Pro-life activists are claiming that Attorney General Paul Morrison isn’t seriously investigating Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller because Morrison supports abortion rights. But might former Attorney General Phill Kline’s dogged pursuit of Tiller have been motivated more by his fervent pro-life views than by a fair application of the law? Speaking at the National Right to Life convention in Kansas City, Mo., Thursday, Kline said that "the soil of Kansas is stained red," that "abortion is sin, and sin always begins with a lie," and that America needed to rise "above the din of a decadent culture" to defeat abortion.
The overwhelming majority of Kansas voters chose Morrison because they trusted his professional judgment more than they did Kline’s.
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The overwhelming majority of Kansas voters chose Morrison because they trusted his professional judgment more than they did Kline’s.Posted by Phillip Brownlee
Nuff said
Well lets see here…
The media and left went after Phil Kline for his getting those medical records.
Could it be that the very reason for which the public voted for Morrison is going to turn out to have actually supported Kline in the end?
The trust you speak of could very well have been based on little more than the lynch job the media and left did on Kline for digging into those records which appear now to have been quite justified.
Kline is a partisan hack that used the power of his office to engage in a personal vendetta against abortion. His actions damaged the credibility of a justice system that should be based on a fair, unbiased application of the law. He is a clear example of what happens when you let religious wackos take control of politics. The fundies think they are on a mission from god and that using the power of the state to prosecute sinners is their divine right.
“Could it be that the very reason for which the public voted for Morrison is going to turn out to have actually supported Kline in the end?”
Eh, come again? The reason being that Kline could not be trusted to be holding public position without letting personal conviction got in the way?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poisonwood_Bible
“Could it be that the very reason for which the public voted for Morrison is going to turn out to have actually supported Kline in the end?
The trust you speak of could very well have been based on little more than the lynch job the media and left did on Kline for digging into those records which appear now to have been quite justified.”
OK you lost me with this one. What are you trying to say?
Nathan,The problem with Kline and the medical records was his shotgun approach. Dig deep enough, without known justification, and you will more times than not find something.
In this country, a man is innocent until proven quilty. Kline went after Tiller because, in his mind, Tiller was guilty. It didn’t matter of what, but Kline was bound and determined to find something, come hell or high water. That is what’s known as wrong by any standards. Unless, of course, you live in a communist country.
I lived in the KC area for 11 years. Paul Morrison was the Johnson County DA during that time. He did a great job. He is a man of integrity and compassion. He is also a man who abides by the law.
I feel confident that if Dr. Tiller broke the law, he will be prosecuted. If he didn’t there won’t be any charges.
Surprise! The Ayatollah Kline abused the power of the Attorney General to go on a religious crusade. He backed himself up with criminal crony and Regent University grad Bryan Brown, Vatican employee and staunch anti-abortionist Dr. McHugh, and cult leader and attorney Don McKinney. How can any sane person still support Kline? Certainly not his party because Republicans are switching to the Democratic party to run against him.
“Pro-life activists are claiming that Attorney General Paul Morrison isn’t seriously investigating Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller because Morrison supports abortion rights.”
I just do not understand how people like this do not see their own hypocrisy. I am torn whether it is due to their intelligence level, if they are blinded by their unquestioning convictions, or some combination of both.
Intelligence level? Hmmm, I didn’t realize there was an IQ test for holding one’s convictions?
Perhaps the next time you write an opinion on your convictions brian, let’s say about pulling all troops out of Iraq…
…all anyone has to do is question your intelligence level, because you don’t see your own hypocrisy.
:D
So what exactly is the problem with the fact that Kline is standing up to a vicious media storm condemning him, and showing that he has morals, while the current AG is hiding behind his desk, pushing off an investigation that obviously needs to take place. Since abortion seems to be the number one issue of our day, because it slithers itself into almost every political discussion, why should it not be at the center of both AG’s personal views at issue here.
Old habits are hard to break arent’t they Phil?
The wichita eagle and the other rabid leftist media outlets conducted an unprecedented, biased and merciless persecution of Kline in the days and weeks leading up to the election. That’s the reason Kline lost and this blog shows they’re still afraid of him.
In contrast, Morrison was treated with kid gloves. His immense ego: PASS. His sexual harrassment suits: PASS. His intimidation of witnesses and adversaries: PASS. His ties to Tiller and his money: PASS. (BTW, in the Kline-Biggs race, Tiller pumped more money to Biggs than other contributors combined: think we’ll ever hear condemnation for the purchase price of Morrison?) Morrison can’t account for his win. He owes it to Tiller’s money and a press more than willing to do his dirty work.
The eagle lost subscriptions after their conduct in the last election. Too bad those dinosaurs don’t see their ice age coming.
A prosecutor swayed by personal opinion or blind ambition?? Horrors !! It couldn’t be !!
I’ll have to ask those Duke LaCrosse boys about this.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail.
Phill — the second “L” is for “loser” — Kline had four years with all the power of the State of Kansas to assault the legality of a woman’s right to make personal medical decisions regarding her body. Too bad he tried to do it in America.
Funny thing about the judicial system in the United States of America; even if you speak for “God” you don’t get dibs on the outcome.
Your perception of “God” can motivate you to achieve any goals you think are best for society. The only problem you’ve got is your interpretation of “God’s Will” simply isn’t an issue when it comes to the laws that govern this republic.
If the Royals are down 3 to nothing in the bottom of the 9th, they can’t send in a field goal kicker to tie the game. Them’s the rules. Makes no difference if the kicker is twice-born or a Muslim, it’s just not applicable to the situation at hand.
The only-est argument Abortion Rights Abolitionists have is based in their theology. I have not problem with what they believe; accept it, live it, teach your children to adhere to it… knock yourselves out.
But in the United States of America, your theology has no place in the crafting of civil or criminal law.
It’s as relevant as a place-kicker at home plate.
MonkeyHawk-
Many people base their morality on their theology. Are you stating that morality had not place in law, or only that which is based on theology?
So long as the “morality” that one has (theology-based or not) is acceptable to other groups in society (whose morality may be theology-based…or not).
If Muslims, Christians, atheists, and the majority of other Americans believe that drinking children’s blood in some obscure group’s “religious” ceremony is wrong, then freedom of religion doesn’t trump.
If, on the other hand, there is significant disagreement in society as to the morality of a given act, then that act should be legal until a broad cross-section of American society finds it otherwise….IMO
So, if a majority holds something immoral, it may be made illegal? Please define “significant” disagreement.
BFAH-
Please do not misunderstand my intent. I am not out for a “gotcha” moment. I have heard countless times,”you can;t impose your morality on me” or “you can;t impose your theology on me” or whatever flavor of the day. My question is intended to start a broad discussion (not about specific issues) on how we as a society should decide what is legal, and what is not. It is my contention that all laws are based on someones morality. The question is “WHose?” and “How do we decide”
Yes, that’s how it works, isn’t it? A society’s morality defines its laws.
I’m sorry if I can’t define significant precisely for you. It’s not clear to me that it can be defined to anyone’s satisfaction. It’s kind of like what has been said about pornography, “I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.”
So, the best I would be able to say is that some type of supermajority of the population finds “for” or “against”…a simple majority probably would not be sufficient to guarantee acceptance and acquiescence.
littlejohn,
Don’t worry about me…if the conversation is civil and interesting, you can say whatever you’d like to me.
…of course, the opinion and resultant law would have to pass Constitutional muster…and for myself…it would also have to pass legitimacy muster…after all, a majority of germans elected Hitler, and none too many objected to the policies he implemented. Here, the majority’s morality and laws would offend my ethics, and so I would personally oppose them, regardless of the consequences to me (I say now…in the real situation, I’d probably have feet of clay).
Thanks.Still, I wanted to clarify my intent, because as I reread my post, I could see how some could see it to be a trap on some particular subject, which was not my intent at all.I think that we could stop much of the personal animosity about genuine and legitimate differences of opinion if we could actually decide how we decide he laws, or the mores or society.
I guess “significant” would also have to include the concept that the opinion somehow cuts across many cultural, religious, and social swaths.
Sufficiently vague for you ? :-)
Good. I think the majority opinion being codified should first pass through a Constituional filter. I am concerned somewhat, about your comment about the ‘penumbras” of the COnstitution you mentioned in a different thread. My concern is not with specific penenumbras, and I understand your rationale, and agree. However, SCOTUS applying penumbas basically leaves it to the opinon of 5 people, versus the entire country, super majority or not?
I guess “significant” would also have to include the concept that the opinion somehow cuts across many cultural, religious, and social swaths.
Sufficiently vague for you ? :-)
Posted by: BFAH | June 15, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Yes, and it is hard to find. However, you can get so caught up in the minority view, taht nothing gets approved. of course, that may not be all bad. :)
find = define. Gawd, i guess i better use preview more often :(
So, this being a republic form of government the steps should be
A sufficient number (simple majority) of citizens inform their representative that they want a change in the law.
The representative should seek counsel with those opposed to the change, and listen to their views
The representative should study the issue and find the appropriate response, and responde to all those represented by him
The rep should then take it to his body for consideration, and formulate law in approprite. The other reps following the same procedure, until a majority opinion can be formed. The law is passed or rejected.Yes?
Littlejohn,
I hear ya about penumbras….but isn’t any case brought before the Supreme Court a matter of the opinion of 5 out of 9? Kind of sobering that so much power is invested in those 9.
I’ve heard it suggested that the Court should either have to decide unanimously or by a “supermajority” itself…not sure how I feel on this, but I can see the point.
littlejohn…
just a change to “supermajority” rather than majority would work for me…50.01/49.99 isn’t going to settle an issue even though a “majority” exists.
You are right, any case decide by SCOTUS is a matter of opinon by 5 out of the 9 Justices. The unanimous or supermajority decision could be a resolution, but it could cause problems of it;s own… Of course, trial juries must generally be decided unanimously, so maybe that is not a bad idea.
just a change to “supermajority” rather than majority would work for me…50.01/49.99 isn’t going to settle an issue even though a “majority” exists.
Posted by: BFAH | June 15, 2007 at 03:42 PM
I could live agree with athat about the small majorities. That seems to cause nothing but bitterness. A Supermajority it is.
The Supreme court could be limited to pretty straight interpretations of the COnstitution with a majority or supermajority, with penumbras only allowed by unanimous decision
Littlejohn…
Gotta go. Nice chatting with you. have a good weekend :-)
Planned Parenthood makes $55 million killing babies…what is obscene now…is it profit…?
Would this fit in under the “obscene profit” that is bandied about on oil companies
============================Despite a drop in donations and the first fall in income from clinics in its history, the nation’s biggest abortion provider made a high profit last year, thanks to the American taxpayer.During its 2005-2006 fiscal year, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America performed a record 264,943 abortions, attained a high profit of $55.8 million and received record taxpayer funding of $305.3 million.According to its annual report, income is divided roughly into three major categories: clinic income (fees charged to customers at clinics); donations (gifts from corporations, foundations and individuals); and taxpayer money (grants and contracts from federal, state and local government).For the year July 1, 2005, through June 30, 2006, Planned Parenthood received$345.1 million in clinic income, $305.3 million in taxpayer funding and $212.2 million in donations. Total income reached $902.8 million while total expenses came to $847.0 million, leaving a profit of $55.8million.Numerous calls to Planned Parenthood offices in both New York City and Washington, D.C., seeking comment for this article, were not returned, but a statement on the organization’s website says that the report “illustrates the achievements of an organization founded to prevent unintended pregnancy and protect women’s health and safety.”
BFAH_
Me too. Be safe and enjoy
“Perhaps the next time you write an opinion on your convictions brian, let’s say about pulling all troops out of Iraq…
…all anyone has to do is question your intelligence level, because you don’t see your own hypocrisy.”
Republican, how would me writing an opinion about pulling all troops out of Iraq (an opinion I do not have BTW) be hypocritical?
The Attorney General’s job is to enforce the law and prosecute crime. AG Morrison’s sham investigation of George Tiller’s post-viable abortion crimes is doing neither. At least AG Kline tried, though he was beaten up unfairly by the pro-abortion media. We will have justice for abortion mill crimes, whether or not Morrison, Sebelius, DA Foulston, and Judge Clark have been bought off by Tiller. We will have justice.
How does anyone know that an investigation did not take place, no crime was found, and the issue dropped by the AG’s office?
Just because you want them to find a crime does not mean there was one there.
That’s the point brian, this is an opinion blog. People are allowed to post their opinion (with references if they wish.)
People that make comments strictly for the purposes of divisiveness (Liberal Democrats) add nothing to the written conversation but rancor.
Your comment about intelligence among people with a chosen faith or ideology is included in that.
After 50 years of research, there is as much evidence of the cover-up of the abortion-breast cancer link as there is of the risk of breast cancer posed by abortion. The first study showing the abortion-breast cancer link was published in Japan in 1957 and it showed that women who have abortions have two-three times greater a chance of contracting breast cancer than those who decide to keep their baby. In particular, 30,000-50,000 teenagers every year with a family history of breast cancer commit an abortion and all of them are likely contracting breast cancer in later years as a result of the very high risk abortion poses to first pregnancies in young girls.Yet, the abortion industry continues to deny any breast cancer risk, and opposes any informed consent requirements regarding any long-term risks posed by abortion.That would interfere with profits.
Oh and in case those who don’t read latin like I quoted the other day. I wrote to AG Morrison:
“Let the other side be heard.”
Republican,I don’t think you answered my question.
“That’s the point brian, this is an opinion blog. People are allowed to post their opinion (with references if they wish.)” does not address “Republican, how would me writing an opinion about pulling all troops out of Iraq (an opinion I do not have BTW) be hypocritical?”
Additionally, my comment, which you will see if you reread it, uses the word ‘or’ not ‘and’. That would mean I am questioning whether people do not see their hypocrisy because the are not intelligent OR because they are blinded by their convictions OR some combination of both.
Nowhere did I state or imply anything “about intelligence among people with a chosen faith or ideology”
Republican, I certainly would include you in the hypocrite classification.
“People that make comments strictly for the purposes of divisiveness (Liberal Democrats) add nothing to the written conversation but rancor.”
How can your statement be anything but divisive? You are certainly stereotyping a group and expressing your ill thoughts of them without adding anything our the conversation about Attorneys General.
Of course any comment by Phillip Brownlee in regard to Mr. Kline is biased, as evidenced by his paper’s vendetta against Mr. Kline.
But let’s see how Mr. Morrison does in enforcing Kansas’s laws, including in regard to late term abortion. So far, I’m not favorably impressed in his delays. We have yet to see if he enforces the law fairly.But strongly believing in something is not evidence that actions compatible with that belief are not fair.
And that works both ways, Phillip, you dork.
Not really brian – People like CapnAmerica, WSClark, KFG, Steven Davis and others are well known for their rancor and they are rather proud that they are divisive. They could care less if they look like flaming a-holes. :)
Answers like that is why we “walk on by” Brian…..
Repuke,
“People are allowed to post their opinion (with references if they wish.)”
When facts prove that Repuke’s “opinion” is incorrect, he posts lies as a “reference”.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
cosmos is gonna lose his most favorite environmental poster with Dr. Huie, if he keeps on with his sad display. :)
This Dr. Huie?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25.html#comment-70812702
Please refrain from using my name in rationalizing your spittle spewing hatred.
brian,This clown is real good at accusing others of what he himself has practiced to a high art form.
But it is best to ignore him and walk on by. Beam us up Scotty, no intelligent life anywhere near RepubliSpittleSpewer’s posts.
I think Kline got as far as he did because of the whole “CHILD RAPE!!!” thing. That was his original justification, right? Funny how that seems like ancient history now. Haven’t heard a peep lately about all the children being raped and Dr. Tiller not reporting it.
Also thank goodness for Planned Parenthood, birth control pills are like $40 a month otherwise! I’d rather spend that money on FOOD.
And a snippet from the NE Journal of Medicine to correct a little misinformation found above:
“Background: It has been hypothesized that an interrupted pregnancy might increase a woman’s risk of breast cancer because breast cells could proliferate without the later protective effect of differentiation.
Methods: We established a population-based cohort with information on parity and vital status consisting of all Danish women born from April 1, 1935, through March 31, 1978. Through linkage with the National Registry of Induced Abortions, information on the number and dates of induced abortions among those women was combined with information on the gestational age of each aborted fetus. All new cases of breast cancer were identified through linkage with the Danish Cancer Registry.
Results: In the cohort of 1.5 million women (28.5 million person-years), we identified 370,715 induced abortions among 280,965 women (2.7 million person-years) and 10,246 women with breast cancer. After adjustment for known risk factors, induced abortion was not associated with an increased risk of breast cancer (relative risk, 1.00; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.94 to 1.06). No increases in risk were found in subgroups defined according to age at abortion, parity, time since abortion, or age at diagnosis of breast cancer. The relative risk of breast cancer increased with increasing gestational age of the fetus at the time of the most recent induced abortion: 12 weeks, 1.38 (1.00 to 1.90) (reference category, 9 to 10 weeks).
Conclusions: Induced abortions have no overall effect on the risk of breast cancer.”
Abortion is a sin. No, it’s not, yes it is. No it’s not.
Repeat a million times and there is the abortion debate.
Let’s all go watch a ‘live’ abortion, then after viewing the evidence, we can reach an informed decision.
Geez, I might watch a heart bypass operation, and reach a conclusion it is way too bloody for my liking… LOL
I think the big difference there is that after a heart bypass operation, everyone involved walks out with their life intact. As opposed to abortion…And don’t try the old argument that it isn’t human- all anyone needs to do is see the newer generation sonograms, etc. As least have the balls to say “it just isn’t convenient” instead of “it isn’t a baby”… it’s fairly easy to see if you look with an unbiased eye.
I wonder how many other doctors are going to have the wording of their documentation gone over by the attorney general and prosecuted for piddly stuff?
OH wait, we only do that to ABORTION doctors…my bad.
Abortion for convenience isn’t the issue, nor is whether the baby is human. The issue is the life of the LIVING woman, her medical privacy, her decisions, her issues that caused her to seek an abortion in the first place.
Go to my blog for the skinny on many mindblowing topics, including the state of ethics in the media in Kansas and Kline/Morrison.bjbrownsblog.blogspot.com
No, you suck.
There isn’t a privacy issue in those records. If you take out the information that could identify them, then really– what are the odds that someone is going to figure out that Patient A is really their next door neighbor (as opposed to one of a thousand other women who have come into the state from God knows where to get an abortion)? There is no reason a 10 year old should be pregnant- case closed. SOMEONE committed a crime. Our state has judged that unless it is to save the mother’s life, it isn’t allowed. Why the hell wouldn’t we have SOMEONE double checking?? Doesn’t anyone else think it is odd that we are supposed to just *trust* the abortionists judgement on whether or not her life would be in danger? There was a doctor in Haysville recently that was suspected of giving out prescriptions pretty freely- he had medical files looked into. You can’t claim it is only abortionists being picked on. Doctors have to be accountable to our laws. SOMEONE has to keep track of them to make sure they aren’t doing anything illegal. All morals aside…
Are you off your rocker or just really badly misinformed?
Tiller didn’t impregnate 10 year olds, they already were pregnant. And he reported them just as they were supposed to be reported, or did you miss that part? DO you really think 10 year olds should be forced to carry babies? Can you imagine the social implications of that? Just hang a big red banner across them as they go to fourth grade saying “i’ve had sex or I’ve been raped”. Not to mention the health of a pregnant 10 year old.
“Our state has judged that unless it is to save the mother’s life, it isn’t allowed.”… uh no. Where do you get your information? Not only that, but SCOTUS has ruled that a mother’s right to choose is fundamental, and for late term abortions maternal HEALTH (including mental), rape, and health of the fetus are factors to consider. Federal law trumps Kansas law.
I don’t want people thumbing through my medical records UNLESS THERE WAS A PROBLEM, nobody has brought up a case against Dr. Tiller except the anti-abortion fundies. That should be very telling in of itself. Tiller has to follow the same laws that every other doctor has to follow, he doesn’t get special treatment, nor should he be harrassed without merit. And that’s all that has happened to him.
This is what he gets for helping women who are desperate, who have been raped, who have health problems, who all have a story as to why they are there. You people refuse to look past the fact that it’s a baby. You couldn’t give two craps about the woman who has to carry it.
Philip:
Really not surprised you would take a select quote from a speech that lasted an hour and push it for a proposition that is not relevant to the speech.
If you desire to understand this issue and who would use power for personal gain or interpret law shaded by personal belief – look at the facts.
Kansas law does not allow an abortion post-viability unless either (a) the mother’s life is in jeopardy (never happened in Kansas) or (b) two doctors find there will be “substantial and irreversible damage to a major bodily function of the mother.”
In 2000 pro-choice Attorney General Carla Stovall issued an opinion in which she stated that “bodily injury” includes mental injury as long as the mental injury is “permanent and substantial.”
Although medical records are subpoenaed all of the time and I never sought the identity of the adult women – you and the Eagle made Judge Anderson’s subpoena of medical records with names redacted sound as if I personally invaded privacy of the medical records of all of Kansans.
Mr. Tiller and Planned Parenthood funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to various “charities” to push this image and Mr. Morrison called the investigation a “witch hunt” and a waste of resources during his campaign for office. In fact, this was one of the primary themes of his campaign.
This despite the fact that Judge Richard Anderson found probable cause to believe that evidence of crimes was in the files.
In October my office received the redacted records and in December Mr. Tiller was charged with performing illegal late-term abortions based on a diagnosis of either a) severe depression, single episode; b) anxiety disorder; or c) adjustment disorder. All conditions that are temporary in nature. The December charges were only filed after Sedgwick County District Court Judge Eric Yost reviewed the evidence and found probable cause to believe that Mr. Tiller committed the crimes alleged. (Mr. Tiller is presumed innocent under Kansas law and the allegations are mere allegations.)
Accordingly, the charges are consistent with Attorney General Stovall’s interpretation of the law.
Just before the election the clinics filed a motion with the Kansas Supreme Court to have the records removed from my possession and Judge Anderson replied stating publicly that the records contain evidence of crimes and that I stood on solid legal ground. The Kansas Supreme Court rejects the clinics motion.
Judge Clark dismissed the December case on jurisdictional grounds without ever reviewing the evidence or contacting the Attorney General’s office.
Judge Clark ruled that the Attorney General cannot file criminal charges without the approval of the local district or county attorney – this despite the express statement in the statute about the AG’s authority to do just that and the fact that I, as Attorney General, actually filed criminal charges against county attorneys for their actions – all without their permission.In supporting Judge Clark’s decision, DA Nola Foulston first infers that I never met with her regarding the charges. Subsequently, when it becomes known that I met with the DA for an hour prior to the charges being filed, the DA refuses to discuss the issue further. The Eagle does not express any concern regarding her evolving position relating to the facts.
I noticed an appeal of Judge Clark’s decision and appoint Don McKinney as Special Prosecutor to handle the appeal.
On day one in office, Mr. Morrison fires Mr. McKinney but states he will not interfere with the appeal because Judge Clark’s decision erodes the power of the Office of Attorney General. A few weeks later, contrary to his word, Mr. Morrison dismisses the appeal allowing Judge Clark’s decision to stand and thereby effectively ending the case against Tiller.
Mr. Morrison continues to claim he is actively investigating a case he helped dismiss against one of his primary campaign supporters even after the one expert witness retained by the state indicates that Mr. Morrison has not ever contacted him to seek his opinion.
And so, I give a speech in Kansas City that indicates that abortion is a “sin” and you again try to turn my efforts into a personal crusade, somehow inferring that the law did not support the investigation or the facts do not support the allegations filed.
First, there are many sins that are not against the law. Second, “sin” means missing the mark – as in a life that is off course. If you believe that “abortion should be rare,” – even if you add safe and legal – you would still agree it is off the mark, one life is ended and another scarred.In my speech I was speaking the need for forgiveness and grace as it relates to sin. Not that “sin” should be prosecuted even if the law does not address the issue.Accordingly, this statement is in no way relevant to my actions as Attorney General in enforcing Kansas law. Yet, it is relevant to how we culturally address the issue of abortion. I was speaking of the need to support outreach and healing through grace to post-abortive women and men who have allowed or encouraged abortion. Your callous and ill-informed interpretation of my remarks simply demonstrates your continued unwillingness to understand the substance and nuances of this issue.The law is clear. The facts are clearly discernable. The Eagle’s refusal to consider the facts is evidence of your ideologically driven coverage of this issue, not my ideology.
I have never called for public officials to do more than what their oath of office calls them to do. I also believe, however, that public official’s should fulfill their oath. The Attorney General’s oath is to enforce the law. That is what I did. I never called for an investigation or justified an action based on theological grounds – such would not stand in a court of law. All actions were justified on legal grounds and were actions taken consistent with my oath of office.
The law is clear. It is reasonable. Viable human life cannot be ended except in limited circumstances. At no time as Attorney General have I attempted to extend my personal beliefs beyond the limits of the law, for example, to pre-viability.I have often spoken to you about our increasing inability to engage in substantive discussion because of all of the side issues created to distract from the truth. Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that your newspaper and editorial page are simply one of those distractions – there is little integrity in your review of information or evidence.
Your masquerade as an objective fact-driven analyst has ended and your blind adherence to ideology is showing. You and the Eagle have become apologists for abortion on demand without restriction even if such is contrary to the law and erodes the rule of law.
Sincerely,
Phill Kline
Kline, it may come as a news flash to you but women have brains and they are major bodily function. BTW, thanks for helping convince many Republicans to switch to the Democratic party.
Phill thank you for taking the time to explain the steps that were taken to ensure that the laws were not broken. Those who defend Tiller and abortion will ride you unmercifully about things in your letter and their mistaken impression that privacy laws were broken. Maybe though enough heat will be generated so that Morrison will have to take action on something he has refused to touch.
In a country of laws we should be very concerned about what happened in this case.
Tom while I appreciate the fact that you recognize this about women – I’m not sure what part of this letter led you to believe that Kline didn’t think as you do.
As a woman who has seen the victims of abortion years down the road, we need more that catch phrases to assure that the law concerning who should have late term abortions is followed. If this means that the records of Tiller are looked at so be it – after all he is the biggest provider of late term abortions in the US.
I think the DSM conditions that Phill lists are not necessarily temporary, however he would be correct if he had said that they are not necessarily permanently disabling.
In spite of his agenda, he may be on to something.
Again, it has never been demonstrated in any way that Tiller provided funds for Morrison’s campaign. That unsupported contention just seems to persist. Republicans wanting to believe this is true does NOT make it true.
OH for GODS SAKES I am sick of this debate. Put it to rest
it is my choice and NO ONE elses
give it the @#%k up
If they’re dead from suicide or from giving birth, does that count as permanent and substantial?
Who are you or anyone to look into the futures of these women, how they react to the stresses they’re under?
I take great exception to being said that these conditions are not necessarily permanent. For example, anxiety disorder can be permanent. And if you don’t think a single episode depression can send someone into suicide, I should know for sure that it can- as I found my own sister comatose after overdosing on a cocktail of medications after she lost her job, and spent 2 weeks in ICU- 3 days on a vent, and the rest of the time babbling incoherently. We didn’t know if she’d ever recover.
And what a bunch of hooey about the sin talk! Give it up.
Keep in mind Morrison and Kline are both from Johnson County. Keep in mind that Morrison trounced Kline in the AG race, and that the vote in Johnson County was 65% to 35%. One of the most solidly Republican counties in the state of Kansas voted for the Democratic candidate. The county that knows these two men best, voted for the man best for the job.
politicalmom,There are no post-viable abortions reported to save a mother’s life. Kansas law allows only one other option for contracting the killing of viable babies, the substantial and irreversible harm to a mother’s major bodily function that would be caused by continuing the pregnancy a few more weeks to live birth. There are no mental health conditions that can pose such a threat. In fact, abortion often CAUSES mental health problems, such as severe, long-term depression, substance abuse, even suicide. Some mothers keep thinking they hear a baby crying in a closet, after they commit abortion.So we see that Kansas late-term abortion restrictions are for the protection of mothers as well as viable babies.Charge Tiller with his abortion crimes.
Mr. Kline: Thank you for taking the time to present the facts, since we cannot depend upon the Eagle in that regard, at least as it pertains to you and the abortion issue.
I would love to see an on-line debate between Brownlee and you. Can Mr. Brownlee defend his past comments and editorials in an on line debate?
How about it Phillip Brownlee? You’ve been called out by Phill Kline.
Parkay,
Since when is the proper, healthy functioning of a human brain not a “major bodily function?”
Do you have anything to back up your claims about harm to women who terminate pregnancies?
Outlander,
90% of “Kline’s” post is an editorial. There are so few “facts” presented, I had to read back through it twice just to find the few hidden among the polemics.
Third Minnesota sextuplet diesInfants were born 4 1/2 months prematureThe Associated PressUpdated: 11:04 p.m. CT June 16, 2007
MINNEAPOLIS – Half of the sextuplets born prematurely to a Minnesota couple have now died, while the others remained in critical condition, hospital officials said Saturday.
A third boy, Lincoln Sean Morrison, died Friday. Two of his brothers, Tryg and Bennet, died earlier in the week.
The four boys and two girls were born last Sunday about 4¬? months early a Minneapolis hospital. Doctors had advised the couple to selectively reduce the number of viable fetuses to two, but they declined.
Parents Ryan and Brianna Morrison released a statement saying it’s been “a difficult week” for them, and thanked everyone for their prayers and support.
“We continue to trust in the Lord and are hopeful for a good outcome for Cadence, Lucia and Sylas,” the statement said.
Hospital officials said no further information would be released.
Parkay- Depends on when you consider post viable. Viable meaning early enough that they suffer severe problems after birth? To me keeping them alive with a bunch of tubes isn’t viable. You keep saying a few more weeks, but there isn’t one single abortion done less than a month to go till due date. It’s actually a few more MONTHS…so stop saying weeks as if she’s about to pop.
And how do you know there were not any to save the mother’s life? They only had SOME of Tiller’s files, lest you forget.
You are so full of it to think there aren’t mental disorders that cause damage…and why do you keep referring to Kansas law, when you know full well that Federal law trumps Kansas law- mental health HAS to be considered.
There you go again with the making decisions for the women because of what YOU think is protecting her. Bull. You have no idea what women go through when pregnant. You’re not saving her from herself. There is guilt with every decision, not a one of them is a good option. Even in women who have given up babies for adoption, this is also a possibility, correct? Are you going to say that it’s dangerous to them to give babies up for adoption too?
Often people are so set in their ways that they refuse to review new information. At other times, people are willing to learn anew. This post is made in the hopes of the latter.
It was written in this stream that there is no evidence that Dr. Tiller helped the Morrison campaign financially. This is false.
Significant financial help was provided through various “charities” and PAC’s. This is done so contributions are not limited and it cannot be easily traced or required to be reported prior to the election.
Although the Eagle has repeatedly criticized conservative funds from flowing in such a fashion it has practically ignored the abortion industry money flowing in this fashion. This despite the fact that these monies greatly exceed anything done by groups such as Club for Growth and American’s for Prosperity – two conservative economic groups. The following is just one example – there are many more. The abortion industry used numerous charities and PAC’s over the last two election cycles.
The following is a fundraising letter sent by ProKanDo PAC – Tiller’s PAC. It was one of many.
Hopefully this eliminates the claim that Tiller did not play in this last election cycle. Abortion industry independent expenditures far exceeded that of any other interest group.
To: XXXXXXXX
From: Julie Burkhart, Executive Director
Date: 16 October 2006
Re: 22 Days and Counting
As of the writing of this letter, there are 22 days until Election Day. This is a critical point and we are putting our election plans into action next week. We will be communicating with hundreds of thousands of voters across the state of Kansas. I am writing to you with one last request before Election Day to help us re-elect Governor Sebelius and defeat Attorney General Phill Kline.
Nationally, eyes are on Kansas due to the current right wing stronghold and the precedent that Kline is attempting to set through the courts. Due to the political climate at the national level, and with the confirmation of two new Supreme Court justices, it is absolutely essential that we elect pro-woman candidates who will uphold reproductive liberties in this state. Women from across the country and around the world come to Kansas when faced with fetal abnormalities or maternal health risks during pregnancy.
Phill Kline knows that Kansas is key to women’s reproductive health. Instead of doing his job, he has routinely wasted taxpayer dollars by hiring outside lawyers and consultants to perform the duties he should have done himself. He has spent more money than previous Attorneys General simply because he has his priorities in the wrong place. Recently, he paid one “expert” witness over $100,000.00 to testify in one of his witch-hunt court cases.
November 7th gives us the opportunity to say enough is enough; we will not allow Phill Kline to continue wasting tax-payer money while he spends time pilfering through women’s medical records.
We have spent the last two months polling and micro-targeting voters. We have a strategic plan in place and are ready to go. We simply need your help to make it happen. We cannot afford four more years of Phill Kline in Office. He has garnered negative press across the nation, but still continues to ignore our constitutional right to privacy.
We can be successful in securing the top two seats in Kansas. I know people everywhere are fed up and embarrassed by Phill Kline. I also know that we have $100,000 left to raise over the next four weeks ‚Äì and we can’t do it alone. Your contribution of $250 will go directly and immediately towards our work over the next few weeks. I encourage you to contribute online, at http://www.prokando. org. We have one shot at this ‚Äì and I know that with your help, we can win!
Once again, thank you for your support of choice and ProKanDo. This election is about women’s rights and beyond ‚Äì we must fight hard to protect the basic rights that are at the core of our democracy.
P.S. Don’t forget to get out and vote November 7th!
[efg's postscript:
Notable entries in reports to the Kansas Gov't Ethics Commission during the time period mentioned in the letter:
Oct 30, 2006 ProKanDo PAC report
$189,366 raised, $304,108 spend, $13,969 cash on hand
Expenditures:
July 27, 2006: $652 to Busboys Poets, Washington, DC (see http://web.saljourn al.com/blogs/ ?p=1064 )
Related to this Busboys DC event?July 28, 2006: $22,500 to Strategic Services, Springfield, VA (DC suburb) for "polling"Aug 28, 2006: $36,000 to MSHC Partners, Washington, DC for "polling"
Aug 28, 2006: $2,812 to Lauer Research, Washington, DC for "polling"
Oct 12, 2006: $33,400 to Kansans for Consumer Privacy Protection (Kansas non-profit) for "Member Dues" -- I'm told it's completely legal for a PAC to give to a non-profit, 501c(3) or 501c(4) this way
Oct 13, 2006: $35,000 to Kansans for Consumer Privacy Protection (see comments above) for "Member Dues"
Oct 16, 2006: $39,655 to Stone's Phones for "phone calls"
Oct 17, 2006: $27,300 to Kansans for Consumer Privacy Protection (see comments above) for "Member Dues"
Jan 10, 2007 ProKanDo PAC report
$62,196 raised, $72,704 spent, $3,462 cash on hand
Contributions:
31 Oct 2006: $34,000 from Kansans for Consumer Privacy Protection (Kansas non-profit) to ProKanDo – it's not clear how it's legal for a non-profit to give to a PAC this way, especially given the fundraising letter and the above timing. The exact IRS status of this Kansas non-profit is not yet known, however. If this group is a 501c(3) or a 501c(4) non-profit, it's not clear how they could legally give money to the ProKanDo PAC. The penalty is simply paying taxes on the amounts at the highest possible corporate rate.
Expenditures:
31 Oct 2006: $29,610 to Stone's Phones, Palm Springs, CA (no reason specified)
3 Nov 2006: $7,403 to Stone's Phones, Palm Springs, CA (no reason specified)]
Well, Mr. Kline, as long as we’re posting campaign memos, here’s one of YOUR gems:
TO: Bill Roche, Sylvia Chapman
FROM: Phill Kline
SUBJECT: Church efforts
DATE: 8/08/06
CC: Doug Henkle
Some items that need to be addressed on the church effort. This memo is rather direct as it is early AM – appreciate all that you are doing. Please use this as a check list to improve on our efforts in this area. Getting down to the wire and we must maximize.
The Goal and Objective – numbers. Please try to get me in front of the largest crowds as we move through the remainder of the campaign schedule. Also, please maximize my presence in a community. Where possible, get additional churches involved. Am able to preach at several different churches where service times are different.
1. Maximize attendance at the reception.
a. We must have the invites at the service to be handed out by 3- 5 hosts of the reception.
b. Attempt to get the pastor to mention.
c. Attempt to have reception as close to service time and as close to church as geographically possible. Please do not do 2 pm receptions; unless several churches are involved and this is the only option. If out before 12 noon – make the starting time before that time.
d. Get the pastor to invite 5 “money people” whom he knows can help. As much as possible get the pastor’s commitment to attend and to get these 5 people there.
i. Time should not be from 2-4 p.m. Rather just give a starting time.
ii. Must have copies of Earl Glynn’s report regarding Tiller money.
iii. Material – we are forgetting the materials we need. Must have.
1. Gideon commitment form made out for that event.
2. latest 323 information with the mug shots of our top 5 or so 323′ers. Staff, must, must, must, get everyone’s e-mail who attends. Don’t wait for them to fill something out. Go get their e-mail.
3. Always need palm cards and blueprints.
4. Now, we will have the church video. Please discuss and review. Maybe we want to start the reception by showing the video. The goal should be for folks to be willing to follow up by inviting others to their home to show video and generate support.
5. county chairman must be invited to these receptions. That way we can speak of the county grassroots plan and have folks sign up for scheduled lit drops, etc.
6. Must have invites to future events in the county. For example, this Thursday we should pass out invites to our kick off in Shawnee County.
7. Goal is to walk away with contact information, money and volunteers and a committee in each church.
a. Phillis – have mentioned to Doug – please give recontact all churches and specifically get in touch with key contact there to form a church lay committee for the campaign. Have we done this anywhere? Lay committee’s goal is to:
i. Find yard sign locations.
ii. Encourage people to contribute and volunteer.
iii. Register voters.
iv. Educate voters.
1. Distribute information to their email lists.
2. Push freestatemedia, etc.
iv. Turn out voters.
v. Sign up folks to help with lit drops, etc. Some churches have already volunteered to do this: Light of the World in Topeka, Wannamaker Woods Nazarene Church, Basehor-Linwood Church. Must work these folks into grassroots efforts. Phillis needs this information. Get church committees on an e-mail list that you and Phillis can access.
vi. Work to help the host know how to ask for money and volunteer support. Do not leave it up to me only. They know the hosts – a host, or someone local standing up and stating that they are giving and this is why and offering a challenge is effective. Try to arrange every time and let me know who that person is and how this will take place before the event.
vii. Always give me the names of the sponsors and hosts before the event so that I know who to thank. Also, should have names of any electeds or county chairs, etc. so I can mention.
viii. Get me out. I should not be the last of our campaign to leave an event. Usually we end with a plea for help. Someone from the campaign should stand up and say that they will remain to pick up pledge sheets, etc. someone should be assigned to get me out the door. I am spending too long at these events. Last night went to 9:30. Manhattan went for 2 hours.
ix. Do not schedule me for social lunches. Only working lunches were we can obtain either media, money or crucial support.
x. Work with Bob to try not to leave gaps in the schedule. If there is a gap – get me to a quiet place so I can make phone calls or write; feed me Slimfast. Do not need a sitdown meal. Takes too much time.
xi. If I am not making phone calls and there is a gap; arrange for local grassroots support and lets hit a part of town. I will walk into a restaurant, coffee shop or place where people congregate and work the crowd.
1. Best way to hit a town square. Sundays usually will not work; but Saturdays do. Walk with one other person. Hopefully local. And one staffer. Move me through the businesses. First stop is manager to let them know. Second staff is kitchen. Then the crowd. Others, in groups of 2, hit other businesses passing out information saying: “I am a volunteer for Attorney General Phill Kline’s campaign, here’s a little information about Phill who is in town today and just across the square. We would be honored by your vote for Phill.” And then move on. If someone is enthusiastic – everyone should have an envelope stuffed with a bumper sticker – hand it to them and say – great we need your help. Please fill this out. If comfortable, wait for them to complete or come back to them. Do not linger on negatives. If they offer why – receive it and say “sorry you feel that way.” And move on. We should be able to hit a town square in 30 minutes to an hour. And then move.
2. Local media – Sherriene should be coordinating with Bob to get me with local weeklies. Sitting down for 20 minutes with a local paper can be big dividends. Is Robin done with the 323, 149, Jessica’s law, key issue, media packets?
x. Maximizing exposure at every church.
a. Please try to get literature into every one’s hands. Check and work with pastor to see what is comfortable. In most instances we should be able to place materials under the windshield of cars. An invite and palm card? Can set up volunteers at or near exit of church to give out yard signs. We must heighten our profile as much as reasonably possible.
b. On receptions – please follow up contact with hosts to help them maximize attendance at receptions. One invite and one mention will not draw a crowd. Pastor and hosts must be willing to call their top 5 and get them there.
Target efforts
TBC – I must speak with Pastor. Also, speak with Marvin Spees about getting me before their men’s group.
Pastor Jerry Johnston’s church. Must get on calendar.
KCK – Effort to get in black and Hispanic church in KCK.
Bill has tape of my translated service. Get it copied and get to Spanish radio stations and also copies for distribution by volunteers in Hispanic neighborhoods. The pastor in Wichita will help. Sylvia and Doug have contacts.
Johnson County focus.
Has anyone followed up with our Emporia weekend? Had a lot of volunteers agree to do lit drops, etc. Has this information been given to Phillis?
All churches should be contacted about our Kick-off rallies.
Must rework Joe Wright and Terry Fox. Must get in their pulpit and have them personally host a reception to match Tiller’s blood money. Perhaps we can get Dobson by phone. Joe, Terry and Pat must commit to get 5-10 people there each who can drop $1,000 to $2,000. This will take a lot of work, contact, work and contact. This should be early to mid-September. Get me in their pulpits. Both have retired and they can still get me in.
Should work with Terry and Joe to get Church video to all of their church contacts.
Should prepare guidance sheet for those who are showing the church video. 2-pager that includes: goals for showing the video, IRS rules guidance regarding what they can and cannot do (this should not take long -no use of church assets – can show it at church as long as they do not deny opposition of showing their own video – no need to invite the other, just cannot deny-etc) sign up sheets, how to give money contributions, etc.
Thanks.
So, gentle readers, which memo is more cynical? Julie Burkhart’s action memo sent to pro-choice, pro-woman supporters? Or Phill Kline’s absolute and total campaign to politicize churches?
Remember: Churches, as completely tax exempt organizations, are banned from getting involved in candidate campaigns. If they do, they find themselves under investigation like Wichita’s “Spirit One ‘Christian’ Center.”
Double L phill,
YOU LOST…STAY THE HELL OUT OF WICHITA
WE DON’T WANT YOU
Can’t Philllll Kline just go away? We UNelected him for many good reasons. His time to fade into the sunset is long past and now he is more than annoying in continuing to stir pots that are empty. The chances of him being charged with harassment should be greater than charges being filed against Tiller — he is definitely guiltier!
The ONLY good thing to ever come from him being in the public eye and on the public dole is that many people who didn’t vote realize they must! So, thanks for attention you brought and waking some from their apathy.
OK – let’s try this again. The comment was made that abortion industry money and Tiller money did not play a role in the last election. I responded by providing facts regarding some of the involvement of the ProKanDo PAC that is directly related to Mr. Tiller. In fact, Mr. Tiller reserves the right to provide the name, address, phone number and date of abortion of his patients to the ProKanDo PAC. (So much for private medical records). This is only a small part of the money applied in the last election.
Much of this effort was through “charities” that involve tax deductible contributions.
I did not criticize the involvement nor infer anything wrong with the involvement. I did point out that the Eagle has been critical of such efforts but only of conservative groups; not pro-abortion groups which largely outspent any conservative groups.
Your reference to church organization is not to any degree relevant to the point being discussed.
Name-calling and sleight of hand are usually employed when intellectual rebuttal is not possible.
Abortion industry money was the single largest financial involvement in the last election cycle.
OH AND DOUBLE (LOSER) L PHILL
HOW DID O’REILY GET THE MEDICAL RECORDS? DID THEY MAGICALLY MAIL THEMSELVES FROM YOUR DESK TO HIS?
WE WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
aw thats it…when you can’t answer the questions, you start with semantics…
hey double l loser phill…GO AWAY
aren’t you supposed to be in a church somewhere? it is 10 am on sunday morning. you hypocrite
Mr. Kline,
You and your supporters keep trying to conflate the independent expenditure campaign critical of your record with Paul Morrison’s campaign for Kansas Attorney General. I have yet to see a campaign finance report where ProKanDo contributed to Morrison’s campaign. I have yet to see any campaign literature from PKD in support of Morrison. If it was out there, your friend Earl Glynn would have it posted on a website somewhere.
Everything from ProKanDo that I’ve seen has consisted of direct criticisms of, and attacks on, your record as Kansas Attorney General. Your record, your secret inquisitions into private medical records, and your public statements in the media and in open court, sunk you. What PKD did was make sure the voters knew _exactly_ what kind of Attorney General had been elected in 2002.
Don’t forget: One of the churches you used during the campaign, Spirit One, is now under investigation by the IRS, specifically because of actions they took on your behalf and/or against Morrison during the last cycle.
I don’t know if any of you caught that, but Kline is actually using Meadowlark’s posts.
He also used one of Meadowlark’s ‘research’ in his election campaign referenced in that letter that Tom posted.
Pmom,
Even when someone’s “off-blog” identity is obvious or easily discovered, I try to avoid connecting real name with blog sigs. But yeah, the Earl Glynn that Kline and I are referring to is Kansas Meadowlark.
I wasn’t going to out him, I don’t make a habit of doing such things. Meadowlark is well known to post his own website, so I don’t think it’s that much of a secret. The website that Kline posted is Meadowlarks…he didn’t say him by name.
HOW DID O’REILY GET THE MEDICAL RECORDS? DID THEY MAGICALLY MAIL THEMSELVES FROM YOUR DESK TO HIS?
WE WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
bettin double L will not post again, cause he is a coward who can’t respond to this question
I have a question for Phill. Why did you hire a guy who defends pedophiles to give his opinion on the diagnoses of these women when you claim your initial reason for digging through women’s abortion records was to see if Tiller was reporting them as they should?
Makes me wonder one who says they hate pedophilia so much is in bed with so many who are actually pedophilia supporters.
so many questions…so little answers…
they will stick around as long as they can sound like they are better than the rest…when they start getting real questions…they vanish like crazy…
double l (loser) won’t be back. He doesn’t have his usual supporters to help him out
Howdy Mr. Kline, glad you could drop by. Not of us are of the “spout an insult a second” crowd on the WE Blog. Although, I can handle myself in an etymological sparring match. :)
Thanks for the facts on the campaign contributions to AG Morrison. Most people can smell dirt and see dirt when they see it and Morrison has his fair share of it.
I found it laughable when Julie Burkhart of ProKanDo PAC talked about upholding “reproductive liberties.” What Ms. Burhart does has nothing to do with reproduction nor liberties. Whey don’t they have the political courage to call their organization for what it is? That is, a PAC to keep abortion of any kind in the mix.
Perhaps Dr. Tiller is nervous because he knows that pulling a baby’s body out of the birth canal except for the head, is just a head short of a homicide by law. As he crushes the skull, I wonder how Tiller feels? Does it give him that Nazi Dr. Mengele experience?
As far as Meadowlark is concerned, he is the most cogent writer on this blog. He is a careful researcher that always brings his briefcase with facts.
The Secular Progressives aka Liberal Left Democrats have become vile, profane spin doctors whose only goal is to disrupt and cause movement away from the American society that our forefathers designed.
It is obvious to me that when the comments of a recent Psychiatrist breaks down the medical records of the late term abortion cases, that Dr. Tiller has indeed falsify medical reports and should be prosecuted.
Once again I ask AG Morrison to”audiatur et altera pars” and let’s have the day in Court.
What is AG Morrison afraid of in doing so?
Con, “Falsify” medical records? How? Changing a diagnosis, or writing a diagnosis that doesn’t match would be falsifying medical records. Which he COULD have done, he could have written ’schizophrenia’ into every one of those documents and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. The problem is that he’d have to have evidence supporting those diganoses- of course he could have done that too, but he DIDN’T.
So again, how did Tiller falsify the records? Are you saying those women did not have any of the issues written in there?
Pmom,
Just ignore the troll. Its post is full of falsehoods and red herrings. Arguing with it just gives it the attention it craves.
ohhhhhhhh we got a live one
a true ass kissing double l phill fan..
how does it feel to be a total LOSER????????
secular progressives?
aw we got a real life Bill O’riely fan here..
hows the book readin goin? did ya get a signed copy of culture warrior to get ya all talkin points???
dillweed
Actually lmba, Secular Progressive was not defined by Bill O’Reilly.
It is an old term that identifies Progressives which are more akin to the European ideology of governing.
WE Bloggers might recognize the names of past and present Progressives.
Noam ChomskyThomas Emmett “Tom” HaydenArianna Huffington (born Arianna StassinopoulosDennis John KucinichGeorge Stanley McGovernNorman SolomonPaul David Wellstone
They are all secular as they despise anything of Christian-Judeo values. And all when in doubt of using their brain to express their ideology, will result to insult, civil disobedience and hate campaigns against those who oppose their view.
Now lmba, if you want to identify with a party of hate, be my guest.
repuklican’t
keep on convincing yourself that this party cares one littel spit for you so you can live in your dream world…
psst
they don’t give a shit about you
One of the prosecutors in the Jo Co DA office is speaking out. I heard her last night. She left and is working for Morrison in Topeka now. She said Phill is ruining the DA’s office. She told many horror stories. A murderer was up for parole on Monday and no one from the DA’s office was there to represent the people of Johnson County. The attorney who should have been there was playing golf. She told of another case where the defendant was charged with 5 felonies and had no attorney (she called this a no brainer win) and Kline’s people let him plea down to a misdemeanor and time served. And Kline is calling that a win.
The only case he has won was that murder trial last week where the defendant’s mother testified against him. DUIs are being thrown out because evidence is lost. Criminal defense attorneys are lining up to get easy wins since the prosecutors are so incompetent. 20 of 32 attorneys in the DA’s office have left since January, some fired and some quit.
She said someone needs to file a FOIA and find out how much restitution has been collected and paid since January in Johnson County.
Here’s the best part: Phill is working 6 to 8 hours a week – for $143K a year.
“I take great exception to being said that these conditions are not necessarily permanent.”
Sorry about your loss PM, but it is an empirical fact that by far the most people who have or have had a condition of Major Depression die from something else besides suicide. Maybe in the 1930’s that was not true, but it is today. I think you have my email address and I can provide you with plenty of studies if you so desire.
Despite the ire people have toward SSIs, our treatment of depression is much advanced over what it was just a few years ago.
“Significant financial help was provided through various “charities” and PAC’s. This is done so contributions are not limited and it cannot be easily traced or required to be reported prior to the election.”
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Prove it. I am sorry I don’t think you can, but you are obviously able to post a bunch of nonsense and falsehoods on a blog. Perhaps outlander is impressed. I, decidedly, am not.
Phillip Brownlee: Phill Kline called you out this weekend. Are you gonna respond to him like a man, or hide behind your press credentials?
I bet I know the answer to that one.
Interesting you should say that Steven. I just saw an article that Larned has even MORE violations. I just put this post on another blog.
“Larned is falling apart, the violations there should cause everyone to stop and think about how we’re treating mentally ill in need of psychiatric care.
We don’t have enough group homes or foster homes to adequately care for those who need them.
I was disappointed in Gov. Sebelius’s fix to the starving girls in Wichita….her fix was to create a single place where abused kids in trouble come for assessment.
Ok…but that STILL doesn’t address the problem…that our state SRS is encouraged to leave kids in those situations because we don’t have room or money to take them in.
Ideally we’d have good foster homes just waiting for kids. But that isn’t happening, nobody willing to take in a child despite all those who cry that they support the children. They support children as long as it doesn’t involve their time or money. So we need group homes. We need MORE psychiatric hospitals and and better oversight of psychiatric hospitals.”
My sister was sent to Larned after that whole ordeal. It was HORRIBLE. By the way, she’s fine now, but while she was there she said she saw a psych doc once. ONCE. Do not tell me the system works for the mentally ill, it does NOT.
Outlander, Brownlee NEVER responds to the blog posts. Why would you suddenly expect him to now just because Kline posted here? You actually think Kline made a point?
PMom, Phillllll made a point — he is seriously deluded and possessed of an idea that he can make a difference. In a way he is right. He is making a HUGE difference in opening many eyes to his stupidity and may be one of the best ambassadors to choice we’ve ever had! He’s right up there with the Phelps in proving the point exactly opposite of his goal. He didn’t answer even one of the questions posed to him because he has NO answers, just stupidity.