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Many people did the same for Clinton too. 8 years of teeth gritting. Why didn’t Clinton get Osama? Bush was left with Clinton’s mess.
Clinton, 70% approval rating.Bush, 28% approval rating.
A lot less gritting of teeth.
“Why didn’t Clinton get Osama? Bush was left with Clinton’s mess.” Posted by: Wahawk | July 14, 2007 at 01:09 AM
Well now, Bush has had since Jan. 20, 2001 to get OBL, let’s see, that’s over 6 1/2 years now.
“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” President Bush, 9/13/01
“I want justice…There’s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive, 7/17/01
“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him. … And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.” Press ConferenceMarch 13, 2002
“Because he’s hiding” Bush, explaining why Osama bin Laden has yet to be captured. Washington Post interview, 1/16/05
“I want justice…There’s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive, 7/17/01
Should have been 9/17/01
“NBC’s Richard Engel joined host Tucker Carlson today to discuss the recent claims by the Bush Administration that Al Qaeda is at it’s strongest since 9/11 and Engel’s fantastic report in which he was allowed to get an up-close interview an Al Qaeda cell in Jordan. Engel’s report completely debunks Bush’s fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here meme. The members of the cell make it clear that Iraq is their biggest recruiting tool and that they can move freely in and out of Iraq to anywhere in the world to recruit and train new members.”
See the interview here.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/13/al-qaeda-is-getting-stronger-richard-engel-says-its-all-about-iraq/
kcdude, you trust al qadeda to tell the truth?
I do when there are intelligence reports to back it up.
Is Iraq A Terrorist “University?”
Exclusive: Intelligence Details Training Grounds For Jihadist Fighters, And HowThey Are Branching Out
(CBS) With U.S. forces putting the pressure on al Qaeda strongholds and the military admitting top leaders have escaped, intelligence agencies have come to an ominous conclusion: Al Qaeda fighters who slip away are ready to expand their fight to Europe and the Gulf, CBS News correspondent Sheila MacVicar reports.
A letter from al Qaeda’s No. 2, intercepted last month, urged foreign fighters to take their campaign of terror beyond Iraq’s borders.
The jihadi veterans of Iraq are battled-hardened survivors of the world’s toughest urban guerilla fighting, against some of the world’s best soldiers.
“If you survive that, you’re able to do anything, essentially,” said Thomas Sanderson of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Sanderson, an expert in global terror threats, is preparing to publish a year-long study tracking foreign fighters. CBS News took a look at the report.
“You have that impact that says ‘I survived that all of those factor, all of those groups that were arrayed against me,’ and that gives you a sense of infallibility and lethality,” Sanderson said.
In an audiotape posted on the Internet, one insurgent leader describes it this way: If Afghanistan was a school, says Abu Omar al Baghdadi, Iraq is a university of terrorism.
“They’ve been able to learn how to miniaturize bombs, how to surveil, how to countersurveil, how to snipe, how to escape,” Sanderson said. “How to use safe houses, how to disguise themselves.”
And how to move around the region with ease. Intelligence sources tell CBS News that under pressure from the United States, the route in through Syria is now largely closed. In some cases jihadists are using European airports with direct flights to northern Iraq.
The trip out now takes survivors to neighboring Arab states, North Africa and Europe.
The impact is spreading.
In Lebanon, al Qaeda veterans from Iraq held off U.S.-equipped Lebanese special forces for a month.
In Algeria, a bombing campaign carried out by local Islamists allied with al Qaeda used techniques imported from Iraq. Intelligence agencies call Algeria the “gateway” to Europe.
French intelligence acknowledges tracking about 30 people they know have left France for Iraq. A dozen are dead, a dozen more in custody. The rest have vanished, and the French admit they do not know where they are.
But they do know they’re part of a new generation of terrorists. In the words of one analyst, they are “rock stars” to their followers — trained in war, committed to destruction … and some of them may be headed our way.
© MMVII, CBS Interactive, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
“I suspect people pick up with Mr. Bush the sense that part of his drama, part of the story of his presidency, is that he gets to be the romantic about history, and the American people get to be the realists. Of the two, the latter is not the more enjoyable role.
Americans have always been somewhat romantic about the meaning of our country, and the beacon it can be for the world, and what the Founders did. But they like the president to be the cool-eyed realist, the tough customer who understands harsh realities.
With Mr. Bush it is the people who are forced to be cool-eyed and realistic. He’s the one who goes off on the toots. This is extremely irritating, and also unnatural. Actually it’s weird.”–Noonan, at Phillip’s link
What’s also weird is how well Noonan “gets it” about Bush in so short a time (she gave up on Bush publicly only a couple months ago).
A little off topic, but these paragraphs are examples of why Noonan has stuck around as a political writer since the 1960s. She has it exactly right about Bush. She is a quick study.
Also, from her article: yeah, what the heck ever happened to BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome)?!? LOL, remember when that was a cute rejoinder from those in the cult?
“That phrase suggested that to passionately dislike the president was to be somewhat unhinged. No one thinks that anymore.”
No one? Ouch!
“What’s also weird is how well Noonan “gets it” about Bush in so short a time…She is a quick study.”
6 years is not a short time. If Noonan was a quick study, as a Reagan/Bush insider, she should have seen what the nation was getting with Bush/Cheney years, decades, ago.
I don’t give Peggy Noonan credit for finally “getting it” at all. Not after all the partisan cheerleading she’s been doing for the past several years. She should have, and probably did, know better.
Sure, Tom. Noonan’s column was about how she feels. My point is that Noonan pretty much nailed how those of us who for the past 6 years FEEL about Bush. Her language pretty much summed up how I feel, and have felt for the past 6 years. Since she’s been writing in support of the GOP for that past quarter century plus, to turn around and write so eloquently now means she’s a “quick study.”
I also take your point about likely differences between what she thinks and what she writes.
That said, I still think her column published just after the election in 2004 was a classic lesson for the Democrats, if only they’d have listened. It was great stuff.
Rhonda Holman picked up on this as well, once, and wrote about how the Democrats need to be more serious if they want to win elections. Rhonda got S K E W E R E D here for that blog post, too.
little bush, worst president ever!
For me it takes a lot of teeth grinding to listen to him deliver “prepared” speeches, but when he pauses and says, “In other words…,” well, I know it’s gonna get really bad. If his mind wanders as badly as the words it produces how does he even do the everyday like dress? We all know the truth behind the symbolic, “The Emperor has no clothes,” but I guess we should feel lucky he is capable of that simple task in reality.
He is an embarrassment but that’s not the worst of it; I feel he is an enemy, a dangerous enemy.
Americans can’t fire the president right now, so they’re waiting it out. They can tell a pollster how they feel-Congress too.
Many people did the same for Clinton too. 8 years of teeth gritting. Why didn’t Clinton get Osama? Bush was left with Clinton’s mess.-He was left with a lot more than Clinton’s. 25 years of sweeping the Muslism carpet under the rug.
He is an embarrassment but that’s not the worst of it; I feel he is an enemy, a dangerous enemy.Posted by: lindainks55 | July 14, 2007 at 08:40 AM
I too often get this feeling. Sometimes it’s very strong (I couldn’t watch the “Mission Accomplished” speech at all because I was nearly physically ill just from seeing Bush in a flight suit), and sometimes not so strong. And frankly I always laugh when I hear Bush pronounce “nuclear” as “nukUH-lur” — that always cracks me up.
But yeah, I find it impossible to take Bush seriously as a leader. There is no way I’m following that idiot anywhere.
People who think Iraq is the frontline in the war on Islamic terrorism can’t understand how this works. For example, check out Eagle Beak’s alter ego postings, his laments about American surrender and nuclear holocaust. These people just don’t understand that the US isn’t headed in the same direction with respect to Iraq because more than half the country just can’t take Bush seriously.
This is a direct byproduct of Bush: half or more of the country is now without anybody we think of as a real president, much less a Commander in Chief.
One thing I know, and that is that things can only get better in January, 2009. There can’t be anybody in serious running for the president who’s any worse. Or who, in the (paraphrased) words of Noonan, acts like the court jester yet insists Americans respond as if such emptyheaded behavior is leadership. Surely.
(I couldn’t watch the “Mission Accomplished” speech at all because I was nearly physically ill just from seeing Bush in a flight suit)–me, at 9:19 AM
I should clarify. Very shortly after running roughshod over clear thinking in the runup to Iraq, and shortly after the first exercise in American Pre-emptive War, the sight of the President of the United States of America strutting like a peacock on the deck of a US naval vessel (a weapon designed in no small measure to physically manifest a projection of US power) made me sick to my stomach.
That episode made Bush and his administration an enemy of us all, in my mind. At least a serious enemy of all things I hold dear about the USA.
And WTF is up with THIS?
“Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) revealed on Friday afternoon that the White House and Pentagon were holding up a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigation into the friendly fire death of former professional football player and Army Corporal Patrick Tillman.
“The Committee wrote to White House Counsel Fred Fielding seeking ‘all documents received or generated by any official in the Executive Office of the President’ relating to Corporal Tillman’s death,” noted a press release from the Committee.
But the White House has apparently again invoked its executive privilege to hold up the documents sought by Waxman and Ranking Minority member Tom Davis (R-VA).
“The White House Counsel’s office responded that it would not provide the Committee with documents that ‘implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests’ and produced only two communications with the officials in the Defense Department, one of which was a package of news clippings,” the Committe noted. “The response of the Defense Department to the Committee’s inquiry was also deficient.”
Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_Pentagon_hold...—–
I guess they got the most experienced guy they could find to do the executive privelege defense. Google Fred Fielding if you dont remember him from the watergate fiasco.
But even if they got the most experienced, IIRC, they didnt get the most successful one.
Must be a bad week for you farmgirl. Much bitchier today, even more so then usual.
I think somebody needs the waaaaaaambulance.
I knew the farmgirl would know what to do. Thanks so much for being there for all of us! We wouldn’t know what to do without you!
xoxo
The rude one has a great post on “Flunkin’ out of Presidentin” or some such. Rude language warning.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Farmgirl, you are simply not authorized for Blog Patrol. That is my job. And by the way, YOU are close to getting a ticket.
You must not have anyone to boss around at home. Got news for ya, you AIN’T the boss here either!
I smell unwashed troll.
Farmgrrl, just walk on by…
And WTF is up with THIS?Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | July 14, 2007 at 09:56 AM
Bush has a serious problem of his own making. Namely, he thinks he has to take steps to bolster the strength of the Executive in the face of war (to be charitable). So he won’t yield an inch to Congress (Cheney is probably behind this).
The problem is that nobody in the US trusts him any more. Too many serious mistakes, too much incompetence.
But that’s not the only reason that this situation is his fault. He’s also direct responsible for failing to hold anybody in his adminstration to account for any of his serious mistakes, for any of the incompetence we’ve seen him display. For Bush it isn’t that “the buck stops here,” it’s that the buck never existed in the first place. There are no bucks.
So this is a problem of his making because, while he probably thinks he’s just protecting the office for the next guy (plus his hide, and Cheney’s), Americans just see a president who’s dropping yet another data point on the clear trend of failing to hold anybody accountable.
In other words, if Bush had done the right thing and fired his f*ckups as they f*ucked up, then today he’d be in a far better position to ask Americans for a second chance. He wouldn’t need to respond to Waxman (because holding people accountable means you prick the bubble long before it grows out of hand), but even if he did he’d be far more likely to convince Americans that he’s acting to preserve Executive communications rather than trying to cover up Tillman’s death. And save his own hide.
Bush, our MBA president, still hasn’t learned that this is what you get when you fail to hold people who work for you accountable for their mistakes.
How Heroic of you Tom!
Trying to rescue the Farmgirl, how sweeeeeeeeet!
Tom, isn’t it time for you to get a job?
Hey Tom! Yes, I am. Beautiful day here. I should be outside anyway. The cats are circling the chicken pen, so it must be time to feed the felines. :)
I can’t wait to hear what the cats and chickens do next!
I have hampsters. They are fun to play with.
President George Bush has issued an instruction to his former White House counsel Harriet Miers to defy the House Judiciary Committee’s subpoena. The Committee had sought to ask her about her role – and that of others in the White House – in firing a covey of United States Attorneys who were apparently not toeing the political line. Bush’s instruction sent a very clear signal: As I wrote earlier, and as has been clear from the outset, he is looking for a fight.By not responding to the subpoena, the President and Ms. Miers all but invited the House Judiciary Committee and, in turn, the House of Representatives to vote to deem her in contempt of Congress. It was a defiant, in-your-face insult to Congress. No president would do this unless he was quite confident of the outcome. Clearly, Bush’s White House and Justice Department lawyers believe that the solidly conservative federal judiciary will grant them a favorable ruling, and that, in the process, they will greatly weaken congressional oversight powers, to the advantage of the White House.
In short, the Bush White House is not bluffing with this act of defiance. Rather, the White House truly wants to test, and attempt to expand, presidential power. Bush’s White House is ready, willing, and able to play hardball. Indeed, the White House may actually be trying to bait the House Judiciary Committee and the House of Representatives into voting to deem Ms. Miers in contempt of congress…… Long ago, Congress should have oiled up its most powerful tool to require Executive cooperation. No one who follows these matters is surprised that Bush is again pushing the envelope of presidential powers. But it continues to mystify me why Congress does not get its act together, and remind the White House that they are constitutional co-equals.
…..
Moreover, the Bush White House clearly believes the law is on its side. The Los Angeles Times reports that the Justice Department has provided the White House with a “broadly worded legal opinion” advising that “senior White House officials” can “ignore subpoenas from Congress to testify about the U.S. attorneys affair.” This “three-page opinion,” the L.A. Times says, “raises questions about whether the Justice Department would prosecute senior administration officials if Congress voted to hold them in contempt.” The L.A. Times’s article also notes that, under the law, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columba decides whether or not to pursue such cases when they are referred by the House or Senate for prosecution.
Needless to say, this is an extraordinary legal opinion, but not a surprising one. It is consistent with Bush’s embrace of the “unitary executive theory.”
…..
This is a very aggressive position. While it does not reflect the current state of the law, given the pro-presidential bias among so many of the conservative jurists who now dominate the federal judiciary, and particularly the Supreme Court, Bush may well succeed in defending this position if this matter goes to court.
…..
Congress Needs To Protect Its Powers: Only One Way It Can Do So
…..Finally, if Miers is found in contempt, the House itself can take action against her at the bar of the House. (The Senate can similarly hold such proceedings.) Congress has the power to prosecute contumacious witnesses to require them to comply, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed this power. For example, in 1987, in Young v. U.S., Justice Antonin Scalia recognized “the narrow principle of necessity” or “self-defense” of the Congress in protecting its institutional prerogatives. Scalia said “the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches must each possess those powers necessary to protect the functioning of its own processes, although those implicit powers may take a form that appears to be nonlegislative, nonexecutive, or nonjudicial, respectively.”
When all is said and done the only way Congress can protect its prerogatives is to undertake its own contempt proceedings. The parliamentary precedents of the House provide such procedures, by which Congress can effectively protect itself. There is no shortage of past instances where the Congress has held such trials. Readers may want to consult, for example, Hinds’ Precedents and Canon’s Precedents. Unfortunately, however, this machinery has become a bit rusty, for these procedures have not been used since 1934.
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Given the clear attitude of conservative presidents, who are doing all within their power to make Congress irrelevant, Congress should turn to these underemployed precedents and put them back to work. The House and Senate Judiciary Committees should take the lead in reviving these procedures, and the Democrats’ leadership should announce that they are embracing them.If they do not, Fred Fielding has it right: Officials are absolutely immune from compelled Congressional testimony. Bush can simply tell Congress to stop sending subpoenas to his appointees. However, if Congress does engage in a little self-help at this crucial juncture, it can be sure that not only Harriet Miers, but also George Bush, will be forced to pay attention to congressional subpoenas – for the bottom line is that Congress will not need the cooperation of the other branches to enable it to conduct proper oversight.
LOL
You know you’re winnin’ ksfarmgrrl, hands down, when all they got is the troll patrol.
I for one appreciate you, grrl. And not just because you’re such a damn fine hold digger! I love ya for yer mind, too!
“Iraq PM: Country can manage without U.S.
BAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.”
IT IS TIME TO LET THEM DO SO. REMOVE ALL US COMBAT FORCES; ALLOW ONLY TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT.
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/122115.html
I Have been gritting since he stole the election in 2000. I thought people would wake up to their senses in 2004 but he had tricks again.
I will NEVER believe this asshole bumbling idiot ever won outright.
Long ago, Congress should have oiled up its most powerful tool to require Executive cooperation. Posted by: leave | July 14, 2007 at 10:25 AM
It’s called Checks and Balances Leave.
Congress can no sooner REQUIRE the Executive branch to COOPERATE, then vice versa.
Cooperate Leave, just do what you are told and shut-up.
2008 Deadline A Shift, And A Break With Bush
WASHINGTON – Rep. Christopher Shays has called on Congress to approve withdrawing virtually all American troops from Iraq by December 2008, a blow to Bush administration efforts to fight the mounting support in Congress for a sharp change in strategy.
“I believe we need a timeline. I believe the president’s wrong,” the 4th District Republican said Friday.
Shays has urged the White House for months to set some sort of timelines, but President Bush has refused to do so. As a result, Shays said Friday that Congress needs to take control of the situation. “He’s lost me on this.”
Shays’ latest plan marks the first time he has specified dates. He wants Congress to authorize a redeployment that would begin within 120 days. Shays sought a House vote this week on his plan, but Democrats, who pushed for an April withdrawal, blocked it.
report: http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-shays0714.artju...
I for one appreciate you, grrl. And not just because you’re such a damn fine hold digger! I love ya for yer mind, too!
Posted by: Pedant | July 14, 2007 at 10:26 AM
DITTO! ME TOO! ME TOO!
David BromwichPosted July 13, 2007 | 02:11 PM (EST)
In his press conference on July 12, President Bush told the big lie yet again: “The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.”
False but also crude, self-serving, easily exposed. Al Qaeda of Mesopotamia did not exist on September 11, 2001. The lie came eight days after a Fourth of July oration in which he compared himself to George Washington.
A few months earlier, he had listened with Vice President Cheney as the director of the CIA said that the Iraqi government was not built to last. The president’s response was to consult with the vice president. Then he ordered his “surge.”
It is time we got him in focus. He is not amenable to persuasion. He may signal a willingness to compromise, but he always goes back on his word; not charging himself with insincerity when he does so, for he means what he promises in some special, private sense: “I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.”
~snip~
This president has lost contact with reality, in any ordinary sense of the words “lost,” “contact,” and “reality.” We Americans are too cautious, too literal in our ideas of such irreversible disconnection. The truth is that people who are lost to us in this way can’t be relied on to show it conspicuously. They may appear sober and friendly, on occasion. They do not froth and gibber. And yet they are not capable of curing themselves. Every bad new choice only deepens the rupture.
~snip~
They are gathering the forces now for Iran. The carriers on patrol in the Persian Gulf, the series of accusations that hold Iran responsible for the violence in Iraq, the propaganda corps at the American Enterprise Institute turning up the heat–all the preparations are in place in the summer of 2007, just as they were in the summer of 2003. An administration with a modicum of prudence would not risk setting the Muslim world aflame by carving up a second theater of devastation in the Middle East. Yet these are men of wild imaginings.
Your Leaving a lot of trash on the board Leave.
Can you post a link and maybe a brief statement for Allah’s sake!
President Bill ClintonAug. 17, 1998CLINTON: Good evening.
This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury.
I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer.
Still, I must take complete responsibility for all my actions, both public and private. And that is why I am speaking to you tonight.
As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information.
Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.
But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action.
I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that.
I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors. First, by a desire to protect myself from the embarrassment of my own conduct.
I was also very concerned about protecting my family. The fact that these questions were being asked in a politically inspired lawsuit, which has since been dismissed, was a consideration, too.
In addition, I had real and serious concerns about an independent counsel investigation that began with private business dealings 20 years ago, dealings I might add about which an independent federal agency found no evidence of any wrongdoing by me or my wife over two years ago.
The independent counsel investigation moved on to my staff and friends, then into my private life. And now the investigation itself is under investigation.
This has gone on too long, cost too much and hurt too many innocent people.
Now, this matter is between me, the two people I love most — my wife and our daughter — and our God. I must put it right, and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to do so.
Nothing is more important to me personally. But it is private, and I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It’s nobody’s business but ours.
Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life.
Our country has been distracted by this matter for too long, and I take my responsibility for my part in all of this. That is all I can do.
Now it is time — in fact, it is past time to move on.
We have important work to do — real opportunities to seize, real problems to solve, real security matters to face.
And so tonight, I ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past seven months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of the next American century.
Thank you for watching. And good night.
“Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.” William J. Clinton
“Indeed, I did start a war with a nation that never attacked the United States. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.” ~~Words we will NEVER hear from George W. Bush
Typcial Lib deflection technique.
Teddy Kennedy, did you really leave that woman in your car to drown at Chappaquidick?
Answer: George Bush led us into Iraq, and Bush can’t swim worth a damn.
LOL, yeah we’ll be ice skating in Hades before Bush finds a tenth of THAT grace.
Uh, does anybody else catch a whiff of troll syntax here and there that’s pretty indicative of who’s doin’ all the pouting?
LOL, that you khahnny?
see, start attacking their savior and they just have to bring up clinton.
I for one would LOVE to go back to the Peace and Prosperity that we had the 8 years under Clinton. What was gas? 1.39? Yea, that was horrible
Last I checked, this blog entry is about George W. Bush and his complete failure as a president. Not BILL CLINTON!! BILL CLINTON!! So much for “deflection technique”
Oh and before you all get caught up in clintons BJ
lets talk aboutVitter and his diapers and talking to prostitutes while on the senate floor!!!
Opps…here is a new RW scandal
Republican Rep. Exposed Himself to Female Employee, Chased Her Screaming, “Suck It”
Posted by Guest Blogger at 4:41 AM on July 13, 2007.
Howie Klein: Another Republican sex scandal. Rep. David Almond (R-NC) is forced to resign after a “personal complaint” comes to light.
It took Noonan this long? I’m surprised she even said it at all.
It’s not just a dislike, I’ve said all along that Bush and Co were the biggest threats to our nation in a long time. He might as well join Al Qaida.
Clinton ran this country beautifully, which is why I’m voting for Hillary. I could handle another 8 years of a Clintonesque presidency.
I will vote for Hillary, but I am holding out for Gore
where are all the bush trolls off to? Freak repuk to find new “ammo”
By DAVID SWANSON
George Mason (1725-1792), the father of the Bill of Rights (1791-2002), argued at the Constitutional Convention in favor of providing the House of Representatives the power of impeachment by pointing out that the President might use his pardoning power to “pardon crimes which were advised by himself” or, before indictment or conviction, “to stop inquiry and prevent detection.”
James Madison (1751-1836), the father of the U.S. Constitution (1788-2007), added that “if the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty.”
the Bill of Rights (1791-2002)
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We can’t win a prolonged war against Muslims because our population is too old. Our median age is 35. Muslim nations’ median ages range from 17 to 21.
We have 15 million males age 18-24. Realistically, given the nature of our economy, which needs young adults here, it would be impossible to conscript more than 3-4 million to fight overseas.
Approximately 8-9 % of the 1 billion population Muslim world are males of this age: 80-90 million. An additional 50 million 14-17 year olds are considered trainable to fight. Due to the poverty of most Muslim teenagers and young men, they could readily muster 60+ million.
You can’t win any war, on somebody else’s turf, when you’re outnumbered 15-20 to 1.
In last summer’s Lebanon crisis, Israel had the best military technology in the world, supplied by the U.S. It couldn’t defeat Hezbollah. Why? It takes boots on the ground to win wars, and Israel couldn’t muster enough to do the job.
The arm-chair “generals” around here aren’t walking their talk, because they’re too old to go off to battle. Which is understandable, but if they are talking about sending other people to do the job, they better do some first-principles calculating, which they obviously haven’t.
Just remember this Republicans – all these presidential powers that Bush and Gang have granted themselves will be available to the next president – be they Democrat or Republican.
So gloat all you want about George W. Bush being the best president because you have stock in Halliburton or oil stock – but the day will come when you may wish George W. had not of granted himself so much power.
Be careful of what you wish for.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070714/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
BAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and trainin
The embattled prime minister sought to show confidence at a time when congressional pressure is growing for a withdrawal and the Bush administration reported little progress had been made on the most vital of a series of political benchmarks it wants al-Maliki to carry out.
Al-Maliki said difficulty in enacting the measures was “natural” given Iraq’s turmoil.
But one of his top aides, Hassan al-Suneid, rankled at the assessment, saying the U.S. was treating Iraq like “an experiment in an American laboratory.” He sharply criticised the U.S. military, saying it was committing human rights violations, embarassing the Iraqi government with its tactics and cooperating with “gangs of killers” in its campaign against al-Qaida in Iraq.
Al-Suneid’s comments were a rare show of frustration toward the Americans from within al-Maliki’s inner circle as the prime minister struggles to overcome deep divisions between Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish members of his coalition and enact the American-drawn list of benchmarks.
Bush has turned this into a Holy War against Muslims. Whenever Bush invokes God’s name into any of his speeches, that just inflames the Holy War further.
If Bush was a real leader, he would get the US off the Middle East oil, stop kissing the Saudis’ butts, stop all importing from China, secure our borders and start rebuilding America’s infrastructure.
Our country is deteriorating by the day and Bush just keeps going on with this insane Holy War.
And as Bush’s term comes closer and closer to the last day, I suspect we will see his true colors come out even more. It is apparent to even a blind man thatBush and Gang are picking a fight with Iran. And if that happens, God help us all.
Leave’s George Mason and James Madison comments are valid. The question is, will the Supreme Court order the administration to produce records, and testimony, as the SCOTUS did in the Nixon tribunal, or will this court act as the executive branch’s lapdog?
You can’t have the legislative and government-funding branch acting in the dark–the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
Executive privilege is a sound doctrine, if correctly circumscribed. Firing U.S. Attorneys for purely political reasons, particularly involving CONGRESSIONAL elections, must be within Congress’s power to investigate.
We live in difficult times. But America has impeached, without conviction, two sitting presidents, and another president who read the writing on the wall resigned facing certain impeachment and conviction. We’re a resilient nation.
So apparently, it’s ok for our troops to swelter in Baghdad, but parliament deserves a break!But Bush aides acknowledged that they were unable to persuade the Iraqi parliament to remain in session in August to advance long-stalled legislation deemed crucial to political reconciliation. “My understanding is at this juncture they’re going to take August off, ” said White House press secretary Tony Snow. “You know, it’s 130 degrees in Baghdad in August,” he added.
You have to be completely delusional.The only thing I am pissed off about in the entire war on terror is this Pakistan issue that has come up.F-them and f-the entire middle east for all I care. Drain the oil and extreminate every last one of them for all I care.F-Pakistan. Man Bush does really piss me off with that crap.
Yeah, I’m thinking that come the 31st August will prove something less than august for Augustus Stupidus.
It ain’t gonna be a good month for the president. Having political progress completely off the table in Baghdad means he’s going to lose a lot of (political) blood.
September isn’t going to be any better, either.
Go ahead Dems, hold your Hearings and Hearing, and more Hearings. Spend the next 18 months debating Iraq and impeaching Bush.
This Dem Congress is no better than the Repub Congress.
This Congress continues to pick flyshit outta pepper, while ignoring the biggest fiscal crisis coming 10 years from now – the biggest fiscal crisis in the history of America that will lead to a $30 Trillion national debt and bankrupt America.
It will make the Great Depression of the 1930’s look like the good ole days.
It’s coming soon America, to every city in the land.
And Congress continues to bicker away at flyshit issues.
50 years from now, if there is anyone around to write the History of the Fall of America, will paint a sad picture of corruption and incompetence in American government on BOTH sides of the aisle.
The few Democrats and Republicans that survive will stand on either side of the dead body of America, and argue over who is to blame for this mess.
When in fact, the blame is on the American People who allowed their Government to become corrupt and get out of control.
There really MUST be another “Bad Hemingway” contest going on…
Hard for Congress to do much of anything, Max, when the president negotiates with his veto pen, and only with his veto pen (not holding Dems in Congress blameless, either: there’s plenty go go around).
The problem is it takes 67 votes to do anything at all these days. Unless, of course, the bill is written by Bush. Hell, it takes 60 countable “yeas” just to get a vote, up or down. on anything else (but again, it takes 2 to tango)
But these are the wages of a Rove-style political strategy: leverage as much of a zero-sum outcome as is politically possible with a 50.000000000000001% majority. Right here, where we’re at right now, is where we end up.
I think it is quite commical that everyone is blaming the “dem” congress when the RW idiots have had 6 years to screw up the nation and the dems have only had 6 months to fix what will take a lifetime to fix
BUSH KNOWS WHERE OBL IS but REFUSES to get him???
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/07/14/intel-official-... /
Intel Official: Bush Knows Where bin Laden Is Hiding But Chooses Not to Capture HimPosted by Jon Ponder | Jul. 14, 2007, 10:09 am
Apologists for Pres. George W. Bush routinely lay blame for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the Clinton administration, purportedly because they failed to capture Osama bin Ladin when they had an opportunity in the 1990s.
But since 2005, at least, the Bush administration has known the whereabouts of bin Ladin as well as the much of al Qaeda’s senior leadership, and yet the president refuses to send forces in to get them.
In congressional testimony earlier this week, intelligence officials admitted that bin Laden and his gang are in Pakistan and gaining strength, but that the Bush administration refuses to go after them because the Musharraf regime won’t give the United States permission to conduct operations in the region:
“It’s not that we lack the ability to go into that space,” said Tom Fingar of the office of the Director of National Intelligence. “But we have chosen not to do so without the permission of the Pakistani government,” Fingar told members of Congress who demanded to know why the U.S. did not take more decisive action against a known enemy.
It is bizarre that the Bush won’t go after bin Laden because he’s suddenly averse to invading a sovereign nation. A cynic might wonder if the reason he won’t send troops into Pakistan against the wishes of its leaders because there is no oil there.
On a related note, speaking at conference in Colorado earlier this month, Karl Rove drew openly derisive laughter when he responded to a question about an incident in 2005 in which the U.S. military had senior al Qaeda leadership in the cross-hairs but were ordered to stand down before the operation even started:
KARL ROVE: The United States has concerns about taking unilateral action in a sovereign nation without their approval. And so this has always been the difficulty we have with — Unless, of course, they’re Saddam Hussein
Last week, Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Secretary, said he had a feeling in his gut that there would be an attack on the United States this summer. If the unthinkable does happen, it will be interesting to see how they manage to blame this one on Pres. Clinton.
If it matters who to blame Leave, it be us.
We The People of failed to hold our Government accountable for its core functions. And both of the main political parties have failed to solve the long-term problems facing America.
Instead, many look to a bigger Government to meet our every need, while the truly big critical issues are being ignored and pushed back to a future Congress to handle.
So as long as We The People want Congress to address the flyshit issues, that’s exactly what we will get.
One bright ray of hope came from the mass public outcry over the Immigration/Amnesty Bill Congress wanted to pass to “solve” our Immigration problem.
Congress had hoped that by passing yet another Immigration Bill, it would make The People “feel” like the problem was solved.
Finally, The People – Dems and Repubs, realized the problem would not be solved by another unenforced law. And we stood up and wrote more emails, letters, and made so many phone calls that Congress had to finally listen to the people.
I think there is common grass-roots agreement on a few other issues, that would could force Congress to address.
1. Defend the US border and stop illegal immigration, help prevent terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals from crossing the border into the USA with a free pass.
2. Address the pending Fiscal Crisis with Social Security and Medicare with some reform involving both spending reductions and tax increases. We the People tend to prefer either the tax increase or the spending reduction, but we must all realize that both will be necessary to solve this problem.
If we don’t solve it now, it will solve itself. And all Americans will pay a much high price if we continue to wait to let the problem solve itself.
Prez “pre-emptively” saves all Repubs from becoming “prison bitches.” Dems: “Can he do that?”
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/07/11...
Allegedly reacting to some sort of hallucinogenic fever dream following an overlong bubble bath during which he reportedly sputtered lots of motorboat noises and ate one too many purple crayons, President Bush today made the stunning yet somehow entirely understandable announcement that all Republicans in his administration are hereby officially excused from any and all crimes they have committed, are in the process of committing, are planning to commit, or even merely fantasize about committing while encased in sweaty latex bodysuits in any one of a number of GOP-friendly D.C. fetish dungeons.
“People! My people!” Bush shouted suddenly during an otherwise completely useless press conference, raising his arms over his head and tilting his head back and convulsing slightly, just as a nameless reporter finished asking a question about… oh like it even matters because we all know the answer would’ve been complete bulls— anyway so let’s just say, immigration policy reform.
“Come to me, you shockingly large numbers of corrupt and disgraced Republican senators, representatives, aides, deputies, secretaries, lobbyists, governors and mayors and secretly gay meth-snorting right-wing Christian evangelists, and I shall remove from you the burden of legal, ethical, spiritual and yes even genital responsibility for all crimes you have almost certainly committed under the dark umbrella that is me! I am the walrus!”
Bush was apparently emboldened by his unprecedented and widely reviled commutation of L. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s prison sentence just recently, a move widely considered to be one of the more repellent abuses of power in a kaleidoscopic drunken funhouse of abuses lo these past 6.5 years, though he appeared to be staring up at the heavens as he spoke, just little bit astonished that lightning was not striking him dead on the spot. …
Not posting just to prove my point that the “hate all day and all night crowd” will post their spewing hate without any assistance from anyone.
As I posted before, not one positive note about anyone or anything on any subject.
A bunch of negative people.
Bizarre Wingnut Meltdown in WA leads to the White Houseby LARefugeeFri Jul 13, 2007 at 06:25:14 PM PDT
I’m amazed that more people haven’t picked up on Bush’s attempt at firing the International Boundary Commissioner (even though he has not authority to do so). It’s like watching a train wreck within the Republican Party.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/13/20311/1202
In an action that stems from a legal dispute over a Blaine couple’s backyard wall on the U.S.- Canada border, President Bush has fired the U.S. member of the International Boundary Commission, Dennis Schornack. Or has he?
“We are preparing responses, because the president has exceeded his authority and has acted illegally” in firing Schornack, said attorney Elliott Feldman, who represents the International Boundary Commission. Or does he?
In documents filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle, Department of Justice lawyers say that they, not Feldman, are the legal representatives for the commission in a lawsuit filed by Herbert and Shirley-Ann Leu of Blaine. The Leus’ lawsuit asks the court to uphold their property rights to keep their wall, despite the boundary commission’s demands that they remove it.http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/127729.html
Dennis Schornack was appointed by President Bush to his position in 2001 (he assumed office in 2002), and previously headed the Strategic Inititives office of Michigan Governor John Engler, a conservative Republican. Dennis Schornack is therefore probably a Republican.
The Leu’s are probably Republicans, as indicated by their outrage that any law, regulation, or treaty can tell them what they can or can’t do with their own property.
The Pacific Legal Foundation, the organization filing suite on behalf of the Leu’s, appears to represent the extreme right-wing of the Republican Party.
The Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales is now about as thoroughly Republican as it can get.
So why would President Bush, who already has more troubles than he has time to put on a list, suddenly add to his troubles the attempted firing of an independent international commissioner over which he has no authority?
The clincher ladies and gentlemen:
Possibly because the lawyer hired by Schornack was John MacKay, who was one of the U.S. Federal Prosecutors forced to resign by the White House this past year????!!!!!!
Dennis Schornack’s final comment:
“I’m ashamed of my government….”
leave, I can’t even laugh when it’s supposed to be funny. The idiot in charge has made a believer out of me — I BELIEVE he is capable of exactly this kind of delusional behavior.
Iraqi PM insists peace is possible without U.S.Al-Maliki claims ‘full confidence’ if coalition forces withdraw ‘at any time’
Updated: 1 hour, 17 minutes agoBAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave “any time they want,” though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and trainingThe embattled prime minister sought to show confidence at a time when congressional pressure is growing for a withdrawal and the Bush administration reported little progress had been made on the most vital of a series of political benchmarks it wants al-Maliki to carry out.
Al-Maliki said difficulty in enacting the measures was “natural” given Iraq’s turmoil
The embattled prime minister sought to show confidence at a time when congressional pressure is growing for a withdrawal and the Bush administration reported little progress had been made on the most vital of a series of political benchmarks it wants al-Maliki to carry out.
Al-Maliki said difficulty in enacting the measures was “natural” given Iraq’s turmoil
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19760628/
Yup.
It looks like JM-Eier-Uncle William-Max-Republican-Khahn is in full nic switch mode.
We should assume at this point any dumb-ass posts with a smart-ass nic is ReplagiarBlank.
THIS SHOWS THAT OUR TACTIC OF IGNORING THE TROLL HAS SUCCEEDED.
He’s so frustrated at being marginalized, he’s reduced to posting under a new nic everytime.
Well done, people. Good discipline.
Keep it up.
Our country doesn’t have to go bankrupt. Americans live longer and generally healthier lives than in the past. Congress can progressively increase the Social Security eligible age to 70, and perhaps eventually 75 (ca. 2040), along with Medicare benefits.
Social Security benefits can be means-apportioned.
Social Security benefits can be reduced, and recipients’ children can be given tax credits for providing living places for their parents.
Medicare benefits that are used to provide long-term nursing home care can be reduced, and paid to families to provide in-home care to gradma’s and grandpa’s, with home-health visiting nurses and doctors. (Remember when doctors used to make house calls?)
We can nationalize healthcare, including drug purchases that cost 75% less than what America pays today. Drugs are by far the largest cost-component of retiree medical care.
We’re amassing a vast amount of debt held by foreigners. We could allow them to convert Treasurys to U.S. property, like letting China buy half the Great Plains farm and cattle land or a quarter of the West’s National Forests. Or we could welch on our foreign debt by devaluing our currency by 70%, as occurred under Ford-Carter.
Of course our banks would hate this hit to their U.S. property mortgage values, but if a national budgetary crisis demands devaluation, that’s what you have to do. Plus it would be a fair quid pro quo for China’s currency manipulation today that fosters our trade imbalance by making their goods artificially cheap. Not to mention the other measures they take to limit U.S. goods imports, much of them behind the curtain.
We can end corrupt corporate welfare by prohibiting corporations that have their major operations here from registering offshore, and prohibiting shady “subsidiary” schemes in which offshore subsidiaries “sell” products to their parent corporations here at inflated prices, the money goes overseas, and is not taxable by the IRS.
We can raise corporate income taxes to 1950’s levels. There was a time when corporations paid half the nation’s income taxes.
The Wall Street Journal’s Op-Ed pages tell us this is unfair “double taxation” because both corporations and their shareholders must pay taxes. Get real. Individual taxpayers pay earned income taxes. If we replace a dishwasher, the seller and installer pay income taxes.
Corporations are given an extraordinary privileges as legal-fiction “persons”. They can use the courts, usually advantageously against real persons, i.e. American citizens, because they can afford to spend millions in legal representation, but real persons cannot. When they are found to be guilty of felonies, they aren’t given the corporate equivalent of real-person prison sentences, i.e. ordered to shut down for 5-10 years, or even 1 year, they are fined, and allowed to continue operating. In the vast, vast majority of fines punishments, corporations do not dissolve.
Furthermore they have insurance, which provides a significant cushion. Real persons cannot buy criminal penalty insurance.
When executives are convicted of crimes, and are sent to prison, corporations replace them, so that the corporations can keep operating.
Corporate shareholders–company owners who are real persons– are immune from personal civil liability.
Tax reduction on capital gains allows shareholders to cash in on stock price gains without paying working-income-rate taxes.
Somebody, on another thread, demanded of somebody else, an explanation of corporate welfare. Corporate welfare is a combination of shifting taxes of legal-fiction “persons” and its real-person owners, to working real persons, insulating real-person owners and executives of legal-fiction “persons” from personal liability, and stacking the justice system deck in favor or legal-fiction “persons” against real persons, according to who can spend more money for legal representation.
Then when we add an in-collusion Supreme Court, including a justice, who as a Court of Appeals judge, concealed his ownership-stake in a company whose litigation was before his bench, and decided to rule in its favor, rather than recuse himself (Alito, Vangard), but was neither sanctioned nor disqualified from promotion, that’s corporate welfare.
When the SCOTUS ruled against a Goodyear employee’s Civil Right Act violation claim (sex discrimination), and threw out centuries of discovery doctrine relating to statute of limitations, to technically dismiss her case, that was corporate welfare.
Capn,
And despite being a proven LIAR,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/07/open-thread-713.html#comment-75802340
his nic upthread tries to suggest that he = Kansas “values”.
If you see me walking down the streetAnd I start to cry each time we meetWalk on by, walk on by
Make believethat you don’t see the tearsJust let me grievein private ’cause each time I see youI break down and cryAnd walk on by (don’t stop)And walk on by (don’t stop)And walk on by
I just can’t get over losing youAnd so if I seem broken and blueWalk on by, walk on by
Foolish prideIs all that I have leftSo let me hideThe tears and the sadness you gave meWhen you said goodbyeWalk on byand walk on byand walk by (don’t stop)
Walk on by, walk on byFoolish prideIs all that I have leftSo let me hideThe tears and the sadness you gave meWhen you said goodbyeWalk on by (don’t stop)and walk on by (don’t stop)and walk by (don’t stop)
Leave — Where did you find this??? This is mind blowing!!
Prez “pre-emptively” saves all Repubs from becoming “prison bitches.” Dems: “Can he do that?”
Link above was broken, this should work,’Bush Pardons Entire GOPPrez “pre-emptively” saves all Repubs from becoming “prison bitches.” Dems: “Can he do that?” ‘http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/a/2007/07/11/notes071107.DTL
cosmos.
I think it was a joke
but isn’t it amazing that it could actually be true
Nope, I’m truly tired of all the hate-spewed posts you Liberals do.
You never have anything positive to say about anything or anyone.
The Eagle is encouraging this with all their anti-Bush, anti-administration posts.
I’ll post, but only when I want to post.
It is sad to see so many people with so much hate.
It’s really not “anti-Bush” or “anti-administration” or even Anti-Semitic” as the case may be.
Objections to behavior can easily be diverted to anti-Something, as a tool to divert attention away from the subject of criticism, when, in fact, that’s all it’s really about.
Kansas
what is sad is to see the crap this administration has put upon our nation in the process of making dick and halliburton rich
Leave, Cosmos, beware the Troll… Walk on by!!!
Kansas thats the most hilarious thing I have seen on here today:
“It is sad to see so many people with so much hate.
Posted by: Kansas | July 14, 2007 at 02:58 PM”
The Blog’s version of Six Faces of Eve
Not really Chas, I re-examined myself and found myself becoming exactly like you Libs – hate all day all night – haters and spewers of hate.
I won’t be doing that again.
The silent majority will be rebuilding its might and muscle. We shall rely on the wisdom of our forefathers and set the Nation on a new course.
Walk on By!!!
The Silent 26% majority, my goodness… And so it starts all over again…
The poor delusional troll thinks that facts, truths and reality = “hate”.
This is how BushCo hopes to tell the Nation to see the light:
http://aunk.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/01/812471-supreme-court-restarts-race-war-in-america-poll
I see that Cosmos… Thats a total flip from lst nite, and earlier today on another thread…LOL
Jesus Christ loves you cosmos and forgives you of your sins if you will come to Him and acknowledge Him as your Lord and Savior.
The truth is not a sin.
Cosmos… here’s the big flip out… Thought you might get a kick out of this… from earlier, on a different Thread>>>
“Yeah, I’m traveling too.First I’m going to KC to go shopping with my Aunt Alice.I’m gonna look for a dress for Chas.Then I’m going gambling at a casino.”
But, it’s still here… LOL
Think I’ll eat at a rib place before I come home.
Posted by: Traveling | July 14, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Talk about confessional needs…
Scratch: “But it’s still here” I cant type today… Arthur has hit me good…
C. H. SpurgeonJuly 14Burdens Cast on Him
“Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and he shall sustain thee; he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved. (Psalm 55:22)
It is a heavy burden; roll it on Omnipotence. It is thy burden now, and it crushes thee; but when the Lord takes it, He will make nothing of it. If thou art called still to bear, “he will sustain thee.” It will be on Him and not on thee. Thou wilt be so upheld under it that the burden will be a blessing. Bring the Lord into the matter, and thou wilt stand upright under that which in itself would bow thee down.
Our worst fear is lest our trial should drive us from the path of duty; but this the Lord will never suffer. If we are righteous before Him, He will not endure that our affliction should move us from our standing. In Jesus He accepts us as righteous, and in Jesus He will keep us so.
What about the present moment? Art thou going forth to this day’s trial alone? Are thy poor shoulders again to be galled with the oppressive load? Be not so foolish. Tell the Lord all about thy grief and leave it with Him. Don’t cast your burden down and then take it up again; but roll it on the Lord and leave it there. Then shalt thou walk at large, a joyful and unburdened believer, singing the praises of thy great Burden-bearer.”
Oh geez, 21st century Fundamentalism is bad enough… let alone early 19th century…Spurgeon is SO far out of touch with this century, its not even funny… besides, the Pope says protestants arent the “right kind of christians” now anyway
The following from Jeremiah 23:
“31 I am also against those prophets who speak their own words and claim they came from me.
32 Listen to what I, the LORD, say! I am against the prophets who tell their dreams that are full of lies. They tell these dreams and lead my people astray with their lies and their boasting. I did not send them or order them to go, and they are of no help at all to the people. I, the LORD, have spoken.”
33 The LORD said to me, “Jeremiah, when one of my people or a prophet or a priest asks you, ‘What is the LORD’s message?’ you are to say, ‘You are a burden to the LORD, and he is going to get rid of you.’
34 If any of my people or a prophet or a priest even uses the words ‘the LORD’s burden,’ I will punish them and their families.
35 Instead, each one of them should ask their friends and their relatives, ‘What answer has the LORD given? What has the LORD said?’
36 So they must no longer use the words ‘the LORD’s burden,’ because if any of them do, I will make my message a real burden to them. The people have perverted the words of their God, the living God, the LORD Almighty..”
Liberal Zoology
The liberal doggy pack behavior is demonstrated again. Notice the lack of individual thought. Notice the silliness as they share lib web site group think. Notice how they try to run off those who disagree with them.
Aren’t they amusing?
1Why do you boast, O mighty one, of mischief done against the godly? All day long2you are plotting destruction. Your tongue is like a sharp razor, you worker of treachery.3You love evil more than good, and lying more than speaking the truth. Selah4You love all words that devour, O deceitful tongue.
– Psalm 52 –
troll,
“… I re-examined myself and found myself becoming exactly like you Libs – hate all day all night – haters and spewers of hate.”
troll’s old posts show that he was filled with irrational HATE towards the U.N., Kyoto, Sierra Club, etc.
His more recent posts started spewing HATE towards posters who proved that he was wrong to hate those groups.
But he seems unable to accept personal responsibilty for his hatred — or the lies and hypocrisies he posts.
Of course not, so now he thinks he has made some sort of conversion… All since 9:45 this morning… You saw what I posted about that upthread…
Some young conditioned minds tend to gravitate toward religious answers with a very narrow focus. A disturbingly high number of those so infected will to carry that indoctrination through most of their lives, becoming ever more deeply entrenched.
That phenonium is present in all 5 major religions.
That dogmatism can be found as the root cause of most wars.
In a letter to Dr. Jung, Sigmund Freud said: “there is no doubt that the Oedipus Complex is the root of religious feeling” { I may have slightly paraphrased that quote }.
Back in 1973 “Psychology Today” found 160 letters written by Freud to Jung {interesting writting }.
I won’t be doing that again.Posted by: Kansas/JM/Eiler/Republikhan/Republican/… | July 14, 2007 at 03:38 PM
LOL
ya, well.
In the immortal words of Capt. O’Hagan (Super Troopers): “I’ll believe ya when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.”
“The fact is, the Iraq war has kept us from devoting assets we need to fight terrorists worldwide — as evidenced by the fact that Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and al-Qaida has been able to rebuild,” Friedman said. “We need an effective offensive strategy that takes the fight to our real enemies abroad. And the best way to do that is to get our troops out of the middle of this civil war in Iraq.”–Brandon Friedman, former officer of the 101st Airborne Division; in the Democratic response to Bush’s Saturday morning radio address
You know, I just don’t know how to emphathize the quality of the people now aligned against Augustus Stupidus and his Iraq war “strategy.”
When you have officers of the 101st AB disagreeing with you (as well as the CIA, former Generals — freaking generals, ferchrissakes — of all branches in the military, rock-ribbed Republicans): the list of spokespeople from this president’s natural constituency has got to make anybody on his side with an open mind think, “hmmmmmm.” Or this: wtf?
101 AB, an elite air assault division of the US Army. The Screaming Eagles. The Pathfinders of D-Day came from the 101. These were the Bastards of Bastogne (Belgium). The guys who never agreed with the characterization of Patton’s Battle of the Bulge tank charge to Bastongne as a “rescue,” even though they were down to their last rounds of 30-.06 ammunition and surrounded by the German. The guys from the movie Band of Brothers (I love that mini-series). The guys who told the Germans who demanded their surrender at Bastogne “nuts.”
This division does not allow weak men to assume leadership positions. This is amazing, jaw-dropping. Or should be.
This is historic. I have NEVER seen this, never. Never has there been an American president who’s suffered defections of such high quality from the very HEART of his own natural constituency.
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of thetruth.
2 Timothy, 3: 1 – 7
…Posted by: Kansas | July 14, 2007 at 06:31 PM
LOL
Reminds me of the elevator filled with Avon saleswomen going up. As the elevator is passing the 3rd floor, one farts. At the 4th floor one of the ladies pulls Avon’s Pine Scent from her sample bag and sprays furiously (if politely).
On the 7th floor, a drunk gets on.
“All right, who shit the Christmas tree?”
khahnny, yer newfound piety ain’t doin’ such a great job of coverin’ up the bad stink you leave everywhere on this blog.
Kansas – just because you post Scripture does not mean that you are a true Christian. Why do you not get it? Your quoting Scripture is exactly what these so-called Christian Conservatives have done since 1994 when they took out the Contract ON America.
With Bush in power, these so-called Christians have run amok having multiple members of their so-called Christian group involved in sex scandals, lobbyist scandals (Jack Abramhoff), Mark Foley the pervert behind the computer screen and many others that the public has not been told of as of yet.
This is why in 2006 the majority of voters booted out anyone who was remotely connected to your so-called Christian group. The majority of Americans have come to realize that anyone who simply quotes Scripture back to someone as being proof of anything Bush and the Republicans have done is nothing but a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
If you do truly believe what you’re posting, then maybe it is you that needs to go back and read the Scriptures and apply the same to your own life. Clean up your own backyard and leave your neighbor’s alone.
A—-MEN
fred’s post is a prime example of the haters as does Chas answer.
“…troll’s old posts show that he was filled with irrational HATE towards the U.N., Kyoto, Sierra Club, etc.”
I didn’t read the post, but, I have a feeling the hate was rational. US out of UN now!
From the response from Kansas – I must surmise that I hit the nail on the head?
Kansas – I don’t hate Christians – just the phoney ones. I’m a Christian but I don’t go around shoving it down people’s throats. Like I said before – clean up your own backyard and leave your neighbor’s alone.
US out of UN now!Posted by: fleettwood | July 14, 2007 at 08:22 PM
LOL
If anybody ever somehow wondered just how Augustus Stupidus ended up with such a moniker, it’s because fleettwood and the rest of his base worked him into the ridiculous corner of “going it alone” no matter what in Iraq.
Now these are the really STUPID guys in the administration, the guys who get all the sentence commutations Augustus Stupidus spreads around so liberally.
Allies should be cultivated, not shunned. And just because France pursued its own ends before it pursued ours, that doesn’t necessarily imply we have no room for negotiation. Such negotiation could result in French boots in Iraq right now (or German, or Russian: countries with FAR more boots than we could EVER produce).
Uh, hello, Augustus Stupidus would sacrifice YOUR left nut to have these resources in place come September of 2007.
You bozos who eschew the kind of diplomacy required to cultivate the kind of hard, concrete help we could desperately use right now in Iraq, you guys are just really S P E C I A L.
LOL
I told you so….
“Thus President Bush has damaged relations, perhaps seriously, with Putin’s Russia for no good purpose at all.”
“Editorial: Pushed Too Far15 July 2007″”So much for the high profile Bush-Putin fence-mending fishing trip to Kennebunkport a fortnight ago. The Kremlin yesterday gave formal notice that in 150 days it will suspend its participation in the key post-Cold War arms control treaty that has underpinned European security arrangements for the last 17 years. Pulling out of the 1990 Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE) is unlikely to have any short-term military consequences. However, it sends the very clearest signal that President Putin is not going to tolerate the establishment of a US anti-missile screen in Poland and the Czech Republic, ostensibly but unconvincingly claimed to stop rocket attacks on Europe from Iran and North Korea. The Russians very reasonably view this as a further step in Washington’s attempt to surround them militarily. The Americans have wavered over the offer to use a Russian base in Azerbaijan, which would certainly be more appropriate to intercept any attack on Europe from Iran. This has convinced the Kremlin of President Bush’s bad faith and so yet another article of the blundering Bush foreign policy has proved a failure.
The White House has simply pushed the Russians too far, almost certainly because here as in Iraq, it has completely misread and misunderstood the realities and simply plowed on with its own simplistic and confrontational initiatives. It may even be that the nuclear threats from Iran and North Korea will actually prove groundless. Only this week Pyongyang appears to be stopping its own proven program in exchange for economic help from the outside world while Iran, though refusing to stop uranium enrichment, has reached an inspection deal with the International Atomic Energy Agency. Thus President Bush has damaged relations, perhaps seriously, with Putin’s Russia for no good purpose at all.
There is, however, another disturbing element to Putin’s CFE announcement. Russia it seems is playing a narrow game. Its president understandably wants to restore the national prestige and confidence that was so damaged by the humiliating break-up of the Soviet Union and the economic and military collapse of a onetime superpower. This cannot, however, merely be achieved by facing down one of America’s most inept and shortsighted presidents in generations. Russia has a role to play in the world. The vacuum left by the abject failure of Bush’s foreign policy ought to be filled now by Russian statesmen and diplomats. Russia is for instance a key member of the Quartet charged with finding a just peace for the Palestinians. Yet there are no initiatives from the Kremlin, no obvious urge to drive forward the peace process on something other than the pro-Israeli terms of Washington.
Putin has chosen to assert Russian influence either through bullying tactics over the supply of its oil and gas to Europe or by simply rejecting the wilder foreign policy flights of the Bush presidency. The former tactic may prove a mistake for Russia, while the latter, although welcome, is no substitute for a vigorously active foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East.”http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=98518&d=15&m=7&y=2007
Good points, Pedant, Fred and Chas.
One of my favorite Biblical quotes is “Judge not by appearances, but judge with right judgement.”
John 7: 24
fleettwood,
“I didn’t read the post, but, I have a feeling the hate was rational.”
troll seems to believe that the peer-reviewed science done BEFORE and AFTER 1988 is invalid, because,http://www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm “Recognizing the problem of potential global climate change, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 1988.”
And every few years, the IPCC compiles the published, peer-reviewed science into reports.
US out of UN now!Posted by: fleettwood | July 14, 2007 at 08:22 PM
Uh, don’t you dumb-ass repugs need the UN?Wasn’t it violations of UN sanctions that we’re using as an excuse for the war in Iraq?
Fleettwood, shake your head real fast. I want to see if I can hear anything rattle.
Fleetwood, instead of complaining all the time why not sign up and/or go to Iraq to help Bush establish a middle east democracy?
You certainly would be a huge help there working on the front lines for what you say you believe.
Happy,
He doesn’t even need to enlist in the military. He can go work for one of the “contractors.” I hear those are nice safe jobs. ;)
Tom
I totally agree. My point as with Republican has always been to walk the walk not just talk the talk.
Neither of them are willing to put their lives on the line for what they claim they believe.
;>
“Not really Chas, I re-examined myself and found myself becoming exactly like you Libs – hate all day all night – haters and spewers of hate.”
So you decided to turn over a new leaf by escewing the sort of hate expressed by “you libs”.
ROTFL!
Np (more) soup for you!
Happy,
There’s always an excuse why they can’t walk the walk their talk says they should. “My back hurts” or “I’m too old” is a popular excuse.
If it weren’t so painful and tragic, it would be darkly, bitterly funny that the people who push this war A) never WENT to war and B) Have only daughters, not sons, and don’t have to worry about losing them to this war.
Sure, there are two or three elected officials who support the war who have children fighting it, but they’re a tiny minority. The rest? Cowards.
Tom
Its late and I have to leave, but did you catch the HBO comedy special with comedian Wuhl?
Turns out the Barbara Bush’s maiden name is Pierce. She is a direct descendant of President Franklin Pierce a drunk and pro slavery advocate (apparently one of the worst president’s ever until now). He was the only President NOT renominated by his own party for a second term.
Now we know the rest of the story.
Here’s one to think on… When ew invaded Iraq, it was called Operation “Shock and Awe” — Those words, heard by a Jew, or Palestinian, or even an Arab, come across as the Hebrew word, Shekinah… She – Kin – Ah.. A Hebrew word for “The Glory of God” BUSHCO was intentionally lighting the fires of religious tension by using that TERM for the invasion of Iraq… It asserted that BUSH was claiming to invade with The Glory of God!!
BUSH buys into Evangelical Christian Fundamentalism, as far as the “lst days” are concerned… Unfortunately, Moslem radicals are ALSO looking for the last days… reference the nut President of Iran, looking for the coming of the Mahdi…(Messiah)….
BUSHCO is acting as if they believe 9/11 was the beginning of what fundamentalists call the 7 years of the Great Tribulation…
BUSH wont do ANYthing about pulling out troops, until AFTER 9/11, 2008… (Thus he keeps saying that the end of the War is not in his hands) The idiot believes God, or The Second Coming, or some kind of religious intervention — will solve the WAR problem for him!!
THIS is the kind of Lunacy we are fighting for in Iraq – NOT trying to find Bin Laden, or any of the other hyperbole… BUSH CO believes they are bringing in the Last Days of Creation!!
“Shock and awe” is translated “the glory of God”?
They apparently need some new interpretters.
“The idiot believes God, or The Second Coming, or some kind of religious intervention — will solve the WAR problem for him!!”
Chas, should a minister really be speading falshoods?
Outlander… READ what I posted… Shock and Awe SOUNDS like Shekinah, to an Arab, or Jew, or Palestinian, when it is PRONOUNCED… As to Bush’s views on end times religion, that is on the record many times…
Chas,Sounds a lot like the GM fiasco some years back, when they realized that their Chevy Nova wasn’t selling in Latin America. Turned out that Nova was being read as No va! Translation: doesn’t run!
Yes, very similar Jed… only this case involves WAR…
Just WHERE would you like it CRAM’d cramit???
Ignoramus thinks he/she is cute with his idiotic postings… taking up space on the Blog for what?? His EGO to shine through??? That kind of thing really should be lifted from the Blog, as incomprehensible
Soldier – I challenge anybody in Congress to do my rotation
A soldier puts up a challenge to Congress and the pResident:
Spc. Vassell, 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers:
I challenge anybody in Congress to do my rotation. They don’t have to do anything, just come hang out with me and go home at the times I go home. And come stay here fifteen months with me.
Spc. Vassell, 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers:
We’re supposed to be on the way home right now. We were supposed to be flying home in six days. Six days. But because we have people up there in Congress with the brain of a two-year old who don’t know what they’re doing. They don’t experience it. I, I challenge the President or whoever has us here for fifteen months to ride along, alongside me. I’ll do another fifteen months if he comes out here and rides along with me every day for fifteen months. I’ll do fifteen more months. They don’t even have to pay me extra. I just want him to come out here and ride with me another fifteen months.
The politicians all sit there in their cushy offices or their comfy little places on the floor of the House, The Senate, and in the White House. They do not have a clue what they are doing to the soldiers. They do not have a clue how stressed out the military is. How the policies they are all pushing for are breaking the military.
YOU all say YOU support the troops. What a f load of crap. If YOU aren’t there in Iraq along side them in this endless war that YOU support…
Don’t ever f tell me YOU support the troops.
That goes for all of you war cheerleaders, Republican and Democratic party alike, that continue to fund this endless disaster. The same thing goes for all of you keyboard and armchair warriors that cheer on the occupation of Iraq but are too hypocritical to spill your own blood in Iraq’s desert sands.
In Iran, Putin Warns Against Military Action:http://salihome.info/show/index.html
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