neo con show in the country ad nauseum… And I dont know what it is supposed to prove??? Hillary trying to be faithful to the quotation she is reading?? Like “character” acting??? And SOME folks want to use it for character assasination!! Shameful!!
Anybody got a link to that great picture of Bush reading to school children, and the book is UPSIDE DOWN??? I think for every time they gripe about Hillary’s speech, we ought to post that link of Bush reading upside down… LOL
I remember when church buildings used to be considered ‘neutral’ places. Now, thanks to the Religious fundamantal zealots, churches are more polarized than the American voters.
And that is sad because a church, no matter what denomination, should be seen as a safe haven for anyone truly looking for spiritual guidance.
God must be very sad to see what some churches have become today.
Chas you hate YouTube because it shows the picture of your Hillary Girl you don’t want to see. It’s a video clip from a news report. Go ahead, dispute it, claim that it was made up.
Its just a picture of the reality you don’t want to see. Hillary is a phony, fraud, she’ll morph into any lie or any accent, whatever it takes to get her Power, she’ll do it.
As for your attack on Bush, he’s not running in 2008. Go ahead, bash him all you want, that’s what your Dem’s will do for the next 18 months.
After all – the Dems have nothin but Socialism to offer America.
The 4.5% poor unemployed will love that. Those that are living off of everyone else and not paying their own way will love that.
Yup, that’s about 50% of America by now.
I know it isnt made up… I happened to see that particular event on live link… I find nothing wrong with what she said, or her use of the accent… Now, from a staging point of view, I think she needs some work on her speech delivery, and on her use of accent in quoting from another speech, such as shown in the clip…
But, to say it is made up, that is hogwash… I KNOW it isnt made up… Viva Hillary!!Viva Obama!!
Thats true Red… and sadly, most of them have to be locked… even in small towns… If not, they get vandalized!!Shameful!!
Now, if you want to talk about her style of speech delivery, or her use of a theatrical aide, then go for it… because she needs some serious work there…
Oh yea, and if Hillary wins the nomination??? I MIGHT even vote for her… depending on whats going on in the country… who her running mate is… and who is running against her…
Hillary “Hog Futures” Clinton must worship a God that endorses infanticide, sodomy, and miraculously profitable commodities transactions.
Republicans don’t like socialism because they feel everyone needs to take care of themselves. Okay, I agree with that statement up to a point. There are those in our society that have no means to take care of themselves. I believe that our country will be judged by the way we treat those that cannot help themselves.
But here is a question, why do so many Republicans vote to give subsidies to the corporate world? Why do corporations need a handout from the government – shouldn’t they just take care of themselves?
Hillary “Hog Futures” Clinton must worship a God that endorses infanticide, sodomy, and miraculously profitable commodities transactions.
Posted by: parkay
But if a Republican has made miacrulously profitable commodities transaction, that would be okay with you?
And who is for sodomy? Let’s see how many Republican politicians and church leaders have been caught in that boat lately?
As for infanticide – it is abortion. And that is a debate that has been going on for years and will continue to go on for years. Do you really think abortion didn’t happen in the good old days before Roe vs. Wade? Of course it did, doctors performed them and called them miscarriages.
Actually, infanticide is the killing of LIVE infants and children… not even abortion… and it is totally disingenious for ANYbody on this Blog or anywhere else, to make a statement that Hillary worships such a Deity…. She has said repeatedly what she is… She is and has been for YEARS a member of the United Methodist Church…
Now, ding a ling… You want to take on the ENTIRE United Methodist Church??? They are very connectional you know…
Oh, and while you’re at it, why dont you check on your beloved Republican candidates, to see what kinds of “private investments” THEY have made that paid off good… If you dont have any knowledge of live stock markets, you shouldnt make wild eyed speculations about something outside of your knowledge base…
ANYbody ANYwhere who had any kind of investment in Hog Futures on the SAME day as Hillary had hers, ALSO made the same kind of huge profit on investment… And yet, the ONLY one who was questioned was Hillary Clinton??
Why do you think there was NOTHING to be prosecuted on that matter??? It was LEGAL… and totally dependent on the Hog Futures Markets…
Maybe parkay, you should look up the investment listings for THAT DAY, and find out how many OTHER ordinary investors made a real clean-up that day as well… and then why dont you poke fun at them while you are at it???
Whats the matter?? You jealous cause your Lottery Ticket didnt win???
Parkay is such a fake.
Parkay= Troyboy
Troyboy?? as in O.R.???
I think Hilary would make a better black preacher than she would a president.
Either way, she still needs work on her delivery style, and dialect quotes… ROFL
Oh, thanks for the quote from Cal F***ing Thomas, because a big old column dominating the Op-ed page twice a week just isn’t enough.
Cal Thomas was Vice-President of the so-called “Moral Majority” for five years. Falwell was the founder and most prominent spokesman.
If The Eagle is going to run this guy so much, they should issue a proviso after every column that he was part of Jerry Falwell’s political action committee.
But… but… CapN… Khan and friends keep complaining that the Eagle is so LFTIST ROFL
OK Cramit… YOU know where you can Cram It!!! Idiot!!! And no, you are not cute…
MELTDOWN ALERT!!!MELTDOWN ALERT!!!MELTDOWN ALERT!!!
Attention, associates in grocery!
We have a clean-up on aisle nine. Clean-up on aisle nine.
Thank you,
The Management
Is anybody else getting extremely fed up with this CRAP???
Looks like the great Khan is in MELTDOWN mode… Gee, somebody must have suspended him from the Blog…. what a pity…
My my my …
Somebody is having a very severe nose candy attack.
***CON*** is melting down again because Bush cost the Repubs the 06 elections and will soon cost them the next 16 – 24 years of elections.
Chas, as a preacher, you are OK with Hillary’s position on abortion? On partial-birth abortion, she’s all for it!
And give me a break, you truly, really, honest to God, think Hillary looked OK in these videos?
You must truly be a brain-washed died-in-the-wool Democrat to believe that!
You know, I like Kerry or Gore better than any of the 3 leading Dems today. Is anyone truly, really don’t pull my leg now, 100% for Clinton, Obama, or Edwards? Yikes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7K4BK4exc&mode=related&search=
Another ***CON*** meltdown alert!
Another LIB childish deflection attempt.
Afraid to look at the Hillary videos?
Afraid to look in the mirror too I bet.
You must have tons of guilt for living off of working people for so long. Ever earn a dime in your life? I doubt it.
Next you’ll call me a troll or some other name your lame brain can think of.
Meltdown.
Do NOT look at the Hillary Clinton links above.
Very embarrassing.
If she would just stop opening her mouth, her true self wouldn’t be revealed to all.
Now where is that muzzle….
Happy, you won’t be happy any more when you have to get a job and support yourself someday.
The Conservatives will soon stop working for you.
Then you can either work for a living or die.
more meltdown….
Ya can’t handle the truth can ya…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7K4BK4exc&mode=related&search=
No one listens to a meltdown…they just…
WALK ON BY
Amazing the responses from the Libs. When they can’t face the truth, they just turn into children. No wonder you loved Hillary’s videos.
When you see it walking down the street, and you chance to meet
Walk on by da dah DAH de DAH DAH
Walk on by da dah DAH de DAH DAH
Perfect child like example Capn.
Thank you for proving my point.
Why does lhg think conservatives are working for everyone else? the conservatives I know delight in getting their taxpayer subsidies but they don’t want anyone else to get that damn welfare check.
A taxpayer subsidy is the same thing as welfare. Conservatives are the first ones to the public money trough trampling over everybody else.
That’s why libs have always called them pigs.
I DARE anybody here to find ONE time when Hillary has been in favor of Partial Birth Abortion…
YES I am a Preacher… and YES, by GOD I believe in a woman’s right to CHOOSE!!!
Why??? Because I believe in Divine Forgiveness, NOT based on the merits of humans, but on the gifts of God’s GRACE!!!
Now, just get off my back on MY Theology, just becauise it isnt some narrow minded fundamentalist diatribe against human freedom of thought…
Furthermore, what I believe is really none of you Reich Wingers business…. GET IT??
My opinions are just as plausible to be posted here, without your GD threats, as yours… At least we attack the MESSAGE… until the mesenger attacks US, and then, we will attack you HARD and ROUGH if necessary!!!
“your GD threats” Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 09:37 PM
Evidently not a believer in the ten commandments about not taking the Lord’s name in vain.
Kansas, you take the Lord’s name in Vain, just by your existence… I am tired of your phony Crap… and I am NOT playing your game anymore… What YOU think of my beliefs, is of NO concern to ME…. YOU are not of my Faith… That means your opinion of it is worthless…. GET IT???
And when I said GD threats… I mean just that… YOUR threats are Damned by GOD!!!
Chas….back away…the man who Brownlee called the worst troll ever…is ill…melted down…battle fatigue…their coming to take him away soon!
Its been fun…night y’all…gotta work tomorrow…God Bless you all!
Soooo Brownlee called him that, huh??? I s ure hope somebody comes to take him away….
nite happy!!
Good Night, Good Luck, and God Bless, Who/Whatever you conceive of God to be…
Wow that Chas guy is a preacher? I don’t beleive it. Talk about a meltdown…
Hillary Clinton voted against the partial birth abortion ban.
So she is for partial birth abortions.
probably voted against it because it didnt have anything in it about saving the life of the mother
Actually, PK, the law does have an exemption for the life of the mother.
For anyone to argue that Hillary is against abortion, is like arguing that Hitler was a great man.
then it must have been a federal statute, and she believes such matters are properly decided in the individual states
Hillary Clinton Voting Record for Abortion:
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Recommended by EMILY’s List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
well, at least she is pro-choice which is the law of the land
“I DARE anybody here to find ONE time when Hillary has been in favor of Partial Birth Abortion”
—Chas, see 11:58 post above.
“YES I am a Preacher… and YES, by GOD I believe in a woman’s right to CHOOSE!!!
Why??? Because I believe in Divine Forgiveness, NOT based on the merits of humans, but on the gifts of God’s GRACE!!!”
—So Chas I can rape and murder and do what I want, because God will forgive me anyway. I can knowingly and intentionally do whatever I want, then just be sorry for it later, go to confession and I’m ok with God.
“Now, just get off my back on MY Theology, just becauise it isnt some narrow minded fundamentalist diatribe against human freedom of thought…”
—Anti-fundamentalist religion is one you can twist and turn and modify to make it whatever you want it to be. Jim Jones did this too.
Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 09:37 PM
—The rest of your post is not something I would expect from any preacher of any faith, regarless of how “modernized” their religion claims to be.
Chas, you need to get some help.
Warhawk–
What’s your position on Sen. Vitter who availed himself of prostitutes for decades and then explained it all away as “sin” for which he had been “forgiven”?
WaHawk I suggest you tend to your own belief system, IF you have one.. and leave others alone… What YOU think of my faith is NOT MY concern… Why is it yours???
Seems to me that folks who want to meddle in the beliefs of others, are the ones who need help… Oh, and, by the way… Many conidered Jim Jones to be a conservative fundamentalist… up to the time he left to found his Cult City, Jonestown… I knew Jim Jones… I am doubtful that YOU did…
I wonder if this post crosses the line of censorship? Or could be a cause to excommunicate?
“Kansas, you take the Lord’s name in Vain, just by your existence… I am tired of your phony Crap… and I am NOT playing your game anymore… What YOU think of my beliefs, is of NO concern to ME…. YOU are not of my Faith… That means your opinion of it is worthless…. GET IT???
And when I said GD threats… I mean just that… YOUR threats are Damned by GOD!!!”
Posted by: Chas. | July 15, 2007 at 09:52 PM
No, I think what crosses the line are the THREATS that Chas. was complaining about.
Take the log out of your own eye, and then you might be able to see the speck in your neighbor’s.
Both mine and HTT’s were just comments not threats.
Of course the Fisting group thinks anything that anyone writes that is not of the Liberal singled-cell common brain is a threat.
SO, the troll openly admits that he was using “Holier Than Thou” Just as phony as we all know he is…
Of course, your very use of the term “fisting” is a sexual inuendo in and of itself… So, is the pot trying to call the kettle by some dark color???
Gotta save this stuff… the nite the Troll tripped on his own keyboard ROFLMBO!!!
Yeah, Brownlee all but said that ReplagiarPuke is the “worst troll on the blog” and so ReplagiarPuke comes back with “Brownlee was talking about IAN!”
Except . . . ReplagiarPuke supposedly wasn’t even posting when Ian was posting.
What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive . . .
True… True…
Tis a good thing Khan doesnt know our real names, etc.
Oh isn’t that funny, if one votes against the fundie view on abortion, that means they LIKE abortions.
Nobody likes abortion. But there are legitimate reasons for it. And punishing women by not allowing them to happen is hurting women in droves.
There are many reasons a woman may choose to have a late-term abortion. I’m proud of Hillary’s stance on keeping abortion legal for those who need it.