What do we make of this? A Washington Post piece reports that an embattled President Bush, besieged by bad news and dismal polls, has been inviting leading historians, theologians and philosophers in to help him find answers to questions such as: What is the nature of good and evil in the post-Sept. 11 world? How will history judge what we’ve done? Do people abroad hate the United States or just Bush’s personality?
(On that latter question, one historian told Bush it was partly him they hate.)
Sounds like a remarkable exercise for a president not given to self-examination or reflection. Give Bush some credit for even asking the Big Questions.
Still, the dialogue doesn’t appear to be leading Bush to any change of course or epiphany.
Friends describe the president as “serene” and “amazingly calm.” That’s because, they say, Bush believes he’s doing the right thing and his legacy is in the hands of history and God.
In other words, despite the rap sessions, he’s pretty much made up his mind.
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Bush?? Deep thoughts?? Now thats a bit of an oxymoron!!
“amazingly calm.” That’s because, they say, Bush believes he’s doing the right thing and his legacy is in the hands of history and God.”
Didn’t Hilter believe he was doing the right thing. Crazy
Here’s a deep thought for you, Bush: QUIT!
Bush worries more about his ‘legacy’ than anything else. He wants to be remembered as a great president. He will be remembered as an incompetent who stole the presidential election with the help of the oil and gas industry and Dick Cheney. He will be more hated in history then Nixon or LBJ. Both of them thought they were doing the right thing. What Bush doesn’t understand, there is a big difference between beliving you are doing the right thing, and really doing the right thing.
What a great opportunity to bash Bush provided by the WE again. He’ll be remembered for doing the right things such as removing Saddam from power, fighting terrorist, appoint conservatives judges, lowering taxes that provides a strong economy. Now on the other hand you who tell the lies such as Bush stealing an election, the war was for oil and other such garbage won’t be remembered for anything. You have no legacy or value, why don’t you quit?
Somehow this reminds me of nixon talking to the portraits in the White House in his last days in office.
Bush is just as bat shit crazy, but too bad for America, he’s not in his last days of office.
IMPEACH!
“IMPEACH!”
All talk, no action. *Shocker!*
370H–We don’t need the Eagles help to bash Bush, we can do it all by ourselves.
“Friends describe the president as “serene” and “amazingly calm.” “That’s because, they say, Bush believes he’s doing the right thing and his legacy is in the hands of history and God.In other words, despite the rap sessions, he’s pretty much made up his mind.”
Right and wrong do not hinge on approval ratings. I have no doubt that President Bush is doing what he thinks to be the very best thing for this country. History will, in fact, be the judge.
This country elected him (twice, I might add)to exercise his best judgment. Why should he be in angst over doing what he was empowered to do, and what he thinks is right?
If Randy is looking for Bush to have an epiphany, to turn hard left and validate his opinions, well, it will be a long wait.
“Right and wrong do not hinge on approval ratings.”
Maybe not, but elections DO!
This country elected him (twice, I might add)to exercise his best judgment. Why should he be in angst over doing what he was empowered to do, and what he thinks is right?Posted by: outlander | July 03, 2007 at 08:08 AM
This is the fundamental problem with the mindset of the right. We did not elect him to do what he thinks is right. He as elected to represent the will of the American people. This is the arrogance of the administration. BUSH IS NOT KING!!!! And for him to turn his back on the American people and do what he wants, spits in the face of every American. You people and your monarchy make me sick! He is the president……not KING OF AMERICA!
Something smells like Liberal flesh melting. Any one else smell that? PU!
“Something smells like Liberal flesh melting. Any one else smell that? PU!”
No, that’s just the stink from the Republicans bashing Clinton for 14 years.
“What a great opportunity to bash Bush provided by the WE again. He’ll be remembered for doing the right things such as removing Saddam from power, fighting terrorist, appoint conservatives judges, lowering taxes that provides a strong economy. Now on the other hand you who tell the lies such as Bush stealing an election, the war was for oil and other such garbage won’t be remembered for anything. You have no legacy or value, why don’t you quit?”
Removing Sadamm from power, this is an international war crime you do not start a war just because you do not approve of how other countries are run.
Fighting terrorists, Osama Bin Laden is still at large and due to the ineptness shown in running the Iraq invasion more terrorists are being created every day.
Lowering taxes to provide a strong economy, Bush wanted to reclassify the lowest jobs at McDonalds and Burger King as “manufacturing jobs” to cover up the lack of real jobs being created under this administration.
Anyone who still believes the rhetoric and supports Bush is a fool. ’nuff said.
“My Pet Goat” is as deep as Bush gets.
Bush and deep thoughts just do not go together. Now if the line would have been Bush and deep pockets – now that I would believe. The only thing Bush is concerned about is his own ass. He is so consumed by greed and lust for power that he cannot see beyond his nose. And then to make matters worse, his puppeteer, Dick Cheney, is worse than Georgie.
So now Bush is concerned about his legacy? No matter what he tries to do now, he will forever be remembered as the president that invaded Iraq for what Bin Laden did on 9/11. And for Bush to state that he does not even think about Bin Laden anymore was just one more slap in the face of Americans who want real justice for 9/11. Go after Bin Laden and track him down like Bush promised. Then, and only then, will Bush get some recognition as being a good leader. But I’m afraid it is too late for this sorry bunch in the White House.
Randy
“What do we make of this?”
This self evaluation thinking on Bush’s part is an indicator of how deeply he is disturbed. Or his lack of his intellectual capacities and ability to reason are impaired.
These actions on his part supports the fact that Bush was never cut-out to be a “president of the United States.” He’s immature.
On Jay Leno last night a 90 year-old Miss America said that Bush needed a “rich-kid spoiled-brat whooping”
And that pretty well sums-up a down-to-earth evaluation of his childlike personality. The deceiving part is how well Bush can read a speech { without understanding a word that being said }.
How well he can read a speech? You’re kidding right?I have a whole book of his halarious flubs!
The Post article points out that Bush is studying the Algierian war of independence.
Um….NOW?
Why the hell didn’t he think of this BEFORE going to war in Iraq?
The only thing deep about Bush is the deep shit he has put the country in.
I read the subject of the topic and laughed out loud.
The man is delusional. He doesn’t live in the real world. Never has, never will. Throughout his life, every screwup has been taken care of for him. He’s not running the country. Read the link Republican posted to the Rolling Stones article about U.S. participation in the Global Warming issue on another thread. If Cheney says jump, Georgie asks how high. Yet Bush believes he’s running the country. Whoever is doing it, they’re running it right into the ground.
God save us.
Bush will be remembered as the only President to start a pre-emptive war, without any of the justifications given for the war, being accurate.I’d say he’s pretty much killed the pre-emptive bush/cheney doctrine.
Tom, Bush is a “dry drunk” and thinks he’s on a mission from God.
Ariel Sharon, a ruthless, barbaric and clever con-man “made” Bush early-on and quickly exploited Bush’s vulnerabilities.
Bush’s may be having “second thoughts” but the con-men who surround him can easily manipulate that situation.
Bush circums to “slogans” and the so-called “war on terror” was tailor-made for this Neanderthal.
Example: How is a Palestinian defending his home, farm, land, or village a “terrorist.”
Anybody with sense enough to come-in out of the rain can see that that classification is a phony, a made-up word to draw sympathy { and money } for the Zionists.
Yet Bush bought it hook-line-and sinker.”
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This person is a miserable excuse for a man.
we did NOT elect him twice, he stole it both times. Had he not let 9/11 happen, he would NEVER have had the opportunity to steal it again.
Now he is criminal and commuted scooters sentence so he can’t testify against the crimes Cheney and Bush have committed on us the American people.
They have no disregard for the constitution and you 29% that still support this criminal are just ignorant and irrelevant by this time.
I have no use for any repukes and will never do business with them nor will I EVER help them if they are in need because they are selfish non-compassionate bastards.
“we did NOT elect him twice, he stole it both times. Had he not let 9/11 happen,…”
leave, you a very good example of what the Libs are. Congratulations! Whiney, impotent, given to fits drooling while ranting. All sound and fury, no action. Hate filled.
nanna nanna hey hey good bye
that is what is gonna happen to ALL repukes. Your party has screwed you and you didn’t even get kissed. You are all worthless sobs that wait to pounce on real thought and discourse.
YOu are nothing but Clenis Clenis
well let me tell you what you phuck. I would take a president getting a BJ any day of the week over this miserable excuse for an imposter we have now phucking up our country
Senator Sam Brownback (R- KS) – “Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes against the state. Perjury goes directly against the truth-finding function of the judicial branch of government.”
oh but that was back in 1998. The world has changed now and this is no longer relevant right? FU
Leave you really should leave the heavy stuff alone this early in the day. The punishment should fit the crime. If you and yours are really interested in justice you would be calling for Fitz to go after Armitage, the real criminal. But that isn’t what this is about is it. It was just a fishing expedition gone wrong.
On the assertion of Bush’s legacy – Bush had to take action because the former administration did nothing. He is indeed unpopular now but when the next administration takes over and shows themselves to be incompetent and weak on national security – well just look at England today. The terrorists are just waiting for this to happen. They have tested Brown in the UK and will test our next president also.
I think leave has gone over the edge. Looks like another intervention for our Libs friends.
Leave, Dick Cheney ordered the rape and sodomy of inmates and these self-professed moralists still gave him their support. Do you think Brownback is going to be upset about a little bit of perjury?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4916741.html
If it’s one thing neo-cons love, it’s sodomy.
no its you repukes that have swallowed the koolaide
I have full awareness of the bs this administration has done.
I am not anything but good and pissed off and I have had it with you repukes you are ignorant selfish sons of beaches and deserve this chimp
“If it’s one thing neo-cons love, it’s sodomy.”
That’s because it’s the Libs who are doing the catching.
My appointees to the board of pardons and paroles reflect my no-nonsense approach to crime and punishment. They believe people who commit crimes against innocent Texans should pay the consequences; they believe sentences imposed by juries should be carried out. The Texas prison system had become a revolving door earlier in the 1990s, when the prison population had far exceeded the capacity of the system.. I am proud that Texas today has virtually eliminated parole for violent criminals.Source: “A Charge to Keep”, p.151-152. Dec 9, 1999
who said this?
The Reagans had their astrologer, and Bushllit has his philosopher yes-men. What he shouldn’t try is channeling the Founding Fathers; they’d probably blow out all the circuits between there and here with their answer!
Unfortunately, the founding fathers would be aghast at the powerful federal government today. All of it, not just the never ending saga of the Bush presidency
Doug
Neocons also love the power to murder. We, the People of the United States of America have no business in Iraq. Those making the case that it serves American interests to be in Iraq are using the same logic I would be using if I made the case that everybody should paint themselves Red.
I could make-up some cockamamie reason why everybody should be Red, but that would not make it so, anymore than any reasoning that we should be in Iraq makes that so.
People are dying, maimed, and their lives are being made miserable. Old men, old women, children, babies, and American soldiers, their families are all being made to suffer by this clown Bush, and the ignorant crap that directs and supports him.
His approval rating should be 0 [zero].
actually he should be tried and hung in the hauge for crimes against the USA
Leave,Only after the world court is done with him!
I have no use for any repukes and will never do business with them nor will I EVER help them if they are in need because they are selfish non-compassionate bastards.
Posted by: leave | July 03, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Gee, I serve as a volunteer emt. It would be too bad if you were in a car accident in my territory. Not. I don’t care who needs my help. The poiont, is, they need my help, so I help. But I am not a liberal democrat, Iam a Republican. See the difference. HA!
Whilst the United States is depleting its treasury and indebting Americans to foreigners, who will ultimately trade their Treasury notes for tangible American property, it is worth noting that Europe, Japan, South Korea, China, Asia and Russia, are attending to business, strengthening their economies.
If we win in Iraq (and maybe Iran) and America gains control of Middle East oil, we’ll be in the catbird seat. If we lose, America will be in very sorry shape.
Ah a post by Randy Scholfield of merciful cathartics so the Libs can have a place to spew after hearing the news on Libby.
so now you are advocating war with iran?
jebus you are sick
little john…quite a great name…. just keep feeling that way
little john…quite a great name…. just keep feeling that way
Posted by: leave | July 03, 2007 at 12:41 PM
NOw using the old personal attack, eh?
wow. I;m impressed
“What’s CEQ?” pretty much sums up Bush’s “Deep Thoughts”(sic).
‘The Secret Campaign of President Bush’s Administration To Deny Global Warming’http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign_of_president_bushs_administration_to_deny_global_warming/1On page 2,”… But what Whitman didn’t grasp was that when it came to climate, the president was largely irrelevant.
Whitman should have had her doubts. Prior to joining the Cabinet, she sought personal assurance from Bush that the EPA would be able to call its own shots without deferring to the CEQ – the Council on Environmental Quality, a policy arm of the White House. As Whitman recalls it, Bush made no effort to mask his bureaucratic ignorance. he asked blankly.
Cheney took full advantage of the president’s cluelessness, bringing the CEQ into his own portfolio. “The environment and energy issues were really turned over to him from the beginning,” Whitman says. The CEQ became Cheney’s shadow EPA, with industry calling the shots.”
Continues with lots of details. Also see video/slide show.
History will NOT look kindly on the WH’s denial of global warming.
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
guess I should become a repuke so I can live above the law like Bush, Cheney, Scooter, Coulter
would be fun to do what you want, take what you want and say what you want and not have to worry about reprocussions or what other people think and feel
“History will NOT look kindly on the WH’s denial of global warming.”
fap fap fap
oh LITTLE john
that wasn’t a compliment for you…
leave-i didn’t suppose it was, hence my remark. But then, I can read and comprehend. Apparently, you can only attack.wow. again I am impressed
fleettwood,
Yesterday, Republican posted some other quotes from this scientist.
‘Predictions of climate’http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/06/predictions_of_climate.html“A consensus has emerged that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal” to quote the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Working Group I Summary for Policy Makers http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Pub_SPM.pdf (pdf) and the science is convincing that humans are the cause.Hence mitigation of the problem: stopping or slowing greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere is essential. The science is clear in this respect.
Kevin TrenberthClimate Analysis Section, NCAR”
Leave-
why don;t you just admit that your line about not helping another person because they were “repukes” which is commonly used on this board for Republicans, was ill advised and mean spirited.If you can’t, why don’t you just “leave”
July 03, 2007Quote of the Day”I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.”
– George W. Bush, writing in his autobiography, A Charge to Keep.http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/07/03/quote_of_t...
leave,
Once again you fail to understand. Bush did not replace the verdict of the jury. He left the guilty verdict, the fine,and the probation in place, and set aside, or commuted, the jail sentence. Somthing by the way that I disagree with,but is within his constitutional authority to do
I will admit nothing
I hate all repukes and you included
if you don’t like it, you can LEAVE
little peter…once again you missed the meaning of his “commute” the pardon will come in 2008 and unka dickie has already paid the fine.
by doing what bush has done, he has kept libby from having to testify against the other criminals
leave-and you call the Republicans meanspirited.
hypocrisy, thy name is
LEAVE
“How can parents instill values and morality in their children?” asked a befuddled Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE). “How can educators teach our children? How can the rule of law for every American be applied equally if we have two standards of justice in America – one for the powerful and the other for the rest of us?”
Senate Minority Leader Bill Frist joined Hagel in slamming Bush’s actions, saying the commutation amounted to unfair treatment. “He is not above the law,” said the clearly enraged Republican from Tennessee. “If an ordinary citizen committed these crimes, he would go to jail.”
………………
Fellow Republican Texan Tom Delay, himself indicted, nonetheless issued a scathing attack on the commutation.
“No man is above the law, and no man is below the law,” Delay said, choking back tears. “That’s the principle that we all hold very dear in this country.”
I didn’t say mean spirited…I said selfish little bastards
that care for no one but themselves.
I care for a LOT of people. I share my wealth…yes I have weatlh… I don’t have to work…
I just will not share with any selfish bastards
leave-regardless of your trying to insult, you just don;t get it. Apparently, you cannot read either.
I posted”Somthing by the way that I disagree with,but is within his constitutional authority to do”
and I missed the meaning or somehow what? Shamefully posted he was within his constitutinal authority?
then again, you insult
sad to be you, i guess
leave-by the way, I could care less if you have wealth and don;t have to work. BFD. The fact that you point it out reminds me of the little trust fund babies like Paris Hilton.Like i said,
sucks to be you
Wow! Delay appears to be a better actor than Thompson! I mean tears and all that!!!
Hell, if Martha Stewart can serve 5 months for perjury, Scooter should get a little time in the clink too.
Gee, L J sounds a lot like Khan today… hmmmm….
Hey Chas.
i don’t think so. SHow me how
Delay hoping for a little sympathy toward his own cause
Chas.
leave is the one who stated that they wouldn’t help ANY republican, leave is the one who resorted to the personal insult road, though perhaps the Paris Hilton line comes close, Lave is the one who decided to take my identity anddistort it.All I have done is to point out her hypocrisy. NO?
duck …water…
keep showing your ass
oh and those quotes…were not about libby
They should have been
Chas.,by the way, i take that as a personal insult.
gee your chip just keeps getting bigger huh…
IMPEACHMENT
I pledge allegience to the bushfor whose party he runs
and to the republicthat is no more
one nationunder bush
with liberty and justice for some
Hey leave-
THis may come as a suprise to you since you obviously don;t read this blog that often, but if you think you got the goods, impeachment is the way to go. Try it, see if it works. Apparently, pelosi does not. I am not a Bush supporter. Just because I am a Republican doesn;t mean that I am, or that I am the “because they are selfish non-compassionate bastards.”that you say I am.
“and to the republicthat is no more”
See, I believe that this country can survive nearly anything, including the presidency of any single man, no matter how poor. Apparently, you do not. Hence your hatred.
Thanks L J… I had to make sure somehow… Hang in there… and yes, I know you are not the average Republican… Actually, I get along pretty good with you moderate type republicans… :-)
Leave is very angry… Cant say as I blame her… But, its better to vent that anger on here, than to vent it at some bar with a bottle!!
Hang in there Leave….
Now the president is worry about his history, his legacy.Questions for the Webloggers –
Have you notice how the president preludes to a showman’s act before he reveals his actions of guilt?What is different about the repercussions and legal position of a president in office and a president out of office?Why does it all sound like he contemplating pulling a rabbit out of his magic hat?
Something is not right about this.Please no rabid, foaming at the mouth responses, think logical.
Chas.
cool. And you know, maybe I am being naivve, but it seems to me that there are a great number of republicans like me, though I would never have considered myself moderate, at least at one time. I think both parties have been hijacked by their extremes. Then the rest scream “Those da## Republicans!” or “Thos a#$#$ Democrats!”. And those really in charge laugh their asses off.
I tend to agree with you Wiseman… Something doesnt smell just right on this one… He even has Republican senators, etc., fuming about this thing…
yes, I am VERY angry
No , I do not drink
Yes I have called many people today
No … I have no hope that our rubber stamp congress ks critters will do anything
YES IMPEACHMENT SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE
wanna know what else? I used to be a repuke
voted for Reagan Bush once Perot Perot Gore Kerry
Bushy boy screwed the pooch
No LJ not naive at all… In fact, thats probably right on the money… I KNOW the Republicans have been hijacked by their extreme… The Democrats were hijacked I know back in the 60’s by some real extremists… I am not totally sure about where the party is heading right now… I am watching it close…
“YES IMPEACHMENT SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE”
Bring it, pussies.
According to the great manmade brainwashing tool for the weak called the Bible, God doesn’t like murderers, liars and thieves. W the village idiot thus goes down swinging.
he hit the trifecta…
oh enema
you just don’t get it
hehe
Bush’s # 1 problem: The man thinks he is on some mission from GOD…
“According to the great manmade brainwashing tool for the weak called the Bible…”
Libs, you gotta love ‘em.
repukes…gotta educate them
oh and by the way..
I go to a Baptist church, I am a christian…not perfect, but no one is…and still a liberal
so … more myths debunked
OMG. A liberal baptist. You can never be forgiven, my child. Never.:)
Bring it, pussies.Posted by: fleettwood | July 03, 2007 at 02:05 PM
Only misogynistic, male chauvinist pigs use references to female genitalia as insults. This type of language says sooooo much more about the poster than it does about the targets of his namecalling.
enema – that is what Bush needs
http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1437
Does Bush have ‘presenile dementia’?July 2nd, 2007 by Erika PriceLong before political Bush-bashing became popular, or even widely accepted, critics still jabbed him repeatedly for his speech. Books of “Bushisms”, videos of Bush’s misspeakings spliced together, and comedic reproductions of the man’s halting, confused language have always dominated the pop culture reception of the President.
I use the word President specifically because Bush didn’t always speak this way. As Governor, he had at least a modicum of eloquence, and certainly much more speech-giving poise. How could a skilled and well-prepared speaker become the awkward cannon-fodder mess of a President we have today?
tom-
I’m not sure I agree with all that, maybe, but it certainly is juvenile.
LJ
somehow I think Jesus was a liberal too…
am also starting to think my pastor is too
:)
Littlejohn,
When someone uses “pussy” as an insult, it says to me that the insulter considers women to be weak and cowardly, and their bodies to be vulgar and dirty.
There are other insults people like Fleettwood could use, with equal vulgarity and effect. He could have referred to excrement, for example, or anuses, or even nose picking. But the insult he chose is one that demeans the insulted, and demeans women for the reasons I stated above.
TOM-
I guess I just never thought of it that way
Please do list our choices of expletives available on the WE Blog Tom.
I mean, I may have to object to anus, because one man’s anus is another man’s, well you know that “p” word.
;)
oh repuke
stop giving me these soft balls
tehehe
Best expletive available:
REPUBLICAN!
yup
LJ
somehow I think Jesus was a liberal too…
am also starting to think my pastor is too
:)
Posted by: leave | July 03, 2007 at 02:50 PM
must be ABA. Too bad.
:-)
5. Slang A man regarded as weak, timid, or unmanly.
fleetwood, I know you have little regard for yourself, but you didn’t have to post it pubically, we already knew
leave- please hold me.
I was numb for weeks, angry, scared. Just like everyone else. But I honestly didn’t feel any less safe against Al Queda or other terrorist groups by Christmas 2001. I found duct tape and plastic sheeting, color coded threat levels and Homeland Security to be window dressing with no substance. I will never forget, but how I go about my daily life has not been impacted tremendously by an outrageous act of violence and terror from “enemies abroad.”
However, I do feel radically changed by the egregious behavior of the U.S. government. The flagrant constitutional violations of the executive branch. The acquiescence of the legislative branch. The anticipated complicity of the judicial branch. The shock of 9/11 pales to me by comparison to the grinding and relentless madness of the last five and a half years.
Our world will never be the same. Less because of 19 hijackers than an unknown number of men and women in Washington who position themselves beyond accountability to the U.S. Constitution and their constituents. I fear this will not end well.
oh enema
you’ve nothing to hold
Should be “A President in search of a thought”.
agreed
ya all have loads of fun orgasming over your bushy and rove and cheney. I am off to party on my boat for 2 days.
catch ya all thursday
somehow I think Jesus was a liberal too…
am also starting to think my pastor is too :)
COOL!!! Happy Holiday!!
“somehow I think Jesus was a liberal too…”
John 3:16 doesn’t sound awfully liberal.
Read on Fleet… “For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved!”
“Read on Fleet…”
It’s the “through him” part that is not too liberal.
It was nearly heresy when it was first written… keep the context…
It was the very conservative Pharisees who had him killed for statements like that, and others…
Hey Fleetwood-
Chas and I disagree on many things,including some theology, but you will no doubt lose this particular argument. While Jesus was particularly nonpolitical, his teachings are vey much in line with classical liberal thought, or as it is imagined. THe difference is that jesus taught to individuals, the liberals of today have taken than to be the government. (short, maybe not great analysis)–but you get the point?
L J — Mostly right… Except that you need to remember that the Pharisees WERE the government — in Israel, and Jerusalem… even though they were occupied by the Roman armies…
“but you get the point?”
I do. He was “liberal” in many ways. Not as much as some Liberals would have you believe, though. After all, he did come with a sword.
That “sword” was metaphorical… it was the “sword” of the word of truth…
“Peace I give you.. My peace I give you.. not as the world gives, do I give you Peace”
Very Rdical words for that time frame… Nobody came preaching Peace or Love to overcome enemies.
L J — Mostly right… Except that you need to remember that the Pharisees WERE the government — in Israel, and Jerusalem… even though they were occupied by the Roman armies…
Posted by: Chas. | July 03, 2007 at 04:23 PM
you are right, of course. They were indeed the “government” within the Jewish nation because primarily control of the day to day life of the jewish people was throught the temple and it’s priests. THe words and actions of jesus put that control in jeopardy, which is one reason he was crucified. However, classical liberal thought and some classical Christian Theology thought that the individual should willingly do what he can do help the needy. Current liberal thought is to “take money from the greedy bastards who got it and give it to the needy” WIllingness doesn;t count, purely legalistic, as was the phariseical method of rule. such as how many steps you could take on the sabbath without it being work, etc.
I agree… there is a degree of that kind of legalism in some of today’s Liberal thinking… however, mostly in the secular liberal community… The Church Liberals still put strong emphasis on individual doing, giving, and being… Soup kitchens, homeless shelters, free clinics, habitat for humanity, and many others… strong emphasis on the personal…
That entire concept of taking from the haves and giving to the have nots, is one of the primary reasons our denomination doesnt put any emphasis on the mythical 10% tithe… We encourage our folks to “give accordingly as they are able…” We see that 10% figure as a sort of “church imposed” taxation of all… And God only knows, we dont need another version of the IRS lurking behind the offering plates… LOL
We need more of that from the conservative churches as well.Anyway, leaving for the day. Holiday tomorrow, so I may or may not be around. Anyway, for tomorrow, remember the sacrifices that have been made, by conservative and liberal alike, christian and atheist and “other” to give us the great country that we still have today. It cannot be swayed, it cannot be broken, even if poor men hold office for a day.GOd bless America.
Same to you!! later!!
show me someone who is cool, calm and collected in an crisis and I’ll show you someone who has thought of someone else to blame.
“show me someone who is cool, calm and collected in an crisis and I’ll show you someone who has thought of someone else to blame.
Posted by: tate | July 03, 2007 at 06:47 PM”
That is one of the most jaded things I have heard all day. I kind of feel sorry for you.
Does anyone else remember “Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy”?
I keep hoping Bush will come out with a saying like those.
chas– If you are still around.I happen to be an agnostic, but, if I was a “real” believer, I think I would be a hard nosed Baptist (except for the literal Adam and Eve, Noah, etc. parts).But, I don’t know how one can get around the John 3:16 part of “no one goes to the Father except though me”… I read this as Jews, Muslim, Hindu and on and on, cannot get to Heaven unless it is through the Christ. It seems harsh, but it’s not like He didn’t give us any warning.If you would chose to ignore this post and maybe do it another time, OK. But, that is how I read it.What say you?
If you watch David Letterman and have seen his “Great Moments in Presidential Speeches” that pretty much says it all. George Bush is incapable of deep thoughts. He’s a moron and a puppet and when we find out who’s hand is really up there moving his mouth, I’m sure we’ll all be very very surprised!
“George Bush is incapable of deep thoughts.”
He stole the election, twice, but he couldn’t find a way to bury weapons of mass destruction is the Iraq desert. Dope.
David Letterman showed it, I believe it, and that settles it.
“I believe it, and that settles it.”
Praise the Dave.
We don’t need George W. Bush’s deep thoughts. What the country needs is GWB’s Deep Throat willing to testify the last 6 years have been filled with impeachable offenses by both GWB and Dickie Cheney.
…the last 6 years have been filled with impeachable offenses by both GWB and Dickie Cheney.
Should I say, “Bring it, Sissies?”
All talk, all French. Write a letter, make a phone call. Don’t you people know how impotent and worthless you sound when you make this charge? Pussies.
leave, no one can be as stupid as you are making yourself out to be.
“leave, no one can be as stupid as you are making yourself out to be.”
Now this is weird. “leave” was going out in her 12′ aluminum boat for 2 days. Methinks something smells. More so than the flesh of a Lib melting down over Libby. (Which is a whole lot of nothing).
hey, leave left long time ago!!
and that post has it talking to itself
“and that post has it talking to itself”
I agree. Hey, fleettwood! You sure are a dope! no one can be as stupid as you.
No, I’m not.Yes, you are.Infinity
“It seems harsh, but it’s not like He didn’t give us any warning.”
Fleet — One of the reasons that the Muslims hate the West so much is just this thing here… It seems that the Muslims and the Christians are the only religions in the world who claim to have the handle on the whole truth…
SOME Christians believe that Christianity is the only way to God… Muslims believe that THEY are the only way to God….
They call US the great satan… We call them Evil Islamofacists…
Fleet… What Jesus means by that statement, is related to what he says about sheep and shepherds… All those who follow Him, come to the Father through Him… However, he also says: There are other sheep that are not of this fold… That is the open door for other religions… So, it isnt necesarily as bad as it might sound…
“One of the reasons that the Muslims hate the West so much is just this thing here”
It seems to me, there are many ways one could interpret the New Testament, but the “my way, or the highway”, that it looks like Jesus said, can not be gotten around. No matter how you look at it (I know Catholics wiggle around John 3:16), but it is too clear. I’ll have to take your word about the Muslims. Perhaps, sometimes, one has to take a stand. It seems Jesus did.
“There are other sheep that are not of this fold… That is the open door for other religions…”
So far, so good, but I have a feeling He is not letting them off the hook. Right? You still have to “go through Him”?
Fleet… IF you are one of HIS, you get to the Father through Him… As he further notes, There are other sheep that are not of his “fold”… That leaves the door open for other expressions of Faith to get to God aa well… He never required people to have “X” number of right beliefs, to be acceptable to Him… That is why I always say that Christianity is a Radical Faith… Open to all… whoever they are… wherever they are on life’s journey…
Muslims basically see anybody not of their belief, to be Infidels… Radical Muslims see Infidels as open for killing…
“Open to all… whoever they are…”
I can appreciate that, but, He made it quite clear. In fact, as clear as anything He ever said.Did He not REQUIRE belief in Him, as the Savior, to get to the Father (Heaven)? You see, that is how I read it (and others smarter and more religious than me). I’m not sure one can get all “warm and fuzzy” about what He said. Was He not extra clear in this?
Chas – my ancesters found that the Abrahamic cousins of Muslims had similar views. They ruthlessly slaughtered millions in the name of their God. This is a legacy of the European invasion/occupation of the Americas.
However, I do not conclude that ALL Christians, especially today, hold such views.
“So far, so good, but I have a feeling He is not letting them off the hook. Right? You still have to “go through Him”?
Posted by: fleettwood | July 03, 2007 at 10:33 PM ”
An arguement used against this is as follows: God loved all of mankind. He made all man in his image. He did not take the message of Jesus to all people. Would a God that loved all mankind create a situation where there is no possible way that some of his children could not get to heaven?
“This is a legacy of the European invasion/occupation of the Americas.”
It is closer to a failure to increase defense spending.The Libs in the Tribe argued for more talks. Maybe go to the UN and issue papers with lots of CAPITOL LETTERS and exclaimation points!!!!The Conservative Indians said, defend our borders. Spend more on bows and arrows. Perhaps, we could get someone to invent the wheel, or maybe a freestanding two story building. Go ahead and spend the money on research. Libs said, “How many would that feed?”The Libs won.And that’s the rest of the story.