Michael Goodwin had a commentary in Friday’s Eagle that got to the heart of many Americans’ unease about the immigration bill: They don’t trust that the government will really enforce the border. That’s no doubt why the new immigration deal announced Thursday calls for an immediate $4.4 billion investment in border security and enforcement.
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I think that has been the stickler for most since this started. We have been burned and lied to by Ted Kennedy since the ‘64 version when there were only 1 million illegals. Then again in he 80’s and in 96. So to hell with him.
If they would have put the Sensenbrenner enforcement in place last year then waited to get all the computer systems up to check every employee status , then this would have likely gone through.
But Im guessing people still dont know in this version the employer is FORBIDDEN from checking status PRIOR to hiring.
They are REQUIRED to hire first…then fire if the status is not legal.
What stupidity. I get my references and education checked PRIOR to hire…and Im a citizen.
Why do they get special treatment.
Oh, I forgot they are already a “protected minority” …so guess what you are importing about 20 million new “affirmative action” hombres.
That will be a lawyers wet dream. In fact that is why the law was dreamed up like that. They will sue you, then be on appeal for 10 years to stay in the country.
There are people still on appeal from the ‘96 immigration bill.
Let’s all please remember to check our calendars properly, and remember that the 1986 Immigration Reform Bill was under REAGAN’S watch… with a Republican controlled Congress… Let’s not get so ridiculously out of hand, and take it back to 1964 and a Kennedy… Or even try to blame it on Clinton…
Gee, the reich wing is always trying to blame it on Clinton…
Get over it!! This is NOW… not THEN… And it’s NOW a Democratic Congress… and if the Democrats cant do it either, then maybe it cant be done?? It makes both sides of the aisle just as gutless…
Somebody needs to take a strong stand on this thing one way or the other… And yes, it should be at least partially in the hands of employers… and if they violate immigration laws, they should go down… along with their illegal employees…
This isnt a Republican/Democrat issue… it’s an American issue… it’s not Left/Right… it’s about Right/Not Right…
And its about time we stopped kicking it around like the political soccer ball that it has become… and deal with the elephant in the living room…
“But Im guessing people still dont know in this version the employer is FORBIDDEN from checking status PRIOR to hiring.They are REQUIRED to hire first…then fire if the status is not legal.What stupidity. I get my references and education checked PRIOR to hire…and Im a citizen.”
There are reasons for that and you should be glad. The reason for that is because large databases often have errors in them. If you go through an interview, testing and all that and the employer says “I really wanted to give you the job but your name is not coming back as legal to work”- and then he moves on to applicant 2. Sure you can go down and get it straight but in the meantime you have lost a job because somebody made a typo while putting in your name, DOB and SS number. This way, you get hired and then if you don’t check out, the boss tells you “take this afternoon off and go get it strightened out”. You do and the boss resubmits the check and you come back clean. All this should not take over a week to do and you get to keep the job. Sure an illegal might be able to work for a week or 2 that way but few of them will go to the trouble to sneak in for that.
“CommentsI think that has been the stickler for most since this started. We have been burned and lied to by Ted Kennedy since the ‘64 version when there were only 1 million illegals. Then again in he 80’s and in 96. So”
DON’T blame the Democrats. The last amnesty was done by Reagan and the GOP. And there were fewer people sneaking in under Clinton then under Bush. It was Clinton who built the San Diego fence that had cut sneaking in through that area by 80%. Bush has not build one foot of border fence.
I support amnesty but I also agree that enforcement must come first this time. The government has ZERO credibility on this issue. First a border fence and employer enforcement. Then amnesty.
Clinton didn’t so squat, other than picking up a pen and signing the bill that Congress Hunter of San Diego had been pushing for years.
If you want to know the stalwart of border patrol and illegal immigration, you should investigate Congressman Hunter’s in the effort.
I’ve also noticed that Gov. Sebelius has been extremely quiet about the issue ever since she pushed her “in state” tuition fees for illegal aliens.
Another poll that supports the “Enforcement first and only” is one here. Only 20% wanted this POS revived.
http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/06/11/daily37.html
Kev WAKE UP there have been7 AMNESTIES!!!
There were 4 in the 1990’s.
The posturing and bickering in Washington is insanity. Make no mistake; republican or Democrat, there’s one thing we all want: Border security! Why don’t the Beltway buttheads understand? All we’re getting is a lot of drivel about hi-tek surveillance when the simple answer is to build a fence. Two layers with a security road in the middle. And before anyone says a fence doesn’t work, it has for Israel. Since they put up a barrier, their suicide bombings have dropped about 90%. (I read that in yesterday’s WAPO; go look for it)I’m tired of all the smoke and mirrors. Show me a secure border! Then we can discuss what to do with the millions of illegals already here.
We will soon have to take matters into our own hands, and it won’t be pretty.
Chia-Duran. Chia-Duran, a native of Mexico, is accused of molesting an 8-month-old girl. When the girl was brought to Southern Regional Medical Center, on Dec. 25, she had 30 bruises on her body, her ribs, vertebrae and skull were fractured, leaving her paralyzed. She had blood in her diaper, her brain was bleeding, and physical evidence suggested she had been molested.Turner said about 100 pages of single-spaced medical records, verified by more than five doctors, is “unrefutable” evidence against Chia-Duran. Chia-Duran faces a possible maximum sentence of 60 years in prison.Turner argued there was no evidence of “harm or prejudice,” because Chia-Duran wasn’t told of his right to seek help from the Mexican consulate, and the detectives had no way of knowing the man wasn’t an American citizen.‚”He didn’t tell police he was a foreign national,” Turner said. “The police dealt with him they way they would with any citizen.”Detective Kelvin Jackson said, after the hearing, that he knew foreign nationals had to be told of that right, but the man had a South Carolina driver’s license and didn’t give him any reason to think of the Treaty of Vienna.Mackie, a privately-retained attorney from Sandy Springs, Ga., said the argument was only a pretense. “The man doesn’t speak any English,” he said. “I think it’s kind of specious to suggest the police didn’t know he was a foreign national.”Judge Simmons ruled against the motion to dismiss the case, and against the motion to suppress Chia-Duran’s statements to police. He did grant Mackie a month continuance, in the case, to allow him time to review medical records and consult a medical expert.The prosecution and defense are in talks about negotiating a plea. Turner said the district attorney’s office has agreed to a 15-year sentence, if Chia-Duran pleads guilty by Friday, June 22.The trial is set to begin next month.http://www.news-daily.com/local/local_story_164230528.html
Partisan politics.
Just like some on this blog like to point fingers on this issue to blame either the Republicans or the Democrats, Congress representing all of us, does nothing but bicker and point fingers – whether the issue of the day is immigration, saving Social Security or anything else. They actually DO nothing!
Build the dang fence, then I’ll beleive Congress is serious about actually doing something.
Until that fence is built, I won’t support ANY new immigration law.
I thought the editors and readers would enjoy what the true Left thinks on this issue. See The Nations take on this – WE OWE THEM rather then fine THEM. WE owe them more than the 5000 fine per compadre.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070625/ehrenreich
They broke into our “house” to clean it – so we owe them….heh.
The liberal mind at work is a wondrous thing to behold.
One has to wonder, WTF?
Oh Noooo, Mr Bill!!!!
Of course WE OWE THEM!
Look what work they’ve done for us and we’ve seriously underpaid them!
The US Government should write a check right now, for $10,000 to pay every illegal Mexican immigrant.
As concerned citizens we have a country at stake and we have to get past the right and left descriptions and work together. I am a conservative who voted twice for Bush. I do not support him on immigration and have made my displeasure known to him and every other republican congressman and senator in our state. I would suggest that democrats do the same.
It was this outcry that woke the senate up in time to not bring the first bill to a vote.
Talk radio takes a beating from those on the left but on this it should be praised. These words by Trent Lott says it all “The Republican whip, Trent Lott of Mississippi, who supports the bill, said: “Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.”
This bill was written by Kennedy/McCain as a bipartisan bill. We have shown them as a country we are bipartisan against any amnesty bill that doesn’t close the border first.
Keep the pressure on.
Am I mistaken or didn’t George W. Bush state that a fence was in the process of being built? Whatever happened to that story.
Oh yeah, I remember now, the fence is to built but no money was budgeted to pay for the fence. You’re doing a heckuva job Georgie.
Fedup just keep up the party rhetoric – and in the meanwhile members of both parties are pushing this ridiculous bill forward.
They are counting on the fact that libs and cons can’t come together in opposition to something neither of us want. As long as we play into that we make them the winners.
Youre right grm… As I noted up thread, this is NOT a rep/dem issue… its not a left/right issue… its an American issue… an issue of right/not right… Time to take down the bird feeders in America…
How to hell is it supposed to be of common sense if the borders are not enforced?
How stupid is the strategy to launch a war against terrorism or against a country at the same time of having your borders un-secured?
Does anybody understand what oath is pledged when an elected official takes office?
Gosh imagine the Repukes bitching about talk radio! The very monster they created has come back to bite them in the ass!
Whats worse, rino republicans trashing talk radio, or that turncoat scumbag Mark Parkinson kissing mexican ass and saying that it “reminds me of what Black Americans had to go through in the sixties”? Where is the outrage liberal and black Kansas? How can you just set there and let an idiot like him compare the noble and rightious civil rights struggle to an illegal invasion of this Country?I’m as conservative as they come, but I’m ready to join forces with the left to defeat this amnesty bill. Our enemy is the so called centrists of both parties who are taking their orders from the central bankers and the CFR types. They want a North American Union and open borders. Bush is wrong on this one and so is Sebelius, Roberts, Kennedy, Lott, Graham and all the other supporters of this globalist trash. The American people have spoken loud and clear on this one and still they won’t listen. The left and the right can fight on any other issue on any other day. But on this we need to unite.
the whole “border enforcement” issue is a smokescreen … it’s false security – only designed to make Americans THINK we’re doing anything about illegal immigration when, in reality, we continue to do absolutely nothing.
Our government is betraying the very people it is supposed to represent and protect. Heck, I’d even go as far as saying that they are traitors.
“The American people have spoken loud and clear on this one and still they won’t listen. The left and the right can fight on any other issue on any other day. But on this we need to unite.”
WELL PUT Chris!!! Well PUT!
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“Our government is betraying the very people it is supposed to represent and protect. Heck, I’d even go as far as saying that they are traitors.”
Yes they ARE MOST DEFINATELY TRAITORS!!!!!
God, I LOVE watching the racist wing of the Republican Party tie itself up in knots insisting that their objections to immigration have less to do with the ‘illegality’ of the immigrant than with the color of the immigrant’s skin.
Others have said it better than I will, but it’s great to see BigBusinessBush turning on all you racist nativists in order to keep his corporate overlords. Right-wing populism was something that Rove thought he could exploit for his own purposes without having to give racists like Tancredo and Hunter a seat at the table. Big mistake.
Watching all you neo-fascists get your racist undergarments in a collective wad has given CF2K a case of schadenfreude (that is, ‘malicious glee at the misfortune of another’) he has no desire to cure or get over anytime soon.
I think the Democrats should let Bush keep proposing plans, and play along with him up until a point. In thirty years, I haven’t seen anything nearly as effective at splitting the Republican Party. If the Democrats are smart, they’ll keep up the appearance of playing ball with Bush, with the effect of driving down his popularity still further. Good stuff.
Oh, and in a typically delusional and projective post, CFMT claims that “the American people have spoken loud and clear” in support of his anti-immigrant stance. Guess what, dude? The meth they make up their in MacPherson must have addled your brain, because the polling doesn’t support your contention.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aPacZNPAToiU&refer=home
Watching blowhards like Tyler Durden and Sergeant Slaugter throw around the “T-word” is a good index of their fury at their own impotence. Fine by me. Keep tearing down the Bush Monster you helped to create–it’s the least you can do after seven years of enabling a President who thinks he can say and do whatever he wants. Serves you right.
cf2k???? Wow, what a hysterical nutcase!
racist? neo-fascist? I think that somebody should split them prozacs in half.
Even worse, he addresses himself in the third person.
ss,
CF2K thinks that a certain self-proclaimed NCO’s denunciation of the Seale case on another thread as a “PC prosecution” smells pretty dang racist.
CF2K thinks all of you racist anti-immigrant folks ought to lay off the meth. Lou Dobbs, for one, looks like apoplexy’s next victim.
Repubican,
How’d you like CF2K’s follow-up on the Gonzales thread? You know, where the WaPo reported that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT is investigating Alberto Gonzales? You know, Republican, after you said that the Democrats ‘got nothin?’
As lickspittle lying shills go, Repubican, you’re really letting yourself go.
It was pc PERSECUTION, just like John Demjanyuk, get it right!
meth? never!racist? not hardly!
cf= chico fuentes???
Oh that CF2K, it’s nothing.
Let’s a vague statement by Gooding before Congress about a recollection of what she thought another person was thinking (Gonzales.) Yeah CF2K, that’s good solid investigation worthy (cough.)
So tell me, CF2K, the new WE Blog Legal expert, of which of the following does this alleged investigation seek to file charges on? :)
Subornation of perjuryWitness tamperingObstruction of justice
They ain’t got nothing.
Repube,
Nice job ignoring the point I made, which is that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT is investigating Gonzales for, in fact, witness tampering–talking to Gooding in advance of the hearings. But leaving that aside, you falsely characterize the contradiction between her testimony regarding the meetings with Gonzales, and Gonzales’ own testimony. The issue was not Goodling’s interpretation of something Gonzales said–it was that he said he hadn’t hadn’t been present at a meeting where the firing of US Attorneys was discussed, whereas she said he had. Not that your dishonest attempt to mischaracterize the contradiction surprises anyone ’round these parts: you’re just lying and spinning, like a good Repube should.
SS,
Yeah, sure is unjust that SS guards and KKK murderers can’t run out the clock on paying for their crimes. What’s the world coming to?
Oh, and SS, you’ll need to try harder with the initials: Joe Williams once referred to CF as ‘clown face,’ which registers far higher on the comic meter than does your feeble attempt. Keep trying!
Damnit. Typekey signed out as CF2K. The above IS a post from CF2K.
Demjanyuk was not evan at SOBIBOR as they claimed, he was innocent.
The “evidence” and “witnesses” in the seale case, some 40+ years after the fact were far less than credible.
I bet you were cheering as the lowlife Nifong tried to railroad those White kids down in North Carolina.
cf= chaka findcrack??????
Oh my God! Gonzales couldn’t recall he was at a particular meeting!
Get the electric chair ready!
The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!
Once again, anyone with a brain will just walk on by……
The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!
And Republican is STILL a lying hypocrite.
Its nice there is at least one certainty in this world!
SS,
Stop lying.
It isn’t demonstrated that Demjanjuk was not at Sobibor. In fact, the extant evidence strongly suggests otherwise: Demjanjuk was most likely at Sobibor as a Wachmann (guard), with a unit mustered out of Trawniki. The fact that he was acquitted by the Israeli panel of judges of being “Ivan the Terrible” doesn’t have any bearing on the question of whether or not he was present at Sobibor.
“Despite doubts the court might have had about whether Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible, and the subsequent acquittal, it was much more certain that Demjanjuk volunteered and served as a Nazi Wachmann in the Trawniki unit. Evidence included to assist this claim included a certificate from Trawniki bearing Demjanjuk’s picture and his exact personal information in addition to German documents that mentioned Wachmann Demjanjuk and mentioned his date and place of birth. Statements of another Wachmann (Denilchenko), both in 1949 and again in 1979, identified Demjanjuk as the Wachmann who served with him at Sobibor. Demjanjuk’s Trawniki certificate also imply that he served at Sobibor, as do the German orders of March 1943 posting the Trawniki unit to this area. The court considered Demjanjuk’s insistence that the certificates – including those bearing his photograph – were forgeries; in light of the expert testimony and other corroborating evidence, it concluded that the likelihood of this was “reduced to zero.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demjanjuk
If you’re going to try to get away with lies ’round these parts, SS, well, good luck. You’re going to have to do a better job of it, though.
Repubican,
The words “under oath” evidently don’t exist in your moral universe–at least when it’s Republicans who are under oath. And, as usual, only the GOP dead-enders such as yourself will refuse to draw the obvious conclusion that if all available evidence contradicts the Attorney General, then he’s probably lying.
Advocating for the version of events propounded by liars makes you a liar too, Repubican. Your family and offspring must be SO proud.
Damn thing keeps signing me out. Grrr…
CF2K,
Repuke isn’t worth wasting time on. He posts obvious lies about levees, lasers, human-caused global warming, and so on.
1) Copy and save the shortcuts to his “got nothing” posts.2) Then just walk on by… and wait.
I wood love thank avery good American for what you give to mi familie. We live health free because we now have good health care here. Free baby delivery at hospital to. Older kids get discount education at university in America. Special thanks for food card too. Thank-you and Viva Mexico!ThanksJuan
One hundred forty eight Republicans voted against the bill funding Homeland Security operations. Speaker Pelosi explained:
“The bill funds the hiring of 3,000 new border patrol agents, rejects the cuts President Bush sought in the training and equipping of first responders, and improves aviation and port security. It also includes strong accountability measures to make certain that taxpayer dollars are being well-spent, including requiring that contracts be competitively bid.”
George WMD Bush plans to veto the bill, which also requires DHS and its contractors to pay the locally prevailing wages.
Apparently paying the people who keep us safe is not a priority.
You all think that Illegal immigration does not hurt legal citizens and college students?
Well HERE is a great job that the good Phd. is wanting an “aline” employee under a H1-B VISA.
Seems like they want another racist in the woodpile:
http://www.hreo.ku.edu/files/documents/G...
We cannot find in Kansas with 3 very good Geology Departments a suitable Geologist?????
This from this man:
Dr. Luis A. Gonzalez, Department of Geology1475 Jayhawk Blvd, 120 Lindley Hall, University of KansasLawrence, Kansas 66045-7613, Phone: 785-864-2743, Fax: 785-864-5276Email: lgonzlez@ku.edu
“Luis A. Gonzalez” does not want and cannot find a Kansan or US Citizen Geologist to fill this position? I bet he hires a hispanic/latino, or maybe a girlfriend so they can get her “legal”.are you starting to see how insidious this illegal immigration is?????
More from
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070617/ts_alt_afp/usvote2008minorityhispanics_070617081411
“Hispanics have surpassed African-Americans as the largest minority group in recent years, making up 14.8 percent of the 300 million people living in America.
Two-thirds of Hispanic residents live in nine states that will hold primary votes on February 5 or earlier, including California, Nevada, Florida and New York.
The primaries will be “historic” because of the Latino vote, which has become more important than it has ever been, said Adam Segal, director of the Hispanic Voter Project at Johns Hopkins University.
Hispanic groups and the widely watched, Spanish-language television channel Univision are urging Latinos to apply for US citizenship and then to register to vote.”
So we are going to have 14.8% of the United States Population with illegal aliens included making decisions for the remaining 250 million.
Hope the African American Caucus and associations are getting wind of this. They will be extinct in power after this goes through. That will diminish our country so many ways!
Tyler!
You have come up with a solution to the illegal alien problem! :D
Just post INS agents at every Voting station and there will be hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens caught trying to vote! :D :D :D
Of course, a large portion of the Democrite’s constituency will disappear as well. :)
cf,
If you are in favor of politically motivated show trials then have the balls to come out and say as much. Don’t be a coward and hide behind accusations of “racism”!
SS,
If you are a defender of southern racists and Nazi war criminals, then have the balls to come out and say as much. Don’t be a coward and hide behind accusations of “justice!”