Nearly a quarter of Republicans (23 percent) can’t or won’t say which GOP candidate they would back for president, up from 14 percent last month, according to the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll. As a result, there are now more uncommitted or unsatisfied GOP voters than there are supporters of any particular candidate. Rudy Giuliani had 21 percent support in the poll, Fred Thompson had 19 percent, John McCain had 15 percent, and Mitt Romney had 11 percent.
Democrats are more satisfied with their choices, with only 13 percent picking none of the above. Hillary Clinton had 36 percent support, Barack Obama had 20 percent, and John Edwards had 11 percent.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
If the GOP Pushed Ron Paul and his message of freedom, there wouldn’t be an issue. Since Ron Paul is his own man and refuses to bow to the party or big business, they turn a blind eye and try to keep the covers on him.
With Giuliani in the lead, the GOP is doomed.
How about a Giuliana-Limbaugh ticket. Between them SIX marriages!
One, The GOP can’t afford to run acandidate who is on the right sideof the Republican Party. They arejust too conservative for people like myself who are in the middle. I am socially more liberal otherwise I am consevative. Because of people like Bush I wontvote for another person of his ilk.I would love to have anyone run who I can respect as a leader. I listened to Ron Paul but agree withSolDevVB that they will silence him. However I would readily votefor Guiliani over any Democrat. I think it is time for a third partywith new thinging and not corrupt like the folks in power.
I am unsatisfied with most of the GOP candidates too. However, Ron Paul is an exception. He is truly the best candidate in this election, from either party.
I really hope he can get the nomination, and I have been doing what I can to help make that possible.
Outstanding Brian. Just spread his name. Let folks hear his message and decide for themselves.
I think a few folks are affraid to hear his message.
Ah Dave, Giuliani is in SOOO many people’s pockets. Please read up on him.
If given the ultimatum, I would vote for him over Hillary, but DAMN talk about the lesser of two evils.
First of all the sample size of the poll is ridiculously small. Second, it doesn’t say that it was of likely voters. So it’s pretty much meaningless.
Along those same lines, a lot of Ron Paul’s supporters are internet based and probably outside what is most commonly thought of as the ‘voting demographic.’ Are folks like these being called? I hope they register and vote at the primaries.
I get the feeling that Ron Paul is the 2008 GOP version of John Dean 2004.
Glad some one already mention Paul.Yes he is the only GOP that I could vote for. But also as said he will not get the nod. To much the old style Republican. Funny how both sides face the same problem. Appeasing the extreme in the party.
I guess the GOP is still looking for the next George Bush. Remember how much they liked him? How smart they said he was? How he was the most qualified Republican to do the job?
I think Ron Paul will form a third party campaign. Who would he hurt the most, is probably a critical question in the ‘08 election.
“I am absolutely convinced that culture Wars are just so ’90s. Their days are growing dark.”. . . baby-hating candidate Barack Houssein Obama, at a Planned Parenthood conference this week in Washington, DC, denouncing the U.S. Supreme Court’s upholding of the federal partial birth abortion ban, convinced that the legalized brutal killing of a living, squirming, kicking baby outside the mother’s womb would be in the best interests of some young mothers, especially those with ready cash to hand over in advance to abortionist quacks[Meanwhile, Hog Futures Hillary is under fire for having acknowledged that some abortions might be tragedies, while baby-hating far-leftists Obama and Edwards are promising universal insurance-paid (=taxpayer-funded) abortions for any reason or no reason.]. . .The hard thing to swallow is, the Republican Party would probably have a hard time defeating any of these pro-infanticide pro-sodomy pro-tax left-wing extremists, with any decent nominee like Fred Thompson or Newt Gingrich.
Steven,
Ron Paul is on record stating that he will not run as a third party. If his message were heard (if he had the $$$ the other candidates did) he would get votes from both parties and the swing voters.
Prediction:
Newt Gingrich will capture the nomination and shock all. He will choose Fred Thompson as his running mate and they will soundly defeat Hillary and Edwards. The y will win because of their draconian stance on border security and immigration policy.
JO,
Haw haw haw!
You just go on thinking that’s the ticket–don’t let CF2K’s derisive laughter suggest otherwise.
Gingrich / Thompson in ‘08!
Haw haw haw!
decent candidate like Gingrich?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
How many divorces? How much cheating on his wives?
Is THAT what you call family values?
Please, God, let it be Gingerich.
MuhahahAHAHA!
Gingerich!
Oh, yeah!
Parkay?
Don’t you have an abortion doctor to gun down?
Or are you posting from your jail cell?
or his padded cell?
Q and A:
Let’s see:1. Who doesn’t want border fencing? Libs2. Who doesn’t want Immigration enforcement? Libs3. Who doesn’t want financial data mining for suspect cell folks? Libs4. Who wants a system where you have to inform a cell member that you enforced a search warrant(duh–bye bye investigation!) Libs5. Who worries about how we are perceived by our enemies? Libs6. Who can name one American that has lost any rights of any kind due process to anti-terror policy? No one.7. Who worries about terror suspects and their ‘rights?’ You guessed it.
“I get the feeling that Ron Paul is the 2008 GOP version of John Dean 2004.”
Ron Paul is way to liberal for the moral majority crowd.
“Ron Paul is on record stating that he will not run as a third party. If his message were heard (if he had the $$$ the other candidates did) he would get votes from both parties and the swing voters.”
That is too bad that he’s not going to run a 3rd party campaign. He would do much better than Ross Perot (who got nearly 20% of the vote in 1996 in Kansas – maybe that was in 1992, I am not sure). I think he would take Repbulican and Democratic voters pretty much equally.
Even if he lost a 3rd party campaign, which I think he would, he would force the major parties to adopt his policies/positions if he was as successful as I think he could be.
“6. Who can name one American that has lost any rights of any kind due process to anti-terror policy? No one.”
Guess you never heard of Jose’ Padilla,
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-21-03.html
Vote Dennis Kucinich and Bong Hits for Al Gore Jr.
;)
As much as I like Ron Paul, I doubt he would be able to get 20% as a third party candidate. The major parties have stacked the deck in their favor. Ross Perot was only successful because he was a billionaire and he used that money to finance his campaign.
The democrats and republicans have also made changes since 1992 to make it more difficult for a third party. It is now even harder for a third party candidate to get into the debates than it was back then. Just ask Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, or David Cobb.
Most Democrats I know would be more than willing to back any of the top three candidates.
Personally, I think Hillary is better suited by personality to be a Senator. She is still in Bill’s shadow for a lot of people and he was a far better candidate on the stump. He connects with people when talking about issues; Hillary lectures people. She knows her stuff and would probably be a good Chief Executive, but Democrats have lost a ton of elections by nominiating the better-qualified person for the job whose candidate skills are lacking.
If 2008 is a “throw the bums out” election, Barak Obama is an exciting nominee. JFK was, by all conventional wisdom, less experienced in 1960 than Nixon; but that was an election based on vision. Barak Obama personifies a look forward approach to American policy. Given another 18 months of George WMD Bush’s stewardship in the Oval Office, Americans just might flock to the polls to elect someone who is — in every way imaginable — the opposite of Shrub.
John Edwards’ populism, his southern roots, and the fact that he’s a white male might be a viable alternative for Democrats who fear Hillary’s polarizing baggage and Obama’s youth.
The point is: Democrats have plenty of reasons to come together behind any of the top three.
The Repubic Party, on the other hand has powerful factions that will oppose Rudy’s family values, Romney’s cult religion, McCain’s immigration policy, and/or anyone with the audacity to break lockstep with George WMD Bush’s reign of error.
Gingrich? Ha! Thompson? Another empty suit whose few non-campaign campaign apperances have been decidedly lackluster, is a pipe dream.
There’s not a GOP candidate a significant segement of the Republic Party will be too ashamed of to vote for.
Then again, who ever accused Republic Party voters of owning up to their shame?
The hard thing to swallow is, the Republican Party would probably have a hard time defeating any of these pro-infanticide pro-sodomy pro-tax left-wing extremists, with any decent nominee like Fred Thompson or Newt Gingrich.
Posted by: Parkay
First of all, parkay, get your terminology correct. Infanticide is killing of ‘live’ children.
Second of all, if you think Newt Gingrich is decent, just ask his multiple ex-wives. Investigate into Newt’s personal and business life – then we’ll talk.
Fred Thompson is not even in the running but yet you Republicans are gung ho on him. The last thing the country needs is another B-movie actor. We barely survived Reagan’s 8 years of trying to count catsup as a fruit for school lunches. What an idiot!
Just keep lettng George W. Bush run his mouth for the next year and whoever is running as a Democrat will beat any of the Republicans. Bush is your worst enemy.
Jesus was a liberal radical in his day but yet these so-called Christian Conservatives always put down the the liberals.
I guess these same phoney Christians would the ones that Jesus threw out of the the temple for defiling it.
Brian,Did you see the first (I think) Republican debate where Giuliani called out Paul on his statements about our policies having something to do with us being attacked by Al Qaeda. Giuliani seized on that and got all blustery about it. Paul stood up to him and patiently explained the concept of “blow back” with respect to policies.
Paul is a breath of fresh air that I thiink Americans are ready to deeply breath. Unlike Joe’s bong hits.
Yes, I have seen that. I’ve been paying very close attention to his candidacy and I even joined the local Meetup group to help out with the campaign here in town.
I do think Ron Paul’s ideas are very popular with voters once they know who he is. I’ve seen people from all over the political spectrum supporting him.
However, I don’t know if he’d get as much support as a third party candidate in the general election. Even though the other candidates are widely disliked, people will go back to the same old lesser of two evils voting.
Ron Paul has ran for president before he got less than a % Libertarians consistently run candidates who parrot the views of Mr Paul and they constantly get less than a %
Ron Paul wouldn’t be able to do anything as President. The libertarian party in charge would turn America into Mexico with NO oversight of anything. Want Chinese poisons coming into your foods? Who ya gonna call? There will be nothing to monitor that if the libertarians get in charge.
Want someone to make sure your doctor is sterilizing his instruments and not molesting you during surgeries? Um, nope…nobody to call for oversight.
The whole idea of libertarianism SOUNDS good, but in practice it would be disasterous. The middle class would dissolve as the rich took control of everything, and previously middle class would turn poor almost overnight.
Think about it, I don’t want to live in Mexico- do you? Their plan is almost identical to what they have NOW, boneheads.
Hillary/Obama will wipe the slate clean after this election. And our country will be as strong as it was during Bill’s presidency. Back to normalcy after the republicans have ruined our country. They’ve shown what life is like under their ideals. No thanks.
Ruined? Last I checked, the Republicans had the House pretty much all during the Clinton Presidency.
Liberalism is imbecility pretending to be wisdom and cowardice pretending to be virtue.
Question, Jonas:
Why don’t the voters agree with you?
I don’t care a hoot who the Hell the Republicans run. All I care about is defeating them and hopefully putting them into a permanent minority party like they used to be.
I might vote for Hillary if Obama ran as VP, P_Mom.
I’m still hoping President-in-Exile Gore runs with Obama.
Don’t make us BEG, AL!
This just in………lol
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/elec04.prez.poll/
Because most voters, especially those whos political affiliation is Democrat, couldn’t name the Vice President, never heard of the Bill of Rights, couldn’t recite the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance and so on.
Most of all convicted violent criminals in prison align themselves as Democrats. Fred Phelps and family are Democrats, Dennis Rader, aka BTK was and voted Democrat and the list continues.
Does that mean all people who identify themselves as Democrats are criminals or naively brainwashed stupid? No. There are plenty of upstanding, smart and successful people who vote and ID themselves as Democrats. But they are the exception rather than the rule.
It’s an old CNN article about how both Kerry and Edwards hold a “ten point lead” against Bush.
Right, Khahn, that was before the “orange alert! orange alert! buy duct tape NOW! and feel free to PANIC NOW!”
Also, the Swiftboating of Kerry had not yet begun.
DING DING DING DING!
Dammit, Joe. Just when you have a string of reasonable posts, you go and blow it with a totally asinine statement.
http://conservafools.blog-city.com/dennis_rader.htm
Dennis Rader of Park City, Kansas, looked like a fine, upstanding, American as apple pie, conservative citizen. He was a city code enforcer with a fetish for detail. He was so admired by the local Republican establishment that they appointed him to the Sedgwick County Animal Control Advisory Board. A staunch conservative, Rader was a rising star in the county Republican machine – and Republican machines are happy to dole out government jobs and other important positions to supporters, regardless of how qualified they are. (Just ask Ernie Fletcher.)
But in February, Rader’s halo was tarnished when he confessed to at least 6 of the brutal slayings attributed to the previously unidentified BTK serial killer. He is now facing trial for the murders.
For some reason, we aren’t surprised at the confessed BTK strangler’s political affiliation. After all, Ted Bundy was a Republican. Timothy McVeigh was registered as a Republican in the state of New York. The South Carolina woman who drove her kids into a lake was part of a diehard right-wing Republican family.
Modern American conservatism has attracted individuals of a controlling personality type. When people like Gingrich and DeLay bully opponents to get their way, it shows. Notice how all the bullies you remember from school now describe their own political views as conservative in their Classmates profile. The new brand of conservatism is a fertile ground for violent thugs.
Ding Ding Ding!
Credible Source
“However, he has confessed to consistently voting Democrat as another part of his bizarre double-life.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader
http://www.nndb.com/people/612/000091339/
Dennis RaderAKA Dennis Lynn Rader
Born: 9-Mar-1945Birthplace: Wichita, KS
Gender: MaleReligion: LutheranRace or Ethnicity: WhiteSexual orientation: StraightOccupation: CriminalParty Affiliation: Republican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader
Rader served on both the Sedgwick County’s Board of Zoning Appeals and the Animal Control Advisory Board (appointed in 1996 and resigned in 1998). He was also a member of Christ Lutheran Church, a Lutheran congregation of about 200 people. He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected president of the Congregation Council. He was also a Cub Scout leader and registered member of the Republican Party.
Yeah, because we should believe what he SAYS, not what he does.
Dem:
carr brothers, their mammy, grandmammy etc.OJ simpsonwen ho lee (traitor)mark richthe rosenbergs and ALL of the other commie subversivesALL wetbacks voting illegally in this countryall social parasites, most criminalsetc, etc, etc,
Besides, you said he WAS a democrat.
WRONG!
Republicans are the big tent party. Room for serial killers too.
I wonder if serial killer George Tiller is a Republican?
Sounds alot like, profiling, judging a group by the actions of one or a few……Democrat ideals
Republicans:
Whore mongers–Dick Cheney
Whore mongers who give their wives VD from whores–Neil Bush
Whore mongers who wear diapers–Vitter
Child molestors–Catholic priests
Serial killers–see above
Closeted gays that abuse people–Jim West
AWOL during war-time–George W. Bush
Got their girlfriend an abortion when it was illegal–George W. Bush
Graft and whores–Randy Duke Cunningham
Racist graft–Jack Abramoff
Convicted perjurer–Scooter Libby
That’s the short list . . .
I don’t think you want to continue this, Jonas Outhouse.
I understand that Dr. Tiller is a Dem. As of yet, no Dem is claiming him. Why not? Planned Parenthood called Dr. Tiller “a national treasure”.
I wonder how many lives Dr. Tiller has ended over the years?
But I digress. I think that the reason no one is running away with the nomination is that Republicans have a tough choice. There are several qualified candidates. As opposed to Democrats. Are there any really qualified Dems who are polling more than 5%?
As they conspire to knock out the 2nd tiers.
Joe Williams,
“Because most voters, especially those whos political affiliation is Democrat, couldn’t name the Vice President, never heard of the Bill of Rights, couldn’t recite the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance and so on.”
When you say stupid things such as this, you should expect for CF2K to call you, well, stupid. If you don’t like being called stupid by CF2K, it would be a good idea not to post stupid things.
The Repubicans as the “big tent” party–sheesh. Joe Williams bizarro world sails on.
JO,
Didn’t you get Joe Williams’ memo? You Repubicans have the “big tent,” and talking like racist white trash isn’t helping.
“Are there any really qualified Dems who are polling more than 5%?”
Here are three: ” Hillary Clinton had 36 percent support, Barack Obama had 20 percent, and John Edwards had 11 percent.”
But my first choice is still Richardson.
“Most of all convicted violent criminals in prison align themselves as Democrats. Fred Phelps and family are Democrats, Dennis Rader, aka BTK was and voted Democrat and the list continues.”
Dennis Rader was- and still is- a Republican.
What we have here is another poll made to make news. There is nothing special about some voters not deciding on a candidate almost a year before ballots are to be cast.
proudman – on this we agree. Wake me up after Labor Day …
Oh Joe…..
http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-Nov-18-Thu-2004/25282193.html
Outlander- spoken like a true Operation Rescue hero! And calling him a serial killer to boot!
Serial killer Ted Bundy was also an active Republican.
You know Republicans are running scared when they start making wild, hysterical claims like ALL serial killers are Democrats.
six days, six weeks, surely not six months said the republican defense secretary donald rumsfeld about how long the iraq war would last. why vote for more lies ?
Sigh….no matter who the GOP nominee eventually is, Kansas will back him. Kansas is simply too narrow-minded to consider a progressive candidate for president. No matter where I travel, Kansas is the subject of jokes and unflattering comments. I am afraid that we will forever be associated with backwardness and hicks.
I am afraid that we will forever be associated with backwardness and hicks.
Posted by: Jeff Schueler | July 19, 2007 at 07:56 AM
Interesting comments Jeff.
Perhaps the knowledge of being Kansan has eluded you somehow.
When I was stationed in Germany, the Germans thought Wyatt Earp and buffalo when I mentioned I was from Kansas. This did not bother me as that’s all they were exposed to via media.
But you know what? We Kansans know we are and that’s what is important.
“The middle class would dissolve as the rich took control of everything, and previously middle class would turn poor almost overnight.”
What you are describing is what is happening under the Bush administration.
If Kahn is blocked, how is he still posting here? If nothing else, you’d think he’d get the hint that he is a persona non grata.
The Blog — It aint just for Kansans anymore!!
I understand that Dr. Tiller is a Dem. As of yet, no Dem is claiming him. Why not? Planned Parenthood called Dr. Tiller “a national treasure”.
Just show how much you DON’T know,Outie! Mr. Tiller and family is a registered Republican! Why do you think the Republican party doesn’t go all out to get this man? It’s because his contributions go mainly to the Republican party. Oh, he donated funds to the Democratic party to oust Phil-The-Thrill Kline. But a lot of Republicans did likewise. Tiller is a Republican. Want proof? Ask the Republican party for their affiliation list! You’ll be embarassed!!!