On a newly released videotape, a tired-looking Osama bin Laden reportedly praises martyrdom. Interesting how he considers it so glorious to die in the name of jihad, and says even the Prophet Muhammad "had been wishing to be a martyr," yet bin Laden is content to leave the suicide bombing to others.
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Another “do as I say, not as I do” moment.
All OBL has to offer is membership in a death cult. I find it extraordinarily difficult to believe that such a cult could do lasting harm to the West, much less replace Western civilization with a worldwide caliphate.
A death cult: this is why I find it so diffiult to believe that OBL’s “brand” of Islamism is such a threat to us in the West in the long run. In the short run, of course they can harm us. Physically, they can harm us and our infrastructure. But if we don’t show fear and stand by our principles, what lasting harm can come to Western civilization from a death cult?
He’s the leader of little more than a death cult. I know that such a death cult can do great harm to us (especially with their intelligence, imagination and the availability of readily potable WMD like suitcase nukes or bioweapons), but in the long run?
Do we believe in Western ideals, or not? Because if we do (and I certainly do), then OBL’s cult of death can’t topple the West in the long run.
Hell, western ideals were put on hold from the time of the fall of Constantinople until roughly the time Petrarch helped to revive Greek classicalism. For nearly a thousand years western ideals were ignored, trampled, and kept largely at bay by even European kings and queens — and still they rose on their own strength to dominate the world today.
There is no way that a handful of desperate and incredibly dangerous, rogue Islamists can threaten the West.
Unless we allow them to, that is. We just need to stand behind and believe in Western ideals.
Not that we shouldn’t pursue bringing OBL to justice. The best thing that could happen with this guy would be to capture him and give him a fair trial. Let us stand behind our principles. Second only to that, there isn’t anything wrong with killing him dead, either.
I just wish we in the US could learn from and profit by the reaction of the English to terrorism. The national reaction to terrorism in England can be summed by “So what? We’re not budging an inch – NOTHING will change, nothing will be different, no material action will any different than before.”
Under Bush, of course, the reaction has been to run around like a chicken with its head cut off. In Iraq we’ve allowed ourselves to indulge in little more than punching an innocent bystander.
Nice summary, Pedant. Well thought out.
“Do as I say, not as I do.” Hmmm. Who else does that sound like? Oh, right:
“I’ll fire anyone in my Administration who was involved in leaking the name of a CIA agent.”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/
Bush and Bin Laden: two peas in a pod.
Finally, a thread that doesn’t bash the prez, Republicans or Christians!
Here’s your chance libs to trash the murderous architect of 911.
They won’t. I bet they try to convert it to a Bush bash.
Whoops, they already did.
I wish OBL would follow his own advice.
outlander,
Bashing OBL is redundant: we all agree that he is a bad man.
That’s why we think the Bush Administration should have caught him by now: OBL is a bad man.
If poor Bush didn’t have al-Qaida to wave in our face, he’d probably have to threaten that the Boy Scouts had changed their creed and were attacking.
Far fetched? Compared to what?
See there, I didn’t blame the Jews, so this would have to be anti-Scoutism? “A Be Prepared” “denier?”
Kind of like the Cons, “Go fight the war, while I cheer you on”.
The “war” is between “I want to kill you” {US} and “I don’t want to be killed” {them}.
That’s a “war?”
What a difference. In the war in Iraq we admire the Americans who die while killing the enemy. Osama bin Laden admires those who die by killing themselves while killing the enemy. Huh? There is a difference, right? There just has to be a difference……
Bin Laden should no doubt be captured and killed, Pakistan be damned.Is the war on terror over to you at that point?
Kind of like the Cons, “Go fight the war, while I cheer you on”.
Posted by: The Phantom | July 16, 2007 at 03:00 PM
So there are no Republicans in the armed service?Probably about the exact opposite.Perhaps you should ask a serviceperson what they think of the likes of the anti-war crowd.Or are they just to stupid to know better (ala John Kerry). C’mon, say it. You know you want to…….
“All OBL has to offer is membership in a death cult.”
“A death cult: this is why I find it so diffiult to believe that OBL’s “brand” of Islamism is such a threat to us in the West in the long run.”Posted by: Pedant | July 16, 2007 at 01:27 PM
Pedant, I’m going to respectfully disagree with you on this one.
Americans value life, especially their own and it’s very difficult to understand that some people don’t fear death like we do. To us, death is the worst thing that can happen; to a lot of people, not so much. It’s very difficult to fight a war against people who aren’t afraid to die. While not all Muslims are prepared to strap on a suicide vest, I’ll bet we would be surprised at how many of them are. Especially in defense of their homeland, their religious beliefs, their existence as a people, or their way of life. To a lot of Muslims, that’s exactly what’s at stake; their very existence. And us telling them any different doesn’t really cut it. To them we truly are “The Great Satan”, the Infidel.
Much as I hate to say it, we can’t just walk away from this war. We got into it for all the wrong reasons, but that doesn’t really matter any more. The fact is, we’re in it now and if we do anything less than win, and win decisively, we’re in for a whole world of shit. While we get something less than 20% of our oil from the mideast, a lot of our allies get their oil from the mideast, too. There’s only a set amount of oil on the world market, so a major cut in mideast oil supply isn’t going to help our economy. And let’s keep in mind, they can probably sell ALL of their oil to China.Consider what $150 per barrel of oil on the world market would do to us.
Mideast oil is strategically critical to us. There’s just no way we can let it fall into the hands of people who hate us.
That would be the Iraqies. Because there is just no way they are going to roll over for al-quida.Bush is pumping up the Al-quida threat drumbeat. Sure they’ve had time to recuperate in Pakistan and get back up to speed, while twiddle dee and twiddle dum, have had us bogged down in Iraq for the last 4 years.
This bin laden sounds like a guy that maybe the us ought to get after!
The Democratic Presidential nominees are asking for Tax Martyrs for all the social programs they are cooking up. They’re millionaires, they have theirs and now they want yours.
The only thing Osama bin Laden should be saying is “hell sure is hot.”
The fact that we are still subjected to this fanatics’ ravings tells us beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush is our
Worst.
President.
Ever.
XXX,
The oil-exporting nations of the Middle-East have a vested interest in the health of western economies. If they aren’t exporting oil, they aren’t going to be _importing_ food, and the water-purification technology, they _must_ have in order to survive. Their populations have become wholly export-dependent; none of those nations can produce enough food to feed their peoples.
If they cut oil exports off, or push the price of oil to the point where western economies collapse, the blowback would be devastating. You can bet the rulers of the oil-exporting nations recognize this danger, which is why so many of them joined with the United States for the first Gulf War. Destruction of oil production and exporting will destroy the exporting nations – just like the industrialized west, they are wholly dependent on exported oil!
Finally, a thread that doesn’t bash the prez, Republicans or Christians!
Here’s your chance libs to trash the murderous architect of 911.
They won’t. I bet they try to convert it to a Bush bash.
Whoops, they already did.
Posted by: outlander
If the Republicans would stop acting holier than thou – then they would not be bashed.
If Bush would actually think about the man that masterminded the 9/11 – Bin Laden – then maybe Bush would not ne bashed.
And as for Christians being bashed – what planet are you living on? There are Christians and then there are the so-called Christians who are those politicians being caught with their pants down (or diapers on) as the case may be.
Bush promised to restore honesty and integrity to the White House. That has never happened because Bush still keeps moving his lips. If his lips are moving – he’s lying.
And the so-called self-righteous Christians ‘forgive’ their own when the deviant sex scandals hit the news but yet these same so-called self-righteous Christians bash everyone else on the blog who do not look the other way when their church leaders and politicians get caught.
thank you preacher fred, now go panhandle your sermon on Broadway, there are souls to be saved.
OBL has offered himself up several times as a living target for Bushco.
Bushco has chosen not to go after him.
;>
That’s because George no longer sees him as a threat. Don’t you remember?
Back in the seventies when I was in my late teens, my dad told me that the likes of Al-Qaeda is the worst enemy this country could have. “In a war it is the fear of dieing that can stop the fighting, but these people (the martyrs types) are willing to kill themselves to kill you. They just will not stop!”
I am not sure exactly what brought it up unless it was Munich 1972, but I still remember it was chilling to hear him say it.
“The oil-exporting nations of the Middle-East have a vested interest in the health of western economies. If they aren’t exporting oil, they aren’t going to be _importing_ food, and the water-purification technology, they _must_ have in order to survive.”Posted by: Tom | July 16, 2007 at 06:48 PM
Tom, they don’t need us. There’s always China and Russia. They could probably sell all of their oil to China. Or at least enough to wreck our economy. And we’re not the only ones who have and sell water purification tech.
It’s the danger of religion..for those poor fools, becoming a hero, going to heaven and enjoying all those virgins is WAY better than the pathetic life they have on this earth. Who could resist?They believe God is on their side and were so sure He’s on ours…so the wars go on and on and on.
When religion ceases to exist, maybe there will be no more war. One could only hope.
In order to kill a human being you have to build a lot of fear and hate; turns out religion provides the perfect vehicle for getting people all worked up, threatened and hating. You’re right Mary that without religion there could be more peace.
Religion really feeds the “us” and “them” attitude…we’re hardly the “brotherhood of man”.
The Democratic Presidential nominees are asking for Tax Martyrs for all the social programs they are cooking up. They’re millionaires, they have theirs and now they want yours.
Posted by: Kansas
Are you saying that no Republican presidential candidate is a millionaire? Which ones, Kansas, would qualify as middle income? Just give me one name in that band of merry men.
The difference is that Republicans want to float the elderly, sick, and poor out on the icebergs so they won’t have to spend any money or be bothered with them.
thank you preacher fred, now go panhandle your sermon on Broadway, there are souls to be saved.
Posted by: Kansas
Unlike you Kansas, I do not patronize South Broadway so I’m afraid I cannot help you with your wish.
I don’t know fred, which one is for socialization of the U.S., with the exception of Ron Paul.
I don’t think Governor Huckabee is a millionaire that I’m aware. Huckabee sure isn’t for turning the U.S. into another Socialized Country.
XXX,
It doesn’t matter if the Middle East sells their oil to China or to the United States. The only way they can significantly cut the supply of oil reaching the industrialized west is to _stop pumping._ If they stop pumping, the cost of oil goes up for everyone, simultaneously.
It doesn’t even matter if they sell China oil at a reduced cost. China can only use so much at any given time, and they’d just turn around and resell any extra on the world markets.
And it doesn’t matter _where_ desalinization plants are manufactured, but it _does_ matter if the high-tech industrial west can produce and deliver said plants.
Anyway, the point about food remains. They can’t feed their populations without food imports, and they need oil exports to pay for them. Trading oil-for-food with China isn’t going to work, as China barely grows enough for its own population. They must buy food on international markets.
The way to end terrorist attacks on the US is to make the attacking us so costly that no one would dare do it. It is hard to stop suicide attacks when its backed by religious fever yet I think that it would be hard to recruit bombers if it meant that their entire family would be killed in response. If terrorist want to behead people then we execute someone we have. If a village harbors a terrorist then we wipe it out. Pakistan which is supposed to be our “ally” doesn’t want to allow us to hunt for Bin Laden inside its borders then we start by cutting all its military aid. If that doesn’t work then cutting economic aid, progressing to trade embargo’s, freezing assets, cutting off food and medical supplies etc. Some how I don’t think that our government lacks the balls to really do whats necessary to end terrorism.
Don’t think the terrorists can be bullied into anything Tom. They gladly blow up their own just to make a point. We’re not fighting the Germans this time, these people want to die.
XXX,
You wrote: “To a lot of Muslims, that’s exactly what’s at stake; their very existence.”
I agree, but I’m not convinced that those are the Muslims led by OBL. Those Muslims are by definition unconcerned for their existence. The Muslims who kill themselves are fighting for nihilism. I don’t see how a caliphate, an Islamic theocracy, can rise from nihilism.
“The fact is, we’re in it now and if we do anything less than win, and win decisively, we’re in for a whole world of shit.”
What is victory in Iraq? What will it look like? How will you know when we’ve achieved it? Please define a “decisive” victory. I don’t think one exists, not in your or my lifetime. Not even in the lifetime of our children’s children, IF you define victory as a Western-style democracy that unites all Iraqis within its geographic boundary (because I don’t think Islam has done the heavy philosophical lifting yet that we in the West went through during the Enlightenment).
I guess we’ll have to postpone any discussion of whether wer’e “in for a whole world of shit” or not until after you define decisive victory.
“Consider what $150 per barrel of oil on the world market would do to us.”
First off, it makes no sense to reason that oil producers of any nation would take steps to kill its biggest customer before it can replace the US with China and India. And those economies aren’t close yet to buying 100% of ME output. Especially while the previously best customer’s busy inventing ways to do without oil. Even if China and India both bought all of the ME oil, they couldn’t use it. They’re not going to inventory that oil. They’ll sell it on the spot market instead. To Americans. Do you think the US would shutter our economy if we couldn’t buy oil from the ME?
But. For the sake of argument, say you’re right: one day the US can somehow never buy oil in global markets. In that case.
Sure, oil at that price would hurt us. There might be a recession, maybe even an economic depression. But maybe not — after all, we’re an ingenious nation with some pretty smart engineers. We just might surprise you and innovate our way right out of such a catastrophe.
But even if we didn’t, this would harm us only in the short run, unless we allow our principles to collapse and we degenerate as a civilization. In that case, sure. If all it takes is $150/barrel oil to bring down Western civilization, then I guess OBL wins.
In my opinion, though, Western civilization is far more resilient than that. In the long run, the principles of Western thought are so strong that the only way the ideas can be defeated is from within.
If we just stand for what’s made us what we are, then we’ll be ok. If you’re arguing that a caliphate can rise from nihilism, then I’m going to argue that it can’t if in one hand if offers death and in the other it offers Islam. I just don’t beileve it’s possible for a moral theocracy to rise from nihilism. Humans won’t form a “social contract” with any such government, not in the long run. Such a long run can’t be sustained, it doesn’t exist. In the long run, Western democracies are the best humans can do in the long run.
couple of very thoughtful and interesting posts today Pedant.
Keep up the good word smithing.
Developing oil replacement technology sounds like a fairy tale, like “wouldn’t it be great if money grew on trees” but it needs to be a goal, because, 1) oil is limited in supply 2) our dependence on foreign oil puts us at economic and security risk 3) eliminating the need for oil limits the economic resources of oil producing countries, and 4) because if we don’t develop replacement technology, others will profit off us when they do, and don’t forget 5) burning of fossil fuels may be harmful to the environment
Al Gore and the democrats would be happy, because the US wouldn’t be contributing to global warming, and the republicans would be happy, because kickin the terrorists in the dinar is where it will hurt them most.
In the past we have had continued economic prosperity by being leaders in the industrial and technological revolutions, but we won’t likely be able to maintain that economic prosperity unless we are at the forefront of the energy revolution as well.
If Bush had been any kind of leader, Bin Laden would’ve had his martyrdom by now!
“When religion ceases to exist, maybe there will be no more war. One could only hope.”
The problem, Mary, is not religion. The problem is false religion.
Outlander,
You must be talking about the Papal decree that declares all churches but the Catholic Church “defective,” and restates the Catholic position that only those baptized into the Catholic Church are eligible for salvation.
Right?
Uh.. no.
Outlander,
But the Pope has declared all other religions to be false, same as you implied in your 6:38 post. So you must be in agreement with him.
Right?
Tom,
Get a grip. Has the Pope called for people to strap explosives to themselves and blow up woman and children?
Wow, any topic for you to bash Christianity. Hate much Tom?
Sol,
Please paste in where I have _ever_ stated or implied the words you’ve just put into my mouth.
The Pope can say what he wants. I agree with some of Catholic principles and teachings, but not all. I’m not Catholic.
But sol is right. Christianity is not the religion that is spawning terrorists worldwide. And as a result of the acts of Muslim terrorists, good, peaceful Muslims are looked at with suspicion. Heck, your doctor could be a terrorist!
You’d think they would get tired of that and start putting the radicals down.
Outlander,
So how, then, do you define a “false religion?”
You derailed Outtie’s comment Tom. It is painfully easy to see. You took the opportunity to bash Christianity – yet again – most specifically the Catholic church.
Are you going to be a Christian bashing one trick pony like cosmos is on GW?
The problem is false religion.Posted by: outlander | July 17, 2007 at 06:38 AM
Sol,
This isn’t about Christianity-bashing, so stop making up crap I didn’t say or type.
I’d like Outlander to tell me how he defines a “false” religion, and how he defines a “true” religion. I offered one way – the Papal Decree. He rejected that definition of “true” religion, but didn’t tell me how he goes about knowing the difference between one and the other.
Last night, on another thread, there was an atheist who took it upon herself to define what a “real” Christian was vs. a “hypocrite.” In the same way I’m questioning Outlander’s claims of “false” religion, I questioned the atheist poster.
Different people worship God / Allah / Buddha / fill-in-your-favorite-deity in varying ways. In Christianity, the Catholics emphasize the suffering of Christ; the Mennonites emphasize the peace of Christ’s message; the Army of God emphasize Jesus’ comments about the sword. Fred Phelps says God “hates fags;” the Episcopalian Church ordains openly-gay bishops.
Everyone has their own way of finding inner strength from their faith and faith traditions. The problem is not, and never has been, one of “true” vs “false” religions. The problem has _always_ been the desire of some people to control the lives of others. They just use their religion as justification.
I think it’s the absolute height of arrogance for any person, religious or not, to define the terms of _another_ person’s faith or lack thereof. I see no practical difference between the ayatollahs of the Middle East, the Catholic Pope, and officals of the Southern Baptist Convention. They have all decided that it’s their way or eternal damnation.
Outlander,
You must be talking about the Papal decree that declares all churches but the Catholic Church “defective,” and restates the Catholic position that only those baptized into the Catholic Church are eligible for salvation.
Right?
Posted by: Tom | July 17, 2007 at 07:31 AM
Any rational clear thinking individual reading previous posts and outie’s can plainly to which ‘religion’ he was referring.
You chose to attack the Pope.
A spade is a spade no matter how it chooses to describe itself.
How is stating the Pope’s position, quoting his language, an attack on the Pope?
Amazing.
I see no practical difference between the ayatollahs of the Middle East, the Catholic Pope, and officals of the Southern Baptist Convention. They have all decided that it’s their way or eternal damnation.
Posted by: Tom | July 17, 2007 at 09:39 AM
Come on Tom, let’s lighten up just a little. If you can see no difference, the I suggest that you go to the ayotollahs of the middle east, and speak to them about gay marriage and openly being gay.
LOL — WTG LJ
Tom,
And once again you side step the meat of the comments. It is plain to see whom outie was referring.
Have you been taking lessons from Republican? You are following his steps closely now…
Littlejohn,
I’d get just as far with the ayatollahs as I’d get with Phelps or Terry Fox or Richard Land. All that keeps them from imprisoning me or killing me are the protections afforded me by the United States Constitution’s prohibition on establishment of religion. You know – the part that _declines_ to say what religions are “true” or “false.”
Sol,
I’m on the same point I was on a couple of hours back: the arrogance of any one person who declares one religion “true” and all other religions “false.”
“All that keeps them from imprisoning me or killing me are the protections afforded me by the United States Constitution’s prohibition on establishment of religion.”
First, I don;t believe that crap, and neither do you. If you do, you are far more paranoid than I thought’
Second, none of those people are the Pope, or the Leaders of the Southern Baptist convention
And you know how far you’d get with the Ayotallohs. They’d kill you on the spot.
Dateline Sichita, Ks
Today a church on the corner of hate and haight was found to be a hotbed of hatred and murderous activity. A part of a major conspiracy, to spread their vile practices througout the city, the state, and the world. Among the most damaging articles found was a book said to be authored by the founder. the most telling and heinous statments within the book
“I am the way, the truth, and the life” and “go , and make disciples”
The name of this book. the Bible
A spade is a spade Tom. Straw men, republikhan tactics, still a spade.
Littlejohn,
Google “quarantine gays,” then tell me I’m “paranoid.”
Sol,
Please tell me how one knows the difference between a “true” religion and a “false” religion.
Calling yourself a religion of peace, then strapping explosives to yourself and detonating in a crowded area.
Have you not seen a TV over the past 4 years Tom? Surely you could have figured that out w/o little old me explaining it to you.
Sol,
That doesn’t tell me Catholicism is a false religion, that only tells me that Timothy McVeigh had a lot of hate in his heart and deci…oh wait, you’re talking about ISLAMIC bombers.
Quoting myself:
“Everyone has their own way of finding inner strength from their faith and faith traditions. The problem is not, and never has been, one of “true” vs “false” religions. The problem has _always_ been the desire of some people to control the lives of others. They just use their religion as justification.”
Timothy McVeigh vs thousands if Islamic radicals. Oh you made your point SOOOOO well Tom.
Sol,
I’m glad you finally got my point that defining a religion as “true” or “false” does not depend on the bad acts of a few evil individuals who claim one religion or another as their own.
And was it also reported that McVeigh was screaming “I do this in the name of Christ?” after the explosion? Whoops. Looks like McVeigh didn’t do it for religion Tom.
Yet another straw man from Tom. Republikhan would be ever so proud.
From http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/hill873.htm
Paul Hill, a former Presbyterian minister and fervent anti-abortionist, used a shotgun to kill Dr. John Bayard Britton and his bodyguard, retired Lt. Col. James Herman Barrett, as they drove into a Pensacola abortion clinic in 1994. Hill told reporters that his death would make him a “martyr” in the anti-abortion movement and that he expected a “reward” in Heaven. Hill was a regular protester at the clinic and stepped out of the way as the truck, with Dr. Britton and Barrett inside, pulled into the parking area. As Barrett got out of the vehicle, Hill fired a shotgun four times at him, then reloaded and fired again, killing both Britton and Barrett. James Barrett’s wife, 68 year old June Barrett, was also in the car and wounded. At his trial, Hill attempted to present a defense claiming that his actions had been justifiable homicide, since he had killed the two men in order to prevent the murder of unborn children. The judge refused to allow this argument in court, and Hill refused to present any other defense. He was sentenced to death and rejected any effort to appeal the verdict. Hill became the first killer of an abortion clinic doctor to be executed.
Hill’s last words:
“The last thing I want to say: If you believe abortion is a lethal force, you should oppose the force and do what you have to do to stop it. May God help you to protect the unborn as you would want to be protected.”
More staw men Tom. Bravo.
Once you hit the thousands (as in the radicals in the middle east and Europe) then your tripe might not stink so bad Tom.
By the way, I have a lighter for your straw men. You have failed in your attempt to emulate republikhan and derail the topic. An ‘F’ for you Tom. But keep trying… keep trying.
“The happy (man) is the one that God has chosen him to be a martyr,” added bin Laden”
“Hill told reporters that his death would make him a “martyr” in the anti-abortion movement and that he expected a “reward” in Heaven.”
Tell me again: How do you define “false” religion, and how do you define “true” religion? How do you tell the difference? How is my questioning of anyone who claims this privilege somehow “Christianity bashing?”
OK Tom, you have become extremely boring on this. If you would like to make the statement that the Pope and the Ayatollahs are one in the same, then you have the freedom to be that ignorant and spew forth your ignorance on this blog.
Enjoy your freedom Tom, enjoy.
So what you’re telling me is: You don’t have any answer that goes beyond personal attacks. Yet you compare _me_ to the troll.
Nice.
Once you hit the thousands (as in the radicals in the middle east and Europe) then your tripe might not stink so bad Tom.
By the way, I have a lighter for your straw men. You have failed in your attempt to emulate republikhan and derail the topic. An ‘F’ for you Tom. But keep trying… keep trying.
Posted by: SolDevVB | July 17, 2007 at 10:43 AM
And once again, as long as you use his tactics, you will be compared. Spade is a spade.
I see no practical difference between the ayatollahs of the Middle East, the Catholic Pope, and officals of the Southern Baptist Convention. They have all decided that it’s their way or eternal damnation.Posted by: Tom | July 17, 2007 at 09:39 AM
The Pope advocates stoning to deathTRIPE
The Pope advocates beheadingTRIPE
The Pope advocates killing yourself along with as many people as possibleTRIPE
The Pope advocates violence of any kindTRIPE.
The wreak surrounding you is indefinable Tom.
This is the first blog heading I have seen in a long time that actually makes sense. There are still some cells that work in the brain of the Liberal Eagle. I am surprised that a liberal has actually put two and two together.
I wish to heck that we would hurry up sending Osama Bin Laden to his martyrdom. They may be running out of virgins, but our Marines are making darn sure they are not running out of martyrs!
“This is the first blog heading I have seen in a long time that actually makes sense. There are still some cells that work in the brain of the Liberal Eagle.”
That’s pretty damned hilarious!
Ok, john_s, I “get” it. Here are some more PROFOUND INSIGHTS for YOUR brain cell to absorb:
Hitler hated jews!
Stalin killed millions!
Dennis Rader was a cruel man!
The Soviet Union was a police state!
Whoops, sorry, that last one was wayyyy too complicated, wasn’t it? Sorry about that!